Struggling Bobcats Fall To Pacers 102-88
by BrandonBecker on Feb 22, 2012 10:46 PM EST
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Coming off one of the worse losses of the season to Indiana, the Bobcats had a chance to exact revenge just days later but came up empty again despite a much better effort this time around. Charlotte got off to a strong start behind good ball movement and overall team defense, but it wouldn't matter as the Bobcats struggled to close out quarters and allowed the Pacers to run them out of their own gym.
At one point the Bobcats held a nine-point edge over the Pacers, but Indiana would cut into the lead and get it down to five after one. Corey Maggette and D.J. Augustin were the early offense for the Bobcats, although the two would struggle shooting the ball the remainder of the game. Augustin hit 3-of-6 from beyond the arc but was ineffective inside it missing 5-of-6 shots. Maggette had a typical performance, as he finished 20 points to lead the team, however, he struggled to shoot the ball (6-15).
The real star of the game was Tyler Hansbrough, who finished with 22 points and pulled nine boards in just 24 minutes of action. His energy and relentlessness in attacking the basket gave the Bobcats fits all night.
After the strong first quarter from the Bobcats they responded with a lackluster effort in the second. Too often did they settle for long jumpers instead of attacking the basket and it allowed the Pacers to gain control. The turning point in the game came after Kemba Walker drilled a 3-pointer and Dahntay Jones responded with one of his own to start a 12-0. Maggette's layup with 1:22 remaining in the first half ended the run and gave us our halftime score of 50-42 with the Pacers on top.
The third quarter started out fast and was easy on the eyes. Charlotte made a concerted effort to push the ball and Bismack Biyombo provided an offensive spark with five points, two of which came on a dunk that brought fans to their feet. But once again the Bobcats went cold as the third quarter closed and the Pacers built a 10-point lead heading into the fourth quarter.
A D.J. White jumper got the Bobcats within eight but that's as close as they would get the rest of the game as the Pacers turned it up a notch in the fourth. There really wasn't much that happened in the fourth quarter that was noteworthy on either side. Indiana kept its foot on the gas and Charlotte failed to get anything significant going.
3 Studs
Tyler Hansbrough--Psycho T put on a show for the Charlotte crowd. It was a vintage performance from him that was reminiscent of his days with North Carolina. Hansbrough isn't the most talented player in the NBA, but he has made a living off of hard work just like he did in college.
Bismack Biyombo--The energizer for the Bobcats had another solid game that flashed off his potential. Biyombo finished with nine points, 10 boards and six blocks. I'm continually impressed at the improvement he makes each game and I think it's safe to say the Bobcats found themselves a steal. He'll never be a dynamic scorer, but he will be a force on the defensive end and will develop into a strong finisher at the rim.
Boris Diaw--The enigmatic power forward only scored four points but grabbed 11 rebounds and dished out eight assists. Diaw made some tremendous passes throughout the night and he gave a spirited effort, something that isn't always there with him. Now only if he would be more aggressive on the offensive end...
3 Duds
Danny Granger--Granger is supposed to be the Pacers' best scoring threat, yet he didn't have his best stuff against the Bobcats. He missed 9-of-11 shots and didn't make much of an impact on the game.
Tyrus Thomas--Are you kidding me?!?! How has Thomas regressed this much after being a huge part of this team the past season and a half. Somebody needs to buy the kid a steak dinner and show him where the weight room is. In just 15 minutes of action he shot the ball eight times and hit just two of his attempts. The troubling part is the continued trend of settling for jumpers, although it didn't help that when he took the ball to the rack he got stuffed a couple of times.
Reggie Williams--It just wasn't a good game for Williams. He wasn't noticeable when he was on the court and this team desperately needs his scoring ability. If he doesn't reach double figures on a nightly basis it's going to be hard for the Bobcats to compete.
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Hansbrough
As much as I loathe him, he’s better than most of our team :-(
by chris in union county on Feb 22, 2012 10:56 PM EST reply actions
There's no player I hate more than Hansborough
DJ White gets an F from me tonight. Most of Hansborough’s points came against him. He was a nightmare on offense and didn’t box out well. Just a poor night for him.
Dubz seems off...and it all started when he knocked knees with someone.
Does anyone know what is going on with him? I personally believe they need to pull him to the side and tell him that they plan to amnesty Thomas, and White will have a chance to stay with this team…
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by andrewlail76 on Feb 23, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Didnt see the game
(havent watched most of them lately). Is Reggie Williams struggling at the SG position? Is he not shooting the ball? Are the shots not falling? Or is Maggs dominating the ball?
Whatever the case, I see the vision. Looks like Corey Maggette will be good enough to ship off at the deadline. He is balling lately.
Corey Maggette isn't an expiring
so he’s not going to net us as much as you think he will. Not to mention, this team needs some veteran leadership. The team is considerably worse when he and DJ aren’t on the floor.
Maybe some contender could use his services, but it certainly won’t be a loss if he remains a Bobcat.
you dont have to be an expiring to be traded
and I actually THINK just being able to get him off the books (the chance to sign Gordon and maybe Hibbert) is more than enough. And even with Maggs around and dropping 20ppg, we are still getting destroyed. If we can get him out of here, we gotta do it.
Agreed.
Even if we can only get an expiring contract for him, it’s worth looking into. Same with Tyrus.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 23, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
we'll need to give up a pick to get rid of tyrus
and i’m ok with that
maggette’s contract doesn’t really affect what we do in the coming free agency because there’s only three players who will demand huge contracts
i’m not saying we don’t move him, i’m just saying it’s not a necessity and it doesn’t affect us too much either way; tyrus should be our priority, then DJ if we are in fact going to move him
Absolutely.
Maggette should be the last asset for us to worry about at this stage. Diaw, Diop, Carrol, Najera, and Tyrus all take priority over him right now. At least Maggette has the potential to earn some of his money. Those other guys aren’t worth a tenth of their salaries.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 23, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't give up a pick to get rid of Tyrus
Can you imagine how bad we would be mocked if we have to give away 2 first rounders: 1 to get Tyrus and 1 to get rid of him. I think this team is past the days of giving away draft picks. If we are that desperate, just amnesty him.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Feb 23, 2012 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
lol @ Tyrus
I’d be really impressed with Cho if he can somehow get rid of Tyrus w/o getting us stuck with some terrible (Heywood/Brand) type of contract.
Tyrus + future first rounder for an expiring
is a fair deal, but it just matters whether we’re willing to give up that first rounder
Tyrus is an amnesty candidate...
His valus is as low as Diop’s
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by andrewlail76 on Feb 23, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
No way.
People still believe in his “potential,” whereas Diop has none.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 23, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
Lol.
Who still believes in Tyrus?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 23, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
I do, kind of.
Honestly, I don’t expect much, but I’m not willing to give up yet.
If you disagree with my opinion, I will take it personally.
by Panthers FTW on Feb 24, 2012 8:58 AM EST up reply actions
That's not true
He has the potential of injuring a ball boy with every free throw he shoots.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Feb 23, 2012 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
Find the believers and they can pay that contract
Tyrus’s time is done in CLT
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by andrewlail76 on Feb 23, 2012 10:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Definiately not one of our first rounders.
It would have to one acquired from another team. The pick we obtained from Portland would be good. I’d rather hold on to that at this point though. That could end up being a lottery pick. I think it’s only top 8 protected.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 23, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
we have a top 8 and a top 12 protected pick next year
You can see all of our future draft picks right here.
the bulls get our 2013 pick
if we’re outside the top 12
if the blazers finish outside the top 8, we get their pick
if the blazers finish outside the top 12, we get their top 8 pick, but the bulls get the other pick
The most likely scenario is that we’ll finish somewhere in the lottery and the Blazers won’t meaning in 2013 both us and the bulls will have 2 picks.
I think all that’s right anyway
Definately won't be easy.
Maybe someone would take him off of our hands if we threw in a 2nd rounder or DJ or something.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 23, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
what if
we trade Kemba and Boris for New Orleans first round pick
then turn around and trade tyrus + the pick that we traded to chicago to get tyrus to atlanta for kirk heinrich – Atlanta would be the only team that wouldn’t draft Anthony Davis since they’d be set at FC with Smith, Horford, Diaw and Johnson
so we increase our chances of getting anthony davis (either we win the lottery or we get second and atlanta wins, who probably wouldn’t pick him), we get rid of tyrus, AND we secure 2 2013 first round picks as long as the Blazers make the playoffs
We were offered Blatche.
He’s better, younger, and cheaper.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 23, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure they offered Blatche for Boris, and then we offered TT for Blatche, and the Wiz balked.
It was a lose-lose deal in which the Bobcats would probably come out slightly ahead.
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by Panthers FTW on Feb 23, 2012 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
Close.
We turned down Diaw, asked for Blatche and more. They countered Blatche straight up, and we wouldn’t take it.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 24, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Dont tell me our Organization is that stupid
Link?
And if it did happen like this, then we better be amnesty-ing TT.
This is what Marc Stein reported on ESPN.com:
“Sources close to the situation say that the Wizards had been trying to engage Charlotte on a Blatche-for-Tyrus Thomas swap.
The Wizards would naturally prefer Boris Diaw and his expiring contract — with the bonus of knowing that Diaw’s passing eye could only give the wild Wiz a much-needed boost to their basketball IQ — but the ever-thrifty Bobcats aren’t about to take on the remaining three years (worth nearly $23 million) on Blatche’s contract if Thomas’ similarly hefty deal isn’t headed the other way."
I can’t turn up Michael’s version of events on Google.
by Handles Messiah on Feb 24, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
When combined with this Bonnell tweet:
they turned down Blatche weeks ago. Doubt that changes, but this defines a time to listen, I guess.
from 3/12, that pretty much explains the story. Like I said, their initial offer was Blatche for Diaw (as noted by Stein), we said no, they offered Blatche, we said we needed more.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 24, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
I’d interpret that tweet as Bonnell saying that they’d already turned down a deal for Blatche, indicating they weren’t too interested in him.
Either way, I think that the details are vague enough that it’d be difficult to say anything concrete about what deals were proposed.
by Handles Messiah on Feb 24, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
Tyrus is bad and has a horrible contract, but he isn’t really hurting anything right now. The team doesn’t seem likely to make a big free-agency splash in the next year or so, so the amount of the cap he’s taking up isn’t preventing a move. For a team that just needs good, cheap, valuable assets, I’d hate to give up any picks just to dump him.
Best-case scenario, he plays himself back into form and he’s productive through the life of his contract (seeming more and more unlikely).
Middle-case scenario, he becomes decent enough that a team is willing to trade for him a year or two down the line when his contract is less disgusting-looking.
Worst-case scenario, after the 2012-2013 season when Maggette, Diop and Carroll come off the books, he could be amnestied. 16M would be a lot for Jordan to swallow, but if they were on the cusp of signing a big name (or several key role players), it would probably be worth it.
by Handles Messiah on Feb 23, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
what is this "back into form" that you speak of?
Tyrus has never been good. I’d even move him for a more even contract like Charlie V or Richard Jefferson. Yep, I said it. Richard Jefferson. Tyrus is horrible. But he’s always been to me. And about FA, I think we will make a little noise this go around. Even if we dont get who we want, look for us to have our hands in the pot and placing a couple of serious bids. Tyrus is holding us back from that. I thought we have to use the amnesty clause by the start of next season or it no longer works.
"Form"
He put up a 17 points and 10 rebounds per 36 last year while giving good, if inconsistent, defense and shotblocking. If he provided that kind of production, even in a bench role, he’d be worth having around.
The team isn’t going to attract a star with their current team, and there’s only a few mid-level guys worth seriously chasing this year. They’ll have enough room to make a signing or two, but it depends on what you define as “noise”.
A team can use the provision in any off-season, subject to two restrictions: the player must have been signed before July 1, 2011, and he must have been on the team’s roster as of the signing of the new CBA. They could theoretically wait until Tyrus’ last year before using it, as long as they didn’t blow it on someone else.
by Handles Messiah on Feb 23, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Well I really dont like using the per 36
that much. I’d rather look at the play. And it wasnt many games to judge by before he got injured last season. Since his short lived returned last season and his play now, I still cant see this greatness that is supposed to show thru. I wouldnt be upset with whatever we did with Tyrus. Even if its an even deal. I think Charlie V is the perfect trade partner. I think he can return to form
This.
He was an 8-5 player in 20 MPG over four years for Chicago, he’s been a 9-6 player in 22 MPG over three years here. At his best, he’s a middling bench player with maturity and attitude issues.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 23, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
Yes. He’s a bad player that played well enough last year to earn an ill-advised and incredibly long contract.
That doesn’t mean they should give up their most valuable asset, draft picks, in order to get rid of him. Just bench him until they can get rid of him without giving up much or can cut him when it’s advantageous to do so.
by Handles Messiah on Feb 23, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
Well put HM
I like the breakdown. And I couldn’t agree more on just wiping him off the books (via the amnesty) with Diop, Maggette, and Carroll in 2013. I wouldn’t do anything crazy or desperate just to get rid of him.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Feb 23, 2012 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
Being at this game was pretty sad...
You walked away thinking they didn’t play all that poorly (particularly early) and Indiana didn’t play all that well, but they still lost by 15. Regardless of his numbers, BIyombo was consistently dominated on the defensive boards, particularly by Hibbert, whose foul trouble (and the way Indy had the game in hand) kept his overall numbers down. Louis Amundsen was also better than he had any right to be. Finally, the offense stagnated when Walker replaced Augustin for the first time, and there went the lead we had built up with the starting unit.
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Biyombo wasn't dominated on the defensive boards
Hibbert got 3 offensive boards, two of which were on his own putbacks. Hansbrough and Amundson got 7 of their 12 offensive boards when Biz wasn’t even on the floor and we were playing Diaw, Tyrus and White. What Bismack needs to do better is finish with two hands. He was consistently the first to touch the ball, but didn’t secure it.
Not to mention, Bismack got 5 offensive boards of his own.
also, i totally love how you only mentioned kemba and biz's shortcomings
or at least what you consider shortcomings
wanna talk about the rest of the team? yeah, kemba was terrible, but the Charlotte Bobcats are more than just two rookies
But they're the only two who are consistently pegged as part of our future.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 23, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
that's fair
but you have to admit, biz has come a long way from the start of the season
and it’s not like other rookies didn’t struggle early, either… clearly the lack of off-season affected players, rookie players particularly, more than i think either of us considered
Michael "admitting" anything?
Lmao. That’ll be the day………….
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 23, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
That's like saying the Special Olympics athlete rose from 6th to 4th in the race.
The bar wasn’t exactly set very high.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 23, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
Then state the positives too
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by andrewlail76 on Feb 23, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry, but I didn't see a lot in a 15-point loss.
Biyombo played fine on defense, but not well enough to help the team win, and Walker’s presence on the court tanked our offense.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 23, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
Not his fault that team didn't win. Dwight Howard wouldn't make the playoffs with this team.
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Well dur he was being dominated on the defensive boards,
Biyombo is not a center! He plays out of position and gives up height and strength! Not to mention HE’S A ROOKIE! And notice how he says “regardless of his numbers”. LOL. Find something to nitpick about why don’t you?
And I thought with the mighty Augustink returning, they would have a turnaround? How about Silas still starting this loser and playing Kemba out of position again at the two spot!
Man, he has got to be the worst coach this team has ever had. Even Scam Vincent wasn’t this bad.
Walker had nothing to do with the lead being blown. Why don’t you blame people who really share in this debacle, such as the pitiful frontcourt that can’t rebound, play defense, or set screens and roll properly. Or how about a worthless coaching staff that doesn’t adjust, plays people out of position, and teaches these young guys NOTHING.
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he's playing kemba out of position
because kemba hasn’t shown he’s smart enough to actually play point guard
but yeah, that’s on silas right? he’s the one hindering kemba’s development… he’s should simplify the plays, right, so kemba can keep up…
Walker had everything to do with the lead being blown… since the offense did nothing while he was on the court, especially while he was at the point. This was despite playing alongside both Maggette and Diaw a considerable amount of time.
by adamcawa on Feb 23, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 23, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
I wasn’t able to catch the game last night, so I can’t really comment on it. But Biyombo’s dimensions and strength make him more suited to the center position than PF, at this point.
Hibbert has a 7’4" wingspan; Biyombo’s is 7’7". He’s consistently able to contest shots like a five, despite being an inch or two shorter than average. He’s also not great at defending players with mid-range shots at this point, which is quite a few PFs in the modern NBA.
Our other options at center are Byron Mullens and Boris Diaw – do you really think that Biyombo is weaker than the two of those guys?
The team is still bad with Augustin, without a doubt, but Kemba is getting 20-30 minutes a night as the third guard off of the bench. He seems to play about as well in either spot, offensively, since even when he’s the nominal two-guard he’s still initiating the offense and running plays half of the time.
And DJ is in no way impacting his development, either, since starting Kemba would only give him a marginal increase in PT. As a sixth man, he’s also able to get into a rhythm against the second unit, which should theoretically be easier for him (it hasn’t been so far).
I don’t know whether Augustin or Kemba will be the better player in the long-term, but the team is dogshit right now and needs anyone who resembles an NBA player. Getting rid of Augustin would leave us with Higgins (or whatever other PG we could scrounge up through free agency to by trading one of our many, clearly desirable, players). Banishing him to the bench will make it harder to retain him for the future, even if his long-term role isn’t as a starter.
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by Handles Messiah on Feb 23, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Im just saying that
George Hill, Dragic, Foye, Armon Johnson, John Lucas, Delonte West and Ronnie Price will all be unrestricted FA PGs that we should be taking a look at to split time with Kemba. Me personally would prefer a PG that is big enough to play the SG also (Roddy B anyone). Which all of those listed above can do. So if we go small, we arent taking a hit defensively in the backcourt. Also, i wouldnt mind having Ridnour for the duration of his contract.
if we let DJ go we definately need to get a tall defensive minded pg to replace him
but, whoever it may be, i hope that we get someone who has experience starting on a regular basis
also, no on ronnie price… i hated him with the jazz and i hate his game now… he’s too weak to fight through screens and drive the lane and too undersized to guard the 2 spot
dragic and hill i like, but i really want a consistent starter while kemba comes off the bench
Dragic, Delonte and Hill
all fit the criteria. They are also better generals at this time than Kemba. So in two pg sets, Kemba could do better as an off guard. Dragic and Hill will come in the 3 or 5 mil range and will embrace the opportunity and PT they would get here. But Im also keeping my eye on Santoransky (sp?) in the draft.
please no to delonte
tired of having head cases no one else wants
He's actually
been pretty quiet this season and his numbers are very good esp considering how many pg’s Dallas has.
and Dallas
has a bunch of veterans to keep him in line… we have nothing
i dont think thats the case
I just think he matured during his time with the Celtics. Its not about “keeping” a player in line. He’s human like us. Sometimes you just have to be shown the right way by the right ppl ONCE and you get in line.
Dragic actually has pretty comparable assist numbers to Kemba right now. Hill is not a good passer.
by Handles Messiah on Feb 23, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Hill doesnt get alot of ASSISTS
but he is a very good court general. His height allows him to see the defenses well and he has great handles. He can also create his own shot, which is always good
I like Hill; he’s an efficient scorer and a pretty well-rounded player. I’d be very happy if the Bobcats got him to a reasonable deal. But if cutting DJ loose is the goal, there wouldn’t be many good passers in the guard rotation.
He’s also probably going to get a contract comparable to Augustin.
by Handles Messiah on Feb 23, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
This I sorta agree with
but Hill didnt show up like we expected. (i actually thought he was gonna start). So he may have to wait one more contract before his payday. Being that the PG position is thin in the draft and alot of PGs are expiring, I think DJ will be among the top of the totem pole as far as PGs at about 5 or 6. We shouldnt pay that. We need a bigger guard. And 6mil for a bench pg aint really how to rebuild
We had just such a guy on the roster at a low price.
His name was Shaun Livingston.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 23, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
I miss Shaun. :(
I’m actually glad he made it off the squad. The Bucks are bad, but at least they had a chance of squeaking into the playoffs. He wasn’t going to be much of a help to us, either, during these dark days.
It was also the right move to make. A starter on a rookie contract (if that’s what Biyombo becomes) is infinitely more valuable than a good veteran back-up.
by Handles Messiah on Feb 23, 2012 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
I always felt his value was underrated.
His length at the position provided a nice change of pace to the squad.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 23, 2012 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
He was much better as a scorer than I'd imagined he would be.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 24, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
The only true weakness I could point out here was his game from the outside. And even with that, he recognized his flaws and didn’t take many attempts. Very efficient player.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 24, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
he was my favorite Bobcat last year
I miss his Penny Hardaway back to the basket game
speaking of Penny
my favorite player of all time is playing in the ESPN All-Star Celebrity game
awesome!
+1
He was deadly with that.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 25, 2012 2:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
DJ is better than all of those guys, though. If they can sign him to a reasonably priced three-year contract, that gives Kemba some more time to develop into a more productive starter and Augustin can be shifted to the bench without a problem.
If Kemba winds up as a combo guard that provides scoring off the bench, a la Ben Gordon, then they have a league average PG. I just don’t think cutting talent for the sake of it is the right way to go at this point.
by Handles Messiah on Feb 23, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
DJ is a restricted FA
who is probably going to get somewhere in the 4-6 million range per season
we can match his production for cheaper
if we can get him for 4 or less, though, no reason we shouldn’t keep him
We’ll just have to disagree, I guess. I’m looking over ESPN’s free agent list for next year and not seeing many candidates that could do that could:
A. Give similar production
B. Would be cheaper
C. Would be willing to come here
D. Aren’t incredibly old
by Handles Messiah on Feb 23, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Dragic. A walking triple double. Delonte is playing well. I dont see how they dont fit the criteria. If you look at their numbers, they arent terribly off. And they are sharing minutes with in their case 2 OTHER PGs. I dont think our backup has to match number for number with what DJ gives us. We just need an above avg passer who can direct traffic/make plays and can shoot when called upon.
Lmao. I don't know what to make of that comment either.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 23, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
His 1 career triple double and 8 double doubles would certainly say so...
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Lol. He is a triple double machine.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 23, 2012 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
He averages a shade under two rebounds a game, though. He’s as much of a walking triple-double as Kemba is.
by Handles Messiah on Feb 23, 2012 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
Or Chris Duhon.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 24, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
This is Dragic’s best year in terms of assist percentage, at 27%. DJ is a better distributor at 35% this year, and also turns over the ball less frequently.
I like Dragic fine as a bench player, and he could definitely grow, but it doesn’t seem like he’d be cheaper by a significant enough amount to roll the dice on.
It’s also going to be extremely difficult to attract free agents this year, considering how bad the team is. Shutting the door on DJ and hoping Dragic agrees, with Player X as a back-up, could be a risky move.
by Handles Messiah on Feb 23, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
DJ's not coming back
unless we overpay. And its kinda senseless at this point to keep DJ and Kemba. One has to go. Its redundant kinda. We know we need a bigger guard and we need more of a general on the floor in backup minutes. We dont need our big guard as the 3rd pg. Our big pg needs to be a capable player. Dragic isnt the type of player YET that we say “its gonna be hard to attract”…he may get a couple of offers true but he’s probably not gonna start anywhere he goes (unless its Dallas). So he’ll probably come where he can shine and get minutes (Here). Im not a % head. But I am impressed by his 8pts 3.5assts in under 20min. That is impressive
If DJ was playing the same minutes as Dragic, he’d be scoring 8 points and handing out four assists. Houston also plays at a faster pace than the Bobcats, so DJ does it in fewer possessions.
by Handles Messiah on Feb 23, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
DJ is not coming back..I repeat
unless we overpay for him. When Kemba was drafted, it kinda sealed the deal for DJ. Chances are he’ll sign with a contender. He’s a starter in this league. Kemba is now our pg of the future (Im by no means saying Kemba is better than DJ) But its the same case as having Dorell Wright and Reggie Williams on the same team. Both are starting material (Im giving Reg the benefit of the doubt) so you have to let one go.
He’s a restricted free agent – they can keep him if they want him.
by Handles Messiah on Feb 23, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I say rescind the offer.
To be honest. If we are rebuilding, we need to stand firm on what we are trying to do. Let’s not start stradling the fense. If Kemba is the future, let him be. If he’s not, then I understand. But I dont see them “competing” for another year. Its a waste
So what you’re saying is that Augustin is:
A. A starter.
B. Is a player that a contender would want in their line-up.
C. Not worth keeping around in Charlotte because Kemba could, one day, take his starting job.
D. Will lose the trade value he has now, making it a smart play to instead let him walk away from the team for nothing.
I don’t love Augustin. He has definite flaws. But I don’t see the percentages in dumping Augustin for jack because it would give Kemba an additional 5-10 minutes a game.
If they tender him and someone comes in with a four-year, 36M contract offer (or something similarly ridiculous), then they should let him go. But a one-year qualifying offer or a good short-term deal keeps him around in case Kemba is a bust or they want to deal him later.
by Handles Messiah on Feb 23, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
THIS^^^^^^^
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 23, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
Next season
will not be a shortened season. There wont be nearly as many one year deals done. And Augustin is not coming back for a one year deal. Nor is he coming back to be our crutch if Kemba falls. He is starter worthy.
Augustin doesn't have a choice
but to come back for a one year deal unless another team outbids us. I’m not exactly sure what you’re missing here, but D.J. will have the power to dictate where he plays at the conclusion of the season next year, not this year.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 23, 2012 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
we can match any offer coming DJ's way
DJ will be coming back to us whether he likes it or not if that’s what we choose
Exactly.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 24, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
So what
we are gonna force the guy back? When there are so many PG’s that will be cheaper and can be complimentary players to Kemba?
Hope our FO isnt that stupid.
Who will be a cheaper, better option than Augustin?
You’ve yet to produce one.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 24, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
Dragic,
the walking triple double.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 24, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
What exactly would
we be forcing D.J. to do? Do you know how RFA works? This happens with pretty much every player in the league that looks like they are worth keeping. Same thing happened with us and Anderson Varajeo at one point a few years ago. He came to us, we gave him an offer sheet, Cleveland matched it, and that’s the contract and team he’s been playing with since. Where is this perception coming from that D.J. is so unhappy?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 24, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, we weren't even really interested in Varejao.
We got him signed to that sheet as a favor to the Cavs’ front office. If you don’t remember, I’ll dig up the link.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 24, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
You could if you like,
but I’m not sure how any of that is relevant at all.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 24, 2012 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
Because your statement was wrong in its principle.
He wanted to be able to hit true UFA, and it was only the good will of the Bobcats that prevented it from happening.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2012 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
Nothing is wrong in principle.
That’s how the NBA works. The situation is same for any other player in the league who has had an offer sheet matched. I’m sure you can say every player wants to be an UFA so they can decide their own destiny, but when has a player complained about having their offer sheet matched? I mean, ever?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 25, 2012 2:10 AM EST up reply actions
From recent history...
Marcin Gortat was “very disappointed” the Magic matched the offer sheet the Mavericks gave him. Said his agent,
"His reaction naturally was that he was disappointed, because clearly he signed the offer sheet with Dallas with the intent of going to Dallas, which for him represented a tremendous opportunity to potentially start with an excellent team. He’s a competitor, but he’s also realistic enough to know that the chances that he will start ahead of Dwight Howard are extremely, extremely low. He saw that Dallas made a tremendous commitment money-wise but also basketball-wise to making him a starter for their team for the next five years. He had been very excited about signing the offer sheet, and he was he understandably very disappointed today when I called him and told him they decided to match. If you’re a competitor, you’d like to get a chance to measure yourself as an equal to other players, and he felt confident that given the opportunity he could prove himself to be a legitimate NBA starting center."
That “ever” enough for you?
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Ahem.....
Disappointed: thwarted in hope, desire, or expectation.
Complain: to express feelings of pain, dissatisfaction, or resentment.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 25, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
A public statement from your agent against the decision strikes me as a complaint.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
Of course it does.
And Okafor strikes you as a player worth building around as well. So, that tells me enough.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 25, 2012 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
He never averaged as low as 4-5-2.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2012 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
He also never came off the bench.
He also went to UCONN and was the #2 pick in the draft.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 26, 2012 11:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree.
He has certainly proven himself as a building block more than Biyombo has.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 27, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
+1
The only way we overpay him is if someone goes after him and offers him more money. With so many PGs being available in free agency this year, plus a new draft class of PG’s coming in, I can’t see any team really “chasing” D.J.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 23, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
I agree.
They’ll still be on rookie scale contracts though which inflates their value when the other options are overpaying for undersized PGs through the RFA process.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 23, 2012 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously.
Marshall is one of the top options, and he’ll struggle to be a 10 PPG scorer in the NBA.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 24, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
That sounds like his ceiling.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 24, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
i'm thinking doron lamb of kentucky
will turn out to be the best PG at the NBA level
even better than his teammate, Marquis Teague, brother of current NBA point guard, Jeff Teague
He'd do well to end up with a Brevin Knight-esque career...
But even Knight was a 16 PPG player by the time he left college.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 24, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
Based on?
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 23, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
is it overpaying
if someone else is willing to pay him the same amount?
we can match whatever offer anyone makes, and if it’s higher than we anticipate, that just means he was worth more to some team than we thought
yes
being that all teams have different amounts of capspace, paying 8mil for 5yrs for Thornton doesnt hurt the SAC Kings as much as it wouldve hurt us. So yes. We shouldnt spend too much for Augustin. It makes no sense. Why re sign him when we would still have a hole at PG? Its no reason to re sign him.
why
would we have a hole at PG if we resign him? he would be our starting point guard going forward
he’s in no danger of losing his job to Kemba Walker
DJ isn’t the proper point guard to play alongside Kemba Walker but that doesn’t mean he’s not the best option we could use at point guard. If we resign DJ for more than two years, I assume it means we’ve given up on Kemba ever being a starting point guard for the Bobcats.
I wouldnt say that
Just because we resign Augustin doesnt mean the team has given up on Kemba. Augustin is averaging 13 points and 6 assists this year those arent exactly great starting numbers. Depending on how much we pay him DJ has not done enough to assure a starting role on this team if Kemba improves, which I think it is obvious he will improve from reading your comments I can tell we disagree on how much he will improve. But this season they had no offseason and they are rookies it is pretty much a guarantee Kemba will improve and I think that this team will start whoever is the best PG.
Huh?
How can you make that statement? He’s an RFA.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 23, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
+1
I don’t know how that myth ever came about anyway. We have all the leverage in the world on D.J. right now.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 23, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
But just bc we have leverage
doesnt mean we have to flex it. I dont see the point in keeping DJ. If we do decide to keep DJ, then what is the point of keeping Kemba. Both are smaller and defensive liabilities. So again, I feel its redundant to have them both. We can use that money to advance our team and fill some holes. Just bc we can match any offer, doesnt mean that we have to
You're right.
But when you’re talking about D.J., stick to pointing out that it makes more sense to move him because he and Kemba aren’t a good fit together rather than saying things that leads others to believe that D.J. won’t return under his own merit. He really has no power at this stage.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 23, 2012 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
Walker can still be a bench option.
But all of this discussion validates the fact that Walker (or any other player like Walker) was the wrong pick for this team.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 24, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Who would have been your preferred pick? If we’re ignoring the player’s actual production, I don’t think grabbing a pure scoring guard was a bad idea. They’d already addressed the big-man rotation and defense with the Biyombo pick.
There are other guys who might end up being better than Walker, but it’s also pretty clear this team needs a guy who can create on offense. The other options selected around there in the draft, Jimmer and Klay, are more spot-up shooters.
I don’t post here that often, so sorry if you’ve discussed this elsewhere.
by Handles Messiah on Feb 24, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
It's been discussed countless times.
The ceiling given to Walker from a lot of people on here has been Ben Gordon. I’m not exactly sure how that makes him the “wrong” pick. Gordon averaged over 20 ppg a season at one point and was what, like the number 3 pick of his draft class? I think assuming that every draft pick taken has to fit into a certain role in the starting lineup is short sighted. Walker has proven to be a player able to score, rebound, and even pass the ball a little. A triple double already in his career and he’s the wrong pick? I don’t get it. Either way, I’m happy with what Walker brings to the table as far as being able to create his own shot and cause defenders to collapse in the lane. I’m with Michael as far as thinking that Walker will never develop into an ideal PG, but where we disagree on is whether he really needs to or not.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 24, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
But Gordon made sense for the team he was drafted by.
They had a pair of guards in Kirk Hinrich and Jamal Crawford who had the size to overcome playing next to Gordon. We had DJ Augustin and…uhh…right.
And Chris Duhon had a triple-double once. Does that validate him as a great NBA player?
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 24, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
But why sit here and
act like anyone on the team has proven worthy of being looked at as a sure building block. Saying it “makes sense for the team he was drafted by” really doesn’t fit for our situation because we don’t know exactly what kind of team we’re trying to build. At the most, we have 7 players who could probably be looked at as players to carry into the future. That’s not even half of the team. We’re in full transition mode. Kemba fits here simply because he’s a talented player.
And just like it’s easy for you to compare Walker to Duhon because they both have 1 triple double in their career, I can easily talk about how many players have never accomplished such a feat as well. That argument takes us nowhere. Me mentioning that has to do with the fact that I, ME, CB, have been very pleased/surprised with Walker’s rebounding and am not as down as his distributing skills as I was earlier in the year.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 24, 2012 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, I've discussed it over and over.
Walker’s ability to “create on offense” is negated by his inaccuracy shooting, his sub-par size, and his unwillingness (inability?) to get his teammates involved on a regular basis.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 24, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry, I didn’t know that I had walked into a turf war.
Walker wasn’t a great shooter in college (and obviously isn’t a good shooter now) but that isn’t the only way he got his points; a lot of his value came from the way he was able to initiate contact and get to the line. His speed and size are a pretty big reason why he was able to do that.
I actually agree with you that Kawhi was probably the better pick. He’s the guy I wanted. But a guy with Kemba’s skillset doesn’t seem like it would be a waste on this team, if he pans out.
by Handles Messiah on Feb 24, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
Leonard and Brooks
were the players I wanted most.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 24, 2012 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
Which is in turn negated
by the fact that Walker still manages to put up points. At the end of the day, even you yourself know Walker is capable of contributing and is probably our best offensive weapon already. I’m not sure what else to tell you in those regards.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 24, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know that I’d go that far. Kemba may have been our best scorer for stretches this season, but that’s not saying a lot.
He’s capable of putting up points, but he’s done it in a really inefficient way so far. 37% from the floor and 34% from behind the line are bad no matter how you slice it. There have been some encouraging things, but he’s struggling to drive to the basket right now. That might come with more experience (or possibly better schemes from Silas).
He’s shown some encouraging things, though: he’s kept his turnovers way down, which is pretty rare in a rookie; he seems to be able to create space (though he’ll need to shoot better to take advantage of it); and, even though this is kind of falls into “intangibles” talk, he does seem to have good instincts. He’s got quick hands and a nose for the ball, like you pointed out.
His mediocre assist numbers don’t really bother me, since that’s not his ideal role and I don’t think ever was. But he’s definitely going to have to either improve his jumper, start driving a hell of a lot more or start taking smarter shots.
by Handles Messiah on Feb 24, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
His percentages have been worrisome,
but other than Henderson, Augustin, Maggette, and Williams, who have all been out for extended time this year, I’m having trouble calling anyone other than Kemba our best offensive weapon at this point.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 24, 2012 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
And Andris Biedrins is the best defensive player on the Warriors.
Who cares?
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 24, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
And Dwight Howard is the best defensive option
on Orlando. And Chandler is the best on the Knicks. And Garnett is the best on the Celtics. Blah blah blah. Where were we going with this again?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 24, 2012 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
You're calling out the gold medalist of the Special Olympics as some kind of champion.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2012 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
Just because the Bobcats
are bad, that’s not an indication AT ALL of Kemba not being able to do that anywhere else in the league. Kemba is better than A LOT of players offensively in the NBA. Charlotte isn’t off in it’s own world Michael.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 25, 2012 2:12 AM EST up reply actions
Nah man
If the team is bad, every single player is bad, regardless of individual performance. It makes perfect sense.
Totally.
Thats why Cam Newton still sucks. Right Mike?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 25, 2012 3:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
His play was frankly pretty bad on a regular basis.
That was more the problem there.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
Not even close to what I said.
I said that the statement that a player is the best at something on a bad thing is meaningless.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
It is in and of itself.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
Sure it's not.
But he’s not very good. His offensive efficiency numbers reflect that.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
Rec'd.
I’m on board with this complete analysis outside of worrying about his distribution. He can’t be a lead guard if he can’t (or won’t) involve his teammates.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 24, 2012 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
I guess I should have qualified that I don’t think he’s a lead guard. But picking up a good scoring sixth man in what is looking like a very weak draft is still a net positive. He just needs to get better at the actual scoring part.
by Handles Messiah on Feb 24, 2012 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
this is pretty much the perfect assessment of kemba walker
in my eyes, he’s a 6th man at best, but that’s not necessarily a horrible thing – he’s exciting to watch, at least
last year’s draft wasn’t exactly brimming with superstar talent, sure we could’ve gotten a better player, but i think part of the reason he was drafted was because of the hype around him coming off a national championship and winning multiple awards
it was a move to get the fan base somewhat excited as the most recognizable name in the draft
i took issue with what people were saying about kemba
not kemba himself
Yes, that hype has been HUGE!
All 6,000 people watching the Pacers game with me on Wednesday night agreed.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2012 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
this statement was totally unneccessary
nothing about what i said indicated that whatever hype surrounding kemba would last through the season, unless he actually lived up to that hype
So you're acknowledging that such a decision was pointless and had no merit?
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
what do you think?
i’m the one guy on these forums who hated the kemba pick as much as you
At a VERY inefficient rate.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 24, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
Points are points.
I don’t care if everyone on the team is shooting good if we’re still getting blown out (which I actually seen happen one night this year). Kemba is taking shots away from anyone who deserves them.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 24, 2012 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
Isn't*
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 24, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe so,
but way too much emphasis is being put on Kemba’s efficiency when efficiency isn’t always the name of the game. Iverson, Ellis, hell, most of the best “scorers” in the NBA have actually been inefficient shooters WITH talent around them. Kemba is a rookie, inefficient shooter, with damn near no one else on the team that can create their own shots. I’m speaking as a basketball player here, so it may be hard for some to understand, but Kemba is our best pure offensive weapon no matter what his shooting percentages are. I can tell that from simply watching the games.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 24, 2012 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
iverson shot below 400 twice in his career
and never shot below .387
and his career efg is 30 points higher than Kemba’s
volume scorers need to shoot at least .400 to be effective
Ellis has never shot below .415
by adamcawa on Feb 24, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Uhh...
This.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2012 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
So we're using .400
as a benchmark to determine efficiency? It’s common knowledge that volume scorers or more often than not volume shooters. That’s still making significantly less than HALF of your shots. I didn’t say Kemba could go on forever with his percentages, so comparing them to other slightly higher inefficient scorers really doesn’t prove anything. Those are still inefficient shooters regardless.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 25, 2012 2:15 AM EST up reply actions
.400 is the standard benchmark
for any player in the NBA with any kind of range, why are you acting surprised by that?
No team in the league, the Bobcats included, has a team FG% below .400.
standard benchmarks are .400 for FG% and .300 for 3PT% for guards and forwards in the NBA
big men typically have a higher FG% because they score closer to the basket and aren’t blocked as often – Steve Nash, Lebron James, Kevin Durant and Mario Chalmers are all shooting above .500 . That is outstanding for shooters.
Kemba is shooting 37% this season.
Danny Granger is shooting 38%. I understand the cause for concern over his shooting percentages. I’ve been concerned as well. But it’s not like he’s been epically horrible. And you’re right, .500 is outstanding for shooters. But I always simplify the big numbers when thinking about the percentages. Carmelo makes 40 out of every 100 shots he takes. Kemba makes 37. I think his poor percentages are being overblown a bit when taking everything into account.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 25, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
how are poor percentages overblown?
Danny Granger isn’t an all-star because his shooting is down.
it’d be one thing if kemba was actually improving his shooting – we were holding out for the returns of dj and maggette, weren’t we? it’d also be one thing if he were an efficient shooter in college
Take the New York game, for example, our closest loss of the season by 4 points with Kemba in the starting lineup. Kemba shot a lousy 2-9. If Kemba shoots 4-9, the game is tied. We lost by six to Chicago, Kemba shot 1-5.
Shooting ’s make a lot of difference. Every missed shot is a turnover 84 of the time.
They are being overblown
Simply because Kemba a lot of times is simply forcing the issue. It’s also not a number that points out how often he is getting to the free throw line either. Come on Adam, I know you see it. Damn near every SHOT he takes ends up looking like a game winning buzzer beater. What concerns me the most are the shots he is taking, not the percentages he is shooting them at. I’m honestly surprised its that high.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 25, 2012 3:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
"Forcing the issue" is his problem.
If he had better court vision or a keener instinct to set up his teammates, he wouldn’t have to do that. And he’s not getting to the free throw line all that often. He’s only about 5% better than Cory freakin’ Higgins in that category.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
the wide open threes
set up by DJ and Diaw, and when he actually realizes he’s typically the quickest player on the court and gets in the lane, are the reasons his fg% are totally terrible
I've never viewed Kemba as a great 3 point shooter.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 26, 2012 11:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Which is problematic when all he does really well is score.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 27, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
This.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
And most would admit Granger is having one of his worst seasons.
In fact, he’s named above as one of the three duds in a game his team won by 15 points.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
cb this is my feeling exactly
holla atcha
Boone Logan is a good boy. So is David Robertson. Team A.J.
The problem isn’t that he’s taking away shots from other guys, it’s that efficiency is basically what makes a good offensive player. There are a lot of guys who could score what Kemba does if you gave them unlimited shots.
I think that Kemba, if it puts it together, should have a very efficient game. He’s quick enough to get to the rack and he’s shown in college that he can finish at a good rate. Keeping defenses on their heels would also open up his mid-range game. But he’s not there yet.
by Handles Messiah on Feb 24, 2012 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
if you had been around most of the year
you would know that’s my biggest critique of him outside his inability/apathy to pass
when he drives the lane is when he’s at his best, he can take anyone in the league off the dribble, but seems too content to try and relive his NCAA tourny days by crossing someone over and then taking a long range J
+1
Lol. That’s what I’m saying. As I read back what I wrote, I see how that came off as sounding like Focus, but you see what I’m saying. It’s more of a mental thing at this point. Not the missed shots of course, but the fact that he’s taking those shots in the first place. He’s got to learn to pick his spots A LOT better.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 24, 2012 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
This is basically what I'm saying.........
with no other true offensive weapons around, Kemba is pretty much having to isolate most plays which more often than not ends up with a miss if he ends up taking that shot. That’s why I’m not as worried about his percentages. A lot of the time, there are two or three defenders keyed on him when he’s making his move to the rim or getting ready to put up a shot. Basically, he’s not getting good enough shots for me to be as concerned with his efficiency at this point. I would be WAY more concerned if he was shooting like this being wide open or on set shots.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 24, 2012 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I feel bad for him, because he’s basically found himself in the worst-case scenario. No rookie that’s only gone through a handful of practices should be expected to be the focus of an offense.
At the same time, we can only judge him off the small smaple of what we’ve seen so far. Even when Augustin, Henderson and Maggette have been around, he’s struggled.
by Handles Messiah on Feb 24, 2012 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
Kyrie Irving seems to be managing that "worst-case scenario" just fine.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2012 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
And Kyrie Irving was the
number one pick despite barely playing in college. But I guess every rookie was supposed to be on his level huh.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 25, 2012 2:21 AM EST up reply actions
He was also the top pick in the draft, is an elite talent and plays with a better roster than what Kemba had in his starts. It would be very nice is Kemba were a generational talent like Irving, but most players need a little seasoning.
by Handles Messiah on Feb 25, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
earlier in the season he was missing wide open shots
not he barely takes any
by adamcawa on Feb 24, 2012 7:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+a million.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2012 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
I'm having a hard time remembering
Kemba consistently getting wide open shots at any point in this season.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 25, 2012 2:16 AM EST up reply actions
But getting good shots is a huge PART of efficiency!
You can’t just jack it up when you please and complain you were defended well.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2012 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
Point to me where I said it wasn't.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 25, 2012 2:16 AM EST up reply actions
Isn't this just the kind of reason people hated about Stephen Jackson?
(But are willing to ignore about Walker and Maggette?)
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2012 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
Are you talking to me
or talking to the people? I never had a problem with Jackson’s shooting until he took dumb shots in late game situations.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 25, 2012 2:18 AM EST up reply actions
I will always remember
When we had the ball for the final possession against the Pacers. We only needed a 2 to win it, but Jax let the clock wind all the way down, then just walked up and shot a contested three pointer and missed it.
Lol. I remember that shot as well.
Everyone in the game thread was confused about what happened.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 26, 2012 11:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I was actually replying to an HM comment, but whatever.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
You're absolutely right.
It would be better if we had a good enough defense and forced enough turnovers or rebounded at a good enough rate that our next-to-last in the league 41.5% FG shooting would keep us in games. But that’s not going to happen very often, now is it?
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2012 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
Nope.
Especially not on a team LIKE THIS Michael. You’re talking about a team that’s in the middle of being tore down. I’ll need to see how Kemba plays around more talented players who can actually command double teams to free him up before I write him off. Why are you talking about team percentages this year? I don’t give a damn about them. This year was a WASH from the beginning. Do you not understand that yet.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 25, 2012 2:20 AM EST up reply actions
So why hasn't he improved as the team has gotten healthier?
Why can’t he make open shots on kicks from the brilliant offensive dynamo himself, Bismack Biyombo?
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Even when healthy
we still have one of the worst, if not THE WORST, roster in the league. You do realize this right?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 25, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
Certainly I do.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
that doesn't change the fact
that for a good portion of the season ya’ll have been excusing his performance because “he’s had to take on the scoring load”, now that DJ and Maggette are back, he’s not gotten any better
by adamcawa on Feb 26, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 26, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
I just think
DJ’s only worth to us at this point is a draft pick. A chance to clear up cap. His playing days here are of no use to us. And if they are, then Kemba’s days arent. I think we make a decision on one or the other. I think we need a bigger PG. Some one who can also run the SG but NOT a SG turned PG. I just think they both (Kemba/DJ) flourish while being an offguard. They both can be the off guard.
i agree that going with kemba and dj is dumb
but i’d rather get rid of kemba than dj!
Do tell...
Who will rank as well as Augustin does as a shooter, distributor, and efficient avoid-er of turnovers?
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 23, 2012 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
One word.
Bismack. That is all. The man had close to a triple double, Serge Ibaka style, and is proving to be a force ALREADY. Let’s all just forget that the kid is a rookie and probably the “rawest” player in the NBA and is still blocking shots at a phenomenal rate, rebounding fairly well, and scoring a lot better than ANYONE expected. This is one pick the Bobcats got right. No doubt in my mind about it.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 23, 2012 8:48 AM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I fully agree. Last night was his 9th start and he already has a game with 6 blocks and 7 blocks. A normal night is 2 or 3. This doesn’t factor in how many shots he changes.
by DanielTDenny on Feb 23, 2012 9:10 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I like this ^^^^ guy already.
Lol. You’re right man. A lot of guys don’t have nights like that in their entire careers. Biz is a legitimate “elite” shot blocker already. There’s no evidence for me to think it’s been a fluke thus far.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 23, 2012 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
As his timing improves he will become very good. Biyombo is a player who will thrive the more he plays. Learns from mistakes and makes adjustments. Its pretty amazing to watch his growth from game to game.
by DanielTDenny on Feb 23, 2012 9:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Complete turnaround
from what he was when the season started. He’s been progressing very nicely.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 23, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
completely agree
he’s turned me into a believer. i just want him to get as many minutes as he can handle and never see diop replace him in the game.
Boone Logan is a good boy. So is David Robertson. Team A.J.
I think everyone
on the site should meet up for a celebration the day Diop’s contract expires.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 23, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
I'll bring the acid and shrooms.
We gotta go all out for this one.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 23, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
take a party plane up to ny
i’ve already got a place reserved in advance for April of 2013. i got a great discount on all the booze and strippers for booking in advance. word has it that desagna himself might come up to celebrate with us.
Boone Logan is a good boy. So is David Robertson. Team A.J.
Rozay on Diop.
We all know he got stacks on deck.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 23, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
I'll pour some liquor out for his airballed FTs
6 feet of Smooth
by Bring Back Primoz on Feb 23, 2012 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
What impresses be most about Biz
Is that he has a higher basketball IQ than I thought, or he’s a really fast learner. He already defends the pick and roll better than any of our other bigs and he has gotten a lot better at figuring out how to fill the lane on fast breaks or drives. He seems to be a hard worker and tough kid so I think he’ll continue to put it together. It’s really hard not to like him.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Feb 23, 2012 9:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
When I was watching the game, I felt like his massive improvement against Hibbert was apparent.
In just one game against the big man, he’d learned enough and was far better prepared to face Hibbert. That kind of ability to learn like that makes me very optimistic in him continuing to improve.
If you disagree with my opinion, I will take it personally.
by Panthers FTW on Feb 24, 2012 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
I finally gave in
And registered on this site. I’ve been reading for most of 3+ years all from my phone. I finally sat down at a computer, made a user name so I can offer my opinion on all things Bobcats.
Hard to believe Biyombo is the youngest player in the NBA. Watching is first few games versus his last few are already night and day. He is much better and occasionally flashes that running hook shot. He makes me happy. #Biyombomakesmehappy
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Welcome to the site.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 23, 2012 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
Anybody can "flash" that shot if you don't care if he makes it.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 23, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Considering he rarely shoots it, and makes it 50% of the time, I’m ok with it. Youngest kid in the NBA, rebounding nicely, blocking shots, yeah I don’t mind him taking some shots considering how bad the season is.
I’ve read Mr. Procton’s comments for a couple years and concluded you need something to be happy about in life. Anytime I feel I might become to optimistic I’ve considered shooting you a tweet to bring me back down to earth.
by DanielTDenny on Feb 23, 2012 12:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Lmao.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 23, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
man i gottta say
this “youngest kid in the nba” stuff is really getting on my nerves
why does it matter how old he is? he’s in the nba, period… he played in europe before coming to the pros, like brandon jennings – he’s had more professional basketball experience than 90% of the rookies this year
Well, it does
suggest that Biyombo has a lot more room to improve. I think his professional experience overseas can’t really be looked too highly upon as far as helping with his development considering the improvement he’s made over a few short weeks, in my opinion. I’m not sure if he was being developed properly over there. To me, it’s almost like he is just now learning the game of basketball.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 23, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Jonathan Bender was once the youngest in the league. So was Robert Swift. Didn’t help them out.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 23, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
As was Andrew Bynum.
I think you know what he means. It doesn’t matter whether he’s the youngest or just young, the point is that he’s a developing player with physical talent, room for improvement and a long career ahead of him.
by Handles Messiah on Feb 23, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
Of course he knows what it means.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 23, 2012 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
As were Kobe, Dwight, Moses Malone, Amare Stoudemire....
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Unless, of course, he doesn't get much better.
Both are perfectly reasonable possibilities.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 24, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
You're right.
It didn’t. But it’s not really about either of them or their age. When you take into account what’s being said about Biyombo, it applies with every player who walks into the NBA. Every rookie is young and has a great deal of potential to improve from the player they were during their rookie seasons. Yes, some player’s glory years are their initial seasons in the league. But for the most part, everybody from Kobe Bryant and LeBron James, to Eric Snow and Popeye Jones, got better over the years. That is all that’s ever been said about Biyombo. Him being the youngest isn’t really something to write home about, but that combined with how “raw” he is combined with eye test progression from the preseason until now is cause for optimism.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 23, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
again
pointing out he is young and has tons of room to improve is quite different than saying “he’s the youngest player in the league”
what i mean is
ya’ll are saying he’s the youngest player in the league as if he has some kind of advantage over other players – or other times as an excuse when he performs poorly
but as far as experience goes, he’s more experienced than most of the rookies in the league
and being young only indicates he might be in the league a long time, it doesn’t mean he’ll be a great player
by adamcawa on Feb 23, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's true as well.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 23, 2012 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
+1
yeah, I’ve been saying that. Why is this all of a sudden some kind of “plus” or new criteria. Another case of using things to help out an argument. Wasnt Kobe once the youngest player? And I think KG. Dwight. Its not a really one of things that I find it needed to keep saying.
Look at KG and Kobe did as young'ens
(They didn’t do much)
And look where they are now. That’s why people like to make note of that. Being so young means he has a lot of time to develop and improve (like CB said).
look what Kwame did as a youngin
it means nothing. DJ White was improving also and he’s 25. I just think “age” is overrated in determining “ceiling and potential”. As long as they arent 30+. Its kinda a non-factor in my eyes
DJ White statistically
Is the exact same player now as he was in his rookie year. He’s pretty much stayed on the same level his whole career.
The reason Biyombo’s age is brought up a lot is this: I tend to think players develop in a manner similar to this:
Where the x-axis is time and the y-axis is talent.
Given Biyombo’s age and inexperience, we assume he’s almost at 0 on the x-axis. However, he is already rather high on the y-axis (“talent”). Therefore, if he progresses like a lot of players his age do, he’ll end up being very very talented by the time his production starts to level off.
How are you
Feeling about Bismack nowadays Focus?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 23, 2012 2:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The last few games
I have been impressed. I like what he’s bringing. But him looking good also makes me feel even worse about having Hendo. If BB proves to be a starter in the upcoming seasons, then we need a better scorer somewhere on the floor other than Maggette (who wont be here much longer)
With us basically
saying Anthony Davis is our guy and BB on the squad, we need a real scorer on the floor. Hendo is good but his production can ge paired with Reggie Williams off the bench with Mullens and Jamison (assuming) and whoever our PG is (Santoransky: assuming). We’d have 2 starting lineups basically.
While I do agree we need a go to scorer.
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bismack biyombo looking good makes you feel worse about having gerald henderson? lol ok…
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Lol, I kinda get what he's saying.
He doesn’t think an offense can survive with Davis, Henderson, and Bismack on the floor at the same time. There is some truth to that I think. For me though, I think the defense would be good enough to not have to score so much. However, unless we have an absolute scoring dynamo in the lineup with them to do damage (at SF, or PG, maybe Kemba), we may go cold. It’s why I’m not opposed to moving Hendo to a sixth man role while bringing in a player who is probably equally talented as a player, but just better on offense. And by better I mean better at creating their own shot. Mayo, Gordon, Monta Ellis, Nick Young, Marcus Thornton, those type of players that can explode for 40 any given night. Henderson is decent offensively and improving, but I’m not sure how well a team with 3 “defensive” players starting would work.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 23, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
See: Spurs, San Antonio or Pistons, Detroit.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 23, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think their situations are quite as extreme
as ours. Everyone on Detroit was able to score well from the outside except for Big Ben. Sheed could stretch the floor with his shooting. I’m not quite sure which Spurs squad you’re speaking of. I’m assuming the title team that had Avery Johnson at PG?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 23, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
You could go as recently as '08.
The team that lost in the conference finals to LA started Bowen, Oberto, and a very-past-his-prime Mike Finley.
The year before that, they used that trio and also Elson or Horry on occasion, but won the championship.
In ’03, they started Bowen with Robinson and Stephen Jackson, neither of whom were particularly good offensively at that stage in their careers. The year before that, they made it to the second round with only one player (Duncan) who scored over 12.2 PPG.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 24, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Damn.
I never realized they were that inept offensively. So do you think Bismack, Davis, and Henderson could be three starters on a good team?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 24, 2012 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
It's possible.
If the team’s system were built around playing good defense, suppressing pace, and scoring efficiently when you got the chance, they could. But you’d need a guy like Ginobili who could go off at any time, against any kind of defense (I do not believe Walker is this kind of player because of his size and shooting issues.)
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 24, 2012 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
What about Barnes?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 24, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
can barnes play d
if his shot ain’t falling?
Not really.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 24, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
Can he score at all if his shot ain't falling given his disdain to drive and be a man among the bigs?
Uhh, yeah. Nope.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2012 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
Harrison?
A guy who’s not man enough to take the game over at the college level? Please.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2012 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
It's troubling
Because he consistently took the game over at the end of his freshman season and hasn’t done that at all this season. I think he’ll be a good pro player but not a “build your team around this guy” player.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Feb 25, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
we'll see what happens in the tourney
when he plays against teams that can stop henson and he has to take the load on
LOL...
We’ll see what happens when a second option has no choice but to try and make an impact? JUST the kind of attitude I want from the face of my franchise.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
i don't picture barnes
as the face of our franchise, even if he’s the top scorer
but if he can score when he’s counted on to do so, how is that a bad thing? we don’t know what kind of plays roy williams calls during the season – it’s not like he’s inefficient when he does score
He's actually not particuarly efficient.
His 48.2% two-point shooting (following 47.4%) is pretty poor for a wing player with his size, though he has done a better job of getting to the line this year.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 26, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
compared to who?
i see 48.544 (5 out of 10.3) from a non post player and think that’s great
He’s the second leading scorer in the ACC and those 5 boards and a steal per game look nice to me.
As far as I can tell, CJ Harris is the only player more efficient than him, but he’s only 6’3" – I also wonder why Harris hasn’t gotten more draft hype because he seems to be able to get to the line at will.
Lots of players do much better.
And you’re dividing averages, not the total. That will throw off your percentage. He ranks 20th out of 25 SFs in the DX Top 100 playing in the NCAA right now, behind players like Kris Joseph, Quincy Miller, MKG, Terence Jones, and Thomas Robinson. Even if you shifted it to SGs (which is not Barnes’ position at UNC or his likely position in the NBA), he’d be 17th of 22. Jeremy Lamb is hitting over 60% of his two-pointers at 6’5", and even a guy like Kendall Marshall, who is as offensive black hole-y as they come, is hitting 50.5%, ahead of Barnes.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 27, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
He was once ranked as the #25 prospect in the ACC.
While Harris is almost certainly a four-year college player, there is still a chance that he develops into a prospect. At this point, however, there are simply too many questions regarding whether he can make the transition to the point guard position. Similarly, while he is a good collegiate defender, will he continue to develop offensively and physically while improving his limited skill set?
From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz1nc4HTEyk
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 27, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
They also had Parker, who is basically Walker’s best case scenario – an undersized guy who early in his career didn’t have much of a jumpshot, relied on his quickness and slowly built up the rest of his game.
Playing next to one of the all-time greats couldn’t have hurt his development, though.
by Handles Messiah on Feb 24, 2012 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
Parker was IMMEDIATELY a better distributor than Walker has ever been.
And that was as a 19-year-old, not a 21-year old coming out of a marquee college program with excellent coaching.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2012 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
Parker averaged around four assists in thirty minutes a game his rookie year. Kemba is doing basically the exact same thing (on a team with a lower overall shooting percentage). Their advanced numbers look pretty similar, too, with Kemba actually having a slight edge in assist percentage.
Parker is also the son of a professional basketball player who played in the French pro leagues for a few years before declaring for the draft. I don’t know that you can point to him as an incredibly raw prospect coming into the league.
Besides, you don’t seem willing to give Biyombo any slack because of his youth.
by Handles Messiah on Feb 25, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
He was certainly more raw than Walker is as a three-year NCAA player in a great program.
I’d say the same of Biyombo.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
I’d disagree, but it’s a small point. The real point is that he came into the league as a mediocre passer and improved his game slowly.
What separates Kemba from Augustin, then? They’ve faced very similar situations, coming off the bench behind an established starter and spending time at the shooting guard position. Augustin put up similar assist numbers and FG% in his first few months. Like Kemba, he also spent a few years at a top-flight college program.
Augustin was a more efficient player from the start because he had a consistent three-point shot, but the passing skills he has now weren’t very evident then.
You seem to like Augustin just fine now. Players can improve; it doesn’t always happen, but it does happen pretty frequently.
by Handles Messiah on Feb 25, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
Augustin was a far better passer as a rookie than Walker is now.
Check PPR or assist rate or turnover rate, or anything else you want. Augustin’s worst PPR at any point in his post-HS career is better than Walker’s best.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2012 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
Kemba’s assist rate: 24.3%
turnover rate: 11.3%
Augustin’s rookie assist rate: 22.6%
Turnover rate: 14.1%
All this is also secondary from my main point, which is that pigeonholing any player or writing them off is kind of dumb when they’re 33 games into their career.
by Handles Messiah on Feb 25, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
And I just calculated their PPR, and Kemba again comes out slightly ahead.
Kemba: 2.61
DJ’s rookie year: 2.59
That’s just back of the envelope math, though, so I could have made an error when calculating. Either way, the difference between their two rookie years doesn’t seem as great as you’re suggesting.
by Handles Messiah on Feb 25, 2012 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
He started 12. Those numbers adjust for minutes played, though, so it theoretically shouldn’t matter much.
by Handles Messiah on Feb 26, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
yeah but minutes played
also affects a player’s comprehension of the offense and ability to improve
that’s the only reason i was curious
Through 32 games, Augustin was averaging about 29 mpg and had started six times.
He ended the year with around 25 – if I remember correctly, he started losing minutes at SG once Raja Bell came over in the Richardson trade.
You can check out his splits from that year here: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/augusdj01/splits/2009/
by Handles Messiah on Feb 26, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
That team was actually pretty good offensively – they were 9th out of 29 teams in terms of offensive efficiency. Like Procton said, though, they just a had a lot of depth and played at a slow pace.
by Handles Messiah on Feb 24, 2012 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
I see what you’re saying, but a lot of those problems are speculative. IF we get Davis, IF we can’t find a complementary scorer, etc.
I’m just glad to have a starting-caliber player on the team.
by Handles Messiah on Feb 23, 2012 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
Amen to that.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 23, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
Well, at least you can now see what we've been seeing
with him. If he continues improving at this rate he’ll be a really good player. Even if he never improves from where he is now, he’s still miles ahead of Diop.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 23, 2012 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
This.
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by andrewlail76 on Feb 23, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
So I'm watching Lakers vs Mavs last night...
The Commentator says, “Dr. J is 62 years old today!” VanGundy (the bald one) says, “He can still get some run with Charlotte.”
We’re a freakin’ laughing stock of the NBA…
He probably could.
Can’t wait for this year to be over so the team can have a makeover, but I’m fine with this year as long as the “core” continues to do well individually.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 23, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
Lol. He probably be dropping 50 on them
in scrimmages in practice. They just don’t want people to know about it.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 23, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
League rules prevent Jordan from playing as an owner.
by DanielTDenny on Feb 23, 2012 1:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
So why are we still losing then?
Maybe Jordan’s rules will land us a superstar too
by DanielTDenny on Feb 23, 2012 2:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Bismack Last Night
Bismack had some good exciting put back dunks last night. He is starting to progress nicely and is only 18 and is a rookie. He is only going to get better. Imagaine Biz and Anthony Davis rejecting shots as Bobcats. I just hope Biz works on his offensive game this summer.
by jayo28262 on Feb 23, 2012 11:55 AM EST via mobile reply actions
teams will be shooting jumpers all day on us
if we have Davis and Biz in the frontcourt
i cannot wait
by adamcawa on Feb 23, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We'd have the best paint protection in the league.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 23, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
But where does the offense come from?
This is why I’m unsure of who we should go with if we get the # 1 pick.
Anthony Davis can score enough
and then Kemba, Hendo and Maggette would be starting alongside them
that’s not a 100 ppg team, but would be one of the best defensive teams in the league – we’d be looking at games in the range of 75-85 or so
I get the feeling
that if we do get Davis and BB keeps up the good work, then we will probably address scoring in FA. Mayo, Gordon, Young, Meeks, Weems (I’d love this guy on the squad: Baby Maggs no BlackHole), Jamison, Speights, Hibbert, Irsan.
I’d actually go after Young. I doubt we are able to get Gordon and Mayo is probably gonna land with a mid tier contender to take them over to the next level. We should swallow or pride and take Young. And go after Jamison.
i would love to get mayo and hibbert
i really want eric gordon, but the chances are so slim he comes here
Nick Young
would be one of the few players out there i’d replace Hendo over… since he’s as good as (or close to it)defensively and a better player offensively
I say we do it
with JR Smith, Rudy Fernandez, Mayo and Gordon (Ray Allen) walking the streets in FA and the top 25 draft picks being capable scorers on the wings, I think we might can scoop young up in the 6mil range. Maybe 7 but its worth it. Then lock him up 3 or 4yrs. He’s gonna break 20ppg one of these seasons. If Jordan can swallow his pride and help him like he did with Henderson, its no telling how far Young could go.
i'm a big nick young fan as well
but i’m not convinced nick is that much better then henderson. henderson is better than young defensively (more blocks, steals, rebounds) and nick never passes the ball. he’s definitely an upgrade on scoring, which is obviously a big concern, but i’d rather pick up a true scoring SF than spend the money on nick young (assuming we get anthony davis in the draft).
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by goyanks69 on Feb 23, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ever.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 23, 2012 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
Calling Nick Young as good a defensive player as Henderson is patently ridiculous.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 23, 2012 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
OK.
Well in that case, it’s hard to compare. George has five inches on him.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 24, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
it's not like that
i was just going over the stats of the 2012 and 2013 free agents the other day and just got them mixed up
Got it.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 24, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
So
Its hard to compare. “George has 5 inches on him”…sheesh. Hendo cant take a backseat to anyone. Hendo has 5 inches on DJ. Thats why he’s a better defender right? SMH.
I actually didn't say either was a superior defender.
But one wouldn’t compare Dwight Howard and Shane Battier as defenders, would they? No, because the things they do are totally different.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 24, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
Insert Greg Oden joke here.
6 feet of Smooth
by Bring Back Primoz on Feb 24, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hahahaha...
Classic.
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by Panthers FTW on Feb 24, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
I think Bismack will eventually be good enough for 10 on a nightly basis.
Davis is pretty decent offensively. But I do understand the concerns.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 23, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
How do we get Davis AND
Barnes!! There is your scoring that is needed.
Kemba
Hendo
Barnes
Davis
Biz
I love that looking into the future!! Just don’t know if it’s possible…. :(
by mives36 on Feb 23, 2012 2:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Add an
OJ Mayo and Jamison. Great squad!
Much of the O depends on Kemba’s development and trust of the PnR. If he can grow w/ Biz and Davis, they could be really great. Bob-Lob City!!
by mives36 on Feb 23, 2012 2:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No Barnes
I just think if we have the chance then we take MKG over Barnes. Unless we get a dynamic scorer (Nick Young/Gordon), I’d rather have MKG. Barnes is a complementary player. He seems like he would do better as the side kick. MKG seems more like a leader. I still think we would need another good scorer, but they wont need to be as dynamic as Gordon or Young.
are you talking about the same jamison
who will be 36 next season? i’m not interested in investing in 36 year olds if we’re serious about a youth movement.
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The Jamison love
comes strictly from the fact that he said he would like to play for us before he retires (he is from Charlotte and wants to play in front of family and friends). A lot of us have already penciled him in as a decent big to bring off the bench for the next year or so. It does go against the youth movement, but we’ll need a sprinkle of veteran leadership here. If Jamison was serious about his words, I think it would be a good fit as long as he knows that he can’t command much money from a squad in our situation.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 23, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
oh word
didn’t know that he said that. even so, i hope he doesn’t expect tyrus thomas type money
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Yeah.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors/post/Antawn-Jamison-aims-to-join-Bobcats?urn=nba,wp725 It’s right here homey. I hope he doesn’t expect anything outrageous. And if it is, it’ll surely be a one year deal.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 23, 2012 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
holla
you watching this knicks-heat game?
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Nah. I'm keeping up with the box scores though.
Lin is a turnover machine.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 23, 2012 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
yeah they're playing him really tough
he’s getting frustrated. none of the points are easy on either end
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Look like it could be a competitive playoff series?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 23, 2012 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
absolutely
knicks need a game plan to combat the double team and then they’re in business. this was a great half.
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no one is coming in to cover the trap
the Knicks have some of the laziest players in the league
they haven’t went after a single loose ball all game
i’m pretty sure they just want the all-star break to start
i think offense at this point will be relied on strategic approach.
change the coach if we get the pieces we needed. I still believe that defense wins championships. IMO
The ball is round so is the rim and the world. anything can happen if you play hard.
by tanduay5years on Feb 23, 2012 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
Me too.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 23, 2012 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
i believe that scoring more points than the other team wins championships
Boone Logan is a good boy. So is David Robertson. Team A.J.
Definitely, without soring more than the other wont win you any game.
but on the philosophical approach to the game, sacrificing “D” for “O” cant win you the shiny trophy. IMO
The ball is round so is the rim and the world. anything can happen if you play hard.
by tanduay5years on Feb 23, 2012 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
As Mike D'antoni learns every year.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 23, 2012 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
+1
The ball is round so is the rim and the world. anything can happen if you play hard.
by tanduay5years on Feb 23, 2012 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
my philosophy is to score more than the other team
you need to get the ball in the basket more than the other team gets the ball in the basket. so you need to stop the other team from scoring as much as you score.
Boone Logan is a good boy. So is David Robertson. Team A.J.
you're also right.
We need both of the philosophy bcoz ryt now, we dont have any of those two. they are like kids running around in circles. Just sayin thou, in rebuilding mode, start in “D” then go soul searching for the “one”. They did that in previous years and was not as “embarrassing” as they are now.
The ball is round so is the rim and the world. anything can happen if you play hard.
by tanduay5years on Feb 23, 2012 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
lol i'm trolling dude
read my statement. that is the definition of the game of basketball.
Boone Logan is a good boy. So is David Robertson. Team A.J.
LOL - ok.
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by tanduay5years on Feb 24, 2012 1:59 AM EST up reply actions
Lol. I already knew what it was.
That’s why I stopped talking.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 24, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
Iv been reading the Kemba comments above
And I didnt really have one that I wanted to respond to so ill just put my thoughts on the whole subject down here. I feel like people are calling Kemba a sixth man a little early. I am a big beleiver that this lockout and not being able to spend time with the team in the offseason and I have seen games besides his triple double game where he has tried to get his teamates involved and made good passes only for his teamates not to finish. I think we should all give him atleast next year with an offseason before we label him Ben Gordon. I also see where people are coming from with the 6th man thing which he could be 6th man of the year once we build a contending team. In my own opinion he could be a staring PG in the NBA but I still see where people are coming with their worries.
in fairness
even Kenny Smith agrees with our majority assessment of Kemba – unlike Kyrie Irving, Kemba is not a good passer (yet)
Well how many Bobcats games do you think Kenny Smith has watched?
We have not had a national televised game, he is going based off what his problem was coming out of college and also at the 3 APG stat and assuming he is not a good passer. When if you watch him play closely he has made some very impressive passes that show flashes of his passing ability. The problem is not that he cant pass but that he needs to get better as a distributor. But as far as his passing ability goes it is good. It also doesnt help having no scoring threats or consistent finishers. D.J. realy has not been that impressive in passing this year and the only player that has looked good this year in distributing is Diaw and thats because that is all he is looking to do.
and yet DJ Augustin leads our team in assists
dude, i think it’s safe to assume that when someone says a player is or isn’t a good passer, they’re not talking about their ability to physically pass the ball, they’re talking about their ability to distribute the ball effectively, as I was when I said Kemba is not a good passer
Sure, Kemba has shown flashes of being a good passer…. so has DeSagana Diop. If he can’t do it consistently, then he’s not a good passer by definition. There’s a reason our offense tends to stagnate when Kemba is at the point. At this stage in his career he is not a good facilitator or distributer. I have faith (rather, I really, really, really hope because our team has little choice otherwise) that he’ll turn things around and learn to be an effective point guard and distributor at the NBA level.
Also, please try to make random assumptions about what someone is thinking, or has done, if you have no way of knowing for sure. I could just as easily say Kenny Smith, as an NBA analyst, has probably watched plenty of Charlotte Bobcat games to know what he’s talking about. He seemed to know a great deal about all of the players in the game tonight, (Hayward, Brooks, George) not just those who get lots of national coverage.
by adamcawa on Feb 24, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Id really appriciate it if you didnt tell me what to do
I mean we are just talking basketball dont take it so personal. I have read this site for awhile I know what is right and wrong on here. I wasnt stating a fact it was just simply something to think about from your statement. Im not say Smith doesnt know what he is talking but do you really think he has watched many Bobcats games this year? I mean how could he really with no national attention, I didnt think I was being too ridiculous in my comments.
I didn't see where he did.
It seems you’re taking it personally that somebody has provided concrete evidence to counter your position. Perhaps you belong on the ESPN message boards?
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2012 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
He told me to stop assuming things
I mean when were you even in the conversation? Why do people take things so seriously here it is like it is non stop fighting and arguing. I joined to talk about basketball not get attacked for just talking to people.
You're the only one I see doing the attacking.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2012 1:26 AM EST up reply actions
Lmao.
Define “attacking”. I can’t find one statement he made that even vaguely resembles such.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 25, 2012 2:26 AM EST up reply actions
How so?
So far your the one that just jumped into the conversation and has so far tried to get me to leave this blog site when me and you have never even had a conversation, and im starting to think that is a good thing.
I haven't "tried to get [you] to" do anything.
Stay if you want, leave if you want. Your prerogative.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
Saying I need to go to the ESPN comment section is telling me to go
You gotta keep up with ur comments buddy it will really help you out in the future.
It was a suggestion, just like the one you offered to ac.
And I’m not sure how you would “help me out” regardless of my comments on a blog where you anonymously comment.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2012 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
Ummm..........
what “concrete evidence” was mentioned there?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 25, 2012 2:25 AM EST up reply actions
D.J. realy has not been that impressive in passing this year and the only player that has looked good this year in distributing is Diaw and thats because that is all he is looking to do.
and yet DJ Augustin leads our team in assists
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
Lol. Good grief guy.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 25, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
well u asked!
the concrete evidence being that Dj leads our team in assists :-P
I mean,
Is it really impressive or a surprise that the starting point guard leads the team in assist though?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 26, 2012 11:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
no not at all
but by even mentioning this, you’re giving merit to the idea that Boris Diaw is a better distributor than DJ Augustin… do you believe that?
I wouldn't say D.J. was that much
better than Boris. All Boris ever looks to do is pass.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 28, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Except at the dinner table of course
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by Bring Back Primoz on Feb 28, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
In that instance,
he actually refuses to pass.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 29, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
i missed the part where the word please
suddenly turned into a command
i was offering advice for your own sake, because no one on these forums takes those kinds of points seriously
It didnt come off that way to me
I was just simply giving you something to think about from your statement I knew I had no proof I was just saying I doubt that Smith has watdhed alot of Bobcats games, what is so bad about that? I was just having a conversation with you and you turned around and almost appeared to be upset. I joined this place to talk Bobcats with some good guys, not appear to be the smartest man in the world.
funny thing that internet
people tend to take things how they see fit, don’t they?
i made a point and then backed it up with a quote a supposed expert who probably knows way more about basketball than i do said, you argued that his point wasn’t worthwhile because you simply think he hasn’t watched a lot of bobcats games, then i implored you that you not make such broad assumptions because they won’t be taken seriously on here, then you proceeded to use the “you’re not the boss of me” argument, and yet I was the one who appeared upset?
as you say, sir, don’t take it personal
by adamcawa on Feb 25, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you know what
let’s just stop this now – feel free to say your piece, but you seem like a nice enough fellow, you’re a bobcat fan, and you shouldn’t have to suffer my so-called superiority complex to always be right
may we just move on?
Sure
I dont want to fight on here because that is not what its about. I still was just trying to give you something to think about with the Kenny Smith thing and I dont see whats wrong with that. But we will drop it here and I hope to have good holesome debates with you in the near future.
This.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
You can have "passing ability" without being a good passer in terms of decision-making and vision.
See Felton, Ray.
Despite not being “that impressive,” Augustin again ranks among NBA leaders in Pure PG Rating.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2012 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
I agree.
Kyrie Irving and Ricky Rubio have really looked lost on the court due to lost practice time and no summer league.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2012 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
They are going to end up being stars
I mean they are better natural players than Kemba. Some players are not as comfortable right away in the NBA.I dont see how not having an offseason and SL hasnt affected Kemba’s game. It makes me wonder how well Kyrie and Rubio could have been if those two factors were in place.
It makes me wonder why it matters at all.
Practice is practice. Real players are ready to step up and compete from the first time they get their opportunity.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2012 1:27 AM EST up reply actions
And Kemba has been "competing",
so what’s your point?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 25, 2012 2:27 AM EST up reply actions
"We arent talking about practice" -Allen Iverson
Im talking about the offseason and Im pretty sure that most people would agree with me that is a big part of the learning proccess for rookies.
Absolutely.
It even benefits the vets who are trying to fit in to new teams or with new teammates. I don’t see how anyone can downplay the importance of practice.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 25, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
i admit
that i underestimated the value of the offseason coming into the season as biz’s development has proven me wrong
The offseason is when players really work on their game
Because they don’t have time during the season to focus on adding components to their game. All of the great ones go off in the summer and work exclusively on adding weapons to their individual arsenal. I don’t know why we can’t just sit back and let this play out and judge these guys next year. Let’s see if Kemba improves and if he isn’t next year, then we’ll need to look at addressing the PG situtation long term and see if Kemba still has a role, even if it isn’t at PG.
I feel like some guys on here just like to gripe and bitch about the past all of the time. I don’t really see the point, honestly, because that doesn’t help at all unless you have a flux capacitor handy.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Feb 25, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I have been more than willing to
exclude this season when judging our players, going so far as to say that I’ll consider next season as their “real” rookie season
the difference between Kemba and Bismack, though, is that Kemba has been the same player for as long as I’ve seen him play, which has been five years now
I wasn't referring to you adam
And I agree with what you’re saying
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by Bring Back Primoz on Feb 25, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
When a certain someone feels the need to consistently bring up things that happened 2-3-4 years ago
I just roll my eyes. Who cares if Bickerstaff was going in the right direction? Who cares if the Okafor-Chandler swap was bad? Who cares that MJ has been prone to bad decisions in the past? They’re all exactly that: in the past.
If you disagree with my opinion, I will take it personally.
by Panthers FTW on Feb 25, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
And the past is the best predictor of the future when you've got a seven-season data set.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
not always.
The ball is round so is the rim and the world. anything can happen if you play hard.
by tanduay5years on Feb 28, 2012 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
What is a better one, then?
Hope for change? That’s worked out well politically.
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by MichaelProcton on Mar 1, 2012 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
So what exactly did Walker and Biyombo do THIS summer?
We heard story upon story about players doing the pickup circuit (Durant) or working with individual trainers (Henderson) to improve their games. What were our rookies doing, or were they so paralyzed with fear by the lockout that they just didn’t think it was worth their time?
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
Well, since you
know everything, why don’t you tell us how they were spending their time.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 25, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
Just like it obviously should have been for all the other rookies who have performed as well or better than expected this year.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
what Irving is doing is special
because he didn’t play many games in college, either – although for a starting point guard who plays over 30 minutes a game, i’d like him to get more assists and less turnovers
but Rubio has been playing professional ball in Spain’s top league for years and has competed against the best players in the world on several occasions in the Olympics and Worlds, so it’s not as if he’s wet behind the ears or anything
But I'm told that European play is VASTLY different from the NBA.
Isn’t that supposed to be part of what’s making Biyombo’s transition so incredibly difficult?
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
Doesn't seem to be difficult now that he's here.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 25, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
Rubio was playing on a different level than Biyombo
Biyombo played a few months in the Spanish ACB League before coming over here. Rubio played in that league for 5 years, as well as playing on the Spanish national team.
Rubio is vastly more experienced than Biyombo.
In that wild, totally-unlike-the-NBA environment.
I fail to see the relevance.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2012 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
didn't i point out that he played against NBA players in the Olympics and Worlds
the rules might be somewhat different but the athleticism and skills are still the same
Pt gd
Lets get some things straight. Kemba is 5 ‘10".dj is 6’1"… Kemba cant see the floor over the defense to ever be a decent passer. He,due to his size cant get in the paint and create as he gets smothered . He , due his size cant get to the rack as he gets his shot blocked way too much.
His size makes him a lifetime disaster on defense. No camps will effectuate this. Hes a career poor outside shooter and is a shoot first pt gd that teammates always hate.
Never compare him to dj ,irving or anyone other than nate robinson whos better.
Name one pt gd his size thats ever been decent. Jj barrera passses first and creates so dont tell me barrera. Tiny n isiah were much taller and could create big time.
That is completely wrong
DJ Augustin is 6’0". Kemba is 6’1". There is no arguing that. They have been measured. It is not a subjective thing.
And Timberwolves fans aren’t a high on Barea because he doesn’t pass the ball enough.
This entire post could not be more wrong.
This post doesnt really make any sense
Your pretty much saying the because of Kemba’s height he is not a good player whenever it is proven he is 6’1 and I mean have you been watching games you can tell he is like an inch taller than DJ.
on the contrary
i’ve thought he actually looks shorter than DJ, but I think it’s mostly because DJ, you know, plays with his head and eyes up like a point guard is supposed to
by adamcawa on Feb 26, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I dont really understand what you mean by the eyes up statement
But they atleast look the same height to me. I also noticed at the shooting stars game when he would stand beside Norris Cole who is 6’2 you could tell Kemba is exactly an inch shorter than Cole. I mean people can keep arguing he is not 6’1 but facts are against them.
Walker is 6'1" flat in shoes. Cole is 6'1 3/4." Augustin is 5'11 1/2."
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