Another letter to Michael Jordan
Dear Mr. Jordan,
Before I begin I would like to emphasize that this season I decided not to renew my season tickets. At the time, it was more because I wasn't sure how the lockout would run its course, but man am I glad I decided not to take the refund offer you guys were shilling. I would've made one of the worst investments in my life. Perhaps the ghost of Adam Morrison's career was smiling down upon me that day.
Obviously, the point I'm making is that your team is terrible. Not just terrible, all-time terrible. Last year you sent me (all of us) a nice letter about how you're trying to make moves for our future in your half-hearted attempt to explain why you traded Gerald Wallace to save yourself a few million dollars out of pocket. Let me ask you, how has that trade worked out for us so far? We got a decent power forward with a sweet mid-range jumper, but can't seem to stay out of foul trouble or away from Boris Diaw's pre-game snack tray (read: seven course meal). We got a young, undersized combo gaurd who is pretending to play point gaurd, but doesn't have the slightest idea how to direct an offense. Finally, we got the youngest player in the NBA who is an imposing physical speciman with a high ceiling, who unfortunatley has the basketball IQ of a courtside trophy wife.
How has that trade worked out, Michael? It's gotten us two underwhelming draft picks and the league's worst record. We just got blown out by the Lakers and Gerald Wal - I mean, the Blazers, respectively. 112-68 - let that sink in for a moment. On March 28, 1990, you scored 69 points against the Cleveland Cavaliers. Does that put things in perspective? 13 professional basketball players couldn't manage to score more points than you put up in a single game. Believe me, this isn't about stroking your massive ego, either. I can't fathom how the greatest basketball player of all time, reknowned for being the most competitive person on the court at any given time, can be ok with a team he owns, a team he should have pride in, scoring 68 points and allowing 112.
Your fan base doesn't care about the Bobcats. Why should they? No one should care about ineptitude. You sell more tickets based on who the Bobcats are playing. Carolinians come from all over North and South Carolina to see if Lebron will drop 40 on the lowly Bobcats. If the Blazers beat the Bobcats by 40+, imagine what Chris Paul and the Clippers are going to do?
Aaah, Chris Paul. A North Carolina native. I watched him play live a few times at Wake Forest and even have attented his charity bowling tournament. He's a great guy with great ties to the community. He's a competitor, too. I hope you've had a chance to watch that game he had against Utah. The way he played in the fourth quarter was almost Jordan-esque. Everytime I think of Chris Paul, I think of how there's no reason he shouldn't be in a Bobcats uniform. Then I'm reminded of how terrible you've been as a GM and owner. As good as you were as a player, that's almost as bad as you've been in the front office.
By now you're probably wondering what is the point of this letter and why you're still reading. Maybe you're not. Hopefully you are, because this is where I finally get to the root of what I'm trying to tell you.
As bad as the Bobcats are, it is still not too late to turn things around. You just can't let your own ego get in the way. Michael, I can forgive you for trading Gerald Wallace and drafting two mediocre players who have been billed as franchise players. I can forgive you if you put aside your own arrogance, suck it up, and start over... again. Blow it up, Michael. Tear everything down.
You have the unique opportunity of being able to have a high lottery pick in one of the deepest drafts in recent memory. Supposedly, you had that oppurtunity last year, but I digress. Going into next season, we're going to have a considerable amount of cap space. If we stay the course, going into 2013 we're going to have buttloads of cap space. Michael, you need to do something drastic and you need to do it now.
First, you have to trade DJ Augustin before his value depreciates to the point where he's not worth a second rounder. Do something and do it soon. I can live with you signing him to an extension, even, just as long as he doesn't leave for absolutely nothing. How'd that turn out the FIRST time you let our starting PG leave for nothing?
Second, and maybe this will solve itself through the first if we're lucky, figure out some way to get a second first rounder this year, preferably lottery pick. I know it's not as easy as it sounds, but there has to be some team out there interested in Boris' expiring, or maybe someone is willing to take Tyrus Thomas. As much as it pains me to say this, even Gerald Henderson is worth letting go for the right pick. Hell, call up New Orleans and send them Kemba Walker for their first round draft pick. REALLY start over. You have a terriffic player evaluator in Rich Cho. Let him do his job. I simply can't imagine Rich Cho was in your ear saying let's take a young, unproven player with possibly a high ceiling with the 7th pick in the NBA draft, when you needed someone to come in and make an immediate impact, not a project. Maybe he was. If so, maybe we've all overestimated Rich Cho.
Next, make a splash, NOW. Do something immediately to keep your fanbase interested. When the looming free agency comes, no player is going to want to come to an empty arena. Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen are on the market. We're not going anywhere this season anyway and acquiring them will only give us more cap room at the end of the season. It doesn't have to be them, either, there are plenty of veterans out there on the last year of their contract. No one player is going to keep us out of the top of the lottery. God knows, if you're not going to send Bizmack Biyombo to the D-League, at least Kevin Garnett is competitive enough to want to show him a thing or two.
I honestly think that's the biggest problem with this team. As competitive as you were, you simply lack the vision necessary to see drive in other players. This team is content with losing. Certainly, everyone expected them to lose, but even I didn't expect them to give up. To get blown out. To lose games at tip-offs. They ignore Paul Silas, meander around on the court and collect a pay check. A pay check many of them certainly don't deserve based on skills and production.
Seriously, Michael, you have to do something. Do it now. Before it's too late.
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CRASH and RAY !
You know they enjoyed beating us into submission last night. The “Warrior” was quoted that he felt like Higgins stabbed him in the back when he got shipped to “Rip City”. Is our owner prepared to write the check for and kids we draft when it’s time to re-them up ?
by chris in union county on Feb 2, 2012 12:52 PM EST reply actions
I'm really confused
Didn’t we all know we were going to be really bad? Can you really call players mediocre less than half way into their rookie season?
And I don’t see why you’re complaining about the state of the team, and then suggesting MJ blow it up. That’s what he did, and everybody is up in arms.
And lastly, Biyombo was a Cho pick. We weren’t even looking at him until Cho arrived. Cho’s had his eyes on Biz for a while.
then blame Cho
I knew we were going to be bad, but I haven’t seen anything from Kemba outside one game. He can’t lead the offense. Maybe it’s not fair that DJ went down this early in the season, but for someone who is supposed to be a franchise player, I want to see something promising. He’s shown that he’s Ben Gordon, at best, thus far.
Biz doesn’t even belong in an NBA uniform right now.
When you get right down to it, we traded Wallace and Jackson for Biz, Kemba and DJ White.
AND A FEW MONTHS OF DANTE CUNNINGHAM!!!
Also, as noted below, White came over in the Mohammed deal.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 2, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
Wait...
You were predicting we’d regularly lose by 20, often lose by 30, and occasionally lose by 40?
Further, if Jordan blew it up again, how could it POSSIBLY be worse than this?
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 2, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
I Agree
We knew they would be bad… But not this bad.
A lottery pick is expected to have immediate POSITIVE impact and not be a long term project. Thats where the 2nd round guys belong.
Sure you have to grow into the system and learn the position, but at a lottery pick level you either have it or you don’t. I have seen flashes of greatness when Kemba drives in the paint or when Biz blocks a shot, so they have their good sides and both have a great work ethic.
However, Kemba is an atrocious shooter and Biz isn’t going to turn into Kareem. Even with an off season with a lot of work they don’t seem like the franchise players we hoped they would be. You can’t wish a player into being great.
Every player on our team should be dispensable. No one is deserving to stay… Nope not even Henderson. No one can put the team on their back when the team is in need.
All we need is one great player, doesn’t even have to be a superstar. Just someone that will generate a winning culture and entice big FA’s to want to come here. Its not as hard as Jordan is making it out to be.
No one player will make big FAs want to come to a bad NBA market to be on a middle-of-the pack team.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 2, 2012 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
Even though this team is so bad right now
We’re 14th in the league in attendance. I think that speaks pretty highly of the basketball market in Charlotte.
...or the fact that they give away 40% of their tickets for free on a nightly basis.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 3, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
I'm more than fine with that.
Creates fans who will be more willing to pay once the team manages to be competitive.
I’d rather make no money than make no money and have audience apathy.
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Have you been to a game this year?
There is more than enough “audience apathy” to go around.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 3, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
No, because I live three hours away.
14th in the league in attendance is not “audience apathy” in my definition of it. If people are going to see the games, especially as bad as our team has been, I’m happy with that.
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First, the crowds are NEVER as big as they are announced at. They announce the number of tickets distributed, not the gate count. Second, the vast majority of the crowd comes late and leaves early, having never been engaged in the on-court action at any point.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 4, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Whatever you say Micheal.
You’re clearly glass half-empty. I’m just happy we’re 14th in attendance with the putrid performance we’ve put on.
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It's not an optimism/pessimistic situation.
I’m telling you what happens at the games. If you had been, you’d know exactly what I was talking about.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 4, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
They aren't forcing people to go to the games
Even with free tickets, people still have to decide they have nothing better to do on that particular night than go to a Bobcats game.
Yeah, that's the point I'm trying to make as well.
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Really?
That they would have to even think about attending a major professional sport for free is a pretty sad statement.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 4, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
Not all people love sports as much as you and me.
People are different.
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the ticket might be free
but attending a major professional sport is never free
Why not?
If you eat beforehand, and are willing to make a 10 or 15 minute walk, there’s absolutely no cost involved with a free ticket.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 4, 2012 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
10-15 minute walk?
Ah, so all those people that get free tickets live uptown do they? Must be neighbors with Boris and the bunch.
So you're saying the drive to downtown is not free?
Neither is going to work or a restaurant then.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 5, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Is there another team offering to deliver the arena to the fans?
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--by Aisander D on Feb 4, 2012 7:59 PM EST
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 5, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
the train thingy costs like 3 bucks
and drops you off almost right in front of the stadium
i park at the one in pineville… beats parking downtown anytime
cost is still cost
pay for the parking? added cost
take a taxi/metro? added cost
plan a meal on the way to the arena to avoid eating inside? added cost
if you do ANY sort of planning related to going to the game and that plan has an associated cost then it isn’t free.
I’m not arguing the possibility of getting away with spending only $5-10, but 5-10 isn’t free. Sometimes even such a minute amount can make or break an evening plan, causing them to not show up to the game even if the ticket was free.
i never said i didn't agree with you?
i was just making a nice observation about the train thingy in charlotte for those that didn’t know about it’s convenience
although i will say, i imagine there are considerably more people out there that can afford 5-10 bucks cost to go to an otherwise free game than there isnt
also
why not eat before you leave your house? you can’t consider that a cost unless you were planning on starving instead
Haha...
Yes. Didn’t see this.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 7, 2012 2:13 AM EST up reply actions
"plan a meal on the way to the arena to avoid eating inside?"
Do you not typically eat dinner at night? I think you’re already planning on that cost.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 7, 2012 2:13 AM EST up reply actions
There is a limit to how many give away tickets a team can count in its attendance numbers
I’m not sure exactly what it is but there are plenty of teams who are handing away tickets this year. In fact, Duke can’t get even get enough students to come to their games and are having to sell tickets in the “Cameron Crazies” section.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Feb 3, 2012 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
I'd certainly like to see that number...
Because on several occasions, they have offered free tickets to a future game every person in attendance who went by the box office. Do those count as “giveaways,” because those people paid for one ticket. They also had three games in January where they were selling every upper-deck seat for $5, including the $45 mezzanine seats. If you’re having to sell your product at a 90% discount, there’s a problem with the demand for that product. The Duke comparison is pretty silly, too. They’re talking about an attendance drop of 150. 150!!! The Bobcats would KILL to be 150 seats short of maximum capacity (actual gate attendance, not just tickets sold/distributed.)
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 4, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
I don't understand your pessimism here.
We’re terrible right now. We have to be creative to get people to see the games. If that means taking a hit financially this year, it’s worth to start generating fans who’ll be more willing to pay big bucks to watch a competitor.
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But, as I noted below, you're devaluing your product.
If people are used to paying $5 to see the Bobcats play, why would they pay $40 with, at best, a marginally improved product.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 4, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Because eventually we should be a playoff contender.
If people aren’t willing to pay more to see a playoff contender, then this market will fail.
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That's a long way off.
Would you disagree?
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 4, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
Of course not.
But it’s going to happen eventually. Two, three years from now.
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I think we're a good way away from that.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 4, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
I just paid for 5 tickets at 40 bucks a pop
that cost me 10 bucks earlier this season
i pay based on where i want to sit, not how much the tickets are, and i know there are plenty of people who do the same as me
my hurricanes tickets cost 125 apiece, but i usually sit in the section where you get 2 free drinks and they have waitresses – best seats in RBC imo b/c you can see great even though you’re not in the lower bowl
with the bobcats, i had my season tix in the second bowl in the third row from the front, so i try to buy tickets in the second bowl this season b/c i know what i’m getting – although i have sat in the nosebleeds before and still had a good time
We're in the same boat on location.
I’m also a big fan of mezzanine seating, but when you convince your consumer base (particularly those who aren’t particularly affluent) that they can regularly get an NBA experience for a $10 ticket and then try to charge four times that, you’re going to have plenty of pushback.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 6, 2012 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
i disagree
i think the 10 buck ticket thing has been a staple of teams struggling with attendance around the nba
ultimately, the thing that will bring people in the seats is a winning team, regardless of ticket prices
Certainly.
But we’re obviously not there yet, and I’m sure if you were to break down the numbers game-by-game this year, the price of tickets and the attendance is directly correlated at large.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 7, 2012 2:14 AM EST up reply actions
The Duke situation isn't a comparison
Just saying all sports are having a heckuva time selling tickets. The NFL attendance numbers are declining noticeably every season and Duke, one of the most successful college programs in the country, can’t even get their students to come to the game for FREE.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Feb 4, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
tbh
I live in Charlotte and had never been to a game until this season. But they had some nice promotions (nice long sleeve T on opening night and 50% off concessions), and the $5 dollar upper level seat games and of course they just flat out gave tickets away at a couple games….. so I’ve been to a few games this season.
if anything it’s a very smart move by the Bobcats to just get people in the seats – unfortunately the product on the court isn’t very pretty but you do what you gotta do.
And that was great for people like you.
It’s important to get people to the games to see whether it’s fun. But when you’re marking down your pricing that much, it totally devalues the experience. I will admit that I have had a hard time convincing myself to drive the hour and a half from HP when tickets cost $80 for a pair instead of $14 in the exact same seats.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 4, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
This 'bad' NBA market did pretty well for the Hornets a while back.
Charlotte has grown tremendously since. Yeah its no NY or LA but its no OKC or Cleveland either… and both have coaxed big FA’s to play there.
...because they were a novelty.
Well, the shine’s off that puppy.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 3, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, and who have OKC and Cleveland coaxed out of free agency?
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 3, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
haha negative much?
CLE had Shaq… OKC hasn’t really pursued any one big, but no FA would ever want to play with Durant, right?
Haha...washed-up Shaq was a big FA?
Maybe we can get Kobe’s age-45 season when he’s putting up 18 a game on 30 shots. LOL.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 4, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
If it is as easy as you are making it out to be
why isn’t every team winning 60% of their games?
by Tim Rudisill on Feb 3, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Never said it was easy.
But it’s not as hard as Jordan and crew have made it seem. Don’t overcomplicate it with percentages and “why’s”.
The name of the game is ‘find a franchise player and build around him’… Don’t bother trying to come up with something else… The idea has had proven success.
If the likes of the Pacers and the Grizzlies can do it in the cities they are in then Charlotte most certainly shouldn’t have this much of a problem.
I disagree though.
I’m not confident that there are 30 franchise players out there. During our playoff run, I believe Wallace was ranked as one of the top 30 players in the NBA. Was he good enough to be a franchise player?
I understand your premise. The problem for us becomes trying to find that franchise player. Are we trying? I believe so. Have we been successful? Not yet (although the future is cloudy. Who knows how good our young guys end up becoming.) I just don’t think it is so easy when I don’t believe the 30th best player in the NBA is worth building a franchise around.
Finally, thanks for answering the spirit of my question and not the literal-nature of it like MP did directly below this. :-P I hoped that people would believe I was smart enough to realize that everyone cannot mathematically have a winning percentage of 60.
+1
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 5, 2012 12:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Math?
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 3, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Haha!
I get what you did there.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Feb 3, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
i pose a question to everyone
is there any player on the bobcats you would rather keep than have the oppurtunity to have 2 out of these four players: anthony davis, andre drummond, harrison barnes, michael gilchrest?
for example, NO needs a PG but this draft is thin at PG, would you trade Kemba for their pick if the oppurtunity arose?
You can leave Barnes out
but yep. Trade Kemba. Minny needs a SG. Trade Hendo. My job needs a material handler. Trade Biyombo. 2 picks and a stack of notebook paper plus our draft pick. We’d be decent then…
The team will be blown up one way or another.
This is the plan. Diop, Maggette, Diaw, Carrol, and Najera obviously have no future here. DJ will more than likely be traded and Tyrus doesn’t look to be a building block. That’s 5, possibly 8 new players that will be Bobcats when we open the season in two years. At that point, Bismack will be 2 years into and should be ready to contribute starter minutes. Henderson will probably be here as a starter or 6th man depending on if we upgrade at all. Kemba at that point will also be an effective role player at worse at that point. Mullens and White, if still here can plug in as role players and whoever we pick this year will also be on the team. Whether its Davis, Drummond, MKG, Barnes, or Sullinger, we will get a player that we view as a starter going forward. Add to that our more than likely high draft pick from next year and a free agent signing or two and we are golden going forward. We are still tearing it down. This was the plan. I know the blowouts are disheartening but I guarantee you the front office isnt losing much sleep over this.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 2, 2012 3:14 PM EST via mobile reply actions
The team has already been blown up.
The only people remaining are either too crappy to get rid of or too young to give away.
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Exactly. It's just a waiting game right now
unless we get into a position to package two or three decent players for a good player.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 2, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
We had two picks in the top nine of this year's draft.
But instead of being able to “view [them] as [starters] going forward,” we’re talking about them being “effective role players.” Doesn’t that suggest a problem with your strategy?
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 2, 2012 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
On the surface, yes
But this could end up being a draft so bad that it didn’t include many starting caliber players. You have to take what you can get.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Feb 2, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty much this.
Possibly the worst draft ever. The only players (based on their current performance) that can be deemed starters are Irving, Brooks, and… that’s it, although I suppose arguments could be made for guys like Knight or Leuer.
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Brandon Knight? Kawhi Leonard? Shumpert? There are plenty of guys who are not only producing relatively well, but starting games. Even Walker’s raw production suggests there is some possibility he could start in a system next to a big, playmaking guard (see: Livingston, Shaun.)
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 4, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
I find it ironic that they're willing
to excuse Kemba and Biz for being rookies in a lockout shortened off-season with no training camp, but refuse to recognize the contributions that other rookies are making
remember, no rookies had a training camp at all, so to be making the contributions that some of them are making, starting even, isn’t something to scoff at, and this includes Kemba, even though he is contributing less and less
by adamcawa on Feb 6, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You've got it all wrong.
I recognize that Brooks is having a fantastic season. I also don’t think he’ll be a great deal better than he already is. I do think that Bismack and Kemba will be better players down the line than Brooks.
It’s like Okafor and Dwight. One won rookie of the year, the other didn’t. The one who didn’t is so much better right now, it’s not even close.
I look at things through a forward thinking lense. Sure, I’d say that in their current incarnations, right now, Brooks is better than Kemba. But if you think Brooks will always be the better player than Kemba, then we’re going to have to disagree.
If you disagree with my opinion, I will take it personal and hate you forever.
by Panthers FTW on Feb 6, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Lol, unless you can find me some certified starters in the
draft, yes. You can’t sit here and talk about who is starting and who isn’t starting because each team has their own situations. This was a weak draft from the start, and having two players that can come in and play roles on the team would be a good get. It’s the same thing every other player in this draft, other than maybe Irving, is doing. Coming in, and playing a ROLE. Some of them start, but they are still playing a ROLE. They aren’t the main attraction for their teams at all.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 3, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
And how many rookies ever are?
The fact is, there are plenty of players (some of whom were drafted well behind our guys) who are producing. Biyombo is producing very little.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 4, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
Biyombo has surpassed my expectations.
I’ll leave it at that.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 4, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
If your expectations were this low...
We probably shouldn’t have taken that guy #7.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 4, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
I expected him to be a raw prospect on offense and a great shot blocker.
The only area I’ve been somewhat disappointed with is rebounding.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 4, 2012 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
wait
You actually think MJ was behind the pick for Bismack? I thought it was well documented that Biz was Cho’s guy from the start…. Cho had seen/heard about Biz from his days in Portland and definitely personally visited/scouted Biz.
As for the question you pose – there’s no one on the roster honestly that is off limits in my opinion if we could actually get another high lottery pick and get a chance to get another elite prospect – but problem teams/GM’s aren’t dumb either, they know this draft is going to be loaded so why give up potentially a high pick. The only way I see us pull of something is we’d have to give up a young prospect AND take back a bad contract and then hope kinda like last year with the Cavs that that particular pick strikes gold in the lottery. But fun question to pose.
The good news is I’m just glad that a lot of our bad contracts are off the books in 2 seasons – only Tyrus’ deal really will be the last contract I’d like to see gone at some point.
If that opportunity presents itself
I think the front office has to look into it. We aren’t going to be in the market for prime free agents next year either so if we can score an extra lottery pick, I think it would be worth taking on a bad contract. Charlie Villanueva or somebody like that.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 2, 2012 3:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree
I mean that’s one way of using your cap space especially since I’m not sure what free agents we can attract and although we got Reggie Williams for a good price…. just scared we may overpay to bring someone aboard.
I don’t even know what Charlie V’s contract is but if he can still somewhat play and we could get a lottery pick – I’m down.
Charlie V has the same contract as Tyrus
except one less year. He’s hurt right now but I think he’s waaaayyyy better than Tyrus will be. Because he can actually hit that jumper that Tyrus takes. And it seem Mullens, DJ White and Tyrus are always open for those shots. Charlie V is a better shooter than all of them in my opinion…
Agreed.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 3, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
I'd trade Tyrus for Charlie V.
They both are clearly extremly overpaid though.
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by Panthers FTW on Feb 3, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Sure, so would I.
There is no reason for us to have him though and he’s just as badly overpaid as Tyrus, so there isn’t any reason to discuss it.
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by Panthers FTW on Feb 3, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
I'd rather have Tyrus.
We can amnesty Tyrus.
by Tim Rudisill on Feb 3, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
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by Panthers FTW on Feb 3, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
I should elaborate a bit more.
I’m not saying that we should amnesty Tyrus (although that’s my current opinion), merely that we have the option. If we trade Tyrus for another bad contract then we are locked into that bad contract. If we really believe that Tyrus’ contract is so atrocious, then we should not trade it for a slightly-less atrocious contract, we should purge it from the books. Heck, we lose the other two bad contracts at the end of next year anyway.
Yes, but that money still has to be paid.
I don’t see Jordan being very eager to do that.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 4, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
but another team will be willing to pick up Tyrus. For what he’s making now? No, but I don’t expect it to be too far off. At the very least, it’s worth it if MJ expects us to start competing in the next couple of years.
The Clippers got Billups for $2 million
So I doubt anyone will take much of the burden off us.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Feb 4, 2012 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
Billups is also, what, 50?
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 5, 2012 1:04 AM EST up reply actions
Billups will be out of the NBA in two seasons
if we all can recognize that the potential is there for Tyrus, he just hasn’t reached it, then so can NBA gms
I no longer recognize that.
I firmly believe he now is who he will always be as a player: something like a 10-6 guy who won’t ever be good enough to be a starter for any extended length of time.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 6, 2012 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
True enough...
But that’s still going to add up to something like $15 million left over for us to pay, and when you add that on top of whomever we sign as a result of the cap space we net, that’s a hell of a lot of money.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 7, 2012 2:16 AM EST up reply actions
i wasn't originally
aware that his contract was backloaded
so my opinions have changed somewhat
i’d be willing to amnesty him only if we have a sure fire free agent waiting in the wings, so to speak
although, honestly, if we end up drafting anthony davis, we might be paying him a whole lot to not play for us anyway
You guys do realize that moves like this is what got us awful contracts like Diop's, Mohammed's, and Radmanovic's, right?
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 3, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
That's why I'd be only willing to do it for Tyrus Thomas.
Because the contract is a year shorter. Obviously with the amnesty still in play, that’s unnecessary.
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No, those moves are nothing like what I'm suggesting.
What I’m saying is that if a team is offering a lottery pick to take a bad contract off their hands, I’d make the deal. Just like the Baron Davis deal that ended up getting the Cavs Irving. It’s worth a risk of you’re not planning on making a splash in free agency. Plus Charlie is still looked at as a competent player.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 3, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
really
we’d be better off using that money and roster spot to try and get a decent free agent
A decent player and a lottery pick > a decent free agent.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 3, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
an overpaid
free agent typically doesn’t equate to a decent free agent
especially when you look at the free agent class of 2013… i’ll overpay for a superstar, not an aging veteran who won’t help us win
I can agree with you there.
Just as long as you realize that the chances of us having to overpay someone are greater.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 8, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
You do realize that that deal has been talked about as one of the worst EVER from the Clippers perspective, right?
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 4, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
Lol, and that's the entire point.
If we could make a similar deal, why not do it? We would be the Cavs under that scenario. Something like Detroit trades Charlie V and their draft pick for Boris to clear cap room to make a run at Anthony Tolliver or somebody weird like that (because you know they will). Would you not take that deal?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 4, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
Not saying it's realistic or I can
see anyone offering that type of package, but that’s what I’m saying.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 4, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
So if we can rip somebody off with a once-in-a-lifetime deal, we should do it?
I like that idea. Maybe we could propose Biyombo for Howard. They want to get rid of him anyway.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 4, 2012 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
It's not once in a lifetime,
it just happened last year Michael. All you have to do is find a team on the edge of the playoffs with young pieces in place looking to go cheap. Toronto could end up being a team like that.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 4, 2012 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
Even if Rich Cho was behind it
MJ signed off on it.
Biz is a hard worker, and will learn the NBA game.
Same goes for Kemba both of these guys are young, and without any NBA training. I think next year same time we will be happy they are here. GO ROOKIES!!!
Let's Go Cats!!!
The lockout hurt them two
but the other players that I named and stated are better than them dont get to use that reasoning huh?
How much "NBA training" did Irving, Rubio, and Brooks have?
Just checking.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 2, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
why do u have that negative impact with the rookies?
The ball is round so is the rim and the world. anything can happen if you play hard.
by tanduay5years on Feb 3, 2012 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
Is this a coherent question?
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 3, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
There is no doubt Irving, Rubio, and Brooks are better than our rookies right now.
That’s also why Irving and Rubio have far higher draft pedigrees.
Brooks looks to just be the example of an above average guy who got drafted too late. Shit happens.
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Brooks was projected to be as good as he is...
Idk what some gms and front offices think when it comes to the draft. Like Ferdette and Morrison going so high. Dejuan Blair and Paul Milsap going so low. BB going so high and Brooks going so low…
Personally, Brooks was my first choice
but we did discuss this a few months ago about somehow these “known” talents slip through the draft. I’m guessing he may have just been bad in workouts or something. I don’t know.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 3, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
"High ceiling."
I know Focus hates that word, but that’s the reason. I don’t see the potential for Brooks to become much, much better than he already is. That’s probably the reason why he didn’t get drafted earlier.
Sometimes “high ceilings” can be flawed though, as we’ve seen.
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by Panthers FTW on Feb 3, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
who cares if you cant be much better than a 18pt scorer?
And of course he will get better. If he adds a consistent long range to the skillset he already has (ability to drive and create his own shot) he will be an allstar in no time…
by focuslja on Feb 3, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't see Marshon Brooks ever being dynamic enough a scorer to be a pereniall All-Star.
We’ll see though.
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by Panthers FTW on Feb 3, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
I don't either.
He’s everything I thought he would be. Jamal Crawford 2.0. Not a bad player, but not an all-star caliber player.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 3, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Ok, fine.
Every team needs scoring. And if you know you can have it cheap for the next four years, why would you turn that down?
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 3, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Because he's a complimentary piece.
We’re not in the market for complimentary pieces right now, since we’re bottoming out for a top 3 pick. Now, obviously, I wouldn’t be against having him on our team, it’s just not in our best interests to draft guys who are topping out early in their careers.
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quite frankly
at this point, it doesn’t matter who we have on the team as long as they’re cheap and relatively young
and if they’re not young, then they only need a 1 year contract
by 2013 we should honestly only have three people who are on our roster now in the lineup, and that’s a big MAYBE at that, since I don’t think Hendo, Kemba or even Biz are untouchable
They're basically all untouchable
unless someone is willing to offer us a lottery pick for one of them, and no one is going to do that.
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That's true as well.
It’s a buyer’s market.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 3, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
They are not untouchable
we might want them to be but they arent. Esp not BB.
Anyone in the league can be traded if the right offer came along Focus.
That’s the entire point. Obviously we aren’t going to part with Bismack, Walker, or Henderson unless it’s a significant return, no matter how much you hate it.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 3, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
+1
No one on this team is untouchable.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 3, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
That's different.
The rim moves like the ones at an arcade when Diop goes to the line.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 5, 2012 12:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Who says the guy topped out?
Bc he’s good already? So every player that is good coming out of the draft has topped out? We’ll be lucky if any player tops out at 18ppg. He’s def not Crawford 2.0. Crawford is basically a deep ball shooter. Brooks is not. He creates his own shot from the midrange and he drives to the basket very well. Smh…how can a person who is already good be considered “low ceiling”? Silly. Like he cant grow just bc he’s good. Sheesh. If he ever adds the 3 ball, he’ll be in the leading scorer in the league convo for years to come..
by focuslja on Feb 3, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ok, so how many points do you expect Brooks to average over his career?
25? 30? That’s where the topping out comes from Focus. When he gets on a more competitive team, if ever, shots will be distributed more evenly amongst talent and his scoring will go down. So either you think he ends up being one of the most prolific scorers in NBA history, or he’s topping out now offensively. He can improve GREATLY on defense and that will make him a threat to be a franchise type player in the future, but I don’t see it.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 3, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
I love these same 3 posters
that come up with the silliest things. Its obvious he’s a big time scorer. We’ve seen that. So you telling me he cant add a 3pt shot to his arsenal because he was already good coming out of the draft? That makes no sense. If Hendo can do it after 3 season. And Derrick Brown can do it like 3 season, then why cant a Rookie who already really knows how to shoot add one? Say what you want. Like I said we’d be happy if any of our players even top out at 18. And I think in a few years Brooks will probably add at least 5pts IF they continue to let him play
by focuslja on Feb 4, 2012 2:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Who the hell said he couldn't add a three
To his game? You’re not being realistic saying he is going to score a lot more. Can he improve on his range? Yes. Can he become a more efficient scorer? Sure. Is he going to average 25-30 in his career? HELL no. Again, those are hall if fame caliber numbers that I know are possible in your imaginary world, but it’s just highly unlikely here in reality. And the kid is still a role player no matter which way you slice it, unless you really think a team would win the title with him as a top option.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 4, 2012 4:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I didnt say he could score
ALOT more. I said adding 5pts. With the 3 ball, Im sure he can add 5pts. Thats not alot but I just think he’ll eventually put up those Eric Gordon, Danny Granger type of numbers.
And as far as all that role player crap goes, he’s still a rookie. Not only that but according to RoF, he’s not that good. So as a rookie thats “not that good”…the kid is taking strides. And with what he is doing now, if it continues (he doesnt really need to get much better offensively) He’ll def be more than just a role player. He rebounds well too. And since yal love “PER” he’s well over 18 already. And he gets close to 30mins a game. So his PER isnt a “what if he got 20 more minutes PER”…its a legitimate PER…
Right.
Now be more realistic and take into account how garbage New Jersey are. And then take into account that Kris Humphries, yes, that Kris Humphries, is the leading score right behind his 14.8 average (LEGITIMATE numbers) with 13.2. And then add in the fact that JORDAN FREAKIN FARMAR is right behind him with 10.1. Now let’s get into the fact that Brook Lopez isn’t even there to take shots. And what does that tell you? On a contender, Brooks is a ROLE PLAYER. Just like Hendo, just like Nick Young, just like Jamal Crawford, just like Thornton, and all of these other players. You get so giddy over a few offensive explosions that you forget about reality kid. Brooks has been good, but not great by any stretch of your imagination.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 4, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
"A few offensive explosions," huh?
He has 17+ points in ten of his seventeen games!
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 4, 2012 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
And he's still averaging less than 15 a game.
So what does that tell you?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 4, 2012 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It tells me...
that the small sample size is skewed by two six-point games, during one of which he was returning from injury, and one of which he left early with an injury.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 4, 2012 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
14.8 ppg.
Nothing more needs to be said.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 5, 2012 12:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
You asked the question.
I answered.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 5, 2012 1:04 AM EST up reply actions
14.8
Really defines greatness around these parts huh? I refuse to get caught up in your trolling or Focus’ love jones for certain players who haven’t even been that great themselves, I’m not putting Brooks down because I actually like the kid. But facts are facts. I don’t even know where this 18 ppg came from. Y’all are being hypothetical again.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 5, 2012 12:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He's already exceptionally efficient for a rookie.
He’s no Kemba Walker.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 4, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
He's been better than Kemba thus far.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 4, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
If the worst he'll ever do is 18 PPG, that's still a HELL of a player.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 4, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe so.
I don’t think that’s the case, but we’re all entitled to think what we want.
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Will he average 18PPG on a winning team?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 4, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
Perhaps not.
But if he averages 15 as the second or third offensive option while remaining as efficient as he has been this year, that is a key piece. Unlike a guy who can come in and give you five blocks, four rebounds, and two points in 25 minutes.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 4, 2012 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
Why does it always have to be 2 points with Bismack?
He’s scored double figures on multiple occasions already, but it’s nice to know you believe it’s all downhill from here. And that key piece you are describing sounds an awful lot like Hendo.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 4, 2012 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
And he's still averaging less than 3 a game.
So what does that tell you?
That’s how you put it, right?
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 4, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
I've never used points in an argument for
Biyombo, so no.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 5, 2012 12:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Actually, you did.
Why does it always have to be 2 points with Bismack?
by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 4, 2012 7:14 PM EST
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 5, 2012 1:05 AM EST up reply actions
In an argument "for" Bismack?
Try again.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 5, 2012 12:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If he was going to start averaging 30 ppg, he'd have been drafted higher.
His talent level says he won’t do that. You can feel free to think what you want, but I’m hedging my bets and saying he’s going to get better, but not much better.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 3, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
I dont care how much better
he gets. I’d rather a 16 or 18pt scorer get a lil better. Which now is a 20+ppg player. Than a 5pt scorer who can get MUCH better. Which ends up being 14 or 15ppg. You get my drift. Who cares about a high ceiling from a low a low level contributor?
by focuslja on Feb 4, 2012 3:07 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Why do you keep talking about
Points when it comes to Bismack? Why is that all that matters to you?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 4, 2012 4:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Its not all that matters
its about PRODUCTION. Im happy with whatever a player BRINGS to a team. Not “maybe one day if we had a good big man coach he might just develop to bring” kinda stuff. I only judge players by what I can visually see. I spot things like skills also that may not be amplified but are present. BB I thought could at least rebound at a high rate. Nope. Its avg. Our PG can rebound like him apparently. And he was taken later. And he’s undersized. BB was supposed to be strong, but he gets pushed around by “lesser” caliber players. He cant hold the ball longer than 3secs or he’s gonna travel or get it stolen. Im just not into teaching a player how to play basketball. Im moreso into honing players to highlight strengths. Not teaching professional basketball players how to play basketball. BB gets his stats from Athleticism only. See Tyrus…
by focuslja on Feb 4, 2012 5:36 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Biyombo has an elite skill.
His athleticism. I’m willing to take a chance on someone with an elite skill over anyone else, especially in a weak draft.
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So why aren't more teams just drafting decathaletes and track stars and hoping to teach them basketball?
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 4, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Don't know.
All I know is he’s an elite athlete and many scouts liked what they saw in him. I’m an optomistic person, so that’s enough for me.
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Was Biyombo not a ball player already?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 4, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
Not much of one.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 4, 2012 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder who came thru here and Rec'd all this comments.......
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 4, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
And if Biyombo wins a DPOY
award as a Charlotte Bobcat, would you still be crying and talking about Brooks so much? If?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 4, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
No, but he'd actually have to PRODUCE SOMETHING on a regular basis for that to happen.
And we’re a long way off from that.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 4, 2012 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
Well, at least you said no.
That’s all I wanted to hear.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 4, 2012 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
I agree.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 4, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
I think we're in the market to get as much NBA-caliber talent as possible.
When you don’t have ANY pieces, I don’t see why we should be prejudiced against any draft picks who don’t have Hall of Fame potential.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 4, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
I guess that's the difference between our philosophies in building a team.
I want guys who have the highest upside, you want guys who can contribute immediately.
That’s fine, but that doesn’t make either of us wrong.
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Rubio's #5 selection isn't much higher than Biyombo's, or even Walker's.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 3, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
It was also in a draft that had A LOT more talent than the last one.
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A helluva lot.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 3, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
So you're admitting that trading our best player to move up in this draft was stupid?
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 4, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
Not at all.
I think our team is better off without Jackson (I know you disagree, but whatever). Any semebelence of value is now gone after his performance this season.
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But one cannot consider his performance this season as relevant to what he might have done here.
Changing the variable of his location changes everything.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 4, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
You have no proof that'd be the case.
That’s merely speculation.
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Just as you have no proof it WOULD be the case.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 4, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
The burden of proof falls upon the person who makes the argument.
Why should I have to have proof? I’m not the one making speculatory statements.
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Yes you are.
Your suggestion that his value would disappear in the same way is speculative.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 4, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
You suggesting that Jackson would be better here is speculative.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 4, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
No more speculative than PFTW's contention.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 4, 2012 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
Well let's all just speculate then.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 4, 2012 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
not really
he didn’t speculate that he’d not have been valuable on the bobcats
what he gave was an argument with an opinion containing generally regarded truth, that stephen jackson’s value has depreciated after his performance thus far this season
nothing in that relates Jackson’s performance this season to the bobcats, that is a connection MP alone made
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by Panthers FTW on Feb 6, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
So to you it makes TOTAL sense to hold
on to a 35 year old player for the sake of holding on to him.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 4, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
No.
For the sake of getting a return of some value.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 4, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
At what point does that happen?
You think Milwaukee will get a good return for him?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 4, 2012 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
just because we probably
wasted our pick, doesn’t mean getting the #9 pick wasn’t a great return on an aging player with an attitude problem
it’s also unfair to be reflective about the pick we made without being reflexive about Jackson’s performance since he left the Bobcat
we got Biz for a player who won’t even last the NBA season before likely retiring, so whether you look at the trade from before we drafted or look at it now, we still come out ahead
I disagree.
The trade up from #19 to #7 in this draft was not a good value regardless of who we had gotten. I said this at the time, and the fact that players drafted well into the 20s (Brooks, Norris Cole) are producing as well as top-ten guys like Vesely and Biyombo only validates that position.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 6, 2012 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
Contributing just as much as Maggette is.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 7, 2012 2:17 AM EST up reply actions
which only further validates my point
that i’ve made elsewhere in more detail
if maggette and jackson are both washes (although maggette is due back, jackson isn’t likely to be traded), then the end result is still that we moved up in the draft by trading liv
and Jax will probably
be traded for far less than his contract. Or at least net a decent player. Where as I cant see Maggette being traded for anything. So in the end MIL dumps Maggette and Salmons and probably moves JAX…so who really won? Pluys they have a good player in Irsan and Gooden is still putting up nice numbers. Contract and talent wise MIL is in a good position to make some nice moves in the upcoming seasons. Plus they are building a team that is very appealing. One or two pieces and they are contending. And they have a pretty young team too…
We're only one or two pieces away from contending
If those two pieces are LeBron James and Dwight Howard.
And taking on salary.
And, again, it’ s debatable whether we even got a better player by moving up.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 7, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
we took on less than a million over all salary
over the 2 seasons of magette’s, liv’s and jackson’s contracts
and techincally, since we would’ve drafted 19th anyway, when you consider only hte difference between biz’s and harris’s contracts, then we actually came out a little over 2 million ahead
Maggette’s 2 year salary: 21.19 million
Jackson’s 2 year salary: 19.32 million
Liv’s 2 year salary: 7 million
Difference between Biz and Harris over 2 years: 2.87 million
Bobcats 2 year salary impact: 24.06 million
Bucks 2 year salary impact: 26.32 million
Livingston's second year isn't guaranteed.
It’s a pure team option.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 7, 2012 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
well considering how much
they love him, i imagine they’ll keep him around
i also imagine had we not traded him, we would’ve kept him around, too, since we weren’t gonna be do anything in that second year anyway
Isn't your position that roster flexibility is paramount?
Well, we lost some there.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 12, 2012 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
I really want to like Kemba
I just don’t think he will ever be a star or even a long term starter. He is DJ without an outside shot. I refuse to give up on Biyombo. That kid will be a cornerstone. I remember screaming at the TV on draft night…Kawhi Leonard at pick 9!
Who is the "decent power forward" you refer to?
If you mean White, he came over in the Mohammed trade.
Outside of that, solid post. Did you actually send it to Jordan?
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lol that wasn't so hard was it?
you corrected me without coming off as arrogant or bullish
Indeed, White came over in the Mohammed trade, but the underlying point is that they were all congruent trades that were supposed to “make us better by being worse first”, or something of that nature.
oh and no
i didn’t really send this to Jordan
how would i go about doing so? before i was able to because season ticket holders had an email address that supposedly would eventually get to jordan
This is the link for his "Chairman's Corner" Q&As submission.
http://www.nba.com/bobcats/mj_mailbag_form.html
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 4, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
although i can't imagine he'd ever REALLY look at these
some intern probably reads them, picks a few out, and gets a general response
You may be right about the first part...
But he has typically offered reasoned, relatively detailed responses.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 6, 2012 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
ah...
i didn’t take the time to look at previous responses and such
i know he never offered any responses to my vocal bashings of him last season :-D in fact, he’s quite adept at totally ignoring anything going on more than a row behind the bench
seriously
if Jordan ever lacked a vision it was when he and Higgins were tag teaming it together and just doing whatever Larry Brown wanted done to the roster. Just a plethora of bad moves that were made.
I was pretty bummed out the day i found out we indeed traded Wallace and really imo didn’t get back enough for him….. that said, from that point forward it needed to be about tearing everything down and building it back up to make it worthwhile.
Since Cho has been on board – I don’t think it has been a coincidence we’ve been making much more sound decisions financially and just how we build. I never had much confidence in what Jordan did before Cho came on board but that has changed. No more bad long terms contracts and trying to get better through the draft is the blueprint for a small market team like us. You hope to find a star that you can keep (like OKC) but if not there’s nothing wrong looking like the Nuggets and being a legit 2 deep at every position.
That 2nd to last paragraph about making a splash is exactly what the old Jordan would’ve done b/c he’s so competitive and hates losing – he would’ve doled out big money or made a dumb trade just to shake things up and then we’d be left years later suffering the consequences for it (which we still are). And besides – making moves is not that easy – we’re not playing video games here.
I get and understand frustration over just getting hammered night in and night out right now….. heck we’re worse than I even thought we’d be but it’s not going to be an overnight deal – it’s gonna take a 2-3 drafts to get the pieces in place and get some dead weight off the roster. So if you want a bit more competition – that’ll come simply if we can somehow shake the injury bug this season but with the way the roster is now – wins aren’t gonna happen and that’s a result of us rebuilding.
Just keeping it real for some of you folks out there
I say 2 drafts...
and good FA periods. Scouting also plays a role. We couldve got Greg Stisesma for way less than we got BB and they basically have done the same thing since entering the league. Greg S. with less minutes. Or Sean Williams. (Dallas Sean Williams not NJ Shawn Williams)
And Greg is also 26 years old.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 3, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
So?
You say that like Tyrus isnt 25. Its not old.
So?
So a rebuilding team should DRAFT a 26 year old rookie? This has nothing to do with Tyrus at all. Cut it out.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 3, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
He wasn't drafted.
He’s been available since ’08…when he was 23.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 3, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
Ok.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 3, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
How does that help your point at all?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 3, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
You're comparing a rookie draft pick to a 26 year old
who is obviously way more experienced and has way less upside (yes, despite how much you hate that word, it’s true). Either way, it all derives from you trying to discredit Biyombo being one of the best shot blockers in the league already which is a total joke. Fall back.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 3, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
It did help my point
for one Greg wasnt drafted this season. So when yal tried to change the subject “we’d be idiots to draft blah blah”. He wasnt drafted. And he avgs just as many bpg than BB. That was the point. Even if he has more experience. Look at the comparison. Greg S. and BB. We traded Wallace, Jax and Livingston for Maggette and a player that Im comparing to Greg S,
by focuslja on Feb 4, 2012 3:13 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And Greg Stiesma also
leads DWIGHT HOWARD, ANDREW BYNUM, SERGE IBAKA, and everyone else in the league in BPM as well. You’re talking about your stupid production from low upside players when I’m talking about production from players that can actually get BETTER.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 4, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
Greg Stiemsma can't get better?
Do you have any proof of this statement? Sounds “speculative” to me.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 4, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
I have history on my side to suggests
that 26 year olds don’t make any sudden jump in improvement, but you’re right, it’s speculative. Maybe he can be an All-Star player one day.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 4, 2012 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
He's no less likely than Biyombo at this point.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 4, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
If you say so.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 5, 2012 12:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
statistically, this is untrue
history shows that NBA players don’t make their FIRST all-star game after 30, as far as I know it’s only been done four times, by Sam Cassell, Anthony Mason, Nat Clifton and possibly Dikembe Mutombo if is indeed 6 years older than he claims to be. (Would have put him at 32 in 1992.)
Meanwhile, Biyombo is 19 – supposedly. Steimsma certainly isn’t making an all-star game this season, neither is Biz, so basically Biz has 10 years to make his first all-star game while Steimsma has 3
not really
a 26 year old player who has struggled making an NBA roster for three years isn’t more likely to contribute in the long run than an a 19 year old with high upside
who cares whether he was drafted or not?
Another excellent point.
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by Panthers FTW on Feb 6, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
And a 26-year-old player who has struggled making an NBA roster for three years isn’t more likely to block shots at a higher rate in his first year as a top-seven pick. But he’s doing it.
Biyombo is proving the odds wrong.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 6, 2012 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
and stiemsma has more personal fouls than points
steimsma is clearly the fluke of the two and were it not for a 6 block game, wouldn’t even have been mentioned
dude once fouled out in 10 minutes of gametime
Haha...
You don’t think Biyombo could pull that feat off as the #5 big man on a team with encouragement from his coaches to play in just such a fashion?
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 7, 2012 2:18 AM EST up reply actions
against dwight howard, sure
but his foul proneness caused the celtics to lose faith in him as well and now he only serves as that big enforcer to come in and foul people late in games and get rebounds on free throws
but there’s no question a third string center (behind two washed up vets, no less) who WAS blocking shots at a high rate, is clearly the fluke between he and biyombo, as biyombo is still providing blocks with consistency – he has at least one block in every game he’s played 12 minutes or more except the Lakers game, although he’s averaging 2.5 blocks per in those games.
Greg sucks...and so what
he’s gone in the offseason. Biyombo sucks and we’d be hard pressed to trade him away…
since you can't rationally prove that biyombo sucks
and ignore the facts that he has progressively gotten better, then i have no interest in wasting my time arguing with you
is progressively getting better
having one good game then sucking the next two? Even Derrick Brown scores 20. I still dont think he’s gotten “better”
He's actually put up double-digit scoring games on a pretty consistent basis lately.
He’s not very good, and a lot of it is due to opportunity, but I think his game has grown a bit as a scorer.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 12, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
If we had drafted Greg
we’d be the biggest retards in the league. The Boston Celtics are in the position to be picking 26 year old rookies. Not the Bobcats.
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by Panthers FTW on Feb 3, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
He's from the d-league...
we are in the position to do what may I assume?
Try to get the youngest, highest upside players around.
We’re not in a position to win right now, so there would be no reason to pick up a 26 year old rookie.
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by Panthers FTW on Feb 3, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly!
It’s crazy how in his quest to argue how terrible Biyombo is, he competely removes the “common sense” factors of the draft. A rebuilding team drafting a 26 year old rookie? Good grief.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 3, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Steimsma WASN'T DRAFTED!
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 3, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't know that.
I was wrong. We’re still not in the market for guys like that, because we’re purposely bad.
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Ok Miguel.
I’m glad you were pawning over him last year as someone that could come in and contribute.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 3, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Every bit as much as you were dreaming sweet nothings over Biyombo.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 4, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
No, I wasn't.
I had no idea about who Biyombo was, but Cho did. And I’ve been happy with what I’ve seen from him.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 4, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
Except to make the team better.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 3, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
Right...
Because he wouldn’t have been eligible.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 3, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
Still dont see why we dont
Just grab Morris Almond or Elijah Milsap to play SG. There is NO WORST CASE SCENARIO. But you do give yourself a chance to find a diamond in the ruff. they probably wont even crack 450k…just someone to fill in for Hendo until he or Maggette gets back.
We're at a full squad right now.
Someone would have to go. I think Najera would be a good choice, but I still hope we can use him to snag Morrow.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 3, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
Correct. We're not going to pay someone not to play
So I highly doubt we’re going to buyout Najera (or anyone else) to claim a D-League player to help contribute to a 3-20 team. What’s the point?
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by Bring Back Primoz on Feb 3, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
To make a change for the sake of making one of course.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 3, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
Same three teammate posters
Its not bc they can contribute. But I just dont see them putting that kind of pressure on Matt Carroll…
Same two teammate posters.
You obviously don’t understand the FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS of moves or even give a damn about them. THAT’S WHAT YOU’RE NOT CONSIDERING. Sure, it’s easy to sit here and do moves that cost money for the sake of doing them, but that’s not how the NBA works. It would be GREAT if we could just cut Diop, Carrol, Najera, Boris, and Maggette and just replace them with some D-Leaguers with more upside but that’s MONEY that has to be paid for them and then money that has to be paid to the new players who may or may not work out. You take the “realism” factor out of all of your decision making.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 4, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
You know what "non-guaranteed" means, right?
It means we can cut Higgins today and not pay him another dime.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 4, 2012 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't say anything about Higgins.
I actually have no problem with cutting him. I thought it was questionable signing him in the first place. (See, I’m not always a homer).
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 4, 2012 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
The point would NOT be for them to contribute to a 3-20 team.
It would be to get them on the floor in our system so we could evaluate whether they could be contributors to next year’s 20-win team, or the 30-win team in ’014.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 4, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
We can't afford to cut someone and add another person.
That’s just wasting money. D-League guys are nice to dream about, but it seems like a 1-25 chance they turn out to be a decent player (and I feel I’m being generous with those odds).
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There is NO reason we can't use Higgins' spot in a rotating fashion.
Particularly once the ten-day contract period starts (March 15, I believe.)
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 4, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
If they were to do that, that'd be cool.
But I honestly don’t see there being much of a point to it.
I guess I’m just pessimistic when it comes to D-League players.
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Cory Higgins essentially IS a D-League player.
He was only invited to the Nuggets’ camp because he played at Colorado and was close.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 4, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't realize Higgins wasn't guaranteed
I’m just saying it’s not a financially wise move to waive anyone on a guaranteed contract. Not likely we’ll waive Higgins however.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Feb 4, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
I agree.
Jordan’s not doing that to his godson.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 4, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
Sucks bc
Ben Uzoh is balling like a madman lol… Im wondering is Morrow is still a possibility, He had been balling since that news surfaced
Uzoh's 18-6-5-2 line certainly is impressive.
He’d be a guy I’d be happy to have in Higgins’ spot, but Jordan probably ain’t gonna cut his godson.
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