2012 NBA Free Agency
Our season is pretty much lost. It looks like when our roster is at 100% we'll win a few games here and there, but certainly not enough to even begin thinking about playoffs or anything. Quite frankly, winning a bunch of games at this point may not be a good thing, unless it comes on the wings of Kemba Walker and Bismack Biyombo. If Corey Maggette starts taking games over, and we end up with an 8th pick or something, that actually hinders us in the long run. Of course, the way we've been playing, Gerald Henderson coming back isn't going to change much except perhaps giving us all the much anticipated line up of Cory Higgins, Kemba Walker, Tyrus Thomas, Bismack Biyombo and Byron Mullens.
Anyhoo, many of us have been rosterbating about trades and the upcoming free agency. However, I think some people are grossly undervaluing the players in the free agency and, more importantly, where the Bobcats stand as free agent contenders.
As it stands right now, the most we'll be on the books for next season is 43.2 million. This is with 11 players on the roster. We will have two draft picks to sign for about 5 million total, bringing us up to 48.2 million. We now have 13 players on the roster and 2 spots to fill. So, worst case scenario, we're looking at 10 million to sign us 2 free agents. (Keep in mind, in this scenario, we'll have resigned both DJ Augustin and DJ White for their qualifying offers. We all know this is very unlikely. I'm just showing that, even in the most unlikely scenario, we're doing pretty well for ourselves.)
Best case scenario, we let the DJ's go, freeing up 7.3 million and then somehow get rid of Tyrus' contract for an expiring. Or we amnesty him. Amnestying him isn't the best case scenario for the team, but it is equal in that his salary is cleared from the books. That frees up another 8 million. Now in the BEST BEST BEST case scenario, Diop and Carroll would turn down team options, but we know that's not happening, so let's just use the Tyrus only one. That gives us at a little over 25 million to sign 5 players. We get ourselves two max contract players and that leaves us 3 million to sign 3 role players. Or more, depending on how old the max contract player is. Eric Gordon and Roy Hibbert, for example, can only get 9 million apiece.
The most likely scenario, of course, is that we do nothing with Tyrus but let the DJ's go, Augustin most likely through trade of a draft pick before this season's deadline. That's 18 million to sign 4 players, with only enough for one max contract player. That's ok, too. 2013 and techincally every single player except our 2012 rookie, Tyrus and our 2012 free agents can come off the books if we wanted.
Taking these three scenarios into account - 10 million for 2 players, 25 million for 5 players and 18 million for 4 players, who would you like to see us go after. After the jump is a list of ALL the 2012 free agents and their current salaries, via HoopsHype.
Definition of Options
Player Option – The decision is up to the player. If he invokes the option by June 30th, he is under contract for one more season. If he does nothing, he becomes an unrestricted free agent.
Team Option – The decision is up to the team. If the team invokes the option by June 30th, the player is under contract for one more season. If the team does nothing, the player becomes an unrestricted free agent (if the player has three years or less of experience, the team can still then issue him a Qualifying Offer and make him restricted, but this scenario is unlikely).
Early Termination Option – Slightly different from the Player Option, but the decision is up to the player. If he invokes the option by June 30th, he becomes an unrestricted free agent. If he does nothing, he is under contract for the duration of the original deal.
Point Guard
(name, team – 2011-12 salary – status)
Deron Williams, New Jersey Nets – $16.4 million – Player Option ($17.8 million)
Steve Nash, Phoenix Suns – $11.7 million – Unrestricted
Aaron Brooks, Phoenix Suns – $2.0 million – Restricted ($3.0 million Qualifying Offer)
Raymond Felton, Portland Trail Blazers – $7.6 million – Unrestricted
Kirk Hinrich, Atlanta Hawks – $8.0 million – Unrestricted
Jason Kidd, Dallas Mavericks – $8.6 million – Unrestricted
Andre Miller, Denver Nuggets – $7.8 million – Unrestricted
Chauncey Billups, L.A. Clippers – $2.0 million – Unrestricted
Jameer Nelson, Orlando Magic – $7.8 million – Player Option ($7.8 million)
D.J. Augustin, Charlotte Bobcats – $3.2 million – Restricted ($4.4 million Qualifying Offer)
Jason Terry, Dallas Mavericks – $10.7 million – Unrestricted
George Hill, Indiana Pacers – $2.1 million – Restricted ($3.1 million Qualifying Offer)
Jordan Farmar, New Jersey Nets – $4.0 million – Player Option ($4.3 million)
Leandro Barbosa, Toronto Raptors – $7.6 million – Unrestricted
Beno Udrih, Milwaukee Bucks – $7.0 million – Player Option ($7.4 million)
Goran Dragic, Houston Rockets – $2.1 million – Unrestricted*
Jerryd Bayless, Toronto Raptors – $3.0 million – Restricted ($4.2 million Qualifying Offer)
Derek Fisher, L.A. Lakers – $3.4 million – Player Option ($3.4 million)
Randy Foye, L.A. Clippers – $4.3 million – Unrestricted
Mo Williams, L.A. Clippers – $8.5 million – Player Option ($8.5 million)
Jonny Flynn, Houston Rockets – $3.4 million – Unrestricted
Keyon Dooling, Boston Celtics – $2.2 million – Unrestricted
Ishmael Smith, Orlando Magic – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Ramon Sessions, Cleveland Cavaliers – $4.3 million – Player Option ($4.6 million)
Jeremy Lin, New York Knicks – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Armon Johnson, Portland Trail Blazers – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Sundiata Gaines, New Jersey Nets – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
A.J. Price, Indiana Pacers – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Baron Davis, New York Knicks – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Royal Ivey, Oklahoma City Thunder – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
John Lucas, Chicago Bulls – $0.9 million – Unrestricted
Jannero Pargo, Atlanta Hawks – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Delonte West, Dallas Mavericks – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Walker Russell, Jr., Detroit Pistons – $0.4 million – Unrestricted*
Darius Morris, L.A. Lakers – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Terrell Harris, Miami HEAT – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Carldell Johnson, New Orleans Hornets – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
DeAndre Liggins, Orlando Magic – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Ronnie Price, Phoenix Suns – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
T.J. Ford, San Antonio Spurs – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Anthony Carter, Toronto Raptors – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Roger Mason, Washington Wizards – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Jamaal Tinsley, Utah Jazz – $1.2 million – Team Option ($1.3 million)
Shooting Guard
(name, team – 2011-12 salary – status)
Eric Gordon, New Orleans Hornets – $3.8 million – Restricted ($5.1 million Qualifying Offer)
O.J. Mayo, Memphis Grizzlies – $5.6 million – Restricted ($7.4 million Qualifying Offer)
Ray Allen, Boston Celtics – $10.0 million – Unrestricted
Landry Fields, New York Knicks – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Carlos Delfino, Milwaukee Bucks – $3.5 million – Unrestricted
Nick Young, Washington Wizards – $3.7 million – Unrestricted
Jamal Crawford, Portland Trail Blazers – $5.0 million – Player Option ($5.2 million)
Louis Williams, Philadelphia 76ers – $5.2 million – Early Termination Option ($5.4 million)
Mickael Pietrus, Boston Celtics – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
Courtney Lee, Houston Rockets – $2.2 million – Restricted ($3.2 million Qualifying Offer)
Rudy Fernandez, Denver Nuggets – $2.2 million – Restricted ($3.2 million Qualifying Offer)
DeShawn Stevenson, New Jersey Nets – $2.5 million – Unrestricted
Damion James, New Jersey Nets – $1.2 million – Unrestricted*
C.J. Miles, Utah Jazz – $3.7 million – Unrestricted
Shannon Brown, Phoenix Suns – $3.5 million – Unrestricted
Josh Howard, Utah Jazz – $2.2 million – Unrestricted
Terrence Williams, Houston Rockets – $2.4 million – Unrestricted*
Jodie Meeks, Philadelphia 76ers – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Marco Belinelli, New Orleans Hornets – $3.4 million – Unrestricted
James Anderson, San Antonio Spurs – $1.5 million – Unrestricted*
Matt Carroll, Charlotte Bobcats – $3.9 million – Early Termination Option ($3.5 million)
Brandon Rush, Golden State Warriors – $3.0 million – Restricted ($4.1 million Qualifying Offer)
Alonzo Gee, Cleveland Cavaliers – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Danny Green, San Antonio Spurs – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Tracy McGrady, Atlanta Hawks – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Jerry Stackhouse, Atlanta Hawks – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Willie Green, Atlanta Hawks – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
Jason Kapono, L.A. Lakers – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
Marquis Daniels, Boston Celtics – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
Sasha Pavlovic, Boston Celtics – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
Cory Higgins, Charlotte Bobcats – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Anthony Parker, Cleveland Cavaliers – $2.3 million – Unrestricted
Travis Leslie, L.A. Clippers – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Keith Bogans, New Jersey Nets – $0.8 million – Unrestricted
Michael Redd, Phoenix Suns – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Mo Evans, Washington Wizards – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
Small Forward
(name, team – 2011-12 salary – status)
Gerald Wallace, Portland Trail Blazers – $10.5 million – Player Option ($10.5 million)
Nic Batum, Portland Trail Blazers – $2.2 million – Restricted ($3.2 million Qualifying Offer)
Chase Budinger, Houston Rockets – $0.9 million – Team Option ($0.9 million)
Wilson Chandler, Denver Nuggets – $2.1 million – Restricted ($3.1 million Qualifying Offer)
Grant Hill, Phoenix Suns – $6.5 million – Unrestricted
Sam Young, Memphis Grizzlies – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Matt Barnes, L.A. Lakers – $1.9 million – Unrestricted
Andres Nocioni, Philadelphia 76ers – $6.7 million – Team Option ($7.5 million)
Anthony Tolliver, Minnesota Timberwolves – $2.1 million – Unrestricted
Donte’ Greene, Sacramento Kings – $2.0 million – Restricted ($3.0 million Qualifying Offer)
Bill Walker, New York Knicks – $0.9 million – Unrestricted
Devin Ebanks, L.A. Lakers – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Dahntay Jones, Indiana Pacers – $2.7 million – Player Option ($2.9 million)
Jeremy Evans, Utah Jazz – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Eduardo Najera, Charlotte Bobcats – $2.8 million – Unrestricted
Derrick Brown, Charlotte Bobcats – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Damien Wilkins, Detroit Pistons – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Dominic McGuire, Golden State Warriors – $0.9 million – Unrestricted
Chris Wright, Golden State Warriors – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Trey Thompkins, L.A. Clippers – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
DaJuan Summers, New Orleans Hornets – $0.8 million – Unrestricted
Steve Novak, New York Knicks – $1.0 million – Unrestricted
Rasual Butler, Toronto Raptors – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
Power Forward
(name, team – 2011-12 salary – status)
Kevin Garnett, Boston Celtics – $21.2 million – Unrestricted
Tim Duncan, San Antonio Spurs – $21.2 million – Unrestricted
Michael Beasley, Minnesota Timberwolves – $6.3 million – Restricted ($8.2 million Qualifying Offer)
Brandon Bass, Boston Celtics – $4.3 million – Player Option ($4.3 million)
Kris Humphries, New Jersey Nets – $8.0 million – Unrestricted
Kenyon Martin, L.A. Clippers – $2.5 million – Unrestricted
Carl Landry, New Orleans Hornets – $8.5 million – Unrestricted
J.J. Hickson, Sacramento Kings – $2.4 million – Restricted ($3.4 million Qualifying Offer)
Elton Brand, Philadelphia 76ers – $17.1 million – Early Termination Option ($18.2 million)
Antawn Jamison, Cleveland Cavaliers – $15.1 million – Unrestricted
Shawne Williams, New Jersey Nets – $3.0 million – Player Option ($3.1 million)
Jason Thompson, Sacramento Kings – $3.0 million – Restricted ($4.1 million Qualifying Offer)
Marreese Speights, Philadelphia 76ers – $2.8 million – Restricted ($3.8 million Qualifying Offer)
Ryan Anderson, Orlando Magic – $2.2 million – Restricted ($3.2 million Qualifying Offer)
D.J. White, Charlotte Bobcats – $2.0 million – Restricted ($3.0 million Qualifying Offer)
Anthony Randolph, Minnesota Timberwolves – $2.9 million – Restricted ($4.0 million Qualifying Offer)
Ronny Turiaf, Washington Wizards – $4.4 million – Unrestricted
Troy Murphy, L.A. Lakers – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Boris Diaw, Charlotte Bobcats – $9.0 million – Unrestricted
Chris Wilcox, Boston Celtics – $3.0 million – Unrestricted
Ersan Ilyasova, Milwaukee Bucks – $2.5 million – Unrestricted
Darrell Arthur, Memphis Grizzlies – $2.0 million – Restricted ($3.0 million Qualifying Offer)
Louis Amundson, Indiana Pacers – $2.4 million – Unrestricted
Jason Maxiell, Detroit Pistons – $5.0 million – Player Option ($5.0 million)
Jordan Hill, Houston Rockets – $2.9 million – Unrestricted*
Craig Brackins, Phildelphia 76ers – $1.4 million – Unrestricted*
Chris Johnson, Portland Trail Blazers – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Derrick Caracter, L.A. Lakers – $0.8 million – Unrestricted
Brian Cook, L.A. Clippers – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Ian Mahinmi, Dallas Mavericks – $0.9 million – Unrestricted
Earl Clark, Orlando Magic – $1.2 million – Player Option ($1.2 million)
Luke Harangody, Cleveland Cavaliers – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Vladimir Radmanovic, Atlanta Hawks – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Ivan Johnson, Atlanta Hawks – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Brian Scalabrine, Chicago Bulls – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Brian Cardinal, Dallas Mavericks – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Yi Jianlian, Dallas Mavericks – $0.8 million – Unrestricted
Vernon Macklin, Detroit Pistons – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Reggie Evans, L.A. Clippers – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
Juwan Howard, Miami HEAT – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Shelden Williams, New Jersey Nets – $1.0 million – Unrestricted
Jared Jeffries, New York Knicks – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
Francisco Elson, Philadelphia 76ers – $0.9 million – Unrestricted
Lavoy Allen, Philadelphia 76ers – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Jeremy Evans, Utah Jazz – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Center
(name, team – 2011-12 salary – status)
Dwight Howard, Orlando Magic – $18.1 million – Early Termination Option ($19.5 million)
Roy Hibbert, Indiana Pacers – $2.6 million – Restricted ($3.7 million Qualifying Offer)
Andrew Bynum, L.A. Lakers – $14.9 million – Team Option ($16.1 million)
Brook Lopez, New Jersey Nets – $3.1 million – Restricted ($4.2 million Qualifying Offer)
Chris Kaman, New Orleans Hornets – $12.7 million – Unrestricted
JaVale McGee, Washington Wizards – $2.5 million – Restricted ($3.5 million Qualifying Offer)
Marcus Camby, Portland Trail Blazers – $12.9 million – Unrestricted
Spencer Hawes, Philadelphia 76ers – $4.1 million – Unrestricted
Kwame Brown, Golden State Warriors – $6.8 million – Unrestricted
Aaron Gray, Toronto Raptors – $2.5 million – Unrestricted
Robin Lopez, Phoenix Suns – $2.8 million – Restricted ($4.0 million Qualifying Offer)
Jermaine O’Neal, Boston Celtics – $6.2 million – Unrestricted
Nazr Mohammed, Oklahoma City Thunder – $3.8 million – Unrestricted
Omer Asik, Chicago Bulls – $1.9 million – Unrestricted*
Semih Erden, Cleveland Cavaliers – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Ben Wallace, Detroit Pistons – $2.2 million – Unrestricted
Hamed Haddadi, Memphis Grizzlies – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Mehmet Okur, New Jersey Nets – $10.9 million – Unrestricted
Jeff Foster, Indiana Pacers – $3.0 million – Unrestricted
Greg Stiemsma, Boston Celtics – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Daniel Orton, Orlando Magic – $1.1 million – Unrestricted*
Solomon Alabi, Toronto Raptors – $0.8 million – Team Option ($0.9 million)
Hasheem Thabeet, Houston Rockets – $5.1 million – Unrestricted*
DeSagana Diop, Charlotte Bobcats – $6.9 million – Player Option ($7.4 million)
Ryan Hollins, Cleveland Cavaliers – $2.5 million – Unrestricted
Jason Collins, Atlanta Haws – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Eddy Curry, Miami HEAT – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
Tony Battie, Philadelphia 76ers – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Greg Oden, Portland Trail Blazers – $1.5 million – Unrestricted
Jamaal Magloire, Toronto Raptors – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
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IMPORTANT CORRECTION:
Max contracts for 6 or under are 9 million or 25% of the salary cap, whichever is more. The salary cap is 58.044 million, meaning max contracts for a guy like Roy Hibbert or Eric Gordon could be as much as 14.5 million. However, that’s Derrick Rose money.
Likewise, a 7-9 player is 11 million or 30%, which is more whic is 17.4132. Derrick Rose got that much money per season, over four seasons. (averaged out). They made a rule especially for Derrick Rose (Russell Westbrook and, probably Blake Griffin) that says if a player coming off their rookie contract made 2 all star appearances, 2 all nba appearences or won an MVP, they could be qualified for the 30% level.
My choices
With the DJ’s, Boris, Eddie and D-Brown gone, our primary concern becomes PG and FC. We can address PF in the draft but given our estimated position, any PG in the top 10 would be a reach at this point. Marquis Teague of Kentucky and Austin Rivers of Duke, though, are steadily increasing their draft status after early season falls.
However, with Kemba Walker improving, it’s most likely that we’ll consider him our PG going forward, so our focus then becomes a vetran PG in free agency to continue to help Kemba develop and then whoever can help our team the most. If we move Biz to PF, he and our draft pick can hold that spot, but we still need to address C, our weakest position by right now with Biz still developing. SF and SG also need to be addressed, but aren’t our top priorities this offseason.
There’s no way Dwight Howard isn’t using his player option, whether he stays or is traded to a contender, unless of course he somehow gets traded to a bad team. Mostly because he won’t be able to make 20 million a season under the new CBA for another 3 years. Deron Williams, on the other hand, can make just as much as he’s making right now if a team thinks he’s worth a max contract, which I think he is.
So, anyway, with a veteran point guard in mind, here is who I would like us to go after.
Worst Case scenario – 10 million on 2 players, no PG needed. Whether we draft a FC (Barnes, Sullinger, Robinson) or a GF (MKG, Barnes), we still need a true center. Spend as much a we can on Roy Hibbert and put him on a backloaded contract heading on up into the 12 million range by the third season. Use whatever is left over to sign anyone we can. If we have to use an exception to do so, may as well, we’ll only be over the cap, but under the tax level, for one season.
If we can’t land Hibbert, we turn our attention to someone else. Eric Gordon, OJ Mayo, Brook Lopez, Nick Young, or we just sign a vet for one season and prepare for 2013. Greg Oden?
Best Case scenario – Hibbert should be our top priority. We also need a veteran PG. We should try to address the SF position. SG can become an option if we can get Gordon or Nick Young, Hendo becomes expendable or sent to the bench. We can get Mayo for cheaper and still start Hendo, giving us proven bench scoring.
Sign Hibbert and Gordon for 10-11 million apiece, more if necessary. If we can’t get Gordon, or need to give Hibbert 12 million, so be it. Take on Kirk Heinrich or Andre Miller for 5 million, or as little as they’ll take. Neither is getting 8 million ever again. Hibbert and vet PG taking up 17-18 million, leaving us still 7 million for 3 roster spots. We can load up on role players, or get a mid level starter. I’d like to see how much a guy like Wilson Chandler is worth.
Most likely scenario – 18 million, 4 players – we have enough for one max contract, maybe two 8 million guys. I’d rather use the max contract b/c we’ll still get tons of cap space going into 2013. So, basically, we just offer Hibbert or Gordon or Williams or Bynum if the Lakers get Howard as much as they want. We then get our veteran pg, heinrich or miller or even lord knows raymond felton if it came down to it.
Indiana is in good position to resign Hibbert, but they’ll basically have to go over the cap to fill a team of 15 if they sign Hibbert for more than us.
Other players in free agency for 2012 include:
Boston – who can basically sign anyone they want for however much they want. If they get rid of Pierce, this will be where Eric Gordon winds up. Probably where Hibbert winds up, too, if they lose out on Dwight. No secret they want Dwight Howard.
Cleveland – will have space to make some noise but only one piece to build around in Kyrie Irving, will be harder to draw free agents than Charlotte
Dallas – half their team has non-guarunteed contracts, will be the biggest players in FA. Are set at PF and SF, but those are the least filled positions. Deron Williams’ most likely destination, but could sign Howard, too. Don’t care about cap, but have room to work regardless. Will spend all of their cap space on premier free agents and then use exceptions to fill out the roster.
Denver – room to play, but set at most positions. Need a PG.
Houston – betting the farm on Deron Williams/CP3/Dwight Howard/Andrew Bynum – could make noise this offseason but are clearly positioning themselves for 2013. Can basically sign anyone they want this season or next.
Minnesota – will have some playing room if they don’t resign Beasley and excersize options against Webster and Miller. Kevin Love, Rubio and Barea would make a lot of people ignore the cold
Brooklyn Nets – if Deron Williams decides to stay, they become a nice destination. Regardless, the move to Brooklyn will help them out to. Also betting the farm on Dwight/Deron/CP3
New Orleans – Nobody is gonna sign with this team. Nobody.
Phoenix – lots of cash but no one to build it around
Portland – wildcard free agent destination
San Antonio – too many holes to fill to be contenders for a premier free agent
Toronto – room to play, decent players, but will anyone want to play in Canada?
Washington – pretty much identical situation as the Bobcats
If Deron Williams and Dwight Howard opt out this offseason, everyone is going to be clamoring after them. That’s when we swoop in and take the second level guys before the dust settles. :-D
i think "pretty much lost" is the understatement of the century
nice analysis though
Boone Logan is a good boy. So is David Robertson. Team A.J.
lol i was trying to be nice :-D
i’ve been so hard on the bobcats lately i figured it was time for a change of pace
Again I think
Some needs can be covered in the Draft…
Davis overtakes Diaw’s spot…
I’ve been reading up on Tomas Santoransky from the Spanish League. And from what I read, he seems to be the perfect fit here. He is a 6’7 PG.
i suggested him as our second round pick before
if he falls that far, as usual with european players, he’s all over the place in mock drafts
he’d be a fine pick, though, based on what little i know about him
I dont think he's gonna fall that far
He reminds me of Dragic…
If we can get him with our 2nd round pick and leave him overseas, that'd be fine with me.
If you disagree with my opinion, I will take it personally.
by Panthers FTW on Feb 17, 2012 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
A 6'7 PG?
That’s MY Player on 2K12.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 22, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
I also check out this kid the other day
tony wroten also is on my list
i want a pg with lenght that would compliment kemba.
will give us a very good option on both defending both guards and posting up smaller guards.
WE NEVER SHOULD HAVE EXTENDED HENDERSON ON THAT ROOKIE CONTRACT!!!111??1?11?!!!
THAT WUZ ARE BIGEST MISTAKE!!!!!
Sarcasm...
sometimes we need to be able to determine it without the special font
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by andrewlail76 on Feb 21, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
according to rod higgins, the bobcats are looking to make moves this offseason in free agency
"It’s up to us to go out and get that player, or those players, to help turn this team around," Higgins said recently.
Yes
that should signify that we will be major players in FA. Win or Lose, I hope Maggette and Diaw continue to Perform at a high level. Well, I dont really care about Diaw. He is expiring anyway. I hope Maggs continues to put up 20pt games. I also want to see him get a 40 or 30pt game just to further raise his stock….
Jeremy Lin is going to be an UFA?
Give him $8 million a year to be our PG of the future.
If you disagree with my opinion, I will take it personally.
Lol. +1
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 22, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
if he keeps playing the way he is
he’s gonna be worth more than 8 million to someone
But he is only eligible to make $5 million/season
Because had he been drafted, he would still be on his rookie deal and this stops the loophole of someone like Lin getting paid more than the #1 pick. In actuality, NY can easily keep him by offering him the midlevel exception. Because no one else can offer more and NY can still match them.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Feb 17, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
i don't think it matters
if an undrafted player received a gaurunteed contract or not, so he would be entering what would be his “third” season, and under the new cba, out of rookie scale contracts
thus he is able to sign for any amount 25% of the salary cap or less
maybe i’m wrong, but this is how i’ve interpreted the rookie scale rule
I've read a lot of columns saying approximately $5 million is all he can get
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by Bring Back Primoz on Feb 17, 2012 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
More info here
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7583558/nba-how-new-york-knicks-keep-jeremy-lin
Key point: "Teams are limited in the amounts they can offer to restricted free agents with fewer than three years in the league. This rule is called the “Gilbert Arenas provision,” named after the point guard following Arenas’ move from Golden State to Washington in 2003. Even though Arenas was a restricted free agent and the Warriors had the opportunity to keep him, the team did not have the means under the salary cap to match the offer sheet he received from the Wizards. At the time, Arenas had played two seasons in the league, and like the Knicks currently, could offer only the mid-level exception.
The Arenas provision was added to the rulebook in 2005, restricting the offers that teams can make to restricted free agents with one or two years in the league. Under the Arenas provision, the first-year salary in an offer sheet can’t exceed the mid-level exception, which ensures that the Knicks will have the means to match any offer that Lin may receive."
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by Bring Back Primoz on Feb 17, 2012 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
i'm sorry, the free agent list had him listed him as unrestricted
but he has an asterisk next to his name, meaning New York can decide whether or not he is a restricted or unrestricted free agent
this is what i was confused about
but it is cleary stated here:
Players marked with an asterisk are not on rookie scale contracts (for former first-round picks) but are eligible for restricted free agency as a player with three years or less of NBA experience. Players finishing their rookie scale contracts are marked as restricted until decided otherwise and their Qualifying Offer is listed. Teams needed to officially issue that Offer by June 30, 2012, to make the player restricted.
Yeah, this is a complicated situation
Lots of NBA gurus were struggling with what Lin could get offered this offseason but the league came out and backed up what I posted above.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Feb 18, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
it's a silly rule
to be able to decide whether or not your contract that you already offered could be restricted after the fact
why not sign Lin?
We would be on ESPN every night.. have a global market.. he is better than kemba at this point
"I don’t want to shoot my mouth in my foot, but those are games we can win."
however...
saying that, i wouldnt sign him haha.. I always have felt the first year in league for a PG is a learning year. Not many point guards have dominated in their first year. Thats why I am so enamored by the way Kyrie Irving is playing
"I don’t want to shoot my mouth in my foot, but those are games we can win."
it's not lin's first year
and new york can just make him restricted and match any offer we give, which they will
On the serious, after looking at that FA list, that's a pretty uninspiring group of players.
The only FA I can see fitting in our current plans are Jamison (as this community has already covered) and Terrence Williams, only if he accepts a reasonable deal ($4 million, 2 years).
If you disagree with my opinion, I will take it personally.
With the amount of playing time he got over the last two seasons
he shouldnt be that much… I still like Dragic. But he might get a decent pay day. The Suns need to take him back.
That's my reasoning.
I know we all pick on you for your T-Will love, but I can recognize he’s a pretty talented guy. Considering how low his stock his right now and how much of a dearth of talent we have, he’s a decent option as someone to pick up as a cheap FA.
(And if he thrives, could be a good trade chip if he ends up costing us too much when his contract expires.)
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by Panthers FTW on Feb 17, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with what you are saying...
his stock is very low and one good season isnt gonna raise him up to a MAX deal. He probably has about two years to prove himself before he can consider big money. He can get those minutes here.
Nicolas Batum's agent:
“When Batum becomes a restricted free agent, we’ll look at the other 29 teams before we talk to the Blazers. The Blazers had their chance.”
this is good news
he could be one of those trickle down players
i would love him or nick young
Batum was pretty mad about the Gerald Wallace trade at the time. He may go east coast.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 22, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
With Cho on board here
I wouldn’t be shocked to see us make a run at Batum and/or Oden. Batum would be option number 1 here, and that could be appealing. Oden is a favorite of Mr. Cho, so I could see a 2 year incentive laden deal being offered to him. I’ve seen stranger things…
Oden can be a beast when healthy
I wouldn’t mind doing what you said and offering an incentive laden deal with a low base salary. It could be a very low risk, very high reward type of deal for us.
"can be a beast"
but when has he ever been healthy??
he has blood clots
that are related from the first surgery
that’s not something that i would label as an injury, just unfortunate circumstances, like when people get staff infections from surgeries. it’s merely delayed his second surgery. the first one, aside from the clots, was supposedly a success and the second one is less significant
some have talked about Oden having to prove himself in the D-League, but if we put him on a non guaranteed contract, I don’t mind seeing if he can stay healthy enough to play, although it’s not likely he’ll be ready by camp
i don’t mean to disrespect you weezy, but ball don’t lie is the last place anyone should be getting legitimate news from, they’re gawdawful
STOP STOP ADAM STOP STOP
STOP. Please. Amazing how Im labeled as “irrational” but people still talk about Oden. WHO WAS DRAFTED IN 05???? He hasnt played 100games in 7yrs? Stop. How is this in the least bit rational at all? If we get Oden, then we are def going to contract. That would be the worst decision since drafting Adam Morrison.
how does it hurt us
to give him a minimum contract? if he plays half the season, he’ll still contribute more than desagana diop
lay off the caps there junior
2005?
You sure about that? check your facts
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We give him a very small, non-guaranteed contract
He can’t stay healthy, we cut him. He can stay healthy, we have a potential stud in the post for cheap.
Low risk, high reward.
He just had another microfracture surgery today
I’d say a good chance he is done.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Feb 20, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
I don't see how any man as big as he is with three knee surgeries can't not retire.
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by Panthers FTW on Feb 21, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
his agent said he currently has no intentions of retiring
but we’ll see what happens when he tries to play basketball again
I feel bad for him
But this is his third microfracture surgery. His odds are not good.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Feb 21, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
oh i agree
but if he does come back, it costs us nothing to put him on a nonguaranteed contract
Why though
whats the point of doing that? Its a waste. Its plenty of centers in the league.
isn't it obvious?
beneath all his injuries is one of the top centers in the nba
he’s still young and he has the talent, he just can’t get on the court
although it’s a moot point as i read that he’ll likely be out until the END of next season
How do you know this?
When has he played a stretch of games long enough to even make this assumption? Beneath the injuries? He’s always injured. I’d rather have Chris Wilcox or Chris Anderson over him at this point.
from college
and the 82 games he actually did play, 71 of which were consecutive over a two season stretch
how could you NOT know Greg Oden would have been a good player? just check out the games he actually played when he was healthy – double double machine, blocking machine and could shoot free throws
College doesnt count 5yrs later
Im just saying that players like Anthony Randolph, Fab Melo, Chris Johnson, Mareese Speights, Mahimi and SEAN not Shawne Williams will be available and probably alot cheaper. I mean We are gonna have Davis and BB right? So why spend that much on ONE player in their position even if it is for one season. We have other needs that it seem some are trying to avoid.
Feb Melo
Festus Ezeli and Sean Williams and probably Mahimi will be. Its no need to waste money on Oden. If he turns out good for another team, then thats the way the cookie crumbles but I hope we dont take that risk…I dont care the cost
those players, presumably would be drafted
so they’re going to cost more than a 1 year non guarunteed minimum contract
there NO cost, that’s what you’re not getting… just like Eddie Najera is our 15th man, if Oden doesn’t pan out, he would be our 15th man, just taking up roster space that we have to fill anyway and will never touch the floor
I guarantee that Portland is looking to use their insurance thingy on him...
like they did with Roy…
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by andrewlail76 on Feb 21, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Ersan Ilyasova, Milwaukee Bucks – $2.5 million – Unrestricted
very good player
very good.
But after that 25 and 24 game, I dont know how high his price tag is gonna be. Im looking at 6+

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