Realistic trade-Bobcats help bring Pau to Houston We get 3 1sts
by Alexis Jones on Feb 14, 2012 8:55 PM EST
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PrintGuys I know I'm a little unrealistic most times but that's because I want this team to win. You can't have a bunch of role players. You need a superstar and a #2 that can be #1 on most teams. Anyway I came up with this trade.
L.A. doesn't want to trade Pau unless it solves their pg issue and we all know Gilbert Arenas isn't the answer.
Lakers trade Pau Gasol Luke Walton/Metta World Peace/2012 Dallas 1st/2 2012 2nds/Devin Ebanks
Gets Luis Scola/Michael Beasley/DJ Augustine/Boris Diaw/Matt Carroll
Houston trades Luis Scola/Kevin Martin/2012 Knicks 1st
Gets Pau Gasol/Devin Ebanks/2 2nds from Lakers
MIN trades Michael Beasley/Brad Miller/2012 Utah 1st
Gets Kevin Martin/2012 Bobcats 2nd round pick
Bobcats trade Dj Augustine/Boris Diaw/Matt Carroll
Gets Luke Walton/Metta World Peace/Brad Miller/2012 Dallas 1st/2012 Knicks 1st/2012 Utah 1st
Why they do it
Lakers get Beasley who Kobe mentors which is a huge upgrade at sf. They also get a pg. A solid and cheaper replacement for Pau and tons of cap space.They will also save 3 million this year.
Houston gets Pau who they want badly w/o giving up Lowry. They also get back more than a million less and with their cap space they can get a center and more pieces.
MIN gets the scoring 2 and can finally make Derrick Williams feel less of a caged animal.
Metta has already expressed his desire to not wanting to play for the Bobcats when the idea was brought up last season. He is crazy enough to leave 15 million on the table, but I think the Nets to fill out their roster will probably give him 3/12 after he declines his player option. Bobcats will still have the mid level exception to sign Jamison while taking on Miller and Walton's contract. We will have 4 1st draft picks.
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We could possibly trade Najeria/Brown/Higgins/send $700,000 for 2012 Houston pick/Farmer/absorb Petro into Livingston tpe/Shawne Williams. Farmer could start or be a really good back up his per is currently 19.1. Bring our 2012 total draft picks to 5. We could build a new starting roster but we shouldn’t put all our eggs into this draft. We should trade 2 of the picks and 2 of the combination of Walker/Hendo/Bismack for a top 5 pick. Then trade the remaining 2 for next years draft and try to walk away with 2 players of this combination of Drummonds/Rivers/Noel/Shabazz Muhammed. We also would still have the Maggette expiring.
Email it to Cho.
the only think I dont kike is the combination of players you want us to pick…And somewhere along the way, I’d try to move Tyrus.
We could possibly trade Tyrus for Villunova and a 2nd
he has one less year than Tyrus. You don’t like Andre Dummonds Austin Rivers Nerlens Noel or Shabazz Muhammed? Drummonds and Rivers going back another year would tremendously improve them. Muhammed has been projected the #1 overall pick for like 2 3 years now. Nerlens Noel is compared to Bill Russell.
by Alexis Jones on Feb 15, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
I like that Idea of Charlie V for Tyrus and a 2nd
Im sorry my dude…I was thinkin it was saying takin them this year…my bad…Reading is fundamental huh?
I mean even if this worked Michael Jordan can't be trusted to make good picks
Hopefully Cho changes all that, but damn I was depressed when I was reviewing our draft picks during Jordan’s tenure.
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Charlotte recieves cash
just found out Walton and Peace gets a trade bonus
Question who should get the Bobcats 2nd
T-Wolves or Rockets?
Seems like a lot of picks for little value given up.
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We take on Walton Peace and Miller's contracts
for expirings. They could put Scola’s contract in their tpe and will only have a little bit over 6 million for the luxury tax. No doubt we would received the Dallas pick. Minny would probably trade the pick since Kahn has said they don’t want any more projects anyway. The Rockets would give the Knicks pick to the lakers and the Lakers would give it to us for taking on Peace’s and Walton’s contract. I know the Lakers need youth but if you got a chance to save 11million extra dollars for the luxury tax you do it. Next season if Fisher doesn’t pick up his option the Lakers salary will be at just a little bit over 53 million with a 61 million cap. That’s enough to get them a decent free agent plus they will have the mid level exception. To sum it up we just take on bad contracts and get the draft picks.
Lakers get their pg, and cap space
Houston gets Gasol
Minny gets their 2 guard
Bobcats get 1sts
by Alexis Jones on Feb 15, 2012 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
Ok, I can see it.
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I don't see us trading away expirings
To bring back the contracts of Metta and Walton. Just don’t see it.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Feb 15, 2012 9:30 AM EST reply actions
Yeah...
I would wager that the plan is to get out from under contracts and move forward
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by andrewlail76 on Feb 15, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
those contracts expire at the end of next season
and won’t add enough to the books to prevent us from signing a big name free agent this offseason if we’re able to
so basically, they don’t change our plans any, unless Metta World Peace excersizes his two year player option, then it sucks.
Am I the only one that thinks that...
MJ may have a heart to heart at the end of the season with Diop and Carroll to make an offer to them to NOT exercise their player option?
IF they took it and we had them off the books along with Diaw and Najera…that equals roughly…$24 mil…
Just imagine CP3 and Howard in Charlotte. I know that’s beyond a stretch, but the money would be there…
CP3/Kemba
Hendo/Williams
Maggette/D. Brown
Biz/Mullens
Howard/Anthony Davis
I make an offer to DJ White to stay…and I start shopping…perhaps I get a 1st rounder for Augustin and I draft Barnes
Then:
CP3/Kemba
Hendo/Williams
Maggette/Barnes/D. Brown
Biz/Mullens
Howard/Anthony Davis
I amnestied Tyrus Thomas by the way…
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by andrewlail76 on Feb 15, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
i can't see diop or carroll
turning down money they’ll never get close to again
regardless of what kind of “heart to heart” jordan has with them… not to mention, i doubt the player’s association would allow that
he knew what he was getting into when he brought them over
i think by heart to heart
he meant pay them off the record to get them off of our cap
Correct
EXACTLY what I meant by “make an offer”
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by andrewlail76 on Feb 21, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
I could def see Carroll being offered
a job with the organization. But I def cant see why Diop would turn that kind of money down.
a lifetime supply of jordan posters
can change a man
Seems a bit unrealistic...
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I stated "beyond a stretch"
but bits and pieces make some sense…
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by andrewlail76 on Feb 21, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7y79kqm
Lakers and Rockets give us their firsts…
Hendo can get us a first…Im sure of it. Im actually pretty confident he can land us a top ten if we trade him to Minny or Cleveland (Dont know if Cleveland wants him tho). But I know Minny will take him…
Rockets are not giving up Lowry
unless Deron Williams signs an extension with them.
by Alexis Jones on Feb 15, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
I love this trade!
Like u said, Artest would most likely leave money on the table and leave…not to mention Luke Walton ALMOST retired this year because of his injuries and that was with the thought of another ring…i’d bet u he would retire in a heartbeat if he came to Charlotte!
Here’s how I look at it….we swap Carroll for Brad Miller, which would give us another big man instead of relying on Diop…we also know that DJ and Diaw won’t be here next year, so why not get THREEEE 1st rounders for them
With possibly the #1 overall pick, we could take anthony davis…then try and trade up with our other picks to take either Harrison Barnes or Kidd-Gilchrist…that would be a dream come true!!!
And we still have our amnesty to use on diop, tyrus, or maggs….i’d prefer to save it for tyrus after next year, when diop and maggs came off the books….then we could go after somebody like a james harden or another young SG
PG-Kemba
SG-Harden/Hendo
SF-Barnes or Kidd-Gilchrist
PF-Anthony Davis
C-Bismack/Mullins
what a great young team that could be!
Not a fan of Harden starting
I watched 1 game a few weeks ago and he isn’t Lamar Odom where he could be a starter he is best suited for a 6th man role. He would command like 8-9 million.
by Alexis Jones on Feb 15, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
whoa
completely disagree. James Harden is a star. Put him on our team and he is easily our best player and would average 20, 5, and 5. You watched 1 GAME and are convinced he isnt LO. One game means nothing in a 82 game season (in this case 66). Everyone has off game. Harden plays his best in games against elite opponents. He is third option on that team because of KD and turnover westbrook.
"I don’t want to shoot my mouth in my foot, but those are games we can win."
He was filling in for Selfolasha(spelling)
for at least 3 games and the commentors kept saying he was struggling as a starter so I’m assuming they watched the other games. I like Harden a lot but I think he is a 6th man. It could just be the Thunder’s system though.
by Alexis Jones on Feb 15, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Ginobli is a 6th man..
"I don’t want to shoot my mouth in my foot, but those are games we can win."
the only thing i don't like about this trade
is metta world peace has a 2 YEAR player option so he could stick around past 2013, when we really need that cap space – he’ll make 14.5 million over those two seasons
at the same time, i suppose there are worse players we could be paying 14 million to (cough tyrus thomas cough)
some have suggested he’ll leave for a contender, and maybe so, but with the new CBA he’s going to be making less money
and yes, no matter what, we have to move tyrus thomas somehow
You do know this is Ron Artest right?
The Nets could give him a 3 year 12 million dollar contract. Artest has said plenty of times it’s not about money it’s about winning.
by Alexis Jones on Feb 15, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
he said that about the lakers too
and yet still he has a two year team option on a backloaded contract
1st who are the Bobcats going to attract besides sorry players and Antwan Jamison?
Metta has already stated he does not want to play in Charlotte and a contender could give him the mle. Bibby did it last year. Nobody wants to play in Charlotte, New Orleans, Washington, or Detroit.
go after jeremy lin
haha i know its been 6 games. but think about the amount of charlotte bobcats jerseys that will be worn in china and thailand. He will give us worldwide recognition. Yes he is better then Kemba at this point in his career. By the way, Lin dominated Kemba in their only matchup in college. I am obviously kidding about going after Lin because everyone knows he will stay in NYC after this year because they gave him his only shot. Anyone who says he isnt legit is ignorant.
"I don’t want to shoot my mouth in my foot, but those are games we can win."
my point exactly
look I am from charlotte, I have said before and will say again. cap space attracting players = not happening….. in charlotte.
we need guys under contract who can flourish when given ample minuets. this will then attract players here, if they believe in the product as displayed.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=87sfmrh
"..and we have scott may coming back this season.." bob johnson quote before the start of 07-08 season, when he didnt even know his own players name.
by bobcatsbrendan on Feb 15, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
in this example
you have young guys under contract a few years to grow here. sure the trade might favor us, but its not about the exact trade. this is just one of many potential deals with WORTHY guys who could be c charlotte bobcat by the time it turns around.
"..and we have scott may coming back this season.." bob johnson quote before the start of 07-08 season, when he didnt even know his own players name.
by bobcatsbrendan on Feb 15, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
Cracks me up
How the Jazz trade Kanter and Jeremy Evans. Get DJ Augustin and Hendo straight up…….and come out with negative win projections. Wow. Ouch.
by mives36 on Feb 15, 2012 5:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
how did i miss this trade love it
I would love kanter dude is a beast but he is untouchable.
by Alexis Jones on Feb 22, 2012 3:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Or Minnesota, or Sacramento, or Denver, or Philly, or Orlando, or etc......
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 16, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
heres another
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7vu8jsy
utah gets a cap savings of 9 mill & they get to play derrick favors now. indy get a center if roy hibbert gets emeka okafor money elsewhere this summer, and we get a 27 year old young vet and a center.
"..and we have scott may coming back this season.." bob johnson quote before the start of 07-08 season, when he didnt even know his own players name.
Hahahaha. Love this!
Quick!! Get on the hirn with Utah! They must know immediately that by giving up only Paul Milsap, Enes Kanter, and Alec Burks they can bring in THE Boris Diaw?!?!????!!
by mives36 on Feb 15, 2012 5:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I mean really..
What's not to love?
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"..and we have scott may coming back this season.." bob johnson quote before the start of 07-08 season, when he didnt even know his own players name.
people don't want to play for charlotte
because it’s been a terribly run franchise that consistently loses
we’re talking about a fresh start here
we can pay more, we can build around any player who wants that kind of thing, and we have Jordan, who an offer lucrative shoe deals
Charlotte has signed decent free agents in the past, as the Hornets, so it’s not the city.
Yeah they have
I mean if I had the chance of either signing with the Bobcats or d-league I would pick the Bobcats. We are not getting a Wilson Chandler, Brook Lopez, or James Harden. We need to get lucky in the next to drafts than we may could attract some free agents. Yeah and you must not know that most of the players dislike Jordan since he was one of the hardest owners to deal with in the labor agreements.
by Alexis Jones on Feb 15, 2012 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
Those are the type of players that go wherever the money is.
What big name has turned down a Charlotte in free agency? What big name have we ever even made an offer to? We’ve never been in a financial position to do so.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 16, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
i can't imagine star players will be flocking to charlotte
after seeing how the bobcats treated their bona fide face of the franchise
Boone Logan is a good boy. So is David Robertson. Team A.J.
How did they treat him?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 16, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
He didnt know he was gon be traded
I still dont see the point of trading him…He felt like he was stabbed in the back…
Oh well.
It’s a business. He needs to get over it.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 16, 2012 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
HE did
when he roasted us earlier in the season and said “I wished this game never ended”
And none of
That will mean anything once Portland is bounced out the playoffs, Crash opts out and signs somewhere else. The simple point is players don’t pay as much attention to the small things you think are so big to these players. For example, why did Reggie Williams decide to sign here over New York? Take into account our market is much smaller, our franchise hasn’t been run as well. MJ was the talk of the lockout, and we supposedly “betrayed” Wallace. No one cares about that stuff. Not as much as y’all want to believe anyway.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 17, 2012 9:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Reggie Williams aint Gerald Wallace yet
thats why. Reggie knew that he has to get his rep up. He has to prove himself. He wouldve been on the bench like Novak had he signed in NY. He’s gonna get a chance here. He’s gonna get minutes here. He isnt a star yet. This was the best move for him.
What does that have to do with anything?
He still signed here. He could’ve easily went to New York. But wait, is it possible that money and playing time were a bigger factor to him than being in a big market? Hmmmm………
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 17, 2012 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
He isnt at a level where he should feel to be a key contributor to a championship team. The next few years will be spent for him to refine his game with only the type of PT he would get here. Again, he and Wallace are two totally different situations. Wallace has played at allstar levels and been a big factor to playoff squads. So of course his motivations would be different.
You underrate the power of the dollar severely.
Not everyone is down for taking pay cuts to chase championships.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 18, 2012 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
The Kings have a good market,fans, and tons of cap space
Demarcus Cousins and Tyreke Evans and what big name free agent wants to play with them.
None
Because they dont need a big name FA….they need a veteran SF that can actually give them direction (Battier, Artest, Wallace ect) and a REAL point guard that isnt tryin to be a SG (Andre Miller, Felton)…someone who can dish the rock…
+1
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 16, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
We must start building an ATTRACTIVE team THIS offseason..
Anthony Davis is a start. But a rookie PF isnt exactly going to wooo anyone…
Attractive to some means “big names”…
Attractive to an NBA star is “can MY talents lead/push this team into contention?”
This is what we must focus on this offseason. So trades need to be made this season and smart pickups need to be made in Free Agency…
Lets say we get Davis..our roster is something like
Kemba/?
Hendo/Williams
Maggs/??
Davis/Tyrus
BB/Mullens/Diop
Looks like we need a PG and SF/SG..{Here’s some realistic ones}
Armon Johnson (POR), Delonte, Goran Dragic, AJ Price…Ronnie Price…(Dragic and Ronnie Price being my favorites…Oh and Zabian Zowdell. I like that guy)
As far as wings…Its so many…I cant see why we wont have an upgrade this summer… Its so many…It all depends of whether Williams will be used as the SG or SF going forward…
Armon Johnson?
WAT.
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Y not?
He’s only gonna be a backup…Im sure he is better than Higgins. Again, I like Dragic. I would like to see Fortson or Ahearn, But /i aint talkin bout D-league.
He's probably to the only guy in the league worse than Higgins
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we don't need any more below average players
We will have capspace but this is definitely not are year to attract free agents. We are a few more years away from good free agents. We need to trade all our assets now for 1sts. If we get Davis and Barnes this year.2 more studs next year who knows if the clippers don’t win a championship cp3 may sign with us.(unrealistic) next year is a better free agency class anyway
by Alexis Jones on Feb 16, 2012 10:44 AM EST via mobile reply actions
this offseason is probably our best chance to get a good free agent
since most teams will be cap strapped
there will be about 6 teams contending in free agency for some really big names, and we’ll have more cash than anyone, although i know teams like boston and orlando would be willing to go well over the cap – still, they have to use specific exceptions to do that and they won’t be able to sign any max or near max contracts, whereas the bobcats will
Here is a list of 2012 free agents
Are you telling me you wouldn’t like to have Andre Miller come in for two seasons until Kemba is ready to really be a starting PG? Or if we had the chance to get Deron Williams, we pass that up?
i'd pass on the chance to get deron
I just dont like the guy
he's #3 all time in assist %
he’s struggling with turnovers right now (who wouldn’t given new jersey’s lineup) but he’s a better all around scorer than cp3
only player with 20+ points and 8+ assists in the NBA this season (unless you count Jeremy Lin’s Linsanity stats only)
your opinion to not like him but there’s not much to not like about him
I dont dislike him
but I personally doubt that he comes here… I think he kinda wants to compete at this stage in his career
my fantasies about deron williams coming to charlotte
are just that
If no one on the team can make shots...
…that assist number will suffer
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by andrewlail76 on Feb 21, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
that's what they said about him going to new jersey
augustin gets 6.5 assists per game with this terrible team
true...
but for some…he should be closer to 9 per game…and 6.5 is nothing.
I’m personally happy with DJ, but I feel that he’s ready to move on.
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by andrewlail76 on Feb 21, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
sorry my link about free agents failed
just look at the fanposts lol
ok you guys are delusional
We are not attraciting any good players this summer. Eric gordon will sign with his homestate Indiana. Dallas,Boston,Houston,new jersey are all bigger markets than us and have more cap space. We need to build through drafts get some studs. Than we will be an attractive spot. I think we should wait for next years free agency. Did anybody ever think the thunder would be this giod 4 years ago?
by Alexis Jones on Feb 16, 2012 4:09 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Delusional about what?
Maybe Williams, Howard, Wade, James, or the other “top stars” in the NBA wouldn’t sign in Charlotte, but people the likes of James Harden and company are going to go wherever the money is. Yes, we do need to build through the draft. But that doesn’t mean players are just going to shun us entirely. If that’s the case, Reggie Williams would be in a Knicks uniform right now.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 16, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
Do not use Reggie WIlliams as
an example.
by Alexis Jones on Feb 16, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
Why?
If you’re only talkin about superstars, then you gotta realize that Charlotte IS NOT the only team in that position. In fact, in that case, there are way more teams like us than there are not. When was the last time a big time free agent signed with Toronto? Or Memphis? Or San Antonio (do not use Richard Jefferson as an example) or Denver?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 17, 2012 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
I wasn't talking about superstars because I know that's not happening
I was talking about up in coming young stars. Toronto sucks why use them as an example? The Spurs have been over the cap forever and they acquired Jefferson from the Bucks so right I can’t use that example lmao. How could Memphis sign stars last year when they were trying to keep theirs? 1 superstar didn’t want to play in Denver why would another? Also Denver was in the same position as Memphis. Your arguments are funny to me. You are very delusional. You say smart remarks about me because I’m realistic and I want to trade players that are role players on a good team for draft picks instead of overpaying for role players. Nobody on this roster would be a starter on any of those teams you mentioned or any contender in the league. There are only 5 worthy free agents worth offering a max to besides the 2 superstars of course.
Eric Gordon will get resign with the Hornets or go to his hometown team
Roy Hibbert he is an all star now and I’m pretty sure the way he has played after his failed negotiations and getting selected the Pacers will probably meet his request.
Why the hell would Brook Lopez come here after he was told he was coming here on draft night then the Bobcats picked a pg under 6 ft over him.
If you haven’t known since OJ Mayo was drafted that he wants to play for a big market team something is wrong with you.
Wilson Chandler will likely get tons of offers this season from contenders or resign with Denver.
I feel like if the Bobcats use most of their cap space they will have next year it could turn into a Pistons situation all over again.
2013 free agents are Steph Curry,Tyreke Evans,James Harden,Demar Derozan,Serge Ibaka, and Al Jefferson. Who knows which way the Warriors and Kings can go. Thunder doesn’t have enough money to get Harden and Ibaka resign.
by Alexis Jones on Feb 18, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
DELUSIONAL ABOUT WHAT?
You think there is no way that someone like Josh Smith signs here? Or Monta Ellis? Or any other non-superstar? Why the hell not? Pay attention to the free agent periods. Players go where the MONEY is. EVERYONE on the site has acknowledge that the chances of signing a superstar are slim to none. However, to talk like no one would sign here is just stupid as hell. There is no delusion in that. It’s just you getting so caught up in the “stars only wanna play in big markets” talk that’s making you feel that way. C’mon, how about thinking for yourself? Look at the past 10 years in free agency. Not every single player that’s been a free agent chose to go to a big market. I honestly don’t even know what you’re ranting about. How are my arguments “funny”? Listen to what I’m telling you. PLAYERS GO WHERE THE MONEY IS. Simple as that.
Who are these role players you are talking about? Henderson? Right. If he played for the Lakers or Mavericks he would be on the bench all game. Yeah the hell right. What about D.J.? Nope. Kemba? You think he would be a bench rider? Exactly what are you saying?
But, ya know what………it’s not even worth talking about. You think every player in the NBA is so far “above” Charlotte that they would never come here but that’s just simply not true. Believe what you want though. You seem to think everyone wants to play for a contender but can’t take into account the simple fact that ALL THE CONTENDERS are over the damn cap and really can’t make a serious offer to these players. ESPN has brainwashed you.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 18, 2012 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
Was I directing my comment to you I think I wasn't
and when didn’t I ever say a big name wouldn’t ever come here? I said the 5 worthy free agents wouldn’t this year so stfu. If you read anything other than Bobcats news you would know every analyst and readers have said the same thing I’m saying.
by Alexis Jones on Feb 18, 2012 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
Ok I apologize
and lets stop be incredibly rude when another fan thinks we should trade our players and take chances.
by Alexis Jones on Feb 19, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
indeed
in my defense, though, you fired the first salvo when you referred to the lot of us as “delusional”
that kind of speaks for itself, doesn’t it?
Apparently not.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 22, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
Am I really supposed to take you seriously with an
Adam Morrison picture lmao joke.
by Alexis Jones on Feb 18, 2012 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
The picture was actually meant to be a joke.
Stop acting lame. Who cares if you take me seriously or not? I don’t take you or any of your stupid trade ideas seriously either. It’s a win/win for everyone.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 22, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
I apologize for calling your trades stupid.
Most of them do make sense to an extent but they just involve way too many pieces for me to actually think they’ll happen.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 22, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
How were you not directing your comments to me and you replied to me?
Hmmm……..
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 22, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
Funny lmao
I meant I wasn’t totally directing my comment to you.
Any trade involving a Pau Gasol would be a blockbuster which means there would be a lot of pieces..A blockbuster involves a lot of players and picks. I’m assuming that’s why it is called “blockbuster”. Look at the Carmelo Anthony it involved 11 players and 4 draft picks. Pau isn’t on Melo’s level but he is to the Lakers. All my trade ideas have been blockbusters so they would involve a lot of picks. Some of them I got from other websites.
by Alexis Jones on Feb 22, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
I meant I wasn’t totally directing my comment to you. Most of my trades have been blockbusters. If you are going to have a Pau Gasol in a trade it would be a blockbuster. Blockbusters involve a lot of players and picks. I’m assuming that’s why it is called a “blockbuster”. Look at the Melo trade it invloved 11 players and 4 picks. Most of those trades I get from other websites anyway.
by Alexis Jones on Feb 22, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
I hear ya.
Maybe with Cho on board we’ll finally be able to piece our way into one of these major trades. In the end, I just want the Bobcats to come out good in any deal they are involved in. I just don’t think that we should have the mindset that all of our improvements are going to have to be the result of making witty trades. I think we’ll get a couple of decent mid-tier free agents and should keep a little money saved for that purpose. I just took offense to you saying that we were delusional because it kinda looked like you felt like we were all saying things like Dwight and Williams will team up here which I don’t believe has any chance of happening myself.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 22, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
In Cho I trust
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by andrewlail76 on Feb 22, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Dallas, Boston, Houston and New Jersey
are also all going after the same four players over the next two seasons
no one has said we don’t try to build through the draft, but it’s clear at this point that the team is setting themselves up to be players in free agency
yes 2013 will be a better year, but we’re clearly in a position to try to get someone this year and someone or two someones next year
at the same time, so are Dallas and Boston and Houston and New Jersey – we’ll compete against them next year just as much, and next year we’re more likely to overpay for someone
and if we miss out on the guys we want
we’re not just gonna sign anybody, except to try and get to that 48 million minimum
+1
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 16, 2012 5:33 PM EST reply actions
You all keep talking about how we can sign Harden this year
but don’t you guys know he is a free agent next year? #EpicFail. We need extra 1sts. If we do this trade we will still be under the cap next season the payroll is at 61 million. Metta will not pick up his option. He most likely will be given 3 to 4 million a year for 2 to 3 years from a contender. We would still have Maggette, Walton,and Diop’s expiring(=to roughly over 24 million) to go after both Harden and Curry next year. Waiting out a year will not hurt us. Eric Gordon will likely chose his home state and city who will be championship contenders next season if they sign him and get a better pg next season. Everybody knows Mayo does not want to be in Memphis he wants to be in a larger market, he has already said he wouldn’t mind playing in Boston which has the big market, and money to sign him. I think Beasley will take the q.o. and become a free agent next year. Last good free agent Wilson Chandler should we really pay him 9-10 million a year when we could pay Harrison Barnes under 4?
The only references I've seen to James Harden
signing here in this thread are 2 years from now when he will be a free agent. And I think everyone here is pretty much under the impression that we should wait a year before adding free agents, but the class coming up offers some good players and the front office have said they will try to make moves this year. I agree that we do need to build through the draft, but getting rid of proven players to just collect 1st round picks isn’t that safe.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 16, 2012 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
How is Diaw or Carroll proven?
One is fat and unmotivated making $9 million and the other is an overpaid 3 point shooter. Dj is gone after next season anyway. You got me misunderstood I wouldn’t mind going after a Robin Lopez and a Jeremy Evans but I don’t think we should give a max out this year.
by Alexis Jones on Feb 16, 2012 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
I wasn't referring to Diaw or Carrol.
I was referring to Henderson. Diaw and Carrol can leave for nothing for all I care. Screw both of them.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 16, 2012 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
Now we are on the same page.
We only move Hendo if we can get a few more picks and are able to select Davis and Barnes.
by Alexis Jones on Feb 16, 2012 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
Please stop
with the Barnes. I wouldnt trade Henderson for Barnes. And Im not big on Hendo at all. I would trade Hendo for MKG or Beal or Lamb tho…
Lol. You don't think Barnes will be effective at this level?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 17, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
He's kinda disappointing to me
and UNC is my favorite team. He plays like he knows he gonna be drafted at 3. Like UNC isnt important to him. MKG is playing like he still NEEDS a scholarship.
wat
have you been watching UNC games at all?
i'm under the impression that
harrison barnes won’t have any trouble scoring at the NBA level
i just don’t know if he has all the skills, intangibles included, to ever be more than “just” a scorer
He can score
thats a given. But he doesnt have the drive or hustle. I’ve watched several games. He is never the one to take the team on his shoulders in close games (usually Zeller)…
it's amazing you can see into the future so well
please, oh wise sage, let us all know what pick the bobcats will win in the next two lotteries please
Who wouldn't pick those 2
they are the best in the class. Every pick I said the Bobcats should take are predicted to be superstars. It’s not like I’m saying we should trade Hendo for a chance to draft Thomas Robinson,Perry Jones, Jeremy Lamb, or Brad Beal all with serious question marks.
by Alexis Jones on Feb 16, 2012 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
I meant specifically where we will be picking at
and I wasn’t being sarcastic about your draft projections, rather, that you seem to know precisely where any free agent is going to wind up as if you have some kind of inside knowledge about them, when we all know you don’t
but if you do, please, enlighten us, as you would instantly become the most credible poster on here
Everybody has said the Pacers are targeting Eric Gordon
why would he chose a bad team rather than championship contender which happens to be his home town who happens to have more money than us? Where have you been for the last 3 years if you didn’t know Mayo wanted to go to a bigger market? Roy Hibbert is an all star now why would the Pacers let him go when they have the most money? Magic aren’t trading Dwight and the Nets plan is to sign both Lopez and Howard. I read a lot of basketball sites so that’s where I get my info.
by Alexis Jones on Feb 17, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
the Pacers are going to have a hard time
keeping Hibbert, signing Gordon and then filling out the remaining 3 roster spots after rookie signings – they’re going to have 4 players taking up about 45 million dollars
btw, hibbert has already turned down an extension from the Pacers, so it’s clear he’s going to test free agency to the fullest, and his agent, David Falk, says that if the Pacers match an offer to a team Hibbert would rather play for, he’ll makes sure Hibbert gets what he wants
not that Hibbert would want to play in Charlotte over Indiana, but Indiana cannot match a max contract offer that we give AND pay Eric Gordon
everyone knows the Magic still might trade Dwight Howard because they simply aren’t going to let him walk, if it looks like he’s going to test free agency, he’ll be gone on deadline day, the Magic, however much the owner says they aren’t trading him, would be really stupid otherwise and everyone knows that
not to mention, dwight howard has 0 chance of coming to the bobcats, the only interest with us is that it’ll help us see who’s left and his contract will be a trend setter – if dwight doesn’t happen to get max money, or gets it on a backloaded contract, that’s going to change a whole lot of things
the cap next season has been said to be 61 million
Hoopshype said the pacers next year cap is a little bit over 34 million that’s 27 million in cap. They can go over the cap to sign a their free agent they give hibbert 12 million or max Gordon 9-11 million they can resign hill for like 7 million so what their 3 million over the cap. They can sign 2 other players with the
mle. Gordon is the missing piece they need seriously contend. You have to spend on good players to win. Also don’t you think hibbert is happy now that he can get more money.
by Alexis Jones on Feb 17, 2012 5:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hibbert can only get the max for his level
he’s only made one all star game, not two
which i suppose helps the pacers
but they’re not going over the cap on a one season all or nothing bend, that’s now how they operate
we won’t know the cap until we know how much each team made… believe me, the bobcats are certainly doing their part to keep that line down
I didn't add Brook Lopez to my list because
the Nets are likely going to extend him and move him to his more comfortable position pf when they sign Dwight. Man I would sure love to be in the Nets position all star pg sg who Kobe’s trainer compared him to Kobe, 80% chance of getting the best center in the league have another 7 footer playing the 4 and 2 1st to maybe move up and get a top sf and tons of cap space.
The Nets have been brutally bad over the past few years.
They took their lumps and this is what they are ending up with. Time for us to take our lumps as well.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 16, 2012 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
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