If you was GM for Bobcats?
by Bharris on Feb 12, 2012 11:02 AM EST
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PrintA lot of fans are down on Kemba and seems to be the sole person who gets the blame for the Bobcats performances. A pg is only as good as the players around him. The Bobcats lack finishers or elite shooters therefore assist totals will be low plus he is still learning. What hurt kemba at this point is no killer jumpshot. If he work hard this summer to improve then teams will not sag off and shut down the passing lanes. The team needs to consider moving portland pick for a pick this year or somehow acquire another one. I like Anthony Davis but not sure if he is the right for our team. The NBA is all about have explosive scorers and finishers to compete every night. Thats why I would find a way to get Harrison Barness and Austin Rivers on draft night.
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Harrison Barnes isn't that athletic
Austin Rivers is likely to return another year. We need Anthony Davis he is projected to be a superstar. If we can package Kemba and Biyombio and Diaw’s expiring for another lottery pick and draft Barnes, Kidd-Gilchrist,Beal,Lamb or Perry Jones than I say do it. The Hornets and Phoenix are potential partners. Their are no pg prospects to be projected where the Hornets or Suns are picking so they will have serious interest in Kemba. Then we trade DJ to the Lakers for one of their 1st. Maybe Henderson to the Cavs for their 1st. Than trade them to a lottery team that we all know will be back in the lottery next year.Than next year trade Maggette huge expirings for 1sts to a team like the Jazz who wants to go crazy in 2013 free agency. Then trade 2 of those picks to move up and draft Rivers. 2012 we draft Davis and Barnes or Kidd Gilchrist.Than in 2013 we draft Nerlens Noel and Austin Rivers. Than Bobcats trade 2 2nds for T Will in one of our trade exceptions to Houston give him the qualifying offer for next season
Do you guys think the Wizards would do this and give us an unprotected 2013 1st http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6mjok7q
That’s if I was the gm.
To sum up my post
trade Kemba and Bismack to a lottery team since this is the year of the pfs like the Hornets or Suns and draft Barnes or Kidd-Gilchrist with that pick. We draft Anthony Davis with ours. We trade Augustine to the Lakers for one of their 1st and their tpe. Than we try to trade Hendo for a pick between 12-19. Than we trade those 2 picks to a bonafide lotto team next year for an unprotected 1st hopefully Rivers falls to us with this pick. Than we trade Maggette’s expiring for a 1st. Than we package our 2013 pick with the Portland pick than move up and draft Nerlens Noel. Than we package the unprotected pick and the Maggette pick and move up and draft Austin Rivers. If Austin falls to us we draft Myck kabongo with the Maggette pick. Our starting line up
pg Myck Kabongo
sg Austin Rivers
sf Harrison Barnes or Kidd-Gilchrist
pf Anthony Davis
c Nerlens Noel
We will make the playoffs in 2013-2014.
by Alexis Jones on Feb 12, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
yes, let's go all rookies next season bc they all look like the sure thing playing in the college level!!
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lol that reminds me of a time on 2k11 where I managed to finagle enough deals and hit luck in the lottery to get all the first 5 picks in the draft. it was a total disaster because they all got butthurt about their lack of shots and role, and then they all needed big contracts at the same time. it was horrible
Lmao.
Same thing happened to me before. Only I had the 1st, 2nd, and 5th picks.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 14, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
No way the Wizards do that trade.
If you disagree with my opinion, I will take it personally.
by Panthers FTW on Feb 12, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
I know it was a long shot
but they save at least 15 million.
by Alexis Jones on Feb 12, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
Also no chance we do that deal either
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by Bring Back Primoz on Feb 12, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
A lotto team taking Kemba and Bismack
this year remember that they would be late 1st picks if that wasn’t one. of the worst drafts in history.
NO probably would seriously consider
taking Kemba, since PG is their largest need by far
but would all of the other owners agree?
don’t see the point in getting rid of Bismack Biyombo, he’s not gonna get us a lottery pick for a trade and he’s developed enough already to make it seem worthwhile to keep around
did i agree with drafting him in that spot? absolutely not. but we did, we may as well see where he goes, its not like it’s costing us a lot
We may find our best trade position as a facilitator
How about helping LA get Rondo and Boston Pau.
If we can also pry a 1st rounder out of this (who knows, maybe 1 from each) it may work out for us.
rondo was the only one supposedly safe in boston
if they’re willing to get rid of pierce over rondo, i don’t see them trading him to anyone, anytime soon, particularly when rondo is cheaper, much younger, and arguably a better asset
I think the concept is fine
But that trade is more complicated than it needs to be. Wouldn’t the Lakers (and likely Celtics too) rather just do a Pau for Rondo/O’Neal swap?
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by Bring Back Primoz on Feb 12, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
This gets the Celts a replacement PG in DJ and LA gets Tyrus rather than O'Neal
I think they’d each prefer to use the trade to get additional help now. Tyrus is a better piece in LA as a defensive stopper than here (like Ariza).
how do we take on 4 players
while only giving up 2? We’re already at max capacity.
With as many terrible contracts as the Lakers have
I don’t think they’re interested in adding Tyrus to that list.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Feb 12, 2012 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
I love this stuff
1. Trade DJ (late first) and Hendo for a late first…
2. Let Diaw, Najera, DJW, Cory Higgins, Derrick Brown expire…
3. Cut Tyrus…
4. That leaves us with Kemba, 2 late first, Carroll, Maggette, Diop, Mullens, BB, lotto pick
5. Draft Anthony Davis or Thomas Robinson (more on that later)..Kris Joseph and Fab Melo…this is going by NBADraft.net…
5b. Use the upper most of our later draft picks in a package to get rid of Caroll
6.That leaves Walker, Maggette, Diop, Mullens, Williams, BB, Melo, Davis
7. PG: Im going after Delonte or Dragic
8. SG. Im going after Nick Young (willing to offer 7mil) CJ Miles, TWill or Jodie Meeks
9. SF. (maybe a combination of the two)
10. Antwan Jamison. (give him a long deal with a player option to end his career here)
So now the roster if I get who I want…
Kemba/Dragic/
Nick Young/TWill
Reggie Williams/Maggette
Davis/Jamison/Mullens
Melo/BB/Diop
This leaves us with a nice roster of passers, rebounders and defensive players. Davis is the man anyhow on Defense. But we have enough offensive weapons around him, that we can take time to develop his weaknesses on offense. Fab is also a beast.
Im tryin to put enough weapons around Kemba to let him build confidence in his passing. Plus Reggie Williams is a decent facilitator. Then when we go to the bench TWill, Jamison and Dragic all pass well. But Jamison and Dragic arent gonna pass up shots just to make a good pass as TWILL does that sometimes. Plus they can all spread the ball around to give BB some nice open dunks. So he can build confidence in his offensive game too…Plus Nick Young is probably the only big contract we’ll have which puts us in good position for when Diop and Maggs come off the books…
wow that backcourt
is just awful
it’s really bad when the best defender you can play at the 1,2 or 3 is Goran Dragic
hell, he’s the most efficient scorer, too, and the only one with a shooting % higher than .405, although I’m sure Corey Maggette can turn things around sooner or later
TWIll is actually a good defender
I dont know where you draw your info from…Any way…this is just for next season but the roster is revamped to a more uptempo style of play. Aint nobody comin in on Davis, Jamison, Melo and BB…
they won't have to
although, i’ll admit, i have no idea what kind of defender terrence williams is as a pro since, you know, he’s not been good enough to actually get any playing time for me to have seen him on a regular basis
his d-rating is below average, but that’s really only a measure a player’s role in team defense and not on the ball defense, but per 36 (so as to give him a fair chance), he doesn’t get even a steal per game over his short career
i’ll never understand your fascination with a player who has yet to prove his worth enough to get consistent minutes from any coach he’s played for. If you count a 2-game interim coach stint, that’s 6 NBA coaches the man has now played for and failed to impress
correction:
i’m sorry, in the interest of being accurate
Terrence Williams did manage to get heavy rotation for the first quarter of the season in his rookie year in 2009-2010 for the “legendary” Lawrence Frank while Courtney Lee was out with an injury.
Ya’ll remember that year, right? It was the year the Nets started 0-18 and got their first win against us, then went on to lose their next 10.
That team would wipe the floor with our current lineup.
FUN FACT: Terrence Williams has started 9 games in his career. His teams are 0-9. Totally unfair fact when taken out of context. All 9 starts were for those same Nets, who only managed to win 10 games that season. 4 more games than our Bobcats will win.
So leave his last month of that very season out please..
where he avged…14pts 6.5asst and 7rebs… Not one month.. but over the span of 23games (last two months of his ROOKIE season)…and even if you want to credit his points to “garbage time”, over that span THAT sorry nets team won 6 of those games with him taking over. As much as I love scoring, you can “fluke” those esp in the last games of a losing season. But you cant fluke his high numbers of rebs AND assists consistently. Thats almost a triple double. I dont care what team you play for. And a very low turnover rate for a player who handled the ball the majority of that time. 2 TO. This is a ROOKIE.
I cant blame the NETS for being in the hunt for Lebron and Melo to take over at SF. But once they get them, they signed Outlaw and pushed Williams to the side. And that is where all the problems started…
*once they DIDNT get them…
Over that span of 23 games…he had 4 double doubles and 1 triple double.
Over the span of the whole season he had 8 double doubles. And we arent gonna count all the near misses…
He was sent to the d-league in TWO games did the same thing Lin-Sanity did. Actually much better… I know what can do.
it's silly to ignore the six games he started
in the last month of that same season that all resulted in losses
by the way, from march 14 – april 14 they won four (not six) games with him, and won a game without him playing at all
as a starter he’s averaged 11 points, 7 boards and 4 assists while shooting .374% and .188% from 3pt – i would say 9 games as a starter and not even cracking the lineup since then are far more indicative of the type of player he consistently is rather than one overtime triple double
5 NBA coaches have seen something you don’t which have made them reluctant to play him – what does that tell you?
Absolutely nothing...
Again you are nick picking at stats…His last 23 games he avg 14, 6 and 7…Period. Then you put up the numbers for a rookie starter…and you act like those numbers sucked or something. Whats wrong with 11pts 7boards and 4assts for a rookie starter? Those numbers seem pretty good to me…
when are you going to realize
that any numbers either of us put up are irrelevent? the point i’ve been trying to make is that there is a very good reason he can’t get minutes
they called up a guy from the d-league who is getting more minutes than t-will, seriously
obviously, there’s something lacking from his game
well i'd rather have t-will
than cory higgins
I'd rather be playing for free than have Higgins
I at least know my limits…
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by andrewlail76 on Feb 15, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
heres my opinion..
PG Walker, Dj Augustin,
SG *Ellis, Henderson, Young
SF *Smith, R.Williams, barnes
PF *Odom, White, *Jamison
C Biyombo, *Drummond or Davis,
- some of this players can play multiple positions so quite versatile. Key players here are Odom, Smith and Ellis and all of them are long shots if not impossible.
The ball is round so is the rim and the world. anything can happen if you play hard.
I like the way you think...
Davis then Drummond
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by andrewlail76 on Feb 14, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Hope that Barnes and Rivers both declare
And we are able to draft them both…Keep BB and steal Ibaka from OKC…Sign Oden to a minimum deal, and he stays healthy…Pick up a couple of role players like Udoh and B. Wright. Everyone else on the roster becomes expendable to make this pipe dream possible…In a word, impossible, but you asked…Oden/BB, Ibaka/BB/Udoh, Barnes/Wright, shooting guard or two, and re-sign Livingston to back up Rivers…Sounds pretty good for an impossible scenario!!!
Kind of along the same topic....
and I know that this has come up before, but who would we look to as a coach? There’s no way Silas comes back….I don’t know that he’ll make it thru this week let alone the entire season!
I’d like to hear some suggestions…but I still like JVG which is a pipe dream, and then I’ll also throw out Mo Cheeks, and I wouldn’t even mind someone like a John Barry from ESPN as a dark horse.
Who’s everyone else got??
I think Focuslja could do the job.
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His defensive philosophy would include lots of cherrypicking.
It’s all about the points!
If you disagree with my opinion, I will take it personally.
by Panthers FTW on Feb 13, 2012 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
Reporter:
“Focus, Focus, Focus, over here. Mr. Focus, you’re team just lost 106 – 170, shattering the record for most points given up since the merger. What are you going to do to stop teams?”
Focus: “Stop them? I’m not going to stop them. I’m just going to figure out a way to score 171.”
Reporter: "But he did it on 4-12 shooting?"
Focus: “What did I just say?”
Reporter: “What do you have to say about the performances of Terrence Williams, Nick Young and Brandon Rush?”
Focus: “Twenty points?”
Reporter: “On a combined 20-100 shooting.”
Focus: “Then nothing. This was a win in my eyes.”
Reporter: "Do you want to comment on Terrico White's 5-25, 16 Point, 9 Turnover performance?
Focus: “Did you say 16 points or 20 points?”
Reporter: “16 points. And like a GaZillion turnovers.”
Focus: “Never-you-mind that second part, but if he keeps scoring in the mid-teens he’s getting traded for a second round pick in the 2017 draft.”
Reporter: "Mr Focus? How'd you put together such an excellent team"
Focus: Database
Reporter: Do you know you are going to the playoffs without using almost no cap room?
Focus: Nick Young
Reporter: Who knew TWill was so good
Focus: Twitter Nation? Duh…
Reporter: How do you plan to stop Lebron
Focus: TWill
Reporter: Wade?
Focus:TWill
I kno...I tried to click
cancel…I didnt like it…but you guys will remember the day I told you TWILL will be a Bobcat
Whatever happened to Joe Alexander?
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I love your persistence focus. And if we get him, I’ll be on the TWill bandwagon.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Feb 13, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
of course, this was the year that
that the NBA decided to let all of the teams in the playoffs just to see what would happen
they even had two d-league teams called up just to make it work, both of which had better records than the 31st ranked Focus-lead Bobcats
Just hear me out and please do not throwing things!
My lineup after the allstar break would be as follows….
PG-Kemba Walker/Allen Iverson Why? Kemba in my opinion has showed enough to be consider the future. So you might as well get something for DJ. I will admit that this is the only real fantasy of my GMship. I know it has a snowball’s chance. Why AI you say…the reasons are many: scoring, veteran leadership, not to mention he will put more fannies in the seats and cheap(just wants back is the league). I also believe that factor will serve as a humbling force. He would serve a great mentor to Kemba who is roughly the same size with similiar skills. Not to mention the positive PR among players who feel that AI has be unfairly blackballed. Can you say potential free agents anyone?
SG-Reggie Williams/Terrence Williams This must be madness you would get rid of Hendo too? I like Hendo but the offseason surgery and now the in-season injury scares me. I am seeing the beginings of the words Injury prone. Terrence Williams may not have the jumper but he is a better penatrator and physically stronger than Hendo. Houston has said that he may be available. I the get rid of Kevin Martin like they want than Hendo would be a better fit for them than TWill.
SF-Corey Maggette/Derek Brown I am trying to be realistic about the possibilities. This is probably the best we can do this year and it’s not that bad.
PF-Andray Blatche/Boris Diaw We all know that the Tyrus Thomas for Andray Blatche trade should be the number one priority.
C-Bismark Biyomba/BJ Mullens The tandem is proving to be quite productive.
This leaves Matt Carrol, Diop, Higgins, and DJ White
DJ Augustin’s trade could facilitate either the removal of either Maggette(replacement DJ White) or Diop(no replacement needed)
This team would win atleast 10 games after the break and set-up nice launching pad for any 1st round draft pick.
I like it....
I still think if Hendo can net us a first rd pick, we take it. Because we can get one for Augustin. Thats two. And that gives us a chance to get 3 rookies and fill holes OR move Maggs’ big contract OR package the picks and move up. There are more advantages to trading Hendo for a FIRST (only if its a first: and no it doesnt have to be a lottery pick) than it is keeping him…
I still don't understand
Why you want to get rid of a young proven player who is still improving even though he might already be our best player, for an unproven rookie that at best we would likely get in the mid-late 1st round.
Because the draft is deep...
Hendo is a good player. But he’s not THE player. Kemba is not THE player. Davis is a good addition. Tremendous even. But he’s not THE guy. MKG or Jeremy Lamb can be THAT guy…y not take that chance?
if Davis isn't THE guy
then neither is Dwight Howard, or neither was Tim Duncan, or Kevin Garnett
Please stop
trying to compare him to Hall of Famers…Dang you guys are being a little overzealoused and slightly disrepectful to the history of the sport. Its no way you can compare him to KG, Duncan and Howard. Especially not yet. Anthony Davis is not the guy. And he does not compare to what those Hall of Famers have done.
I didnt say DONT draft him
I said he isnt THE guy.
but he is THE guy
and excuse us for not holding your opinion higher than pretty much every single college and nba analyst out there
when Dwight came out, even out of high school, people knew he was THE guy, people knew KG was THE guy, people knew Duncan was THE guy
these same people know Davis is THE guy
and I used those players because they are some of the comparisons that have been made about Davis
the length and midrange jumper of KG
the shot blocking ability of Howard
the all around interior defensive presence of Tim Duncan
here is an article that compares him to Marcus Camby, Kevin Garnett and Shaquill O’Neal all at once
http://www.csnchicago.com/preps/news/Anthony-Davis-rise-is-unprecedented?blockID=639722
How would Davis not be THE guy?
He’s the consensus number one pick for a reason.
And I don’t see anyone outside of the lottery that I’d rather have than Henderson.
by JDeLong42 on Feb 16, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Well the Anthony Davis thing is from pretty much everybody that knows anything about basketball
And name me someone projected to go outside the lottery that you’d take over Henderson?
Wow
here we go…If I challenged someone’s “basketball knowledge” over a PROJECTION, I’d be stoned. Anyway. He’s gonna be good. But to compare him to KG or Dwight is disrespectful at this point. I cant see 20pt 20reb games from him. Or him stepping out to 18 or 20 feet and drowning a shot on a REGULAR basis. I cant see him bringing the ball from coast to coast like a young KG either. I understand you saying Ibaka or McGee at this point but not KG or Dwight…
he hits the 15 footer with ease
you can’t see 20pt 20reb games from a guy averaging 14 and 10 in college as a freshman? Not to mention his 5 blocks per game and 1.5 steals. He averaged 33 points, 22 rebounds and seven blocks in high school
he has a .651 fg % and shoots over 70% from the line
and has the best ball handling skills of any big man in the NCAA because only 2 years ago, he was a 6’4" point guard
you clearly know absolutely nothing about him and have never seen him play, otherwise you would embrace those comparisons and see that Anthony Davis is a player like we haven’t seen in college in quite a while
i mean you have to go all the way back to tim duncan to draw comparisons as to how much of a sure thing he is (maybe derrick rose, but i remember some saying Beasley up until the balls were drawn – no one is saying anyone other than davis for anyone in the lottery)
So because I dont think he's a sure thing
I havent seen him play? Makes no sense. I have watched a few of their games. He’s good. He deserves the number one pick. but so did Greg Oden. Yes he deserved it. But we’ll see. I dont see him being THE PLAYER that is gonna take us into the future. He def will play a big role. But he isnt THE GUY,
I just don't understand how you don't think the #1 overall pick is THE GUY
and you think that the #5 overall pick (i.e. MKG) is THE GUY.
If you disagree with my opinion, I will take it personally.
by Panthers FTW on Feb 17, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
Its not about the number
Kobe was taken 12. Wade was taken 4th. Granger was taken 12th too (I think)…Monta Ellis was in the second rd. It has nothing to do with the number. Greg Oden was taken number one. So was Kwame Brown. And Mike Olawakandi
I didn't question anyone's basketball knowledge
And I think Adam pretty much hit the nail on the head.
And it’s weird because I can easily see him doing all those things. Of course he’s not going to be polished at this point. He’s an 18 year old kid.
He’s about as sure as a pick can be. Best case, he’s a superstar. Worst case, he’s an absolute force on the defensive end with a decent offensive game to complement that.
It's also the outlook of most rational basketball fans.
If you disagree with my opinion, I will take it personally.
by Panthers FTW on Feb 17, 2012 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
Same 3 posters
using words like “rational”.
yes, excuse us for
you know, using our brain, to make reasoned decisions and formulate comprehensive opinions
Screw that...
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by andrewlail76 on Feb 21, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
You know...
As much as I did not want A.I. here…
It may do Kemba some good. I would prefer Muggsy Bogues to be brought in as a Guards coach, but I believe that A.I., if he plans to come back in any capacity, would be a reasonable fit in Charlotte. Kemba could learn some tricks of the trade…but he wouldn’t learn a whole lot in terms of ball distribution. I agree that he would need to play in the D-League for a week or 2 before I’d bring him in. I need to see that he’s still got game enough to be in the league. Biggest issue is if A.I. is in any sort of shape to come in and provide any scoring at all. If we’re eyeing a scorer…I still lean towards Gil Arenas. Again, I’d like to see Gil in some D-league action to see just how much rust he currently has. Either would put some butts in the seats and provide some scoring and vet leadership.
Are either looking to just play? Probably not…they want a ring, and that’s not going to happen in Charlotte during their playing career. A.I. would benefit the most from this as he just wants to be back in the NBA (i guess). Playing for MJ…I think he may thrive, and Silas would be the guy to tell him what he needs to do or he can sit on the bench.
There are very few that would be a GREAT
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by andrewlail76 on Feb 15, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
considering he's willing to sign outside of the us to play
and is very much in debt right now, i’d wager that iverson would play for whatever team would be willing to sign him for the most money
Maybe...
Has he swallowed his pride yet and said that he would be willing to come off the bench for a team? Is he willing to play in the D-league to get his legs back and knock the rust off?
Bobcats Basketball is my only pro sports passion...
by andrewlail76 on Feb 15, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Mullens needs to play PF
Draft Anthony Davis to back up Biz.
Bobcats Basketball is my only pro sports passion...
by andrewlail76 on Feb 15, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
If I was the GM...
I would fire everyone, liquidate my assets, sell the stadium to China, and then I would go home. It would be like killing Old Yeller.
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