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Bobcats Demolished by Bulls, 95-64

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Let's be honest: none of us expected the Bobcats to win this game. None of us expected the Bobcats to keep it close. But I don't think any of us expected the Bobcats to be beaten to such a degree.

Even without Derrick Rose and Rip Hamilton, the Chicago Bulls are the better team on paper. They're bigger, stronger, more experienced and better coached. Thibodeau is one of the better coaches that the NBA has to offer, and the Bulls proved that with an abusive performance against the Bobcats.

I'll give credit where credit is due: the Bobcats are a terrible team offensively, and the Bulls are an exceptional defensive team. I actually had a wager with a friend before the game. I bet five dollars that the Bobcats would score more than 65 points tonight. He said less, and I am now five dollars poorer.

Star-divide

There wasn't a lot to take from this game. The Bobcats appeared to come out strong in the first couple of minutes, but their inability to hit shots and hold onto the ball quickly allowed the Bulls to establish themselves. By the end of the quarter, the score was already unacceptable. The Cats shot 31.8% for 16 points while the Bulls shot 52% for 30 points.

A returning Corey Maggette (4 points, 2/7 FGs, 3 turnovers in 13 minutes) offered little help on either end, showing no apparent rust but electing to continually launch 22 foot jump shots early in the clock. The one time he did drive (after passing up two very open jumpers), he was stripped by Joakim Noah and Paul Silas had enough mind to take him out soon after.

Tyrus Thomas (2 points, 1/5 FGs, 3 blocks in 23 minutes) also looked terrible in limited minutes. You know, the usual. Pulling up for contested jumpers 18 feet from the rim and fouling on both ends. He did block a few shots, but what really stood out was an incident in which he yelled at Bismack Biyombo. Couldn't hear what he was saying, but it was loud and he was furious.

A bright spot for the Bobcats was the play of Bismack Biyombo (8 points, 3/5 FGs, 10 rebounds in 30 minutes), who inexplicably appeared to be the only player with any awareness on either end (save Reggie Williams, I guess). Biz looked better than I've seen him this year. The stats don't stand out like in some of his other games, but the development he has displayed in such a short period of time is very encouraging. He knew where to be on defense at all times and was aware of the rotations that he needed to make. He had a few lapses, but that's to be expected. It was also great to see him attack the Bulls' brawny front line with some success. Noah could not get an easy rebound tonight. He had to fight Biz on every possession.

As I alluded to earlier, Reggie Williams (6 points, 3/10 FGs in 27 minutes) had a decent game despite his poor shooting. Outside of Diaw and Augustin, he's easily the team's best passer and probably has the most awareness on the offensive end. He reads the defense exceptionally well and rarely makes the wrong decision. Unfortunately his shot wasn't falling tonight, and neither were his team mates'. In the second quarter alone, Williams would have had 5 assists had any of the Bobcats made a shot. But alas, such is the reality of a rebuilding team.

The majority (and by majority, I mean almost all) of the Bobcats' plays were isolations that ended in contested midrange jumpers (or turnovers, if you're a masochist). The team sorely misses D.J. Augustin, as Kemba Walker (9 points, 2/11 FGs, 5 assists in 31 minutes) is not yet prepared to run an offense effectively. Kemba had a poor night as well, occasionally hidden by would-be highlights. He did, however, have 5 assists and 0 turnovers. The potential is undoubtedly there, he just needs a year or two to figure it all out.

By contrast, the Bulls were dominant inside. Taj Gibson, Carlos Boozer, and Joakim Noah all had their way with the Bobcats' bigs, combining for 41 points on 51% shooting. I had yet to see a game until tonight where the lack of talent at center was so apparent. Diaw is not a viable option, nor is Mullens. And Diop? ..................

All in all, this game finished the way everyone thought it would. It was ugly, it was a blow out in which little could be learned from, and it wasn't over soon enough. As I've said in the past, this season isn't about this season. It's about next season and the season after. It's about assessing the talent that the Bobcats have now, and preparing to add pieces with the draft and free agency. This team has talent. There's no question about that. When healthy, the Bobcats are certainly not the worst team in the league. And things can only get better.

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fire silas

silas has absolutely no idea how to use these players and now they wont even try for him at home. fire him

by CatNation on Feb 10, 2012 9:48 PM EST reply actions  

I've cooled on Silas

But I’m not prepared to say that he’s the root of the problem. I’d like to see more games with everyone healthy before jumping to conclusions.

Bro, I have Twitter and stuff.

by Joshua Priemski on Feb 10, 2012 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

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by Warmec on Feb 11, 2012 5:03 AM EST up reply actions  

tbh

I’m not sure Maggette coming back will really help us at all other than provide some depth…… D.Brown has looked solid and Reggie or Gerald may end up having to combo together and play the 2/3 when they’re healthy.

As for Tyrus – nice notice on when he shouted something at Biyombo – it was actually something like “I got it!” because they had been fighting for a rebound earlier in that possession and they lost the ball. Regardless though, I’ve honestly had it with him a long time ago – the dude is basically a Stephen Jackson 2.0 except he’s a poor example to his teammates and definitely doesn’t have the game to backup what he’s making.

I used to see him walking around Southpark mall quite often – next time I see him I may have to shout something not too pleasant in his direction.

by JPCats785 on Feb 10, 2012 9:54 PM EST reply actions  

Speaking of TT, his game has substantially regressed this year.

He was a much better player last year. I’m disappointed and baffled at the same time.

by Derek Leazer on Feb 10, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Tyrus is playing SF for the first time in his career

he needs developing as a big man, in this year of the Bobcats tanking, why not develop him, and Biyombo, and Henderson properly for the future? He hasn’t played SF since the Washington game where he almost had a triple double. Tyrus has regressed since Silas took over, and now he may be on the verge of being permanently ruined as a player by being used as a sf. All of Tyrus stats are down, I just dont get it.
D.Brown is the best SF on the team and he’s the 3rd SF on the roster. He shoudl be starting, Tyrus should be used actively as a PF in a role that limits him, but puts him i nposition to be effective, same with Biyombo. I can’t believe the coaching staff is this bad, it actually looks like we are trying to lose every game with these rotations and lineups. Higgins shouldnt play, Carrol shouldn’t play, White should be used sparingly, I just dont get it.

by Mr Goodlove on Feb 11, 2012 1:05 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree with you on TT playing SF

That’s one of the biggest things that has baffled me about the coaching staff – other than being somewhat capable of guarding 3’s – he cant play the position on the offensive end which in turn hurts the team. As limited as we are offensively -he can be an asset if used correctly. Would just like to see him guard PF’s more going forward, although he’s lean that’s what he’s gotta be doing – he needs to play in the paint more to give him more opportunities showcase the elite shotblocking he has.

by JPCats785 on Feb 11, 2012 1:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Couple times our guys lost rebounds out of bounds...

Trying to fight a teammate. Do we have some guys more worried about THEIR stats?? I’m thinking so. Don’t yell at Biz for doing his job! Let the big guy get his boards. TT. You worry about finding ways to contribute to this team…not about ending up with a rediculous 0 rebound game again!!! Ahhhhhh!!!

by mives36 on Feb 10, 2012 11:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Alley-oop blocked by Thomas, followed by a fast break dunk by Brown

Easily the highlight of the night for me.

When really good teams like Chicago come to town, I have to take pleasure in the simpler things. Brown scoring in double digits. Bismack almost getting a double double. Diop making a mid range jumper. Walker not committing any turnovers. Me looking at our box score and not shedding very many tears. Life is good.

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by Newsinz on Feb 10, 2012 11:03 PM EST reply actions  

so i was at the game

and the bobcats look much worse live than on television

their defensive spacing is atrocious and their offense looks lost at times

no bobcat stood out at all, biz apparently had an ok night but his 10 rebounds were definately quiet – i can only remember one good offensive rebound he got

i guess we gave up after 3 since the scrubs were in – did cory higgins get a career high?

seriously, the best part of the game were all the chicago fans getting hyped over scalabrine (there were more bulls fans than bobcats fans and rose didnt even play)

i have to suffer through the clips game tomorrow but i doubt im going back to another bobcats game without our full lineup – its stomach churning

by adamcawa on Feb 10, 2012 11:03 PM EST reply actions  

ps

reggie williams is a great scorer, and fun to watch on the offensive end, but man, his bad defense really sticks out live when you can see the whole court

i havent chcked the box score so i dont know if he’ll stand out, but tyrus thomas was the only bobcat actually trying tonight after the first quarter – that block he had that led to the brown dunk, he covered from half court in about 3 strides, it was insane

by adamcawa on Feb 10, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

i didnt mean to imply that he was a great scorer tonight

but he did miss a few wide open shots, but it’s reassuring that he was able ot get so wide open, mostly on his own

by adamcawa on Feb 10, 2012 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Truth.

Just a bad night all around.

by Aisander D on Feb 10, 2012 11:24 PM EST up reply actions  

This game left me wondering...

If we have plays we run on offense this year. As crazy as it sounds, I thunk we have gone to a free-form O. This form usually takes tge shape of:

Run a random wing off a poorly set pick under the hoop. Wing comes to the ball at top of key, covered the entire run. Ballhandler has no pass. Dribbles in place aimlessly momentarily, before chucking up a contested 20 footer with no offensive rebounds under the glass.

Success has been poor.

by mives36 on Feb 10, 2012 11:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

we would've actually had a few more offensive rebounds

of missed shots from a fast break (why they werent laid up or passed on the inside is beyond me) if biz had been on the proper side – the first man to the basket is the one who rotates to the opposite side so he can box out from within, but he would just stop and end up basically boxing out his own man as the rebound bounced off to the otherside

this happened at least 3 times – not his fault that we’re taking jumpers on a fast break (cough kemba cough) with two guys under the rim, but he should have more awareness as to where he’s supposed to be – this will come in time, i hope

by adamcawa on Feb 10, 2012 11:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Prior to this game the Bulls set

an NBA record by beating three teams on the road in a row by 20+ points only to cap that with a 4th win but by 31.

by adocarbog on Feb 10, 2012 11:40 PM EST reply actions  

honestly, i was watching the knicks game tonight

who knew one player could make that much of a difference… sigh…

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by Shockers on Feb 10, 2012 11:40 PM EST reply actions  

you just read my mind

well.. not about d-leaguers, but jeremy lin… my goodness…

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by Shockers on Feb 10, 2012 11:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol.

I actually started liking him in Golden State simply because the fans would go nuts when he came in for garbage minutes. I knew he was underrated, but man, that kid looks like a franchise block now.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 11, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

we have that in cory higgins

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by Shockers on Feb 11, 2012 1:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Never been a Knick fan but i have watched 3 games so far and im hooked. Kid is fun as hell to watch. Gives it his all and makes some great plays. dude is insane right now

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by MMA_PITBULL on Feb 11, 2012 3:04 AM EST up reply actions  

After taking a few hours to review the firm with the Chicago Bulls and writing over 10 pages of notes I have come up with my expert opinion on what is wrong with our Charlotte Bobcats.

Bobcats suck.

That is all.

ACC Championship Member Brandon Thompson is the new Jacoby Ford. You better pick him Panthers or you will be doomed to relive the 2010 season over and over again in the Twilight Zone.

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by Revshawn on Feb 11, 2012 12:56 AM EST reply actions  

Indeed

No need to overanalyze anything.

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by Bring Back Primoz on Feb 11, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Bobcats don't suck

The coaching staff sucks.

That is all.

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by D.W.G. on Feb 11, 2012 4:15 AM EST reply actions  

Yep, if we could just get a Hall of Fame caliber coach,

we’ll be in the NBA finals in no time.

Larry Brown, anyone?

by Tim Rudisill on Feb 11, 2012 6:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Not sure if your bein sarcastic

but atleast Brown guided them to the playoffs. Not to mention he had a pretty good staff.

Notice, I say STAFF. It’s not just the headcoach. The assistants along with the rest of the STAFF have to teach these guys. Oakley was a MAJOR part of the success the frontcourt was having. This STAFF, especially Silas, does not hold anyone accountable. They just lolly-gag and go through the motions, without consequence AND without no one teaching them the right ways.

That’s all Brown and his staff were trying to do. The problem was the veteran leaders on the team at the time did not want to change. They thought what they were doing was right and they did not listen to Brown.

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by D.W.G. on Feb 11, 2012 7:10 AM EST up reply actions  

As much as we want to blame the staff

we just have a bad team. We place too much value on a few of our players and the truth is coming out… Derrick Brown was a good signing? No. Just a Scalabrine like fan favorite. Was Tyrus ever good? No. But the invisible ceiling we love to speak of was sp tempting. Hendo is decent. I’ll give him that. But he is not a future SG. At least not a starter. Jax/Wallace/Livingston for Biyombo and Maggette…Def not a good deal. Reggie gets a pass bc he has only been here 4 games. But he can feel the wrath too. Diaw is Diaw. Shouldve been traded when he had that stretch at the beginning of the season. DJ White and Mullens get a pass. Inconsistent but this is really their first chance. Plus White has been earned his starting spot and they still want to try other players. I still dont see what BB has done that White hasnt done consistently already. DJA is good. But I feel that he is feeling defeated. No amount of good play is gonna convince our FO that he can be the PG of the future. I dont blame him. All in all…our front office is cheap and afraid. There is no other way around it. Its our front office. They suck.

by focuslja on Feb 11, 2012 9:09 AM EST up reply actions  

DWG is correct. Coaching staff is terrible. No accountability and the system is terrible. We basically waste 10 seconds off every shot clock running high post crap that creates no offense. its not exactly a surprise that our offense is inefficient when we waste half the shot clock of every half court possession. should be using kembas ability to break down defenders early in the shot clock to get the defense scrambling but no…rather let doris and whatever other scrub big men hold the ball up on the high post while kemba pointlessly runs off ball just to get it back with 8 seconds left if he even does get it back.

this is literally our offense. watch the game tonight and really pay attention. its hilarious

by CatNation on Feb 11, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Blame the coaching all you want

its the players on the floor and the FO for being so scared to pull the trigger on everything and overvaluing our current roster. So what if one of our players go to another team and flourish? They arent doing it here. Let them go. Put a damn product on the floor. Anthony Davis bout to stop playing hard just so he can fall below our pick. Thats probably why Drummond went from clear number 1 to fighting for top 5. Not even new players want to come to this TRAINWRECK…

by focuslja on Feb 11, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

lol what?

you honestly think someone would wiff a few games and give up a few guaranteed millions to avoid a certain team? You do realize if their stock drops, we could pick them up a pick or two later if we don’t get the top pick. Stop being silly.

by jovox on Feb 11, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

That's one of the most ridiculous things you've ever said.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 11, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

The problem is NOT Larry Brown vs Paul Silas... It's MJ!!!

Silas and Brown have both had success. But jumping from one to the other was an extreme move, made by someone without a very thorough plan. MJ is the one behind the scenes orchestrating the big picture. And the pieces are not being put in place to succeed a they have previously in their careers.

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by southtunnel on Feb 11, 2012 10:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

BAHAHAHAHA

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by Ben Swanson on Feb 11, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Or we could stop trading players when they get good. That might help too!

Again, Bobcats suck.

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by Revshawn on Feb 11, 2012 8:50 PM EST up reply actions  

MORE PAIN TONIGHT !

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by chris in union county on Feb 11, 2012 9:54 AM EST reply actions  

Lol.

I’ve come to look forward to this post from you after every blowout.

I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 11, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Who knew "rebuilding" meant getting worse than any team in franchise history?

Does MJ like a challenge or what?

Let’s be honest… This rebuilding plan has dug a much bigger hole than anyone, including the front office, ever imagined.

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by southtunnel on Feb 11, 2012 10:08 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

It's a huge hole, but I don't know if it pushes us back any further.

We’ll begin to build after the draft next year. I imagine there will be a ton of changes at that point. We’ll be starting with a clean slate at that point.

I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 11, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

I read that, and in my head, I immediately

heard that sound from Price Is Right after a contestant loses, that womp womp womp noise.

I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 11, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

This is what upside over production does

esp in rebuilding…

yal gon listen to me one day…

by focuslja on Feb 11, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Not likely

But we know you’ll keep telling us anyway. :)

I’m looking forward to when all of us can have fun conversations again. Like, you know, when we actually win occasionally!

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by Bring Back Primoz on Feb 11, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

The only player that supports your pessimistic theory is Tyrus.

Or are you blaming this on Bismack?

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 11, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Its not pessimistic

Pessimistic is if we were 11-18. Not 3 and 20,000…This is FACT. We placed too much value on “maybes and hopefullys” and “upside this ceiling that”…since JAX name one player that we got, draft or FA (other than Reggie Williams) that actually does what they can actually do? Not that “I see Heart” or “He could be Kobe” or “Similar to Ibaka” crap. Now we are stuck with a bunch of “maybes”…

by focuslja on Feb 11, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

It's hard to follow you Focus.

Who are these maybes and hopefully’s?

Are you suggesting that we don’t know what Diop, Boris, Carroll, Maggette, or Najera do?

Or what about D.J., or Kemba, or Henderson?

The only players you could possibly be talking about are Tyrus and Bismack.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 11, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

And Bismack had a good game last night.

Please just explain who you’re referring to.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 11, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

McGuire has had good games...

Hendo, Kemba (thus far), Tyrus, BB are supposedly (God, I mean Jeremy Lin, I hope this isnt our main core) our main core. All of these players are surviving and making it off or hope. DJ Augustin is not in this group bc he is complete. He does what he needs and can do. We know his weaknesses. But he cant make himself grow. These other guys are “maybe if they develop in this or that or get coaching in this or that or in a few years they might be able to” type of players…I WANT AT LEAST TWO WINNERS. We shouldve spent that 8mil on Thornton. We should use our trade Exception. Take a risk. We lookin real bad. And unless we have a totally different team next year we will be just as bad. Too many players in the league to just say “we can draft a such and such in 2013”

by focuslja on Feb 11, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

You really think you've been the ONLY player complaining about Tyrus?

Henderson has performed well enough this year, so I don’t know why you are still taking shots at him. Kemba has been impressive in every area of the game at times, he just needs to work on his consistency and shooting. Bismack is a RAW ROOKIE that had a good game last night so exactly what are you complaining about now with him? Is it the “hope” that he becomes a better player that got us blew out last night? Because he was one of the best, if not the best, performer on our team last night. Even better than Reggie Williams Focus. If we would’ve spent 8 million on Thornton (which would come from……….) we would be probably 2 games better and WE WOULD STILL be getting blew out. Funny how you think Thornton can make up 30 points by himself. And OF COURSE we will have a totally different team next year. Please, explain to me what makes you think we are settled in on this roster.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 11, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

There is only ONE draft

and we only have one pick…Oh and Im not a “player”…Kemba I like but the reasoning behind his pick is still baffling. I think he will do fine. But the reasoning scares me. “Heart”…wtf is that? Hendo is ok. But I wouldve waited til next season to give him an extension. He isnt quite where he should be to be talking two more years off a whim. Desire is fine. Not enough to start handing out 2yr contracts. I dont care how “like-able” a player is. Reggie Williams being good is going to make us penalize him now huh? The guy just came off an injury 5 games ago. Legs get sore. But He is no exception to criticism and if he continues to put up 6pts, then he will feel the wrath lol…No if we had Thornton, we wouldnt be getting blown out. Have you seen his game log? 18ppg throw a steal in there too. He would have very big numbers here bc we dont have anyone else that scores. I just pray we dont think Anthony Davis is an excuse not to make some smart moves in FA. I just get the feeling we will pick up what I like to call “poo puds” in FA bc we are scared to make moves…SHAKE THINGS UP CHO…dont be scared. Im starting to feel his ideas get shot down alot…

by focuslja on Feb 11, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

You also said we'd be much more competitive once Reggie Williams started playing.

Players don’t operate in a vacuum. Thornton is a good player, but who is to say that with our poor offensive sets/ball movement/screen-and-rolls that Thornton wouldn’t be reduced in terms of what he could produce?

Thornton is fine, but not the anti-dote to all our woes, just a decent scoring, NBA-level SG with other flaws in his game.

by Aisander D on Feb 11, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Cool job on pointing out a typo.

You think Kemba’s “heart” was the only reason we drafted him? Did you not see him in the national championship game or the tournamnent for that matter? Have you not seen him at times this year where he has looked great? It’s funny that you can sit here and say you like a pick but at the same time complain about it. I’m not sure exactly what you’re talking about with Hendo and an extension. He hasn’t been offered one yet. I think you need to review your facts. Reggie Williams being good is going to “penalize” him? How? I said LAST NIGHT Bismack had a BETTER game than Reggie Williams, but you have no issues pointing at Bismack instead of Reggie for last night. How the hell is that fair? Yes, if we had Thornton, we would STILL be getting blown out. You want to talk about overrating players. That’s exactly what you do for EVERY player that’s not on the Bobcats now. Thornton can make up 30 points by himself? How? Good grief. 18 ppg. How much better is that than Henderson? But I guess because he “scores” in different ways the points matter more. We do have other people that can score. Kemba can score. DJ can. Hendo, Williams, and Maggette can score as well. What are you talking about? And who is saying Anthony Davis is an excuse not to sign free agents? You still want this magical overnight plan but IT IS NOT HAPPENING. The blowouts are disheartening, sure, but it’s best to sit through this thing right now then make MORE moves on mediocre players that tie up the cap even more. You’re talking about what we won’t do in free agency like we are in free agency right now.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 11, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

gerald henderson

was our most consistent player, and the player showing the steadiest improvement

you’re talking about him being on the bench, when the reality is, with his defensive presence, he’d start for most teams in the NBA

stop devaluing him please, it’s getting really old

by adamcawa on Feb 12, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

You realize many of the successful franchises you often point have been built on "maybes and hopefullys"

Many of the top stars in the league entered the league as “potential/upside” draft picks and then took years to develop and start producing on a consistent level.

So if you plan on building a team around solid veteran players that we can afford/convince to come here, then we’re going to reproduce those atrocious Larry Brown teams everytime.

Frankly, I’m not sure what your strategy is. You’re unhappy with all of our draft picks for the past 8 years, and your solutions tend to involve flawed, expensive, or unattainable players. When you do offer solutions you offer no evidence or logical argument as to why we should pursue that player.

“Anyone can see that player X is better than all the garbage we have. Someday ya’ll are going to wise up that I know everything.” – Is not a valid or logical argument FYI.

by Aisander D on Feb 11, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Well,

why don’t we just trade Najera and Carroll for Howard and package Thomas and Diaw for Derron Williams, Marshon Brooks, and Anthony Morrow.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 11, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Nope

Najera’s contract is valuable being that it is expiring. Why hasnt it been moved yet. We dont have the luxury to wait til the deadline like the good teams. Tyrus should either be traded for Blatche or waived cut tarred and feathered…

PS…none of those dudes should have EVER been on our team anyway…

by focuslja on Feb 11, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Najera's isn't that valuable as an expiring. You're really overrating it's trade value.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 11, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Nobody is taking Najera

Unless we take back someone with multiple years left on their deal, which is worse than keeping him. Look dude, we’re dealing with lemons here. Cho’s phone isn’t ringing off the hook with offers for Najera, Diaw, Tyrus, and Diop.

6 feet of Smooth

by Bring Back Primoz on Feb 11, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

U must have A1 credit by now

anyway…we might just need a multi year contract…ever thought or that? Is it gonna kill us to get a multi year contract? No. Is Morrow not worth having? Is Corey Brewer not worth having? Is Brandon Rush not worth having? Its some players worth having. Pieces. It may not start with the STAR. Hell getting the star may not be our last piece. But these guys are playing at a high level. Or decent enough to be considered.

by focuslja on Feb 11, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I would take them

I just doubt Najera is going to seal the deal.

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by Bring Back Primoz on Feb 11, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Morrow?

Yes. Brewer and Rush? No.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 11, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Brewer been doin his numbers

I’d rather have him than Derrick Brown…

by focuslja on Feb 11, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I would too,

but Brewer makes about 3 times as much and is on the Nuggets. He’s not a player I’m interested in trading one of our pieces for, but I would prefer him over Brown. And on most nights, over Maggette as well.

I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 11, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I just hope we shake things

up for the sake of having something to look forward to. Back to using Visualization techniques while looking at the the 2012 FAs

by focuslja on Feb 11, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree that a change in the short term

would be nice that doesn’t interfere with our long term goals. That’s why I’m becoming more of a proponent of trading for Blatche. If we are going to try an inside out game, we may as well upgrade in the inside. Blatche would instantly be our best interior scorer. By far!

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 11, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

can i ask you something focus?

you’re complaining about our roster in its current state

we have a chance to completely blow it up and get rid of everyone, every single player on teh bobcats, if we choose to, including the rookies, then sign anyone we want

your solution, though, instead, is to start overpaying people now? why brandon rush when we could have eric gordon? why ANY of those players, when the trickle down effect of 2013 will get us a better player regardless?

by adamcawa on Feb 12, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

I don’t understand his fascination with overrating mediocre players (mostly wing players) while at the same time belittling the ability of our current starting SG.

by JDeLong42 on Feb 13, 2012 2:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Im about to pull up some old

draft statements from me…just to prove what things have come into fruition so far…

by focuslja on Feb 11, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

That's not what I'm talking about.

If you tell me in a reasonable fashion, using what statistics are available, that player X would be a good pick up for the Bobcats and would do X things for the team. I’m willing to listen and hear out trade ideas.

But when you say “Everyone we have is a scrub, we need Terrico White, ya’ll should listen to me.” It’s less than convincing.

by Aisander D on Feb 11, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Lmao!!!!

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 11, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

Funny how we had enough talent on paper at the beginning of the year to fight for a playoff spot but now the roster is just so god awful that everyone in the front office should be shot, stabbed, burned, and hanged.

I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 11, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

What happened to us CB?

Looking at old post. We used to be the best of friends. I also noticed that ADAM, BBP and the other scrub disagree with everything I say. Aint nothing changed. I tried to be like you guys. I tried to be blindly optimistic. I tried to overrate our players. That didnt work for us. Who knew that NJ, CLE, WAS would kill us. Not just win but DOMINATE and UTTERLY DESTROY us? I def didnt know. But what I do know is that being blindly optimistic doesnt work for Focus. I also didnt know that BB and Diaw would suck so bad. I knew Tyrus would. I knew Hendo was subpar. I didnt know DJ White would be one of our best players. What can I say?

by focuslja on Feb 11, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol. I have never had any issues with you Focus, just your reasoning.

Henderson has been one of the best, if not our very best player this season, so calling him subpar as opposed to everyone else on the team is crazy. But I guess it’s the SG’s responsiblity to take the blame for the team’s performances right? I’m still not seeing what’s making you say BB sucks so bad. 8 and 10, 1, 1 ,1 last night in 30 minutes of play. Those are basically Okafor type numbers. It’s crazy that you can’t see the improvement he’s made since preseason. Your boy Bo-Jo now sucks so bad too huh? But we “know” what he can do right? And you continually give the coaching a pass but what’s so different from opening night against Milwaukee and our game against the Heat til now? A couple of injuries? Why was the squad good enough then but not now?

I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 11, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

BB did that ONE night

sure you can argue his other double double but so what. DJ White does that every night. Yet he is going back to the bench. Tyrus playing SF? Why are doing this? Its ridiculous. Corey Higgins? Why has this not been mentioned anywhere but here? Do fans not care that Rod Higgins is putting money back in his pocket by signing his son? Does no one care, Hendo is one of the best players thus far. But I dont look at it like that. Our team isnt good anyway. Tinsley looked good in the d-league…get what Im saying?

by focuslja on Feb 11, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

The DJ White situation is puzzling

I’m not sure what’s going on honestly. I wonder if we already feel like we know what we got with DJ so we’re using those minutes to see what we have with other guys. Maybe he’s battling an injury? Not sure.

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by Bring Back Primoz on Feb 11, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure you can argue his other double double, but so what?

What do you mean so what? Is it one game or not? You can’t keep saying that because it hasn’t been just one good game he’s had. You just allow yourself to remember “oh he had one good game that time” but the fact is he’s had SEVERAL. Maybe not good games by your standards, but good games by where he is in his developmental process. Are you really saying that he isn’t going to get better? As for White going back to the bench and Tyrus playing SF? Those are the reasons why I’m placing more blame on the coaching staff. Those aren’t “lack of talent” related moves that you claim are leading to these blowouts. That’s just bad coaching. I’ve had an issue with the Corey Higgins signing from day one, so that’s not really something you need to bring up to me. And no, I don’t get what you’re saying by Tinsley was good in the D-League. Henderson, AT WORST, is 6th man caliber in this league. He’s really not the one you should be complaining about.

I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 11, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

That’s my only beef with focus. I feel like no one really wants to surround themselves with people who act like they’re smarter than everyone else. Chill with the bravado.

Focus, I feel like you need to take a deep breath sometimes. We’ve been cool until the last month or so but as the wheels have come flying on this season (and trust me, we all recognize they are FLYING OFF!), you’re starting to go to a deep dark place as a fan. We all want the best for this team and it’s super frustrating. I never doubt your dedication as a fan and I just feel like you’re letting the frustration get the best of you.

We’ve reached the point now where we have no choice but to just laugh at the situation. None of us have any control over the situation, but can only control how we respond to it. I’m asking you to join us on chill side. Feel free to keep floating trade ideas and D-League call ups. That’s cool. And I don’t feel like any of us are blindly optimistic here. It’s bad and we all know it. We just choose not to flip out in every thread because it doesn’t do any good.

6 feet of Smooth

by Bring Back Primoz on Feb 11, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

That’s why when I go on rants on Focus I always end up apologizing because I don’t mean it. But here’s a name for ya. Cut Higgins and bring in Blake Ahearn in the meantime.

I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 11, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Lin pt 2?

The guy has this finger roll thing he does that looks pretty cool. And he distributes well…

by focuslja on Feb 11, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

He's got good passing instincts

and size. I’m certain he would do better from our point guard spot than what Higgins has.

I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 11, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup.

I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 11, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

We have never been cool

if you want to be honest… Not personal beef but we have never agreed. Im not laughin. It aint funny. Our team sucks worse than it ever has. Rebuilding or not, this is bad. But now the fans have become desensitized to the whole thing and thats just a sign of rooting for the Seattle SuperSonics or the Los Vegas Loan Sharks soon. Our team is terrible. And sometimes you gotta do something big to keep the fans from laughing at you. The fans laughing at their favorite team is unheard of. I’ve never seen Redskins fans laugh at the Redskins losing. I never seen a 49ers fan or Braves fan or Knicks fan or Orl fan laugh. I’ve also never say “its alright we gon get a good draft pick”…silly…Im not used to nonchalant fans. I sit and talk sports allday and never seen this before…I try not to compare others to Bobcats fans but this is crazy…

by focuslja on Feb 11, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

We may not agree but that's fine

I have no issue with someone having a different view of things. But it’s just a game man. Looking at the big picture, there are lots of things in life way more important than the Bobcats so I choose not to let it consume me. That’s all. I’ve been a STH since day one and have been to almost every home game since the team existed. I’m frustrated too but what I can I do about it other than complain? And really, what good does that do? The only way to stay sane is to believe this is leading to something greater sometime in the future.

6 feet of Smooth

by Bring Back Primoz on Feb 11, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps you've never seen New York fans show up to games with paper bags on their heads.

I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 11, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

lol las vegas loan sharks

i like that

Boone Logan is a good boy. So is David Robertson. Team A.J.

by goyanks69 on Feb 11, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

when the flip

have i EVER been blindly optimistic about this team?

Hendo is not subpar, either. Get your facts straight, please.

by adamcawa on Feb 12, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly what are these draft statements saying?

That we should take Brooks and Morris instead of Bismack or Kemba? And you think they would have really “saved” this franchise? And what makes what we “know” about Kemba so different than what we “know” about Brooks, Morris, Thompson, or anyone else?

I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 11, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

No one said anyone was gonna be a savior

Thats like saying if Stephen Graham and Reggie Williams was available, it doesnt matter because neither will save the team. I just would rather us take a player that already knows how to play…

by focuslja on Feb 11, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Bismack has had fairly decent games in 2 of his 3 starts.

Why are you still pointing the finger at him, other then the fact you just don’t like him? Review the numbers. And are you saying that Kemba doesn’t know how to play?

I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 11, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I like how MJ left at halftime and didn't return

He couldn’t take it anymore either. (I only lasted to the end of the third)

6 feet of Smooth

by Bring Back Primoz on Feb 11, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Lol.

M.J. said “f*** this, I’m bout to go see some hoes or somethin.”

I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 11, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

That looks like a fun crew.

I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 11, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

That cant rap

but have incredible beats…lol and shoes…

by focuslja on Feb 11, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Horrible collection of rappers.

I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 11, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Well at least

Will Smith is a better owner than MJ

by focuslja on Feb 11, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

When it comes to rapping

They’re no Stephen Jackson!

6 feet of Smooth

by Bring Back Primoz on Feb 11, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

That’s old school man. Kid-N-Play along with D.J. Jazzy Jeff & The Fresh Prince were the shit back in the day

One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.

by gunnin' gervin on Feb 11, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

he came back

and brought some other dude with him

by adamcawa on Feb 12, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Overall, there wasn't much to like

I thought Biz played his butt off. He was far from flawless but he battled for every single rebound. Too many of the other guys are accepting what’s happening to us so I did appreciate his effort and relentless. But boy do we suck.

6 feet of Smooth

by Bring Back Primoz on Feb 11, 2012 10:57 AM EST reply actions  

When I got home from the game last night

My 2012-13 ticket renewal packet was in the mailbox. The timing …… uhh, not so great.

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by Bring Back Primoz on Feb 11, 2012 12:10 PM EST reply actions  

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