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Nice read from the Observer. The question at this point seems to be Drummond or Davis. Guess Barnes has fallen out of the picture at this point, but he's still there at 3. Sullinger, Jones, Kidd-Gilchrist, Henson.........we're gonna get SOMEBODY good. However, I wonder if the top draft picks being big men would cause Biyombo to become trade bait. Though I do see Davis as a SF/PF hybrid.

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at 6'10"

and now pushing 240, Davis would be a HUGE small forward

Davis has the frame to put on a lot of muscle mass. He’s already put on about 20 pounds in his freshman season at Kentucky. There’s no reason to think that an NBA training staff couldn’t get him in the 250-260 range.

If we get the #1 pick we take Davis, no matter what.

If we end up with anything in the 2-5 department, we maybe wait to see who is taken number one (many mock drafts have the wizards taking drummond whether they pick 1 or 2), and then go from there. If davis is off the board, we look at drummond.

We could also look at getting two lottery picks for a top 5 pick (2-5, not number one) and work out a trade with Houston. If we end up with something like Terrence Jones and Fab Melo, I’m not gonna cry too much.

I’m not sure if we have anyone worth a lottery pick to trade except Kemba, who we’re certainly not trading. Maybe Hendo? I would be willing to get rid of Hendo or Kemba if we got the #1 or #2 pick, got Davis/Drummond, and then had our pick of MKG, Lamb, Barnes and Rivers.

Could you imagine a draft where we got Anthony Davis/Andre Drummon and MKB/Barnes? LOL then we could reach for a European with our early second round pick like Satoransky or Lima.

by adamcawa on Feb 1, 2012 12:09 PM EST reply actions  

Kemba to NO for their pick!

then go behind their backs and sign eric gordon hahaha

by adamcawa on Feb 1, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not speaking as far as size,

but style of play. Davis is ultra athletic and can do a lot, but ultimately I question how great he can be at center or power forward. It’s not just him though, I question everyone in the draft at those regards. And if we pulled off a trade like that we would be HELL. Lol.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 1, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Even if he still has some trouble with strength

He should still be a good long-term fit with BB. It’s not often a team has two big bangers starting together. Whether it’s the 4 or 5, BB guards the post player and Davis/Mullens guards the perimeter player. BB and Drummond would have a hard time on the court together, but then again you have to pick the best player available.

by Batumshakalaka on Feb 1, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

While i was watching the game last night i was messing around and rolled across a draft projection for this year and while i dont know how old it was it had us taking Davis at the number 2 and Kris Joseph out of Syracuse with our pick in the 2nd. I like that draft a lot.

And i dont care what anyone says we as Bobcats fans want our team to do the best they can each and every night but we all knew what this season was for us before the first tip-off so us already looking towards the draft isnt wrong. Its seeing what could on the horizon for our future and sanity.

by Rvdbbw on Feb 1, 2012 12:24 PM EST reply actions  

Absolutely.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 1, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

that's nbadraft.net's most recent mock draft from the 26th of january

next one should have us taking davis with the #1 pick since they base their lottery projections solely on if the season ended today and lottery balls didn’t exist

by adamcawa on Feb 1, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

It would be great if they lottery didn't exist.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 1, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

some people support it, some don't

personally, i like the idea of making sure the worst team in the league has a chance to turn things around

i don’t think tanking is as common as people like to say it is

yes the cavs tanked, but they tanked for a player that may go down as the best of all time, and more importantly for them at the time, was from Ohio – and that was WITH the lottery

by adamcawa on Feb 1, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

If competitive balance is what the leauge is truly aiming for, do away with the lottery. Rose shouldn’t be a Bull right now quite honestly. Also it would make sense to give an expansion team the top pick. I know that wouldn’t be fair to other teams, but the lottery isn’t. Look at the NFL. No lottery, and no tanking. And if there is tanking, its not bad enough for anyone to complain about a team losing on purpose because that NEVER happens. Coaches an players refuse to allow it. The closest thing I’ve ever seen to tanking was when the Wolves or someone allowed Mark Madsen to shoot 3s on the final few games. But even that isn’t equivalent to players coming out and laying down. He was trying to make those shots.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 1, 2012 2:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

The Panthers tanked the 2010 season.

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 1, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

If you want to call it that, sure.

But not too many in the media have crucified them for it.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 2, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Because Jerry Richardson has them in their pocket.

See: Gantt, Darin.

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 2, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

And Jerry Richardson also had a lockout he knew was coming.

And also was fielding a team that treading water. And also ended up with a great QB in the end. No one is thinking about what happened to get Newton in Carolina.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 2, 2012 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Funny, he didn't mind raising ticket prices, lockout or not.

And we’ll see about what a “great quarterback” he has.

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 2, 2012 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

He's not a winner!

Rabblerabblerabble

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by Panthers FTW on Feb 3, 2012 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

You know it's coming.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 3, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

His ability to lead his team to victories?

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 3, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

There it is!

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by Panthers FTW on Feb 3, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

It was only a matter of time.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 3, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Shame on him for not leading a previously 2-14 team

To the playoffs in his rookie year when they played 7 games against playoff teams and one against a Bears team that was a playoff contender until Cutler and Forte went down and another against a Tennessee team that finished 9-7.

10 of 16 Panther opponents finished .500 or better. You really expect a rookie to lead a previously 2-14 team to the playoffs against a schedule like that?

by JDeLong42 on Feb 3, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Funny...

Dalton didn’t have such problems.

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 4, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

My goodness, really?

Do I have to spoonfeed you this stuff?

Panthers opponents: 129-127
Bengals opponents: 126-130

The Panthers had the worst defense in the NFL this year according to Football Outsiders. They had the 4th best offense after being 32nd last year. Andy Dalton led the Bengals to a whopping 3 spot rise from 17 to 14.

Carolina’s Cam Newton-led offense had the 5th best Drive Success Rate, as opposed to the Bengals 24th ranked. Even though the Bengals had the 5th best average starting field position, compared to 18th for the Panthers.

To summarize, the Panthers offense (what Cam can control) = elite. The Panthers defense (what Cam can’t control) = horrendous.

The Bengals offense (what Dalton can control) = average. The Bengals defense (what Dalton can’t control) = average and aided by an offensively inept schedule.

For as intelligent as you seem to be I’m surprised you fall into the ignorance of believing that one player single handedly is responsible for a team’s win/loss record.

by JDeLong42 on Feb 4, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not ignorance.

It’s just a practice of seeing how much crap he can try to force people to believe so he can one day attempt to take over the world like a dictator brainwashing the public.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 4, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmm...

Looks like the difference is almost exactly in the number of losses the Panthers took to their opponents that the Bengals didn’t. Not seeing how that helps you. Further, no matter what stats you want to cite, Newton was directly at fault in the majority of their losses with his awful, back-breaking turnovers. In the rare times he was able to avoid them, the “horrendous” defense was somehow able to win the game.

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 4, 2012 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

If you think so.

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 5, 2012 1:06 AM EST up reply actions  

nothing about this argument is rational

the fact that you’ve been able to keep people replying to this utter nonsense is mind boggling

i mean, there’s only two options present here and neither should be worth replying to

either you actually believe what you are typing about cam newton, and if so, no amount of rationality or reasoning is going to change your faulty opinion, so it’s an utter waste of time to argue

or you’re just being your usually, trolling self who enjoys getting a rise out of people, so it’s an utter waste of time to argue

i wish people would figure this out already

by adamcawa on Feb 6, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Newton has NOT been a good NFL QB.

Just a good fantasy one.

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 6, 2012 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup.

Taking your offense from one of the worst in NFL history to top 5 in one year with bascially no training camp is just him being a good fantasy QB. I’m done with talking about Cam to you. Turn on ESPN, Yahoo, MSN, whatever. Everyone else knows it.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 6, 2012 8:26 PM EST up reply actions  

And he increased the team's wins by four.

Dalton’s Bengals improved by five. Tebow’s Broncos did as well.

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 7, 2012 1:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Rookie of the Year.

Nothing more needs to be said regarding this. You’ve lost.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 6, 2012 8:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I bet DeAngelo Williams, Vernon Davis, and Jay Cutler are REAL bitter about losing out on the Rookie of the Year Award to Vince Young. What’s he up to these days again?

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 7, 2012 1:46 AM EST up reply actions  

you do realize that

even hall of fame quarterbacks have had losing seasons, right?

last time i checked, the quarterback doesn’t play defense… or block… or catch the ball

newton’s strengths dramatically outweight his faults

to believe otherwise is simply delusional… or incredibly stubborn and narrowminded

by adamcawa on Feb 3, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Or all three.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 3, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

And?

Who is crying about the ticket prices. You may want to check every sports site in the world. Cam is the truth. You hating on him is beyond pathetic.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 3, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

6-10.

I check nfl.com/standings.

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 3, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

What will you say

when he’s named Offensive Rookie of the Year tonight?

by JDeLong42 on Feb 3, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

6-10 of course.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 3, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll say Andy Dalton and AJ Green got robbed.

Stats in a losing cause mean nothing outside of the fantasy world.

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 4, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

So Andy Dalton is playing for the Super Bowl this weekend?

They went undefeated?

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 4, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Nearly as bad?

Lmao. Trust me, as a die hard Carolina fan, NO ONE was near as bad as us. That’s also not mentioning that we have an ENTIRE new coachig staff while the Bengals don’t, meaning an entire change in philosphy. I know you don’t watch sports often, but there is a great difference in the personnel it takes to be a run oriented and pass oriented team. We still have the players to be a run oriented team and still was still able to jump to a top 5 offense.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 6, 2012 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

We improved by four wins and were never in the playoff race.

The Bengals and Broncos improved by five wins while also making the playoffs.

You’re totally right about the Panthers’ troubles with personnel. It must have been super hard to have top ten players at wideout (Smith), TE (Olsen), and RB (X2!-Stewart, Williams.)

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 7, 2012 1:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Rookie of the Year is for the best Rookie

Why isn’t Randall Cobb in the running? His team went 15-1. What about Nate Solder? His team is in the Super Bowl.

Even though Newton’s team only went 6-10, he was clearly the best rookie by a wide margin.

by JDeLong42 on Feb 4, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Because he didn't contribute much as a KR/#5 receiver.

Fantasy numbers are great, but they only matter when the team succeeds as well.

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 4, 2012 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he was a great asset to the Patriots this year.

But the fact that he didn’t start all of their games certainly hurts.

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 5, 2012 1:07 AM EST up reply actions  

And Roy Williams made the Pro Bowl the year before he was a backup for the Bengals.

What’s your point?

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 5, 2012 1:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Lmao.

That should tell you how GOOD the Bengals defense was and why Dalton didn’t have to do nowhere near as much as Cam.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 6, 2012 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

What does Roy Williams' performance several years ago tell me about Dalton, exactly?

Excellent English, by the way.

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 7, 2012 1:48 AM EST up reply actions  

So Alex Smith is one of the best QB's in the league.

You don’t realize it’s like suicide what you’re doing right now Michael.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 3, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course Alex Smith is one of the best

And the worst QB in the league is hands down Peyton Manning. He went 3-13 as a rookie and led the league in interceptions. I’m glad the Colts gave up on him after that year ………. SMH

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by Bring Back Primoz on Feb 3, 2012 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

But, but, but

Peyton Manning was actually good in college. Everyone knew he was going to be great so his rookie year was an obvious fluke. Cam only went to college two years and won a weak JUCO championship and then went on to take advantage of a good situation in Auburn and won a title there. That’s not even mentioning how down competition was that year. You wanna talk about breaking records? How about team records. QB is the leader on the field and the team’s record is a great way of telling if you have a good one or not. 6-10 don’t cut it.

(Anything else I forgot to add Michael?)

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 3, 2012 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Pretty solid.

I mean, Newton himself said his season was a failure (in between belittling the accomplisments of his teammates and opining about his “destiny” to beat the Falcons in Atlanta as a rookie.) Why would you disagree with the man himself?

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 4, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

You're right.

I expect greatness from him and the team moving forward. Anything less than a SB appearance from here on out is a failure to me. Newton is the reason I have those expectations.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 4, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

He's certainly one of the better QBs in the league.

But I’d certainly take Rodgers or Stafford or Brees or Manning or Brady ahead of him. Smith’s ability to avoid the major, back-breaking turnovers was one of the major factors that won the 49ers games. The opposite was one of the major factors that lost the Panthers games.

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 4, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Hell no. Special teams and defense lost most of those games.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 4, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I mean,

the Panthers did have a +1 turnover margin for the year. So I don’t think turnovers were all that big a deal for the season.

by JDeLong42 on Feb 4, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

And yet were 6-10.

Imagine if Newton hadn’t been one of the league leaders in interceptions.
P.S.: Check the record when he DIDN’T turn the ball over.

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 4, 2012 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

If you really honestly think it's all Newton's fault

You’re beyond convincing and you’re really not that intelligent when it comes to football.

by JDeLong42 on Feb 5, 2012 12:04 AM EST up reply actions  

If you really honestly think Newton had no blame

You should ask him. He thinks his season was a “failure.”

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 5, 2012 1:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I didn't say he had no blame

But to think he wasn’t very good or a disappointment after the year he had, you’re setting your expectations astronomically high. Of course he’s going to say the season was a failure, he’s a competitor. But as fans, there really shouldn’t be any reason to not be excited about this past year and what’s ahead in the future.

Honestly, how do you call yourself a Panther fan and at the same time bash Newton and the team for taking a big step towards competing for the extended future?

by JDeLong42 on Feb 5, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Because he wasn't very good at winning games.

Plenty of other high picks came in and produced as WELL as contributing to winning teams. AJ Green and Andy Dalton in Cincinnati. Aldon Smith in San Francisco. Von Miller in Denver.

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 5, 2012 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

So what you're telling me

Is that all those individual players are better than Newton because their respective teams played better?

by JDeLong42 on Feb 5, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, absolutely.

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 6, 2012 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know how one would "such."

Not a verb.

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 6, 2012 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Easy.

Because he’s not a Panther fan.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 6, 2012 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Love it.

Thank you for informing me. I will promptly return my PSL deed and merchandise. It will be hard to give back the mileage for training camp visits, though. Any suggestions?

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 7, 2012 1:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Here's a thought,

why don’t you talk about Dalton’s turnovers compared to Cam’s turnovers and holler back.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 6, 2012 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, they had the same amount of turnovers via fumbles (2), though Newton probably shouldn’t get credit for putting it on the ground 25% more often (5-4.) If you’d like to look at INTs, Newton threw 30% more of those (17-13.) And, since you’ll probably whine about how Newton had to throw more because of the awful talent around him (ignoring, of course, the fact that Smith>Green, Stewart>Benson, Williams>Bernard Scott, Olson>Gresham, and Shockey>Donald Lee), well then Dalton still had a lower INT% than Newton, that by a similar 32% (3.3%-2.5%.) Further, Dalton was able to avoid team-killing multi-turnover games. In the four games where both QBs threw 3+ picks, their teams lost each one. However, Dalton only had one of those four games. Newton had three of them, two of which (ATL and DET) were tied in the fourth quarter, the other of which (GB) was a one-score game with 10:00 remaining.

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 7, 2012 1:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Davis is looked at as the only SURE thing in this draft. Id love to have him in Charlotte. But at this point id love to have anybody that can help this team…we need A LOT of it.

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by MMA_PITBULL on Feb 1, 2012 2:31 PM EST reply actions  

indeed

thankfully, since we have so many holes to fill, if we can’t get davis or even drummond we can still get somebody useful!

by adamcawa on Feb 1, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

There really isn't a single position I wouldn't take.

Not a guy on the roster I feel will definitely be a borderline all-star type starter in five years.

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 1, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 2, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

maybe hendo?

but then again, probably not while he’s on the Bobcats

he’s already a 15 point per game player on a terribly bad offensive team, so i can’t imagine it’s much of a stretch to see him be a 20 point, 5 rebound, 3 assist and 1.5 steal guy.

by adamcawa on Feb 2, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree.

But I can’t imagine a guy worthy of being picked #1 as an SG wouldn’t be better. And Henderson would still slot in great as a sixth man or even a part-time starter at SF.

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 2, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Does anyone know when

if ever, was the last time a player won the defensive player of the year and national player of the year NCAAB awards in the same season?

If it has been done, by whom, and how many times?

Not trivia, I’m genuinely curious.

by adamcawa on Feb 1, 2012 3:05 PM EST reply actions  

did some research

Tim Duncan won the Naismith College Player of the Year in 1997 and the NABC Defensive Player of the year in the same season. Kenyon Martin did it in 2000 as co-player of the year with Shane Battier and Shane Battier won the NABC, and the Naismith, by himself in 2001.

I was a little shocked to find out that the NABC has only been around since 1986. Were there other defensive player of the year awards prior to then?

by adamcawa on Feb 1, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Im starting to really like

Kidd-Gilchrist if we cant get Davis or Drummond. I am a UNC fan but Im a little worried about Barnes. I think Gilchrist could become a monster at SF and we obviously have a huge hole at SF.

by Bobcats_Ball on Feb 1, 2012 3:33 PM EST reply actions  

Chad Ford of ESPN thinks

MKG’s scoring ability will translate well to the NBA. As an avid Kentucky fan, I have my doubts. Part of me wants to trust Chad Ford’s assessment, but the other part of me knows that I’ve probably watched more Kentucky games than he has. I like MKG, he hits open shots, he has shown he can create his own shot, but I also know that defenses sometimes lose him, which easily happens when you play a 6 man rotation of players who can all create their own shot.

MKG certainly a better all around player and can contribute in many areas, but Barnes is athletic and is projected to score well at the NBA level. Can his athleticism carry him to excel in other areas?

I would ultimately say that MKG is a safer pick, but Barnes may have the higher upside.

by adamcawa on Feb 1, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

i am a dookie fan so you can take it with a grain of salt if you want but ill take MKG all day everyday when given the option of the two. I think he is the better player. Barnes was supposed to blow people away last year…never did came on towards the end of the season. He came back to school and hasn’t really shown up much this year either. Kid is good but we need somebody with heart who can lead this team and i do not think Barnes fits that mold. I think if he comes to Charlotte where we have little to nothing around him he will struggle. MGK>Barnes all day

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by MMA_PITBULL on Feb 1, 2012 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

im a huge uk fan

i was trying to be as unbiased as possible… but yeah im an mkg man no question, i’d take him with the third pick in the draft

by adamcawa on Feb 1, 2012 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

There's also the question of Roy Williams' players in the NBA.

Before Lawson (who is helped by the system Denver uses), who was the last Roy Williams-coached player to meet or exceed his NBA expectations? Paul Pierce?

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by MichaelProcton on Feb 1, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Sean May

met every expectation I had of him

by adamcawa on Feb 2, 2012 1:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Haha...

Me, too.

I gotta stop takin' my baths durin' Peter's shenanigans.

by MichaelProcton on Feb 2, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

interesting

Just crossing fingers hard for a top 3 pick – we’ll get a good player for sure.

Davis – I actually see him in the mold of a KG but his shot blocking ability is through the roof. I’ve caught a few UK games and of course he’s gotta work on some post moves but he’s got some nice touch on some jumpers he’s shown.

Drummond – love this kid, athletic C’s like him don’t come along very often. I actually will say Drummond’s ceiling is higher than Davis but I think Davis is safer with plenty of upside. Like Davis he’s raw but he’s young and just depends on how hard he’s willing to work.

Barnes – said it before in a diff thread, I’m a UNC grad so bias is there BUT I have no clue where people are getting he has no heart or he hasn’t improved this season. The guy could’ve left for the NBA last season when his stock got pretty high but he had some unfinished business and came back. The dude is a competitor and he’s got that fire to be a great player – that’s from talking to people that are closer to the program. As for improvement – he’s a much much more efficient scorer…. he’s not going to light it up and score 20+ a game simply b/c of the team he’s on and the fact that the ball goes into the paint first on offense. If he was the focal point of a team’s offense – yeah 20+ ppg is happening but what he’s doing this year is getting to the hoop more, getting more FT attempts, and just taking better shots period and that’s personally the type of improvement I wanted to see from him this season.

Now there are some legit concerns about his handles which can be better and if he can get to the hoop consistently in the NBA but the kid has what I call “sneaky” athleticism (check his put back dunk vs NC State last week). He’s an efficient player – if we can’t get Davis or Drummond, I would be thrilled to get Barnes.

With MKG – I honestly haven’t watched him enough to get a good gauge but ironically would Gerald Wallace with more upside be a decent comparison? Is pretty long and does seem to do most of his damage going to the hoop and in the paint.

by JPCats785 on Feb 1, 2012 8:55 PM EST reply actions  

oops

inb4 tl:dr

Got carried away there :p

by JPCats785 on Feb 1, 2012 8:56 PM EST reply actions  

With the #1 pick you want to get the best player.

Do the Cats have another first round pick? You really need a shooter/scorer. A leader. Barnes would be great, but he’s not a #1 pick.

by senelcoolidge on Feb 4, 2012 11:37 PM EST reply actions  

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