David Lee for Boris Diaw?
by dubzfan on Jan 8, 2012 5:18 AM EST
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Would you guys do this? To be perfectly honest Lee does not fit well here in Golden State seeing as though we don't play to his strength's offensively and he's really not a help on defense. Clearing his contract would help us tremendously in the future. You guys lack consistent scoring and have the defense to make up for Lee, I think Bismack Biyombo will be awesome down the road and is the perfect player next to David Lee. And while I think we'd only offer this if we continue to be disappointing around the deadline I think it should be looked at for both sides. He'd be your first legit scoring big ever as well.
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exactly
This is what came out of my mouth when I seen the title of this thread. LOL
One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.
by gunnin' gervin on Jan 8, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
We don't have one
Part of the reason id want to dump his contract , do we aren’t cOmpletwly handcuffed
RIP Al Davis
by dubzfan on Jan 8, 2012 5:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
they wouldnt do that
bad decision by GSW.. they have enough former bobcats on their team
"I don’t want to shoot my mouth in my foot, but those are games we can win."
I mean I would do it
We need a scoring PF if BB is going to be our C. I know Lee’s contract is bad but on a team like this he can be a consistent all-star. He is not a good fit in GS.
I think GS would actually do it.
Anything to rid themselves of Lee’s contract. As for the Bobcats, Cho is described as a “wizard with the salary cap” so I don’t see any way that Cho would willing bring on a large salary commitment like Lee when we’re in the process of getting rid of our other bad contracts.
This is a move that might have happened with MJ at the helm, I don’t see it with Cho at the helm.
Yes but even though Lee's contract is bad
At least he is a fringe all-star player. I really wouldnt mind it.
Preach Brotha
LOL. I don’t think people realize that. The key to building a great team is finding assets that are under valued and getting the most out of it. Paying a borderline All Star perennial All Star money is hustling backwards
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by gunnin' gervin on Jan 8, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
i like Diaw expiring contract
unless we trade him for a legit all star then just let him walk after season to help free salary cap space. There is good free agent class this off-season so the cap space will be valuable. Also one of the teams going after Dwight Howard or Deron Williams might want Diaws contract
"I don’t want to shoot my mouth in my foot, but those are games we can win."
Rlando has said they want players to help them win now
Not just cap , they can get that by letting him walk
RIP Al Davis
by dubzfan on Jan 8, 2012 5:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don’t know about that. Lee was pretty damn good in NY and is still young.
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
If GS called with this idea, Cho would immediately hang up the phone
5 years, $67 million for a fringe All-Star? The definition of insanity. If we were interested in crap like that, Wallace (who is much better and cheaper) would still be here.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Jan 8, 2012 1:47 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
pretty much this
Though Lee would give us a nice lost post scoring option that we desperately need – it wouldnt make a ton of sense to give up the cap flexibility we’re on our way to achieving by taking on Lee’s contract.
As much as I can’t stand Diaw’s inconsistencies – at the very least he’s got an expiring contract and I’m hoping Cho may be able to find a way to swing a trade to get some value for him.
from GSW
i would rather have Ekpe Udoh. He at least has potential, David Lee has topped out.. obviously the salaries have a big gap between them
"I don’t want to shoot my mouth in my foot, but those are games we can win."
There are certainly exceptions to be found
But I think Diaw may be most valuable to us if we just let him expire and free up the cap space.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Jan 8, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
Not so sure..
Would you take Diaw AND Tyrus?
If so, you got a deal
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by andrewlail76 on Jan 8, 2012 9:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Still no deal
I’ll take Randolph and Webster… thats about it. And thats probably the best and most possible trade we can get with Diaw.
If GS doesn't want his contract...
Then why did they give him a giant one to begin with???
I’ll never understand teams that do this kind of stupidity!
And hell no I don't want him...
We’ve sacrificed so much to rebuild. We’ve thrown away 2 of the best players CHA has every had, and one that was basically Jesus (he killed his body trying to resurrect Bball in CHA).
So if you are asking me if I want him….
On a talent basis…sure.
Realistically, with that contract hell nah! We can’t sabotage our efforts like that!
Tyrus and Matt Caroll for David Lee
I like the talent of David Lee although the contract is really huge and I don’t like the game of Tyrus because he is taking too many perimeter shots and very much prone to injury.. GSW will take it beacause of Matt Caroll expiring contract..
2012 bobcats
kemba/fa
henderson/williams
barnes/magette
lee/bismack/white
mullens/diop
not yet a championship team but can be a strong playoff team if we can draft barnes and sign some FA.
No David Lee please...
and no Barnes probably…hopefully
Hey!
anybody think our perfect opportunity to flip DJ is now here? Eric Maynor is out for the season. Leaving the Thunder with no real PG to backup Westbrook. And I dont think Ivey is good enough to backup on a championship squad. SOOO….why dont we flip DJ for OKC’s 1st rd pick? This might be our only chance to get something for DJ at this point. And its probably the best we can get from him.
by focuslja on Jan 9, 2012 3:23 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
And we better Hurry up
Cle: Have both Sessions and Gibson to give up
PHI: Has Meeks and Louis Williams to give up
Houston: Johnny Flynn, Dragic, Courtney Lee…you say Lee isnt a PG (neither is Westbrook)
We need to do it if we are gonna do it. Because its pretty much destined to be done.
Plainly put
DJ is worth more than a bottom five pick in the first round, and that’s what we’d likely get from OKC.
Exactly.
People feel the need to move DJ for next to nothing. Next year’s draft will be deep, but it’s not like you’re going to find any great players at the bottom of the round.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 9, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Disagreed.
If he’s not a part of the future plans (like I suspect), then we need to get something tangible out of him before we let him walk as a FA. I’d take any first round pick for him, especially if it was the best offer.
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by Panthers FTW on Jan 11, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
DJ back with his buddy Durant.
I want more than their pick for DJ. He’s more valuable than that.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 9, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
You're not going to get more than a pick for DJ.
That’s the cold hard reality of it. He’s only a rental.
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by Panthers FTW on Jan 11, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
Oh well. Just sign him to an extension then.
We have complete leverage with DJ. There shouldn’t be a sense of urgency to trade him because you fear you may slightly overpay him.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 11, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
But OKC loves Reggie Jackson
I don’t think they’re looking very hard for another PG yet.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Jan 9, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
IF they are at some point though, it'd be the perfect fit.
Eric Maynor is the better PG (in my mind) and as a rental player (shit, I’d pay his salary for the Thunder if I was Cho and if they were willing to give us their 1st round pick). We’ll just have to wait until the trade deadline probably.
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by Panthers FTW on Jan 11, 2012 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
No. DJ isn't a backup PG.
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
I actually agree with you here Focus.
It’s a perfect fit and it’s almost exactly the kind of market we’d be looking to trade DJ’s expiring contract into.
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by Panthers FTW on Jan 11, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
DJ's expiring rookie contract?
In other words, whoever gets him either needs to sign him again…or they lose him to a new contract elsewhere
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by andrewlail76 on Jan 14, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Who needs a PG
PHX and Utah and Denver come to mind but its a stretch. Plus that first rd pick can be used to move a player on draft day or a 3-team trade to acquire someone like Wes Johnson (who is losing minutes by the day bc he is forced to play SF when he’s a natural SG)…or TWILL lol…
Imagine a team with Wes
Reggie Will, DJ White and BB coming off the bench. That combo would make any backup PG look good. And believe me when I tell you that 2012 PG FA class is pretty damn stocked.
Maybe I said that backwards
either way his minutes are declining and Wayne Ellington is starting to get more and more minutes. He’s like GW but I just dont think he has a niche there. So Im sure we could use a late first rd’r to get him to us. He still has 2yrs left on his contract and he really fits the mold. And is alot better than D.Brown and Carroll. Pull the strings Cho. I know you’re reading it…
Why would Denver need another PG?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 9, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
Miller will be a FA
and just maybe they can convince DJ to play behind Lawson…
So will DJ.
I’m pretty sure any team trading for DJ will be looking to use him only as a rental player for this season, unless they’re the Lakers whose PG depth is worth a couple lols (Derrick Fisher and Steve Blake. SCARY!)
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by Panthers FTW on Jan 11, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
Why do you keep saying DJ is a rental?
He’s a young, sometimes explosive, scoring PG with a great assist to turnover ratio. He will be a RFA at the end of the year. I’m not sure why it’s so unbelievable that someone would keep DJ rather than being outbid for him.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 11, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
His contract is expiring.
Regardless of whether he’s a RFA or an UFA, by definition, he’s a rental.
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by Panthers FTW on Jan 11, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
But whoever has him as all leverage on if he continues playing for them or not.
Sure, he can go out and try to find a deal with another team but we’ll always have the right to match that offer and retain his services. He’s a rental only if you’re too cheap to pay the man when his turn comes up.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 11, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
If a contender trades for him (and trust me, they'll be the only one looking to trade a first for a PG)
then he’ll play backup PG for them and they’ll let him go when the deal expires. He’ll want to get paid like a starting PG, there aren’t a whole lot of starting PG jobs on contenders.
The ONLY team I see this being an exception for is the Lakers, who if they were to trade for Augustin, I could legitimately see them making a play on retaining him considering their currently laughable PG situation.
It’s just how things are man. I like DJ, but he’s inconsistent and had the lowest assist percentage in the league last year. He’s not as good as you want/think him to be/he is, it’s just how things are.
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by Panthers FTW on Jan 11, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
It's not about how good I want/think him to be,
it’s about how good he is and getting fair value back for him. He will want to get paid like a starting PG? It really doesn’t matter what he wants to get paid like, it’s about what team, if any, will offer him the money. I’m not sure if you’re familiar with how restricted free agency works but it’s not like Augustin can pull some magic number out his ass and go with it. He can’t just all of the sudden be like “I want 12 million or I’m leaving”. He has to find him a team to get him that kind of money and then he would have to bring that offer back to us. We can match that offer or decide not to. Us deciding not to is the ONLY circumstance where we risk losing DJ for nothing. Other than that, he can just sign an extension with us or sign the qualifying offer to become an UFA the NEXT YEAR where we then end up with a bigger risk of losing him for nothing. If DJ leaves, we’ll only have Kemba’s salary tied up at the PG position and he’s on a rookie scale meaning there will be PLENTY of money to pay Augustin. And considering that team’s must spend 85% of the cap, we will HAVE to pay that money to someone so we may as well use it on a proven commodity like D.J. You don’t have to get scared of paying the man and shit yourself on a trade just because you feel an urge to make a move. That’s piss poor asset management. From my perspective, you’re coming at this from too many angles. You’re talking about losing him for nothing and then talking about how good he isn’t. If you want to, talk about how we’ll need to trade Augustin because he is bad on defense and him and Kemba can’t be successful together. Don’t talk about how we need to trade him now because he will no doubt be a “rental” for whoever he plays for. It’s simply not true.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 11, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
We don't want to pay DJ though.
That’s the part I don’t understand. His ceiling doesn’t appear to be as high as Kemba’s (it’s a matter of when Kemba becomes the starting PG, not if) so what’s the point of paying a backup PG starting PG money? It makes absolutely zero sense. Unless he, for some reason, wants to be a backup the rest of his career, he won’t stay in Charlotte. So maybe he’ll sign his qualifying offer, we’re just delaying when we’ll have to inevitably trade to next year, because he sure isn’t staying here as a UFA.
It’s time to cut ties and get whatever first round pick we can get for him. Any first round pick is a good pick in my book. The more picks, the more opportunity to move up. And DJ is a rental. You can spin it however you want, his contract expires next season, so they’ll have to spend more money than his rookie contract if they want to re-sign him.
Anytime someone’s contract is expiring, they become a rental, because the receiving team would have to negotiate a new contract to retain him.
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by Panthers FTW on Jan 11, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
There is an exteme shift of leverage between
a restricted free agent and an unrestricted free agent. I’ll just leave it at that.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 11, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
He is good
Im only suggesting this trade bc everyone seems to think he’ll be traded. I’d rather have DJ than KW. Only because I like players that arent too old and arent too “new”…Young vets. But if we are going to trade him, the highest pick we’d get is maybe 18…nothing better.
It'll have to be a top 20 pick or better for me to be happy with the return.
Picks from the Lakers, Thunders, or any other good teams shouldn’t be considered.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 11, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Well my friend,
may as well let him walk. We wont get better than 18. Unless a PG gets hurt and the team isnt happy with the backup. So I wouldnt hold breath…
Well, may as well pay the man.
I don’t see why that is so out of the picture for everyone. 8 million per is the absolute MOST he can demand at this stage in his career. He’ll still have trade value at that figure.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 11, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Why string out the process longer than it has to though?
You know, he knows, everyone knows the future in Charlotte is Kemba Walker, not DJ Augustin. It’s time to move on.
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by Panthers FTW on Jan 11, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
Because if we're trying to put
ourselves in the best position to win as a team then it’s better to keep DJ on as a 6th man then trade him away for a lesser talent.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 11, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
It's about making smart financial decisions.
DJ may make us a little bit better than the person we get for a pick. HOWEVER, I doubt that’d he’d be 28 million dollars better over 4 years. That’d be the difference between the contract we’d have to ink DJ to and the rookie contract we’d be signing with the pick we get to him.
As a small market team, we need to take as much advantage of the cap as we possibly can. The Pacers are in an AMAZING position right now, and there is no way we could be in the same position if we were giving our backup PG 8 million dollars a year.
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by Panthers FTW on Jan 11, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
But do you not realize that we HAVE to spend 85%
of the cap regardless. Diop, Maggette, Boris, Najera, AND Carroll will all be off the books in two years. We will have to sign somebody just to get to the minimum point. Kemba and Bismack will still be on their rookie deals. Henderson will become a RFA. White and Mullens will be on their low level deals. Where do you think the money is going to go to? We’ll need to sign someone. Why not keep our own? I think the saving money thing is getting a little overboard. We will still have money to sign a superstar and someone else if we wanted to so what are we saving up for exactly at that point? Rebuilding doesn’t always mean just operating under budget the entire time.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 11, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
I just feel there are better ways to spend our money than giving a backup PG starting PG money.
I guess it’s a matter of opinion.
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by Panthers FTW on Jan 12, 2012 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
You have to have something to spend the money on first.
Unless we’re making a run at someone big in free agency next year, then what’s the point? Someone on our team, by default is going to HAVE to get paid starter money for us to be at the minimum. Now you can either find a great free agent (we probably won’t), make a trade for a veteran on a big contract already (I know we won’t), or re-sign your own players. I have to see better options before I’m just so ready to trade D.J. away because I’m afraid of giving him money that someone on our team will have to get regardless.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 13, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
Atlanta. Lakers. Thunder (as you pointed out).
Phoenix and Utah won’t trade for a rental player (they’re rebuilding) (okay maybe the Suns might but thats only because they’re run by an incompotent GM) and I’m pretty sure Denver has more than enough depth behind Ty Lawson (Andre Miller would start for a lot of teams).
So I’m guessing those three I posted in the header, or if come the tradeline there’s an injury to a starting PG for a contender, they’ll open up as a spot for him.
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by Panthers FTW on Jan 11, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know if Lee is worth his salary.
It would be well worth looking into though if they only wanted Boris.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 9, 2012 11:15 AM EST reply actions
Reading this post kinda makes me look at us like we're recovering addicts
We’re in the process of trying to get rid of all our huge cap-eating contracts. As soon as someone comes along with a huge cap-eating contract, a large chunk of us are ready to pull the trigger and give up an expiring contract, which is almost exactly the same sort of tactic that we used to get into this mess.
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by Panthers FTW on Jan 11, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
Lol.
I know right. I think we could execute a 3 team deal and get some good value out of Lee if they only wanted Boris. We’ve got White, Mullens, Bismack, and Tyrus already. Lee and his contract have no place here in Charlotte.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 11, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
From Minesota : Diaw for Beasley ? anyone?
We may even had a little something if you are hard dealer.
Im on board for that...
but I’d like to take Wes Johnson off of their hands too. His minutes are declining and he just doesnt fit with Aldeman so far. He would be a nice addition to our bench. He’s locked in for 2yrs with a Team Option. I mean he would be an upgrade over Brown and Carroll. And he and Reggie Williams would def help our PGs get some assists and collapse defenses…
I was reading my favorite site
and they said something like the Lakers need to trade for DJ RIGHT NOW…bc his value cant get any higher. We need to do that…Because CLE is willing to give Sessions up also. Lets move. Somethings cant wait til the deadline
They also suggested Bo-Jeezy to the Clippers for their pick. Only bc the Clipps dont have anyone to help behind Griffin. I suggest we take Foye off their hands to sweeten the pot. He can play behind Hendo and Kemba if we bounce DJ…
DJ for the 26th pick in the draft?
Hell no. Multiple first rounders if it’s going to be that late.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 12, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Throw in the pick they got from Dallas
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by Bring Back Primoz on Jan 12, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
If we do that now we're talking business.
Dallas could end up with a pick as high as 20th this year the way they’ve been playing. We could then package those two picks to move up to the late lottery for a player who can probably come in and be just as valuable a piece as DJ. I don’t see us doing that with just one pick.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 12, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
Now THAT is an excellent suggestion.
Good work BBP. That’d be the best package I can see us getting for DJ, so if we can manage that, it’d be terrific.
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by Panthers FTW on Jan 12, 2012 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
CB?
What the hell kinda pick do you really think you are going to get for an undersized PG? Maybe if this was last year’s draft class but not this year’s. Dont be unrealistic. We wont get a great pick for ANYONE on our current roster…except maybe Mullens…and I hope we keep him
Is a player coming in late at the draft going to give you the same
production DJ gives? More likely than not, HELL NO. Yeah, undersized PG who can be a great scoring option for anyone. No one is being unrealistic. You’re the one so ready to throw away a valuable player for nothing. DJ isn’t going to go ANYWHERE in the league and become a bench warmer. So stop shitting on his value. If we can’t get a halfway decent return (and no, the 25th pick in the draft isn’t fair value), then re-sign the man and go from there. Losing talent for nothing is stupid as hell no matter which way you slice it. You’re so obsessed with the words “first round pick” that you’ll jump at whatever deal involves one. We don’t have to trade DJ. That’s the entire point.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 13, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
I think the key thing you're missing,
and that I guess I’m not properly communicating is that I won’t be happy with the 25th pick only for DJ. We don’t have to get a slew of picks for him or even 2 first round picks, but there has to be some added incentive. Maybe the give us the 25th pick and a SF for a role player like Donte Green or somebody on that level, or they agree to take Maggette off our hands as well in return for an expiring contract to go along with the pick. I’m not expecting any kind of significant return for DJ, but we got to get fair value for him.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 13, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Lakers would be the ideal destination for DJ.
They need him the most and therefore would be willing to give up the biggest package to get him.
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by Panthers FTW on Jan 12, 2012 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah but they can also get
Ramon Sessions…So we need to act fast. Sessions is better than Augustin at everything. Plus he’s taller. He even shoots the 3 pretty good this season. And being that its not triangle anymore, his 3 ball is even deadlier with the new look lakers…
DJ>Felton
in my opinion…
I also want to hear some folks say what kind of contract DJ is worth if we re-sign him…and I believe that we may sign him back
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I think that we will sign him back
a for a number – I really don’t know at this stage. Would depend alot on the season he and Kemba have.
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The max D.J. will get is
8 million a year. The minimum is 6 million. I can guarantee it’ll be somewhere in between that range.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 16, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
No to David Lee
Not a nice contract – why saddle ourselves with a contract like that when we are in rebuild mode.
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