Draft Options Discussions: Harrison Barnes
by TS BOBCAT on Jan 7, 2012 2:11 PM EST
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I had an idea I want to start every once in awhile make a fanpost about a potential Bobcats player and get the communities opinion on said player. I kind of got the Idea from Panthertrain and his Draft Flavor of the Week over at our brother site Cat Scratch Reader. I really want to see everyones honest opinions on each playerm I really do not want to see any bias opinions from people who dont like the player or the school whether you hate the player or the school I want to see what your opinion is just on him as a basketball player. I want your opinion on what kind of player he is and how you think it will translate to the NBA and what your NBA player comparison for the player is and your predicted stats for the player in the NBA and if you think he will be a Supertstar, All-Star, Starter, Role Player, or Bust. Of course these threads can also be used to talk about other players you want or would rather have but I will eventually get to them because I do plan on eventually going over evrey potential lottery pick and I would go over players outside the lottery because I still hope we make the playoffs but since we traded our pick to Chicago they get it if we dont make the playoffs. I will also not have any certain time I will post these it will pretty much be random. Sorry for typing so much before the jump but for this first one I just wanted to explain everything. For this edition of Draft Options Discussions we will discuss University of North Carolina Small Forward Harrison Barnes.
Harrison Barnes last year was one of the premiere players in college and expected to be a high draft pick this year but so far he has degressed in his sophmore season and some are questioning whether or not he should even be a top 5 pick now. Alot of ROF members who were strong supporters last year of Barnes have stayed true to there desires for Barnes but others are becoming hesitant and rightly so. Whenever a player struggles thier second year in college you have to atleast acknowledge it and try and figure out why. Maybe it is due to the fact that Tyler Zellar and John Hanson have became better players this year and it is throwing Barnes off, or it could just simply be a bad year, or off court issues.
I am a supporter of Barnes because I believe he can be a All-Star caliber player in the NBA. Is he a LeBron or Durant no but he can be a Bosh or Stoudamire. I think that Barnes could easily be a 20+ PPG scorer in the NBA which is something this team needs.
One big issues for Harrison Barnes is some people say he cannot make his own shot. We need to think about how that would fit with our whole team, we already have a player in Gerald Henderson who struggles to create his own shot so can we have two starting players who need help making thier shiots? But whether you think he can or cannot he can score which with Henderson and Bismack two players who will not be big scoring threats being future starters for us we need to fill up the rest of the gaps with players who can score and we have one filled with Kemba Walker.
Harrisons Barnes stats so far this season: 17 PPG- 4.8 RPG- 48% FG%- 48% 3PT%- 1 SPG- 1.2 APG-0.4 BPG
Here are more statistic details:
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/51385/harrison-barnes
Draft SIte Analysis:
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Harrison-Barnes-5705/
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/harrison-barnes
Video:
My NBA Comparison: Danny Granger
** Just to be clear this is not to imply I have given up on the season I am just excited about the future and wanted to discuss. If you are one of the people that does not like discussing the draft this early then just dont comment because I dont want you to ruin it for some people who are just excited about the future like me and want to talk about it.
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You hit my problems with the guy right on the head. He has a solid jumper but he seems to rely on it to much and doesn’t seem to be able to create his own shot. As an NBA player being able to create your own shot is the difference between a role player and an All Star. The best players in the league can all create there on offense along with being able to do other facets of the game solidly.
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I think Kidd-Gilchrist is a better prospect and will be available in our pick range, which unfortunately will likely be outside the top 3
I was about to post the same thing
UNC 2004
Still would prefer Kidd-Gilchrist
This
And today vs BC. And, in fact, 20+ pts in 4 of last 5 games. 50% from 3. And he will stuff it in your face and send u packing. I want Barnes. Don’t give a hoot what y’all say!
And MKG is nice. But he ain’t Barnes. Y’all can have him. If Barnes and MKG are available, u lose your job if u pick Gilchrist. Barnes will ball.
by mives36 on Jan 7, 2012 4:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Who's taking that shot
Barnes or MKG??
by mives36 on Jan 7, 2012 4:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
with our plays
our last second plays always suck, so Boris Diaw would take fade-away floater
"I don’t want to shoot my mouth in my foot, but those are games we can win."
MKG rebounds way better than Barnes
and is a better on ball defender
Barnes is the better 3pt shooter and is more athletic, but as far as basketball IQ, he’s nowhere in MKG’s league
when the two went head to head in the Virginia NBA camp this summer, MKG held Barnes to 2 points while scoring 16 himself… then MKG hurt his ankle and Barnes was finally able to score
we’re talking about a high school kid against a player who already had 1 year of college experience
at this point
I only take 1 player over barnes of our team, that is Drummond. I dont understand how people see Anthony Davis as a center, he is a PF in the NBA, and we have enough of those on our team.
I have a feeling Andre will stay at UCONN for at least 1 more year. Sorry.
by Zack Bowring on Jan 16, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
He supposedly is on record saying he likes it there and respects coach Jim Calhoun and will return for his sophomore year. But to be honest I don’t believe anything until the deadline is up for players to remove there name from draft contention
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by gunnin' gervin on Jan 21, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
If we are in the position to get Barnes, he is the pick.
I have 30+ years of Tarheel love under my belt ( I was 7 when the G.O.A.T. was a freshman) and I’ve learned over the years to separate awesomeness (MJ, Vinsanity, Ty Lawson) from homer-love (J. R Reid, Raymond Felton, countless others) in my mind. Barnes is an incredible talent. The misconception that he can’t create his own shot is just that… a misconception. He is the prototypical SF that teams look to build around and passing him up (if we’re lucky enough to have the opportunity), doesn’t sound very Cho-ish to me. If he’s available when we pick, he’ll (Heel) be a Bobcat.
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Me, Bitches!
agreed
potentially a superstar center comes along much less then a potential superstar SF.. therefore take Drummond
"I don’t want to shoot my mouth in my foot, but those are games we can win."
I would have no problem with Drummond as a Bobcat
But I believe this whole “he’s bigger so he’s the better pick” argument is ridiculous. If nothing else, the amount of times that a potential superstar big man turns out to be average/good, at best, would make me lean toward the SF. The Bobcats need to address both positions, so either would be a nice addition, but I’ll take the guy with the built-in clutch gene that comes alive at the end of the game.
All Hail The Camtastic One!!!
Me, Bitches!
If you pick Barnes over Gilchrist you are NUTS
Gilchrist is exactly what we need. Barnes is good but he is highly overrated. If I were him, I’d take one more year for development. Gilchrist is ready. Imma a Carolina fan too. Hell I used to skip class and go to Chapel Hill to play pickup with Felton. But Im looking at it from the Bobcats perspective. Barnes fits better on a team like Cleveland or some team thats BUILT around a PG. We need a player to build around. A player that can score in bunches. A more dynamic player than Barnes. Barnes isnt the type of player you build a team around.
are we not built around our PGs?
You typically build around a bigtime scorer, that is what Barnes is.. ask scouts and they say he needs to work on defense and ball handling. Barnes has his best games against big time opponents, thats what i like to see from a potential player on our team
"I don’t want to shoot my mouth in my foot, but those are games we can win."
We arent built around PGs
our PGs are our best players NOW but we only can really say we have a “core”…Barnes isnt ready for the NBA game and unless he goes off in the tournament, I can see him falling past 7. If he does come into the league he’s at best a second option…
None of this makes any sense to me...
You are NUTS! And again, yo, there is a REASON he is rated higher by all the scouts. They aren’t ALL dumb! Fits better on Cleveland? They got their “go-to” guy, a #1 pick, and he’s a PG. We are a Carolina team, looking at a Carolina player who is the top rated player at his position (SF) which is a need for us, and he excels in what we need most, scoring? You are arguing backwards with me? How the sam crap do you decide the “Gilchrist is ready.” “Barnes needs….one more year to develop”. Wha? o….k…. You also knew all those scouts were wrong about this years draft Top 10 and by far the most elite scorer, Klay Thompson, and how he was ready (gd you and “ready”, the Morris twins were “ready”, Klay is “ready”). You knew those guys had the most advanced NBA skill set and would be able to score efficiently and play NBA caliber ball. WRONG! I’m chalking your MKG over Barnes love up in the same column as your, “if Klay isn’t our Top 10 pick, then these scouts are clueless” delusion! Buddy……Barnes. This one is gonna make you look bad in the future, warning. Just saying…..
MKG will be a top 5 pick on most
experts draft boards (he already is in some) as the season progresses
Coach Cal is calling him the best player he’s ever coached. (I know that’s hype and all, but still, when you say that you’re talking about players like Derrick Rose, Marcus Camby, John Wall.)
What you fail to realize MIVES
is that had half of the players that were said to come out didnt go back to school that Irving wouldnt’ve been the number one pick. If Im not mistaken, it was about 4 or 5 TOP picks that decided to go back to school. Derrick Williams wouldntve been #2. Cleveland got a PG of the future. Not a go to guy. Scouts are wrong all the time. Im wrong sometimes too. But what I said about Morris isnt wrong yet. I dont think he fits with Houston of the THOUSAND forwards that they have. Sure he got sent to the d-league but have you seen his numbers? He’s avg like 30+ppg. Its just no place for him there. Plus Houston kinda looks like they are tanking also. I think Klay is NBA ready. I never said any of those guys are superstars (altho I think Morris will be close to allstar level one day)…
we agree on something
MKG is superior to Barnes in almost every facet of the game, except 3 pt shooting
that said, i’m not sure MKG will be a better NBA scorer than Barnes as you alude to, but he’s definatley a better all around player
The stats don’t lie my man. He shoots more jumpers than anything else. Now I’m not saying he can’t create his own shot but I haven’t seen him do it a lot and he sure as hell seems more content with jacking up jumpers. I hope if they get the chance to draft him and if they do get him that he proves all the people who are worried about him being able to create shots wrong. He definitely has a solid jumper though
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by gunnin' gervin on Jan 7, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
I am very much afraid that we’ll get the top pick and get Drummond. Don’t get me wrong – I think he’ll be a beast. BUT – I just remember the Oden/Durant fiasco. Oden would have been the better player if he wasn’t always injured. That’s my fear. It’s irrational, but it’s there. I can even see Barnes being the next Durant. I expect him to be an all-star, but I think the possibility is there that he becomes a superstar. That doesn’t mean he’s the best man to help us win (I think that is Drummond), but it’s my opinion.
Nope.
Barnes doesn’t have near the talent of Durant.
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
disagree
Barnes has the talent and potential, its just putting it all together like Durant has
"I don’t want to shoot my mouth in my foot, but those are games we can win."
Hell no
You do realize Durant has the height and wing span of a damn power forward?!?!!!!!!
The dude is 6’10" in his shoes and has a 7’4" wing span!!!!! Not to mention he can handle the ball better than Barnes when he was in school.
Barnes is your prototypical sized small forward who does have a good wing span at 6’11" but is not the greatest at creating his own shot. I mean he could get better and he might get better but coming out of school he isn’t even close to the potential of Durant. They were comparing Durant to a more athletic Dirk
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by gunnin' gervin on Jan 8, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
this is the first time
ive ever seen someone compare barnes to durant
there’s a reason for that, let’s make this the last
by adamcawa on Jan 8, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
LMAO!!!!
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by gunnin' gervin on Jan 9, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
Ive watched so much College ball this year its ridiculous. I like Barnes but after our previous Heel adventures I’m gun shy in going the Heel route again. I do think our pick is between Barnes/MKG/Drummond. Barnes is the safe pick. Drummond is the classic center which we will need. MKG is the high risk high reward player. Barnes can initiate the offense like Diaw though. If I pick today then it’s Drummond. If he’s off the board then All hail Harrison Barnes!
by Rvdbbw on Jan 7, 2012 11:41 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
joe johnson
with less passing ability
"I don’t want to shoot my mouth in my foot, but those are games we can win."
Manu Ginobili at best
Richard Jefferson (NJ years)/Wilson Chandler….and Ricky Davis (focused version) at worst. None of these guys are bad.
Not bad
Definatley like the Joe Johnson one better but of worst case is Wilson Chandler you cant really go wrong.
Lol not
worst case. Thats probably where he will be. At best a prime Manu. At Worst a prime Ricky Davis. But I think he’ll probably top out at a Wilson Chandler/Prime Jefferson type of player…
I still think Barnes can be a great player
He will not be a Durant but I dont think it is out of the question to say he can be a Bosh type player. He has regressed this year but he is still one of the better college players and you cant just throw away the amazing year he had last year. The dude can be an elite player in the NBA.
Don’t diss Manu like that!!! LMAO. Manu is great at getting to the rack and setting others up. I don’t know if Barnes will ever be like him. Not to mention Manu’s game is so odd ballish that I don’t think there is many to compare him to.
Maybe James Harden is the closest I’ve seen to Manu because he is also a lefty and even though you know both want to go left they still some how beat you going that way. Not to mention both are very crafty with the ball and have ok but not great athletic ability but will still sneak a dunk on your ass. I think Harden is the closest guy to Manu I’ve seen
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by gunnin' gervin on Jan 9, 2012 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
I'm gonna preface this
By saying I went to school at Carolina and I’ve seen every Heels game this season – I think Barnes has definitely shown improvement in his game and he can create his own shot. He’s shown more of a willingness to get to the basket this year and shoot the mid range J. Personally, I think he’s a pretty safe pick – he’s got the tools and he’s a gym rat from what I hear and that’s what you want. But question is certainly how high of a ceiling he’ll have – heard comparisons of his game to Luol Deng and I can see that but definitely hoping he can develop into an all-star caliber player. Having a Durant like impact is a bit more but who knows.
I like Drummond a lot as well – you just don’t see athletic bigs like him come around often. Haven’t watched any UConn games this season but just going off his HS mixtapes – kid even has a solid mid range jumper and I could see where people say he’s a cross between Amare and Dwight. His potential is through the roof but he’s definitely the riskier pick as well.
I’m not going to say I’ve seen as many of his games as you have but I’ve read a lot about him and last year they said he liked to do the pull up jumper like you stated. So I don’t see him doing what he did last year as improvement.
All i will say is if the Bobcats draft him I hope he plays well and proves to be a caple player in the league
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by gunnin' gervin on Jan 8, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
I mean
Yeah he did seem to settle a lot for the jumper last season but I think playing with Marshall helped him get better shots. Early on – his shot selection was off with taking a lot of difficult/contested shots and it was due to inexperience and not playing with a good PG (Drew II).
He’s a good shooter already and will only get better so I don’t mind him taking shots and the key really is he’s taking better shots consistently – but I have noticed him creating more shots with his own dribble and trying to get into the lane. Not sure if he’ll be able to consistently break a defender down off the dribble in the NBA but he’s got a well rounded game that should translate well.
Exactly my point with Barnes. He is a very good shooter and he can hit pull up jumpers nicely also. But in order for him to really be an elite scorer in the NBA he has to be able to create his on shot, wether it’s in the post or off the dribble. Can he do this in the next level when it seems like he can’t do it in school? Maybe if he works on his game he will be able to do it but as of what I’ve seen of him at UNC he is a mixed bag at best.
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by gunnin' gervin on Jan 9, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
Barnes is tough to scout
Because he is surrounded by a massive amount of talent and he is an extremely unselfish player, so he doesn’t look to do things on his own. Personally, I think he’s more gifted than most people think and when the games really start counting and crunch time arrives, I expect we’ll see Barnes establish himself as the guy.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Jan 8, 2012 2:50 PM EST reply actions
Perry Jones and all of UK players have same issue (im agreeing with you)
"I don’t want to shoot my mouth in my foot, but those are games we can win."
Keep your eye on LeBryan Nash. He is going to rise up draft boards quick.
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by T-TIME, I MEAN DUNK TIME on Jan 8, 2012 9:22 PM EST reply actions
the freshman from Oklahoma State? What’s his game like? I’ve heard about him, but really have not seen him yet.
by senelcoolidge on Jan 8, 2012 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
He is off to a slow start, but he is extremely versatile in all aspects of the game.
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by T-TIME, I MEAN DUNK TIME on Jan 9, 2012 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
It just seems destined for Barnes to become a Bobcat.
A big SF that can score the basketball, and a Carolina Man. He could potentially be the franchise face. Ok, calm down Ronnie.
by RonnieHawkins97 on Jan 9, 2012 12:43 AM EST reply actions
I want Harrison Barnes to be a Bobcat next year.
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
I think he would be a good choice for the Bobcats. Went to school locally. Good character guy. Has very good work ethic. He could be the face of the franchise.
by senelcoolidge on Jan 9, 2012 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
+1
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
by Son of a Newton on Jan 10, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
Serious Question
with the draft being so stacked and Cho proving to be somewhat crafty, if we land a top 5 pick do we trade down to a lottery team with multiple picks?
Example: Cleveland land the 8th pick and lets say the 15th. Do we trade down and acquire two players?
2. With Jeff Green coming off an injury, its not likely he’ll be worth over 5mil. Do we go after him?
Im just thinking with us having so many holes and Drummond going back to school that maybe Cho has some tricks up his sleeve…
Didn’t Boston resign Jeff Green?
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by gunnin' gervin on Jan 10, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
I'm afraid of Barnes
I think if he came here he’d just be a 6’8 SF version of Henderson. Good defense, solid catch and shoot, terrible with any kind of dribbling. Flashes of something more every once in a while, but in the end just a solid starter.
Its no misconception that he can’t create his own shots, its actually a cold hard fact. As tweeted by DX,:
Harrison Barnes points per possession on: catch-and-shoot/no dribbles: 1.39 PPP, 1 dribble: 0.86 PPP, 2+ dribbles: 0.64 PPP
I also pointed out that there was evidence he hasn’t really created a lot of his own shots so far but i think people don’t want to hear that.
He can get better at this with off season training though. I mean it isn’t like the guy can’t learn to get better. But as of right now it just seems like he is a spot up shooter and not much else offensively
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by gunnin' gervin on Jan 14, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
He has the potential to make his own shot. I think with him it is in his head and maybe with some good coaching in the NBA they can change that mindset.
Weve seen Gerald Henderson make great improvements at creating his own shot
And Barnes is a much better offensive player
I think we should start doing some Blog scouting. Ya know, since we constantly talk about player X and Y in college we should put up a TV schedule of when UConn/Kentucky/UNC (since players from these teams are generally the players we’re drooling over to wear the Bobcat Orange and Blue) or whichever potential prospects are playing. Ya know, just in case we cant or wont make it to ESPN.com because all of their ads and streaming videos slow our P.o.S computers down. Just something we as the Bobcat faithful could have friendly (knuckle splitting brawl) debates about. Just a thought.
Go Bobcats.
smart and reasonable thinking
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by gunnin' gervin on Jan 14, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
What do you guys think of Doug McDermott?
I kinda feel like he is Morrison 2.0 but if he is a 2nd round pick it could be worth it.
He’s pretty good in college. He’s big, but not very fast. He can shoot the ball. Yeah, he is similar to Morrison, but I think he has a post up game. He can play with his back to the basket and grabs boards. I like him. He’s only a sophomore right now. He will probably play one more year in college.
by senelcoolidge on Jan 16, 2012 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
Im just trying to find some out of the box 2nd round pick ideas
Because I have a feeling we will end up with a couple.
Just throwing some names out there. They may not be 2nd rounders though.
Kyle Kuric
William Buford
Orlando Johnson
Renardo Sidney
Brandon Paul
And of course there will be a bunch of Europeans thrown in there.
That works too
I think we should target a sort of instant offense type player in the second round (I know not all the players I listed fit that). We need to put a stop to the ice ages, and I think it’d be very beneficial to find a consistent shooter to come off the bench and knock down shots off Kemba drives and dishes.
Orlando Johnson
Robert Sacre -back up center
Darius Miller
Chase Stanback
Drew Gordon
just other names that might be available in the 2nd round
by senelcoolidge on Jan 21, 2012 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
TS Bobcat....
Im ready for where Kidd-Gilchrist gets his own thread. Real good discussion about Barnes vs. Gilchrist, I found on:
http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1152239
As mentioned earlier, I’m big on the “Kidd,” but would still be real happy with Barnes. This league is dominated by Star Wings and that is exactly what we need.
I was planning on making another post tonight
I was going to do it on Perry Jones but since you requested a MKG thread ill do it tonight. I also really like MKG he has star potential and has more upside than Barnes, but I think Barnes can be a great player as well but if I had to pick today MKG is my man. Thanks for the link ill post it in there and give you a shout out.
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