Bobcats Fall Short in Overtime to Atlanta, 102-96
by Joshua Priemski on Jan 6, 2012 10:38 PM EST
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What a game. What a darn game.
I'm not going to lie, watching the first half, I was beyond disappointed. The Bobcats' defense was abysmal. Kemba Walker, D.J. Augustin and D.J. White were lost, never rotating when they needed to and being beaten off of the dribble by everyone. Jeff Teague was carving up the defense, consistently penetrating (if you can call casually dribbling into the paint penetrating) and either going to the hoop or kicking the ball out to wide open team mates. He even got an impromptu "transition" dunk while a clueless Augustin was apparently more interested in something in the crowd.
Luckily, the Hawks were exhausted from last night's triple overtime game against the Miami Heat and missed countless open jumpers and layups that they'd normally make. Joe Johnson was a miserable 6 of 17 from the field. Attribute that to defense if you'd like. But he had some very easy looks.
On offense, the Bobcats were average. They moved the ball well, but poor spacing often led to close-outs and turnovers. The boxscore is misleading. Yes, a number of players scored fairly efficiently, but the majority of made buckets were isolations and quick pick and rolls/pops. Not real offense.
I still can't believe this game went to overtime.
Thankfully, things got interesting in the fourth quarter. Kemba Walker, DJ Augustin and Byron Mullens hit a variety of tough, much needed shots that allowed the Bobcats to stay in the game. A near miscall by the referees afforded the Bobcats the final possession in the fourth, which ended up being a highly contested fadeaway from Boris Diaw that seemed to unintentionally hit glass. Not your ideal final shot. Not when Josh Smith is guarding you and Diaw is having a poor shooting night.
Overtime was all Hawks. They dominated every aspect of the game. The Bobcats were overwhelmed as Joe Johnson made a couple of huge baskets to really put the game out of reach.
All in all, this game was a step forward for the Bobcats, a game in which both Kemba Walker and Byron Mullens scored career highs of 19 and 17, respectively. They tightened their defense to slow Atlanta down, and their heart and perseverance allowed them to get back in it late. It just wasn't enough.
Player Notes
D.J. Augustin: Augustin looked phenomenal, which was a nice change of pace for him. Dished out the ball well, and hit some HUGE shots for the Bobcats down the stretch, including an incredible and-1 in the 4th. Defensively, he looked as terrible as ever, which really shouldn't be a surprise anymore.
Kemba Walker: Kemba had his official coming out game, scoring 19 points in a plethora of ways. Amazing drives into the lane, turnaround jumpers, three balls...everything. He, like Augustin, looked pretty bad of defense. Both tend to get caught on screens far too easily. Kemba however has the lateral quickness and defensive fundamentals that Augustin does not and should be a pretty good defensive player one day.
Gerald Henderson: A fruitless night on offense. He forced long jumpers all night to no avail. He looked fantastic on defense, and surprised me with a key stop against Marvin Williams in the post. He held his ground, stayed straight and held his hands high. Impressive.
Boris Diaw: A bit of a mixed bag for Boris. He had some greats plays on both ends of the floor, but was expected to do a little more than he's capable of. He can carry a team from time to time, but you won't get that consistently. He did his usual: assists, rebounds, and some points.
D.J. White: A decent night overall. Scored some points, got some rebounds. The usual. A bit of a curtain on defense, but I didn't expect him to hold Josh Smith down.
Tyrus Thomas: I was so glad to see Tyrus get back, and for good reason. He's the Bobcats' best help defender, and has a versatile offensive game built on athleticism and jumpers. Tyrus was pretty rusty, but that's to be expected. Also looked a heck of a lot skinnier than I remember.
Byron Mullens: On paper, a great night. In the game? Not so much. He's a very poor rebounder and defender at his position and size. It hurts to watch him do anything but score. But scoring is something he does well, and score he did. Congratulations on a career high in points, but let's get a career high in rebounds and blocks next time, eh?
Bismack Biyombo: Ah yes, Biz. Biz looked like his usual raw self, exemplifying raw athleticism and natural defensive talent. He looked lost on both offense and defense...until someone took a shot. He'd then rush over and try to block it and grab a rebound. You know, the usual. I look forward to the day that his team mates don't yell at him every possession, pointing to where he should be. That day is coming. Be patient.
Conclusion
I didn't expect the Bobcats to win this game, and I'm glad that they didn't. It certainly would have been quite a morale boost, but in the grand scheme of things this was the most favorable outcome. Let the tank roll, folks.
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I cant explain how dissapointed I am in Hendo
He clearly has potential but he continues to have these horrible games. It seems he is either great or horrible. Am I just being too critical? I want to call this guy our future SG and its hard when he goes out there and is the most ineffective player on the court. He honestly was just standing in the corner not doing anything but watching most of the game.
He played great d
I can’t hate on him for that. Best defensive wing on the team and it’s not even close.
Bro, I have Twitter and stuff.
by Joshua Priemski on Jan 6, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
Let me help you out here and go out on a limb... He's NOT our future
Im sorry but if you can’t create your own shot, and you’re not a great shooter… Then you’re not a great shooting guard.
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by southtunnel on Jan 6, 2012 11:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
15 ppg, 112th best FG %, 5th highest FG% on our 2 win team...
Sorry but I’d like to see better from that position
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Guys he ranks ahead of in TS% at the SG position
Kobe Bryant, Jamal Crawford, Nick Young, D-Wade, Joe Johnson, Richard Hamilton, Eric Gordon…
Should I keep going?
Is he a great shooter? Probably not. Is he adequate and improving? Absolutely.
by drapht00 on Jan 7, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly! I'm looking for more than adequate
If adequate is good enough than he’s fine.
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You cant have a great player at every position
Every team has an adequate player in thier line up. And I still think Gerald can be a good starting SG.
Uhm, we don't really have a "great" player at ANY position
So Hendo doesn’t factor into your exception. But sure if we find a “great” player at another position, then Hendo will be very serviceable. But we don’t right now, meaning he is asked to do more than he is capable of.
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Augustin is a top 5 offensive PG, but terrible on defense.
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
I'm actually coming around on DJ
His ball handling skills remind me of Muggsy back in the day… Dude’s so short he can dribble through anything. I just don’t want to rely on him to be our main scorer. We still need to find THAT guy. I’ve got my fingers crossed for Kemba and Mullins, but my gut tells me he’s not on our team.
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If we can get a scoring 3
Then Hendo is exactly what we need from the 2, assuming he continues to improve his 3 point percentage. His value is really dependent on who he has surrounding him.
by drapht00 on Jan 7, 2012 1:49 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hopefully
Williams can return to form once he returns. If he’s anything like he was the last two yrs then I think we’ll win more games. Of course we wont be some championship miracle but we could surprise alot of ppl.
Think we'd have a 3-4 or 4-3
record right now with Williams healthy. He really would stretch the floor for Hendo and give him a chance to attack the basket more. I’m comfortable seeing Henderson shoot now, but he’s been relying on that jumper WAY TOO MUCH lately. His number one skill on offense always has been and always will be his slashing. He’s got to get that going more, but in fairness to him, the paint hasn’t been open much.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 7, 2012 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
I'm hoping it's just a work-in-progress for Henderson right now.
He’s showing teams his jumper, making sure everyone knows that it is something you have to defend against tightly, and once that becomes a staple that has to be respected, his slashing ability will be even more effective.
That’s just an optimistic point of view that probably isn’t the case though.
Lol. I can dig it.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 7, 2012 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
Nevermind this I though you were taking a shot at me
Sorry drapht it is late and I forgot there was a thing called True Shotting percentage haha
He's better than Thabo Sefalosha
And he starts on a lot of people’s favorite in the West. Just as good defensively, better offensively.
Why does he have to be great?
All he needs to be is above-average, and we’re ahead of the game. A team that’s above-average at every position is a team going to the playoffs.
Personal attacks are the weapon of the ignorant.
Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!
by MichaelProcton on Jan 7, 2012 3:27 AM EST up reply actions
Not that far.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 7, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
Far enough that we'll never make a deep playoff run
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I don't know.
I see us at the stage is the Grizzlies were a few years ago. We’re not constructed well enough currently to knock of Chicago or Miami as of yet, but in a few years I can see this team growing into a top 5 seed based on the expectation that all players that we are counting on to improve continue improving……Kemba, DJ, Hendo, Mullens, Bismack.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 7, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Kemba and DJ aren't both in our future
Kemba, DJ and Hendo are all good enough to start, will wan’t to start, and will wan’t to get paid to start. But Kemba starting knocks off either DJ, or if playing with DJ then Hendo.
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I'm still not that convinced
that we trade or should trade DJ. As long as they are both effective and getting better, I don’t see having both being an issue. They’re a liability on defense, but I’m not sure having them on the same team has been the primary cause for any of our losses thus far. Kemba will also be on his rookie contract for a few more years and DJ will be a RFA giving us the right to retain him over anything. I don’t see anyone making a huge play for DJ considering his defensive weaknesses. However, I’m not an idiot and I do believe the potential for DJ to be traded still exists. I’m just not as convinced that it’s a certainty as most people. I see where you’re coming from though. If he is dealt, I hope we can get a decent return on him.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 7, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
We dont trade DJ
you get a taller SG 6’6-6’8. That way we have a very good dynamic at PG no matter who starts and you have a taller lineup coming off the bench. To pick up on bodies if our PGs happen to get burnt. Matt Carroll and Hendo both arent even tall by avg SG standards. Lucky for us Hendo is a good defender. So if the bench is slightly taller, then I dont see why we cant keep them both. The only way I would support us trading Augustin is if some team will take Maggette with him. Oh and having a taller SG and SF on the second unit will make the ZONE more effective.
Totally agree.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 7, 2012 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
The problem with not trading DJ is that we'd have to pay big money for someone whose future on the team is as a backup PG.
That’s not a good allocation of assets, and unless you think DJ is going to be the answer for this team’s future, it’s probably not in our best interests to retain him.
Who will Augustin be backing up, exactly?
Walker has shown no signs that he’s a better player.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 7, 2012 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
Right, because Kemba totally could care less about starting
You can force a scenario like this for maybe a year or two. But it’ll never work long-term… Players want to play, not backup others.
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There is no sense whatsoever in keeping both Augustin and Walker.
On a team with a big, playmaking PG, Walker could be a great spark off the bench as a sixth man (Ben Gordon without the shooting touch), but they mirror too much of each other’s strengths and weaknesses. Proper asset management says that they will limit each other’s ability to produce.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 7, 2012 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
Kemba will start eventually, here or elsewhere
Most likely here since we’re the one’s who spent a top 10 pick on him. He’s 5th in scoring, and plays less minutes than the 4 ahead of him.
I know you think comparing a player in his 4th year to a rookie is fair… But bottom line, Kemba’s playing among the leader’s of his class. And rookies improve. So more of less you are comparing DJ to Kemba’s floor.
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I don't disagree.
That’s obviously why we’re not any good at the moment.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 7, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
Hurts when one of the PGs he's forced to play beside has never looked to set up a teammate in his life.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 7, 2012 3:26 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, his sub 3.0 A:TO ratio is VERY impressive.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 7, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
You're correct. It is.
In fact it’s higher than guys like Jameer Nelson, Kyrie Irving, Ricky Rubio, Joe Johnson, Dwayne Wade, and Kobe Bryant.
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
Half of those players are shooting guards, two of the remaining three are rookies, and the other is Jameer Nelson.
Count me unimpressed.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 7, 2012 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
No back up PG averages a lot of assists
And Kemba is not what is wrong with Hendo your just finding another way to be stupid
Yeah that's pretty dumb dude... Hendo starts and plays mostly with DJ
I get your knock on Kemba, but that doesn’t have anything to do with Hendo.
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Let's look at his shooting percentages:
7/14 – I’ll take 50% from a SG any day
10/19 – Very nice
4/13 – Bad
4/13 – Still bad
8/15 – Nice
10/13 – Very nice
2/9 – Bad
Basically 47%. That’s about what I expect from a good SG. They don’t normally go over 50% (although I expect that from post players, I don’t expect it from wings). Considering his great defense, I’d say that puts him solidly in the “good to very good” situation. He has been a bit streaky, but I also expect that from a young player. Heck, even the mighty Kobe has bad games. I think he just takes so many shots in a game that his percentages seem to average out. For example, if Hendo had taken a few more shots yesterday (to put him up to his average of 14ish shots), I’m betting he would have been a lot closer to his actual percentage than 2/9.
The problem is that his 47% (33rd among guards) is very streaky
He shot 76% against the Knicks and 22% against the Hawks. It’s hard to be a good team, when your best players are unreliable.
Let’s compare the last 5 game’s FG%…
Henderson: 31%, 30%, 53%, 77%, 22%
White: 46%, 83%, 83%, 63%, 47%
Mullins: 50%, 17%, 54%, 74%, 61%
This is why I’ve been high on White and Mullins, and critical of Diaw and Hendo: Consistency!
If we had a bonafide “great” player(s) that could control a game when needed, I wouldn’t mind our SG flubbing every other game. But since we don’t our results reflect our best players FG%… neck-neck with the Heat one game and then get blown out the next.
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People are expecting way too much out of the young team.
They forget this is Henderson’s first full year as a starter. It’s crazy to start talking about what someone is or isn’t based on 7 games in the season.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 7, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
So what? We'll reevaluate this later as well.
I’m not biased. If Hendo starts playing better I’ll happily reconsider things.
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LOL, I know....
but comparing percentages from such a small pool at this stage is not even statistically relevant, let alone a good indicator of quality. I think all we can say to this point is that Hendo’s been inconsistent, the eye-test is enough to prove that.
Sorry, but your final remark almost made me puke
“in the grand scheme of things this was the most favorable outcome. Let the tank roll, folks”
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by southtunnel on Jan 6, 2012 11:23 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Thank GOD I wasn't the only one who felt that way.
I couldn’t even bring myself to post my game thoughts in this thread after reading the “conclusion.”
"People are gonna respect the Panthers, and I want what I do as a quarterback to be scary. I want people to be in fear. I want it, and I’m gonna get it."
- Carolina Panthers Franchise Quarterback
Well I sort of agree with it
But still right after a tough loss, It’s hard to swallow that.
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yeah i'm sick of this self-defeating crap.
“I’m glad we didn’t win a tight game at home because even though we will finish in the bottom of the league regardless of this one game, this game will help us get a better first round pick.”
I’m tired of this garbage. Don’t worry, we have plenty of time to suck. Don’t remind us when we lose tight games like this.
Boone Logan is a good boy. So is David Robertson. Team A.J.
Currently 6 teams with the same record or worse.
There’s a lot of games left in the season, but there’s a HUGE difference between the 1st and 6th pick.
I don’t like losing either, don’t get me wrong. But this is how this stuff works.
Bro, I have Twitter and stuff.
by Joshua Priemski on Jan 7, 2012 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
well once the long-term guys develop and mesh better together
we might not need the first-fifth picks anyway. having this team lose terribly this season may not be good for our current player development, so it’s not necessarily a definite longterm win to be the absolute worst team (in which case we’re not guaranteed of the top pick anyway). Don’t worry, we’re going to get a legitimate draft pick in this deep draft regardless if we beat the hawks in OT or not.
Boone Logan is a good boy. So is David Robertson. Team A.J.
If you think...
That an eventual team of Kemba, Hendo, (insert random B-list player here), Thomas, and Biyombo is a contending team, even 5 years from now, I really don’t know what to tell you. There is a lot of work to be done with this roster.
The Bobcats do not have a star. I love Kemba, but he probably won’t be able to lead a team like he did in college. You get stars in small markets through the draft.
There’s a HUGE difference between drafting a Blake Griffin (1st!) and drafting a Jonny Flynn (6th!).
Heck, there’s a huge difference between drafting a Lebron James (1st!) and a Chris Kaman (6th!).
Bro, I have Twitter and stuff.
by Joshua Priemski on Jan 7, 2012 12:30 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you are ignoring how abnormally deep this draft is going to be.
Boone Logan is a good boy. So is David Robertson. Team A.J.
No
You’re ignoring that depth doesn’t mean crap if you have the first pick. Or second. Or third.
You don’t settle. You never settle.
Bro, I have Twitter and stuff.
by Joshua Priemski on Jan 7, 2012 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
Well to your point it sounds like you hope the Bobcats settle for a loss every night.
Boone Logan is a good boy. So is David Robertson. Team A.J.
also i disagree with your premise
you will not always draft a better nba player with a higher draft pick. the odds are higher with a #1 pick, i’ll give you that, but it’s not always a bonafide win. look at the 2007 draft. was it better to have the #1 pick and get greg oden, or have #2 and get kevin durant?
rank these players from 1-5: Andrew Bogut, Marvin Williams, Deron Williams, Chris Paul, Raymond Felton. then look at the 2005 draft.
these are just a couple examples. i don’t have time to list more, but i know there are more out there.
Boone Logan is a good boy. So is David Robertson. Team A.J.
Just as easy to screw up with any pick. Odds are better with higher picks.
Bro, I have Twitter and stuff.
by Joshua Priemski on Jan 7, 2012 12:58 AM EST up reply actions
but how much better are the odds and at what cost
if these guys get some quality wins together and this helps develop kemba, hendo, the biz, and anyone else in the picture for the long term and we end up with a 4th pick who might end up being the next chris paul or brandon roy (minus the knee injury) or rudy gay is that such a terrible thing?
also i’m going to assume we get another pick or two and/or decent talent when we trade augustin, diaw, or both to a contender looking for a rental around the trade deadline.
finally, we will likely have the cap space to sign a legitimate star next season (don’t forget we still have the amnesty to use), but who is going to want to come if we are the worst team in the nba? a first round draft pick (or two, or possibly even three) and a free agent star signing might turn this team into a legitimate threat for 2012-2013.
Boone Logan is a good boy. So is David Robertson. Team A.J.
Yeah, that's borderline
I know it’s probably in our best interest not to win many games but I just can’t cheer for it or be happy when we lose. When the season is over, I’ll accept it as a consolation prize but not before then.
6 feet of Smooth
by Bring Back Primoz on Jan 6, 2012 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
Apologies, fellas.
I’m just far too used to losing. I’ve come to accept it as an inevitability. Let’s save our wins for good teams though. ;)
Bro, I have Twitter and stuff.
by Joshua Priemski on Jan 6, 2012 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
Well, we certainly don't have to like the truth.
No one really enjoys seeing their team lose. Is it better for us? Yes. Does that mean we have to like it? No. (I’m all for us having the worst record this year — but I still don’t like to see us lose.)
by Tim Rudisill on Jan 7, 2012 6:23 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How can you say
that Losing is better for us? Wake up people its NOT better. If we can win with the squad we have then we arent that far behind. If we lose alot and get a top 6 draft pick (in which none of them are team changers) it means we have to lose for another season and wait for that draft. And that is dumb as hell and its not our plan. Its some made up plan that the posters up here came up with bc they heard “Cho” and automatically thought “OKC”…
True or False:
A top 4 pick in the draft is better than not having a first round draft pick at all.
Take your time; I’ll wait.
"Loser's" lose games often
Maybe you’re happy with that, but not me.
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A few thoughts
1) I know it was only his first game back but the more I think about it, I would probably use the amnesty on Tyrus next summer. He’s just a knucklehead and after we let Maggette, Diop, and Carroll expire, the slate is clean the summer of 2013.
2) I love how the PA announcer kept calling Mullens “7 feet of smooth.” I changed my signature as a tribute.
6 feet of Smooth
by Bring Back Primoz on Jan 6, 2012 11:36 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
But I can tell from your signature that
You workout!
6 feet of Smooth
by Bring Back Primoz on Jan 6, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
find a 3
we need to figure out the 3 man issue for next 2-4 weeks. TT cant defend small forwards and either can diaw. Atlanta’s small forwards are not your typical size 3’s. We could go out and trade for Luke Babbitt, he would cost next to nothing, a 2nd rounder most likely.
Babbit isn’t worth a 2nd rounder.
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
I’d rather take a chance at finding a Monta Ellis, Manu Ginobli, or Luis Scola than take a bonified scrub in Babbitt.
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
HENDO = TEBOW (not so good) TYRUS = CHANDLER (expensive and inujured)
by chris in union county on Jan 6, 2012 11:42 PM EST reply actions
Ok, I've been negative on Hendo, but even I wouldn't compare him to Tebow.
Tebow has a lot of potential to flat our suck as a QB. Hendo will never suck, but he’ll also never be that great.
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YOU = SEAN MARKS
TEBOW = SANDUSKY???1111
Boone Logan is a good boy. So is David Robertson. Team A.J.
I'm so done with Diaw
I just can’t stand watching him anymore.
I looked up a picture of him when he played at Phoenix
what a difference, and not a good one.
Boone Logan is a good boy. So is David Robertson. Team A.J.
Yes, That is in fact Boris Diaw Dunking the Ball
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
In Diaw's defense, this was like 250 French crepes ago
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by southtunnel on Jan 7, 2012 2:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
250?
I’ll take the over.
6 feet of Smooth
by Bring Back Primoz on Jan 8, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Be quiet dude!
I found out a week ago… Thought shall never talk bad about Diaw!
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My philosophy on zone
If you can’t play it, don’t. And this team can’t. At least not yet. It takes a lot of time and chemistry to play it well. So many open shots on the perimeter and offensive rebounds given up.
You failed to mention a missed free throw...
by Augustin very late in the game. The Bobcats would have won the game had he made that.
That was only after the TWO Walker missed after he got bailed out on another crazy, out of control one-on-five drive.
Personal attacks are the weapon of the ignorant.
Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!
by MichaelProcton on Jan 7, 2012 3:31 AM EST up reply actions
And if Hendo could have just shot even 33%, we'd have won the game.
But clearly 1 our of 3 is too much to ask.
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Damn you are an freaking psycho
The dude had 19 points and your still not happy and hating. Your pathetic MP. You are definatley winning troll of the year. Your not a fan MP and if you are your a terrible one.
And what does that make Pb for blaming Augustin for the loss when he was the best player on the court for either team?
Personal attacks are the weapon of the ignorant.
Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!
by MichaelProcton on Jan 7, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
yeah it's not that big of a deal
but he did show up to the bobcats game and he wore the bobcats hat and soaked in the fan approval, so that’s lame that he wears a hat simply to get fan approval from wherever he goes.
Boone Logan is a good boy. So is David Robertson. Team A.J.
Please let Kemba take the "big" shots
The guy lives for this. And I don’t know what the OP saw, but Augustin missed about 3 or 4 key driving layups late in the game. Augustin just goes through the motions. His defense is a huge liability and Walker can do everything he does better. And why take Kemba out with 1.4 seconds left to put Henderson in, who hadn’t done nothing all game? Silas makes some terrible lineup choices.
I feel so strong about PG because it’s like QB in football. You need a vocal, determined leader, who is in control, who can take over a game and score, find his teammates, or drive and create fouls. Kemba can do all these things and he has proven himself on the college court. Augustin didn’t prove anything at Texas and he hasn’t proven anything here. Inconsistent, horrible defense, and lackadaisical (to use Crash’s term, I really miss him btw) on offense.
"You ain't supposed to be smiling and giggling after we lose. I've never had the mentality of losing in my whole life and for a person to tell me you can't win them all, that's a loser's mentality." - Cam Newton
Augustin has outperformed Kemba in every game thus far
Kemba’s time will come. It’s not yet.
by drapht00 on Jan 7, 2012 1:51 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You are insane.
Augustin’s playmaking line to go along with his team-leading scoring? 12 assists: 1 turnover. Walker hasn’t had 12 assists in any three games. And he’s supposed to be a point guard. He was also totally lost on offense and has no sense of anything on the offensive end of anything but jack up a shot or drive into a crowded lane without even looking for a teammate.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 7, 2012 3:38 AM EST up reply actions
You misunderstood me…..I just wanna say DJ really improves himself in passing the ball and shooting the ball . It’s good to see DJ shoot some fade-aways in tonight game. I’m dj’s fan from bobcats drafed him.
I wasn't replying to you.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 7, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with most of what you said, but I’d like to point out that Kemba does pass. He passes within the offense when the Bobcats actually run a play. Outside of that, he’s not much of a play maker.
But he passes more than I expected him to.
Bro, I have Twitter and stuff.
by Joshua Priemski on Jan 7, 2012 3:47 AM EST up reply actions
So what does Augustin do?
Does he have a different offense? 90% of Kemba’s touches result in him shooting or driving. That’s the definition of an offensive black hole.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 7, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Points are Points.
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
And he's not going to shoot 60% most nights if he simply shoots every time he touches the ball.
Valid?
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 7, 2012 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
Read his title again... He's talking specifically about the "big" shots
Augustin has never been good under pressure. We know this. But playing under pressure is how Kemba made a name for himself. Who knows if he can do the same at this level… But we know Augustin cracks.
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No, that's NOT what he said.
This is:
Walker can do everything he does better
And that’s blatantly wrong.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 7, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
I agree that that statement is blatantly wrong.
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
Sorry I didn't know you were only responding to one sentence
I assumed like others you were talking about the premise of his entire comment. But regarding that one line… Few would disagree that is wrong.
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by southtunnel on Jan 7, 2012 2:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
But isn't Kemba the one coming
off the bench and getting less playing time and is a ROOKIE? Thought so.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 7, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
19 points is totally lost on offense?
Wow your calling other people insane? OH GOSH KEMBA HAS NOT HAD 12 ASSISTS YET IN 7 GAMES WHAT A LOSER!!!! Its funny how stupid you are
He's a point guard. He has no concept of how to set up a teammate whatsoever.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 7, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Yes he does
Your just a hater so you dont want to admit it, either that or you cant tell and if so you shouldnt comment about him
Ok MR literal
How can you know he has NO concept of all about that. You know that’s a wild exaggeration. He looks to shoot first… That’s all.
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by southtunnel on Jan 7, 2012 2:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
+1
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 7, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
And pass as a last resort.
Again, unacceptable for a guy who’s supposed to be our “franchise” POINT guard.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 7, 2012 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
Almost every comment here just annoyed me.
Too many knee-jerk reactions (Henderson, Thomas), anger at ugly truth (losing isn’t that bad), and over-reaction to an entertaining game in a lost season.
by Panthers FTW on Jan 7, 2012 3:07 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Ding ding ding
I assume since most people on here care enough about the Bobcats and the game of basketball to take time out of their day to discuss them on here, they would know how the game works. If there’s any sport that performance can vary widely from game to game, it’s basketball. I saw posts commending and expressing extreme optimism over Henderson’s performance against the Knicks, and now I see comments claiming that he isn’t our future and that he isn’t going to cut it. He’s had less than one season since being released from Larry Brown’s tutelage. He plays lockdown defense and has shown the ability to score. He’s been improving and there’s no reason to think he won’t continue that trend.
Talk about fickle…
I should've read your comments before posting
mine. I seen the first few posts and felt the same way.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 7, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
Whatever yal
Panthers FTW says every comment annoys him and goes on to say “losing isnt that bad” then he says we are making kneejerk decisions on Tyrus and Hendo. Tyrus got hurt AGAIN last night. And DJ White is miles ahead of him at this point. Its not even debateable. Again, the only thing Tyrus has over White is jumping and “expectation”. People EXPECT Tyrus to be good. They dont expect MUCH from White. Well since Im not a fan of “upside” over actual production, I’ll say that DJ WHITE is better than TT and TT doesnt help us become better. Go back up and read all the comments about this invisible “core” that is gonna be apart of our future. It normally goes something like this “DJ, Biyombo, Kemba, Tyrus, Hendo”…What happened to White? Why is he never mentioned? Has what he’s done CONSISTENTLY since the end of last season not matter? Or is it bc he has no “upside”? If Im not mistaken, two more rebounds a game and he’s and instant double double. Tyrus gets 34mil to do LESS than DJ White AND play less bc he always gets hurt. Anybody will tell you that although I dont criticize TT as much as Hendo, that I NEVER say ANYTHING good about Tyrus. I will at least compliment Hendo (although he’s another very big question mark). No I dont want us to trade Hendo but I just dont think he’s a good starter. Imagine DJ White’s numbers if he had Hendo’s minutes. I just think BOTH the wing positions need to be filled with some starter caliber players and let them compete for minutes just like Kemba/DJ. And Mullens/BB…
It is debatable.
No player played better for the Bobcats last year than Tyrus Thomas. That type of production is what makes him so attractive.
...for the 41 games he was healthy.
And that’s the problem. Plus, you’re talking about rate stats, and the fact that he can’t produce that in a starting, 30+ MPG role (and hasn’t over the course of a long career) is telling. I said the same thing about Nazr Mohammed when we traded for him. Sure, his rate stats were fine, but he simply wasn’t a starting-caliber player who could produce those numbers over extended minutes. Tyrus may well be the same.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 7, 2012 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
The reason I never mention White is always because
I already see him as a long term piece regardless because he is that consistent. Hendo and DJ we are still evaluating. Right now I don’t want to think about trading Kemba and Bismack because they are rookies. Mullens is improving as well and I want to see what he can do with starter’s minutes somewhere along the line. But like I was saying all last year, White is the CLOSEST thing we’ve got to a true PF and I think he’s an integral piece of the team. With his limited athleticism, I don’t think his ceiling is much higher but you don’t need it to be when you are as consistent as he is.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 7, 2012 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
I want us to lock White to an extension right now.
We won’t be winning any championships giving a player of White’s stature 30+ minutes, but we could giving him 10-15 minutes as the valuable role player it appears he already is.
Yeah. You can't go wrong have consistency like that coming off the bench.
He’ll only get better with more playing time and for me all that means is that he’ll learn more offensive moves and get more consistent. Championship teams need players like those.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 7, 2012 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
I, too, was far from surprised to see Thomas hit the floor last night.
Including tonight, he’s only played in 56% of his teams’ games in the last three seasons. That’s a problem, particularly for a guy who is still very young (not to mention very expensive.)
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 7, 2012 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry...
But I was at this game, and Walker was exceptionally lucky to come away with the points that he did. He was forcing shots left and right, and he is every bit the black hole on offense that Stephen Jackson could have ever hoped to be. He contributes nothing on the defensive end or in play-making, so if his crazy one-on-five shots aren’t falling, he’s offering nothing to the team. There’s nothing he does as a PG that Augustin doesn’t do better, so why did we get him? The two flubbed wide-open layups and the careless turnovers by Biyombo were further (sad) reminders that he simply doesn’t know how to play the game of basketball, and I’m sorry, but after you’re picked #7 in the NBA draft and given a contract worth millions is NOT the time to be learning.
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Do you ever have anything positive to say?
I thought this was a place to discuss the Bobcats, not complain about them.
At 2-5, there ain't a lot of positive to go around.
Particularly when you just used two top-11 picks on severely limited players.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 7, 2012 3:32 AM EST up reply actions
I will say this...
Augustin played an EXCEPTIONAL game. Extremely efficient as a scorer and even more so as a distributor. That’s what a PG is supposed to do, Mr. Walker. But instead of allowing Augustin to continue to blossom, we cut the legs out from under him by drafting the “future” of his position in a guy whose game is even less well-rounded.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 7, 2012 3:35 AM EST up reply actions
Lemme drop you a comparison right chyere
Assists per 36 minutes, rookie year:
Russell Westbrook: 5.87
Deron Williams: 5.63
Steve Nash: 7.20
Derrick Rose: 6.13
John Wall: 7.90
Rajon Rondo: 5.82
Chris Paul: 7.80
DJ Augustin: 4.75
Kemba Walker: 6.30
Is Kemba the best? No. But it’s premature to already claim he can’t distribute at the NBA level. And I’m not gonna go back and dig up more specifics, but from what I’ve seen, rookies tend to struggle with their shot in their first year. That’s even more to be expected considering rookies this year had almost no practice time before the season started.
by JDeLong42 on Jan 7, 2012 4:00 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Wow. You just completely showed him up.
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
Destroyed.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 7, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Wow...cool comparison!
He’s seven games in, and he did not look once last night to set up a teammate as anything other than a last resort. That is NOT PG play.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 7, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
I guess all the assists to Mullens didnt matter
It doesnt matter your a stupid hating troll that nobody like and everyone thinks you are an idiot so I dont know why I bother because its not like anyone listens to your opinion anyway. Your to much of a loser to just root for Kemba and BB and shut up no you have to hate on them and hope they do terrible
Hey, I'd love for Biyombo to be showing some semblance of an offensive game.
Even a high-school caliber level of play on that end would be great. But he ain’t got it.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 7, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
The problem is, Michael, that you completely disregard his 3 blocks in very limited minutes.
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
Yes, great.
Projected over the course of a game, he’d have 10 blocks, eight or ten missed wide-open layups, and five turnovers fumbling the ball out of bounds. Would you be satisfied with that? Because that is NOT a good line for a #8 pick.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 7, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
How can you argue with those numbers?
You’re obviously blind to information that counters your opinion.
He’s seven games in…
There ya go. It’s too early to pass judgement. You make all these statements referring to the type of player he is and ever will be. Yet when someone provides evidence to refute what you say, it’s suddenly to early to make such comparisons?
by JDeLong42 on Jan 7, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Lol.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 7, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
LOL. So 7 games doesn't convince you but 1 does?!?
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by southtunnel on Jan 7, 2012 3:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He's the same player he was in college.
Shoot-first gunner who’s poor on defense with poor shooting to boot.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 7, 2012 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
People can change there games and fix their flaws
Its this new word called development and dont say something stupid like he has played that way his whole life because it can be fixed but he is already a great passer you just cant see what logical and reasonable and non hating people see.
I agree.
DJ was held down by Larry Brown and I really don’t like the Kemba pick because people are already expecting him to replace DJ as the starter when I don’t think thats what should happen at all. It might have been better to use that pick on someone else.
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by raysfan81 on Jan 7, 2012 8:30 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Did you expect anything different?
We’re a rebuilding team that’s played 5 of our 7 games against playoff teams from last year. Kemba has not played poorly, and he has shown potential to be a big time scorer. Biyombo shows improvement every game, and we knew we were getting a defensive player in Biyombo who needs a lot of work on his offensive game. Nothing wrong with that. Kemba had a great night scoring and of course you write that off as luck and Biyombo had a pretty good defensive showing tonight. No positives from that at all?
Walker HAS played poorly.
For a guy who does nothing but score, averaging fewer than 10 PPG (with very poor shooting rates and shot selection to boot) thus far on a team desperate for offense is weak. Defending Walker is like defending Cam Newton and his 400-yard, 4-INT days. “But look at all the fantasy points!” Who cares? If the fundamentals aren’t there, the results won’t be sustainable. Furthermore, his awful defense was what allowed Atlanta into the lead during the first half after the second unit went in. His team-worst -11 is a testament to that. And I’m not sure what is supposed to impress me about Biyombo’s night. Is it the two flubbed layups that you or I could make? Or the time he couldn’t even corral the ball before he could miss the layup. Yes, he’s supposedly a defensive player. But we would literally be better off telling him to stay on the defensive end when we have the ball. He’s nothing but a negative on offense, and at the cost of a #7 pick, that is totally unacceptable. And that studly defense is part of what allowed Josh Smith to hit no fewer than six shots inside the no-charge arc. His only NBA-caliber skill at the moment is the ability to stand in front of the basket and jump with his arms raised, and that is simply not what the team should have gotten to pick so high.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 7, 2012 3:46 AM EST up reply actions
Chill, Michael. Dude’s been playing ball for a few years. I’m not convinced he’s a bust, but I acknowledge that he’s quite the project. Be patient.
Bro, I have Twitter and stuff.
by Joshua Priemski on Jan 7, 2012 3:49 AM EST up reply actions
Kemba is 4th in the NBA in shooting percentage among rookies
And he’s 1.2% behind DJ Augustin.
And I absolutely hate the plus-minus stat. The other 4 guys on the floor contribute to that as much as the individual. Vladimir Radmanovic had the best plus-minus on the Hawks tonight. Does that mean he was their best player tonight?
Back to my shooting percentage numbers
In my late-night sleepiness I neglected the fact that very few players qualify to make the shooting percentage lists. Of the 25 rookie guards that have taken a shot this year, Kemba is right in the middle of the pack at T-13. Nothing spectacular, but it’s not as dreadful as you make it out to be.
And how many of those players were drafted as high as he was?
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 7, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Well only two PGs were ahead of him, so I guess you'd only be happy if he was top 3
Jimmer Fredette, who’s supposed to be Mr. Shooter, is shooting a lower percentage than Kemba. And Kemba is on par so far with players like Tony Parker and Russell Westbrook. And he’s shooting better than Joe Johnson, Jason Richardson, Deron Williams, and John Wall.
And what do their shots look like?
Do they drive the ball in on the basket one-on-five every other time they have the ball in their hands? Do they regularly jack up contested jumpers? Because Walker does, and that’s not a formula for success when scoring is all you do.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 7, 2012 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
What difference does it make how he does it?
I don’t care if he jumps up spins around and throws the basketball backwards over his head. As long is it goes in, it’s not a problem.
You sound like Felton defenders.
I don’t care where he ranks. 40% from a shoot-first gunner is unimpressive, period the end.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 7, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
I doubt you've ever played basketball
a day in your life so I’m not sure of your chances of making those lay ups.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 7, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
You would be wrong.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 7, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
This is getting pitiful.
Do you really have such a limited intellectual ability that you can only attack people rather than offering substantive, reasoned opinions?
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 7, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Why be intellectual with an idiot like you?
You never listen to anything anyone says there is no point arguing with you so I prefer to make fun of you. Just keep it up you already got banned from CSR it wont be long until your gone from here too. You would think you would learn to stop being a troll.
P.S.:
When the guy in charge of game recaps is going to write nothing but glowing reviews of a home loss to a team coming off a triple-overtime loss to a Chris Bosh-led Miami team, there’s already MORE than enough positive that has been said.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 7, 2012 3:34 AM EST up reply actions
You see, that's the thing
Most fans of a team will look for the positives from a performance, even if it is a loss. It makes the losses easier to stomach and provides hope for the future. Even if we lose, we can find bright spots that can be seen as glimpses into the future when we’ll be more successful, and it excites us to see the potential foundation pieces being put into place.
Comin from a person
who thinks its ok to lose. And losing makes us better…smh
Are you talking about me?
Cause I want to see us win, I just don’t think we will. We’re too young an inexperienced.
Biyombo is a beast.
Plain and simple. You may as well get your hating out the way now because he has improved in every game he’s played.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 7, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly.
4.1 Blocks per 36? Guys a defensive stud.
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
Exactly. I think
3 blocks a game once he gets fully developed is his floor. I said at his best he could probably put up record numbers and average 5 a game over his career. I still think he has the ability to do that no matter how outlandish it may sound to some.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 7, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah but we desperately need him to be an offensive presence in the paint as well
I’m not talking about killing it. But at least get into double digits.
This is how I roll, animal print pants out control.
And he contributes literally NOTHING else.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 7, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
P.S.:
per 36 numbers don’t matter if you can’t stay in the game longer than 20 without fouling out.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 7, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
One of your dumbest statements.
Biyombo leaves the game because Paul Silas takes him out for DJ White. The only way to judge a player averaging 10 minutes a game completely is to use per 36.
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
And why does he get taken out?
Usually, it’s his relentless fouling. When it’s not that, it’s missing wide open layups or fumbling the ball out of bounds on great looks from his teammates.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 7, 2012 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
He hasn't really been that much of a foul machine.
Cut it out. He barely played against NY because the team was doing fine without him. His playing time being low isn’t about foul trouble.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 7, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Oh good now your ignorant ass is talking about both of the rookie
How the fuck are you going to sit here and say he was lucky cause he was forcing shots? The dude made them that us not forcing shots you idiot have you ever picked up a basketball? And really Biyombo doesnt know how to play basketball? The dude has been better on offense then we expected and had 3 blocks last night or was your dumb ass to busy staring and the cheerleader when that happen. Your just a hater who does not know anything about the Bobcats and you need to leave this site because no one wants you here and you know it and if anyone does they just want to make fun of your opinions. I also refuse to beleive you went to the game because that would mean actually being a fan. You would probably sit in a chair and when Kemba hit 3 three pointers boo.
Wow, overrreact much folks?
Look, Atlanta is a bad matchup for us, especially with the injuries we have right now. We were smaller at every position on the floor and I thought Silas did a fairly nice job countering Drew’s moves. He absolutely had to put Kemba and DJ in together to get more scoring on the court and going zone with them actually worked out well. Atlanta had a much tougher time against the zone than our man to man defense.
Just chill out a bit everyone. Had Diaw made the shot at the end of regulation, I bet the mood would be a bit different. Basketball is like that. Over the course of a 48 minute game, there is usually 100 different things you can overanalyze that swung a close game. A loss is a loss. Move on and play Indiana tonight.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Jan 7, 2012 9:25 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Exactly.
Let’s just ignore the fact the team fought back from down 11 to force overtime and actually put ourselves in a position to win the game. Granted I do think Kemba should be the one taking those shots, but that’s a different story. They just fell apart in overtime. It happens to the best of them. I’m proud of them for fighting back and forcing it. It’s crazy people talking about all these changes we need to make 7 games into the season of year one of our rebuilding project. This was our REBUILDING squad against a squad that will make the playoffs as a top four seed likely again. This is Bismack at his rawest. This is Mullens with the first significant playing time ever in his career. This is Henderson’s first year as a starter after being buried away on the bench. This is Kemba’s ROOKIE year and he’s at his streakiest. This is DJ Augustin looking over his shoulder. This is Tyrus looking like he’s on crack. This is Reggie Williams, our best 3 point shooter no doubt, out recovering from surgery. This is Maggette OUT. With all of that, they still barely lost in OT. Cut out the bs.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 7, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
Barely?
They never even challenged in overtime. To say otherwise is delusional.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 7, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Lol. Not to Michael.
Not to Michael.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 7, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
According to your own signature, you're extremely ignorant
You call somebody “delusional” for saying we barely lost a game that went to overtime. SMH!
Charlotte: Where rebuilding happens
Ok, fine.
The overtime is irrelevant, right? Is this the NHL? Did we get half a win in the standings just for making it to OT?
Personal attacks are the weapon of the ignorant.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 7, 2012 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
Putting words in my mouth...
Did I say overtime is irrelevant? No
Did I say that the loss counts any different in the standings? No
I merely called you out for calling someone “delusional” just because they dared to suggest that we barely lost a game in which, had we scored OME MORE POINT in regulation, we would have won.
That is all I said, nothing more…and I stand by it.
Charlotte: Where rebuilding happens
Looking at this thread
lets me know that the Bobcats do indeed, much like the Panthers, have a fickle ass fan base of whine and cheese fans. Smh.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 7, 2012 9:51 AM EST reply actions
Stop hating, josh
1. DJ has been outstanding all year, and for you to call this game a “change of pace” for him is BS. He is putting up double-doubles left and right and rarely turns the ball over. He can get to the rim whenever he wants and is the Bobcat I have the most trust in behind the arc by far. He is a legitimate NBA point guard.
2. To criticize Byron for lacking defensive prowess is quite harsh to me. He is a 7 foot white guy. Are there any 7 foot white guys in the NBA who you can honestly say are solid defenders? Without Byron, we would have lost against Milwaukee and New York. His scoring and hustle has kept us in almost every game we’ve had. He is the best addition we made in the offseason so far. I think he should start.
3. I have no idea where you went to college, Josh, but my guess is Duke, based on your kind review of Gerald, who has been our worst player this year. He is so inconsistent on offense, and on the nights when he is off, he takes 7 or 8 possessions away by taking tough turnaround faders from 20 feet of off a screen because he is trying to get back in the game offensively. He never recognizes that he’s cold. Your praise to him for stopping Marvin Williams in the post was confusing to me. Marvin Williams? He is not a guy you get major kudos for defending well.
4. Let’s not jump all over Tankapalooza so quickly. If DJ White hits that put back against Miami and DJ Augustin makes his and-one free throw against Atlanta in regulation, then this team is 4-3 with wins over two top-5 seeds in the East. We have some talent. We have good players. To act like this season is a lost cause after 7 games is immature and disrespectful to the Bobcats organization. I hope that in the future you can write with a more positive outlook. So far, I think this Bobcats team has some similarities with the Panthers. Both teams have had Lots of tough losses against good teams that an older, more experienced team might have won. Let’s be happy that the Bobcats are playing this season. Let’s be glad we aren’t all Wizards fans. Let’s be glad that we have a young team with tons of potential. Being happy that the Bobcats lost is useless. We need all of the fans we can get.
by manuman13 on Jan 7, 2012 11:23 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I agree about the similarities with the Panthers.
Not to mention a pair of fanbases satisfied with “excitement” and “potential” in the face of countless losses.
Personal attacks are the weapon of the ignorant.
Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!
by MichaelProcton on Jan 7, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah,
because no one else in the world thinks Cam Newton is one of the best players in football ALREADY.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 7, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
Nothing says "best player" like a QB who leads his team to 6-10.
I bet Timmy Chang was one of your favorite college QBs ever.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 7, 2012 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
6 wins is triple the total the year before
The Panthers also has the largest offensive turnaround in NFL history. We doubled our point total this year. I believe you are guilty of unrealistic expectations sir.
Why do you like looking stupid?
Nobody would ever agree with your opinion on Newton you dont deserve to say his name your a disgrace to people who watch sports. You honestly disgust me, because of you I will never eat at BK just because of your picture.
1-4
1. I agree with you
2. mention the fact that he is white is irrelevant (sp?). but a solid white defensive player is Marcin Gortat and Greg Steitsma (sp?, Center from Boston who averages 3 blocks per game), Omar Asik, and Tim Mozgov are good defenders as well,
3. Gerald Henderson our worst player? He has been one of our top players with Diaw and DJ. Without his scoring in NY game we lose, Miami game wouldnt be close (first 1), he is best perimeter defender (ask kobe). I am huge UNC fan and i recognize the significant positive impact Hendo has on our team. He is our SG for the future, stop jumping ship after one poor shooting night. Most of us were on his bojangles after the NY game and now we are hating on him.. relax, Gerald Wallace had 1 point last night but does anyone this he sucks.. i am assuming no.
4. Agreed
I'd prefer you ban TSB.
He can’t control himself from making personal attacks against other posters in violation of the site’s TOS simply because their opinions disagree with his own.
Personal attacks are the weapon of the ignorant.
Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!
by MichaelProcton on Jan 7, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
No. Stephen Jackson is liked by at least two people:
Gerald Wallace and Keith Smart.
Boone Logan is a good boy. So is David Robertson. Team A.J.
Lol.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 7, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
Only a matter of time
He was already banned from Cat Scratch Reader (Panther’s blog) over a year ago for being a troll and a bully
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Lol.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 7, 2012 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
lmao
how can you hate on Kemba for not getting assists when he plays half of his minutes at shooting guard. thats pretty stupid. He’s getting 3 apg playing probably less than 10 mpg of actual PG. not bad at all
position he plays doesnt matter
Diaw plays center and he gets about 5 assists per game. LBJ plays SF and gets 8. Court vision is court vision, either he has it or not. I think it is too early to tell, rookie PGs always have low assists per game anyway. I think dude has it in him, he is just still learning the NBA way of being a PG. It always takes at least a year.
by mrfrontpage on Jan 7, 2012 3:41 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
assists are meaningless. the fact is you can’t judge someones abilitty to play point guard by watching him play the majority of his minutes at SG
i can agree to that
as long as he helps keep the flow of the offense at a high level and shows leadership.. to me those are two biggest qualities of PG.. I think Kemba needs to still work on his ability to keep the flow of the offense at high level..
"I don’t want to shoot my mouth in my foot, but those are games we can win."
You can judge it fine when he shoots 90% of the time he touches the ball regardless of position or game situation.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 7, 2012 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
I provided evidence to the contrary earlier
His assist rate is better than some of the NBA’s great distributors in their rookie years
anyway, the fact is we are doing Kemba a major disservice by playing him heavy minutes at SG, much like we did for DJ and Felton before him. I am 10000% sure DJ is shopped heavily right now. You just don’t draft a PG in the lottery when you have a young PG already on the roster unless you don’t want him long term. We’ll either trade him or lose him for nothing ala Felton.
And the longer we keep playing Kemba at SG the more we will screw him up, and the closer we will be to having this exact same conversation 3 yrs from now when Kemba’s free agency is coming up just like we did with Raymond and just like we are now with DJ. let PGs play PG
any PT for Kemba is good PT, regardless if it is at 1 or 2
"I don’t want to shoot my mouth in my foot, but those are games we can win."
i disagree i think it builds bad habits and mindsets for a young player. thats why we werent sure if Felton was a combo guard till it was time to pay him, and same with DJ. and then we are stuck making tough decisions every time. if you play him at SG so much, dont be surprised when he becomes an SG. we have a history of screwing up our point guards during this early development time.
I agree with both of you.
I think it can only help that Kemba gets more playing time to develop his shooting and confidence, AND passing, but I also agree that playing him too much at SG will probably give him the mindset of one and it’ll take him longer to get comfortable running the offense as a PG.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 7, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
That's the only mindset he's played with since high school.
Personal attacks are the weapon of the ignorant.
Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!
by MichaelProcton on Jan 7, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
Time for Mullens to start!
I’m sure someone probably said this above, but nonetheless, it’s time. DJ White’s doing a nice job,but mullens provides more size (with moving diaw down to PF) and he’s improving his defense and rebounding each game
Charlotte: Where rebuilding happens
DJ white is improving
stats say so
"I don’t want to shoot my mouth in my foot, but those are games we can win."
I love DJ White
I just think we’d be better off with a 7-footer in the lineup, rather than two 6’8" guys at PF and C, especially when neither of those two guys is very athletic.
I’d be fine with White starting at PF over Boris, but either way Mullens should start imo.
Charlotte: Where rebuilding happens
agreed
i still like that Bizmack and Mullens coming off the bench together, but now that TT is back we wont see the Biz as much
"I don’t want to shoot my mouth in my foot, but those are games we can win."
Tyrus will be back for another 2 quarters.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 7, 2012 6:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Or we can just trade Diaw now
and let both of them play.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 7, 2012 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
would like that
get a first rounder from contender. lakers, thunder, knicks, clippers…
"I don’t want to shoot my mouth in my foot, but those are games we can win."
Why is there so much Kemba vs DJ hate?
Can’t we as fans just like both of them? They are both small but are nowhere near the same kind of player. They both do certain things well and have their own unique flaws that need to be improved. I just don’t see why everyone has to pick sides.
6 feet of Smooth
by Bring Back Primoz on Jan 7, 2012 6:29 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
thank you
i completely agree
"I don’t want to shoot my mouth in my foot, but those are games we can win."
DJ has really impressed me this season.
His defense is still non-existent, but his offense has been fairly terrific.
I don’t hate either, but I’m assuming it comes from the fact that there can probably only be one, since Augustin will be due for a pay day this off-season.
Because the front office forced us to.
Long-term, those two players cannot coexist on a good team. If they’re in the game together, we’re going to get wrecked on defense, and if they can’t do that, the most either can play is capped by their limitations.
Personal attacks are the weapon of the ignorant.
Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!
by MichaelProcton on Jan 7, 2012 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
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