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Bobcats End Four Game Skid, Put Clamps on Knicks 118-110

I'm not even completely sure what to say after this one.

While the Bobcats most certainly had an unusually good shooting performance from just about everyone, the Knicks' defense was atrocious and permitted the Bobcats to play as well as they did. Chicken or the egg?

In the beginning, Diaw easily shook off last night's sad performance, rattling off perfect six-for-six shooting, stretching the discombobulated Knicks defense, and then easily penetrating and finding teammates for open shots. Augustin was also playing pretty well, dishing 8 dimes in the first half. The Bobcats defense struggled initially, getting gashed by Tyson Chandler pick and rolls. But the Bobcats picked their shots extremely well on offense, making four of six first-half three attempts and taking advantage of a sluggish Knicks defense.

The Knicks just really didn't look very into the game at all, if that makes sense. They weren't out of striking distance at any point, but they weren't committed on defense and couldn't get a rhythm going on offense. Considering the Bobcats were on a tail end of back-to-back, that should be a concern. On defense, it was basically a free-for-all. The Knicks were burned on slow switches, didn't fight through screens, didn't bring help defense well and simply didn't play good man defense. Towards the end of the fourth quarter Boris Diaw left Amar'e Stoudemire in Brooklyn as he spun around Amar'e and easily walked to the basket for a reverse layup as Stoudemire scrambled for a late contest.

Star-divide

The Bobcats trailed the Knicks only at two points during the game: when the score was 0-2 and 2-4. For a team as young as they are, the Bobcats handled the game and New York's comeback attempts very well. They made some mistakes that young teams do, like on inbounds plays, but on the whole, they were in control.

Augustin didn't have the most efficient scoring night, with 14 points on 14 shots, but his 10 assists and zero turnovers were exceptional. Kemba Walker also had a rough scoring night, with seven points on eight shots, but like Augustin, he was much better as a distributor. Finding fellow Bobcats for 5 assists, he put the ball in the shooters' hands accurately.

Game of the night honors easily go to Boris Diaw, who surprisingly returned to his earlier form, and Gerald Henderson. The pair combined for 51 points on 28 field goal attempts (Diaw 12-15, Henderson 10-13). Henderson also helped shut down the Knicks' backcourt and added in four rebounds and four steals.

The Bobcats frontcourt was once again aptly held down by D.J. White and Byron Mullens. White quietly nearly had a double-double (10 points, nine rebounds) and Mullens was a killer off the bench, dropping 16 points on eight shots, along with five rebounds. I should also mention that although Derrick Brown wasn't much to notice on offense, his defense on Carmelo Anthony was commendable.

I'm a little nonplussed with Silas's withholding of playing time from Bismack Biyombo. Playing him more may have cost the Bobcats a win here, but I doubt it. D.J. White wasn't much of a factor late and Biyombo could definitely use that time, too.

The key stat tonight had to be the assist:turnover ratio. While Charlotte more than doubled up on their turnovers with assists, the Knicks struggled to get above a simple 1:1. As such, the Bobcats got easier shots, made fewer mistakes, and made it look easy as they brushed the Knicks off on the road.

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Good win Cats

Panther Pride 'till I die.

by mangoes52 on Jan 4, 2012 11:17 PM EST reply actions  

hendo and diaw both played awesome games

this was a fun one.

Boone Logan is a good boy. So is David Robertson. Team A.J.

by goyanks69 on Jan 4, 2012 11:18 PM EST reply actions  

Missed the game

But looked at the box score and I’m pleasantly surprised that Mullens and White keep on ticking like a finely tuned Rolex.

Good win for the Bobcats and once again excellent work by Rich Cho for finding young talent for the cheap.

Go Bobcats!!!!!

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by gunnin' gervin on Jan 4, 2012 11:35 PM EST reply actions  

Great all around...

only complaint, 4 minutes for The Biz????

You can’t be lazy or look past this team…cuz they will sneak up and bite you in the buttocks.

by mives36 on Jan 4, 2012 11:51 PM EST reply actions  

Oh!

And I liked Kemba looking to find Mullens for his jumpers. Good connection there tonight.

by mives36 on Jan 4, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

yes

Once Kemba decided that he would stop throwing up bad shots he looked for Mullins immediately on every play. They showed good chemistry there. Fun fact, they both were on McDonalds All American team in 2008

by mrfrontpage on Jan 5, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe

he has increased his career high in four straight games if i heard right. On this pace if the game is on the right time of schedule he could drop 50

by mrfrontpage on Jan 5, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

BJ is pretty exciting

He’s improved every game. Last night it was post moves we haven’t yet seen. Tonight he was rebounding with serious passion, something he was disparaged for earlier.

by drapht00 on Jan 4, 2012 11:56 PM EST reply actions  

anyone who wants some entertainment should check out posting and toasting right now

they’re freaking out like you wouldn’t believe lol

Boone Logan is a good boy. So is David Robertson. Team A.J.

by goyanks69 on Jan 5, 2012 12:10 AM EST reply actions  

lol,

damn, I forgot to check them out during the game last night. I’ll have to go peek over there now lol

by Roger, Roger on Jan 5, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I only watched the highlights tonight...

But Hendo is starting look more and more like he’s got a little bit of Kobe in him.

What is up with these cats? So bipolar!

by jkp1516 on Jan 5, 2012 12:11 AM EST reply actions  

I heard recently

that Mike Finley wanted to come back to the league..How do we feel about picking him up for a scoring punch off the bench for a season? Im still on board with Moon or Elijah Milsap also to hold down some minutes behind Maggette.

by focuslja on Jan 5, 2012 12:53 AM EST reply actions  

Wouldn't hurt, although once Williams gets back there will be no point.

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by FirstCat on Jan 5, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

finley?

maybe as an assistant coach. i would rather have Gilbert Arenas playing the 2. Hell i would go out and sign Scotty Hopson

by mrfrontpage on Jan 5, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I called this one...

Then again, it was a 50/50 shot. I think the Knicks are a bit of a paper tiger after all.

by Aisander D on Jan 5, 2012 12:59 AM EST reply actions  

That team should scare nobody

The league is obsessed with having a “Big 3,” but the only place it’s worked was in Boston where all 3 guys fit together perfectly. Miami might pull it off, but that’s because Wade and LeBron are otherworldly and take terrible teams deep in the playoffs by themselves. I don’t think a Big 3 is the way to a championship unless the players make sense and the Knicks make no sense. And they’re locked in to 2 injury prone contracts for years. Sweet.

by drapht00 on Jan 5, 2012 1:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Spurs Old Celtics

Had big 3’s also. Manu, Tony and Tim have all been all stars and the older Celtics had Bird, McHale and Robert “The Chief” Parrish

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by gunnin' gervin on Jan 5, 2012 2:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Carmelo

could probably have accomplished more had he stayed focused and committed with Denver, but, no, he wanted to play in the big city market. Denver may have lost a star, but damn, did they walk away quite happy after the Carmelo trade. I still can’t believe the Knicks gave up so much in that trade.

I’m sorry, but I’m going to laugh every time someone tells me the Knicks are a well built, functioning team. Carmelo and Stoudemire, both very talented players, can’t carry this team far on their own. They play amazingly well, but in general, they’re on a team with many random pieces thrown in, that, generally speaking, don’t work well together. Maybe that will change, I don’t know, but it hasn’t really during the past few seasons. And then you have your typical D’Antoni system that often creates incredible looking stats, and you have thousands, (or maybe millions?) of fans who think their New York squad is an awesome team.

I honestly thought we’d lose again, to be honest, but we didn’t (and I’m glad of course), and in the process of winning last night we exposed several of the weaknesses that the Knickerboxers often try to disguise. If a ‘trainwreck of a team’ like us can go in and play that well in the Garden, than most teams should take note and realize that just because there’s so much media hype over MSG and the city of New York, it doesn’t mean it’s going to be impossible for you to go in and play well, and ultimately, beat Spike Lee’s fave team.

by Roger, Roger on Jan 5, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I felt the same way.

The eye test told me the Knicks were terrible on defense and their offense would be dysfunctional. I was confident we’d win this one.

by Panthers FTW on Jan 5, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

I find it most interesting that not one comment or any portion of your recap

makes even the first mention of Maggette’s injury, or any concerns of his chances for a quick recovery from it. That’s all I’ll say about it…

It’s safe to say that Diaw bounced back, huh? Wow.

Augustin: 14 points (granted, on a poor field goal shooting night), 10 assists, 6 rebounds, ZERO turnovers. Insert trade debate here.

Hendo was an assassin (Kevin Harlan voice) tonight! Jumpers from all over the place. Towards the end of the game, you could tell he definitely had Melo’s attention; he was so pissed that his teammates kept leaving him so much space.

I, too, would love to see a lot more of Biyombo, BUT…with the way that Mullens is playing, I ain’t even that mad. He looks like a bonafied starting NBA center to me. Someone made a comment in another thread that he’s better than the center that he was buried behind in OKC. No arguments there. Deadly range, solid post moves, and plenty of potential for growth on defense…for a second round pick? Crime of the century.

I really hope Silas lives up to his word in regards to Thomas’ return. It would be a shame for White to lose his role overnight just because Tyrus is healthy.

I love the situation Anthony and Stoudamire is in…that honeymoon in New York was really short, wasn’t it? I don’t want to take too much away from our win tonight, but the Knicks do not look so good. I mean, their record is identical to ours, but “they haz teh superstarz!” Isn’t that what everyone says you need in this league to compete? lol…whatever.

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Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for DPOY!

by Newsinz on Jan 5, 2012 1:51 AM EST reply actions  

Mullens is balling but I think the Thunder needed a defensive center and we can all agree Mullens has a ways to go before he becomes a solid defender.

Cho did get a steal if Mullens keeps up the pace he is setting. When Tyrus gets back it is gonna really screw up the big guy rotation I fear. I would really like to see Bismack, Mullens and even White continue to get good minutes because it seems they are getting better with each game. But Tyrus is a solid big who is getting paid well so you know they are going to play him

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by gunnin' gervin on Jan 5, 2012 2:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Tyrus is a better defender then all of them at this point so he will be able to add that to the current group along with rebounds. Mullens and White are going to be hard to keep off the court if they keep scoring at this pace. Jumpers seem effortless and with Mags down we are going to need contribution from other positions. Brown is not reliable

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by MMA_PITBULL on Jan 5, 2012 2:29 AM EST up reply actions  

No offense

but its amazing how we have all these assumptions about TT. He has never been consistent enough to draw conclusions like “he’s a better defender” or “overall better player”…how can we know this? Has he even played 30 straight games for us? 20? Tyrus is ok but I just cant throw the other players under the bus for a player that hasnt done much himself…

by focuslja on Jan 5, 2012 8:08 AM EST up reply actions  

While it's fair to point out that TT's injuries limit his effectiveness and shoudl give us cause for concern...

A healthy Tyrus Thomas is easily a better front court than any other player we have.

You could argue that Diaw is more disciplined on defense, though he’s also a lot less athletic than Tyrus. You could argue that Biyombo will grow into a better defender, but he’s still a little used rook at this point.

by Basketball Rambler on Jan 5, 2012 8:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Injuries are one thing

But when he’s been on the court, yes, he’s been a strong presence. Last year, several national writers were mentioning him as sixth man of the year at the midpoint before the meniscus injury derailed him. For a Bobcat to get that kind of press (seriously, I know the Knicks lost last night, but who beat them again?) says something about his performance.

by djwilliams11 on Jan 5, 2012 9:12 AM EST up reply actions  

its fine you are entitled to your opinion but Tyrus is the better defender when he is on the court imo

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by MMA_PITBULL on Jan 5, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually we do.

It’s that thing called statistics that shows when he’s on the floor, he plays well. Although, I know you tend to ignore what statistics say, so it seems pointless to bring it up.

by Panthers FTW on Jan 5, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

when he is in suit

anyone catch him yesterday talking trash to Melo when walking to a timeout huddle. Good to see TT cares about his team. He impedes ball movement on offense however, DJ White has played very well and should still see plenty of time off the bench after TT gets back

by mrfrontpage on Jan 5, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

White plays good enough defense

and scores just as efficiently if not more than TT. When has Tyrus spend a long enough stretch of games for us to truly guage what he can do?

by focuslja on Jan 5, 2012 9:12 PM EST up reply actions  

White doesn't need minutes.

He’s a good player, I love what he brings to the table, but I’m fairly confident this is his ceiling. And if that’s the case, he’ll be a very good role player for a long time, because he can rebound, he can shoot, and he can do so efficiently. He can’t create his own shot and he isn’t a bulldog on defense, but he can play very efficient minutes night in and night out.

On the other side, you have Thomas, who is very unpopular around these parts lately, a player who is so talented and such a defensive force, his upside is so much higher than DJ White. He needs the bulk of the minutes at PF when he returns (making sure White can still get some burn, because he’s proved he deserves it), but you have to play your most talented players when they’re around, and you’d have to really dislike TT to not admit besides maybe Kemba, Hendo, and Diaw, he’s the most talented player we have.

If only he wasn’t so enigmatic.

by Panthers FTW on Jan 5, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Thomas lacks the consistency to be great

He’s shown flashes, but never the ability to maintain it. That’s the problem I have with him, DJ and Diaw… You never know if the good player will show up. But that’s what has been great about White and Mullins… Consistency. They almost always give you the same effort and production every game.

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by southtunnel on Jan 5, 2012 12:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I guess I'm more willing to tolerate Thomas's inconsistency right now.

He led our team in PER last season, which I found to be outstanding, and I just see his upside being high. Considering how much money we have invested in him, I’m more willing to give him the chance to prove himself over the course of the season.

I love the consistency White has shown thus far, but as I said, I feel like this is his ceiling. We’re not going to win a lot of games with White as our starting PF, I feel Thomas gives us a better chance to win. Since we’re building towards next year, I want Thomas to have every chance to show us what he has so we know where he stands with the squad come next season.

by Panthers FTW on Jan 5, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

One thing that did stand out to me was in our playoff "run"

Everybody on the team came out timid and hesitant EXCEPT Thomas. Dude had no nerves at all.

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by southtunnel on Jan 5, 2012 2:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

By my recollection,

he was the only one that turned out a halfway decent series. I want to see who would step up for us in the playoffs off of this squad. My money would be on Tyrus and Kemba.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 5, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember he was unconscious from the corner in one of those games.

I swear he made like 4-5 straight jumpers from the same spot.

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Biyombo for DPOY!

by Newsinz on Jan 5, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, he was ballin.

That’s why I came away with the impression it was an absolute must to sign him instead of Felton. Not to mention the fact we just gave up a draft pick for him. I measure the players a lot on how they perform in crunch time. Playoff time.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 5, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

"Not to mention the fact we just gave up a draft pick for him."

That’s what we call a sunk cost. It should not be factored into deciding which one to keep.

by Tim Rudisill on Jan 5, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

For the credibility of the front office, I think so..

In determining which player is more essential to team success, you’re right, it has no bearing.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 5, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

It should considering we hadn't had time yet to fully evaluate Thomas

We knew Felton’s ceiling, we didn’t yet (still don’t) know Thomas’. The new kid gets an edge not just because of the potential investment, but because he’s still unknown.

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by southtunnel on Jan 5, 2012 7:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

When are

you guys gonna let go the fact that we gave up a draft pick for him. Who cares? by gones are by gones. It was a loss that we took. Its time to let go of that fact. We will never get that value of that pick back

by focuslja on Jan 5, 2012 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

It may not ever affect us.

"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."

by FirstCat on Jan 5, 2012 9:27 PM EST up reply actions  

How so?

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by southtunnel on Jan 6, 2012 7:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

By the time the Bulls receive the pick we will likely be a consistent playoff team ( 4 years or so)

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by FirstCat on Jan 6, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

How do you figure?

You act like Tyrus is no good. That’s why it’s hard to take you serious. You match his production against that of who is drafted in that place to make that determination then you tell me if it wasn’t worth it.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 6, 2012 9:11 AM EST up reply actions  

re Maggette

Honestly, I meant to make a comment about it but plainly just forgot about it. For those who missed it, Maggette wasn’t very remarkable at all last night, not even drawing fouls. In the second half he went down with a strained left hamstring and was questionable to return, but would not make an appearance again. I have yet to see any update today on his condition.

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by Ben Swanson on Jan 5, 2012 12:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Bonnell said it's not good

Which to me sounds good. Not that I want the guy to be injured, but I hate watching him play.

by drapht00 on Jan 5, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

The real question about Maggette's hammy

Is whether or not the MRI shows any anti-awesomeness.

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by Bring Back Primoz on Jan 5, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

sucks

dude sucks anyway. he stops ball movement, doesnt play defense, just reaches instead of playing straight up. He takes bad shots and fades on half of them. Now we get to see if Derrick Brown can prove himself with playing time. Dude just needs to take care of the ball.

by mrfrontpage on Jan 5, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

And make free throws

He’s not the answer as a starter, but he’s certainly good for 10-12 minutes per game.

by drapht00 on Jan 5, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Get well soon, Maggette!

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by Newsinz on Jan 5, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

i had zero hope we would beat the Knicks but we played well and finished off a strong shooting performance. We play them again in NY on Mon. Ill be interested to see how they respond

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by MMA_PITBULL on Jan 5, 2012 2:22 AM EST reply actions  

As the Diaw Turns

should be the name of this soap opera. Back and forth with Diaw to get him motivated is getting old. Only 16 minutes for Kemba and even less for Biyombo, SMH. I knew Everyone’s favorite pg wouldn’t equal his 26 total from last night. That was just a rarity, although he certainly took enough shots tonight to try and equal that. LOL. I know, I give Augustin a hard time because he’s a shorter American version of Diaw. Inconsistent but capable of scoring in volumes. I guess Hendo is a true scoring option now. He is consistently putting up 20 points. Great job and great improvement.

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by D.W.G. on Jan 5, 2012 2:53 AM EST reply actions  

great surprise win here

this was a great moral victory for us as well. this win should help shake off the remnants of Cleveland, and hopefully we can take this into the Cable Box when the Hawks come back into town.

Maggette’s fall was scary. i hope it’s not an ACL and that he’s able to have a speedy recovery. on nights like these, he’s a great player to have.
however, should he be out an extended period of time, i’d like to see somebody step up and take on the scoring load. i believe that the consusensus “want” would be for Kemba to come out and drop 30 a night, but as i continue to watch, i believe that DJ and Hendo could both make up for some scoring.
would i call one of them the “go to” guy? probably not, but it’s never a bad thing to have these guys shooting well.

also, i think we can all respect what Byron is doing. what a pleasant surprise. this team will be very exciting to watch next year too.

i also agree with Ben, Silas should have probably played Biyombo a bit more. 4 minutes? thats all? if i were coaching, 10 minutes is the goal every night for Biyombo. he can only get better by learning through the process.

overall, it’s good to see the Bobcats scoring over 84 points in games now. even if the defense was nonexistent.

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by StudMuffin15 on Jan 5, 2012 5:54 AM EST reply actions  

DJ was dishing and swishing. Diaw was spinning and winning. I love listening to Clyde Frazier.

by Basketball Rambler on Jan 5, 2012 8:46 AM EST reply actions  

My wife adores him.

I bought her an autographed player card for her birthday a few years ago. I wanted to get a signed Just for Men box, but there were none to be found.

by milky C on Jan 5, 2012 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder which one of NY's "Big 3" will be the first to be traded.

D’antoni will be fired before all of it anyway.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 5, 2012 9:54 AM EST reply actions  

If Mullins keeps this up, I think we should start him at C and move Diaw back to PF

Shooting nearly 60% the guy might be our best shooter. And even if he can’t finish in the paint, if he can just get to the foul line he’s money! Yet to miss a FT.

Also Chandler was having his way in the paint against Diaw before we started rotating in Mullins and Biyombo. But later he became very ineffective having to constantly guard the perimeter… Which opened up the paint for Diaw.

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by southtunnel on Jan 5, 2012 10:27 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Chandler is really earning his money in NY.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 5, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Lol. D'antoni is an idiot.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 5, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

lol agreed. i'm from ny so as soon as anyone mentions knicks around here,

it’s usually followed by “D’Antoni sucks”

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by goyanks69 on Jan 5, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Lol.

Woodson would do better.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 5, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

agreed

Boone Logan is a good boy. So is David Robertson. Team A.J.

by goyanks69 on Jan 5, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure Thomas is better than DJ White

Thomas is probably a better defender, but White is a better shooter and far more consistent.

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by southtunnel on Jan 5, 2012 11:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

And White takes smarter shots

Thomas can be a bit wreckless at times.

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by southtunnel on Jan 5, 2012 11:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure about it.

DJ White is very efficient scorer and does his role well. But, as I outlined above, Tyrus is the more talented player and has the ability to do a lot of things White can’t.

I agree that he takes smarter shots though, since White is a very efficient player who restrains his game within the confines of the offense. It’s the ability to recognize that that makes him a really good role player, but I see Thomas being able to be so much more. I still believe in him (mainly because he was fantastic in limited time last year) so I still think he can be great.

by Panthers FTW on Jan 5, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I wonder how he'd do at SF?

Because it would be great if he could take Brown’s minutes and be on the floor with White or Biyombo.

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by southtunnel on Jan 5, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel like that'd be detrimental for Thomas.

If we put TT on the wing, I feel like he’d take more jumpers, which we obviously don’t want. Not to mention he tends to be a bull in a china shop when he puts the ball on the floor.

He belongs banging around on the inside and have the ability to help on the weak side. That skillset belongs at the PF.

by Panthers FTW on Jan 5, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Tyrus

has never proven that he is better than White. What exactly can Tyrus do better than White is showing now? White is almost a double double machine. He plays d. He rebounds well, scores efficiently (takes smart shots)…What can Tyrus do other than jump higher than White? The “potenital” and “ceiling” crap dont count.

by focuslja on Jan 5, 2012 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not going to bother answering, because it'd be like arguing with a brick wall.

I’ll just say I’m going off what I’ve heard from scouts and professionals in the business (not first hand, but from what I’ve read) so that’s where I’ve developed my opinion.

by Panthers FTW on Jan 6, 2012 12:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Im just asking personally

what does he do better than DJ White? He got the exact same statline that Tyrus had last year (White being slightly better). And they the same age. And he’s been playing less years than Tyrus. So Im asking, what does Tyrus do so much better than White other than Jump?

by focuslja on Jan 6, 2012 1:02 AM EST up reply actions  

It's not fair to say Thomas is the better player

Based solely on a hunch that he has more “potential”… And when White is actually getting it done.

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by southtunnel on Jan 6, 2012 8:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

He is a better defender and much better shotblocker

But White is definitely superior on the offensive end.

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by Bring Back Primoz on Jan 6, 2012 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

White held down Amare pretty well

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by southtunnel on Jan 6, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Mullens was on him most of the game, not to mention Amare just threw up jumpers.

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by FirstCat on Jan 6, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Not to mention

Amare was 10-19 from the field for 25 pts and 12 boards. Bosh abused him too. I think White has slimmed down a little too much personally.

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by Bring Back Primoz on Jan 6, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

What professional said Thomas is better than White?

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by southtunnel on Jan 6, 2012 9:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

You continue to call "potential" and "ceiling" crap

except for when it applies to Terrence Williams are any of those other lames you’re constantly bringing up. What White does and is superior at compared to Tyrus is playing within himself. If Tyrus was as focused or game savvy as White was, he could be one of the best PFs in the NBA. He’s not though. It’s a question of if he ever gets his head on straight which I have drastically lost faith in. But if you can’t see how Tyrus is superior to DJ then you are blind. He’s a helluva lot more athletic. But you know that yourself.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 6, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: BIYOMBO didn't get enough minutes.

Silas has to juggle winning games and cultivating his young talent. In a situation where he has a chance to win this one, I don’t fault him in the slightest for not sticking BIIYOMBO out there when Diaw and Mullens were not only holding their own, but were producing in bucket loads. “Going with the hot hand” is what Silas did, and unfortunately for BIYOMBO that means he couldn’t get on the floor.

by Panthers FTW on Jan 5, 2012 11:09 AM EST reply actions  

Minutes will only get more scarce with Thomas back

Luckily for Bismack though… Thomas will probably just get injured again.

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by southtunnel on Jan 5, 2012 11:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Bismack will get his time.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 5, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

From Hollinger chat:
Connor (Raleigh)
Have you seen Bismack Biyombo play yet? His offense looks more advanced than I thought it would be at this point, your opinion?

John Hollinger (12:28 PM)
I saw him play extensively at last year’s Nike Hoop Summit; this is about what I expected. He can do some things around the basket but he can’t shoot at all.

by Panthers FTW on Jan 5, 2012 12:33 PM EST reply actions  

Greg (Florida)
Are the Bobcats better off than they were at this point a season ago?

John Hollinger (12:57 PM)
Yes, because they finally started the rebuilding process instead of important more veterans and contracts. Kemba, Biyombo, White, Mullens — they have some nice pieces already.

by Panthers FTW on Jan 5, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Props from Hollinger.

You damn right. Time to stop shi**ing on Charlotte old man.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 5, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Hahaha Sac-town!!!!

Looks like your problem child just ran your coach right outta town. Bye Westpaul.

Good luck finding some sucker to come clean up the feces flying around there! When prima-donna players are more important than your organization….this happens….

by mives36 on Jan 5, 2012 5:42 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

OT

Watching Lakers vs Blazers…..man i miss GW…he is thriving in his new Portland enviroment

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by MMA_PITBULL on Jan 6, 2012 12:27 AM EST reply actions  

Speaking of Over Time (I know you meant "Off Topic," but still...)

I saw the Hawks and Heat went into triple over time, and Atlanta just ran out of gas in the final overtime period (zero points by Atlanta in the last five minutes). Hopefully, they’ll be nice and exhausted for tomorrow’s game. Every little bit helps!

Looking at Wallace’s #s in the box score…he’s definitely still doing his thing. I’ll always be a fan.

Newton for '11 ROY! (Update: Etch it in stone)
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for DPOY!

by Newsinz on Jan 6, 2012 1:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Anybody know

what we are going to do now that Maggette is gonna be out? I mean Derrick Brown is the only SF we have other than Diaw and I think Diaw’s SF days are long gone. So are we allowed to make a small signing? Maybe a 10 day contract or something?

by focuslja on Jan 6, 2012 1:41 AM EST reply actions  

trade for gforce

Boone Logan is a good boy. So is David Robertson. Team A.J.

by goyanks69 on Jan 6, 2012 1:43 AM EST up reply actions  

anyone else?

j/k. He isnt coming back as long as Higgins is here. Plus we have nothing to give. I was thinking a d-leaguer or Nachbar/Moon (lol). Hey may as well.

by focuslja on Jan 6, 2012 1:52 AM EST up reply actions  

it was a tongue-in-cheek suggestion

albeit one that i wish could happen

Boone Logan is a good boy. So is David Robertson. Team A.J.

by goyanks69 on Jan 6, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

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