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Who To Start?

With this roster, the Bobcats starting lineup will never find a group of five guys that will win many games. However, they can find a handful that can at least compete on a nightly basis and play together well.

That lineup is not Kemba Walker, Matt Carroll, Derrick Brown, Tyrus Thomas and Byron Mullens, as we have seen.

So who is it?

Let's take a look at the point guard first. Right now D.J. Augustin is injured so Walker is obviously the de facto starting PG. Kemba may have just gotten a triple-double, but I certainly can't deem him the best point guard on this team by any measure, especially with Augustin's improvement up to the point before he injured his toe. Augustin has proved to be a better passer than he's ever shown in the past and with worse talent than in any of Bobcats squads he's been a part of in his career. Since his rookie season when he was relied upon as the scoring 6th man, Augustin has raised his AST% from 22.6 to 35.4 percent. He reads pick and rolls better than I've seen from him before. But this isn't an Augustin praise fest. He has his flaws. His shooting is hardly picture-perfect, hovering around 41 percent. It's even worse when you look at his spot-up stats: 29.8 percent (per mysynergystats.com). But he's scoring well on the pick and roll and ranks eighth overall as a scorer in the pick and roll as a ballhandler, where he makes half of his shots. Augustin also is one of the better guards at controlling the ball. Right now he's turning the ball over only two and a half times each game, but I'd expect regression back to the mean when he returns.

Star-divide

Now, for the rest of the lineup, I'd stress a more flexible lineup that changes depending on the matchups. When the Bobcats face bigger, stronger small forwards, I'd keep Gerald Henderson at the two. When it's manageable for Henderson to defend and face the SF on offense, I'd put Walker at the two.

Positions aren't definitive categories that players must abide by and as we've seen, D.J. and Kemba can split the point guard duties. Regardless, Kemba's abilities are much needed on offense, as inefficient and inconsistent a scorer he's looked to be. Plus it gives him a plethora of time to learn the game, which he desperately needs. You'd think shooting the basketball was going out of vogue the way he plays sometimes. Much of the time I look at him on offense and wonder why he takes so many shots. And then I see everyone else just standing around on offense and I'm like, "oh, that's one reason." Still, the man takes a bunch of shots. No one can dispute this. Also, with Augustin reportedly available for the right price, this allows him to showcase his skills to hopefully gain a good return, if the Bobcats are to trade him.

Henderson is not the best matchup at small forward because of his size. He's even an inch undersized at shooting guard (OMG WTF TRADE HIM), but his defense allows him to play past his height. He's tough and has great hands and quickness. I wouldn't want to see him matched up defensively on LeBron, but he can handle some of the other small forwards in the league. Offensively, he's taken to driving to the hoop more than ever, getting past the slower SFs and finishing at the rim or drawing contact and going to the charity stripe more often. Once Corey Maggette returns, Henderson will likely return to shooting guard.

As for the power forward and center, I was not too confident on who I wanted starting in the frontcourt. But after talking to Josh some, we both agreed that we wanted to see a Bismack Biyombo-Boris Diaw PF-C combo.

Offensively, there's no difference in role for Biyombo between playing power forward and center. He'd play some pick and roll like he has been, but mostly stick to the block for post-ups. Diaw would do Diaw things, stretching the defense. The reason I want Diaw in there is for helping Biyombo get easy buckets. Last year we saw Diaw completely open up the offense for Kwame Brown. Diaw opened up the paint, creating space and would then dish to Brown. He can do the same with Biyombo.

Defensively, Diaw is just better in the post right now. He doesn't foul much and has very good positioning. Biyombo fouls much more as he learns game by game. That said, Bismack is a force on help defense and is very quick. His hands are quick to create turnovers and defend shots. Also, we wouldn't want Biyombo getting too overwhelmed moving from -378.29 minutes/game to a starting role as a rookie, so it may be a good idea to start him but limit his game time to 12-20 minutes. That way he gets good experience against good talent under his belt without asking too much of him too soon.

Yes, this is a greatly dysfunctional starting lineup. But the Bobcats already have a greatly dysfunctional roster. They should make some changes. They're already losing on average by double-digits every night. I say play around with the lineups some and get the young guys some burn against the tip-top competition. When Corey Maggette returns, the Bobcats can resume having a more conventional starting starting squad. But for now, there's not much conventional to put out on the court anyway. What's to lose?

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Babak

Boris annoys a lot of fans, but the simple fact is that since the start of the season there is a perfect correlation between Boris-played-well and Bobcats-played-well.

Bob Nelson
Calais, France

by Bob Nelson on Jan 30, 2012 10:21 PM EST reply actions  

I think that's why he annoys a lot of fans

The Boris-played-wells don’t happen as frequent as we’d like. And it’s frustrating seeing him disappear for games at a time when we all know he’s a triple double threat whenever he actually feels like playing hard.

by JDeLong42 on Jan 30, 2012 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't envy Silas... but...

I don’t know what the “right method” might be to keep Boris playing his best… but it was pretty obvious that benching him wasn’t going to succeed.

Boris probably knows the game as well as Silas does. He knows that there aren’t many other high-basketball-IQ players on the squad, so if Silas doesn’t insist on movement it isn’t going to happen and he won’t be able to do his best.

Bob Nelson
Calais, France

by Bob Nelson on Jan 31, 2012 1:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm confused.

Do you think Silas encourages Walker to put the ball up or drive into a crowded lane every time he touches the ball? How does one “insist” on others to behave in a certain way? Spank them? Fine them from their piggy bank? If the players won’t listen, it won’t matter what anybody “insists” on.

Personal attacks are the weapon of the ignorant.

Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!

by MichaelProcton on Jan 31, 2012 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed.

Personal attacks are the weapon of the ignorant.

Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!

by MichaelProcton on Jan 31, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I dig the idea.

Does R-Will fit in anywhere as a possible starter in a bit?

And I agree with your Diaw/Biz idea. One problem…when Boris has one of his “bagel” nights, that will severely negatively effect Biz’s play and learning progression for that evening. Gotta hope Diaw comes out to play more often than not.

I would be fine with Biz starting at the 4/5 and trying guys like Mullens or DJ White paired up too. I think both those guys can help balance the Biz.

by mives36 on Jan 30, 2012 10:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I dont agree that

Diaw can affect BB’s growth. I dont think any one player can affect another players growth. But I will say this. Diaw starting at the 3 or 4 is probably our best bet until the others return. Kemba, Carroll, Brown, Boris, Mullens…The Bench would be Kemba (sorry Kemba although its a heavy load, it also gives you some in game experience) Higgins, Brown, Tyrus, BB…Now this lineup sucks but hey this is another perfect opportunity to get Kemba some “take over the game” time. Tyrus is needs to step up on the offensive end. And if he cant, then he shouldnt be a Bobcat much longer. Higgins can at least shoot somewhat. So this lineup would basically be a time period for the starters to rest and get back on the court.

And yes, Williams can start but I wouldnt do it until about a week or two after he returns.

by focuslja on Jan 31, 2012 8:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't see where Williams is the best option at any position.

Personal attacks are the weapon of the ignorant.

Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!

by MichaelProcton on Jan 31, 2012 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

With the current available guys, I'd go with

Walker
Hendo
Thomas
White
Diop…lolz, ok seriously → Biyombo

2nd string:
Higgins
Carroll
Brown
Diaw
Mullens

"People are gonna respect the Panthers, and I want what I do as a quarterback to be scary. I want people to be in fear. I want it, and I’m gonna get it."
- Carolina Panthers Franchise Quarterback

by Newsinz on Jan 30, 2012 11:04 PM EST reply actions  

No more Tyrus at SF!

Follow me on Twitter.
https://twitter.com/#!/RoflConnor

by Panthers FTW on Jan 31, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Please help with my ignorance

What significance does this player who only played 78 total minutes with the team over 7 years ago have?

by JDeLong42 on Jan 30, 2012 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

lol...all you need to know is

Autographed Tamar Slay jersey >>> Hendo & Augustin's trade value combined

"People are gonna respect the Panthers, and I want what I do as a quarterback to be scary. I want people to be in fear. I want it, and I’m gonna get it."
- Carolina Panthers Franchise Quarterback

by Newsinz on Jan 30, 2012 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

We were joking about him earlier.

Then Michael Procton began to argue that he is currently a better player in Europe than Biyombo was during his time in Spain. Needless to say, Tamar Slay is just another foil for circular arguments about the philosophy of scouting, drafting, developing, and effectively using basketball players.

by Aisander D on Jan 30, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't really "begin to argue" anything.

I simply stated that his current numbers as a washed-up never-was are better than Biyombo or Ajinca ever produced. That is a true fact.

Personal attacks are the weapon of the ignorant.

Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!

by MichaelProcton on Jan 31, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Excuse me,

but the stating of facts that contradict what others are saying typically symbolizes the beginning of an “argument”, or a verbal (in this case written) disagreement in which facts are used as a basis for conducting a point-counterpoint debate.

You stated a fact, and it was up to me or one of my fellow commenters to then rebut your statement. I chose to LOL and not waste precious time on Tamar Slay. Especially when there was so much work to be done finding Diop’s career splits to try to prove he’s worth a damn. No such luck.

by Aisander D on Jan 31, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I was thinking more like:

“I was this close to winning that last scrimmage.”

Reporter: “Against which one of your guys, Michael?”

Jordan (after a few blinks and a blank stare): “…against the starting five.”

"People are gonna respect the Panthers, and I want what I do as a quarterback to be scary. I want people to be in fear. I want it, and I’m gonna get it."
- Carolina Panthers Franchise Quarterback

by Newsinz on Jan 31, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

who shud i start?

1st unit.
Walker – 1/2
Hendo – 2/3
White – 3/4
Mullens – 4/5
Biyombo – 4/5

  • all players can play two positions. ex. biyombo, mullens – PF/C. average “d” and good “o”.

2nd unit.

DJ (if healthy) – Hggins – 1
matt – 2
tyrus – 3
Diaw – 4
Diop – 5

  • except for diop – all can play 2 diff positions. this unit can add stability and “d” (who am i kidding). Wishful.

Over all – with good players to add and a very good coach and staff (take for instance Jerry Sloan? – please! dont wake me up on this!) the rebuilding process will come to a close..

The ball is round so is the rim and the world. anything can happen if you play hard.

by tanduay5years on Jan 31, 2012 2:52 AM EST reply actions  

LOL...opposing wing players would be SALIVATING about the notion of White and Mullens at 3/4.

Personal attacks are the weapon of the ignorant.

Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!

by MichaelProcton on Jan 31, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

we still havent seen it yet. on any case any change is better than "LOL"..

The ball is round so is the rim and the world. anything can happen if you play hard.

by tanduay5years on Jan 31, 2012 11:24 PM EST up reply actions  

forgot 2 players

2nd unit.

DJ (if healthy) – Hggins – 1
magette– 2
reggie – 3
tyrus – 4
Diaw – 5

The ball is round so is the rim and the world. anything can happen if you play hard.

by tanduay5years on Jan 31, 2012 2:56 AM EST reply actions  

Love the article and love rufusonfire..

started hanging here 2 weeks ago.. and not a day goes by hoping for a new article…. Better than porn!

The ball is round so is the rim and the world. anything can happen if you play hard.

by tanduay5years on Jan 31, 2012 3:00 AM EST reply actions  

Welp, this is going right on the refrigerator haha
Better than porn!

Lemonade was a popular drink and it still is,
I get more props and stunts than Bruce Willis
- Guru, of Gangstarr

by Ben Swanson on Jan 31, 2012 4:06 AM EST up reply actions  

You forgot to add "paysite" to that porn comment.

This site most closely resembles some weird tantric S&M site. Prepare for an assault on the senses!

by Aisander D on Jan 31, 2012 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

If you only started hanging here two weeks ago

you missed our calendar spread. It combines the best of RoF with porn. Sadly, there aren’t many women that frequent this site (none that I know of, anyway) so the calendar ended up being all men. Each day had a quote from that month’s leading man. For example, Andrew Lail was the man in the buff for July. If you look on down at July 8, his quote is, “Wait for it.” Then at July 30, he says, “Primoz Brevec was my favorite Bobcat player of all time.”

Nowhere else can you get the amazing insights offered by such brilliant basketball minds combined with the nudity offered in a porn site. You think porn is good? You think RoF is better than porn? Well, combine the two and you get the simple elegance that is the RoF porn calendar! Order one now and you get a free GOP.

by Tim Rudisill on Jan 31, 2012 4:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Also, that picture of MJ above?

well, you get the idea…

Lemonade was a popular drink and it still is,
I get more props and stunts than Bruce Willis
- Guru, of Gangstarr

by Ben Swanson on Jan 31, 2012 5:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I think that girl dancing in the backyard is interested.

"People are gonna respect the Panthers, and I want what I do as a quarterback to be scary. I want people to be in fear. I want it, and I’m gonna get it."
- Carolina Panthers Franchise Quarterback

by Newsinz on Jan 31, 2012 9:36 AM EST up reply actions  

She does look like she’d be very active

Michael Procton

by Aisander D on Jan 31, 2012 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

focus decided

to substitute a naked T-Will for his own picture

by adamcawa on Jan 31, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

good advice LOL - learn alot from here..

The ball is round so is the rim and the world. anything can happen if you play hard.

by tanduay5years on Jan 31, 2012 4:47 AM EST reply actions  

after the other come back i'd say

Kemba
Hendo
Brown
Diaw
Mullens

then the bench would be

DJ
Higgins
Williams
White
BB or Diop (either one)

by focuslja on Jan 31, 2012 8:42 AM EST reply actions  

i'd say....

Terrico White
T-Will
T-Will
Chuck Hayes
Shaq (bring him out of retirement)

This, of course, is after we trade the whole roster.

by Aisander D on Jan 31, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

No roster is complete without the help of Stephen Graham.

"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."

by FirstCat on Jan 31, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd say REALISTICALLY (w/o draft pick)

Kemba
Hendo
Reggie Will
Mullens
Mozgov

Dragic
Morrow
TWill
Anthony Randolph or Jason Thompson
Lopez

by focuslja on Jan 31, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

No he didn't.

Those lineups just have five better post players.

Personal attacks are the weapon of the ignorant.

Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!

by MichaelProcton on Jan 31, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought you made the point

That it’d be a mistake to give up on him too quick

by JDeLong42 on Jan 31, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I did?

I gotta stop takin' my baths durin' Peter's shenanigans.

by MichaelProcton on Feb 1, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

You provided several examples

Of players not doing much until they went on to other teams. Showing that it takes some players a good bit of time to blossom, and Biyombo is no different. If we don’t want him going on to another team to do what we wanted him to do, we should be patient with him.

by JDeLong42 on Feb 2, 2012 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

That was NOT my point.

My point was that it is not smart to draft players who aren’t close to ready to contribute, because even if they do, they’ll be tired of failing for the same team they’ve always been on.

I gotta stop takin' my baths durin' Peter's shenanigans.

by MichaelProcton on Feb 2, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions  

when all players are healthy

DJ
Hendo
Maggette
Diaw
Biz/Diop

Kemba
Reggie
Tyrus
White
Mullens

by adamcawa on Jan 31, 2012 10:00 AM EST reply actions  

I'm not sure, but I certainly smell what you're stepping in...

HAI MJ PLZ SIGN CAM FOR SF

Lemonade was a popular drink and it still is,
I get more props and stunts than Bruce Willis
- Guru, of Gangstarr

by Ben Swanson on Jan 31, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

only to watch

the other teams guys do his pose

"..and we have scott may coming back this season.." bob johnson quote before the start of 07-08 season, when he didnt even know his own players name.

by bobcatsbrendan on Jan 31, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

It depends on whether it fits his priority of being an "icon slash entertainer" to the fullest on a given night.

Personal attacks are the weapon of the ignorant.

Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!

by MichaelProcton on Jan 31, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

You are wrong about Cam sir!

it’s “global media icon slash entertainer slash cult of personality slash international pop sensation (album forthcoming).”

by Aisander D on Jan 31, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I try not to read between the lines too much.

I take public figures at their word.

I gotta stop takin' my baths durin' Peter's shenanigans.

by MichaelProcton on Feb 1, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

start these 5

boris, biyombo, williams, henderson, walker

next 5 : mullens, white, thomas, carroll, higgy

trade augustin for r lopez, let boris, najera and white walk for cap savings at end of season
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6jszxxx

"..and we have scott may coming back this season.." bob johnson quote before the start of 07-08 season, when he didnt even know his own players name.

by bobcatsbrendan on Jan 31, 2012 3:25 PM EST reply actions  

Get Morrow...

and we’ll have at least a decent backup SG. And let Mullens start. Put White and BB together. Let Brown play SF.

by focuslja on Jan 31, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Walker is a decent backup SG.

Kind of like Ben Gordon.

Personal attacks are the weapon of the ignorant.

Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!

by MichaelProcton on Jan 31, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Trade Augustin for Robin Lopez?

I’ll take strike one willingly. Are you fucking serious?

Personal attacks are the weapon of the ignorant.

Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!

by MichaelProcton on Jan 31, 2012 10:35 PM EST up reply actions  

next year

trade magette for

"..and we have scott may coming back this season.." bob johnson quote before the start of 07-08 season, when he didnt even know his own players name.

by bobcatsbrendan on Jan 31, 2012 3:26 PM EST reply actions  

anything

anything at all in the whole wide world

"..and we have scott may coming back this season.." bob johnson quote before the start of 07-08 season, when he didnt even know his own players name.

by bobcatsbrendan on Jan 31, 2012 3:26 PM EST reply actions  

Works for me

Im sorry. I doubt we get anything back for Maggette next year. Hopefully someone see’s some interest in Tyrus SOON. PLEASE GET HIM OFF MY TEAM CHO!!!

by focuslja on Jan 31, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

You know you suck

when NO TEAM IN THE LEAGUE WILL TAKE YOU!!! Oh how things wouldve been different if we just let NJ overpay for him. Jeez. For Tyrus I’ll take

Drew Gooden
Udrih
Fransisco Garcia
CHARLIE V (please make this happen)
Amir Johnson
Channing Frye
Jason Maxiell
Al Harrington
Chris Anderson

Please Cho. They all can do more than TYRUS. Give me 10pts and 6rebs consistently. Dont get me wrong. TT stats this year isnt far from that but dang. He stinks. I hate the way he plays. He has NO SKILLSET whatsoever. He’s a player you just throw on the court and hope something good comes out of it (Derrick Brown). GET OUT OF HERE!!!!

by focuslja on Jan 31, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

and move dijon mustard that same year

for a medium tub of gameday popcorn and a scratch off ticket

"..and we have scott may coming back this season.." bob johnson quote before the start of 07-08 season, when he didnt even know his own players name.

by bobcatsbrendan on Jan 31, 2012 3:27 PM EST reply actions  

Not sure what you're implying about "regression to the mean" with Augustin's TOs.

He was only at 1.9/gm. last year in similar minutes with a similar assist rate.

Personal attacks are the weapon of the ignorant.

Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!

by MichaelProcton on Jan 31, 2012 10:35 PM EST reply actions  

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