Bobcats Flattened in Philadelphia, Lose to Sixers 89-72
Dear Mitch, if you're holding this letter, you already know. The house has been boarded up; the windows, the doors, everything. We're at the Comfort Inn room 112. I love you, Frank.
You know it by now. You and I both now what this is. This Bobcats season has quickly and forcefully turned into a nightmarish goulash of injuries, lack of talent, too many games in too few nights and plain old bad basketball that is quite frankly hard to watch. I'm not trying to sugar coat things, it's bad. But we knew this was coming. I didn't expect it to come this fast and with the dead thud of a Cory Higgins three-pointer (I kid), but it's here. You better believe it, and it might be here to stay this season. I would still like to see this team at "full strength," but how much better is that going to be for this franchise? The Bobcats do have a plan, and we knew going into the season they wanted no part of the middle. Michael Jordan and Rich Cho want to be at the top or at the bottom. The top is pretty occupied right now, soooooooo...
First Quarter: I suppose it's an encouraging sign that Gerald Henderson fought through his pain to start this game for the Bobcats. I can't imagine Henderson was 100%, but he was moving pretty well. The Bobcats jumped out to the wrong end of a 14-3 lead in the first five minutes of the game. Philadelphia is a very good defensive team (ranking first in defensive efficiency in the league according to HoopData.com) and it certainly did nothing to tarnish that reputation against the Bobcats. Of course, Charlotte's combined lack of spacing, inability to penetrate the lane, and general hesitation on offense certainly played right into the 76ers' hands.
Two very telling sequences to me in the first period occurred when Boris Diaw and then Kemba Walker both passed up open jump shots in favor of a pass and dribble drive respectively. The play ended up with Walker passing out of a double team near the corner to an open, but still moving Tyrus Thomas who took a jump shot before he was square. It didn't go in. Diaw really should have shot it and Walker, certainly not shy, had a decent look too but at the very least needed to see a step ahead and avoid that trap. I know, it's a lot to ask of the young rookie but that's what needed to happen. The other possession that looked alarming featured Diaw setting a solid, if sluggish, back screen for Thomas who then transitioned unimpeded across the lane in front of the rim. That transition should have been a flash, preferably with a hand up. No one trailed Thomas or even paid him attention. Which proved to be wise because Thomas never made himself available, nor did Walker ever see his teammate wide open next to the rim. If he did, it was a very discreet peak. It's easy to pick out random plays and criticize, but neither Bobcats player seemed to be aware of making an effort to take advantage. Plainly speaking they weren't playing basketball. It was an instant, and I'm not saying the pass was a guaranteed score, but it's something that you expect to see attempted by two very capable players. The Bobcats were freaking 4-18 in the first quarter for a whopping 10 points. Higgins, who subbed in for Walker with under 2:00 remaining, capped off the quarter by launching a shot put directly into the backboard from three. DeSagna Diop was 2-2.
Second Quarter: Matt Carroll hit his second three-pointer of the year to cut the lead to 10 about two minutes into the second quarter. The next time down Byron Mullens nailed a jumper to get the Bobcats within eight. The second unit, consisting of Higgins, Mullens, Matt Caroll, Derrick Brown along with starter Thomas at least made a push to cut into Philly's lead. As a matter of fact, every Bobcat had played by the 8:00 minute mark in the second quarter except for....can you guess? That's right, Bismack Biyombo! I'm not a basketball coach and whatever rotation the Cats are working with right now I'm sure is a result of...something, but not playing Biyombo continues to be a mystery to me. If the Bobcats were locking teams down (HAHAHAAAA) or even making it somewhat bothersome for opposing guards (forward and centers) to get to the rim I could understand not playing him. Well not really but I could accept it. They're not.
Biyombo finally entered (after another three-point play from Louis Williams) with a little more than seven minutes to go. And just like that he displayed why he wasn't in, and among other reasons, why I'm not a head coach. On the loosest defined pick-and-roll you'll ever see, Biyombo didn't rotate enough into position as Henderson was double-teamed in the corner. The result was a turnover that led to a fast break alley-oop by Thaddeus Young. The Bobcats continued to milk the shot clock before turning it over helping Philadelphia extend its lead to 21 with 4:48 to go. And that's when things really got bad. Paul Silas decided to give his son Stephen an early shot at head coach by apparently kicking the ball twice during a timeout and probably explaining to the officials just how nice the weather in Charlotte is this time of year. He was ejected. I can't blame him. I can't blame him for getting ejected, being frustrated or the product on the floor as of late. There isn't a coach in the league who would be able to do much more with this group right now. It didn't help that the Sixers were hitting from the outside. Charlotte was legitimately in danger of being down 30 at the half. Walker finally got a jumper to go down to cut the lead to 22 at intermission, 59-37.
Should we watch the second half? It's a question any sane person had to ask. Honestly, one game like this is bad. Two is horrible and three is downright disturbing but now it just feels like the same bloodletting has been going on for a week. What the hell....second half!
Third Quarter: I've made a huge mistake. This was quite possibly some of the worst basketball I've ever seen. Awful defense resulting in all five Charlotte players below the foul line left multiple Sixers wide open for an array of jump shots. With 7:41 remaining in the third, the Bobcats really made it seem like they wouldn't score ten points in the quarter. It's not like Philly was shooting the lights out, but with a damn twenty-point lead against this team who really cares. At one point Charlotte play-by-play man Steve Martin said "the door is open," and the lead was 18! And you know what? He was right! Anything under 20 points with this team right now somehow seems encouraging, how crazy is that? The Sixers' perimeter D just continued to stifle the Bobcats. There were no opportunities to take any Philadelphia player off the bounce. You can see why this team has been so effective stopping opponents this year. After cutting the lead to 16 (right!) seven straight points from Philly pushed the lead back to 23.
It's funny how short sequences in the middle of these debacles can really give you insight and maybe even some hope, but mostly just make you cry. Biyombo entered the game and immediately made plays on both ends, gathering a loose ball for a bucket, then blocking a Jrue Holiday jumper (really Jrue, I know you haven't seen a lot of him this year but you have to know that's a questionable shot) and sprinting the floor on the break, perfectly filling the lane and calling for the ball. On a capable team the big man gets rewarded with a feathery lob pass for an easy jam. On this team the break is ruined when Andre Iguodala takes as clean a handoff as you'll see outside of the Super Bowl and heads the other way. There was opportunity there for a good basketball play but just not the right people in the right place to make it.
Fourth Quarter: Eduardo Najera entered the game in the fourth. Really, I could describe the fourth quarter in this space but it would sound pretty much like the rest of this so I'll just save us both some time. It wasn't better, it wasn't any worse than the other three quarters. The Bobcats looked just as inept on both ends as they had since tipoff and somehow only lost by 17, 89-72. Ideally, Walker and Biyombo would have played the entire fourth quarter but they didn't. Biyombo, in fact, played less than every Bobcat not named Eduardo Najera. Najera played five minutes, Biyombo played 12 and Diop played 14. When it's this bad I don't get sticking with any game plan, particularly one that calls to sit a first round draft pick who needs minutes like fish need water. We all know Biyombo is a long way from polished, and I'm not trying to harp on this but for the love of all that is holy let him play. (Too much?)
Walker "led" Charlotte with 14 points on 5-14 shooting. He had just two assists but grabbed 8 boards. Curious, he's averaging more rebounds than assists. Not exactly what you want from your point guard but let's be honest, there's more opportunity to grab missed shots than to contribute to makes.
I'd play the rookies as much as possible; it seriously can't get any worse. I know the Bobcats have not really been at full strength all season but it's not like full strength is going to propel them into the playoffs. When Corey Maggette can't play and you're depending on him for points, that's going to hurt. It's also going to hurt when your starting point guard, and the closest thing this team has to a leader can't go, so missing D.J. Augustin is killing this team. Reggie Williams hasn't even dressed yet and D.J. White, the most consistent Cat his season, was out as well. For his part, Paul Silas knows this and his impressing that on his team. I commend him and the guys that are in there for fighting. It must be impossible to not get down, and anyone who has ever been on the receiving end of a beat down on the basketball court (*raises hand*) can tell you it's like a black hole. You feel like there is nowhere to go and it's never-ending.
The Bobcats, I'm sure, are trying to do as much as they can. And that goes too for the coaching staff and all involved but there is no escaping the fact that it's hard to point to a guy on this team who would start for a playoff team. Guys that aren't used to playing are playing a lot more.
Thankfully, this season is already a quarter of the way done. Hopefully it will be like ripping off a Band-Aid: short and as painless as possible with no lasting scars. The Bobcats need to cram these games into this season, get in and get out and gather as many Ping-Pong balls as they can along the way. I keep repeating this was and is part of the plan. You don't want to be in the middle, squeaking into the last spot in the playoffs each year and never threatening to win anything. You want to be at the top or you want to be at the very bottom. Mission accomplished.
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by Panthers FTW on Jan 28, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Matt Carroll, best playmaker on the floor.
But really. Wow.
I will also note that if avoiding scars is part of your agenda, playing Biyombo for more minutes than he is ready to handle is not the way to go.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 28, 2012 12:00 AM EST reply actions
Things can't get any uglier this year.
So what if we start to lose by 30 instead of 20? Does that really make a difference?
I don’t think so. I’m looking to the future. I want to see our young guys get the play they need to reach their potential. If Biyombo is not being played because he’ll make us lose by more now, I’d rather see him played now so that he can be great eventually.
by Tim Rudisill on Jan 28, 2012 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
It's not about the team, obviously.
It’s about destroying a player’s confidence and fundamentals because he simply doesn’t have the capacity to succeed with the tools he’s currently equipped with.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 28, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
I said this in the preseason
and was villified
a loss is a loss is a loss, may as well get the most out of our young guys, no matter how ugly it gets
there is a fine line, though, between working out kinks and hindering development
I am gonna say..
I just hope they know better than I. I hope Biyombo can be given more minutes as the season progresses, and as he gets used to the NBA game. We should see him get more minutes each time. But then again… I have no idea! haha
Let's Go Cats!!!
not a shocker imo
this is what happens if you have a lineup of talents that most likely could not start for any other team.
this season’s been over before it started imo. i would like to see more playing time from biyombo though. starting diaw or thomas ahead of biyombo won’t change the fate of our team this season… although i get that we want to build some value for diaw or thomas for trades, they are not helping themselves with their performances either.
before calling kemba or biyombo “busts” i would like to see more of them this season since we have not much to lose (zzzinggg)
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Walker has only gotten worse since we have "seen more of him" as the team's lead guard.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 28, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
Missing Assist Man
Finally! Someone admitted to it! Not having DJ Augustin is killing this team because as the article said he is about closest to a leader this team has. Everybody wants to trade DJ Augustin and give the keys to the kingdom to king Kemba, well I guess your seeing that Kemba is not a great distributor like DJ is. That old adage, be careful what you wish for applies. People wanted Kemba and you have him and you see he is possibly a Nate Robinson clone.
by jayo28262 on Jan 28, 2012 1:28 AM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
He has not been good..
but he’s definitely playing chess (chessboxing) with all pawns right now. Unfortunately.
He's also apparently never thought of a strategy where he didn't use his queen exclusively.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 28, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
I don't disagree that DJ is a better passer and a better player
but you look at the future of the franchise and how we aught to rebuild. there’s no argument that DJ is the better player right now, but he’s also had 3-4 years under his belt which helped him become a better decision maker and a passer.
DJ’s leadership didn’t come overnight either. Under Brown’s coaching, DJ was given the opportunity to start ahead of Felton, but with lack of leadership and his production during his second year, it was Felton’s team until his contract expired. You look at DJ’s production his first 2 seasons as a Bobcat, there was a reason he couldn’t start ahead of Felton those two seasons.
There are just so many things off about this team. so many missing pieces. There is no argument that DJ is a better player right now. But what happens if we resign DJ? We can’t keep two undersized guards…and honestly, if DJ wowed the fans with his plays this season, we wouldn’t have an argument to keep DJ or resign him. Resigning DJ will only keep this team from getting the other missing pieces. We simply need help, and PG position is not the priority right now. To me, DJ simply is not worth the money that he will be asking for this season.
Trust me, the promised land is near. We will have a lot of cap space when this season’s over. We will draft a great young forward or maybe a big man, the rooks will get better, and we will have a much better season. Resigning Hendo was a step into the right direction for this franchise imo.
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and please don't start another Felton vs Augustin argument here
I know who you are… but if you insist, I’ve got the stats ready so come at me, brah.
but in all seriousness, I would be surprised if DJ was resigned this season.
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Wow...you read my mind.
I was literally typing up a mini-rebuttal when you posted this. Oh well; not gonna let these last 10 minutes of research go to waste:
Augustin received 12 starts in his rookie season (mostly out of position at the 2). 17.8 ppg, 5.6 apg. Felton had 81 starts that same year: 14.2 ppg, 6.7 apg. But this isn’t even about Felton. All I am saying is that DJ had more than enough production in the starting lineup, but it wasn’t good enough for Coach Brown.
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by Newsinz on Jan 28, 2012 3:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
he did show some promise his rookie year
but he did not outperform felton by any means. he avg 26.5min per game w 3.5 assists and 11.8 ppg his rookie year, which certainly was not stellar statiscally. also if you compare defense, felton was a defensive presense compared to dj. and lets not even talk about his 2nd year… all im saying is dj didnt get to where he is now overnight. and even with his performance this season i doubt that it is enough to resign him
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No arguments on defense.
That was easily Felton’s strongest suit.
And I will also concede that Augustin is much better now than when he started in the league (although he never matched the assassin’s touch he had from beyond the arc during his rookie season).
My biggest concern now is: we trade DJ, and then – what – wait three or four seasons for Walker to get where DJ already is now? Is his learning curve not as steep? I haven’t seen anything from Walker to indicate as much lately.
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by Newsinz on Jan 28, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's not even the same learning curve.
Walker is far behind what Augustin was terms of PG skill-set and mentality.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 28, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
But Augustin as a rookie was miles ahead of Walker as a POINT GUARD.
And long-term, POINT GUARD is the only position either of them can play on a contending team.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 28, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
John Hollinger on Felton last night:
Nash is carving up the Blazer defense. Felton is carving up the Blazer offense.
Felton checks in, commits fourth turnover. Blazer brass furiously hitting “Ctrl-Z” on Miller trade.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 28, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
No, Augustin was NEVER given a chance to start ahead of Felton.
Brown basically lusted after Felton every chance he got despite his awful shot selection, decision-making, and end-game play. Brown said that Felton’s “heart” was all he’d ever need to display. We absolutely can’t keep two undersized guards…so why would we keep the inferior one with no skills whatsoever to play PG?
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 28, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
WIN AS ONE !
Revenge tonight vs. the Wizards !
by chris in union county on Jan 28, 2012 1:45 AM EST reply actions
D league
Bismack and walker should be shipped to the D league whc is where they can get minutes . W walker at the point, this team will never be competitive in the least. Hes not close to being the pt gd dj is now. Hes better either playing in spurts or shipping him out.
by Louis tape on Jan 28, 2012 5:34 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
You are correct that Walker isn't the PG that DJ is right now.
But I don’t think that shipping him to the D League will help. He rocked against college. What he really needs is to adjust to the new difficulty level the NBA imposes. He can only do that by getting to play against NBA players.
by Tim Rudisill on Jan 28, 2012 7:15 AM EST up reply actions
I disagree
but for a different reason. He does need experience, yes, but TTime is proof that playing time does not guarantee improvement. What he needs is to be taught/coached by someone with vision. I’m sure DJ isn’t interested in helping him develop as he’d have to play against him at some point in the future. Its the same reason we miss Oakley right now, he helped make Diop and K. Brown better through teaching. With Oakley gone, look at how all of our towers are doing, faltering.
Kemba needs to be mentored. Otherwise, its going to take more than a few years to pick up his game. He may end up like Tyrus, but lets hope not. Its still too early to predict that.
"Rocked?"
Not really. Not as a point guard. He threw up a bunch of shots and used his superior athleticism to get to the basket at the college level. But he never showed an ability to facilitate or make his teammates, as a PG must do.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 28, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
PG'S
We need a veteran pg who wont demand many minutes but could also help groom Kemba or a assistant that was a pg. We all know Kemba is a scoring pg, but so is DJ. In college, Kemba last year he had to carry the scoring load, the year before that he was coming off the bench as a scorer. So expecting him to come in be a pure pg is ridiculous. DJ had Durant,Damian James, Pittman, AJ Abrams in college who were all scorers. DJ had to distribute the ball so he understands the pg postion a lil better plus he had a coach that taught him how to play the point (Brown). Even though Brown was hard on him, I think some of Brown teaching has help DJ to become a better PG.
by RIGHTEOUSWRONG on Jan 28, 2012 11:22 AM EST reply actions
I agree 100%. We should re-hire Larry Brown to teach Kemba.
Seriously though, is there an assistant coach we could hire specifically to help develop Kemba?
by Tim Rudisill on Jan 28, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
If a guy needs a personal, individual coach to get his play at his position the NBA level to reach adequacy...
He probably shouldn’t have been the #9 pick.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 28, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
I think I just said all this
in my post right above yours, just with less wording. :p
Yeah
It could be good and bad. Brown is good at teaching. With a player of Kemba talents, Brown could make him into a complete pg and a all star. But Brown would probably prefer to bring in veterans and trade the whole team. LOL I think a good assistant would be Eric Snow, Mo Cheeks, Kenny Smith, Gary Payton
by RIGHTEOUSWRONG on Jan 28, 2012 11:35 AM EST reply actions
Brown is a teacher
but he’s also incredibly stern in his teaching. He doesn’t allow much flex even when the system he’s using isn’t working. He still rails that the cogs aren’t spinning the right way and that’s why it doesn’t work. Silas is the polar opposite IMO. He is/was a great motivator but not a good teacher. He can push players beyond what they’re playing at but you only see that benefit if the players are already playing well and just need a proper nudge.
Really, we might just be missing the fundamentals. A good portion of our guys lose the ball while dribbling, make errant passes, and are horrible at blocking out. These are basics that should have been covered back in middle/high school. We wont win a ton more, but our losses wont be total slaughterfests if we can fix these.
If you think Paul Silas--one of the best fundamental players the NBA has ever seen--isn't trying to teach fundamentals, you're crazy.
But the best coach in the world cannot work with pupils unwilling or unable to integrate and apply their lessons. Do you think he encourages Walker to make one-on-four transition drives? Do you think he supports his contested deep jumpers? No. In fact, he noted after a game recently how ridiculous it was for shots like that to be going up when nobody but the shooter was on the offensive end of the court.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 28, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
NFL coaches get to be authority figures in a way that far surpasses NBA coaches.
An NBA executive I know says coaches in this league do their jobs at the players’ permission. I think that’s some of what Silas was feeling Thursday. Someone who’s been through all he has is a great resource, but only to the extent players have the wisdom and drive to tap in.
“You have to want to be the best possible player you can be, and you just don’t see that a lot anymore,” said Silas, describing the league, not just the Bobcats. "You ask guys sometimes, ‘Do you want to be an All-Star?’ And they say, ‘Oh….maybe.’ It’s not ingrained in them.
—Bonnell
Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/01/28/2967809/players-drive-to-compete-lost.html#storylink=cpy
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 28, 2012 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
"Good at teaching?"
Please name me a single young player who produced under Brown whose name is not Allen Iverson.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 28, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously Folks
If we are rebuilding, and we are trying to build chemistry why do we have to trade DJ Augustin, because of the possibility Kemba Walker may be better than DJ? Well we can keep both and let Kemba come off the bench until that time comes if it ever does. If it doesn’t then DJ is the starter and Kemba comes off the bench and that creates depth which is what good teams try to have at every position. I can’t see why DJ needs to be traded, because he is not popular with the fans? The NBA is not a popularity contest and that is what gets coaches fired. The Bobcats can keep Augustin and build chemistry for once instead of just trading it away.
by jayo28262 on Jan 28, 2012 12:08 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
its certainly possible that we could keep him
but the biggest factor is that the bobcats want draft picks and he’s currently our best asset to gain picks. Either that or as a piece in a 3-4 team trade to get a bigger fish. The biggest concern with keeping him is the salary he is going to ask for. The idea is that Kemba will have to start sooner or later so they do not want to overpay(our current issue, ie Tyrus, Diop, Najera, Carroll, Diaw) for a player who is not set to be the starter of the future.
Kemba does not "have to start."
If he does not merit that given his ability and production at his NBA position (POINT guard), he should not become a starter. Just like Tyrus Thomas rarely has been. Just like Alexis Ajinca never did. At some point, one’s pedigree is irrelevant.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 28, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
dont be naive MP
Just to point out, you didn’t even address what my post focused on. Also, you’re fairly naive if you think the Bobcats used a top draft pick to solidify their bench. I never said he had to start, but that is what their plan is. Its painfully obvious what they are planning for Kemba. So disagree all you want, its irrelevant.
Your post focused on the fact that Walker's role as a starter was inevitable.
But I’m confused as to what you think the plan for most draft picks is. Don’t you think it was painfully obvious that Detroit planned for Darko to start? Or Ben Gordon with the Bulls? The Hawks with Shelden Williams? Plans don’t matter if your players don’t meet them.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 28, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
We're rebuilding and working toward the draft of 2012
I think we’re going to lose anyways, just let the guys of the “future” play. That means Kemba, Henderson, D. Brown, Tyrus and Biyombo. Everyone of those guys listed needs work, having them coming off the bench for a losing team isn’t really productive. Kemba is learning how to be a point gurad, Tyrus is learning how to be a true big man, Biyombo needs to learn some offensive moves and how to be a pro player in this league, with all that said, we played Kemba at the SG position when DJ was active, we play Tyrus at the SF position, and Biyombo doesn’t even play in some of the games! Why?
Kemba should NEVER, try to play SG in this league, Tyrus should NEVER be postioned anywhere near the three point line again, Biyombo should NEVER have to wait until the 2nd quarter to get any minutes with this team. We are not developing anybody properly for this team except Henderson who Jordan has taken a personal liking to, and truth is, Henderson is a solid player who is not a true first, or even second scoring option for a winning team.
We (imo) made a huge mistake drafting Kemba, we needed a point guard and what did we do? We drafted a 6’1 (with shoes on) shooting guard who is trying to learn on the fly to be a point guard, we already have a pg who is 6’0 (with shoes on) and he was a true pg in college. We dont need to keep DJ along stealing minutes from Kemba, besides they both play the same type of game, they both shoot first, shoot alot, and aren’t great defenders or playmakers, so let’s let Kemba do his thing.
Tyrus and Biyombo have the most upside on this team, Tyrus should’ve been told to bulk up over the summer and work on his post game, instead, he comes back 15 pounds lighter playing part time SF, smh. He should be getting around 10 shots a game all around the rim, when he gets the ball on the block and faces the rim, he has a nice shot and his game has improved, when he gets the ball 17 feet from the rim and tries his T-Mac impersonation, it is as one board member wrote, " he looks like a baby giraffe trying to dribble".
We need to develope these players the right way, coaches are supposed to teach the players the game the right way, put players in position to be effective, and I don’t see this. This team is regressing, and I think it’s because Jordan wants this team to stink. I know DJ White is hurt, and Mullens hasn’t been playing as well, but this team has talent, but we can’t go on playing these guys out of position so that we give ourselves mismatches and a lesser chance of winning.
We dont need to keep DJ along stealing minutes from Kemba, besides they both play the same type of game, they both shoot first, shoot alot, and aren’t great defenders or playmakers, so let’s let Kemba do his thing.
Umm…what? Their games aren’t similar at all. Augustin looks to shoot off of screens and curls, not out of isos against tough defense. And he also looks to distribute, consistently making solid decisions. That’s how he’s managed to rank near the top of the league in A:TO ratio the last two years despite having a bad team around him. Walker, however, struggles to get more assists than he has turnovers.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 28, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
I was thinking yesterday Larry Brown would probably be a good thing for Kemba.
That’s not a good enough reason for me to ever wish the hell that was Larry Brown upon this team.
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Larry simply cannot play 2nd fiddle
but wouldn’t it be great if MJ could convince him to come in during the offseason and work with Kemba?
Uh, No!
Have you guys forgotten, we are in salary cap purgatory because of Larry Brown and his controlling ways. We have the bad contracts because of Larry Brown! Larry Brown doesn’t like rookies, he likes veterans! Have you forgotten how good Larry Brown was to Henderson? Larry Brown would not be good for Kemba, he would make the situation worse! Larry Brown is gone for a good reason, and let the reason stand, and the church say Amen!
by jayo28262 on Jan 28, 2012 1:57 PM EST reply actions 1 recs

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