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A Brief Look At Some Recent Rebuilding Projects

Rebuild- 1. To build again. 2. To make extensive restructural repairs on. 3. To remodel or make extensive changes on.

That's rebuilding defined by the online dictionary. I don't know if it's the best one to reference from, but it was the first thing that popped up on Google so it's gotta be worth something right? Speaking of Google, has anyone else heard about this SOPA and Protect IP? Our rights are being stripped..............

Sorry, almost turned this into something political. Back to the NBA and this whole thing we call rebuilding. Everyone knows that we, the Bobcats, began our own little home repair plan when we acquired Dante Cunningham, Joel Pryzbilla, Sean Marks, and two first round picks for the face of our franchise player Crash in a last second deal at the deadline of the 2010 NBA season. Some even go further back to point to the start of our renovation plan, when we allowed Raymond Felton to walk to the New York Knicks for nothing and dealt Tyson Chandler to the Dallas Mavericks for the unguaranteed contract of Erick Dampier, Matt Carroll, and Eduardo Najera.

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Regardless of when it actually began in Michael Jordan's mind that we needed to start from scratch, it's no longer a secret that this is what phase of the NBA pecking order we're in. The decimation of the Bobcats by the Orlando Magic in the playoffs followed by Larry Brown openly complaining to players about roster moves and the poor start to the next season prompted Jordan to measure his actual money invested into the team against their actual value on the court and forced him to make a move. It's still debatable whether M.J. did it because he was concerned with the team's ability to get better in the future or whether he just wanted to save himself a few million bucks. Either way, I think it was the right move.

Not every rebuilding project is based around an owner looking to go cheaper though for better or worse. Some are simply based on a front office feeling like they've maxed out the potential of their current rosters, teams like the Jason Kidd New Jersey Nets and the Detroit Pistons championship team. Some teams are forced into rebuilding by superstars leaving through trades or free agency, such as what's going on down in New Orleans with the post Chris Paul era. Whatever the case may be that leads to team's being "blown up", the immediate results of the project are almost never positive.

Which is why no one should be surprised that the Bobcats are currently struggling. The hope is that we'll turn into the Thunder of the east, a team full of young, developing talent and high draft picks that can step into the championship picture once dominant teams like the Lakers, Heat, Knicks (lmao), and Bulls begin falling apart from age, injury, or cap issues.

Here are a few teams that come to mind when I think of rebuilding and the steps they took to get there. As you can see, not every rebuilding project that beings actually ends in success or, for some teams, ends at all.

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Rebuilding teams hope to turn into the new Thunder. Could this be Walker, Henderson, our draft pick, and Bismack in a few years?

Seattle Supersonics/ Oklahoma City Thunder - The move to blow up the Sonics was a result of both treading around mediocrity and wanting to create a buzz for the team's potential move out of the northwest. The Sonics, coached by Nate Mcmillan and built around franchise cornerstones Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis, were coming off a surprising 52-30 season that began going south once they were eliminated from the playoffs. With McMillan leaving to become the Portland Trailblazer's head coach, the team finished the next year with a 35-47 record prompting the blow up to go into full fledge mode. The team selected Kevin Durant with the number 2 pick in the draft that year, and also turned the pick they received back from Boston into Jeff Green (who still ended up on Boston in the end). Where the Thunder really began making moves to be successful today happened after Lewis signed a contract with the Orlando Magic. The deal ended up being a sign and trade, so in return, the team received a future 2nd round pick and a $9.5 million trade exception. Amazingly, the Thunder turned that minimal return into two first round picks (who were capped out with a full roster already) and Kurt Thomas. The next year was absolutely brutal for the team though as they finished with a record of 20-62, the worst in franchise history which would turn out to be their last in Seattle.

Their start in OKC wasn't very pleasant at all to begin things. After adding point guard Russell Westbrook to the squad with the 4th pick of the draft that year, the team started off with a 1-13 record prompting ownership to fire coach P.J. Carlesimo and replace him with then interim coach (now coach of the year candidate) Scott Brooks. That didn't bring much of a change as the team dropped to 3-29 (horrible!!!) before finishing the last half of the year with a 20-30 record, ulitmately finishing at 23-59. The team over the second half was vastly different from the team in the first. Not roster wise, but competitively speaking. The team was growing up at a very rapid pace.

With the 3rd overall pick of the draft the next year, the Thunder added James Harden and the rest is pretty much gravy. The team kept wheeling and dealing to find holes in the roster and replace them with the likes of our own D.J. White and Byron Mullens, Eric Maynor, Nick Collison, and several others and have just continued to grow. They finished that year with a 52-30 record and haven't looked back sense. Though the Thunder haven't won a title yet, they have layed the blueprint for how a small market team who can't depend on free agency to attract stars stays financially healthy and competitive.

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The Pistons are going to need more young, cheap, developing players like Monroe to escape mediocrity

Detroit Pistons - It's hard to put a gauge on what Joe Dumars has going on in Detroit, but I'm not sure you can call it rebuilding. Whatever you choose to call it though, it's the exact model that I hope the Bobcats avoid. After several straight trips to the Eastern Conference Finals and losing Ben Wallace as a free agent to the Chicago Bulls, the Pistons decided to head into a new direction fearing that their team would never be strong enough to compete for an NBA title again. Their official rebuilding began once the front office dealt steady point guard Chauncey Billups (who had just a year ago signed a long term extension) to the Denver Nuggets for Allen Iverson and his expiring contract. After that, the Pistons and Iverson have never been the same again.

The issue with the Pistons is they never established a plan of consistency. It's hard to tell if they even tried. After dealing away Billups, from the outside looking in, I thought the franchise would have hope of building a true winner. I knew that Iverson was never meant to be in Detroit long term and he was just a great expiring contract. But what I didn't know was that the front office planned on using the saved money to sign two glorified role players like Charlie Villanueva and Ben Gordon to long term, cap killing deals. What I perceive as incompetence of the front office stretched into this offseason when the Pistons rewarded Tayshaun Prince and Rodney Stuckey with questionable extensions as well. Though the Pistons have been able to add some very talented young players to their squad with Jonas Jerebko, Greg Monroe, and Brandon Knight, it's not hard to see these team floating around mediocrity for the next decade or so as moves like this continue. This is the NBA. You have to get worse before you can get better.

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The glory days for Minnesota no doubt goes back to the Cassell/Garnett/Sprewell era

Minnesota Timberwolves - The Timberwolves have been basically rebuilding since Kevin Garnett was traded away to the Boston Celtics for Al Jefferson, Gerald Green, Ryan Gomes, and other pieces. Unable to establish any consistency in their roster building since their big three of Sam Cassell, Garnett, and Latrell Sprewell departed, the Wolves at one point became the joke of the league, and to some, still are.

My thoughts on that? Not so fast. General manager David Kahn has wisely built the Timberwolves from the ground up but are a fair warning to all rebuilding teams that things don't always work out as planned. However, if you take a look at their roster now and over the past few years, they have remained in relatively great position financially and talent wise. No matter which way you put it, acquiring Michael Beasley for a 2nd round pick is a steal. They've also made several moves in the draft over time to net them young talents like Wes Johnson, Kevin Love, Derrick Williams, Ricky Rubio, and other young guns that can eventually grow into a perrenial playoff contender together. The primary issue for the Wolves has been their unprofound love for stacking the roster with point guards, but with Rick Adelman in the fold, I think they'll have an opportunity to be a playoff contender as soon as, well, actually this year.

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It will take a little luck for us to end up with a Rose caliber player as opposed to Beasley, the number 1 and 2 picks

Chicago Bulls - The Chicago Bulls are just now finishing up on the project that began immediately after their last appearance in the NBA Finals after the 1997 NBA season. At that point, the Bulls had to begin one of the most extensive rebuilding projects in the history of the NBA from top to bottom as Phil Jackson chose to take a sabbatical from coaching, M.J. retired for a second time, and Scottie Pippen and Dennis Rodman had already made up their minds they would like to leave as well after winning three straight NBA championships. After top draft picks Eddy Curry and Tyson Chandler failed to pan out, Jayson Williams' horrific career-ending motorcyle accident, overspending on the likes of Ron Mercer and Brad Miller, and the Elton Brand and Ron Artest experiment not going according to plan, the Bulls have finally turned it around and become a contender again. Though they were by far the best regular season team in the eastern conference last year, they did have to go through the hell that we are going through now. Only winning 13 games during the lockout season (50 games), they went on to only win 17 the next season (which was a full 82 game season), 15, 21, 30, and 23 games (all full schedules as well) until they finally managed to jump back itno the playoff picture after the 04-05' season finishing with a 47-35 record. At that point, they were beginning to look like a team treading water, fighting for a low playoff seed every year with a core built around Ben Gordon and Tyrus Thomas, until a 33-49 finish at the end of the 07-08 season and a "lucky" bounce in the lottery allowed them the opportunity to select Derrick Rose with the number 1 pick in the draft. Combined with fellow lottery picks Luol Deng and Joakim Noah, defensive coaching guru Tom Thibodeau, and free agent pick ups Kyle Korver and Carlos Boozer, and the rest is history. The Bulls are a great team again after basically a DECADE of suffering through mediocrity and failure.

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The Nets were once a perrenial contender for the eastern conference crown

New Jersey Nets/New York Knicks- The only real reason that I chose to mention the New Jersey Nets is because they took almost the same exact route that the New York Knicks did. Don't see the comparisons? Well, for one, this team decided to go into rebuild mode because their team lead by Jason Kidd, Vince Carter, and Richard Jefferson were beginning nto fade from championship contender to mediocrity in a hurry. The Knicks were never there in the first place but were capped out and needed to start over. While the Knicks were busy acquiring young studs like Danillo Gallinari, Wilson Chandler, Timofy Mozgov and others, the Nets were busy picking up the likes of Derrick Favors, Devin Harris, and collecting other assets like the pick they got from the Lakers in the Joe Smith/Sasha Vujacic swap and the first rounder they got back in a trade for Terrence Williams. Like the Knicks, the Nets also threw all of their pieces into one player and may end up paying the consequences for it. The Knicks are struggling with Carmelo Anthony as the center piece of their offense only team. The Nets are struggling with Derron Williams being the only true talent on their team (though Marshon Brooks and the injured Brooke Lopez are good as well). But unlike the Knicks, the Nets still have a fear of losing Williams as he isn't locked into a long term contract so he may very well be dealt by the deadline again this year if he continues to show no true desire to stay for their move to Brooklyn.

So, overall folks, no matter what road you choose to take towards rebuilding, not all of it works out. We're all still waiting on teams like Sacramento and Golden State to show improvement from their rebuilding but they haven't. We're also looking to see at how well the Wolves and other teams end up improving over the year. Bottom line, their are no guarantees. I know we all want to be like the Thunder, but first, we need to find a Kevin Durant type of star with our top pick next year to implement into our squad. But keep in mind that a team with Durant on their roster once went 23-59. When you look at it like that and our team's record, you'll see we're right on schedule. How it will turn out, that remains to be seen.

Thoughts?

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Detroit
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Chicago
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awesome post dude

this helped me kill a lot of free time. i think we end up doing something like the nets or knicks. jordan was a superstar and only wants a superstar in charlotte. i see kemba as more of a complimentary player than that guy. we are getting all of these players together so we can make a trade for a superstar. he better not be in the final year of his contract when we do though!

by MattyIceJunior on Jan 19, 2012 3:08 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks homey.

I can see M.J. trying to bring a star to Charlotte through a trade because it’s MJ, but I’m have problems thinking of who that star is. Howard, Anthony, Paul, James, Wade, Bosh, all these guys are already on the teams they want to be on or only care about big markets. Durant and Rose have signed their extensions and are off the market for a while. If we do put together assets for a trade, I think it’s for a borderline all-star rather than a superstar. Maybe someone like Rudy Gay or something? It goes against our cap rules though so I don’t know if that’s what we’ll end up doing. But it’s an interesting possibility.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 19, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Riddle me this...

What kind of appeal would the Bobcats have to any superstar? Disinterested fanbase, small market, limited marketing opportunities, uninteresting metro area…

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 25, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Big basketball market (look at how well college ball does), interested fanbase when properly stimulated (Charlotte Hornets and league-leading attendance), improved marketing opportunities (MJ), smaller city for those who don’t like big cities.

by Tim Rudisill on Jan 25, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

You pretty well described Portland.

Who was the last marquee FA they attracted without the aid of Bird rights?

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 25, 2012 11:53 PM EST up reply actions  

If they are traded here,

that means they are under contract. “Appeal” only comes into play for free agents.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 25, 2012 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Wouldn't we need assets to trade for a star?

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 25, 2012 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope, you need "perceived" assets.

Example: most of the people here at RoF believe that Kemba is a potential star and Biyombo can easily become a DPoY candidate. Are they there yet? Nope, but that doesn’t matter if other GMs feel the same way that we (the majority at RoF) do.

by Tim Rudisill on Jan 25, 2012 11:34 PM EST up reply actions  

A potential star?

How exactly would a 6’0" guard who can’t play PG fit into that category?

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 25, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

The guy who averaged 7.5 assists a game as a rookie and over 6 for his career? Ha.

Next.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 26, 2012 12:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Touché

But I think you’re being overly harsh with your criticism with Kemba. It’s like you’d only be happy if he came in and was an All-Star out of the gate. We get it, you didn’t like who we picked. Get over it.

by JDeLong42 on Jan 26, 2012 12:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd be happy if he came in and showed any signs of being able to play PG, the only choice he has at the NBA level.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 26, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Iverson's assist totals were never a reflection of his PG

skills at all. He only has those numbers because the ball was in his hand so much to begin with. That’s why Eric Snow, Aaron Mckey, Kevin Ollie, and all of those other guys stayed in the game. Iverson has never been a ball distributor. You know better.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 26, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

And Walker has similarly dominated possessions at the NBA level...

yet he has no such “fluky” playmaking production. What’s up with that, exactly?

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 26, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Dominated possessions?

Other than last night, a game in which half of our rotation was out, what other games has he “dominated possessions”?

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 26, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

He leads the team in usage rate.

That includes a clear margin over Corey Maggette, noted inefficient volume shooter.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 26, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

He hasn't even started but a handful of games.

And Maggette has been out longer than he’s been available. Flawed Michael, totally flawed.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 26, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't see your point.

The unit he’s spent the most time on the floor with is Augustin-Henderson-Thomas-Mullens, so it’s not like there aren’t other offensive options.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 26, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Look Michael,

I refuse to take this any further because your complaints against Kemba are legitimate at this point. However, had a few more shots fallen last night and he hit 20, I doubt his questionable skills as a pass first guard would be at the front of the conversation. Give the kid time. That’s all I’m doing. If he doesn’t show any signs of improvement over the next few weeks, I’ll say you were right. But for now, I am going to be a fan of the team and monitor his development and every other young prospect on the team. I’m not totally in love with anyone on the roster to tell you the truth. If trading everyone on the team away gives us our best chance at a championship, so be it.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 26, 2012 3:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

You're talking about pretty window treatments on the Titanic.

As Bonnell noted, the term “volume shooter” is often used around for guys who take many bad shots but have the skill to hit more than they should (and for some games, weeks, months, etc. can even do so at an acceptable overall level.) But fundamentally, it’s bad basketball, and the kid is getting worse in that regard, not better. If people are willing to ignore a fundamentally bad game because a player hits some shots he shouldn’t have, it doesn’t change the fact that it was a fundamentally bad game. On Walker, the results have often been better than I have expected, but for him to be a consistently good player (as I truly hope he can be, contrary to what you may think), he will need to change his process. I will refer back to a diagram that I believe was originally produced by former RoF editor David Arnott:

For this team, I’d like to see them be in the top left, but I’d MUCH rather see the top right than bottom right or, even worse, bottom left, which only reinforces bad habits.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 26, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

This is what I was trying to embed:

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 26, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Does he?

A PG leading the league in usage rate is certainly not a good thing. He needs to work on that.

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 26, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

He does.

As I noted elsewhere, 20th in the league in usage rate, 275th in true shooting percentage.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 26, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm sure Silas will reign that in.

Obviously Kemba is too young and not good enough to lead our team in usage rate at this juncture.

If Silas can’t reign that in, he should probably be fired, because his job right now is to teach these young guys.

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 27, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

The greatest teacher can only reach a willing student.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 27, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

^

There ya go.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 26, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Good post.

In enjoyed reading this. I wish more people were optimistic about this team. I am looking forward to next season. This one is rough… lol

Let's Go Cats!!!

by Nathan Shaw on Jan 24, 2012 11:29 PM EST reply actions  

Lol. I appreciate you reading.

Good thing this is only a 66 game season.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 25, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely...

Casual fans can’t grasp what a rebuilding team looks like…even though they are following one right now.

I love these Bobcats, and I have TONS of patience. It really hurts to watch sometimes…but in the end, it will so be worth it!

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by andrewlail76 on Jan 25, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Well worth the wait.

A season or two being utterly garbage for a chance at sustained success over a 6 or 7 year stretch? We’ve got to take it.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 25, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Rebuilding teams show promise.

Teams that are blown out the majority of the time are just bad.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 25, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Oklahoma City started 3-29.

What more needs to be said?

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 25, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

How about this:

Through their first 19 games, they were 2-17, having been outscored by 196 points. That’s a pretty awful scoring margin of -10.3.
Through our first 19 games, we’re 3-16, having been outscored by 226 points. That’s an average loss of NEARLY TWELVE POINTS PER GAME!

Based on scoring margin, this team is 15% worse than that awful team was. Further, their young stars were already showing signs of NBA ability and productivity. Durant was scoring over 23 points a game while shooting the ball efficiently overall and from three, Jeff Green was putting up 15-6, and Westbrook was putting up a 12-4-3 line. And these weren’t breakouts like Augustin in his fourth season or Henderson in his third. These were players with a combined two years in the league prior to the start of that season. Meanwhile, we have Walker proving before our very eyes that he simply isn’t capable of running an NBA offense or distributing for his teammates so as to maximize their potential to succeed on offense, to the point where Silas said he’ll need to totally change the offense to hide Walker’s weaknesses. Biyombo, meanwhile, after his “monster game” against Dwight Howard, has faded back to incompetence with an average of 3-5-2 on 7 of 18 shooting since despite Silas’ insistence that he would get opportunities because of our total lack of depth in the frontcourt.

Further, by the time they reached the end of the 32-game period you mentioned, they had dropped their scoring margin to -8.66. For the Bobcats to get there, they’ll need to keep the next 13 games within 51 points. That would mean a scoring margin of -3.92. Do you see that happening?

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 25, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

We also have been missing key players due to injury most of the year

Also, Kemba’s stat line is very similar to Westbrook’s with higher shooting percentages and Henderson’s numbers are similar to those that you mentioned of Green’s. We don’t have a Durant yet. That’s what we’re hoping for in the upcoming draft.

by JDeLong42 on Jan 26, 2012 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

3-29.

All of that other stuff you add in as an attempt to justify such an awful record is just more MP ramble. As far as rebuilding goes, we’re ahead of where Oklahoma City was in their process. Our potential top pick is going to come into a situation where he’s not the only player developing on the squad. Combine that with another likely top pick the next year and then take a look at us. It’s not even worth getting into right now when I came into this season KNOWING this was a rebuilding year and we would be bad this year and I’ve been watching these past few games KNOWING that half of our already bad team is out with injury. But little BIG facts that you leave out of your rants make even the thought of debating tiresome.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 26, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Losing is one thing...

Getting blown out in MOST of your games is quite another.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 26, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

For some reason

I think I would still be hearing the same thing from you if every loss we suffered was by 8 points or less. That’s not even taking into account that our players are hurt and the schedule is super condensed this year making it harder for squads hindered by injuries to recover. If you’re going to talk about how these losses are a reflection of individual player quality, then you’re also going to have to talk about how Augustin and Henderson are all of the sudden not quality players as well. They play for us too ya know?

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 26, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

It certainly reflects on Henderson and Augustin as well.

But they’ve clearly outperformed Walker, who has still and so been designated as “franchise cornerstone” and “future star.”

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 26, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I've never designated him as anything.

He’s a ROOKIE! Augustin and Henderson outperforming him doesn’t surprise me at all.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 26, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

And it's a good thing all rookies need time to develop and grow as players...

Otherwise, nobody would think Ricky Rubio or Kevin Durant or Kevin Garnett or LeBron James was very special.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 26, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

So that's the standards we are measuring Kemba against?

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 26, 2012 2:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

They're standards you're suggesting are impossible to reach.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 26, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

No Love for Love?

At this point, K-Love is more than a “young talent” he’s an MVP contender.

Other than that, excellent post. With Deron Williams to build around, and a NYC team to play for, the Nets might become a perennial contender in the near future.

by adamcawa on Jan 25, 2012 12:37 PM EST reply actions  

Forgive me for my lack of appreciation of Kevin Love here.

Dude is a BEAST!!!

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 25, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

his defense

has dramatically improved this year… it’s early in the season, but he’s currently 10 points better in defensive PER than last season

by adamcawa on Jan 26, 2012 1:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, I've been saying since

Adelman was hired that Minnesota would be a threat. He’s coaching those guys the right way. Love is already a beast, but now he’s even more disciplined. And Rubio has been pretty good as well. It’d be cool to see them in the playoffs.

I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 26, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

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