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Bobcats Hang Tough Against Orlando, Collapse Late 96-89

Though the Magic ultimately did ride their usual avenues to victory, it was much closer than I expected it to be (which shouldn't surprise many, as I'm a pretty awful Miss Cleo).

With Orlando's long ball not falling at its usual second-best-in-the-NBA clip (41.8% coming into tonight's game), the Magic relied on the force that we call Dwight Howard. Howard and the rest of the Magic again ground the Bobcats frontcourt into paste tallying 50 points in the paint. Coupled with that, their seven treys and free throw shooting sustained them against a motivated Bobcats squad despite Orlando's shooting woes.

But more than that, the Bobcats rebounded from a head-shaking performance against Cleveland, showing improvement in just about all areas from most players. The defensive game plan was to not double on Howard and to force the Magic to win from the outside. Giving credit where credit is due, Orlando did just that, but it wasn't easy. Howard got into early foul trouble, which forced Orlando Head Coach Stan Van Gundy to bench him with about seven minutes remaining in the third quarter. The Bobcats took advantage with Orlando's offense unable to create inside without Howard. Gerald Henderson, Kemba Walker and Bismack Biyombo were the main beneficiaries of this, combining for 30 points on 15 field goal attempts in the first half. Even with Howard fighting foul trouble, he piled on 14 points on eight field goal attempts, nine rebounds and two blocks before the half came to a close.

But the Bobcats cooled down in the second half. After knocking down four of eight three-pointers in the first half, Charlotte would hit only one of their nine attempts in the second half. Gerald Henderson took a single shot in the quarter and Dwight Howard was too tough for the Bobcats to contain. Entering the fourth, the two teams were tied. The stalling Bobcats offense regained momentum on the shoulders of Henderson, who took advantage of his speed against Turkoglu to drive into the paint and draw fouls all night. But it wouldn't be enough as the Magic held off the Bobcats with their inside-out play, particularly on a Ryan Anderson three assisted by Howard.

Star-divide

Special kudos go to two players tonight, at least in my eyes. Gerald Henderson has earned much acclaim for taking it upon himself to drive to the rim, where he connects on 68.8% of his shots (per Hoopdata.com). In turn, he's scoring more efficiently and getting to the free-throw line much more often. We've known his midrange game is solid, but if Henderson is focused enough to sustain this effort, it will be quite the rewarding improvement.

The second player has to be Bismack Biyombo. After riding the pine the whole night against the Cavs, Biyombo impressed many in facing the challenge of Dwight Howard. Maybe it was being more rested than everyone (the Magic also played last night), but honestly, it makes little difference. Biyombo was easily the most effective defender against Howard. He muscled in against Howard for rebounding position and refused to let Howard have any easy shots. His hands were quick and showed good instincts in getting his hands up, forcing Howard and others into bad shots. On offense, things were even more surprising. Biyombo finished the game with a perfect five-for-five shooting night. A few of these were dunks resulting from slipping the pick and roll coverage or running the fastbreak well, while the others came from hook shots and layups. Sure, they weren't the smoothest of post moves, but for someone who most called extremely raw offensively, this was encouraging. The worst play for him was undoubtedly a sequence in which he tripped whilst guarding Howard in the post. Howard's feet then got tangled as he moved into the space where Biyombo was previously. The falling Howard hit the undefended layup and Biyombo was called for a foul. Still, Biyombo had a terrific night. Hopefully this type of performance is just a taste of what we'll see the rest of the season. Biyombo recorded 11 points, 10 rebounds and four blocks in 21 minutes.

Kemba Walker quietly had a decent night after his shockingly bad shooting night on Monday. His scoring was better, hitting 15 points on 13 shots, including a couple threes. More than that, we're watching him develop as a passer. Contrasting with his earlier performances, Kemba is seeing his teammates better on the pick and roll and is showing marked improvement in finding fellow Bobcats in other situations too. He racked up six assists tonight while also grabbing four rebounds and a pair of steals. He still tends to be mistake-prone (as rookies tend to be) but I though he was fine tonight.

D.J. Augustin's night was merely mediocre. He had 13 points on 12 shots, four rebounds, four steals and five assists, but also had a career-high in turnovers with eight.

Tyrus Thomas had another forgettable game, shooting two-for-ten for a whopping seven points. His early play in drawing fouls on Howard was instrumental in the Bobcats early play. That said, his shots wasn't falling and he couldn't get much of anything falling against Howard, nor could he rebound well. It looks like he really needs to work on his strength.

In other news, D.J. White didn't play at all, getting a DNP-CD (Coach's Decision). Puzzling. This team really needs to free up the mosh pit at power forward.

P.S. Cory Higgins, please stop shooting so much.

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Biyombo got crunch time minutes?

This pleases me a great deal.

And you’re right – there’s terrible log jam at the 4 and somebody needs to be moved. Diaw or Thomas – both have been ineffective and make the most $ on the team. DJ White is probably the teams most cost effective player.

by ClayM on Jan 18, 2012 12:23 AM EST reply actions  

Diaw or White

It’s hard to imagine anyone biting on Thomas’ contract; it’s too much for too long and he’s playing too poorly right now.

If they unload Diaw, it probably won’t be for much. But if they can get even a second-rounder for him, they should do it. He’d free up minutes at both the four and the five where Biyombo could slide right in.

I wouldn’t mind them moving White, either – given his efficiency, how cheap he is right now and his restricted free agent status, he’s probably the most valuable chip they have. I’d be sad to see him go, since he’s exceeded expectations, but he’s probably going to top out as a quality bench guy. If they can get good value for him they should go for it.

by Handles Messiah on Jan 18, 2012 1:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, if the right offer came along...

I think that’s all he’s saying. Although, to be fair, I never even considered what we might get for White should we trade him. What would other teams be willing to give? He’s a solid piece at a cheap price. There are teams that are probably willing to give up something decent for him. That doesn’t mean we should — but it does mean that Cho should be paying attention.

by Tim Rudisill on Jan 18, 2012 5:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree

A late first rd’r to a contender. Someone like Portland or San Antonio would benefit from having White. Also OKC and MIA. Im still not sold that a player that late in the draft could give us the production that White can. But he will be pushing the 5mil mark as far as salary and right now I just cant give that to him.

by focuslja on Jan 18, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I think we can land White long term for less than $5 million per

But we’ll see. We shouldn’t break the bank for him though, I agree.

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by Bring Back Primoz on Jan 18, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Trading White for a late first rounder is trading proven value for a roll of the dice.

Sure, that late first rounder could work out, but he could also turn into nothing. I’m all for acquiring draft picks, but not for young, cheap, and useful players.

The only way this makes sense is if White does indeed fetch more than he’s worth, and I don’t see that as a given. White is useful, but I can’t see teams falling all over themselves to get him.

by Basketball Rambler on Jan 18, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

True

What’s really the best-case scenario on a late first round pick? That he turns into, well, D.J. White.

by djwilliams11 on Jan 18, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly, we trade DJ white for a chance at another DJ White.

It only makes sense if he somehow manages to get an offer from another team that’s too high.

by Basketball Rambler on Jan 18, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, kind of

There have been plenty of players taken in the late first round that turned out to be stars, starters and great role players. But even if a draft pick wound up being a D.J. White clone, they would still be more valuable because of their rookie contract.

I’m not saying they have to deal White, or anything like that – he’s shown a lot so far and I think he could be a plus bench player on a good team. But they should keep the option open.

by Handles Messiah on Jan 18, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Weigh the players taken in the late first round that have been stars, starters, great role players vs. the amount of players who have been much much less. That’s the issue. We can’t assume that the pick is valuable.

by Basketball Rambler on Jan 18, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

They were talking about a “best-case scenario,” which could definitely wind up being a player better than White. It’s not the most likely result, but it can and does happen.

Besides, the first-rounder is just a hypothetical. If they could get a similarly promising young player at the small forward position, wouldn’t that be better in the short-term and the long-term?

by Handles Messiah on Jan 18, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Again, though, I’d really like White to stay around on the cheap. The point I was trying to make is that he’d be a lot easier to move than Diaw or Thomas and would probably get them the best return. If someone picks up the phone they should at least listen.

by Handles Messiah on Jan 18, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Of course you always listen

White is far from untouchable. I don’t think we’re really disagreeing. I just don’t think the deal is out there that makes White a good option for a trade. My point is, we don’t need to trade just to make a trade. The 4 spot will not be over crowded at the end of the year.

by Basketball Rambler on Jan 18, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I didn’t think anyone was disagreeing either. I agree with you, too, that staying put could end up being the best option.

The OP suggested trading one of the power forwards, and I just pointed out that they probably can’t trade Thomas; they should trade Diaw (if a deal doesn’t hurt them long-term); and White shouldn’t be off the table.

by Handles Messiah on Jan 18, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

Get rid of Diaw no matter what. Showcase him until the trade deadline, and if we don’t get any biters, I say he rides the pine until his contract expires. There is absolutely zero upside to him getting any minutes after the trade deadline.

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 18, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

This is basically in reply to all of the above.

I like to use numerical values, so let’s put players in a ranking of 1-10. Let’s say 6 is barely a starter and 10 is LeBron James. Personally, I value getting an 8 more than I do getting two 7’s. Or I value getting a 7 more than I would two 6’s. Why? Because it’s easier to find lower numbers and harder to get the higher ones.

With that being said: if we can get a low 1st rounder for White, I say we do it. Combine that with a 1st from DJ and a possible first from Diaw. What do we have? A late-mid rounder and two late 1st rounders. That in itself is not amazing. BUT – it opens up the opportunity to trade those 3 for a higher pick. Let’s say we’ve got a 21st, 25th and 26th. Bundle those babies together and get a 12th. Obviously, I’m making up numbers here, but the overall point should stand: we are getting rid of those 6’s and possibly getting a 7 or an 8.

Yes, that’s a lot of what-ifs … but I just wanted to bring up the possibility.

by Tim Rudisill on Jan 18, 2012 10:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel you on that.

We’re not going to get that from White no matter what (hence why we’ll be able to sign him for cheap) so it’s honestly a moot point.

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 19, 2012 12:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not dismissing the value of multiple first round picks

but, if I understand you correctly, you’re suggesting that we trade White, Augustin, and Diaw for one single pick that would be in the range of 12th in the draft.

I don’t mind Diaw being in that equation, but I’d like to think we could get better than a single mid round pick for our 2 DJs. A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush.

by Basketball Rambler on Jan 19, 2012 9:00 AM EST up reply actions  

You're misunderstanding him.

He’s saying DJ, Boris, and White are each worth a first round pick, giving us 3 additional first round picks to move up.

That’s just not going to happen.

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 19, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I think I understand him

The 3 players are each worth a first round pick according to TR’s premise. The 3 acquired picks are traded for a single pick that is higher in order. Eliminating the middle steps, you essentially trade White, Augustin, and Diaw for ONE middle round draft pick.

I agree with you that it’s not a realistic proposition, but it’s also not a wise use of assets were it a real possibility. White and Augustin together are in most cases worth more than one draft pick.

by Basketball Rambler on Jan 19, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

No they are not

If you look at the BIGGEST picture. It would actually be a steal for us to get a pick in the early to mid teens for Diaw, DJ and DJ. This draft is so deep that teams are gonna be hard pressed to trade picks at all. And two, Augustin isnt going to elect to coming back here if Kemba continues to start. So instead of any of them walking for free, we should get what we can as long as its reasonable. The amount of useful players and higher tier ROLE PLAYERS spills well into the second round. So ending up with a 20th at the minimum for players who are gonna walk anyway is a blessing.

by focuslja on Jan 19, 2012 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

You know that a draft pick is always a gamble on some level, right?

Diaw is inconsequential at the end of this season. DJ and DJ, however, have both proven that they’re going to stick in the NBA. I’m not saying having a mid round pick in this draft isn’t desirable, but why do we throw away good proven players just to get it? Charlotte can get more if they feel they need to make a trade.

by Basketball Rambler on Jan 19, 2012 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I used "best-case" in a relative sense

As in, the best case we could reasonably hope for if we make the move. Technically, the best-case scenario for a 2nd rounder is Manu Ginobli, but if you trade for a 2nd rounder because you might get Manu Ginobli, you won’t be a GM for very long.

by djwilliams11 on Jan 18, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

If you trade Diaw

for a player of your liking (Wes Johnson, Morrow, Webster ect) AND a second rd pick. Then you will be. And factor in the depth of this draft and there will be a MIlsap of Ellis or Ginobili or Boozer lingering somewhere…{ Festus Ezeli}

by focuslja on Jan 19, 2012 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Well considering that the 4 spot isn't going to be a log jam for very long, I don't know that a SF is more valuable long-term

Hypotheticals don’t have that much currency for me. Name these SFs that are similar in productivity, age, and contract to DJ White and then explain why their current team needs a PF instead. That would make for a more compelling statement.

by Basketball Rambler on Jan 18, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't see why we need to make a trade at all.

Diaw is an expiring contract. I don’t see anyone wanting him without sending an unwanted contract back. We could maybe get a late first round pick and a contract that we don’t want in return for Diaw. Let him expire and move forward.

Thomas looks like a toxic asset right now considering his salary vs. his performance. I agree that he’s not going to fetch much of anything in a trade. We’re forgetting that he has actually played quite well (if inconsistent) in the past and he started the season with a severe ankle sprain. He may never live up to his contract, but I don’t think he’ll continue to play this poorly. He’s at his floor right now, but he deserves a chance to get back into the rotation.

White is one of our most most valuable assets. Why trade him? He’s young, cost effective, and productive. You think Charlotte will get all of those qualities back if he’s traded? I don’t think so.

True, the log jam exists today, but the Bobcats are rebuilding and thus thinking long-term Diaw and Eddie are gone after this season. That gives us Thomas, White (hopefully), and Biyombo to play at the 4. Exploring a trade for Thomas may make sense in the future if he improves his play, but right now, trading one of our 4s isn’t a necessary or viable action.

by Basketball Rambler on Jan 18, 2012 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Standing still

A lot of good points. Staying put could definitely wind up being their best option; the big man rotation isn’t ideal right now, but giving more minutes to Diaw at the three and more time for Biyombo at center could help even things out for the time being.

I assume they’re having discussions with White’s agent right now to gauge what kind of contract extension he’s looking for. Considering he’s only had consistent minutes for the last year or so, it hopefully won’t be for much. A contract similar to what Reggie Williams got would be great.

At the same time, I don’t think anyone on the roster (minus maybe the rookies) should be untouchable. White is cost-effective at the moment, but dealing him for a pick would guarantee four years of a player locked into an even cheaper rookie contract. It would just have to be the right deal.

As long as the roster is built the way it is there are going to be weird rotations, DNP-CDs and most likely upset guys. It’s not the end of the world, but it could be better.

by Handles Messiah on Jan 18, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Yea I understand, but fixing the roster for this season shouldn't take precedence over long-term planning

In terms of White, you’re exactly right. We shouldn’t keep him if his agent asks for 5+mil per year. I don’t think he’s expecting to get that, but you never know. A Reggie Williams type contract would be ideal, but he may get a little more because he’s not signing with an injury up front on a shortened season.

by Basketball Rambler on Jan 18, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

4 years, 12 million would be an amazing contract for us and White.

He gets long-term stability, we get an efficient, under-valued player. I’m really happy with the front-office for this move.

Honestly, since last trade deadline, I feel like every move we’ve made makes sense (even more in hindsight!) and moves toward a common goal.

As a Bobcats fan, I honestly couldn’t be happier.

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 18, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

It sounds good.

But as my post below states, what makes White different than Warrick or Glen Davis or Jeff Green (well #s wise)? Not much. So I dont think he’ll settle for 3mil IF TT is still on the team. I cant see it. He will at least want something in the ballpark of what Thomas makes IF they are both on the same team. Only with TT gone can we get a better deal with White…

by focuslja on Jan 19, 2012 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

He will

ask for something close to 5mil…Whats really the difference between his numbers and someone like Kendrick Perkins or Roy Hibbert or TYRUS THOMAS. Only if Tyrus is traded do I see us being able to bargain with White. Im sure his agent (well if I were an agent) would point out the fact that he is putting up ARGUABLY better stats CONSISTENTLY than anyone other than DJA and Mullens. And I would also point out that Tyrus is getting 7mil with barely half of the production of White. So only if Tyrus is gone can that argument be nixed

by focuslja on Jan 19, 2012 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think Tyrus' contract has anything to do with it

Last year JJ Redick wasn’t wanting $20 million/year just because Arenas was getting that and wasn’t outperforming him. Even players like White realize they’re not getting overpaid just because there is a player on his team not earning his money.

Where I do agree is that it’s probably easier to sign White if Tyrus is gone because it means the PF position is being cleaned out enough to clear plenty of playing time for him.

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by Bring Back Primoz on Jan 19, 2012 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Terrible idea trading White.

He’s a guy we can extend for cheap, and could become a valuable role-player for a long time to come. You don’t get rid of undervalued assests like that, especially on a rebuilding team like ours.

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 18, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Pt gds in the paint

Dj n kemba had turnover problems but they helped keep the cats role guys scoring by driving in the paint and creating. Henderson kept the cats in the game for sure but had they not done that as well, this game wasnt close. They must continue to get in the paint n dish.

The ooffensive sets included pik in rolls that the pt gds executed and they were started much closer to the foul line to be more effective instead of those useless hiigh around the arc screens .

Not playing white and not putting him the mix on offense n defense was a bad move . Thomas helped down the stretch but took ill advised shots down the stretch too.

Silas waited too long to call certain plays . He seemed to only do his late in the 4 th when he called plays for henderson. And one for diaw. He shud have called those same plays in the sluggish 3 rd qtr too.

by Louis tape on Jan 18, 2012 1:10 AM EST reply actions  

Ratcheting back expectations

I really, really liked what I saw Biyombo tonight, but at the same time I wouldn’t be surprised if this winds up being his best offensive game of the season. Those shaky hook shots aren’t always going to drop for him, and he probably could have been whistled for a few more fouls and travels than he ended up with.

Still, if he keeps that performance on defense, it’ll be worth it.

by Handles Messiah on Jan 18, 2012 1:14 AM EST reply actions  

Just seeing him play really good defense and good rebounding instincts against the best C in the NBA is good enough for me.

Any offense he provides theoughout his career is just gravy.

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 18, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 18, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Very entertaining game

I’m elated at the performance of Biz tonight. He really made it difficult for Howard to score when guarding him one on one in the post. He did a great job climbing the ladder to knock away a lob pass to Howard that is usually indefensible. I’m very excited to watch his continued to develop.

Kemba played well tonight too. He’s getting better at finding his teammates already. His ability to get wherever he wants on the floor whenever he wants to is uncanny.

We get three days off before our next game. It really looks like the team needs it.

by JDeLong42 on Jan 18, 2012 1:46 AM EST reply actions  

Very proud of Biz

There was one sequence in the 4th where he was boxing Dwight out with tenacity, to the point where the rebound bounced off in the opposite direction, the ball hit the floor, and another Bobcat swooped in and picked it up with Biz still pinning Dwight to the baseline. I believe it was the ensuing possession that Biz posted Dwight up and went right at him, drawing a frustration foul and a T. Biyombo actually got in Dwight’s head. Let that sink in.

Of course, D.J. proceeded to miss the T (as an aside, fourth quarter free throws seem like they’ve been abysmal this year), and Biz went 1 for 2 from the line, and picking up 1 out of a possible 3 points from the exchange seemed to be a turning point in the quarter. Baby steps, though. I was actually very encouraged by the game last night.

by djwilliams11 on Jan 18, 2012 7:42 AM EST reply actions  

Yup.

Biz is a center. With his arm length and strength he might as well be 7’2".

by milky C on Jan 18, 2012 8:04 AM EST up reply actions  

As has been said

You don’t block shots with your head.

by djwilliams11 on Jan 18, 2012 8:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Lol. There are about 2 or 3 of those around the site.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 18, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Biz certainly frustrated Howard

Howard had a difficult time trying to back him down on the post too. Biz is strong as an ox! I think an encouraging sign for me is that he actually has nice form on his shot. I know he’s shooting FTs at a 50% clip but he has nice form and releases the ball high with a nice arc. He has to continue working on it but he doesn’t have a hideous, non-reformable shot like most big men. We’ll see where he goes from here but it was encouraging.

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by Bring Back Primoz on Jan 18, 2012 8:58 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Agreed

His footwork definitely has to be improved.

And I wouldn’t consider myself bullish on Biyombo’s jumper but he shoots with enough touch that I think it’s reasonable to believe he can develop that aspect of his game.

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by Bring Back Primoz on Jan 18, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

If he can make one jumpshot per game at a decent clip, that's enough.

Just enough to make defenses respect it so his post game is even more effective.

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 18, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I have a strange feeling

thats part of an expectation. if mullens becomes enough of a scoring option at 5 and biyombo has the defensive tools at the 4 then we will end up strangly remenicent of the 04-05 team, who had a 7 foot jump shooting center (primo) who couldnt defend and a power forward who had the defensive tools but was more framed to play center but couldnt score at enough of a high clip (okafor).

I dont think its totally off base to see the comparison of mullens/biyombo to primo/okafor , In my opinion a center combo is best suited for these 2 youngsters, with biyombo starting and mullens being the change of pace backup. this way opponents are constantly put out as to how to defend or 5’s.

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by bobcatsbrendan on Jan 18, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I meant in practice

Mullens can be a good resource for improving his shooting as a big man.

by drapht00 on Jan 18, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree as well.

They compliment eachother well, but I don’t see having both of them starting as the long term solution,

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 18, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

impressive post

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 18, 2012 8:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm so excited about what I saw in Biz last night. It's unreal.

He was everything I’ve been hoping for and more, and it was nice to see after all the negativity thrown in his direction the last week or so.

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 18, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

If he has another bad game or doesn't play much,

it’ll all return. Bobcat “fans”.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 18, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Totally agree.

I can even see Bismack taking some short range jumpers in the future. He’s got a better form than Dwight and he’s not afraid to take those. Hell, neither is Diop. It’s great to see him developing.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 18, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

DJ White getting nothing while Thomas bumbled his way through 28 minutes was VERY puzzling.

I’m encouraged that with Diaw being benched, that Silas will eventually do the right thing if TT continues to struggle. It’s hard to believe that this is the same man that had our highest PER last season. This season? He’s currently 10th, sandwiched between Maggette and Diop. Yikes.

Loved seeing Biyombo getting the first of what I’m sure will be many double doubles in his career. If he can bang in the paint with Superman…I mean, isn’t Howard the best pure center in the league today? Hopefully, Bismack’s performance last night will signal the end of DNP-CDs for him. Then again, White didn’t play at all last night (a real sore spot for me), so what do I know?

As some of you may know, I’m a big Augustin fan, but 8 turnovers from our starting PG is unacceptable. It’s a tribute to our overall team play that we were even still in the game late in spite of his sloppy play. Very uncharacteristic of him…I hope that was one hell of an anomaly.

I honestly didn’t even notice that Hendo went AWOL offensively in the 2nd half until Martin mentioned late in 4th that it was Hendo’s first shot since the 2nd quarter. And he was still our leading scorer. Here’s to hoping he keeps the pressure on throughout the entire game after this extended rest. Him attacking the rim early and often is a great addition to his offense this season.

Is it just me, or is Mullens’ inside game getting better while is outside touch is declining? Maybe he is just tired; He’d probably logged more minutes in the last week than in the rest of his career combined.

Higgins’ shot form is an abomination. lol…I’m sorry; how that monstrosity of a release ever goes in, I’ll never know.

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by Newsinz on Jan 18, 2012 8:44 AM EST reply actions  

I'm going to write a piece to explain this TT phenomen.

I feel like my comments about it are getting redundant.

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 18, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I look forward to reading it.

I was so high on him last season…I wish I could put my finger on where he lost his way, or am I just expecting the world out of him? I dunno….like I said, I’m eager to read your extended thoughts on him, because while I don’t think he’s a lost cause, it sure as hell looks like he has regressed since last season. In the meantime, White has gotten even more consistent than he was last season, and he gets rewarded with a nice, shiny DNP-CD. Frustrating to witness as a fan.

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by Newsinz on Jan 18, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Am I alone in wanting to see Biyombo develop a hook shot?

He looked awkward as hell shooting them and he got a few lucky bounces last night, but I really think this could be his best weapon in half court offense.

His offense needs a ton of work regardless, but this could be the quickest and easiest way to get him involved in scoring outside of running the floor on the break. No one will ever be able to block or even contest a Biyombo hook, and it requires a lot less sophisticated technique than most effective post moves. If he can develop an even half way reliable move to score a few buckets a night, Biyombo will see more consistent floor time and he’ll be able to flourish on D like we all know he can.

by Basketball Rambler on Jan 18, 2012 9:08 AM EST reply actions  

I liked what I say also

But I want him not to feel as if everything he puts up has to be straight net. I would like him to learn to aim at the square in the backboard. Tim Duncan became one of the greatest PFs in the game by using the bank shot. Thats what BB needs to start doing. I dont care how a player scores as long as its consistent. It doesnt have to look good

by focuslja on Jan 18, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Haha, we all know that you like everything you say, focus

I always liked Timmy Duncan’s ability to use the glass. I don’t know that Biyombo is ever going to excel as a face up jump shooter even with the glass as his friend. He’s got the length to shoot over people and the work ethic to improve his shot, so I could be surprised in the future.

by Basketball Rambler on Jan 18, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

It doesnt even have to be face up

Hell, use the hook shot off the glass. Just aim gently for the square. It’ll go in everytime.

by focuslja on Jan 19, 2012 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Once good ole’ Tim calls it quits, maybe he could come tutor Biyombo for his good friend MJ.

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by FirstCat on Jan 18, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure.

Any semeblance of consistent offense from Biyombo would be excellent. As far as I’m concerned, we drafted him for his defense and rebounding, so if he can develop any actual offensive skills I’d be thrilled. If he can’t, it’s not that big of a deal. Not setting my expectations very high for his offense.

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 18, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Here are some quick tallying I did

Biyombo was matched up against Dwight for about 13:43 last night.

Biyombo’s stats against Dwight: 5 points (2-2 FG), 1 ast, 5 reb (1 OReb), 3 PF
Dwight’s stats against Biyombo: 8 points (3-6 FG), 1 ast, 5 reb (2 OReb), 1 PF, 1 tech

(each player had some blocks during this time, but neither had blocks on each other, so I neglected to include them. I also didn’t use fouls that they had on other players during this time, if they had any)

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by Ben Swanson on Jan 18, 2012 10:14 AM EST reply actions  

Interesting work.

How did Biyombo score his points in this span? Where these his fast break buckets?

by Basketball Rambler on Jan 18, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

the first was slipping Howard after setting a screen for Kemba and receiving the dish after beating Howard inside. The second has a hook shot over three guys.

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by Ben Swanson on Jan 18, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

*was

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by Ben Swanson on Jan 18, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

From that one hook shot, I can easily discern that he will become the best offensive center to ever breathe

including centers that have never taken a breath, well, that’s another story

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by Ben Swanson on Jan 18, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Seems like a mathematically acceptable conclusion.

I think everyone would agree that one play is enough of a sample size to determine anything you need to determine about Biyombo’s game.

by Aisander D on Jan 18, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 18, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

There was one of the shots that Dwight missed.....

where the Magic announcers were wondering if Biyombo actually did block the shot. I really believe we have to give Biyombo 10 shots a game around the post. Biyombo is a quick learner, throw him in their and teach him his mistakes, and let him figure out on his own other things that need figuring. He has a very nice touch inside, only Diaw’s is better for this team.

by Mr Goodlove on Jan 18, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Also

It must be said, given how down we’ve all been on Tyrus of late, that was an absolutely beautiful pass he made to Kemba on the break in the second half.

by djwilliams11 on Jan 18, 2012 10:46 AM EST reply actions  

YES

that was a Magic Johnson-esque pass, haha

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by Ben Swanson on Jan 18, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I loved that quick move he made to the lane and finishing with a strong dunk.

At least, I think that was him.

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 18, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Bismack and Tyrus can be a solid frontcourt pairing

They both need developing but I saw glimpses of what could be a good duo with them together. Bismack has a very nice touch around the rim, he knows his role and plays within himself. He hits the boards hard and tries to block everything. Bismack seems to be further developed than GM’s led me to believe with their draft combine assessments of him. The thing that really got me was how strong this kid is, he actually defended Dwight Howard very well which tells me this kid can actually be a starting center in this league. His play against the best big man in basketball, as a rookie, was very iimpressive.

Tyrus needs just as much work as the rookie. Tyrus needs to be put in position to play to his strengths. He should never be 15+ feet away from the rim, ever! He does have a nice shot but it seems that so far this season he’s been off, I think that his coming to camp under weight hurt him because he doesn’t have the lift which seems to be why his shots are short and he had that issue with fatigue 2 games in. I think Tyrus needs to add 20-30 pounds of muscle, and he needs to be confined to running pick and rolls, and staying no further than 10 feet away from the rim. If he does that, we can have a a very good frontcourt pairing with these two. But Silas has to be a teacher. This is a young team with young guys, even though Tyrus is 25 with 6 years in the league he was a raw player coming out of LSU, and he’s had 6 different coaches so far his career. While we experimented with him at SF, he should’ve been learning how to play his natural role. Tyrus hasn’t scratched the surface of what he can be, this team is rebuilding and in the middle of a tank season, you paid the guy alot of money to be here, now it’s the coaches job to develop him properly. Him coming into camp underweight and seeing the way he’s regressed tells me that he hasn’t been advised about his shortcomings and how he can improve his game to be a full time starter in this league.

by Mr Goodlove on Jan 18, 2012 12:47 PM EST reply actions  

*Bismack + Anthony Davis

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by FirstCat on Jan 18, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

I like Mullens but honestly if we get Davis or Drummond I think Mullens would be best served coming of the bench. Im not sold on BJ as a starter yet but I definatley have seen enough for him to be Bobcat for life and contend for multiple 6th man of the year awards.

by TS BOBCAT on Jan 18, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

We would have a monster front court.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 18, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Mullens would be a stud coming off the bench where offense can often be more key than defense.

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by FirstCat on Jan 18, 2012 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with all of that.

Tyrus is begining to tire me out though.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 18, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I honestly think Jordan has his sights set on Harrison Barnes this draft

I don’t really know what to think of Davis, I’ve only seen like two of his games and from what I’ve seen he was also kind of thin and didn’t do much offensively. Actually, Davis was similar to Tyrus as they were both rookies who had late growth spurts, the difference being Davis was recognised in high school and was properly groomed to be a big man while Tyrus kind of went below the radar and broke out in the NCAA tourney as a raw big.

I undesrtand the frustration with Tyrus though, I just think he should be properly taught the game before he’s dumped for another player. We’ve invested in the guy Jordan and company knew what they were getting when they traded for him, now they have to do their jobs and develop him. Larry Brown wanted to groom him but then when he saw the direction the team was going he wanted out. The potential is their, no doubt, somebody has to help him put it all together though.

by Mr Goodlove on Jan 18, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

That's the entire reason I still have a small soft spot

for him. I don’t think anyone has worked with him on being a real big man like they need to.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 18, 2012 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Depending on whose left on the boards

if we pick Harrison Barnes, Im gonna be PISSED. MKG is better at this point. And its a few players in the league “rotting” (and Im NOT talking about TWILL) that will probably be better than Barnes. Barnes reminds me of Luol Deng-lite. He posesses the all the skill. But one thing Deng has is heart and fight. Barnes doesnt. And if we pick Barnes, Im just gonna throw my hands up at MJ.

by focuslja on Jan 19, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

That's my problem with Barnes

He doesn’t seem to have that consistent fire. He can turn it on when it matters most, but I don’t want a player who only gives it his all at certain times.

by JDeLong42 on Jan 19, 2012 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Just like everyone else

Was happy to see Bismack get his first career double double and really stand up to Dwight on defense. Big thing with him besides the footwork is his hands and catching the ball cleanly and it was good to see him get it and finish strong a the rim.

by JPCats785 on Jan 19, 2012 12:53 AM EST reply actions  

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by stelanilina@gmail.com on Jan 20, 2012 8:13 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

Something I've always wondered is...

When can her temporary smoker retract Sports?

An impoartant question to be sure. But how do you balance hat notion against Sports railroads a sphere?

by Aisander D on Jan 21, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

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