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So Exactly What Do We Do With Augustin?

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With the 9th pick in the 2011 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select Kemba Walker out of the University of Connecticut. I'm sure we all remember the night NBA commissioner David Stern uttered those words at his world famous podium. I'm sure as hell D.J. Augustin does. It's the very same night that the entire world realized that the team's front office had lost faith in Augs and that within a matter of months, he would be the point guard for a different organization.

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I was somewhat perplexed by the Bobcats deciding to go this route. Augustin had no doubt been our best building block remaining on the team after the team decided to go into full rebuilding mode at the deadline when they dealt Crash away for draft picks and cap room. Why exactly did we need another point guard when we had other major holes on the roster to fill, particularly at small forward and center? Finishing the season 6th in the league in assist to turnover ratio and averaging over 14 points per game, Augustin appeared to be making the transition to starting point guard a lot more painless than any of us ever expected him to. In previous years, for me at least, Augustin was always that streaky role player who was a shooting guard masquerading in a point guard's body. Confidence issues, mostly stemming from Larry Brown and even some teammates being so hard on him, were beginning to take a toll on him and the patience of the fan base. And his defense made Raymond Felton look like one of the all time greats in that department. That is, of course until Paul Silas took over.

Fast forward to January 17th, 2012, and a lot of the fan base is asking why is Augustin still on the roster. He is still a very streaky player and horrible on defense, but I have an extremely hard time placing much of the blame on Augustin. It's hard to do that when you look up and see the kid is averaging 15.4 points, 7.4 assists, and 3.4 boards per game. But I digress. Each day, there are more and more people wanting to trade him despite his success. Which seems like it stopped mattering after June 23rd of last year when Kemba became a Bobcat.

And that's cool, in a sense. Does it make sense to trade him? Yes. Absolutely. I wouldn't dare dispute that. You have a PG of the future on the roster and D.J. is going to be due for a contract pretty soon. But does it at all make sense to keep him? Well, that my friends is where the line in the sand has been drawn for members of the site. But I remain firmly on my side that depending on what type of offers we get, we probably should. Let me explain our options and why I feel the way I do (though I'm sure you've heard it all before).

We Can Re-sign Him

This is by far the least popular option amongst the community and I do understand why it would be so. But at least let me explain why it should remain in the realm of possibility and why I feel our front office isn't as hell bent on trading him as some of the fan base believe they are.

1. Point blank and simple, Augustin is a good player. He has at times looked effective on the offensive end to be considered one of the elite scoring point guards in the NBA. Now of course, he's a very streaky player, but you can't take away the fact from him that he's very talented. And at 23, we still have another 5 or 6 years before we see the very best Augustin has to offer.

2. Augustin is a RFA. This is one point that I've made several times but yet no one seems to care. Either way, I'll make this point again so there is no confusion. We, the Charlotte Bobcats, do have a right to match ANY offer that D.J. Augustin receives. I know everyone already realizes this so I won't go any further than that with explaining the rules of restricted free agency. And I also know that the organization is in rebuilding mode and are trying to eliminate long term contracts from the payroll. But what gets me is that a lot of fans now only care about saving money. And that's cool to a certain extent. But there is also an extreme difference between keeping your team in a position to add young players like Augustin through free agency and being cheap. And from my perspective, I'm starting to feel like some of us are taking the player's actual basketball talent aspect out of the equation and are only thinking of the best ways for us to save money. And I have no interest in becoming the new age Clippers of the NBA in those regards. I also worry about what kind of discussions we'll be having about Gerald Henderson, or Walker, or Bismack Biyombo when it comes time to re-sign these players. Are we going to keep trading them every time they are due for an extension because we fear over paying for them? I hate to say it, but someone is going to have to get paid eventually.

By NBA rule, teams are required to spend at least 85% of their salary cap. The salary cap for this year was reportedly just a tad over $58 million meaning we'll have to remain at the minimum of $48 million just to abide by the rules. With the way the team is currently constructed, and assuming D.J. Augustin signs his qualifying offer of $4.39 million next season, we are still sitting at $8 million (minus whatever our 1st round pick makes) below the level we HAVE to be at. That number jumps even higher if we decide to use the amnesty on Desagana Diop or Corey Maggette or if either are traded before the deadline this year and we don't take on any additional salary. For those that have completely thrown out the idea of re-signing Augustin, my simple question to you is what moves do you foresee us making just to get back to the minimum? At that stage, assuming no other big roster moves have been made, Tyrus Thomas, Kemba Walker, Reggie Williams, D.J. White (who is also a RFA next year), Gerald Henderson, Byron Mullens, Bismack Biyombo, Matt Carrol, Diop and/or Maggette would still be occupying roster spots. For this dream scenario, let's also assume that we're able to retain Corey Higgins and Derek Brown on minimum level deals again and that D.J. Augustin signs his QO. That's already 13 players under contract with only 2 roster spaces open (1 which would be our first round pick) so at the least we are going to have to sign a bench warmer to a $4 million or more deal just to reach the minimum. Are we prepared to do so?

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I know Rich Cho is a numbers guy so I'm just thinking about the numbers here. There are 5 positions in basketball, everyone knows this. And for the best way to manage those positions against the good of a team, talent and salary should be as evenly distributed as possible. So, let's just do some more simple math here and assume we're going for the minimum. That $48 million dollar we have to spend divided amongst all 5 spots puts us at $9.6 million dollars being dedicated to each position. Assuming D.J. Augustin signs his QO, that means we still have only $6.91 million of funds allocated to the PG position with Kemba Walker not being in line for an extension until 2015 at the earliest. And I can also pretty much bet the house on it that no team will offer Augustin more than $8 million a year so even if we are forced to match an offer for him, we are still only putting a little over $10 million into our PG position. Just a little something to think about for those that have such a huge fear of resigning him and having two starting caliber PGs on the roster.

3. D.J. Augustin is one of the longest tenured Bobcats we have on the roster now. That means that the fans of Charlotte have identified with him more than anyone currently on the team. And with former Bobcats like Tyson Chandler coming off of a championship win with the Dallas Mavericks and Raymond Felton and Gerald Wallace enjoying great success with the Portland Trailblazers thus far, is it really good for fan morale to see another Bobcat traded away only for them to enjoy more success on a big stage? Especially for strictly money purposes? Just a little something to consider. I know we have Kemba, but who is to say that Walker will ever be as good a player as D.J.? Or who is to say that neither can come off the bench which would immediately give us one of the stronger benches in the NBA? Or who is to say they can't coexist even though they've put that theory to bed with their play while on the court together? I'm also hearing some people talking about D.J. wouldn't be happy in Charlotte anymore. Why is that exactly? I haven't seen any attitude problems before and am not sure why they would start after the team went out of their way to show they wanted him around a little while longer. I mean, let's just think about it for the second. If we supposedly have all of these players of the future, at one point do we focus on building chemistry with the fan base and the team? We've got our PG of the future in Walker, our SG with Hendo, probably a SF with our pick next year, and the rotation of Bismack, Mullens, and D.J. White to represent a big part of our front court. At some point we're going to have to stop shipping players in and out and establish some continuity. It's a lot harder to bring in talent then retain it. And Augustin is definitely a talent worth building on.

We Can Trade Him

Now none of my ranting above is to say that we shouldn't trade D.J. Augustin if the right deal came along. Hell, by that theory, everyone on the roster should be deemed trade-able if it's in the best interest of the team and there is a clear upgrade. But the frustrating part about all of this is that fans have been throwing out deals that would be completely unfair for us (25th pick in the draft?) because they are so intent on trading one of the few bright spots on our team because it's time for him to be paid. I've also heard several unrealistic scenarios concerning certain teams offering D.J. a boatload of money in this point guard heavy league, but haven't taken into account that not everyone has money to spend or are looking for an upgrade at the point. So, here is a little rosterbation to see what we're really up against here using all the other 29 teams in the NBA...............

Atlanta Hawks- They have a Kirk Hinrich who is expiring and Jeff Teague who they seem to like a lot. They may be in the market for a point if they decide not to bring back Hinrich, but will still be over the cap making it impossible for them to make an offer to D.J. They also have no one that would interest the Bobcats if we are going according to plan. You can cross these guys out.

Boston Celtics- The Celtics have Rajon Rondo as their point guard of the future who is locked up an an escalating contract through 2015. They could use a backup with Keyon Dooling coming off of the books, but they'll have so many other holes in their roster that I doubt a backup PG would be a top priority.

Chicago Bulls- Derrick Rose will no doubt sign an extension there and the Bulls will be way over the cap next year. The only deal we would be remotely interested in is a D.J. for Omer Asik deal, but I'm not sure Chicago would be ready to part with the young big man.

Cleveland Cavaliers- The Cavs can be crossed out before we even start talking about them. Kyrie Irving is their clear point guard of the future and they also have Daniel Gibson and Ramon Sessions backing him up. They are deep enough as it is.

Dallas Mavericks- The Mavericks are one team that could possibly make a run for D.J. if they fail on their plan of signing Derron Williams. Problem is, even if they don't, Jason Kidd and Rodrique Beaubois are on the roster as well so they are ok there. I think Dominique Jones and a 1st round pick would be a sufficient return for D.J. though if they ever went that route.

Denver Nuggets- Ty Lawson and Andre Miller occupy spots in Denver right now. They could have a hole if Miller leaves and he has suggested that he's not happy at all being a backup so that may be the case. They have a lot of salary issues to work out, but I could see us trading D.J. and Maggette for Miller, Corey Brewer, and Kosta Koufos.

Detroit Pistons- You can cross these guys off as well. Joe Dumars has a love jones for Rodney Stuckey and they just drafted Brandon Knight. They won't be in the market.

Golden State Warriors- Seth Curry, Monta Ellis, Nate Robinson and Klay Thompson fill up the talented but bad on defense back court for the Warriors. Mark Jackson is trying to change the culture of the franchise so I doubt he's in the market for another undersized player, but if they wanted to Ekpe Udoh would be a sufficient return at this stage.

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Some point guards like Kyle Lowry of the Rockets are becoming franchise players

Houston Rockets- The Rockets already have Kyle Lowry, Goran Drajic, and Johnny Flynn under contract. They will be way under the cap next year, but will also have a lot of players to resign. With Lowry looking like their PG of the future, they won't be throwing out "starter money" in free agency, but Flynn will be locked up for an extra year on his rookie salary so if the front office feels the same way about D.J. as a lot of fans though, a trade for him may be one of our only lateral options in the league.

Indiana Pacers- The Pacers have Darren Collison and George Hill under contract, but could very well be a threat to sign D.J. in free agency as they look on improving their team. I just don't see these guys offering much more than than our qualifying offer for him though. I doubt he would come in and be the starter over Collison who is pretty good himself, but I could be wrong.

Los Angeles Clippers- I don't even have to say anything about these guys. They have Chris Paul, Mo Williams, and Eric Bledsoe, and Chauncey Billups on the roster right now, so they won't be looking at point guards in free agency. What they need is a real shooting guard.

Los Angeles Lakers- The Lakers desperately need an upgrade at the point, but they are NO THREAT to sign D.J. away from us because they'll still be millions over the cap next year. There also isn't a player on their roster the Bobcats would be remotely interested in. But for the sake of the trade D.J. Army, Matt Barnes, Devin Ebanks, and a 1st round pick should be the very least we ask for D.J.

Memphis Grizzlies- Mike Conley is the point guard of the future for the Grizzlies and just signed an extension not too long ago. They also have a few players like Mareese Speights, Darrell Arthur, and O.J. Mayo to work out extensions with of their own, so I don't see them diving into free agency to pay a backup point guard starter money. They also don't have anyone they would be willing to part with or we would be interested in for compensation for D.J.

Miami Heat- The Heat are moving forward with Norris Cole as their point guard and will not have anything to offer D.J. other than $2.5 million mid level deal. Not happening.

Milwaukee Bucks- Brandon Jennings, Shaun Livingston, and Beno Udrih all occupy spots on the roster. But Shaun Livingston and a 1st round pick for D.J. would be a good trade for us both in the present and the future as we'll get that lock down defender back on the perimeter. Other than that though, I can't see them spending their precious little cap room on a backup PG in free agency. Jennings is still high on the Buck's confidence list.

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Some teams, such as the Wolves, won't be in the market for a PG at all

Minnesota Timberwolves- Ricky Rubio, Luke Ridnour, and J.J. Barea have things on lock in Minnesota. Cross them off the list.

New Jersey Nets- The Nets could become a SERIOUS threat to sign D.J. away if they lose Derron Williams in the opening days of free agency. This is a team ready to spend and spend big. If they're able to retain him, I think they'll shift their attention elsewhere is Jordan Farmar is a decent backup. But I think they'll do everything they can to keep him and don't believe they will lose him. Therefore, I can't see them trading for D.J. but I can see them making him an offer in free agency.

New Orleans Hornets- The Hornets are no doubt what I feel are the biggest threats to sign D.J. Other than him being a Louisiana native, they also only really have Jarrett Jack running the point and will be a good bit under the cap next year. If Rich Cho is worried about them though, I think a straight up trade for Al-Farouq Aminu would be good for both teams.

New York Knicks- The Knicks have a spot open for a quality starter on the team, but don't have any money to do it. They'll be stuck with Toney Douglas, Baron Davis, Mike Bibby, Iman Shumpert and whatever other point guards they can find for the minimum because they killed themselves by signing Chandler. They can be eliminated as a threat though I believe Mike D'antoni would have D.J. in consideration for an All-Star appearance.

Oklahoma City- Russell Westbrook is clearly their PG of the future and Sam Presti isn't about to throw out big money for a backup PG. Not happening.

Orlando Magic- The Magic have Jameer Nelson and Chris Duhon locked up for a couple of years and are way over the cap. I can't see them trading away any quality players for D.J. and they can't sign him as a free agent. Earl Clark and Daniel Orton for D.J. would get the job done for me though.

Philadelphia 76'ers- This team has Jrue Holiday (pretty good player on rookie contract) and Louis Williams (decent backup making over 6 million per) locked in for a little while so I can't see them throwing big money at D.J. in free agency or making a trade for him.

Phoenix Suns- The Suns could also become a huge threat to sign D.J. if Steve Nash leaves town when he finally has the opportunity next year. Sebastian Telfair and Aaron Brooks (eventually) will factor into the equation, but they could be left with a big hole at the point. Jared Dudley or Robin Lopez for D.J. would work for me.

Portland Trailblazers- Could D.J. be the third former Bobcat to join the Blazers will Felton and Wallace? Maybe. They'll have room. But I doubt Chad Buchanon is bold enough to throw big money at Augs. Plus with Patty Mills always around looking for a spot on the team, I think they could be considered a threat, but a very minimal one.

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Thompson would be a sufficient return for Augustin

Sacramento Kings- They don't have any true point guards really, and could be deemed a threat to offer D.J. a contract in free agency as well. They have a glut of players I would take in a trade for D.J. if we felt compelled to deal him this year though. I would take Jason Thompson straight up, Donte Greene and a couple of 2nd round picks for D.J., or even Travis Outlaw or J.J. Hickson.

San Antonio Spurs- The Spurs have Tony Parker entrenched as their starter has they have for the past several years and aren't about to pay anyone more than $6 million per year to come off the bench. Especially when they have to get Tim Duncan signed back to a more reasonable deal so that they can continue adding to their core.

Toronto Raptors- The Raptors are in a good space financially and could offer Augustin a good deal, but with Jose Calderon and Jerryd Bayless already on the roster, I don't think they go out of their way to offer a backup PG starter money. However, when you look at their team and see players like Andrea Bargnani, DeMar Derozan, and Ed Davis, and their rookie Jonas Valanciunas on their squad, you can see that they are getting close to the point of adding free agents around their young core. They can be deemed as a possible threat. But if they ever offered Davis or Derozan for D.J., it would be great deal.

Utah Jazz- Devin Harris' future in Salt Lake City seems to be a bit murky, but at this point in his career, he could still be considered a better player than D.J. Harris makes $8.5 million next year, so I'm not sure if it makes sense that they sign D.J. to starter money to come off the bench. They do need a backup, but that's why people like Jaamal Tinsley and Earl Watson are in the world.

Washington Wizards- John Wall is the future of the Wizards at point and drafted Shelvin Mack earlier this year, so they can safely be crossed out as anyone looking to sign D.J. to a starter's salary though they would have the room.

So, in conclusion, the teams who are threats to steal D.J. away from us are- Dallas, New Jersey, New Orleans, Phoenix, Portland, Sacramento, Toronto, and Utah.

However, we also have to consider that Augustin won't be the only point guard on the market. Hoopsworld has put a list together of all the free agents available next year.

So, let's all discuss exactly what should we do with D.J. Augustin.

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What Should We Do With D.J. Augustin?
Trade him before the deadline for best deal possible, we can't risk losing him for nothing.
96 votes
Attempt to resign him.
51 votes

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This is getting annoying

We need to trade him. Kemba is the future of this orginization and that is just the way it is. Why do you guys want to keep a player that really doesnt want to be here anymore because like you said he realized when we drafted Kemba he was not the long term answer. Why should we pay him tostay here and delay Kembas development? It just seems idiotic to me not to trade him. No we do not need to trade away every good player and I think its silly for you to bring up what we will do when Kemba, Gerald, or Byron are expiring when it will not be the same situation. Those guys will not have great players waiting to lead this team under them like DJ has Kemba under him and we will not mind paying a person that is our future starter the money they are looking for.

by TS BOBCAT on Jan 17, 2012 7:20 PM EST reply actions  

I'll need to see some

Kind of evidence suggesting DJ no longer wants to be here. I’m never one to assume anything when it comes to people’s feelings. That’s just as bad as saying everyone wants to play for the Knicks or Lakers. And are DJ White and Tyrus Thomas not delaying Biyombos development? Is Corey Maggette not delaying Derek Browns development? What’s the difference? And what makes you sit here and say we won’t have anyone to develop under those other guys? Say we draft Rivers, or Drummond, or Sullinger? What does that do for Bismack and Hendo? They will eat up playing time as well. I’m not following you on how you say that will be a totally different situation. And you failed to address the primary question of where we spend the money next year to get at 85%. Sounds like you would rather have a scrub making 5 instead of DJ making 7 as long as it’s not interfering with Kembas development. I put out all the numbers and scenarios and you still didn’t come with a reasonable response. You can say trade him, but add to it. I’m also not sure why it would “annoy you” to suggest we keep one of our more talented players and half of the article is dedicated to trading him, so you need to calm down.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 17, 2012 7:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Why dont you calm down

You made this article you should have thick enough skin to take some critisism damn dude chill the fuck out. I also know I didnt address the primary question because I did not intend to I was just sharing my opinion on trading DJ, sorry for not following your strict guidelines. Also no TT and Wjite are not delaying BB development they because BB needs to spend time on the bench more then Kemba does and how are you going to compare Kemba to Brown as far as potential. Dude I thought you were one of the cool ones but your being a jerk for no reason.

by TS BOBCAT on Jan 17, 2012 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol. How am I the one that needs to calm down?

I didn’t realize that I’m the one that came in talking about how “annoyed” I was. And I also don’t realize how you expect someone to act all nice and crap after they are told they are annoying someone by talking about the team and future moves. You’re also the one cussing kid. So I really think you need to reevaluate the entire situation because if anyone in here needs to calm down, it’s you. The reason I point out you not addressing the question is because you simply didn’t. Offer some new insight, suggest a trade, make a prediction, whatever. Don’t just come in taking about how annoyed you are without addressing the situation at hand because you really added nothing new to the discussion or the best way to handle things. Saying Bismack needs to spend time on the bench is crazy also. I understand you saying he isn’t as ready to play as Kemba is but playing in the actual game HELPS no matter where you are at in your career. I didn’t compare anyone’s potential either. I said they were all developing and could all use more playing time. Whether its Kemba, Hendo, or Brown, they are all developing and could use extended playing time. I also don’t get where this “jerk” talk is coming from as I haven’t said one word out of the way to offend you, so I really think you need to relax. This is the Internet. We are Bobcat fans, we are all on the same team. You have an attitude because you’re in the camp of wanting to get rid of DJ for any tangible object and you disagree with the tone of my argument. That’s cool. I don’t take offense to that. You still cool in my eyes. I dont get rowdy over this stuff. But I also don’t take kindly to anyone telling me that I am annoying them by creating a post I never asked them to read either.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 17, 2012 8:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

How am I the one insulting you I never said anything to you that shoudl offend you

I never said I was annoyed with you I just dont see the point in keeping him. Im not annoyed by your post I thought it was a nice post and I was going to compliment you on it before you had to attack me like everyone seems to do for no reason. I dont understand why I have to talk about exactley what you want to its not like I was off topic. I was expressing my opinion on how we should trade DJ and you took it personal. Im sorry but I did nothing wrong here you got insulted for no reason.

by TS BOBCAT on Jan 17, 2012 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Well I apologize then.

Maybe I put too much emphasis on you using the word annoyed that I felt you were taking a shot at me. But hey, anyone can disagree with me. Hell, I’m not 100% committed to either choice. That’s why I posted two sides of the argument. I guess the only debate here is what is a fair deal for him at this point with his contract situation. I just don’t feel a late first round pick is a sufficient return.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 17, 2012 8:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I feel like it is in this draft

I mean the bottom line is not that great. I love DJ and he is a very good player and starting quality but I feel some of use are overvaluing him if they think a first round pick isnt good enough. If you go around to every fan page I think most would agree with me that a 1st in this draft is pushing it. Most players in this draft will at least become solid role player.

by TS BOBCAT on Jan 17, 2012 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, there will be some solid role players.

But I think DJ is a solid, 6th man caliber player. And first round picks do sound like they are worth a lot by just having “first round”, but those bottom of the round picks that are only a few spots from second round picks aren’t really valued as highly as some suggest. Keep in mind, the Lakers traded Sasha Vujacic and a first round pick for a washed up Joe Smith to the Nets.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 17, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough

As long as Kemba stasts I really dont care if DJ stays. But I dont trust Silas to make the right call in benching DJ if he needs to be, look how long it took him to bench Boris.

by TS BOBCAT on Jan 17, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah.

Silas has made a few lineup adjustments this year that have had me scratching my head.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 17, 2012 11:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I think someone in the front office is in his ear.

Some of the rotation decisions don’t seem basketball related.

by milky C on Jan 18, 2012 8:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah,

I think that the front office wants Tyrus on display. I don’t know if it’s to boost his trade value or just because they feel they need him to succeed. But I think you’re right. Silas said Tyrus would have to earn his minutes after getting back and we seen how he was immediately reinserted into the starting lineup. Silas isn’t the type to contradict himself like that. Either he’s getting old and senile, is a blatant liar nowadays, or is on direct orders from the GM and owner to get Tyrus as much p.t. as possible.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 18, 2012 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Haha, if they think playing Thomas at the 3 is going to up his trade value...

Well, you know.

I think Silas recognized that Thomas deserves to be in the rotation and he made the most sense to move down to the 3 out of all our PFs.

by Basketball Rambler on Jan 18, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Lol.

I really wish Thomas would do something about his weight. It seems like he’s bigger than he was when he first came back, but he’s still a walking, talking toothpick. He probably lost weight on purpose to try out for SF.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 18, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

He thinks he’s Kevin Durant now since they are the same size.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 18, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

It gives me the shivers everytime I think about it.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 18, 2012 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Remix!

Oh hai Tyrus Thomas starting over DJ White

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by Newsinz on Jan 18, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Do you reall Kemba wants to be DJ's backup?

Think about if we resign DJ when Kemba’s contract expires he is going to leave our ass and go somewhere and be a star. Its already hard enough to keep great players in a small market do you really think he will stay here and back up DJ, No he wont, come on people be smart.

by TS BOBCAT on Jan 17, 2012 7:24 PM EST reply actions  

Lol. You're that

Concerned about people leaving Charlotte 4 years from now that you would trade a young talent away now just to keep them happy? There is nothing wrong with having a DEEP team. These superstars got y’all shook up too much. Kemba can’t leave for years. He is under contract.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 17, 2012 7:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

So why piss him off now?

Why not just let Kemba be the starter now and keep him progressing and let DJ move on to somewhere that he will be the future. Do you not think Kemba will be pissed of siiting behind DJ for 4 years? If you want to keep DJ so bad then he needs to back up Kemba.

by TS BOBCAT on Jan 17, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I've suggested

Several having the lesser performing of the two lead the second unit. I don’t care if it’s DJ or Kemba. The team’s success is what I’m concerned with more. I never suggested sitting Kemba for DJ the entire duration of his contract. I never even suggested keeping DJ here the entire time if we did resign him. He could still be traded at any time ya know? Just because we resign him doesn’t mean it’s a lifetime contract. I’m merely thinking of the best way to get a good value for one of our most proven assets. And in some cases, the best thing you can do is hold on to what you have. The pressures of paying DJ shouldn’t tempt the front office into getting rid of him in a panick when we are so healthy cap wise. Like I said, the money is going to have to go somewhere. If our entire starting lineup are on rookie salaries then someone on the bench is going to have to get starter money just for us to be at the minimum. That is the entire point.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 17, 2012 8:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

You seemed to imply benching Kemba for the duration

But tell me what happens if a team is looking to pay him big money which is possible the way we are playing and we are not willing to. Then what happens, You have to cosider every risk when you let a player go into FA even when it is RFA. We could end up with nothing if we dont trade him is the only thing Im trying to say. And if we resign him and whether we start DJ or Kemba one will be upset and I dont know why we want to intentionally make a disgruntled player.

by TS BOBCAT on Jan 17, 2012 8:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure either player would be disgruntled.

Kemba could very well turn into a star and then become a diva in those regards. But I don’t see it happening with him anytime soon or DJ ever. And I have taken into account the possibility of us losing him for nothing. But that would be based on a team offering him a big contract which we would refuse to match. With so many good unrestricted point guards hitting the market next year, I just don’t see anyone pitching a huge deal to him at this stage at his performance level.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 17, 2012 9:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I dont think either will be openly displeased

But they are both NBA players with the mentality they are starters. Someone is not going to be happy

by TS BOBCAT on Jan 17, 2012 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

That's possible.

In my opinion though, , I think we’ll have a little time for that as Kemba is still a rookie and D.J. hasn’t really proven himself to be worthy of a starting position with his defensive flaws. It’ll be interesting to see how it all plays out. If we do trade D.J. though and are unable to get a good pick for him, I’d rather go after a young proven talent that plays another position. I’m confident Cho will find a good deal for him if that’s what it comes to.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 17, 2012 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Sweet jesus this is an extensive post.

Well done CB.

Frankly, I do think we’re going to need to think long and hard about whether Kemba Walker will be the eventual presumptive starter at PG.

I do not think that starting two guys under 6 feet makes sense in the long run. So something has to give. Personally I believe we should try to let the pieces of this young core continue to develop. And when the time is right, pull the trigger on a trade for either Kemba or DJ.

I believe that we may re-sign DJ and wait a year or more before trading him.

by Aisander D on Jan 17, 2012 11:03 PM EST reply actions  

Lol. I appreciate it.

Didn’t mean for it to get that long. And the size thing is what’s the biggest issue for me and why I do feel compelled to move DJ. Looking at the numbers, I think it’s realistic we resign him. And they haven’t looked bad when they have been on the floor together. At one point though, I think the size disadvantage will begin to stick out like a sore thumb and the fans will start demanding a change. I just haven’t seen it kill us yet, though im sure it could be easily exposed in a playoff series or something.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 17, 2012 11:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I just want to clarify to this to all

We are not starting two PGs under 6 feet tall. DJ is 5’11" and Kemba is 6’1". They are both undersized, but it is incorrect to say they’re both under 6 feet.

This isn’t directed at you specifically Aisander. It’s just something I’ve seen frequently.

by JDeLong42 on Jan 17, 2012 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL I know....

Though technically, Kemba measured 5’11.5" without shoes, but no one plays basketball professionally without shoes, so we can toss that out.

But you are more correct in stating that we are starting two undersized PGs.

by Aisander D on Jan 17, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol,

or maybe D.J. is really 5’7 and Kemba is 5’9. The NBA has been known to lie about such things. I didn’t realize Kemba was 6’1 though. He’s only a couple inches shorter than what would be considered a big PG so he should be fine. D.J. is still a baby.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 18, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree.

These past few games he has seemed to turn it on. I like the small ball line up of DJ, Kemba, and Hendo, but that’s not going to be too effective over the long haul. I think D.J. is slowly eased into a sixth man role as the trade deadline approaches.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 18, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I could potentially see a situation playing out like the one with Felton and DJ.

We’ll have to let DJ walk if he can get more money than he’s really worth. I think Cho will be a little more creative though, and he’ll hopefully make sure we get some value in return.

by Basketball Rambler on Jan 18, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I certainly hope so.

Losing Felton for nothing set us back a good bit as far as managing assets go. We can’t let that happen again. I don’t think we ever really planned on resigning him after that Magic series though.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 18, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Excellent post, CB.

The thought, time and energy you spent on it really shows. I certainly appreciate the in-depth look at the counter-argument to my own opinion.

I still believe we trade him. I’m not sold that we should spend money just to keep him around IF Kemba is our future starting PG. I believe that Kemba will be our future starting PG, so I believe we should get rid of DJ.

But, that leaves us with a problem for how to get over the minimum. MJ is one to swing for the fences. He’s a gambler; it’s what he does. So, if I am MJ, I approach this with a “win it all” mentality: I go for the superstars. Yeah, it’s not likely to happen. No need to argue with me Focus. BUT – I think MJ will try for it. So what happens when he inevitably fails? Well, he has to overpay someone to get us over the minimum. Not hard to do: front-load contracts or just give out one-year deals big enough to put us at the minimum, thus saving salary cap for the next year. Eventually we’ll get that superstar. Or we’ll draft ’em. Or our young guys will become big enough that we have to pay them. One of those will happen.

Side note: I’m not sure if it is possible, but can you re-write the contracts to offer our current players a bigger salary (including rookie contracts) without tampering with the RFA contract that comes afterward? I mean, let’s look at Hendo. He expires next year (I think) before becoming a RFA. Could we work with him to pay him $3m extra next year, thus boosting our salary for the salary cap purposes, but without wrecking the RFA status that he will have after that year? I would think so, but I’m no salary cap expert.

Anyway, my point is that there are ways for us to stay at the minimum while still giving us a chance to really hit a home run. That’s what I expect MJ to do: swing like a power-hitter. And power-hitters don’t tend to ground out that much … they’ll either hit the home run or strike out.

by Tim Rudisill on Jan 18, 2012 12:45 AM EST reply actions  

I appreciate it homey.

I meant to only spend about 15 minutes sharing my thoughts about D.J. in a thread. Next thing you know it turned into an entire hour and I had ended up having no time to play Call of Duty or 2K12 as I had to go get my girl from work, and of course, spend the rest of the day with her. I still want to play my X Box though. Lol.

In my heart, I believe that D.J. is ultimately moved just because I know how much Jordan wants Kemba to be the superstar and how much he wants Charlotte to have a face to the franchise. That’s kinda hard to do when two of your best players play the same spot.

And I appreciate your insight into the situation and think you may be on to something. Jordan will no doubt go after one of the big guns in free agency. I’m sure he’ll strike out as most of those guys seem to have their minds made up about potential destinations. (Now Dwight is trying to nutride the Clippers). But that is a very good way of getting back to the minimum if we have to. Much like the Warriors gave Kwame that 7 million, we could probably overpay for a average player one a 1 year deal so there isn’t any real harm though. That’s a very good suggestion.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 18, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

job well done

ROF needs more posts like these. I’m a big fan of Pinstripe Alley and have grown used to seeing quality posts, often based in advanced statistics. I’ve been disappointed, overall, to find that ROF doesn’t really have many substantive posts besides game recaps and previews – at least on its front page. Thanks for provoking my thoughts!

BTW – I agree with almost everything you said. I like DJ a lot, but this may be a good time to sell high.

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by goyanks69 on Jan 18, 2012 12:56 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks homey.

I used to post a lot back in the day but I got a lot busier with my work schedule and haven’t really had any time. I finally got a small vacation this week and that’s why I’ve posted 2 of them. Lol. I’ll go back to doing nothing for a few months as I’m sure I won’t get another one anytime soon.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 18, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

no doubt - you shouldn't be the only one doing it

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by goyanks69 on Jan 18, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Haha, I'm trying to as well.

Thinking about writing a piece about Tyrus Thomas in the next couple days.

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 18, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Just as long as it's not suggesting giving

Thomas an offseason to work on his shooting so he can be a permant SF.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 18, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Not at all haha.

Even as probably the last, and only, person who has hopes for TT, so I feel obligted to write something.

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 18, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol. I have some hope for Tyrus left.

Very little though. I could use a little inspiration.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 18, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

this

Boone Logan is a good boy. So is David Robertson. Team A.J.

by goyanks69 on Jan 18, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd be fine with either

D.J. is playing great ball this year, and I’d hate to see him go, but I have to admit that Kemba + a wing (either a young player or through a draft pick) is better than D.J. + Kemba, perhaps not in overall talent, but in terms of making sense on this team. I’m beginning to think that a 3 is really the big missing piece on this squad – let’s get one and let the core develop.

by djwilliams11 on Jan 18, 2012 8:07 AM EST reply actions  

I totally agree.

At this point, I’m fine with adding another good young wing and a PG that’s a good passer and good on defense (I want Liv back). I’m also sure that a SF is our biggest weakness by far now and I would’ve loved to taken Barnes with our top pick a few months back, but I’m really beginning to question exactly how good he is. I seen Dwayne Wade in a him last year, up to this point I’m seeing Marvin Williams pt. 2.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 18, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Totally agree with DJwilliams on this

I like Augustine, but there is a little overkill with DJ + Kemba. I liked the balance we had when we had a different look, like Livingston who was taller and a matchup problem. Wings and Experience is our main deficiencies, but both of them could be fixed in1- 2 years with our young team and some more Cho Moves. If we move DJ, I hope its for a taller PG or a move that lets us possibly move up in the draft to get a 3 such as Kidd Gilchrist or Harrison Barnes. The 3 of the future can be coupled with Jamison, who already expressed interest in playing with us. Bismack/Mullens at the 5, and you have another complimentary postion where one excels in defense and the other offense. This is not a pipedream and its a rather young core that can win

1) Kemba, Livingston
2) Henderson
3) (Kidd Gilcrist / Barnes), Jamison
4) Tyrus, DJ White
5) Mullens, Biyombo

According to several sources, I believe Diaw is on the way out and is currently on the block.

by hyruleyou on Jan 18, 2012 8:52 AM EST reply actions  

Yea but Henderson can't make up for below average D at both the PG and the SF.

I’d like to hear about the sources looking to ship Diaw. I hope like hell we don’t take on a long-term contract if we trade him.

by Basketball Rambler on Jan 18, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I tried trading him on 2K.

It’s going to be really tough. With the large sum of money he’s due, it’s tough to find someone who has the ability to take him on without us taking on some real money back. The only place I see being capable is trading with ATL for Hinrich + a pick, but I can’t see them goving that up for Diaw alone.

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 18, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

If we could get an expiring and and 2nd round pick for Diaw at this point

I think that’d be a coup.

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 18, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

MJ would only do that if he wanted to sell the pick to pay of a gambling debt.

by Basketball Rambler on Jan 18, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

If we can get a second round pick while getting an expiring

I don’t see why we wouldn’t do it. We could sell the pick for more money. It would be like letting Boris expire, plus getting more money. It might be hard to pull off though, and I wouldn’t be surprised if we simply waited for him to expire.

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 18, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Well that's the point I was making

That deal is only more than a lateral move in that it could potentially put more money in MJ’s pocket.

by Basketball Rambler on Jan 18, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah,

with Diaw back to playing like crap it’s going to be hard to get a decent deal for him. At this point, an expiring of a bench warmer and a late first round or 2nd round pick is all we can get for him. Maybe not even a late fist rounder now.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 18, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

just out of curiosity

Does anyone else kinda think that Diaw is tanking on purpose? I know it sounds odd in a contract year but if he lowers his value enough, the cats cant trade him to just any team, so he can walk at the end of the year no worries. Yes he could still walk after being traded, but that would also require buying/renting a house for 2-3 months then moving again. He comes across as the kind of guy that wants stability until its absolutely necessary.

I mean he started the season strong, but once rumors started to spread that he was on the block he started playing worse and then got moved to the bench. Coincidence?

by jovox on Jan 20, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I had actually wondered that...

Then I remembered it was Diaw…and Silas is making moves that are for the best of the team.

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by andrewlail76 on Jan 20, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Diaw doesn't care about anything,

so I doubt he cares about where his future lies.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 20, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

We better not.

I’ll be pissed.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 18, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

IMO,

Kidd Gilchrist>>>>>>Barnes. And I’m like you, I think we had the perfect PG combination with Augustin and Livingston and it could be the same with Walker and Livingston. I don’t know if I’m being overly homer about S.L., but it seems like that dude’s skill was so rare combined with that height. He shouldn’t be buried on a bench anywhere.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 18, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Jamison would be a good player to give a big 1 hear contract to to reach the salary floor.

He might be able to teach Tyrus how to play in the post.

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 18, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah.

Jamsion would be an excellent choice to do that if we go that route. I can see us picking him up for a 1 year, 5 or 6 million dollar deal (sometimes it still amazes me they get paid so much to play ball).

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 18, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Hell naw. Thats too much there

by focuslja on Jan 18, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Lmao.

I know right. I’m a source as well.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 18, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm going to answer this piece by piece as I read through it:
I also worry about what kind of discussions we’ll be having about Gerald Henderson, or Walker, or Bismack Biyombo when it comes time to re-sign these players.

Completely different situation than the one DJ finds himself in. These are players who, currently, have no younger or more talented depth behind them, and in BB and Kemba’s case, they should be ready for their contract right around the time it’s time to compete for a championship. That’s comparing apples and oranges.

That’s already 13 players under contract with only 2 roster spaces open (1 which would be our first round pick) so at the least we are going to have to sign a bench warmer to a $4 million or more deal just to reach the minimum.

Fallacy. We’re already in the process of signing DJ White to a contract extension, which could very well be front-loaded so we don’t have to worry about the salary floor. Not to mention Henderson will be a RFA next season, and we could just as very well give him an extension. Rather than worrying about DJ to keep us at the salary floor, we can look at extending our current players to keep us at the salary floor.

At some point we’re going to have to stop shipping players in and out and establish some continuity. It’s a lot harder to bring in talent then retain it. And Augustin is definitely a talent worth building on.

You’re right and you’re wrong. Right now we’re still 3 years away from competing for a championship, at a minimum. Right now we’re looking for undervalued assests to help build that continuity. Resigning DJ for what he’s “worth” isn’t worth it for a rebuilding team, since he’d be a building block that is too expensive for our current goals. If we were trying to win a championship, you better believe he’d be worth whatever we want to pay him. But for now, having Kemba for 1/10 (that’s a gross approximation) of what DJ will make next year is more valuable than paying them both.

Hell, by that theory, everyone on the roster should be deemed trade-able if it’s in the best interest of the team and there is a clear upgrade.

While that’s true in theory, there is almost no deal that could be offered (unless it was a boneheaded move by another GM) that would be worth trading guys like Henderson, Walker, BB, White, or Mullens, just because they’re young, cheap, and improving.

Atlanta Hawks:
They have a first round pick that should be somewhere in the early 20s and Kirk Hinirich’s expiring contract. That should be enough for DJ if we’re planning on not matching a contract he’s offered.

Your process of looking at the teams is flawed, so I’m going to stop commenting on them unless I see something that really jumps out at me. Unless we’re getting a first or second year man, we should be in the market for draft picks and expiring contracts only if we’re going to ship out DJ, not trying to acquire players like you’re floating out there. As I posted above, we’re not looking to be signing any guys long term unless they’re undervalued, and any players we’d receive in a trade wouldn’t probably be around long enough to enjoy the fruits of our rebuilding.

When I see you float the idea of guys like Aminu and Udoh, it makes me shake my head. I appreciate your enthusiasm, but there is no way that any of those teams would trade for a guy who is essentially a rent-a-player (we’ve gone through this before, but since they’d have to resign him for more money in the offseason, he’s still a rent-a-player) and give up someone they have young, talented, and cheap for the foreseeable future. It’s just not happening.

or even Travis Outlaw

If you ever mention that we should trade for Travis Outlaw ever again, so help me God I will jump through my computer screen and give you a stern talking to young man.

Final thoughts:
Good, informative post, if a bit flawed. I’ve already given my opinion (and in my mind, the only avenue that makes sense) that he should be traded for whatever early-mid 20s pick we can get. The best course of option would be to do a three team trade where we’re giving DJ to a team like the Lakers, and then Diaw to another team, and getting a first round pick from both of them. How likely is that? I’ll just say if it happens, I’d shit my pants. Anyway, I enjoyed the read, another quality work, rec’d.

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 18, 2012 9:51 AM EST reply actions  

That's cool bro, I'll reply to you as I'm reading it. Makes things less confusing. Lol.

I agree, at the moment, it’s a completely different situation because there are no budding stars under Henderson and Bismack needs more time to develop. However, for me at least, it won’t be like that forever. We’re going to have to continue adding to the team and I don’t know if it’s clear at this stage if any of our players are long term starting material. Let’s just say for example we draft a pretty good shooting guard who comes in and is on a rookie contract and plays just as well as Henderson does and all of the sudden we’re guessing who is the better player. I foresee the same situation happening. Henderson’s starting spot would be in limbo and he may be better suited as a 6th man. Then he’s a RFA. I fear at that time it’ll be the same thing with people saying, well, Hendo is going to want that starter money so we need to move him now. I just don’t see any continuity being established using that method, but everything is hypothetical at this point, so only time will tell.

I totally agree with you on the contracts of Henderson and White. I think when it comes to building a winner, these two should have top signing priority over Augustin. White brings a level of consistency and shouldn’t cost too much with his “basic” play, and Henderson is by far our best shooting guard. Those are points that I didn’t take into account with the post and I commend you for pointing those out homey.

I’m not sure if D.J. would be too expensive for our current goals. I mean, look at Tyrus. It’s the same situation with that guy and I think D.J. is by far a more valuable player than Thomas. I just think if we’re really worrying about saving money at all costs, then he should be the first guy moved. That’s combined with the fact that his long term trade value is a lot shakier than DJ’s as he’s a bit immature and injury prone. I get what you’re saying, but I think we could make other moves first before we think about trading D.J. to stay financially healthy. I can’t wait to see the next move the front office makes. I think it’ll give us a better read on exactly how they feel about D.J. whether he is involved in it or not.

I’m not sure what is very flawed about the teams I think will be looking for a point guard in free agency. There are tons of deals that could happen that I never even mentioned. Even such things as three team deals and other things. Hell, there may be even someway the Knicks or Lakers end up with him even though I said cross them off the list. Lol. I’m ignorant to what’s going on behind the doors and I can see where you’re coming from as far as rather having a draft pick than a proven talent. I just think we’re losing a lot of value in that deal though. However, a deal like you mentioned of Hinrich AND the pick in the early 20’s I would be all over. Also I like the Denver deal a lot that I mentioned too. It would give us some young guys already on long term cheap contracts that could be valuable trade chips or role players. Koufus and Brewer I mean. And Andre Miller could set off into the sunset at the end of the year.

There are dozens of guys who are basically “rent a players”. Everyone from D.J.‘s draft class who hasn’t signed an extension already is basically a “rent a player”. We are not the only team in this situation and D.J. isn’t the only RFA in the NBA. Teams aren’t that scared off by moves like that. It happens all the time. Just look at the trade history. A RFA for RFA deal would be essentially the same thing that the Celtics and Thunder did with Jeff Green and Kendrick Perkins. And also trading for someone like Johnny Flynn isn’t out of the realm of possibliity no matter what the circumstances. D.J. is better than a lot of these guys and if they just want an upgrade and have no fear of resigning him, they’ll make a move. Maybe a deal with the Nets and Anthony Morrow? And lmao! I apologize about the Outlaw reference. But he’s on a more reasonable salary now and would still be a decent wing off the bench.

And it’s all good homey. I just appreciate you taking the time to read and sharing your thoughts. We’re all friends around here. I know I’m flawed. It’s why I don’t get paid to do this. Lol.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 18, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

(I've been out and commenting from my phone occasionally, so I'm reading this and responding for the first time)
Let’s just say for example we draft a pretty good shooting guard who comes in and is on a rookie contract and plays just as well as Henderson does and all of the sudden we’re guessing who is the better player. I foresee the same situation happening.

No, I can pretty much guarantee you that’s not going to be happening. Henderson, so far this season, is proving himself to be fairly consistent (a big problem with DJ) and there are no STUD SGs in this draft. The guys we’ll be in a position to draft will literally all either a SF, PF, or C. I guarantee it. If we get a mid-round pick for DJ and draft a SG with it, I guarantee he won’t be expected to take over the starting gig for years (because he won’t have the pedigree of a lottery pick). Therefore, I’m pretty sure Henderson is basically a lock for a contract after this season if he keeps up this production.

Those are points that I didn’t take into account with the post and I commend you for pointing those out homey.

It’s cool, I was just reminding you of those factors. There are smarter ways to reach the ceiling than saying, “Shit… we gotta sign a bunch of guys!”

I’m not sure if D.J. would be too expensive for our current goals. I mean, look at Tyrus. It’s the same situation with that guy and I think D.J. is by far a more valuable player than Thomas. I just think if we’re really worrying about saving money at all costs, then he should be the first guy moved. That’s combined with the fact that his long term trade value is a lot shakier than DJ’s as he’s a bit immature and injury prone. I get what you’re saying, but I think we could make other moves first before we think about trading D.J. to stay financially healthy. I can’t wait to see the next move the front office makes. I think it’ll give us a better read on exactly how they feel about D.J. whether he is involved in it or not.

Trust me, at this point if I could trade TT for anything with value at all, I’d be SO gungho about doing it. The problem is, he has literally no value right now. Injured, not producing, long contract. He still has some upside, but the only way we could dump him is for another bad contract. I think you’re on the money with “we can only keep one, not both.” The problem is, like I said, we can’t unload TT. That leaves DJ as the odd man out, and by process of elimination, does indeed become “too expensive for our goals.”

And I’m just going to answer everything else you with a couple statements:
1) Trading for proven talent defeats the purpose of trading DJ in the first place. We want picks so that we can get young talent for cheap. If we were to trade for other guys, they’d cost us money and take up spaces our draft picks could play.
2) Trading for other players young, talented, cheap pieces will be impossible, because they know better than doing that for a player who is a RFA and would cost more money to retain than the players they’re giving it up. It’s just simply unrealistic and will never occur, unfortunately.

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 18, 2012 8:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Like I say,

for a player like Johnny Flynn or someone of that caliber, I think the Rockets would make that deal. Flynn is still locked up on his rookie salary for a few more years but I think everyone can pretty much agree that D.J. has been a much better player up until this point in their careers. I also don’t think they would fear resigning him. That’s just my opinion though.

It’s the strategy I use on 2K all the time when I’m simulating through the franchise mode and building a team. If a player isn’t a certified star, which D.J. certainly isn’t right now, then trade that player in as much of a lateral move as you can with a team that has a player still on his rookie deal for a few more years. It keeps you with young talents. I know it’s dumb for other teams to do it, but hey, this is the NBA. There are always some idiot GMs out there somewhere.

And I agree, Tyrus’ value is shot to s*** right now. He’s going to have to get back right for us to ship him off. I think we can get an expiring contract at this point, but nothing more, if that. And I don’t think the front office is ready to make such a move anyway. One thing I can guarantee though, by 1 second after the trade deadline, we’ll be a completely different team.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 19, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Like many others, I thought drafting Kemba was a clear sign that the Bobcats had given up on DJ

This idea may indeed be true, but I don’t think it’s a given that Cho and company really had their heart set on shipping out DJ as soon as they could.

Looking at Ford’s informal tier rankings for the 2011 draft, Kemba and Leonard were the best available players when Charlotte was up at number 9. Ford’s rankings aren’t exact by any means, but they do fit pretty closely to how the draft played out. So we can assume that many teams viewed Kemba as one of the best players available at number 9. BPA trumps position needs, this is a widely held view that Cho probably followed. You may argue that Leonard fit better than Walker in this case, but let’s not forget that Charlotte had just traded away their back up PG and they were expecting Maggs to be the starter at SF. A useful SF is far easier to find than a useful PG (we picked up D. Brown fairly easily), so Walker actually may have represented the most pressing need even with DJ on the roster.

Two starting caliber PGs is one of the best problems to have for an NBA team. In hind sight, I’m not sure that the Bobcats are really feeling the need to trade DJ right now. If the right deal comes along, he’s expendable for sure, but Walker hasn’t proven that he’s the future just yet. I think the Bobcats need to play with the roster they have and focus on smart drafting and not taking on any more bad contracts. Having said that, I can’t fault anyone for talking about trading a player. Playing GM is one of the more enjoyable aspects of being a fan.

by Basketball Rambler on Jan 18, 2012 10:07 AM EST reply actions  

Lol, it's great to find someone who can agree with me.

I just think a lot more people are scared of having two good point guards on the roster than realizing that that’s a pretty good problem to have. For me, I think people are just seen that we were going cheap so now some can only think about being cheap. But being cheap was never the real goal. Getting the long term salaries of the older guys who were beginning to decline and putting ourselves in position to sign other players was the goal. Ultimately, we’re building cap room so we can afford to sign young guys like D.J. to compliment our young core. Maybe not tiny point guards, but effective young players who can also continue to grow with that core.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 18, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I think the most likely outcome is DJ leaving somehow or some way

but I’m not so sure the Bobcats went into this draft trying to replace him, and I don’t think they’re keen on getting rid of him just to get rid of him. Charlotte is always wheeling and dealing so you know DJ is on the block, but I don’t see that moving him right away is really a priority.

by Basketball Rambler on Jan 18, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh yeah,

I can’t think of any team with more of a roster turnover over the past 3 years with us. Seems like we have 3 new starters every year. I’d be chances of D.J. being traded right now at about 70/30.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 18, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Thank you sir!

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 18, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

that's a pretty good point

about picking the best available player, you hear that often with football (but there’s also so many positions there). Naturally in basketball with only 5 starting spots – you figure if you spend a top 10 pick on a guy he’s going to start at some point which is why a lot of people are figuring that DJ is gonna be gone at some point.

But I will say I’ve been pleased with how DJ has played this season, he’s kept his turnovers down (outside of this past game) and I think he’s definitely gotten better at scoring going to the hoop. I wouldn’t trade him in the immediate future unless we just got a deal too good to pass up. Kemba is logging solid minutes so DJ’s presence isn’t hindering his development and if anything it gives Kemba a chance to learn to be an NBA point guard without all the pressure of starting and running the show for us just yet.

by JPCats785 on Jan 19, 2012 1:06 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 19, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

When the day Bobcats drafted Walker,

It means DJ will leave sooner or latter. This season no matter how hard DJ tries to prove himself, everybody still says he is not good enough . But come on , what do you want from this team in this year ,the team doesnt really want to fight for the win, they just want the draft pick. DJ has a very decent number this year , he has a lot of improvements this year, but who care about him. Not many people show a little respect to him.All they care is Walker. I think he will be happy to become a New Orleans Hornets player.

by sharonkid on Jan 18, 2012 10:33 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah, we've kinda shunned him a bit.

It’s really the only reason I even bothered typing this up. I think he gets a little underappreciated nowadays and people start talking like he’s been in the league for 10 years and hasn’t done anything to get better. I just think he’s effective and I think he would fit well with the Hornets if he ever leaves us. Either way, I just want a good return for him. In my eyes, he’s still one of our most talented players.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 18, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

For DJ’s sake, PLEASE let him go. In BOBCATS, people just keep talking how annoying he is. He spends 4 years in bobcats for nothing. The team didnt win the game , it’s not dj’s fault. We dont even have a real Center, recently TT keeps sleepwalking in the court. Yes, DJ’s defense is very horrible, but he tries to improve it. I have to say, if several years later , BOBCATS still can’t go to the playoffs, they will get tired of Walker just like what they did to DJ.

by sharonkid on Jan 18, 2012 8:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Charlotte actually has

one of the most demanding fan bases in sports. But instead of booing when the team performs, they just remain quiet and stop showing up. They don’t support anything but great teams and great players. D.J. isn’t great, but he’s good, and one of the best we currently have on the roster. I don’t think a lot of people realize how good he is.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 19, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Excellent post.

I’m definitely in the “Keep D.J. Camp” (even though lately I feel like moving him may be just a matter of time), but I thoroughly enjoyed all the trade options you laid out. I trust that if/when Cho pulls the trigger, we will receive a nice bounty in return.

* sigh *

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by Newsinz on Jan 18, 2012 11:10 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks for taking the time to read all of my crap. Lol.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 18, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Trust me this isnt crap

I love when people actually put there hearts into posts

by TS BOBCAT on Jan 18, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks homey.

I’m glad me and you were able to stay civil. I again apologize about that earlier rant. I just completely misinterpreted your words. Reading things on an iPhone can sometimes cause that if you read too fast or only focus on one part. Lol.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 18, 2012 2:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Its fine

I did have a little bit of an attitude as well so I apoligize. I sometimes get to caught up in this stuff.

by TS BOBCAT on Jan 18, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

You sure? :)

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 18, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

It's all good homey.

It’s good to see passionate Bobcat fans no matter what their opinions are. In the end, we all just want to see this team win a title.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 18, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok. Random Rosterbate Material

Don’t kill me. Not advocating anything! Just throwing out possibilities to think about.

This scenario involves Bobcats/Timberwolves/Thunder

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=8xl4658

Why?
-Bobcats move Diaw and Augustin. Get a SF/PF who has…well….you know the story (expiring contract too) in Beasley. Aldrich is a big to fill a spot and possibly turn into something. ’Cats would receive some sort of pick/s from Minny/OKC as well to complete.

-Minny dumps 2 problem kids in Beasley and Wes. They get a vet expiring in Diaw and swap Wes for a solid 2 with good D who can actually contribute in Thabo.

-OKC gets Durant’s buddy to fill the hole left by Maynor’s injury. OKC wants to make a title run…..DJ would REALLY help. Also, they lose Thabo, but open up more Harden PT and bring in a prospect in Wes…and honestly, can’t you see him having better success in OKC?

Thoughts?

by mives36 on Jan 18, 2012 2:23 PM EST reply actions  

I think on principle the deal really works for all parties

but from Charlotte’s perspective, why do they take such a cance on Beasley and Cole? Super Cool certainly ups his numbers if he comes to the Bobcats, but I think he’s a guy who’ll get his numbers without adding to wins. I’d worry about adding another headache to the team. Remember that Minni was lauded for shrewdly picking him up from Miami 2 years back, but now they need to trade him. There’s a reason he’s losing his job to a rookie who is a pretty similar match in terms of talent.

For Cole, he’s a total question mark to me. I don’t know if he’s worth giving up DJ for or not.

As I said, this deal does work brilliantly in principle, but what happens if Beasley walks after this year (what if we don’t want him back)? If that happens, we traded DJ for Cole. Is that a good deal? I don’t know.

by Basketball Rambler on Jan 18, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I personally think they need switch Westbrook to the 2

And get a PG like DJ who can score and make plays for Durant. Id love that trade.

by TS BOBCAT on Jan 18, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

That's actually a very

Good package. Aldrich and Beasley, talent wise, would be a sufficient return for DJ and Boris in my eyes. I just don’t think Cho will go for a guy who is looked at as a headcase and is due for an extension. That increases the likelihood that the player already known for poor work ethic will get even worse now that he’s guaranteed himself big money. We can’t afford that on a team with already no real veteran leadership. But based on the players and situations involved, it would benefit every team.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 18, 2012 2:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Unless we're getting picks, I'm not interested.

We’re not currently in the business to be dealing for players, because any player we deal for will only be a supporting piece for a larger puzzle, and we can fill those slots with much less expensive players in the draft (who will have upside) so that when we are ready to go for a championship we can start trading for players to become an integral part to our playoff run.

Understand?

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 18, 2012 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

They are waiting on Reggie Williams!

I think they are waiting of the return of Reggie Williams. He has the best 3pt shooting besides DJ. Without a creditable outside threat you really can not move DJ. Kemba is a better defender and penetrator but DJ is definitly the better long range shooter. Out of all the teams and senerios listed above: hands down its JASON THOMPSON for me. He is 6-11 with a low-post game and decent rebounding skills. A rotation consisting of Him, Mullens, and the Biz would be the Bee’s Knees for years to come. Spinkle in Diaw for veteran leadership and the Bobcats would be on their way. I pray they make that move and the upcoming draft will make us up and coming contenders instead of wishful rebuilders.

by moboythunder on Jan 18, 2012 5:45 PM EST reply actions  

That's an interesting way of looking at it.

I never really factored in Reggie Williams’ injury. I’m a big fan of Jason Thompson’s game and think he is the player Tyrus is supposed to be.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 18, 2012 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah I made a prediction on BCP a few weeks ago that once Reggie gets healthy DJ and Boris will get traded. By then Maggette will probably be back too, so Henderson is probably forced back to SG, with Reggie getting all the backup minutes (which he definitely should). Which dramatically cuts Kemba’s minutes back to only backup PG minutes. So either he plays far less minutes which the fans (and Kemba) probably wont appreciate too much with how he’s been playing, or DJ gets his minutes cut back some, which will hurt his trade value and still doesn’t really solve anything.

by CatNation on Jan 18, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions  

That's a very good point.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 19, 2012 9:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I can’t really see us using the amnesty. We don’t seem like the kind of team thats interested in paying someone big money to play on another team

by CatNation on Jan 18, 2012 10:22 PM EST reply actions  

M.J.?

Definately not. Unless he really thinks he can land a star in free agency. The amnesty would’ve served us a lot better if we had it when we were in more peril with the salary cap.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 19, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

d rose signed a big $$ extension

did this dude just did this

by OldschoolBlue on Jan 18, 2012 10:39 PM EST reply actions  

You know what the numbers were?

I already know it’s the max.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 19, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Good post

I’m all for keeping DJ this year and try and sign him to a reasonable contract at years end. I think there will be some teams looking to him but as a second level free agent.

Kemba and DJ are both good players – I think at the moment DJ is the superior player and is having a great year, and Kemba is showing signs of being a good player with the usual rookie up’s and downs. If the right deal comes along then sure we have to upgrade, but I don’t really see any “must have” deals out there for us. Lets get through this year, use our high draft pick, sign DJ and then see where we sit and what needs we have.

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by Warmec on Jan 19, 2012 8:11 AM EST reply actions  

Totally agree.

If we trade him, I’m going to have to look at the package and say, “ok, based on D.J.’s real level of talent (without being a homer), this was a fair deal”. I just don’t see any reason for us to accept less than his true value when we really don’t have to move him in the first place. It’s not like our backs are against the wall with him. Cho is a master at asset management. Getting Mullens for a 2nd rounder, signing Williams for so low, he is known to get more value in return than he’s sending out. That’s why I don’t see us trading D.J. unless the package is a clear, fair return.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 19, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Jazz is trying to trade Devin Harris

What about trading DJ and somebody else to Jazz for Harris. It’s good for both sides.

by sharonkid on Jan 20, 2012 6:24 AM EST reply actions  

Harris is terrible.

I don’t know if it’s lingering injuries, but he’s disappeared recently. He’s also on the books for 8.5 million next year.

by milky C on Jan 20, 2012 9:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Remember last year during camp

When we thought we were getting Devin Harris for D.J. in that big Carmelo blockbuster and we were all giddy as schoolkids? Funny how things work out sometimes.

by djwilliams11 on Jan 20, 2012 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

It may be worth exploring

if they take back Tyrus as well in exchange for a draft pick. D.J. + Tyrus for Harris and 1st rounder. Harris would have to come in and come off the bench because Kemba isn’t going to be sitting after that. He would become a good trade commodity next year when all the scrub salaries fall off the books.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 20, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Lol,

I know. But if they were dumb enough………….

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 20, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe it will work for both sides

DJ can have a flash start in Jazz, and BOBCATS can have a taller point guard. There are a lot of young players in Jazz and DJ can fit in Jazz. But I think Jazz want a SG or SF more than TT。

by sharonkid on Jan 20, 2012 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

TT is a SF now.

You ain’t know?

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 20, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I know, but I think he’s not feel comfortable to play SF position.

by sharonkid on Jan 20, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Lol.

I was being sarcastic. He is awful at SF.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 20, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe It will work to trade DJ and Diaw to Jazz

by sharonkid on Jan 20, 2012 8:39 PM EST up reply actions  

sooner or later it happens Bobcats doesnt want to resign DJ, others will take action to sign him.

by sharonkid on Jan 21, 2012 2:59 AM EST up reply actions  

If we have no intention on retaining him,

I can’t see us not dealing him by the deadline.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 21, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I would be OK with us resigning DJ. All this talk about DJ being inconsistant is crazy. DJ has been our best player this year and last year as well. We need scoring off the bench that will not change DJ can score and pass as well. It would take a top 15 pick to be worth trading DJ. I dont see the point of trading him for a Veteran player unless it is for an upgrade at Center.

by Bcat2.0 on Jan 21, 2012 2:51 PM EST reply actions  

Im sure he has the internet

he see’s the rumor mill and probably reads the bigger blogs and hoops websites. He isnt stupid. Im sure he’s ready to leave. I also think he’s wondering the same thing that I am: “what the hell is taking so long to deal?”…I dont see his value going up any higher between now and the deadline. It can get lower though. If we wouldve drafted Shumpert or Cole, I dont think he wouldve minded. But the fact that we took a small guard pretty much signified DJ was out. So I think at the start of the season, DJ set out to prove that he was more battle tested and ready than Kemba. And to show other teams what they could have. Now, I think he’s tired. He’s proved his point. Trade him. End the suffering…

On another note. I think Cho is trying to get in on the “procrastination/sporatic” deals that happen near the deadline. The trades that teams make at the last minute in hopes of turning a team around, getting rid of a headcase or a quick salary dump. Which I understand. But our team is standing on crutches. From a fan perspective and a talent perspective, we are treading very thin ice. Very Thin…

by focuslja on Jan 23, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

But...

…is anyone else as excited as mee to see what the next moves are?

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by andrewlail76 on Jan 23, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Me!

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 25, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

It's possible. He is human and probably feels a certain way about things,

but he’s a professional and hasn’t shown any signs of being effected by it.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 25, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Trade idea

How about Ebanks, Goudelock and Dallas 1st rd pick for DJ? I l like DJ but can’t see him Kemba working out long term.

by Bharris on Jan 22, 2012 9:37 AM EST reply actions  

I would take it.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 25, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Augustin

for Avery Bradley and Bos 1st rd pick…

by focuslja on Jan 22, 2012 3:41 PM EST reply actions  

Lol.

I’m sure Boston will be holding on to all their draft picks now that they are almost ready to blow it up.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 22, 2012 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

a few things

LA could use DJ more than any team

DJ can help on a lot of teams coming off the bench and getting heavy rotation as a scorer and distributer. 6th men in the NBA can make quite a bit of money, too, even under the new CBA.

Boston could probably use him, even with Rondo, once they blow their team up.

If Dwight decides to leave Orlando for LA, the Bobcats (with DJ) could turn into a huge benefactor to make the trade work, particularly if getting rid of Hedo’s contract is a primary concern for Orlando at that point (whic it should be). Also, the Lakers do have Odom’s trade exception, so we could techincally trade DJ to the Lakers simply for the exception, letting us trade with a cap strapped team like Atlanta.

Getting two second round picks (next draft and a future consideration) for DJ to me would be a win for us.

I am a big fan of DJ Augustin, and maybe we can convince him to come off the bench as our 6th man. I would prefer to let him test RFA if we can’t find a suitable trade. This gives us the flexibility to allow him to test the market and see what he’s worth. If we can keep him for under 6 million a year, why not? We’ve all said his best role would be coming off the bench in heavy minutes. Perhaps he could flourish in that role.

This trade works, btw, with or without the Lakers using their trade exception. Trade machine is broken right now.

To Charlotte – Andrew Bynum, Steve Blake, JJ Reddick

To LA – Dwight Howard, Hedo Turkoglu, DJ Augustin

To Orlando – Pau Gasol, Boris Diaw, DeSagana Diop, Matt Caroll, bunch of draft picks

Orlando would have the hardest time with this trade, not getting Bynum out of the Lakers, but they do get rid of Hedo. They get Pau for what Dwight was making plus an opt-out year, but, most importantly for them, they’re gonna clear some 40 million after two seasons to start from scratch – even more if Pau opts-out. Realistically, Orlando can probably find another trade partner for Dwight than LA, one that will garner them young players, but who is gonna trade or him unless he promises an extension?

This works for LA because they get Dwight and DJ (and Hedo) without having to sacrifice their valuable trade exception.

This works for the Bobcats because they get a C to build around which lets them draft MKG or Barnes.

by adamcawa on Jan 25, 2012 1:10 PM EST reply actions  

not to mention

with the roster Orlando would be looking at, they would be getting some great draft picks for 2 seasons in a row

by adamcawa on Jan 25, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Bynum to Charlotte while shipping away Diop, Carroll, and Diaw?

Man, I would sign on the line so damn quick.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 25, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

True dat

But no way Orlando does that deal. They can get a lot better for DH12.

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by Bring Back Primoz on Jan 25, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol, they could probably get the entire

Golden State starting lineup if they wanted to.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 25, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

only if dwight is willing to sign and extension

if dwight decides to leave orlando, he’s gonna make sure he can go where he wants, which I imagine is the Lakers and the Nets only, if not Orlando of course

teams are going to be very leary about renting a player for a season and a half, and if that’s the case (which seems like the second most likely scenario given the current landscape of the NBA, the first being he stays in Orlando), then we, along with several other teams, could get into the LA/Orlando mix. We just happen to have some pieces and expirings that either team might want.

by adamcawa on Jan 26, 2012 1:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Ultimately, I wish he would stop crying

and just stay in Orlando. It’s crazy how much he throws his teammates under the bus without even realizing it.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 26, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Especially Jameer.

I’ma go check their page to see what the fans think about him now. He had another questionable interview with Boston yesterday.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 26, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

kemba is not a pg

Seems the organization knows Kemba is a 2 and not a point from this interview with Bonnel so why won’t you guys on here realize that

http://www.bobcatsplanet.com/vb/showthread.php?13282-Dear-God…&p=206281#post206281

by Freakdadon on Jan 26, 2012 9:29 PM EST reply actions  

The same was said of DJ.

The same is still said of Russell Westbrook. No one here is dumb. He obviously doesn’t play like a PG. We all realize that. But with his height, him learning to play PG is the best way to build him into a successful player.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 27, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

How about...

D.J. to the OKC Thunder for Ibaka and Manor? Maybe throw in a pick on down the line? Not very plausible, but one can hope right?

by kittylover on Jan 29, 2012 8:55 PM EST reply actions  

Lol. That would be the steal of the century.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 30, 2012 7:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Kemba is no pt gd

Kemba is no pt gd. If hes to start, the cats better land a backup pt gd like livingston who can dish , score and defend. The cats cant keep kemba and dj , thats for sure. They dont compliment each other.

Dj will get an offer from dallas, the lakers and a few other teams that the cats wont match so he must be traded .

Someone must go at the pf position.

by Louis tape on Feb 1, 2012 8:45 AM EST reply actions  

I think he will be traded, but I don't think it's a must.

The Lakers don’t have anywhere near enough cap room to make an offer that we can’t match, and the Dallas Mavericks will focus on landing Deron Williams during the opening days of free agency so I doubt D.J. ends up there as well. However, I do agree with you that we need more defense and ball movement at the point position. Kemba is improving, he had a triple double the game before and I think he had like 12, 6, and 6 last night, so it’s not that bad.

I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Feb 1, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't have been surprised at all

if DJ Augustin didn’t leave LA last night.

by adamcawa on Feb 1, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

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