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Bobcats Shake Things Up, Get Win Over Warriors 112-100

CHARLOTTE, NC - JANUARY 14:  Kemba Walker #1 of the Charlotte Bobcats reacts to a shot during their game against the Golden State Warriors at Time Warner Cable Arena on January 14, 2012 in Charlotte, North Carolina.  NOTE TO USER: User expressly acknowledges and agrees that, by downloading and or using this photograph, User is consenting to the terms and conditions of the Getty Images License Agreement.  (Photo by Streeter Lecka/Getty Images)

What’s with all this negativity lately huh? The Bobcats looked incredible tonight and gave me a level of joy I only thought possible from hearing that "McDonald’s Girl" song. Seriously though, I’ve been watching along with you and know how brutal this past week has been. The Bobcats looked beaten, their coach looked absolutely defeated after the first two games of this back-to-back-to-back. After a dreadful loss to a dreadful Pistons team last night, the only thing to do was to drastically change things up and thankfully that’s what Paul Silas did. Silas sent out D.J. Augustin, Kemba Walker, Gerald Henderson, Tyrus Thomas, and Byron Mullens to start this game. Boris Diaw did not start for the first time in 235 straight games, a franchise record. Really, there was no other option but you never know if you’ll actually see a coaching staff make such a bold move. Just how bold is debatable but starting this young crew was a welcome sight. The result was a 112-100 win in front of a pretty decent crowd in Charlotte.

Star-divide

First Quarter:

Welp, the Bobcats didn’t take a shot in the paint until Henderson drew contact and went to the line with 9:23 remaining in the first quarter. They didn’t do a very good job of protecting the lane on the other end either as the Warriors got just about anything they wanted to start the game. The optimism of the brand new starting lineup was quickly squelched so Paul Silas called his first timeout not even three minutes in, down seven. Whatever he said in that timeout kind of worked because Charlotte got two dunks on the next three possessions, but still allowed Golden State to get easy follow-ups for scores. Rebounding had to be a concession for this lineup though, and to be honest I’m fine with it to a certain extent because starting this crew was at least a sign that the staff would try something new. Mullens drilled just about every jump shot he saw early (finishing with 20 points and seven rebounds), and Kemba finally attacked the lane for three the hard way to tied the score at 15 with 6:36 to go. One thing is clear, Kemba can get where he wants to on the floor just about any time he wants, and when he’s knocking down his jumper he’s just that much more effective. With 4:08 to go, Warriors starting center Andris Biedrins picked up his third foul…he had been KILLING Charlotte inside. If you were watching this game with a notepad at the time you would have written "key moment?" in the margin. The last three minutes of the first quarter were unlike any three minutes for the Bobcats this season. Aggressive drives resulted in either close shots or great…not good…great ball movement for wide open jumpers. Consecutive three-pointers from Mullens and then Walker forced a Golden State timeout with the Bobcats up 34-25. The Cats ended up two shy of 40 in the first quarter (thanks a lot Cory Higgins for that missed half court shot) but 38 was still good enough to be the best scoring output of any quarter this season…obviously.

Second Quarter:

If I were to tell you the second quarter scoring kicked off with two made free throws from Bismack Biyombo would you a) think I was lying, b) be confused because Biyombo never plays that early, or c) nod your head knowingly because that’s the kind of night it was for the Bobcats? It certainly looked like it would be that kind of night. Biyombo played well into the second quarter finally exiting with around seven minutes to go. Biyombo, for all he has to work on, does a nice job of going straight up to contest shots. And when he does that it’s nearly impossible to get a quality look over him. The Bobcats were shooting a scorching 61% through most of the first half, and it’s going to be tough to combat anyone doing that. Without much bulk at all inside, the Bobcats give up a ton of leverage and really will have a tough time keeping anyone out of the lane, and that was the case a lot in the second quarter. But we’re talking about putting something on the court that won’t make your eyes bleed so if giving up some position in the paint and at times giving the opposing players an escort to the rim means this team is more entertaining this year, so be it. The Bobcats, as they have tended to do this season, completely regressed in the second quarter only scoring 28 points. Typical.

Third Quarter:

As the third quarter progressed, I found myself asking myself: where does Tyrus Thomas fit in this lineup and this team? He’s getting backed down so deep in the paint that by the time his man turns to score it’s a dunk. He’s not going to be a rugged power forward of the future, or the present…but his energy and athleticism are an asset. On this team though, a team where for the last week D.J. White (who was out this game due to personal reasons) has often times been the main offensive option, it’s tough to say what role Thomas fills. I think we all like Thomas and want him to play, and we like what he provides but it’s up to this staff to figure out how to harness that correctly. The Bobcats wrapped up the third quarter with a pure half court shot (that’s how you do it…Cory) from Walker but it was just a hair late, so Charlotte only led 93-75 at the end of three. Again, the Bobcats scored 93 points in three quarters.

Fourth Quarter:

Fourth quarter? You mean the Bobcats get to score more points? This game really is too easy. Walker does a lot of things very well on offense. It’s been well chronicled, nowhere better than right here by our own Ben Swanson, he’s struggled with the pick and roll this season. But in space and staring down his man there is no one else on this roster I’d rather see with the ball in his hands. Now this fourth quarter, as fourth quarters in the NBA tend to do, got a little interesting. The Warriors went on a run, couple that with a Bobcats drought that resulted in a 15-3 Golden State spurt, the Bobcats’ lead was chopped to eight when Henderson went to the line after being fouled on a drive. Incidentally, to see the Bobcats get a play going to the basket coming out of a timeout in that situation is extremely encouraging. That’s fairly elementary but after the week this team has had to see success at even that level is nice. Henderson only hit one of two, but after another Klay Thompson brick on the other end, the Bobcats came right back to get an easy look on a Thomas dunk attempt inside. After hitting the second of two, the Bobcats cracked the century mark, which apparently is NOT against league rules. Good to know. A team with Monte Ellis is dangerous no matter the score and Ellis (along with Nate Robinson) tried to get the Warriors back in this game. Golden State got the lead down to six but it was Walker again who drilled a 20-footer then sized up David Lee the next time down and got the hoop and harm to pretty much seal this one for the Bobcats.

This is what you want to see out of this team, and if you put any stock into what Paul Silas says after games you will see more of this. Playing Walker and Augustin together has obvious disadvantages, namely the starting backcourt can barely touch the rim on each other’s shoulders. But Augustin and Walker are two of the best, if not the best, players on this roster and they both need to play. The starting lineup tonight will get killed inside, as it did early on, but it plays at a better pace and at least so far, is more fun to watch. Walker finished with a new career-high 23 points to go along with five assists, four rebounds and zero turnovers in 39 minutes. Cory Higgins saw early action and was fairly effective. He scored only two points but did grab four rebounds and looked comfortable tonight. Boris Diaw came off the bench for 23 minutes and scored nine points. Gerald Henderson had a good Gerald Henderson game, hitting jumpers and driving to the basket scoring 26 points to lead the team. Augustin played well scoring 16 points in 44 minutes. It was the right move to shake things up tonight. It’s not something that is going to all of a sudden propel this team into playoff contention; the roster is still limited. But the fans of this team deserve to have options explored and it’s good to see this team willing to do that.

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by Shockers on Jan 14, 2012 11:14 PM EST reply actions  

I Kemba can just compete for Rookie of the Year

AND we draft a player like Davis or Drummonds… Then I think we have something to be hopeful about.

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by southtunnel on Jan 14, 2012 11:32 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Either would be perfect.

Bc either can play pf as well (Drummond has that mid range jumper starting to fall) and play opposite of biyombo.

Still need a scoring wing though to be our #1 scorer, Kemba is a perfect #2

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by MikeTrain on Jan 15, 2012 4:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

If we can I think we should pick Davis and start him beside Mullins

If Mullins can bulk up any at all, him and Davis could make for a really tough front court.

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by southtunnel on Jan 15, 2012 8:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Mulliani

doesnt need to bulk up. He’s pretty big already. He’s just 7’2…and most of his weight is in his lower body. Kinda like Hibbert. He’s good the way he is

by focuslja on Jan 15, 2012 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

And the fact that his game seems to finnese.

We want to see him bang around in the post a little to diversify his game.

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 15, 2012 10:35 PM EST up reply actions  

He been doin it

every game, he shows more things in the post. He is rebounding well and he’s catching LOBS. He’s scoring a decent amount on putbacks. This is the type of development that I like to see. Its steady and consistent…and NOTICEABLE…

by focuslja on Jan 15, 2012 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

It's his third season in the league.

If he didn’t start showing all the things he’s learned through practicing, then he wouldn’t be worth spending a more significant time investment. He’s the type of prospect you need to see immediate perks in, and he’s doing just what he’s supposed to do.

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 15, 2012 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Good job coach Silas

Now we’ve learned that Kemba, Bismack and even Higgins are ready to compete and I am expecting that they will have more playing time on the next games to come.

I like Barnes or Drummonds on the draft night. I don’t like Davis because he is more of a PF and we already have a lot of that in our team.

by mjfan on Jan 14, 2012 11:51 PM EST reply actions  

Boris and Eddie will be gone, plus he can transition to C with some more weight

And it doesn matter if we have a lot we dont have any that can be starters.

by TS BOBCAT on Jan 14, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Ohhhh will Boris ever be GONE.

I have rarely been more at peace with letting a player walk at the end of their contract without any compensation in return.

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by Newsinz on Jan 15, 2012 3:02 AM EST up reply actions  

tough to pass up on davis

huge talent, which we dont have at pf spot

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by Shockers on Jan 15, 2012 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

We have a double double machine...

with DJ White. Its cool for us to have the BPA but at this point, whoever we draft (if its not a center) should def be a “ying” to Mullens “yang”…Players have to fit together also…

by focuslja on Jan 15, 2012 1:24 AM EST up reply actions  

forgot about dj

i do think it’d be hard to pass up on davis though. i do hear you on complimenting mullens but i think davis could be that complete player on both sides of the court

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by Shockers on Jan 15, 2012 1:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Anthony Davis does compliment Mullens. He is a shot blocker, rebounder and finisher in the paint. Not to mention the best freshman in the nation. I think he can add muscle and shave that unibrow when he gets to the league

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by gunnin' gervin on Jan 15, 2012 7:35 AM EST up reply actions  

And who would that put on the trade block? DJ White, Tyrus or Biyombo?

I purposely left Diaw off… I won’t mind if he never get’s another minute here. I hate to say it but with Davis, Thomas looks like the odd man out. And we haven’t even given up a pick yet for him. :S

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by southtunnel on Jan 15, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I def would hope it Tyrus

I actually hope he’s gone before we get to draft day

by focuslja on Jan 15, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

White is a nice player

But if he is starting for your team, that’s not a great sign.

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by Bring Back Primoz on Jan 15, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

why is everyone so high on barnes?

I just must not be blown away with what ive seen out of him. but seems like some of you guys are. he disappears from time to time…or maby its just me! we need a consistent scorer….im not sold Barnes is just that?!

by TheWhite Mamba on Jan 15, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Barnes is overrated i agree i think he is skilled but his play doesn’t show it at times. I like other SF’s in this draft over him.

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by MMA_PITBULL on Jan 15, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Carolina in general has played under its ability past two years. They are loaded this year yet they keep getting ran off the court by lesser teams. Roy needs to do a better job motivating a preparing his team. With all the blue chips on that team no reason to be getting blown out.

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by MMA_PITBULL on Jan 15, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Yet he plays a position of great need for us.

Other than Maggette, do we even have a legit SF???

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by southtunnel on Jan 15, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Derrick Brown

He's got the SF spot on lock

by Aisander D on Jan 15, 2012 4:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Derrick Brown makes me sad.

Can we never talk about him and just pretend he doesn’t exist?

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 15, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Derrick Brown

He's got the SF spot on lock

by Aisander D on Jan 15, 2012 7:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

So nice he had to say it twice

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by southtunnel on Jan 15, 2012 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

3 hours later, too

He just can’t get it off his mind

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by Air_Bobcats on Jan 15, 2012 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay ...

I can understand somehow typing the same message twice… but with it being 3 hours apart? That’s really strange.

by Tim Rudisill on Jan 15, 2012 8:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Derrick Brown

He's got the SF spot on lock

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by southtunnel on Jan 15, 2012 8:58 PM EST up reply actions  

So does

MKG…and he is better than Barnes to me…

by focuslja on Jan 15, 2012 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

The only critisism I have for the rookies

Is Kemba did not contiune to score through the 2nd half. But that is definatley not a concern of mine. And BB really does have trouble holding onto the ball and catching it, but I think that can be accredited to nerves and I think with more time he will begin to catch the ball more fluidly. All in all it was a good game by them Kemba played great defense on Ellis and was extremely efficient on offense and BB still has a lot of work to get done but you can see the talent is there unless your MP or focus of course haha

by TS BOBCAT on Jan 14, 2012 11:58 PM EST reply actions  

A few things

1. With Diaw being benched, is it safe to say that he’ll be traded soon? And part (b)…what does this do for his trade value? Do we let him go for cheap (player and 2nd rd pick)…does it hurt us that much to do such a trade? I dont think so. But I hope we trade him fast. FESTUS EZELI is everything we need. And he will be in the second RD…

2. With Kemba starting. Does that mean we trade DJ now? I think it would be smart to do this. But what for? To who. I say LAL but Mo Williams and Sessions are high on that list. So we also need to act fast if we want a return…

3. Perfect chance to get my favorite player…

by focuslja on Jan 15, 2012 1:30 AM EST reply actions  

Boris for a player and 2nd might be a stretch now

Unless its a team in desperate need of a veteran big man. But I am a person who you could say over values 2nd round talent but I beleive it is a great place to take players with that “it” factor. I like them even more with Cho who seems to have a gift with finding diamonds in the rough (BJ,Higgins).

by TS BOBCAT on Jan 15, 2012 1:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I really dont think they have to be that desperate...

Diaw just doesnt fit here. And he has a few weeks to up his value. And him being on the second unit is probably best for his value actually. And Im glad Cho is shaping up to be a person that shares my “moneyball-like” views…makes me a lil hopeful that a few more of my players will end up here

by focuslja on Jan 15, 2012 1:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Diaw being a versatile bigman should draw a player and a 2nd

but he’s also an expiring, right? That would draw more to the deal as there are certainly some teams that just want to drop some cap.

by jovox on Jan 15, 2012 7:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes... this whole Diaw thing is like Dejavu isn't it?

I seem to remember us having a little chat with a couple folks about this only a couple weeks ago yeah? ;)

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by southtunnel on Jan 15, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

The only issue with trading Diaw

Is that I don’t think we’re interested in taking long term salary back in a trade. That will complicate who we do business with and what we’ll be willing to take.

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by Bring Back Primoz on Jan 15, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Higgins is a higher up to Cho

he basically can still do what he likes…

by focuslja on Jan 15, 2012 7:57 PM EST up reply actions  

except HIggins is actually a very good player

and I expect him to see an even bigger role as the season goes on if DJ and Kemba play at the same time more often

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by raysfan81 on Jan 15, 2012 8:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Ezeli

according to draftexpress.com is most likely going in the first round, unless a bunch of foreign players pop up out of nowhere that empresses scouts. He is a senior so he will most definitely be in the draft

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by gunnin' gervin on Jan 15, 2012 7:39 AM EST up reply actions  

He'll probably be in the bottom ten

which is cool. Hopefully by the deadline, we’d have some transactions netting us a 1st rd’r. So I say we take Ezeli also. He is the bruising big body center we need to have coming behind Mullens. He has great footwork under the the basket and he rebounds/defends well. He also has a ice cold hook shot and used the glass when needed. We already have a finesse center.

This draft could possible land us a SF, Center, PF and a salary dump.

PS: I still advocate trading down if we are not top TWO. Possibly landing us two later lottery picks. (2 picks + dumping Maggette or Tyrus on the victim)…then drafting Ezeli or Doron Lamb

by focuslja on Jan 15, 2012 8:06 AM EST up reply actions  

While typing the above

I look and see that MKG has moved up to #4 on some mock draft boards.

by focuslja on Jan 15, 2012 8:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I say we package DJ and Diaw for a 1st round pick

If that’s even possible

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by southtunnel on Jan 15, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

That's my worst case scenario.

I want to get a first round pick for each of them, but that’s seeming more and more unlikely, so if we can package them together for a decent pick, that’d be very beneficial.

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 15, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Why trade DJ?

I still don’t understand why people want to do that.

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by raysfan81 on Jan 15, 2012 8:58 PM EST up reply actions  

The logic goes like this:

DJ is a starter. So is Kemba. If we want to keep DJ, we’d have to pay him starter-level money and either play Kemba and Henderson off-position or have him come off the bench. Neither are ideal.

If we trade him, we get more flexibility. We can use the pick to draft a player that doesn’t necessarily fill a spot that we already have. We would need a backup PG at that point, but at least we wouldn’t be paying starter-level money for him.

by Tim Rudisill on Jan 15, 2012 9:10 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly

DJ’s fate was sealed the moment we drafted Kemba

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by southtunnel on Jan 15, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Couldn't have said it better myself.

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 15, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I am extremely impressed by Hendo tonight

He played like a player that did not need any help scoring he was playing like what some would call a true SG.

by TS BOBCAT on Jan 15, 2012 1:55 AM EST reply actions  

12 free throws!

And was the go to when it was getting close in the fourth. Very nice to see.

by milky C on Jan 15, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Hendo get's a I'm not a Superstar pass

The problem is we expect these to play at a high level every-night despite the competition. But there’s a reason AllStars consistently play great, and guys like Hendo don’t.

Not to knock him… He’s just not good enough to carry a team by himself.

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by southtunnel on Jan 15, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

He can be a very good SG for a long time.

Just not at an All-Star level, so I agree with you there.

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 15, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

On a title contending team that is what he would be

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by MMA_PITBULL on Jan 15, 2012 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I always think of an ideal 6th man as a range shooter

Maybe it’s because I grew watching Dell Curry and the Hornets.

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by southtunnel on Jan 15, 2012 8:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Not me

I was always a fan of the 6th man being a productive energy guy. In most cases the “productive energy guy” is a range shooter but I can deal with Hendo off the bench.

by focuslja on Jan 15, 2012 9:06 PM EST up reply actions  

It depends on the team

There is no “one size fits all” model for 6th men.

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by Bring Back Primoz on Jan 15, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

In my world, Dell IS the model 6th man

Of course I’m also still dreaming about us getting the Hornet’s brand back. :S

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by southtunnel on Jan 15, 2012 10:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm sure someone with the potential to be an very good starter

would also be a great fit as a 6th man.

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 15, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

That's because GS has no defense

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by southtunnel on Jan 15, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Does anyone know if this is a lineup that will play everynight

Or was this just situational thing since we were going up against a team that was short?

by TS BOBCAT on Jan 15, 2012 1:56 AM EST reply actions  

Probably gonna be

a main thing for the time being. Diaw can best up his trade value playing his primary position. And so can Thomas. Ironic that a “regular” lineup was the solution all along. But as far as the seasons to come. I hope Hendo is put back at the SG and we get a SF that can run the floor with those guys. And the second unit can be lead by DJ and Diaw with Higgins and DJ White. The small lineup is cool but its also a major defensive liability against teams that like to slow down the pace.

by focuslja on Jan 15, 2012 2:03 AM EST up reply actions  

I dream of drafting Davis first then trading up to take Kidd-Gilchrist in the late lottery. I think we can find a way to pull it off.

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by FirstCat on Jan 15, 2012 2:12 AM EST up reply actions  

im actually advocating

That if we cant get Drummond or Davis (1st two picks) then trading down anyhow. Getting 2 picks and a player, maybe moving Thomas or Maggs in the deal. Kidd-Gilchrist and the kid Ezeli (the kid I wa hyping since last season who I thought was in the second rd who has now moved up to 20th in the first rd (MAN I SHOULD BE A GM or SCOUT)). That way we get a player of our choosing (from the trade partner), We get rid of a big contract (without using the amnesty) and we get a SF (new and improved GW) and a REAL center that is def NBA ready in all aspects.

by focuslja on Jan 15, 2012 2:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m with you that there is a significant drop off from Drummond/Davis to anyone else. If we have the 4th pick or worse I would not be against finding a way to get something like last year (8 & 10, 11 & 13) in order to pick up a big man (Meyers Leonard) and a SF (Jones III, Kidd-Gilchrist, T. Jones). Personally, I am interested in Sullinger as a possible “ying” to Biyombo’s “yang”.

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by FirstCat on Jan 15, 2012 2:47 AM EST up reply actions  

The reason I used Mullens over BB

is basically, the top 20 picks in this year’s draft will eventually be starters as older players retire and younger teams continue to get better. Mullens has continued to improved. He is def Brook Lopez-lite (and its really hard to say “lite”), He will be starter material eventually. BB, I cant see playing center or starting at PF. But Sullinger can definately be the perfect partner for Mullens. I like Meyers too but i dont know too much about his ability to be a bully. Which I think is what we need. But I would def love to trade down if we dont get one of the first two picks. I’d also see if I could move a player in the deal (Tyrus of Maggs: amnesty the other). And draft a PF and a SF…

by focuslja on Jan 15, 2012 3:30 AM EST up reply actions  

The thing you have to think about with BB is

That Cho know smore than all of us (even you) and he clearly sees something in BB and they would not have taken him at 7 if they didnt think he could start at either PF or C. So you have to factor that into any draft equation.

by TS BOBCAT on Jan 15, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I wouldnt factor that in

If an upgrade comes along or we have a chance to get a better one, then we should go for it. BB is toooo raw to wait around for. If he was half way developed like say Javele or Faried then I say “hold on” give him a year. But Im pretty sure he wont be ready next season. He’s gonna need a few years. Dont trade him but he’s not gonna be starter material for quite some time…

by focuslja on Jan 15, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree

But yeah we would be idiotic to trade him because his ability to block and play D is rare. Maybe send him to the DL for a few weeks. I still think he has an upside we cant fathom right now but for him only time will tell.

by TS BOBCAT on Jan 15, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

BB is listed as being ONLY 18. He has a long window to develop. Id love to draft the C and move Mullens to PF. He reminds me the most of Dirk who also plays the 4 a lot better then the 5

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by MMA_PITBULL on Jan 15, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

His ability to play D

is not rare. He is “supposed” to be able to play D. But I have yet to see him frustrate any opposing centers. He can block shots but thats about the only thing he does well. And I can do without 5 blocks and 3rebs if I can get a 10ppg 10reb Center…

by focuslja on Jan 15, 2012 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

We have a 17 and 8 center.

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by FirstCat on Jan 15, 2012 8:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Which I think is his basement, honestly.

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by Newsinz on Jan 15, 2012 8:26 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah I think with more experience Mullens will become an absolute monster

give it time.

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by raysfan81 on Jan 15, 2012 9:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Im talkin about in BB's spot

there are plenty of decent centers that may never reach their center that are still better than BB. Jason Thompson, Hickson can play both, Speights, Randolph and Tolliver can play both.

by focuslja on Jan 15, 2012 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Most of those guys are scrubs

Thompson started like a total of 100 games in SAC, and he never really improved. Randolph=Tyrus Thomas with better handles, and Tollivers like 6’7 lol

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by mangoes52 on Jan 15, 2012 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Randolph is a FA

and he’s def not Tyrus. When I name these guys, Im not saying they are gonna be allstars. Im saying that they will fit well here. Plus Randolph is ready to break out. But he cant do it with Love, Williams, Beaz and the Wolves plethora of bigs…

by focuslja on Jan 15, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

We'd have to give up assets to get those guys.

We’re trying to hoard our assets right now, not give them up.

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 15, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you Focus!

You actually made a post without being overly negative about Biyombo. You were just being realistic and slightly optimistic about him. I feel the same way. Itll take him a few years to be ready to start, but now you see he had that potential based on his defense alone. I think Cho, from my basketball player standpoint has found a potential gem. Players develop. My ex girlfriends little brother was a sloppy dude a few years ago. Big, tall, and in desperate needs of learning the fundamentals of football. He had the size to be a beast, but wasn’t. Now, that same dude is a 3 year starter on the Southern Mississippi offensive line and is actually an NFL prospect. His name is Lamar Holmes. I work with kids all the time and have friends that coach basketball and football teams and believe greatly in player development. Maybe that’s why I can see the beast inside Biyombo.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 15, 2012 12:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I don't disagree that Biyombo needs some time

But we’re not going to be ready to win big for a few years anyway so if we think he’ll eventually get there, we certainly can afford to wait on him.

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by Bring Back Primoz on Jan 15, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm okay waiting around for more than 1 year

It’s not as if we are going to be competing for a championship next year. We have time to wait. I want him to hit his peak right when the team is supposed to be competing in the playoffs.

by Tim Rudisill on Jan 15, 2012 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll echo the rest of the sentiments.

We have all the time in the world (in today’s society) to give him before making any definitive judgements.

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 15, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I am very wary of Sullinger

He is overweight and not athletic at all. Im am very scared of overweight player since May. You dont see that many big boys make it in the NBA Boris is barely hanging on the only one that can be good at it is Big Baby. Im just worried of how Sullinger will translate to the NBA. I feel like Best case id Big Baby with All- star caliber skills, worst case Sean May.

by TS BOBCAT on Jan 15, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

but Boris hasn’t all ways looked like that! he has put weight in the last 5 years!

by TheWhite Mamba on Jan 15, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I watch Ohio State pretty regularly

Sullinger dropped a bunch of weight over the offseason, so he’s working to fix that problem. I really think he can be a good player if he continues to get in shape and improve his athleticism. He’s a fantastic rebounder and knows how use his body. And his shot has improved tremendously since arriving at Ohio State.

That being said, I don’t know how well he fits in here. But an eventual frontcourt of BB, Mully, DJW, and Sullinger could be quite formidable.

by JDeLong42 on Jan 15, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I will be pissed if we have to settle for a guy like Sullinger

I wan’t a top 3 pick… no matter what. Heck I’ll be dissapointed if both Drummonds and Davis aren’t wearing Bobcats unis next year.

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by southtunnel on Jan 15, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

wow setting the bar high aren’t you? Getting one would be a tall task snagging both? pipe dream

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by MMA_PITBULL on Jan 15, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I mean't one of them

“if both Drummonds and Davis AREN’T wearing Bobcats uni”

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by southtunnel on Jan 15, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

ahh got ya haha yeah that is more realistic. Id love to have Drummonds or Davis as well. Hopefully we can get a 1st elsewhere and pick up a SF its pretty deep this year.

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by MMA_PITBULL on Jan 15, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Honestly, a future starting lineup with Davis looks stronger to me...

Lineup 1:
Drummonds, White, TBA SF, Henderson, Walker

Lineup 2:
Mullins, Davis, TBA SF, Henderson, Walker

Mullins is the wild card. He’s still young. If he can beef up, he could be a really solid starting Center.

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by southtunnel on Jan 15, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

He is already 275 pounds. He would need to get to 300 for it to be noticeable. I think he could be moved to the 4. His play style is similar to Dirk who has always been a better 4

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by MMA_PITBULL on Jan 15, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Mullins playing with Davis would toughen up our front court

The problem now is he’s playing with PF’s that are pretty lanky themselves.

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by southtunnel on Jan 15, 2012 8:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Same here.

If we can’t get Davis, I’ll be heartbroken. I think he’s the one player who could really turn this franchise around in this draft.

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 15, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Garnett #2

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by FirstCat on Jan 15, 2012 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

We arent getting the number 1 pick

The Wizards probably will. That is why Blatche is up for grabs. Bc they will be making room for one of the two. Both can play PF. Plus McGee will be a FA too. So if he doesnt take the extention, they will probably get Drum…

by focuslja on Jan 15, 2012 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

How can you possibly make a prediction like that, in a lottery system?

The worst team hasn’t gotten the #1 in 8 years!

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by southtunnel on Jan 15, 2012 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

and neither have we...

so it’ll be a long shot to think that we will…I just say trade any pick that is NOT 1 or 2.

by focuslja on Jan 15, 2012 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually nobody has "good" odds of winning

The worst team has a 75% chance of NOT getting it. The second worst an 80% chance of not getting it. Which is ridiculous to me. The worst team should least have a 50/50 shot.

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by southtunnel on Jan 16, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Really?

Because every professional scout I’ve heard from talks about Davis as being the #1 prospect in this draft with everyone else vying for #2.

I’m sure some draft mocks may have Drummond, but from everything I’ve read, Davis is considered the “franchise” type player.

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 15, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe C is a greater need for most teams

Because I’ve heard Davis is the consensus best player in the draft, but I’ve seen Drummonds #1 in more mocks.

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by southtunnel on Jan 16, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Possibly.

That seems silly though, because it seems to make so much more sense to draft based on BPA than by need. We’ll see what happens though.

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 16, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

agree

Thomas or Maggs for a player and 2 draft pick will be great for our rebuilding. With Rich Cho on the driver sit, I believe that he can bring us to playoffs next year.

by mjfan on Jan 15, 2012 4:20 AM EST up reply actions  

You are good at finding players

But you trust it too much sometimes, you still have a lot of work to do taking in other peoples opinions on players. Whenever a player comes along and you dont see talent you write them off and say on multiple occasions they suck even when the FO and other bloggers disagree. Im not trying to call you out on anything im just letting you know something you need to improve if you seriously wanna call yourself a great scouter of talent, ill use Hendo for example I can remember last year when you said he sucked almost anytime you typed his name, and we were all telling you to give him a chance he has talent and you still said he sucked. Now look at him he is an even better defender this year and a better all around player and maybe he is not the ultimate scorer but he had 26 last night and is proving he does not “suck”. Once again not trying to call you out just a little constructive critisim im not really doing this to debate or argue so please dont try to make it one.

by TS BOBCAT on Jan 15, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

But I dont think you would make a good GM

If you would make desicions the way you do one here. I dont think you would listen to others around you which a GM needs to do and you would just do what you want and take too many chances and not give some players a chance. But thats just the impression I get from you on here I dont know if that is how it would go. Once again im just talking not trying to start an argument.

by TS BOBCAT on Jan 15, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I dont think Hendo "sucks"

ANYMORE…but he is ok. We also played a shorthanded GS team. He still isnt the SG that I think fits the team. But everyone is wrong sometimes. Yes even Cho (BB).. So I’d b happy if Hendo pans out. He’s shown flashes of being ok. But so is my boy Alonzo Gee this season. I still dont think Hendo’s proved me WRONG yet. We’ll see. Hopefully he does..

by focuslja on Jan 15, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

You used to think Hendo sucks and he has proved you wrong on that

Whether he is starter material we will see. But now now now focus be fair you cannot say Cho was wrong on BB yet, maybe it wasa bad place to pick him but we will not be able to tell if it was a bad pick for another year or two. But yes I agree everyone is wrong, I am wrong a lot it just seems sometimes you have problems admitting it and that the only point I was trying to make sometimes the best thing you can do is admit you were wrong and take others perspective. But this is a blog site not a classroom I have no right to tell you how to do things.

by TS BOBCAT on Jan 15, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

That's where I disagree with you.

If it will take us 2 or 3 years to be a playoff team, then why not wait 2 or 3 years to have the best defender in the league on your team.

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by FirstCat on Jan 15, 2012 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Bc we took him at 7…then immediately designated him to PF. When here were a couple of PFs that are playing well that we couldve had. Not only that but that best defensive player in 2yrs stuff is more hopeful than realism

by focuslja on Jan 15, 2012 9:12 PM EST up reply actions  

It may have been a bad pick

But no one can say he is a bad player. And anyone that does is irreasonable and just is being a hater and mad because they didnt get the player they wanted.

by TS BOBCAT on Jan 15, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope. Someday Biyombo will be known as the greatest shot blocker in NBA history.

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by FirstCat on Jan 15, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree.

Dude plays under control and is long as hell. His size may get better if he is still growing. And his skill of the game will improve with more coaching. I see it in him.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 15, 2012 12:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

ARMS!! BIZ!! Lob this guy the ball!

Ok. maybe I’m crazy….but I don’t think the rest of the Bobcats (especially our PG’s) have realized how long Biz is and his ability to go up for the ball. I have seen lots of pick and rolls and just plain cuts (while ugly mostly, and often poorly timed) where Biz is going to the rim and the passer could have lobbed it up to him. His height is deceptive…looks like he doesn’t have a one-on-one mismatch in some of those instances by size alone….But if you look at him whe he boards and blocks and just raises his hands in the post to catch passes,,,,that HIS STINKING ARMS SHOOT 3 FEET HIGHER THAN THE CROWD!!! Seriously, if they can get some practice together and learn to TRUST the pass and lob it up towards the bucket when Biz is cutting that most times we will see him spring, reach and control. Worth a try!

by mives36 on Jan 15, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Lmao.
(MAN I SHOULD BE A GM or SCOUT))

Hahahaha, when you say things like that, you seem like such a scumbag.

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 15, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

LMAO

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by mangoes52 on Jan 15, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

These are both absolutely terrific.

Wow. Hahahaha.

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 15, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

HAHAHAHA.

OMG – I am laughing so hard right now and my wife is trying to sleep.

That is friggin’ hilarious. I love it so damn much.

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by Tim Rudisill on Jan 15, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Players

I would like to see about us getting Drummond, Davis or Barnes. I have spoken the mistake we would be making if we got an overweight and non jumping Sullinger who has weight and back problems. If we could not get one of three then we may need to trade down for multiple picks if possible.

by jayo28262 on Jan 15, 2012 3:38 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Tyrus Thomas

I used to think TT was the answer at PF but he got over powered by David Lee. TT was just a forward with no power! I was missing DJ White because he has some sort of low post game and also can hit the mid range shot too. TT may have to put on some weight because he can’t hold his position in the paint.

by jayo28262 on Jan 15, 2012 3:44 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Diaw for Udoh

Great trade for both teams…Udoh needs work, but he is a defensive player with a bit more offense than he is showing in GS…Throw in a 2nd round pick, and i’m all about it…

by kittylover on Jan 15, 2012 3:49 AM EST reply actions  

Good job sitting Diaw Silas

I was really starting to think there was nothing he could do in order for Silas to bench him. I don’t like DJ and Walker playing together. This little experiment worked tonight, but this is definitely not a long term solution.
Something has to be done about those two. Both cannot play on this team. I would’ve traded Augustin and inserted Walker as the starter early in the season. Higgins could be a decent back up.
Good to see the forwards actually playing like forwards. The Bobcats really need to be more aggressive and stop settling for jumpers. Nice win though, hopefully they can keep it up.

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by D.W.G. on Jan 15, 2012 5:21 AM EST reply actions  

I dont like diaw anymore than anyone here but hes quite versatile and the cats will miss him like some jax, wallace n felton whom many here wanted traded. These kids need a veteran scorer in crunch time and hes done it alot.

He just doesnt come to score every nite , so sit him as was done tonite bc u wont get a ham samich for his lazy fat kentucky fried chicken eating butt. Hes a lover and likes to live n enjoy life but is quite skilled. Woodshed him.

Woodshed dj too if he goes bak to plsying like three games before. Hes playing great ball now , not overdribbling and dishing n running the break . Never ever let thomas play sf again n limit his touches to near the rim only. . Kemba must continue to plsy within the offense as hes done in the past two games. Its not all on diaw.

BUT, HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE THE NBA TO ADJUST TO RUNT BALL??? THE WARRIORS SCOUTS DIDNT SEE IT AND THEY CUDENT. THE CATS GUNNA GET KEMBA N HENDERSON HURT. BOTH WERE ALREADY RUN OVER BY BIGGER MEN ,PLAYING OUTTA POSITION.THIS IS WHY MAGGETTE AN UNDERSIZED SF STAYS HURT.

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN KEMBA IS MATCHED AGAINST KING JAMES AND HENDERSON AGAINST MELO. OR KEMBA VS KOBE OR RAY ALLEN ..OR HENDERSON VS DURANT OR ODUM WHO PLAYS SF ALOT. TEAMS ARE GOING TO WORK PIK N ROLLS W THE TWO GD N SF LIKE THE HEAT N HAVE A FIELD DAY. LOOK AT THE MAJIC , HEAT N THE HAWKS , THUNDER, DALLAS , LAKERS EVEN THE BULLS . THE TWO GD IS 6’6" on average or more , maybe 6 ‘8" and sf 6’ 9" and sometims6’10".

by Louis tape on Jan 15, 2012 6:24 AM EST reply actions  

understand that

its not gonna be permanent. Maggette and Williams will be back soon. Prompting players that like to run but putting them back at their natural positions.

As far as the future is concerned, Diaw’s versatility will be very much missed. But it can be made up for. There are several “point-forwards” in the league. Some old, some young. Some are more PF (Odom/Hedo) and some more SF (Iggy/Lebron)…I think every team should have some variation/semblance of this type of player (esp faster paced teams). They dont have to be starters. Just guys that can move the ball around and control the tempo esp when the PGs are big time scorers. And with us losing Boris, it would be in our best interest to find one…

by focuslja on Jan 15, 2012 7:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree

We’re only a few weeks from getting Maggette, Williams, and Najera (just throwing him in) back so it’s temporary. This lineup will work against certain teams and then on nights when we player bigger teams, they’ll abuse us inside. Either way, it’s always a good idea to get your best players on the court together and just work through whatever issues you have collectively.

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by Bring Back Primoz on Jan 15, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I can’t wait till we get Williams. We need his skill set bad. Not to mention it will be to have another SG/SF. Id start Williams over Maggs and Dbrown when he gets 100% and has got back in game shape.

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by MMA_PITBULL on Jan 15, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

The only thing that scares me

is that Williams wont return to form. I know that with him in the lineup, we become dangerous. I just hate when players get surgery…

by focuslja on Jan 15, 2012 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not worried.

The success rate for NBA surgeries is unbelievably high.

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by FirstCat on Jan 15, 2012 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

yea, don't trip

It’s not like it was an ACL tear

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by mangoes52 on Jan 15, 2012 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Just one response to your injury concerns

Maggette is 6’6" 225 lbs. I wouldn’t call that undersized.

And like focus said, this isn’t permanent.

by JDeLong42 on Jan 15, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I think coach Silas made the starting lineup off of who is actually showing energy and playing hard the most. I don’t think Boris is going anywhere for a solid pick unless his production gains and his weight drops. I’m looking so forward to the draft to see what direction the team goes because this draft is going to be very important

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by gunnin' gervin on Jan 15, 2012 7:47 AM EST reply actions  

I agree about the draft

I’d just rather Cho be “crafty” just as he did last draft. Difference being that unless the player just stinks, the result will pretty much be a sure thing. As far as Diaw/DJ, I think ANY pick thats a first rd is realistic. We wont be getting a lottery pick for either. I was just wondering whether benchin Diaw was a help or hurt to his trade value…

by focuslja on Jan 15, 2012 8:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Even with no trades..

…Diaw and Najera will be off the books this summer. That leaves us with Dubz, Tyrus, and Biz at PF. If Biz is to be a C eventually, I’m all for signing a PF that can teach our youngins’ (I think Jamison fits that bill. Now the questions become: How much will he cost? Will he choose his city to retire in over a ring? Can he be a vet player that can teach?)

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by andrewlail76 on Jan 15, 2012 9:28 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

I think Kemba is about to lock up his spot in the Rook/Soph game

The three PG’s should end up being Kyrie/Rubio/Kemba, the only players that could challenge Kemba are Knight and Shumpert and Kemba’s stats are better then both of them. Anyone know what BB’s chances of getting in are? When is all star weekend?

by TS BOBCAT on Jan 15, 2012 11:28 AM EST reply actions  

LOL dude.

Iman Shumpert and Norris Cole might have something to say about that.

by Aisander D on Jan 15, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I think if Kemba gets more minutes like it seems he will then he has a worthy chance Kyrie and Rubio are locks Kemba Shumpert and Cole will battle it out. Although i think Shump is playing out of position at PG like Kemba is at SG.

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by MMA_PITBULL on Jan 15, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes

You guys…..

Iman and Cole blow up when they play us……..Stats are showing they aren’t world-beaters after all!! Remember about a week ago when there was several “fans” on here SURE we dinked the dog when we didn’t take Cole or Iman instead of Kemba. I laughed my ass off at the time. Now and in the future, you will see those folks continue to shut mouth and dry up. Please. Go away.

by mives36 on Jan 15, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

And they would be....

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by mives36 on Jan 15, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Kemba's name is bigger than Knight and Shumpert

And like it or not, that usually counts for something in these sort of situations.

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by southtunnel on Jan 15, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Cody is the higher prospect he is top 10 on a lot of big boards i have seen. He goes in the lottery if he declares.

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by MMA_PITBULL on Jan 15, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Damn I was hoping it was lower

I wanted to draft either Zellar brother in later first if we traded of course

by TS BOBCAT on Jan 15, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Tyler has a chance to be there i guess but Cody will go high

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by MMA_PITBULL on Jan 15, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

He is only 19 and is asked to carry a lot more on his shoulders for Indiana then his brother is at UNC. Both are solid prospects but Cody stands apart from his big bros. They got another brother who played at ND. Luke Zeller

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by MMA_PITBULL on Jan 15, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Tyler Zeller sucks but Cody is a very very solid player

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by raysfan81 on Jan 15, 2012 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah.

The younger Zeller looks like he could be a terrific athlete.

Especially when you compare him to his stiff of an older brother.

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 15, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

As a Tarheel fan

I love Zeller. But I just see his strength and defensive prowess translating to the NBA to be “Mullens” like. He is soft. Soft. And I’m afraid of some injury issues in a long, tough NBA season with Tyler. While he does draw the charge well, he will get bullied in the bigs. And so if his D will be non-stellar, you would want him to be an offensive force….like Mully, say….and I don’t see it. He would be a 7’0" with Mully-like D except unable to shoot from distance like Mullens (his asset). His low post game is better, but very limited still (one move fellas, the turn -over the shoulder hook/floater from out to about 10 feet). He runs the floor well (like Mully) and could get some fast break/alley oop points (like Mully).

See what I’m getting at here, right. Tyler Zeller=Byron Mullens (minus the deadly outside shooting)

by mives36 on Jan 15, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Mullens has some size on him two. Mully is 275. Doesn’t look like it but he is a pretty big dude

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by MMA_PITBULL on Jan 15, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Fun to see how the offense opened up...

with Kemba, DJ, Hendo, and Mully in that first unit. Great ball movement by that crew found outstanding shots. Having 4 guys to spread the floor who can ACTUALLY threaten to score worked well. I think this lineup with Biz in TT’s spot would be even better, but we will see. Fun game. Kemba was really in the flow last night. Starting works good for him. Can’t wait to see more growth from our rooks. Poo on all you bastards hating our rookies.

by mives36 on Jan 15, 2012 12:54 PM EST reply actions  

I say we get as much as we can for Augustin, Diaw and Thomas

My crystal ball doesn’t show any of them in our future.

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by southtunnel on Jan 15, 2012 1:49 PM EST reply actions  

id trade all 3 of them for a 1st if we could. I agree with you that none of them are in the future with the Bobcats. Tyrus was already disappointing now he weighs a 100 pounds and has no position.

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by MMA_PITBULL on Jan 15, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Will anyone take TT?

I also have a feeling they ant to let Boris’s contract expire

by TS BOBCAT on Jan 15, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

at this point DJ is our best trade asset. Maybe if a team in the hunt suffers a injury we may be able to get something for Boris/TT

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by MMA_PITBULL on Jan 15, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I think TT is going to be our amnesty victim.

Diaw is still valuable … I’m not sure if he’s still worth a 1st, but I bet we could get a 2nd rounder for him.

And DJ? I think we will flip him for a 1st. I just hope some teams PG gets injured and they come a ’callin.

by Tim Rudisill on Jan 15, 2012 8:42 PM EST up reply actions  

It would completely clean the slate as of July 1, 2013

We could actually not use the amnesty again this summer and then dump him in 2013 if we like.

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by Bring Back Primoz on Jan 15, 2012 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

No we cant

I thought it was the first two seasons. There is no need to use it if we dont use it in 2012…unless we trade for a a player like Blatche who has 4yrs left. Its only for contracts in place at the beginning of the CBA. The only bad contract we’ll have in 2013 is Tyrus and I feel he’ll be gone by then

by focuslja on Jan 15, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

We can.

The amnesty can be used whenever you want on anyone you signed to a contract before the new CBA was decided.

and I feel he’ll be gone by then

If he is, then we’ll be able to use our amnesty this summer on Diop. If not, we’ll wait for Diop to expire and hold on to see if we can get any value for TT. If we figure out that no one will give us anything for him (which, sadly, might become a possibility, although that’s the absolute worst case scenario for him) then we can just use it on Tyrus in the next summer (as BBP pointed out) and have a completly clean slate.

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 15, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for the support

For someone who claims to be a GM, focus tends to know very little about the CBA. We can amnesty Tyrus in 2014 if we want. The only stipulation is that the player had to already be on your roster before the lockout.

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by Bring Back Primoz on Jan 15, 2012 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I really, really, really don't want that to have to be the case though.

I see the potential in Tyrus, it seems like he was so close last year to showing us some great things. So, while recent play makes this option an actual possibility, I remain optimistic he starts to finally fulfill that potential of his.

If he can’t though, then we can’t really wait forever.

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 15, 2012 11:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

I’d rather not use the amnesty on Tyrus either. But if we determine he is not in our future, then we can push the reset button next summer and have no long term contracts and LOADS of cap space. The real shot to the nuts is still owing Chicago a draft pick for him.

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by Bring Back Primoz on Jan 15, 2012 11:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm getting more and more bearish on TT.

I thought he could be the answer at PF, but he hasn’t looked great lately. We’ll probably just have to keep playing him and see what happens, because I don’t see us getting anything of substantial value for TT.

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 15, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

It sort of sucks when it's the beginning of the season and the next draft is the hot topic

sigh

I feel like I have nothing to watch games for, but to hopefully see Kemba convince me that he has a great future PG in him.

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by southtunnel on Jan 15, 2012 9:00 PM EST reply actions  

I think Kemba has a bright future but I can't figure why everyone wants to get rid of DJ

if the Bobcats end up with 2 solid PG’s whats wrong with that? DJ is young and still improving so its waaaaaaaaay to early to trade him.

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by raysfan81 on Jan 15, 2012 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

DJ is one of the few appealing trade pieces that the Cats possess

I think the team should keep both of them. Walker isn’t ready to run the show on a full-time basis.

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by Julius Coxswain on Jan 15, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Because eventually we'd have to match the fat contract offer of a team that wants him as a starter, for him to sit on the bench behind Kemba

Players that are capable of starting, want to start, and want to get paid as a starter. So either we try to get value for him now, or he walks later for nothing.

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by southtunnel on Jan 15, 2012 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

OR we'd have to keep him at point, and start Kemba and Hendo out of position

That’s not an ideal long-term solution.

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by southtunnel on Jan 15, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I was resigned to this when the season started.

Welcome to reality everyone!

When the season started, I already told myself wins/losses were unimportant, but instead to watch certain players develop. I’m most excited watching Henderson’s game, then our rookies (Bismack a little more than Kemba), and then TT, DJ, White, and Mullens.

Hell, with how Mullens has been playing, he’s made me enjoy watching him even more. There are plenty of things to enjoy in the rebuilding season.

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 15, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah but in order to qualify as worst team in the league, fans have to endure a fair share of blowouts

Sort of like watching Jimmy Clausen QB the Panthers a year ago. That sucked! But at least that one paid off.

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by southtunnel on Jan 16, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

It's going to suck.

But as long as you enjoy watching players develop and we have the occasional game like tonight, I can live with it.

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 16, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

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