Bobcats Get Blown Out At Home By Pistons 98-81
For some reason, I'm not as downbeat as I was last night.
The Bobcats just got demolished at home against the Pistons, the next-to-worst scoring team in the NBA.
And yet, I don't feel like complaining. Oh, were there plenty of things to complain about, though! (But we'll get to those later) Maybe I've reached the 'loser's nirvana", where the result doesn't concern me. Last night, I was more or less embarrassed to say I watch the Bobcats play. They didn't hustle and were thoroughly dominated in all aspects save for free throws and blocks. Tonight it was the same story. Charlotte wasn't quite as astonishingly bad on offensive boards, but were still dismantled by an even-worse team.
Or maybe it's because the rookies played well. Kemba Walker was as efficient as his statline suggests, and more so. He had 16 points on eight field goal attempts, to go with two assists, two steals, two rebounds and two turnovers. He also looked much better on the pick and roll, finding the big man. Unfortunately on multiple of those situations, the good passes were negated by an offensive foul elsewhere, or Byron Mullens uncharacteristically missed a wide open jumper. Bismack Biyombo was pretty good, too. I am well aware Ben Wallace is practically a ghost, but one doesn't just lose rebounding fundamentals. Biyombo had a couple nice rebounds against him, but did not score against the five-time NBA All-Defensive First Team center. Biyombo really impressed in the first half, when in only eight minutes on the court, he tallied five blocks and had good quick hands on defense. Brandon Knight will have to think twice about driving with Biyombo waiting the next time these two play against each other.
Without that, I probably would have been more despondent about this game. Hit the jump for more reactions.
Usually I take notes during the game to make note of specific plays, trends I'm noticing throughout a quarter/half/game, or just whatever pops into my head. Tonight I wrote one note: "Defense porous. Not physical". And that pretty much sums up why the Bobcats lost this game. The Pistons were deeply rooted into the paint all night, giving the Bobcats a two-hour-long metaphorical colonoscopy. Greg Monroe established deep position on Byron Mullens all night. The Bobcats starting frontcourt doesn't have the strength to defend someone like Greg Monroe. On the other side of things, Boris Diaw had his own fair share of trouble with the quicker, longer Jonas Jerebko, whose finishing touch stymied his defenders from tipoff to until he left the hardwood. With the third quarter in the books, the Pistons had 50 points in the paint, while the Bobcats had 50 points total at that time. The Pistons would go away from the strategy in the fourth, adding only two points in the paint in the final quarter.
Tyrus Thomas once again started at small forward, guarding Tayshaun Prince. He was okay on Prince, defensively at least, though Prince is hardly a big offensive threat. Thomas' offensive performance was hardly notable either. He hit three of his four made field goals on spot-up jumpers. Only one Thomas field goal was made in the paint. The problem with Thomas at small forward on offense is that he can't handle the ball. He's too tall, and as such can't keep a low dribble.
The other really bad idea of the night was zone defense. Featuring slow (and sometimes non-existent) rotations and close-outs, the Bobcats defense permitted the Pistons to transition from dominating the paint to extending into the midrange and the land beyond the arc. In the fourth quarter, Detroit hit four threes in consecutive possessions, ending any hopes or intentions the Bobcats had on closing the scoring gap. If the Bobcats did any communicating on the court on defense, it must have been in whispers or via ESP.
As for the rest of the Bobcats, they were mostly forgettable. Byron Mullens and D.J. Augustin are really becoming quite comfortable with each other on the court, forming quite the duo. I lost count of how many alley-oops on which the two connected. Yet, as good as Mullens' hands are in grabbing a lob out of the air, he's still a wholly unimpressive rebounder. He's also a poor defender. He's not strong enough to guard big men on the block and his feet aren't quick enough in reacting on pick and rolls. Augustin was wheelin' and dealin' as a distributor, but didn't become aggressive in finding his own shot until the second half. Still, I can't be mad at 13 assists and two turnovers. Gerald Henderson and Boris Diaw were both practically invisible. Diaw's stat line suggests otherwise, but he really wasn't good tonight on either side of the court. He never found his shot (nor did he make a truly concerted effort) and struggled maneuvering in the paint.
At least the rookies both turned on their 'Don't Play Like Utter Poop' switch and gave me something to like about tonight. Now if only some of the other guys would turn on that switch, too.
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Biyombo needs more playing time
Panther Pride 'till I die.
by mangoes52 on Jan 13, 2012 11:02 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
You know you suck when
Losing Maggette to an injury means you are no longer competitive against anyone (We are 0-6 since his injury and 4 of them were disasters). This team desperately needs a leader who isn’t afraid to call some guys out. I’m not sure who that would be though.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Jan 13, 2012 11:04 PM EST reply actions
Who should get called out?
The team needs to get told they stink? That should be obvious, because they do. Feeling bad about it won’t change that fact.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 13, 2012 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
You don't call out players for talent, you call them out for effort
And that is much needed right now.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Jan 13, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
Wow good call on BB focus
The guy clearly sucks with 5 blocks, I was stupid for calling him a great defensive player
And you too MP for getting it right with Kemba, the dude just outplayed the PG he was picked after in pretty much every category with significantly less miniutes gosh Kemba is terrible
Good calls you 2
5 blocks, and what else?
If you can’t score, and they’re still scoring, blocks are nothing but fancy bows. Knight was the better player for contributing to the team that DID the blowing out, not the other way around.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 13, 2012 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
Knight was starting and playing PG with 35 miniutes
Kemba was playing SG mostly with only 22 and Knight only had 5 assists which was just 3 more. And really your going to knock a guy who had 5 blocks in 12 miniutes and only took 3 shots? Wow thats pretty sad they both proved you wrong tonight stop acting like a bith and suck it up and admit they had a good game but I doubt your man enough. Its pretty sad they both had great games and your not even happy you actually seem upset, it just shows you are not a fan.
man don't start this crap
Lemonade was a popular drink and it still is,
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by Ben Swanson on Jan 13, 2012 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
Note the content of my message above.
I wrote about the players, and nothing else. You wrote about the players…and attacked me as a person. There’s a difference, buddy.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
Not like im wrong
Your not man enough to admit they had a good game. I dont expect you to say you were wrong but I thought maybe you were good enough to say they were good tonight. And you are clearly not happy that they had a good game because your acting upset and still saying they suck, thats not being a fan.
And now you leave commentary about the players out almost entirely.
Even after being called out by the site’s manager, you aren’t really seeing how this works, are you?
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
Do you really think I care if Ben calls me out?
Your refuse to be a man and live up to the fact that for atleast tonight you were wrong and not only that your upset they had good games.
Right now here’s what I’m seeing: Michael makes valid points. Sure, they’re not optimistic, but that’s his opinion on the players in question, no fault in that. I also see you making an argument, which then devolves into namecalling (“bith”, calling his manhood into question) and questioning Michael as a fan. So he doesn’t share the same opinion as you on these players. You may have to face facts that neither of you are able to compromise on these tenets, and move on.
Look, I’ve been there. Michael and I have had our verbal scuffles in the past. I’ve acted rashly and argued with him, probably writing my own personal attacks. It didn’t take me long afterwards to realize how childish and rashly I acted. Writing something emotional in the moment may feel good initially, but trust me, it doesn’t amount to anything.
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by Ben Swanson on Jan 14, 2012 1:37 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Nobody wants him here Ben
Im sorry if me calling him out on things annoys you somehow but this blog is not fun when he get on here and just talks crap about all our players, im scared to come on here now. Im not going to stop what im doing whenever he continues to do this I dont know if you read his comments but he does not make valid points all he does is spew crap out of his mouth he contributes nothing to this blog he is a troll and that is not just my opinion it is everyone except focus.
The word nobody and me are different entities.
If you are “scared” to read somebody’s valid, legitimate criticisms of players on your team (as Ben has above noted that they are), that’s a problem with you, not anybody else.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Also Ben
Im not mean to him because of his opinions, I dont care what his opinion I care how he presents it. I dont know what yourr smoking to say he makes valid points but he never does all he does is say the same thing over and over again showing no proof this opinion is right and when someone proves him worng he continues to say the same thing. Im a little insulted that you think I get on here and insult him because of his opinion. i think you need to know the situation a little better before you call me out on this and try to mediate.
I don't know about that, Ben.
I understand that he has every right to his opinions on the Bobcats’ players. Although at some point he blew past opinion and intentionally became a troll.
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
It's amazing to me how people believe it's impossible for others to think different things than them.
Were you guys raised in a communist country? I’m just curious.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
Your opinions have no meaning and you present them with no logic
You and focus are the same as far as opinion and noone bashes him like this because he has logic and presents them in a way that you can tell he is still a fan and not just saying them to be a jerk (except for BB which he is wrong about). You present no logic and when people prove you wrong you just keep saying the same thing, no one cares what your opinion is we care about how you insult our team. Isnt it bad when no one thinks your a fan?
Isn't it bad when you have a personal vendetta against somebody you don't even know?
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
I dont have a vendetta torwards you
I just think you are not a fan and should not be on a blog site with real fans. I also dont think you should be talking sports but no I do not hate you or wish you harm like you do Kemba or BB.
You are ridiculous.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
No, I can assure you that's not the problem.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Then what am I being ridiculous
About I just told you I do not have a vendetta for you. But whenever a person is extremely negative about everything his fandom needs to be called into question and whenver you are upset that a player or players in this situation have a good game then you clearly do not like them or as I have said hate them.
I wish Ben would stop this from both of you
The back and forth is so compelling
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by Bring Back Primoz on Jan 14, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What should I stop, precisely?
I’m following the rules.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
What exactly does any of this have to do with the game last night?
And reading the 2 of you go back and forth, saying the same useless crap over and over again isn’t compelling. It’s childish. It makes me consider not returning to RoF, actually. I guarantee you everyone other than you 2 idiots wish you would stop.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Jan 14, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I can attest to this being the truth.
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by Panthers FTW on Jan 14, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Really im the idiot
For defnding our rookies ok Primoz thanks man because you have never gotten mad at MP.
TS, he drives me insane
I love the fact you are defending our guys, I just don’t love the way you go about it. I just wish everyone on here would stop replying to MP, and then maybe he will go away.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Jan 14, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
I will do that easily
But not everyone else will then I will feel I will have to help defend the guy he is going after with this crap. Im sorry if I get vulgar and personal but that is how I act torwards ignoratn people in real life as well
Do you really think I wanna argue with this guy?
No but I dont want to keep getting on here and read all the terrible comments he has made about our players
He just gets off on irritating people
He needs the attention. Just ignore him.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Jan 14, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
So long as by 'everyone,' you mean you.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
I don't get off on anything.
I have a right (just as you and TSB do) to share my opinions on this, a sports blog. That’s the whole point.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Isnt that what a blog is for
Look Ben is going to have to ban me if he wants me to stop because im not going to stop defending my team im sorry
Still waiting for those "good games."
A good game, to me, is one in which the player is productive, efficient and contributes to his team’s performance in a win, or at least a competitive loss.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
His stats certainly didn't contribute to us being competitive in the game, if that's what you mean.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
And if he had been so great, why didn't he play more?
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Aha...
I’m struck he has quite a bit more knowledge, experience, and acumen as an NBA coach than you do.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 15, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
He was already banned by CSR so he must be doing something wrong
And we all see it except you Ben. Also he is the one that rec’d your comment if you go and look at his recent history so dont think anyone else agrees with you.
I was very impressed by several of Biyombo's blocks.
But one tool does not make you an NBA player. See: Carroll, Matt (three-point shooting), or Bradley, Shawn (height), or McGuire, Dominic (ability to play the right way.) And you quoting Walker’s superior stats will not convince me that he had the superior game. Knight had an efficient, turnover-free night and orchestrated an offense which blew out a Bobcats team with very similar talent. He also led Detroit with ten rebounds, which is a rather curious statistic for you to overlook given the guy’s size and position.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
Walker was 6-8 thats plenty efficient
Knight was the starter why should Kemba being the backup have to lead the team to a wi, if you wanna blame someone for that blame DJ. The dude had a great game I dont know why you cant just admit that he had a good game are you that scared to admit something?And everyone has been talking about how good a rebounder Kemba is for his size just because he didnt do it tonight doesnt mean anyything. And you havent given BB time to develop anything else.
Walker sits below 3 RPG for the year.
That’s hardly good, and stretches far further back than this game. And I don’t need to give Biyombo time to develop. That time was supposed to be before he got drafted and became a multi-millionaire for his supposed ability to play basketball. Frankly, I think we would have been FAR better served leaving him over in Spain, as the Raps are doing with Valanciunas, and as the Spurs have done multiple times to good effect. But his level of NBA readiness is just another reason in a long line as to why a team in the state of the Bobcats should have had no business selecting him as high as #7 period, much less trading away valuable assets to do so.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
He has 8 rebounds 3 games ago
I also like how now your only talking about how he cant rebound which is irrelevant for a PG. And rookie dont need time to develop? Really? even LeBron and Kobe and Carmelo needed to develop and hell LeBron is still developing he is just not able to be effective in the post. That was an idiotic statement every player needs time to develop no player is at there ceiling their first year. And you act like it was a stretch to draft him when he was not going to make it out of the lottery.
If a guy is "not going to make it out of the lottery"...
He’s going to be picked by #14. That is NOT a justification to trade up and draft him at #7. And at no point did I say that players don’t develop; however, if a player has not developed to the point that he can get on the floor, he probably shouldn’t be drafted at seven.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
It's not about being fully developed.
It’s about being developed enough to see meaningful playing time without being an embarrassment.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Thats the coaches fault not
Do you realize how hard it is just to get one block. You act like blocks are something everyone can do and it is easy it is an amazing skill to have it takes timing and good hands and being smart about it because you have to time your jump just right and make sure you have all ball. The 18 year old had 5 in 12 miniutes last night, he has a foundation of which to build on. He is 12 games in and had no off season you have no reason to say he has no potential or is a bad player you are wrong on every level. Who cares where he was drafted dont blame him for that blame Cho he is exceeding expectations that we had for him if you will stop blaming him for where he was drafted and just let him be him.
I meant to say it is the coaches fault he gets no playing time
Silas has never been good at lineups or how many miniutes a player should get so dont say its because he thinks he sucks.
He has ONE skill!
You cannot survive in the NBA with ONE SKILL! If a 2-3-1 line exceeds your expectations for Biyombo, that’s further proof he should never have been selected where he was.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
I don't need to.
He is not ready to contribute at all on an awful team which would take anything he could give. That’s a HUGE problem.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Actually you do because he is on your so called favorite team
Every rookie needs to develop. Maybe if you give him a year he will have tme to develop. You are not a coach or GM you cannot measure his potential. Especially sense you never saw him play over seas.
Every rookie should have a defined set of abilities so that they can perform in the NBA. Maybe if you give him a year, he’ll be no better than he is now. You are not a coach or GM you cannot measure his improvement. Especially sense (sic) you never saw him play over seas (sic.)
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
We've already established a defined set of abilities for Biyombo.
Defense and rebounding.
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by Panthers FTW on Jan 14, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
...so where's the rebounding? And where's the defense in any way other than shotblocking?
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
He's working on it.
It’s a work in progress.
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by Panthers FTW on Jan 14, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
He plays great defnse without the blocking
You just actually have to use your eyes because there is no statline for that
And maybe if you give him a year he will be great
And im not the one saying he will be terrible like you and im not even saying he will be great im just saying he needs more time. So I dont know why your using the whole your not a GM or coach thing on me when im not saying what he will be im just saying what I THINK he will be. But you are saying he will suck and not saying there is a chance he will be good.
Andrew Bynum was selected 10th by the Lakers
Pretty much put up the same stat line as Biyombo. In 7.3 minutes a game he averaged 1.6 pts, 1.7 rebs, 0.5 blks, and 40.2% FG compared to Biyombo’s 11.6 mins, 2.0 pts, 2.8 rebs, 1.4 blks and 35.7% FG%.
He was also playing for a playoff team and blocked by two veterans.
Biyombo’s on one of the worst teams in the league, with no discernible veteran talent whatsoever ahead of him at his position.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
That is irrelevant to the argument
If BB was given this same amount of time on the Lakers he would average the same.
It's not irrelevant.
They didn’t have time to play a player who wasn’t ready because they were trying to win. We’re absolutely not, yet Biyombo still can’t get on the floor.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
You're off dude.
The 2005-2006 Lakers (Bynum’s Rookie Year) won only 45 games while starting Chris Mihm at center. They were knocked out in the first round. They were a bad team that year, and had no talent in the front court. We have a better front court this year than the Lakers did.
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
Stop it FirstCat
I hate when you let facts get in the way of a good argument
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by Bring Back Primoz on Jan 14, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
That didn't display so well
I hate when you let facts get in the way of a good argument.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Jan 14, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
Chris Mihm, who was coming off of a 10-7 year with over 50% shooting.
Who on the Bobcats has produced numbers like that?
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 15, 2012 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
Okay, he was on a playoff team
That explains why he had a bad shooting percentage and didn’t do anything when he played.
i tend to stay out of this crap because i've known about MP for years on the CO site
but using Bynum as a parallel is a perfect example of why you cant jump ship after only a small percentage of the entire season has transpired. I have never seen MP be anything more than a troll/devils advocate on 3 different websites. Its obvious what his goals are in every discussion as he never contributes positively to a good discussion, its always that one nitpick that no one cares about and he always grossly exacerbates it.
If nobody cares about a point you're making...
you probably shouldn’t be making it.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Hard to get in much of a rhythm when you're only playing every other game for seven minutes a pop.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Hard to get into a rhythm
Playing on a new team that isn’t any good with no time to get acclimated to the new environment.
But what about the great Kemba Walker?
I thought he was doing awesome! Or that’s what people keep telling me.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
He's doing about as well as the rest of our terrible team.
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by Panthers FTW on Jan 14, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
He's been playing well
Up and down so far, but all in all he’s had a pretty good start. But the team as a whole is bad. We all know this.
He was about to be drafted by the Pistons at #8.
I don’t understand how you can make an argument saying we picked him too early.
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by Panthers FTW on Jan 14, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Because he's awful?
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
...and his THREE YEARS of professional experience, in which he was also decidedly unproductive.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
How are yo going to sit here and tell me he was unproductive overseas
He would not have been drafted if he was terrible overseas
Umm...because he was 6-5-2.
Would those numbers impress you from a kid playing in college?
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Playing time overseas is scarce
No one has numbers that would impress in the league he was playing in. And you didnt answer why he was going to be drafted before the Nike hoop summit. Not as high of course but he wouldnt be drafted if he sucked
No? Funny.
Jaycee Carroll scored 20 a game in 29 minutes on 47% shooting. Pretty impressive for a guard. Rob Kurz put up 14-9-1. Hell, Nik Caner-Medley put up 14 and 8. All three of those guys have had their NBA chances and flopped. But Biyombo is going to be worth the #7 pick somehow? Ok, cool.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
All bad players that were in their 20’s by the time they got to the states. Not relevant. Next.
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
Not to mention the fact that almost nobody gets big minutes in Europe when they're 20 or younger
They prefer to play rugged old dudes, even if the young guy behind him is clearly more talented. That’s just the way it is. Brandon Jennings went over there and didn’t play at all, and almost every guy drafted out of Europe wasn’t playing big minutes. Anybody that uses Biyombo’s playing time in Europe as an argument that he doesn’t belong in the NBA simply doesn’t understand. The fact that Biyombo still ended up as a league leader in blocks under those conditions is extremely impressive.
Charlotte: Where rebuilding happens
Yes, "rugged old dudes," like a 27-year-old Nik Caner-Medley.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 15, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
It's not much older than 23.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 17, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
27 - 18 = 9 years
Nuff said… young players sit on the bench in favor of older players in Europe, pretty much without exception
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Overseas stats never lie
Like Ricky Rubio averaging 6.5 pts 3.6 asts and shooting 39.2 % from the field in Spain last year.
Or like Omar Cook, who was second in the league in assists.
Great players were obviously over there blocking people like Biyombo from performing.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
Ohhh.
Good point. Hadn’t thought about Rubio’s transition.
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by Panthers FTW on Jan 14, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
And Rubio is producing, proving that he is a capable NBA player.
How is Biyombo doing that?
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Rubio is a better player.
Doesn’t mean BB will somehow succeed because of it.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
Ha...
You’re seeing that, huh? I’m impressed!
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
um, I’d be wary about making definitive statements about any rookie off this one game in which neither had a ton of playing time and considering they’re only 12 games into their career. Especially this season, with the extremely short training camp and preseason.
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by Panthers FTW on Jan 14, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Not to mention he's only 19.
Kid is still growing.
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by Panthers FTW on Jan 14, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
...unless he's 25.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
There is no evidence of that being the case.
That’s just a popular joke because he just so happens to look older.
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by Panthers FTW on Jan 14, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
...except the lack of records showing his age at all.
So there’s just as much evidence for 25 as 19.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
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by Panthers FTW on Jan 14, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
If he really is 25, then it was a terrible pick.
I’m inclined to believe in what he says and go with him being 19. And since we, apparently, have no way of knowing, we might as well accept it.
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by Panthers FTW on Jan 14, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Bone Charts have proven he is 19. Next.
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
...a totally inconclusive "science."
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 15, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
Wow now your shrugging of facts
Your actually putting your opinion against a proven fact. You have issues man. Unless that was sarcasm which I cant tell anymore
Our research has revealed some slightly different information. Coaches who have worked with Biyombo earlier in his career while he was still in Congo think he’s "no older than 20 at most," while Biyombo’s agent, Igor Crespo, has evidence that proves Biyombo is even younger.
Crespo says he took Biyombo to a specialist to conduct a bone age study immediately upon his arrival in Spain (Biyombo was reportedly 16). The study, as explained here involves taking x-rays of an adolescent’s wrist and hand to see if his growth plates are still open. Because the cartilage in Biyombo’s hand hadn’t fused at that point, the specialist came to the conclusion that he could be 16 or 17 at most, but not 18, when growth plates are expected to be closed.
His agent...
Yeah, a good, neutral party with no interest in the outcome of such results, huh?
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 17, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
No need for quotes "buddy"
It is science, and it has been proven. But since it contradicts you, it must be witchcraft.
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Yeah, because his agent said so!
You know, the guy who stands to cut a percentage of every dollar Biyombo’s going to make over the next ten years?
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 17, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
He HAS had a ton of playing time.
He’s played three years of professional basketball. This is his fourth.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Overseas is not the NBA
Your just using anything to try and prove your point because we are proving your arguments false and unreasonable.
I'm just using facts because you slurp on this guy no matter what the evidence.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
He's 19.
I doubt the level of competition he was playing in Spain differs largely from someone coming from a top level college program.
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by Panthers FTW on Jan 14, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
So you would be impressed by a guy putting up 6-5-2 in college?
You’d be happy picking that player #7 in the draft?
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
I feel like I'm wrong with what I said above.
I don’t know the level of competition over in Spain, so trying to make a definitive statement one way or another was just ignorant on my part.
Playing against full grown men who play for a living is probably harder than playing against kids that are just on scholarship. That might explain why he put up numbers that aren’t that terrific.
Give him time.
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by Panthers FTW on Jan 14, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Or the fact that he just isn't very good could explain the problem just as easily.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
That is an explanation, you're right.
But it’s lazy analysis and extremely pessimistic. We’re all entitled to our beliefs, but I just happen to believe you’re flat out wrong on this one.
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by Panthers FTW on Jan 14, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
He would have better coaching and have more playing time in college
You cannot use this argument sense overseas and college are two different elements all together
Knight averages 3.4 rpg
Knight also only averages 2.7 apg where as Kemba averages 3. With once again more miniutes and was tooken earlier than Kemba.
We knew he couldn't score.
We got him for his rebounding and his defense. He’s showing great strides in those areas. I understand you don’t like the fact that he can’t play offense and is still a work in progress, but we’re aiming for upside over present-day performance. We could have taken someone who was more ready with the #7 pick. Where would that have gotten us this season? Maybe a couple extra wins. If he pans out like me and lots of other people think he will, we’ll have a hell of a player right when our rebuilding process is finishing up. If he never develops into the player we’re hoping, you’re right, it was a terrible pick, and you can shove it in our faces for the rest of eternity.
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by Panthers FTW on Jan 14, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Show me how he's such a fantastic rebounder, exactly.
I’m not talking about this season. I’m talking about this season AND the future. We can be confident that MarShon Brooks is going to be a productive NBA player throughout his career, because he’s already doing it. We have no idea whatsoever whether Biyombo can do that, because he’s shown no signs of being able to produce at a competent NBA level in anything other than shotblocking, which is not enough to play him more than situationally.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
He was pretty much saying that
He was saying you need to be a reasonable person and give him time to fully develop which is something every rookie needs to do. And in the end of you were wrong you were wrong and if you were right you were right.
I bet you still think Darko and Ajinca just need more time to develop, huh?
Or are you a Stromile Swift guy? Ryan Hollins?
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
No not really
But they have been given more then 12 games and never went into a season with no offseason let alone their rookie year
Ha...
So when Biyombo is at 3-4-2 to end the year, will THAT be enough time?
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Just as much as you can...
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
How am I MP?
Have I claimed he will be great? No I have claimed he needs more time where as you have claimed he will suck. Nice try
Comparing MarShon Brooks and Bismack Biyombo is hilarious.
Getting two guards that can score isn’t exactly hard. Getting a C who can play great defense and rebound is hard. We understand you don’t like the pick, but I’ll defer to the people who actually write about basketball for a living who believe in his significant upside.
You can be a grumpy grape about Biyombo all season, but don’t expect anyone to agree with you because:
1) He’s nineteen.
2) The season has barely started.
3) It’s too early to make definitive statements about any rookie.
4) Your manner of debating is somewhat childish.
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by Panthers FTW on Jan 14, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
I'm childish...
Says the guy who defends a player who has not been productive in THREE PLUS years of professional basketball.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Stop trying to add his production overseas which was good compared to player in his league
Its a petty argument
Umm...no it wasn't.
6-5-2.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
...just as long as you ignore greats like...
Rob Kurz! Esteban Batista! Nik Caner-Medley! Stanko Barac! Florent Pietrus! All of these players ranked well ahead of Biyombo on the ACB’s rebounding list.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
They're all older, more experienced players.
Like I’ve said, Biyombo is 19, was 16 when he started playing professionally.
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by Panthers FTW on Jan 14, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
He wasn't 16 last year.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
You're right, he was 18.
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by Panthers FTW on Jan 14, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Just like LeBron was the year before he entered the league.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
What about my statement was wrong?
Just checking.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 15, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
Your comparing LeBron James to Bismack Biyombo
Two players that have nothing in common and where one is a superstar and the other has the potential to be a good player. That is whats wrong, they are so different it doesnt even make sense.
Biyombo was ranked 29th in the ACB in rebounding.
So that’s actually 28 different skillsets which produced superior numbers to the guy we picked 7th…in the NBA Draft.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
What's childish is drawing a line in the sand and never backing down no matter what anyone says to the contrary.
This is what I think whenever I attempt to debate with you:

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 14, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
um, I’d be wary about making definitive statements about any rookie off this one game in which neither had a ton of playing time and considering they’re only 12 games into their career. Especially this season, with the extremely short training camp and preseason.
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by Ben Swanson on Jan 13, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
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by Panthers FTW on Jan 14, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Awful, again.
I wonder how many fans will be showing up by April. The upper deck was only about 3/4 full despite 1,000+ tickets having been given away last week at the Atlanta game and no ticket being sold up top for less than $5. Beyond that, the crowd was just plain disinterested for almost all of the night. At what point does Jordan ask for the lockout to be reinstated so we can stop the bleeding?
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 13, 2012 11:38 PM EST reply actions
It is painful to watch
And with the way the team is playing right now, there is nothing for the crowd to get interested in. I can handle losing (given my expectations) but not being competitive at all is a tough sell. If this keeps up, it will be a ghost town before April.
Just curious, are you a STH, MP?
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by Bring Back Primoz on Jan 13, 2012 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
I am not this season...
I’ve had a few partial packages in the past. This year, I’m mostly picking and choosing based on ticket offers, and the $5 tix were too good to pass up. Sat in the second row of the mezzanine last week on the sideline corner, and front row on the baseline tonight.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
I hope they're giving season ticket holders some sort of give back
for spending money on seats that are essentially worthless now.
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Ha...
If they were dumb enough to buy in with any expectation of being competitive, I think that’s on them. To be fair, though, I think they were basically selling seats on season deals at a basically 50% discount, which is pretty unheard of. Darren Rovell noted how unusual it was.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think it's "on them" necessarily
if I bought a seat for $50 and they’re now selling that seat for $25, I’d be pretty upset.
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You'd also be a sucker for getting in at that level in the first place.
I was also talking about the original pricing, but these kinds of deals (like the $5 uppers) have been happening for several seasons now because they’re simply that desperate to fill seats.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
I have 2 lowers this year
And they did provide free parking and $20 in concessions every game. That is a pretty sweet deal. To be a STH for this team, you have to just enjoy watching basketball, watching players develop, and like the atmosphere of being in the arena. I love it, much better than sitting on the couch every night.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Jan 14, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
agreed Primoz
I’ve never had season tickets, but I totally agree with your sentiments.
by Roger, Roger on Jan 14, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
oh i understand the benefits of being a season ticket holder
i just don’t think it’s fair if you bought season tickets for, let’s say $1000 and all of a sudden the team is now selling those tickets for $500.
are the $20 in concessions / free parking for every game some of the givebacks, or just general perks for the season? and by 2 lowers do you mean they lowered the price for you?
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Diminishing value is a risk to being a STH
At the same time, I’m paying 30% of what most fans are paying for the prime games too so the good comes with the bad. The concession/parking were perks for renewing by a certain deadline. And “lowers” refers to 2 seats in the lower level.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Jan 14, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm glad I spent most of my night talking about the Jesus Montero trade
instead of watching this game.
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Yeah!
As a Yanks fan myself, I was shocked this evening!! Didn’t see that coming! But I love Pineda!!! He’s gonna be nasty in the BX. It’s like having a 22 yr old, righty version of CC. He’s got fire. I like Montero, but…….“the Yankees win!!”
by mives36 on Jan 14, 2012 1:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
No one saw it coming.
It was the craziest deal of the off-season hands down. I’ve followed Montero for three years now, so I’m disappointed he’s not going to be mashing at the Stadium, but Pineda is a nice piece. I just hope we see the first half Pineda more than the second half Pineda over the next 5 years.
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What do you know about the young Sanchez?
Catcher in the farm system? I dont know crap, but sounds like his future prospects make the loss of Jesus lessened.
by mives36 on Jan 14, 2012 1:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
gary sanchez projects to be a very good hitter with okay defense behind the plate
he’s only 19 and i think he’s still in A ball, so he’s got a ways to go, but has shown good potential. he lacks maturity and had to be benched for a while due to outbursts. too early to tell if he’ll be the catcher of the future. for now we’ll stick with martin, who cashman loves, and either cervelli or romine as the backup with the loser of that competition likely traded for a SS/3B prospect or an OF prospect.
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Just FYI...
A 22-year-old Sabathia went 37-30 with an ERA over 4 between 22 and 24.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
neither are good metrics for performance
but i understand your premise
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His WHIP was above 1.35, and his FIP was around 4, too.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, pineda has more control now than cc did then..perhaps even now
Pineda had 2.9 BB/9 and 9.1 K/9 in his first season
It wasn’t until Sabathia’s 5th season that he got below 2.9 BB/9 and has never had a k/9 above 9 in his career.
Admittedly Pineda was pitching in the weak AL West, but it’s not like CC was pitching against anyone better in a mediocre AL Central
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Anyone who is watching the Heat-Nuggets game
Ty Lawson just did what i want to see Kemba do all the time.
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You know....
If you play your game “the right way” as an undersized PG (Lawson, KEMBA) that you can be the best player on the floor any given night??
maybe we shouldn’t give up on this Walker kid yet (he gon be nice!!!)
by mives36 on Jan 14, 2012 1:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
His five turnovers were obviously less than ideal.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
I would gladly take Lawson's line any day of the week.
He went 9-11 from the field with 6-7 from the line for 24 points, 3 rebounds, 9 assists, 2 steals. He made up for his 5 turnovers by being so efficient with his shot selection.
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Draft
I am wondering who the Bobcats should try to get as a draft pick. A friend of mine was saying this was a good draft to have multiple picks in. The Nuggets are showing that you don’t necessarily need all stars but loads of draft picks. I hope they don’t draft Sullinger because he will be an undersized PF with weight problems. I saw one mock draft and they had us getting Andre Drummond, the center for Connecticut. I heard that he is a center that likes to shoot from the perimeter instead of going in the low post which we have with Mullens already. Harrison Barnes could be a Carmelo Anthony type or a Rudy Gay type. Who should we draft?
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Avoid Barnes for you guys
Go for highest ceiling, he can be good but Anthony Davis , Jeremy Lamb, Sullinger or Drummond are better choices
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Screw highest ceiling.
I’d rather take a player you can count on to contribute at SOME point in their NBA career.
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We want the players with the highest ceilings.
If we want to win NBA Championships, we should aim for “best of the best” not “contribute at SOME point in their NBA career.”
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by Panthers FTW on Jan 14, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
No.
We want the players who won’t be out of the league in three years. We should aim for “can competently perform at the NBA level” not “if everything works out, he might be able to maybe, potentially do pretty well as long as you ignore his flaws.”
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
That may be how you'd build a team.
From what I see, you need to pick players who have the chance to be elite at one thing or another. You win games with players that have elite skills, not players who can merely be competent.
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by Panthers FTW on Jan 14, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
So do you plan to play Biyombo situationally?
Because all he’s useful for on a competitive team is defending the post for end-of-clock plays.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
I plan on waiting until watching him play and develop throughout the course of the season before making any claims of grandeur or bust.
I’m a little more patient than you.
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by Panthers FTW on Jan 14, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
If you want to make it out of the first round once in the next decade then be my guest. Personally, I wan’t the guy with the highest potential.
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
...so you're saying that players who can only play four or five minutes a game will help that cause?
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 15, 2012 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
Nope, he's not saying that at all
Putting words in someone’s mouth….yet….again
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He's saying he wants the guy with the highest potential regardless.
Right now, that’s supposedly Biyombo, who has not definitely proven he can do any more than that at the NBA level.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 17, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
Huh?
The Nuggets didn’t have a single first-round pick between ‘06 and ’010, and they only made two picks total in that span. And if you’re going to skip drafting any player because of Byron Mullens…you’re not doing it right.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Whos got a vid of Biyombo's blocks?
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Are you embarrassed??
by mives36 on Jan 14, 2012 2:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Random question...
When i saw a Warriors fan
by mives36 on Jan 14, 2012 2:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Nah , it almost worked
Outside shooting killed us more honestly
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I never thought I'd say this before the season started...
Byron Mullens is my favorite Bobcats player to watch. He leads our team in Hollinger’s PER rankings. Best surprise I’ve witnessed for this team since Wallace began to blossom as our eventual first all-star.
Bench Diaw, start White, and I swear our starting five will start to care again. I wrote this towards the end of the game thread, but that Que Sara Sara demeanor of his is rubbing off on the players with whom he shares time on the court. Minimize his damage, and assign him to the end of the bench…at least until the 01/24/12. If he pouts, so what? What’s he going to do, score in the other team’s basket?
Look, we need scoring. Diop was given a try as the starter for a hot second, but Mullens is a million times better as a scorer, so Silas (wisely) pulled the trigger. D-Dub was becoming a virtual double-double lock as a starter. What am I missing here?
By the way, the next three highest Bobcats on the PER list is Augustin, Walker, and…

(Diaw is 5th on our team, for those who were wondering)
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by Newsinz on Jan 14, 2012 5:42 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
The only thing I see in this picture is how freakishly big his hands are.
He’s no Kenneth Faried, but still.
The start of the games put the cats in the hole for good. SILAS, U MUST PUT A DEFENSIVE TEAM ON THE CT FIRST!!!
Tyreese thomas cannot play def or offensive sf and he kills the start. Go back to brown at sf. Just get him some easy buckets like dj did w mullens last nite. The key to dominance in the paint was the great passing of the center in the middle of the pistons offense. He , monroe hit cutters to the basket. A cutter has never been hit ever on the cats team going to the basket or a cutter going bak door. EVER!!!!
The zone was poor in rotating. They must identify n target n overplay the hooters on the one. Conider half ct traps and three qtr presses or at least full ct on the ball pressure to slow up these teams .
Dj was tremendous in getn assists in the paint . The only problem was he didnt distribute to anyone but mullens. Even tho , these were passes on the break and in half ct sets .. He must keep this up if only to showcase him. Mj aint gunna resign him w kemba here. He will be in great demand, he can play n score on a top team who will pay him way more than what mj will.
Dj wants to make the allstar team if hes on the ballot … His time is being cut into by kemba.. He will continue to shoot first and pass in the paint 2nd unlike last nite unfortunately. kemba must play under control and not force as he id last nite. He tried to pass too whc was good.
Its the defense in the paint whc is weaker than weak. Mullens, as good as he is shud not start if he cant stop anyone whc he hasnt done yet. Hes taken off the dribble at will.THIS IS THE REASON UR STARTERS HAVE QUIT SILAS AND MJ.
PUT A DEFENSIVE TEAM OUT THERE, AT LEAST AT FIRST. THAT MEANS ,DJ, HENDERSON,BROWN,DIAW AND NOT MULLENS … STOP THE OFFENSIVE STAGNANCY AND HIT CUTTERS FOR EASY BUCKETS. THE POST HERE THAT SAID MJ WANTS TO LOSE BY LESS THAN FOUR PTS IS CORRECT .. BLOWOUTS WILL CAUSE A BACKLASH W IRREVERSIBLE CONSEQUENCES.
I agree with Louis
Tyrus makes the starting team worse because his play is erratic. He cannot defend, he doesn’t know how to avoid the picks, he doesn’t sewitch or pick up on defense at the right times, he doesn’t know how to cut without the ball or move to the open spaces on the court when the ball isn’t in his hands,, he can’t defend anyone in the post because not only is he physically weak, but he plays weak and dumb, he can’t make a move and go to the basket because he jus doesn’t know the fundamentals to the game.
When we had Maggette or Brown out there at least the team looked professional and they kept games close, even winnng some games, but with Tyrus we look like crap, and I’ve noticed this since Silas has been there. Tyrus has really regressed, it’s not Silas fault per se, it’s just the fact that Tyrus came into the league raw and has had 5 or 6 different coaches in his 6 seasons. He needs the D league more than Bitombo at this point.
Mullens is my favorite Bobcat right now, the way this guy enters the games and just shoots away with supreme confidence is impressive (probably because he has a nice shot). Mullens is another guy who cold use a big man coach to teach him the inside game, Mullens has decent athleticism for his size, he should rebound and play defense alot better than he does. He just needs to play like…..a convict, he needs to toughen up, fight for every rebound and not play so weak against opposing teams.
Kemba is starting to wear on me, he’s a player with heart and he clearly doesn’t like losing. Again, he’s a very small guy, and basketball is a big mans game. If we want Kemba to be our guy, it’s almost time to start him because he’s gonna need to get the experience and learn how to play against the bigger players in the league at some point and we need to see if this guy is for real or not. The way this team is going, we are lottery bound anyway, let Kemba get his minutes.
Biyombo is the same way, he should be the first big coming off the bench, if Boris is such a headache for Silas, bench him, White was one of our best players at the PF, but this guy Biyombo should be out there playing too. One thing we know about Biyombo is he’s not scared of anybody and all he knows is no easy shots inside. He wants to learn, he wants to play, he isn’t gonna argue with the coach about what he can do or where he wants to play, let this guy get minutes so he can learn the game.
Thomas hasn't really regressed...
He was never very good.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
What kind of "irreversable consequenses" can there be at this point?
I mean, it’s not like there’s much of a fanbase to lose.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Never thought I would be one of these folks but...
It’s time for Jordan to sell this team. He treats it like a hobby and that’s why they are a joke right now.
Again, no accountability from anyone. Silas just mopes and fails miserabley, but blames the players. His whole coaching staff is useless. He makes the most ridiculous line-up decisions, constantly putting players in the game out of position, not punishing missed shots and turnovers, starting players who are inefficient, not making halftime adjustments, taking players out the game who are hot, keeping cold players in for long stretches, etc, etc.
I thought Kemba was brought in to be the leader, to give them a winning attitude, to provide a spark, to bring excitement to this team. Where is all of that? Again, he will never be effective coming off the bench. I really hate Silas at this point, he is literally the NBA version of last years John Fox. Jordan, please step in and make this guy give the rookies more minutes.
"You ain't supposed to be smiling and giggling after we lose. I've never had the mentality of losing in my whole life and for a person to tell me you can't win them all, that's a loser's mentality." - Cam Newton
DWG I disagree with Silas
I don’t think thihs is wrong how he’s handled Kemba. Kemba was the 9th pick in the draft, he’s drafted to play a position he wasn’t really groomed to play. DJ is another young player we drafted for the same position and in training camp DJ was just the safer more logical pick to start for the team. Silas is trying to get Kemba minutes, even playing that small lineup of Kemba and DJ together just so the rookie can play. By all accounts DJ came into the season focused and playing his heart out because he wants his job, you can’t just take it from him and give his job to someone who’s unproven. Kyrie Irving didn’t start, Rubio still doesn’t start, and these guys were drafted a bit higher and are clearly the better players. Besides DJ was playing really good ball for us. Just relax, I think Kemba is gonna get more and more minutes and may even be the starter before the season ends.
What are you talking about with Walker?
He was drafted to play point guard, the position he played for the majority of his college career, and the position he MUST play to be a successful NBA player. And P.S.: Irving has started every game he’s played in, and Rubio is now starting, with Ridnour moving to the off-guard spot. Funny, how you can play a PG at the two when he’s not 5’9" (love for my 5’9" homies, though.)
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Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!
by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Height w/ Shoes (Standard Measurement)=6'1"
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kemba-Walker-5152/
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Sarcasm (a device using exaggeration to make a point)=what just happened.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sarcasm
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 15, 2012 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
Use the sarcasm font so that doesnt happen
Your always serious and take shots at Kemba how was he supposed to know that was sarcasm?
Dude what are you talking about with MJ?
He is doing everything right, right now. He has done nothing wrong and I see people calling him out everyday. How can you say he treats it as a hobby when you dont knoiw the man? What do you expect him to do about Silas fire him? He did that last year it would look stupid to fire a coach mid season two seasons in a row.
Nothing wrong?
Jordan, as both owner and top basketball decision-maker, is ultimately responsible for the garbage we see on the court most every game.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
He did it to make us a better team
Im sure youll disagree but I really dont care. He is doing nothing wrong at the moment I dont know what he is doing wrong in your world though
He's already had his shot at that.
That was when we were scraping the lottery tax limit with Tyson Chandler as our highest-paid player producing 6-6-1 so that we could get swept by a decidedly non-elite Orlando team. How many different methods will Jordan try and fail to make us a better team before he actually deserves to be criticized in your world?
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
People are not being fair to MJ thats all im going to say
Sense he has been owner I have not seen him make a mistake in my own opinion
We've been about a .400 team since he took over.
That’s success in your mind?
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 15, 2012 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
He has been owner for 2 years not really much to be worried about
And where did I say we have had success, or are you just putting words in my mouth AGAIN.
So you're admitting the team hasn't been good, yet he hasn't made a single mistake?
Are we forever cursed to suck?
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 17, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
What date are you using, exactly?
He has been in control of basketball decisions for a lot longer than two years.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 17, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
Silas is ABSOLUTELY the "NBA version of John Fox."
He’s got an awful team that no coach could succeed with, but the owner would be too embarrassed to fire him given the horrid situation he put the coach in.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
You both deserve a highfive.
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by Panthers FTW on Jan 14, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Bobcats got two top plays on Sportcenter Kemba cross over was #10 and DJ alley oop to Mullens was #8
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"EXCITEMENT!"
That’ll bring the crowds in for miles.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
I can't help but read everything you say in a sarcastic way
so I’m interpreting this as sarcasm.
If you don’t think that people pay money for excitement, you are wrong. One large form of entertainment? Excitement.
by Tim Rudisill on Jan 14, 2012 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
They don't pay to see exciting losers.
Otherwise, the Kings would draw better.
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 15, 2012 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
I'm going to pretend this game never happened.
I’m watching Kentucky-Tennesse right now, and damn, they are scared to death of Anthony Davis. I want him in a Bobcat’s uniform, lottery pingpong balls be willing.
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Anthony Davis
Anthony Davis is a PF and we have glutton of PF ‘s on the team. We need a center, small forward and Shooting guard. Unless we plan on unloading some of our PF’s on another team.
by jayo28262 on Jan 14, 2012 1:57 PM EST via mobile reply actions
We need to draft the best player available.
Right now, it appears Anthony Davis is the best player available. Tyrus Thomas is our best
PF, and he’s not exactly lighting the world on fire this year.
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by Panthers FTW on Jan 14, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but Bismack Biyombo's a PF, and he=Hakeem Olajuwon, Hall of Famer!
Haven’t you heard?
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
Nobody said he will be a HOF
You can put words in are mouth I guess but no thats not the truth. We just beleive he can be good if he gets the time.
Boris and Eddie will be gone next year
And we could easily transition him C if we wanted too. And like FTW said we need to take BPA unless its a PG in my opinion.
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by chris in union county on Jan 14, 2012 2:10 PM EST reply actions
Yeah, but we were so mediocre when those guys were here!
Don’t you realize this is better?
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
maybe we can get lucky with the draft this year
and get the next biyombo
Boone Logan is a good boy. So is David Robertson. Team A.J.
Hell, with as good as I hear he is, I'd be glad to have the FIRST one!
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by MichaelProcton on Jan 15, 2012 12:18 AM EST up reply actions

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