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The Cho Cho Train Will Be A Bumpy Ride

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So here we are...........On the morning of January 13th, 2012, our Bobcats sit at 2-9, good for second worst in the south east division behind the woeful Washington Wizards and coming off a flopper against the Atlanta Hawks in which the Bobcats again suffered a lopsided loss.Time to throw in the towel right? We are the same old pathetic Bobcats that we've always been. Nothing has changed. Any glimmer of hope that we had starting out the season with that win over Milwaukee and the close loss to Miami was all just a dream. The days of Cam Newton and Derek Jeter taking time out of their busy schedules to watch our team and chit chat with M.J. courtside are now just a distant memory. This season has been a complete waste and should be tossed in the trash along with every Afro Man and Wyclef Jean CD that you or any immediate relative may own. That's how we're all feeling right? By the way, what persuaded you to buy that Afro Man album?



Oh, and one other question ladies and gentleman.................exactly what were you expecting?

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The Bobcats are one of the most odd collection of players in recent NBA history as far as being built the way traditional franchises have in the past. Everyone on the team seems to have some kind of flaw that every other team can somehow avoid. I mean, really, think about it. Look at our roster. It's so far from the traditional collection of player types that usually get the job done to win a title that it's, as Kanye West would say, Cray. We have two point guards under 6 feet tall who are horrible on defense and had to wait until they were drafted to learn how to think like a point guard and not take the first shot smoking. We have put our trust into a SG who has traditionally been just as good as PFs in the NBA at hitting 3 pointers and stretching the floor (and I'm not talking about Dirk Nowitzki). Our future at the small forward position is pretty non existant and all we have there in the meantime is a minimum wage one in a million player and another who makes you wonder if he'll ever get half of the mojo back that once made him a halfway decent player in the league. We have a glut of PFs on the roster who can compliment each other well but none which are the total package. And our center rotation consists of an overweight player who would be a bench warmer on most teams even when healthy and in shape and an Oklahoma City castoff who is just now getting any playing time in the NBA. It kinda makes you wonder why these guys aren't competing for an NBA championship this year doesn't it? (Feel free to post a sarchasm picture Aisander)

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Will you stick around?

Rules of Rebuilding

The plan from the start has always been the same. Like Nas said, the bridge is over, the bridge is over, now, this is the time to destroy and rebuild. Speaking of Nas, that's a messy situation going on with the kidnapped promoter and the ransom Anywho, the plan for the Cats hasn't changed one bit. That magnificent plan consists of...........DRUMROLL PLEASE.......

1. Eliminating all contracts deemed unreasonable when measured against production. I'm looking at you Eddy, Bo-Jo, CM Punk, Matty Ice, and Diop.

2. Collecting assets in the form of young players on rookie scale contracts or minimum level deals and draft picks. D.J. White and B.J. Mullens immediately come to mind.

3. Giving said young talents the time to develop and learn on the fly. Kemba, Augustin (if not traded), Tyrus, Hendo, and Bismack are all gaining extremely valuable playing/developmental time this year.

4. Position your team to get a high draft pick. We're 2-9, I think we're headed in the right direction.

I haven't always been the brightest bulb on the scoreboard, but I haven't seen anything the team has done recently to go against that game plan. I also don't know if you guys agree about those being the rules to rebuilding, but I welcome anyone to dispute them. (Bring it on Procton!) Either way it goes, we are still in a great position to add to this team through the draft and free agency, though that Tyrus Thomas trade becomes more regretful by the day. And somebody get that boy a damn cheeseburger!

Hey folks, I get it. We suck. And it sucks to see your team lose. But for most of the fans dwelling in this Rufus On Fire community, this is exactly what we signed up for and this is what we will have to endure for the betterment of our franchise. If you can't handle it, I suggest you walk out now because we're not even done tearing this mutha umm umm down yet. I'm not exactly sure when we all started expecting this team to win a lot (maybe after the Heat game?), but it's just not going to happen any time soon. Rule #4 is taking place right in front of our eyes. There has been a great debate on the site about this the past few weeks but I'll tell it to you like it is...............giving your young players time to develop = Constructive Tanking. And I hear a lot of complaints about this generally but I'm not sure what there is to complain about. Do we want all of our young players getting the majority of the minutes? I'm sure we do. I don't see why not. Will these players get better? Absolutely. Not everyone will make great improvements, but young players do get better over time believe it or not. Will the team struggle more because it's the young guys getting significant minutes opposed to the veterans? No doubts about it. Does this help us with the draft? I'm as positive as Magic Johnson that it does. Again, I'm not so sure where the whole tank talk came from anyway, but these players aren't going out there and laying down. They are trying. I know at times it's hard to tell, but what was expected?

This is not an overnight fix. Matters are further complicated when you realize we haven't even slept through the first night yet. Golden Rule #1 hasn't even been fulfilled yet. DeSagana Diop, Matt Carroll, Boris Diaw, Corey Maggette, and Eduardo Najera still occupy roster spots on our team. Until they are gone or on at the least more reasonable salaries (don't worry southtunnel, Boris is back to being garbage), then we are still in the process of tearing the house down. We've lost some good games against New York, Miami, and Atlanta that could have gone either way and had us with a 5-6 record at this point. With a healthy Reggie Williams to stretch the floor more, I'm going out on a limb to say we would have been in a better position to win those close games that we did lose. For me though, what's important is that we are always competitive, which has been true for the most part. I said FOR THE MOST PART so don't go crazy people.

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Will Hendo and Brown be a part of our long term future? Who knows?

Regardless though, in a season like this, it's important not to judge the overall product by what the team is doing, but by what the individual players are doing. This is an evaluation for each and every person on our roster and on a player by player basis, I haven't been very disappointed. It's a known fact that this collection of players will never be good enough to compete for a championship (sorry for that Procton impression, but it's true) so we the first thing we all need to do is realize this is not a finished product. Absolutely no one on the team is safe and should be automatic selections for what we do call the finished product (basically what we look like 3 years from now). And that even includes the rookies Bismack Biyombo and Kemba Walker. It also includes the streaky Henderson, the 132 pound Tyrus Thomas, or the player who will always be remembered by some fans for being selected over Brook Lopez, D.J. Augustin. I'm not saying trade any of these guys away just yet, I know that none of them are as good as they can be right now because they are young. But somewhere along the way, some of these guys are going to have to go and be replaced by new ones if we hope to seriously contend for a title. This team will just never be good enough to beat the Miami Heat in a 7 game series. But that doesn't matter. What does matter is that these guys are going out and improving, increasing their trade value so that they can either be annointed long term rotation players here or so the next time a Deron Williams or a Chris Paul hits the market, we'll have a halfway decent offer to make.

Presti's Genius Benefitting Bobcats

Two of the most impressive Bobcats thus far this year have been former Oklahoma City Thunder teammates D.J. White and Byron Mullens. Mullens, who arrived in a trade for a second round pick early in the season, has averaged a very respectable 12 and 5 in Charlotte while boasting a PER of 21.0, making him our most efficient player already and placing him among the best centers in the NBA. White is at 10 and 6 and has a 15+ per as well. If there are two players that I can absolutely say have a long term future in Charlotte, it's these two guys. And that's absolutely remarkable considering both players couldn't even crack the rotation in Oklahoma City. The fact that Rich Cho was around such a gifted general manager gives me even more faith in him and his moves. Sam Presti knows how to pick them.

Potential Bobcats

Now you know I wasn't going to get through this thread without adding just a little rosterbation right? But this is some new rosterbation. It's rosterbation measured against a general manager who has a consistent plan. What good is that? It can eliminate fantasy deals that put us in a position to acquire the Gilbert Arenas' and David Lee 's (no shots fired) of the world that we were once so used to. Now, we know what kind of players we will get and what we are looking for, and here is a list of guys that I think we could eventually look into.

Omer Asik, Taj Gibson, Luke Harangody, Samardo Samuels, Omri Casspi, Dominique Jones, Terrence Williams, Courtney Lee, Lance Stephenson, Eric Bledsoe, Larry Sanders, Wayne Ellington, Lazar Hayward, Damion James, Landry Fields, Cole Aldrich, Daniel Orton, Earl Clark, Craig Brackins, Robin Lopez, Luke Babbitt, Elliot Williams, Donte Green, Travis Outlaw, James Anderson, James Johnson, Trevor Booker, Jordan Crawford

I know it's not the most impressive list of players, but I'm sure it's one Focus would be proud of and I'm positive Rich Cho has looked into a few of these player's availability. As a matter of fact, everyone on the site will owe me a dollar if one of the players end up being on the team by the end of the year. Bet? Bet. Until the next time, here is a childhood favorite of mine that I always use for situations like this.

Poll
How are you feeling about rebuilding thus far?
I think we're in good position to come out very well.
78 votes
I don't trust M.J. with anything.
12 votes
Kinda in the middle. Excited but scared this team will never be a winner..
31 votes

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great write up. For me personally, like you said, I just need the young pieces to be competitive. If we were that good, making the playoffs or even coming within sniffing distance does little for this team. Slow cooking/getting this terrible players off our team is whats gonna get it done.

Still love Matt Carroll. When he sees that he no longer has his 3 ball then that mid-range jumper is where his money is at.

by Rvdbbw on Jan 13, 2012 12:42 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks. I really think right now it's a matter of finding which players

are worthy of sticking around on a long term basis. Everyone else can be had for the right price. Matty Ice, lol, that guy. Still one of my favorites as well. He’s just ineffective from long range without a lot of playing time. He’s not the type who you can just trust to come in and hit a game winner or anything.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 13, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

This was well put together my friend

TWILL…Samardo…and Taj Gibson are favorites of mine….

by focuslja on Jan 13, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol.

I think me and you share a knack for identifying young, cheap players that could possibly be difference makers with more playing time. There were a few others that I would love to have but didn’t list (like Paul George, he’s like 6’10 now) because I don’t see their teams trading them.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 13, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

sometimes, I guess bc Im so abrasive that people dont understand when I name those type of players. I think they think that I think those guys would lead us into a dynasty. But I just think those guys are players that can hold a team together and pick up slack when the STAR slack up. And I seriously think Wes or TWill will end up here. Maybe not Wes but if Cho is really using that database (depending on which season its based off of course) then TWILL will be the perfect pickup.

Oh and Paul George aint going nowhere…Its like they took Granger’s dna and made Paul George and Roy Hibbert. The Mon-stars…

by focuslja on Jan 13, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Paul George is a created character on 2K12.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 13, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

YEP!!

Him and Donte Greene. 7ft sg’s that can dribble dunk and shoot 3’s. Wouldnt Donte Greene help Kemba out alot? And they never use the kid…

by focuslja on Jan 13, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Sacramento has a history of letting young talent fade away on the bench.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 13, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Hopefully these are the types that Cho is looking at

if he’s really doing the moneyball thing, we should expect to see alot of “who is this guy” players soon. Until we get that star. I mean OKC had one triple double and one 15pt 5reb guy buried on their bench. Im sure he can find a few others…

by focuslja on Jan 13, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

It'll definitely be interesting to see how things go.

I’m already looking forward to the deadline.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 13, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

what else is there to look forward too? haha this team is ass so we got to look forward to something…and the draft is far away

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by MMA_PITBULL on Jan 13, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol, just seeing

who we’ve decided to move on from at that point and what fresh new pieces we’ve acquired. I think we’ll have at least 3 new players on the roster before the season is over.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 13, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Mullens DJ White and Kemba and BB are i think are only concrete pieces…everybody else i think we would trade if offered the right package. id love to see 3 new players by the deadline…this teams core needs a major reconstruction

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by MMA_PITBULL on Jan 13, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, those are the only sure fire building blocks I see thus far,

Mullens and White based on their amazing consistency, and Kemba and Bismack based on we really haven’t had a chance to see what they can offer yet. Henderson, Tyrus, and Augustin are all up in the air right now. I still think Henderson is here for the long term based on the hope the front office I feel has for him and his improvement over the summer. But if this is the best we’re going to see from him, he needs to be a 6th man for us to get over that hump.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 13, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah i like Hendo as does this front office and staff but i dont think he is off limits. He is a perfect 6th man and if the right contender came calling we might pull the trigger if the price was right

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by MMA_PITBULL on Jan 13, 2012 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 13, 2012 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I like TWill too focus

Especially since he can’t seem to crack Houston’s lineup. He averaged a triple double during a short stint in the D-League.

I don’t know if he has any character issues though.

by JDeLong42 on Jan 13, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, he would/should come extra cheap if someone is looking to make a deal for him.

I’m not sure what’s going on with him, but it definitely isn’t a talent issue.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 13, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Well I just read the other day

where he is gonna have a talk with the coach. His attitude (from what I hear) is a whole 360 and his 3pt shot has improved. And he’s not injured. So I just think he reputation has preceeded him. And its not til he gets off the Rockets can we give him his FINAL shot…

by focuslja on Jan 13, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol, I still want to give Gerald Green a shot.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 13, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

If his attitude has come full circle, then why would we take a risk on him?

Look, anyone with an attitude problem who then comes around full circle to continue to have an attitude problem is really not someone that I want to take a risk on with our team. We don’t need that kind of player.

Oh … you meant 180 degrees and not 360?

Actually, I really don’t know what you meant.

by Tim Rudisill on Jan 13, 2012 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol, you know he meant 180.

Stop trolling Timothy.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 13, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I did.

When people screw it up it really grates on me because they are basically arguing against themselves. I can’t stand it.

Side note: my real name is Tim. People always think its Timothy because everyone who goes by Tim is really Timothy. Not me. My mother hated the name Timothy because she didn’t want anyone to call me Timmy. So, there was a compromise and my real name (as seen on my legal documentation) is Tim.

by Tim Rudisill on Jan 13, 2012 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Straight up Tim huh?

That’s crazy. Lol, but yeah, it is a mistake made often that completely kills a person’s argument.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 13, 2012 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I get the same thing with Jon

Since my name has no H they think its short for Jonathan, its simply Jon.

by jovox on Jan 14, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Plenty of players can average big numbers in the D-League.

Translating that to NBA numbers is much more important to your NBA team’s success.

Personal attacks are the weapon of the ignorant.

Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!

by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

TWill, Omri Caspi and Landry Fields

Hopefully we can sign one these guys for a reasonable contract and I think we will not be spending much next season except if Dwight and DWilliams will agree to come here..

Nice right up charlotte bobcat..

by mjfan on Jan 14, 2012 12:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Thank you sir.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 14, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions  

i would trade for Landry Fields, not Casspi

"I don’t want to shoot my mouth in my foot, but those are games we can win."

by mrfrontpage on Jan 14, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Good write CB

I think the important message is that we’re still in the process of tearing it down. So if you’re impatient and are expecting a winner now, you might want to go on a mission trip to Africa for a few years.

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by Bring Back Primoz on Jan 13, 2012 1:51 PM EST reply actions  

Kinda wish a few people would go on a mission trip.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 13, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Indeed.

Bismack and Gana included.

I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 13, 2012 6:37 PM EST up reply actions  

A winner and a competitive team are two different things.

Personal attacks are the weapon of the ignorant.

Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!

by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree with you there

Getting annihilated every night is not acceptable. It is worth noting, however, that we only stopped being competitive since Maggette went down. That’s a sad state of affairs, but the timing lines up.

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by Bring Back Primoz on Jan 14, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

Maggette’s shooting kept us from winning some of those games, but his veteran presence and defense (surprisingly) kept us in most of them. The breakdown hasn’t really come from losing Maggette, but the ripple effect that it’s set off. Like we immediately lose our long term shooting from the wing spots, we have to have Tyrus playing SF, defense is constantly out of position, and so forth.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 14, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Good point.

I had not thought of it that way.

by Tim Rudisill on Jan 14, 2012 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

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by Warmec on Jan 14, 2012 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice write up…kudos for throwing in CM PUNK on the contract situation haha

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by MMA_PITBULL on Jan 13, 2012 2:07 PM EST reply actions  

One of the few wrestlers I actually still like.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 13, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Last of a dying breed. One of the few guys who could of made it in the golden era

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by MMA_PITBULL on Jan 13, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

The Attitude Era.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 13, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Not to take away from this post but if you like wrestling you should check out a guy by the name of Dean Ambrose (formerly Jon Moxley). He is in WWE development at the moment and will be called up shortly after Mania. Dude is going to blow the doors off when he debuts. Promo Gold and very talented in the ring. Another guy who would of thrived in the 90’s

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by MMA_PITBULL on Jan 13, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol. No worries at all. F*** this post.

I’ll check him out.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 13, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

The one deal I get really pissed about is the Gerald Wallace deal.

He would be so helpful on this team and the Blazers accquired him for nothing especially since none of the players they traded for him are with the Bobcats. What a waste!

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by raysfan81 on Jan 13, 2012 11:00 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

And one

That was the primary piece in us getting a chance to acquire Bismack.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 14, 2012 12:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Lol.

How do you feel about his performance last night? Kid obviously is a beast on the inside. I agree that it’s one game and he wasn’t that great in any other area particularly, but you gotta admit he can be an elite paint protector.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 14, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Particularly?

He’s awful in most every other area there is to playing basketball.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

These areas?

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 14, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

He resembles Serge Ibaka his rookie year

Ibaka looked awful at offense in beginning of his rookie year.. Bismack looks the exact same. We knew he would be project on offense so why bash him after 11 games?

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by mrfrontpage on Jan 14, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Because it's so easy to do right now.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 14, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Ibaka improved quite rapidly.

After just his first month in the league (and only ten games), he was already at 4-5, in similar playing time to Biyombo, who currently sits at 2-3. By the second month, he was at 6-5. In his fifth (the end of this shortened season), he was at 7-5-2, in just 17 MPG. Will Biyombo get there?

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Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!

by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

According to you,

not possible at all.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 14, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

You forget the lack of an offseason, not to mention his late arrival to the team. I’d say give him an extra month for the sake of comparing the two’s development.

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by KaiserBromley on Jan 20, 2012 12:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Which have netted us nothing but the ability to trade Stephen Jackson and Livingston for Biyombo.

Whoops.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

And Maggette.

Whoops. You always leave that part out. Why exactly?

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 14, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Because he's never healthy enough to play, and he's not all that good when he is.

Personal attacks are the weapon of the ignorant.

Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!

by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

When did Jax become this well oiled machine?

And it’s nice to see Milwaukee doing so great from that trade. Oh,wait…….

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 14, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

They're certainly doing better than we are.

And Jackson has consistently been more durable than Maggette, in both the immediate and recent past.

Personal attacks are the weapon of the ignorant.

Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!

by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

They're certainly doing better than we are,

AND they’re not rebuilding. So that point is immediately moot. And Jackson is also an afterthought to our rebuilding squad just like Maggette is. I know you love being able to use the fact that he is hurt right now to help your argument, but when you look at the overall picture then you’ll see that it really doesn’t. Why? Because THIS SEASON in which Maggette isn’t playing well/injured and Jackson is putting up the same underwhelming points in Milwaukee isn’t based on how many games we win. But I don’t expect you to understand the fundamentals of rebuilding.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 14, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Maggette is not an afterthought

he isnt an afterthought until he is off the team. He isnt going to be traded. He has no value. And we had the chance to make Maggette an afterthought with the Amnesty clause. But we cried about not using it. No player is considered an afterthought until they are traded.

by focuslja on Jan 14, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Maggette doesn't have a future in Charlotte.

Afterthought. You may as well say Eduardo and Carroll aren’t afterthoughts as well, but the fact is they are. No one is picturing a team 3 years from now featuring these players. And again, your lack of understanding of the amnesty is utterly amazing. You use that when you want to use that cap room to sign a prized free agent. Obviously was never our intent this offseason.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 14, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

And Stephen Jackson had 7 points and 5 turnovers

in 29 minutes last night. He’s also averaging only 15.2 ppg and shooting under his career averages on 2 points and from beyond the arc. Think about who you guys are talking about for a second here.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 14, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

A player who is better than Corey Maggette who is also paid similarly.

Sounds like an upgrade from every aspect to me.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

So does jumping up 12 spots in the draft.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 14, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

And THAT is why both teams did the trade.

They both got upgrades.

Milwaukee is not rebuilding, so they want to do things to get better right now. To put this in numbers, they are willing to give up 2 points of future productivity to get 1 now. Therefore, they benefited.

But the Bobcats are rebuilding. We are willing to give up 1 point of current productivity to get 2 points of future productivity. Therefore, we benefited.

That’s what makes it a good trade.

by Tim Rudisill on Jan 14, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

No one is arguing against Jackson being the superior player to Maggette, but that’s all they are trying to argue about. We all realize this. I loved Captain Jack. But if we’re only treading water with him, we may as well move up in the draft or something. I can’t imagine anyone offering a better package for Jackson.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 14, 2012 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

But one CANNOT quantify Biyombo's future productivity.

That was the problem with his selection. Two points of said productivity may be in his range of possibility, but so is zero. Jackson is definitely contributing right now.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 15, 2012 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

So Biyombo's

Value and success will forever be centered around how many points he scores? Lol. That’s idiotic Michael.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 15, 2012 12:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I wasn't actually talking about points per game.

I was putting them on a sliding scale of 1-10, basically.

by Tim Rudisill on Jan 15, 2012 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol, yeah I know.

It’s just MP completely disregards 5 blocks like it is nothing.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 16, 2012 7:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

As was I.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 25, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

We don't need Jackson's productivity though.

I don’t understand your raging hard-on for Captain Jack.

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 15, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Not.Missing.Jax

I wonder how many Ts he’d have if he were still here….

I’m fairly certain he’d be currently suspended after Ben Gordon threw that punch at Hendo

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by andrewlail76 on Jan 16, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

There

is no doubt that Jax would be having a meltdown at this point on our team. He obviously wasn’t down with the rebuilding plan, hence the reason he demanded Golden State trade him.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 16, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I have a "raging hard-on" for quantifiable assets, of which we have very few.

As bad as this organization is, we shouldn’t be dumping what little we have at bargain-basement prices.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 25, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Your lack of understanding of efficient use of resources is even more amazing.

You apparently would rather pay a similar amount to an injured, inferior player than a healthy, superior one. Weird. Maybe that’s why you liked Tyson Chandler over Okafor?

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

And your lack of understanding that this

is a rebuilding year is downright troubling. And when did I ever say I liked Tyson Chandler over Okafor? Let’s not start putting words in people’s mouths.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 14, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

+1

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 15, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

As stated earlier, we took a slight downgrade with Maggette

for the ability to move up 12 spots in the draft. I’d make that trade every single time.

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 15, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I would if

we were getting a more NBA ready player…Again the MOVE was good…The RESULT was terrible

by focuslja on Jan 15, 2012 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't understand

Why you constantly talk about the most NBA ready player as if we were close to being contenders this year. Just admit it, no matter the state of the team, you weren’t going to be happy with Bismack either way. You’re just not giving the guy a fair try. This is the same as taking a high school kid over a college senior. Why does that bother you so much? What do we miss out on by not selecting the most NBA ready player?

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 15, 2012 8:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Not really...

we got blown out. But we had alot of close ones that wouldve been won had we grabbed a rebound and scored. Which I know about 2 PFs that couldve been up to the task. BB can block but lets be honest. His rebounding leaves ALOT to be desired. Oh, and bc we arent expecting to be good doesnt mean we have to pick players that arent expected to be good. Esp not in the draft.

by focuslja on Jan 15, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

The most NBA ready player in the draft was Marcus Morris.

He was drafted very, very late in the lottery. Do you know why that is? Because “the most NBA ready player” has limited upside. What’s the point of drafting “limited upside” while we’re rebuilding? We have the time to spare (because we’ve come to terms with the fact we’re going to suck this season) so it would make more sense the guy with the far bigger upside.

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 15, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

The misconception here is

that UPSIDE is the biggest factor in drafting a player. And it usually is a mistake. Sometimes taking the better fit or the most productive helps. If BB has a high ceiling, it probably peaks at the Morris Twins CURRENT level. Markeiff is doing well. He will get better. He may peak in a year or two but guess what? His peak looks to be pretty good. The draft is not just about UPSIDE but what a player CAN do already. Just bc they dont have a huge upside doesnt mean they wont be good players. BB’s upside is an illusion. Also a player that raw is a bigger risk. And at the 7th pick it was HIGH RISK and I cant see the reward equaling the risk

by focuslja on Jan 15, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Lmfao.
If BB has a high ceiling, it probably peaks at the Morris Twins CURRENT level. Markeiff is doing well.

You clearly have no perception on what “high ceiling” is.

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 15, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I know exactly what a high ceiling is

and Morris is avg’ing 9ppg 6rebs…OFF THE BENCH. And Im sure if BB had ONE game that “good” everyone would say “Focus was wrong”…but Morris is avg’ing that NOW. In 21mpg. Check the game logs. He’s had 1 double double already and 5gms with Double figure scoring and 9rebs. We’d nut our draws if BB can break 8ppg more than once. And no, I still dont think Morris has reached his “low ceiling” yet. And BB has yet to get lifted off the floor. Im quote the great MP when I say “sometimes its not about how high a player’s ceiling is but the probability of a player NOT hitting the floor” and if this is Morris’ floor. I’dve been alot more comfortable drafting him instead.

by focuslja on Jan 16, 2012 12:05 AM EST up reply actions  

What if

Morris’ ceiling is say, Antawn Jamison and Biyombos is Dikembe Mutombo. Who would you rather have?

Would that be considered an acceptable risk for a team that’s not in any position to compete right now anyway?

by JDeLong42 on Jan 16, 2012 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Jamison

and I could see Morris ceiling being that. I cant see BBs being Dikembe. Maybe Reggie Evans. But that still isnt bad in my eyes. I just think and ALWAYS thought that Morris would have the better career if dnt factor in injuries…

by focuslja on Jan 16, 2012 2:21 AM EST up reply actions  

You'd take Jamison

2x All Star and 1x 6th man of the year over Dikembe Mutombo:
8x All Star
1x All NBA Second Team
2x All NBA Third Team
3x NBA All Defensive First Team
3x NBA All Defensive Second Team
4x Defensive Player of the Year

by JDeLong42 on Jan 16, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

HE SCOREZ POINTSZZ!!1!

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 16, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

That's all it takes.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 17, 2012 11:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Wow -

how did he win DPoY 4 times, but only make first team NBA All-Defense 3 times? So, one year he was the best defensive player in the game, but still not good enough to be on the first team? How in the heck does that work?

by Tim Rudisill on Jan 16, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

His first DPOY was in 1995 and he was on the All-Defensive 2nd team that year.

by JDeLong42 on Jan 16, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

That's crazy,

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 17, 2012 11:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

The question is irrelevant without considering the floor.

At said floor, Biyombo is a fringe rotation player who can’t even seen the floor some nights. Morris, on the other hand, is already a contributing rotation player on a better team.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 25, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

9 points and 6 boards off the bench?

What makes that any better than what DJ White is doing now? And Biyombo has already scored 8 once in his career. Him doing it again or averaging that much isn’t out of the realm of possibility by any means. The Morris twins are also getting A LOT more playing time than Bismack on bad teams. They haven’t done anything special whatsoever.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 16, 2012 8:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

DJ White should be starting

Tyrus should be in a weight room somewhere…and ashamed of himself

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by andrewlail76 on Jan 16, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 16, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

TT's upside is higher.

And if we’re going to get anything out of him via a trade, we need to give him minutes. I know he’s unpopular, but benching him doesn’t make much sense at this point.

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 16, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely

White isnt on showcase. So we might as well play TT. But playing him out of position doesnt help his value. And these terrible games dont either. But I agree that he needs to play…

by focuslja on Jan 16, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

He isn't helping his trade value

Starting at his current weight at PF or playing at SF. Tyrus is just too erratic to be a quality starter over an entire season. He is better served playing limited, energetic minutes so teams can begin looking at us like we are the ones making the mistake by bringing him off the bench.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 17, 2012 11:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Those "bad teams" are significantly better than the Bobcats.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 25, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

And these bad teams

are also NOT REBUILDING, are capped out, and have no clear direction of future. I’m fine with our situation.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 25, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Houston is ABSOLUTELY rebuilding.

Lower payroll, AND an even more inexperienced roster.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 27, 2012 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

And can either of

The Morris twins strike fear into the opposing team attacking the rim? That’s your issue boss. You must not play ball either because you can’t always measure the impact someone is having in a game by a stat line or how many points they score. How many points did Ben Wallace or Dennis Rodman average over their careers? There is much more to basketball than points scored. The sooner you realize that, the sooner you will see Biyombos true value and potential. Your other issue is you really feel like it is the “Great” Michael Procton. I notice you never attack his views, even when you don’t agree. You never put up much of a debate when he goes in on you either. It’s almost like you seek his approval. He isn’t a basketball genius/player Focus. And if it was up to him we would still be treading water with Okafor and waiting on someone to offer 1st round picks for Jax. That’s not even mentioning he was 100% on board with the selection of Adam Morrison. The guy isn’t a wizard by any means dude.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 16, 2012 8:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I've NEVER ARGUED WITH PROCTON????

You got to be kiddin me. I know you arent new here. And that you just pulled that comment out of you ass. Have to be. But peep this, when I went back and forth with Procton, he was a “fan favorite”. This is where the “those darn facts” joke that is so famous around here stems from. Focus vs MP. It wasnt until he disagreed with the happenings of the draft that he was considered a “troll”. And it wasnt until the draft that we AGREED on something. Me and MP had great wars. But as of now, I cant really find fault in some of his opinions bc alot are centered around the draft and the Bobcats trying to get better. And right now we share the same views…so I dont know where you got that “liking Procton” crap from. It was just a very good quote.

by focuslja on Jan 16, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

What do you call arguing with Procton?

If slightly defending your stance and never mentioning it again is what you call arguing, then yes, you have. Otherwise, no, you’ve never argued with Procton. And you’re not new around me so it’s ridiculous of you to think that Procton hasn’t been doing this for years. BEFORE the draft everyone considered him a troll as well. That’s nothing new at all. And you’re agreeing with someone who has NEVER had a good thing to say about the team AT ALL. So think about how valid his opinion is before talking like he gives real, objective views. Trust me, it’s easy for me to spot how quickly you back down so quickly or your just respond to him with a different tone. It’s been going on for months so I’m not “pulling anything out my ass”.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 16, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Of course no one will say anything

because no one likes FOCUS. But everyone on here knows, including yourself, that me and Procton have NEVER seen EYE to EYE on anything other than the draft. Lets be serious. He was the one who defended Cunningham to the death. And he also defends Henderson with such conviction. But if you go to any thread with 500 posts, you’ll see for your self. But thats fine that you feel that way. Bc you were so happy when me and MP went back and forth. Usually rooting for MP. So of course you wont say that. Anyhow. We aint talkin about MP. I just quoted the guy on a statement I believe wholeheartedly and you are hurt about it. There are no alliances on this site. If I agree then I agree. And if I dont, I bring it to you. And thats everybody. MP knows this as well as you. I just dont disagree about anything he says about the draft…

by focuslja on Jan 16, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Lol.

What do you mean no one likes you Focus? I know I do. I tell you all the time don’t take issue with my words because we’re just talking basketball. In the end, we are all Bobcat fans and will be rooting for them to win a title. Actually, Procton has never liked Cunningham. He defends Hendo because he’s a fan, but he really doesn’t go out of his way to do it. Yeah, I was happy with him going back and forth with you because at that moment, I agreed with him about the subject. I agree with him about a lot of things. I agree with you about a lot of things. But then a lot of things I don’t. I’m not going to be like, “oh, that’s Michael Procton, I’m never going to agree with him”. If he’s talking sense, I do, if he’s not, I don’t. And that goes for anyone on the site. I can’t think of one person I haven’t disagreed with at one point or another. BBP, TS, OurDay, southtunnel, PanthersFTW, Ben Swanson, David Arnott, andrew, adam, hell, everyone on the site has had some kind of debate with me one way or another. And I’m not accusing you of changing your opinions for the benefit of MP Focus. You believe what you believe. I do give you credit for that. I’m just telling you what I’ve noticed as far as how far you’re willing to go back and forth with him as opposed to others.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 16, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Nah bc the ppl reading this lil debate

know damn well that I have went back and forth with MP. Not only that but its three cats in here who wanted to start a petition to get me banned over a few debates I had with, you guessed it MP. Its just I dont disagree with him about BB. And Kemba isnt doing that well or getting enough floor time for me to agree or disagree. Let him make a Cunningham statement and I bet we get 400posts. But as of now, I agree that BB isnt good. Not a good choice. And that Jax couldve gotten us more this season than BB and Maggs combined. And that is basically MPs recent argument other than Kemba. You want me to argue for the sake of arguing? No. I wont.

by focuslja on Jan 16, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

You've barely

Gone back and forth with Procton. BARELY dude. I’ll leave it at that. No one wanted you banned for arguing with MP. They want you banned because instead of accepting things the way they are you continually bitch about things none of us have power over. If I was Cho, I would’ve taken Leonard and Brooks in the draft. But you don’t see me constantly moaning about them not being here. Why? They are Spurs and Nets. Me? I’m a Bobcats fan. This is the team I cheer for. Bismack is a Bobcat. So you know what that means? I’m going to focus on him and his development. Same with Kemba, DJ, Hendo and the rest of the guys. If you like those other guys that much, why don’t you simply become a fan of their teams because no one here gives a damn about them. That’s not saying don’t remain aware of what each player is doing around the league. That’s saying cut it out with the complaining because that’s all it is, COMPLAINING. We know your views. We know you like Klay Thompson and Jordan Hamilton. What new insight are you providing everyone on the site by constantly mentioning the fact you feel Biyombo is a mistake? Jesus, the kid is a Bobcat. The least you can do is recognize his potential and hope for his success. There is nothing wrong with that. You should also take note of the reasons we don’t care about Jackson as opposed to talking about how much he would’ve helped this year. For one, we are aiming for a draft pick around the top. TO HELL with how much help he would’ve brought this year Focus. For two, he wanted a contract extension. For three, he hasnt done anything special in Milwaukee. And four, it’s never been about the player Bismack will be THIS YEAR, but what we are banking on him becoming in the next couple of years when we are ready to make the jump from the lottery to playoff contention. What is so hard for you to realize and remember about that?

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 16, 2012 9:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Adam Morrison had one of the best rookie seasons in Bobcats history.

Then he tore his ACL. Should my predictive powers have been up to the task of knowing that was coming?

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 25, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Lmao.

I suppose so. Since you knew Corey Maggette would get hurt.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 25, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Did Morrison have an injury history stretching back for years before we drafted him?

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 27, 2012 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah,

it’s flawed as well.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 16, 2012 8:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Here is the issue

There is no right or wrong philosophy. It all just depends on how it works out. If he is a bust, a sure thing for mediocre production would have been better. But sometimes you take a chance on someone who could turn into something special because it’s worth the risk of passing on a mediocre guy. It’s not hard to find someone as talented as the Morris brothers. They are a dime a dozen. I wish people would stop acting like the draft is an exact science. It’s an art.

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by Bring Back Primoz on Jan 15, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly BBP.

I can name over a dozen players who could come in and give the production the Morris twins are giving that could be had for a 2nd round pick or something even less valuable. I can’t name any paint protectors that we can get for cheap. And I mean true paint protectors like Bismack has been in his limited time. We already have a Morris on our roster. His name is DJ White. A good player, but will never be elite and really doesn’t have a chance to.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 16, 2012 9:01 AM EST up reply actions  

He's not a paint protector tho

you guys keep talkin about 5 blocks. He doesnt avg 5 blocks. He avgs like 2. If that. And that saves us what? 4 points? Points made up by the number of fouls or turnovers he causes by shuffling his feet. 4 points that he cant seem to give us. I know players that are better than the Morris Twins too. But they are ROOKIES and they’ve never played Pro Basketball. And they are better than BB. They play good defense in the paint. Defense in the paint isnt just blocks. If BB doesnt block a shot, its a foul. He doesnt bother/bump around anyone.

by focuslja on Jan 16, 2012 9:29 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

When he's in the game,

tell me, what team do you know has continually driven to the rim. It’s always at that point that teams began taking more jumpers. At times where Mullens is in the game, the opponent immediately begin feeding the ball inside. It’s a clear difference so I’m not even going to debate it. He doesn’t average 5 blocks, and he also doesn’t get any kind of consistent playing time. The playing time that he has been given though no matter how little he’s almost always managed to block a shot or two. That should tell you something. You think two blocked shots only go as far as 4 points being off the board? Hell no dude. C’mon. That puts players in the mindset of, “damn, I seen how he did my teammate. I’m not trying to be on the Sportscenter highlights tonight. F it, I’m taking jumpers”. Jumpers which have a higher probability of being missed. And yes, AT THIS POINT, the Morris twins are more productive than Bismack. But WE ALL KNEW THAT and still we’re fine with taking him because he’s a developmental project. That’s what you’re not realizing. You talk like you’re educating us about something but we already know these things Focus.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 16, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

You dont take

developmental PROJECTS with the 7th pick. Esp if you team seriously lacking talent and FULL of “developmental projects”…everyone is allowed a mistake. Cho made one. Thats fine.

by focuslja on Jan 16, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Sure you take developmental

projects with the 7th pick. You take them with the 1st pick if you have to. You look at them and then you look at the talent around them and then you determine the risk vs. reward. How is our team “seriously lacking of talent”? Henderson, DJ, Kemba, Tyrus, Maggette, Diaw, Mullens, White, and Williams are all very talented players. Are you going to dispute any of that? And if the team is FULL of “developmental projects”, then your definition of a “project” player is skewed as well. If that’s the case, you may as well just say that every young player in the league is a “project” player like Biyombo. Biyombo is one of a VERY FEW type of project players being worked on right now. Serge Ibaka and others are the only ones that can compare as far as trying to integrate the NBA game into a raw athlete.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 16, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

You're joking, right?

You won’t even refuse to acknowledge that this team (which is still last in the NBA in scoring margin) is distinctly lacking in talent? Ha.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 25, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

How so Michael?

D.J., Tyrus, White, Mullens, Biyombo, Henderson, Maggette, Diaw, Williams, Walker…………which one of those guys are you ready to tell me AREN’T talented. We are depending on FAR MORE young players than most teams in the league and this is what comes with it. It’s DEVELOPING talent. If you fast forward some years, our team will be significantly better while some others who look so great right now would begin regressing because their teams are built around old guys.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 25, 2012 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Approximately two of those are starting-caliber players in the NBA.

The rest would hardly see time on another team.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 27, 2012 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Dwight Howard

Number 1 Pick, Kwame Brown, Michael Olawakandi, etc…… Big guys who are seen at projects constantly get taken early in the draft.

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by gunnin' gervin on Jan 21, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

And ask the Clippers and Wizards how those selections worked out for them.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 25, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

And ask the Magic

how Howard worked out for them.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 25, 2012 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

33% odds on a #1 pick aren't exactly great.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 27, 2012 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

And when matched up

against Dwight Howard, Bismack was holding his own as a rookie. Dwight Howard isn’t going to get much better than he is now. Bismack is at his floor right now. Think about that for a second.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 16, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I would

Like to see the Morris boys get to 5 blocks in a game, COMBINED. If anyone agreed that Marcus Morris of now is Bismack’s ceiling, I would agree. I just don’t believe that at all though. And the only reason I constantly challenge you on this is because you spent the entire summer talking about Hendo like he couldn’t get better and look at him now. The issue is we are all leaving the bust factor open for all of our players but you are saying it is basically guaranteed. It’s not. I know you may hate to agree, but there is a CHANCE Bismack turns into one of the best rim protectors in the history of the NBA.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 16, 2012 8:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I suppose all of the multiple

Block games he has had thus far are an illusion as well. Pretty much every game thus far he has done something defensively to make people say wow, he is going to be scary good. Even you will throw out compliments at those stages. Then once the game is over, you’re right back to talking about what he can’t do and how all of these other players are so much better. Has your constant rants on Hendo not taught you anything?

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 16, 2012 8:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Ok he avgs two blocks.

And? You guys are overrating a 4block game. 4 blocks saves us 4 points. How many rebounds does he avg? Where is this wingspan? Kemba Walker avgs more rebounds than BB. If all he can do is block, I’ll pass. He saves the opponent from 8pts with 4blocks and cant score those points and isnt that great of a rebounder.

by focuslja on Jan 16, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Math class.

4 blocks saves us at the least 8 points. And he had a 5 block game actually which, that hard math again, saved us 10 points and actually much more when you think of how the Pistons stopped attacking the rim. Kemba averages more rebounds and Kemba also gets a HELLUVA lot more playing time than him as well. He actually isn’t nearly as bad on offense as you make him out to be. He’s not even ATTEMPTING the shots for you to be talking about how epically bad he is on offense. But you complaining about a center being bad on offense is ridiculous any. Tyson Chandler, Kendrick Perkins, Joakim Noah, and so many more centers are garbage on offense and can barely get to 10 points themselves but they aren’t worth a damn? C’mon man. Get real.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 16, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

No.

Unless the NBA average is 100% field goal shooting, each block is NOT worth two points.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 25, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Lmao.

You’re ridiculous. Saying “well, they probably wouldn’t have even made the shot” as a way to discredit a block is downright pathetic.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 25, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

And you can't quantify

The amount jump shots taken as opposed to layups when a shot blocker is present patrolling the paint.

by JDeLong42 on Jan 25, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

But we do expect Biyombo

To be good. Defensively, we expect him to be elite. Blaming our close losses on Biyombo is ridiculous. He isn’t even in the game during the final minutes of most games. I don’t see how you can sit here and say we shouldn’t have taken him at the spot that we did and then sit here and then talk about how weak this draft was overall. You can’t say it was a bad pick until the guy has a year or two to prove himself. Dwight Howard was a helluva lot more raw than Okafor and lost the rookie of the year chase to him. May have looked like a mistake because Emeka was more “NBA ready” at the time but look at them now.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 16, 2012 8:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Read the first two lines of that quote

And think where he was drafted. And this is the point that Im arguing. If he was selected in the second rd, I wouldnt mind as much. If he was drafted late 20s, I wouldnt mind so much. But he was drafted in the top 10. He is supposed to be alot better than that..ALOT

by focuslja on Jan 16, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

What's so wrong with giving the

kid talent to develop? You know how far Andrew Bynum has come from his rookie year? What about Deandre Jordan? If he was drafted in the late 20’s or the second round, WE WOULD’VE NEVER HAD THE CHANCE TO SELECT HIM because another team smart enough would’ve picked him up as well. You talk about the theoretical Rockets trade that we declined so much. If they were willing to offer BOTH of their picks to move up and select Biyombo, what does that tell you Focus? If the Pistons were so ready to take him over everyone else, what does that tell you Focus? If Rich Cho has been watching the man for years and still wanted to pick him, what does that tell you Focus? And don’t give me any dumb crap about how it was different because he was in Portland. His job as a GM is to get the best players possible for his team regardless. Where he is makes no difference at all. If this man can sign a dead eye shooter like Reggie Williams for the low, turn a 2nd round pick into our best big man on the roster, and has the common sense to not pay Kwame Brown 7 million dollars, then why can’t you trust him at all on this? Why does Biyombo’s skill level need to be so high right NOW to justify his selection? If in three years this dude is DPOY, are you still complaining about how the Morris twins were still so much ready to contribute during their rookie years? Or are you saying, damn, that was a good pick?

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 16, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

A "dead eye shooter" who's going to miss half the season isn't a valuable OR in-demand commodity.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 25, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Still a dead eye shooter.

And several teams were making offers to Williams so that does mean it was an IN-DEMAND commodity.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 25, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

...and they were willing to pay less than $5 mil for two years of him.

That doesn’t say much for his ability.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 27, 2012 10:35 PM EST up reply actions  

The man is

second in the league in BPG per 48 by a wide margin and is at the very rawest that he will ever be. The fact that you dismiss that as nothing makes it so hard to take you serious, especially when you’re already labeling the kid a “mistake” despite those impressive numbers.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 16, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

per 48s don't matter when you'd foul out in 25 minutes given the playing time.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 25, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Bismack hasn't been in foul

trouble in none of the previous few games, so keep talking crazy.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 25, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

...because he's also made no impact whatsoever.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 27, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

The fact that he can't even get in the game in crunch time is an indictment of his ability.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 25, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

He's a ROOKIE PF!

You’re ridiculous arguments are an indicment of your ability.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 25, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

We miss out on having some kind of idea what the player can do against NBA-caliber competition.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 25, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah,

I guess it showed us how great Jimmer is too huh?

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 25, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

He's certainly been better than Walker.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 27, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

And a HUGE downgrade at backup PG.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 25, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you calling Livingston better than Walker?

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 25, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

As a PG, and a backup to Augustin/Henderson as the #3 G? Absolutely.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 27, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

It really DOES.

Maggette is eight figures and a roster spot that the team could be using on something else. Something like, say, a healthy and productive player. Hey, I know of one of those! Stephen Jackson! I wonder what it would take to get a player like that on our roster instead of a hurt guy doing nothing but costing the same. Wait, we already had him? Bizarre.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

And Stephen Jackson had 7 points and 5 turnovers .

Very productive.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 14, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

That's exactly seven more points than Maggette has scored us in the last few weeks.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 15, 2012 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Lol. Using

A players injury as the reason you feel he sucks is your weakest argument to date. I guess Jackson is more valuable than Dwayne Wade right now too since he is injured. Right? I mean, Jackson is contributing more than any injured player in the NBA right now isn’t he?

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 15, 2012 11:50 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

LOL

Some of his arguments make me dizzy.

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by Bring Back Primoz on Jan 15, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I read one the other

day and started vomiting uncontrollably. I think I had a seizure as well.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 16, 2012 9:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Well put.

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 15, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

When said player has been hurt all the time over the last several years and it was obviously coming, yeah.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 25, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Peep Jackson's stats,

then holla back playa. You’ll have to give me one reason to be mad for trading him away.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 25, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

But somehow, in the grand scheme of things,

that’s all irrelevant.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 26, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Peep Maggette's games played.

You’ll have to give me a reason it’s better that we have him instead.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 27, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Wallace is opting out this summer

We want him back?

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by andrewlail76 on Jan 14, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I think him implanted in our squad

would make us significantly better.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 14, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

But would be idiotic.

Why would we spend big money for a peaked-out veteran to improve the team from 25 wins to 30?

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't say go get him back.

I said with a player like him we would be significantly better. The team is missing leadership and consistency. That’s what Wallace provides. We’ve moved on past him, but there isn’t any denying that he would make us a better team.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 14, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Nor did I deny it.

So what’s your point?

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Considering you started speaking to me about it,

I’m trying to find exactly what your point is.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 14, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

He wasn't a free agent.

If we were going to trade him, we should have gotten something better than Mr. 2-3-2.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Him not being a free agent

is exactly why his trade value wasn’t high at all. Again Michael, after all these dozens of times of asking you, please just put together a theoretical deal for Stephen Jackson that you would say was a “good one” and at least sounds halfway realistic.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 14, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

A first and a second for him would have been a fine deal.

A trade for a player who was young and established in the league with years left on his rookie deal, like Cole Aldrich or Patrick Patterson or Trevor Booker would have been great.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Now, explain to me,

who were these teams offering first and second round picks. Did the Thunder want Jackson? Did the Rockets wants Jackson? Did the Wizards want Jackson? Would trading them straight up for him work financially. So many pieces of the puzzle that you’re failing to incorporate in your “Everything I say is right” world.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 14, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

You replied to everything

Else but this……… Funny.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 15, 2012 12:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

We traded Jackson and Livingston

For Maggette and Biyombo. Maggette and Jackson are close to and even swap. I don’t know why anyone would complain about trading our #3 PG to move up to the 7th pick.

by JDeLong42 on Jan 14, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Because they need something to complain about of course.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 14, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Because the #7 pick in this draft was about as good as the #20 in most.

And “close to even” ignores the fact that Jackson is a superior, more durable player being paid a similar amount.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Well if the number #7 pick in this draft

was about as good as the #20 in most, exactly what does that say about the #20 pick in this draft? Hmmmm. Makes you think.

And Jackson is a superior, more durable player who is on his last legs and wants a contract extension while we are obviously moving away from players his age. I really don’t get what’s so hard to understand about it. You’re smarter than this Miguel.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 14, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Close to even means they are similar in talent

And we moved from #19 to #7. No matter the talent in that draft relative to other drafts, moving up is beneficial.

by JDeLong42 on Jan 14, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

So should we trade Augustin to move from #2 to #1 if that's the way the lottery works out?

I’m told that would be beneficial.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 15, 2012 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

But moving up is beneficial!

The amount doesn’t matter.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 25, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

If the player at number 1

Is worth the jump, yes. If a talent like Lebron is projected to go number 1, and the #2 looks to be the next Tyson Chandler, you absolutely make that jump.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 15, 2012 12:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

What if the talent is Darko Milicic, and he's projected to change the game and become one of the best the league has ever seen?

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 25, 2012 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

What if the talent is Dwight Howard,

and he does?

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 25, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, it's certainly worth finding out how much he would want.

I would be okay paying him for 1-2 years in the right scenario.

Why? Because he gives it his all. He is the exact type of player that I want leading the young guys. His tenacity to go after rebounds, to defend, and to throw his body around like a prostitute at an orgy are things that I want all of our guys to pick up. So if we draft a young SF, why not pay Wallace to come in and tutor him and be the leadership that we so desperately need?

by Tim Rudisill on Jan 14, 2012 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Aren't coaches paid to do that?

Sorry, but if we’re complaining about veterans like Augustin and DJ White getting minutes as it is, I don’t see a place for Wallace to come in and be a starter here.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 15, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Who

Complained about White and Augustin getting minutes?

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 15, 2012 12:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Everyone has whined about them playing over walker and Biyombo.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 25, 2012 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

WHO???/

Give me a name. “Everyone” doesn’t fit here because I haven’t said a thing about it.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 25, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

If Wallace was going to be a part of our future, he would still be here.

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by Bring Back Primoz on Jan 15, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Well Blatche is officially on the Block Yal...

we might not get him but we def can be apart of the trade somehow…

by focuslja on Jan 14, 2012 12:55 AM EST reply actions  

Diaw or Tyrus

I think they are really pushing for veteran leadership…they have a very young but group of players but they have this sense of “entitlement”. I would say Maggs if he didnt get hurt. Our chances of getting him is very slim unless Diaw’s expiring is attractive. But I will say that we could ease our way into a the trade somehow…

by focuslja on Jan 14, 2012 3:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Send them Tyrus

He’s screwing uo the chemistry the team had with White starting

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by andrewlail76 on Jan 14, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Indeed.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 14, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I seen that.

I would take him if we could. He’s a dynamic low post scorer. I think him and Mullens would be unstoppable together and average about 18 each. The only problem is his contract. If we were to ship out Tyrus for him though and drop Diaw off somewhere without assuming more responsibility financially, I’d look into it.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 14, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

NO TO BLATCHE

he is an idiot…and only likes to shoot jump shots…he would be horrible for this team…i’d honestly be pissed if we traded for him

by weezy21 on Jan 14, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Lol. As far as reservations on Blatche,

you’re right, character issues are a major concern. Talent wise though, I see him turning into one of the better PFs in the NBA as his career progresses.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 14, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Character issues can be worked on

if you are on a team full of youngsters, you have no one to put you in check. I dont see why we would turn that type of talent down if we have the chance to get him…Maybe they’d take Maggs.

by focuslja on Jan 14, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I think with young guys,

Silas is one of the better coaches in the league as far as dealing with character issues. Among vets though, I don’t know if Silas is the right guy. The only thing is do we consider Blatche a kid who is still growing up or a grown up stuck in his ways. I think it’s somewhere in the middle, which is also where my opinion on Blatche is if asked would he be a good fit here or not. Talent wise though, he’s definitely interesting.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 14, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Character issues are one thing,

from what I’ve read on the Wizard’s blog, he’s insane. Talented doe.

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by KaiserBromley on Jan 20, 2012 1:15 AM EST up reply actions  

And our post defense would somehow get even WORSE.

You guys do know there are two ends to a basketball court, right?

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Biyombo, Tyrus, Diop..........

I’m fine with our post defense right now.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 14, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha...

So is Greg Monroe.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Considering Mullens was matched up against him for

most of the night, your point again has been rendered moot. Strike 2 sir.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 14, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

If a player can dominate in the post at will...

Your post defense isn’t very good.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Once again, your point is moot

if you want to use Greg Monroe’s performance as your argument. I never said Mullens was a strong defender. If he was doing that against any of the three individuals I named, you would have a point. Unfortunately…………

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 14, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

"I’m fine with our post defense right now."

If our post defense regularly allows dominant games by opposing post players, it’s not very good.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 15, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

As I said

Michael, team success isn’t what I’m watching this year. Thomas, Biyombo, and Diop are all decent rebounders and are good at protecting the paint. But at this point, Diop is overweight, Biyombo is a raw rookie, and Tyrus is coming off an injury and is skinny as hell right now. Mullens can also hit the weight room to perform. If you think this team is full of veterans that have already maxed out their talent and they can’t improve, then that’s on you. I know better.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 15, 2012 12:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

If you think the fact that sub-par players MIGHT improve means they're good, that's on you.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 25, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

If you think it's a fact that players WONT improve

that’s on you. Fortunately, I’m not a troll that talks crazy though, so, that’s still just on you.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 25, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Blatche is a locker room headache

his numbers arent bad, but his attitude and hustle is. He is immature and plays lazy. He is not someone we want for our team.

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by mrfrontpage on Jan 14, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Character issues

for a young guy who’s only played with younger guys isnt a problem. Those can always be fixed…

by focuslja on Jan 15, 2012 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Blatche is a cancerous player.

I wouldn’t let him anywhere near this team.

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 15, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Cancerous

to teams with soft front offices. No player is cancerous in my opinion. And Id rather have a bad attitude player than a injury prone player or a player that gets in trouble off the court…

by focuslja on Jan 15, 2012 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

You've never played on a team with a guy who was a "cancer"

Or you would change your mind. I have. I played on a basketball team in high school that started 0-7 due to a guy who thought he was God’s gift to basketball. When he was thrown off the team, we never lost a game. One bad apple can spoil the bunch. I’ll gladly pass.

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by Bring Back Primoz on Jan 15, 2012 8:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Your coach let it get to 7gms

Blatche isnt really that bad. He’s no worse than Wall or Young supposedly. It seems any player that speaks his mind is considered a cancer. Like players arent allowed to say anything. If a 6’11 245lb player is upset bc the playcalling doesnt allow him to be a post present, then I def understand his sentiments. Of course Blatche can shoot. One of the most versatile PFs in the league BUT he has great footwork. So I really dont see the problem with him complaining about not getting the ball under the basket…

by focuslja on Jan 15, 2012 9:21 PM EST up reply actions  

They have a lot of head cases in Washington

That’s why they are the worst team in the league, despite having some talent.

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by Bring Back Primoz on Jan 15, 2012 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

There are more tactful and appropriate ways to make such feelings known.

Personal attacks are the weapon of the ignorant.

Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!

by MichaelProcton on Jan 25, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Batum may be available and Portland looks desperate for a big.

How awesome would it be to get rid of Diop and get back a young SF? I’m not sure it would be possible for a team to be that desperate though.

by milky C on Jan 14, 2012 10:09 AM EST reply actions  

Portland would never do that

Why would they trade a young and rising player for a big man who cant even start at center for a team that was starting Diaw at center?!? haha…i would love to get Batum tho….but Diop isnt gunna get it done

by weezy21 on Jan 14, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

He is a FA after this year

And he was reported as not sounding optimistic about a extention

by TS BOBCAT on Jan 14, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Diop for Wallace

do it

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by andrewlail76 on Jan 14, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I saw that we could trade for him

Or wait till hes a FA and get him then with all this money

by TS BOBCAT on Jan 14, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I wonder how much he's asking for.

At his age and ceiling I could see offering long term, but half the league might be thinking the same thing.

by milky C on Jan 14, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Lol. No way possible.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 14, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure how you defend the statement "we are almost always competitive..."

When we now have the worst scoring margin in the league by a wide margin.

And citing Mullens’ PER alone as the reason he’s among the best players at his position IN THE LEAGUE without a single mention of his horrid defense is pretty disingenuous.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 12:34 PM EST reply actions  

Lol. Look what the stray cat drug in from the side of the road this morning?

And Mullens is among the best centers in the league according to his PER, so exactly what are you disputing? Nothing? Thought so.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 14, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

The fact that PER is some kind of be-all, end-all stat is what I'm disputing.

Do you really, legitimately believe that to be true?

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

The fact that PER is some kind of be-all, end-all stat is what I'm disputing.

First you gotta point to the part where I said that for us to take this any further MP.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 14, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

OP: "placing him among the best centers in the NBA."

You said it. Do you believe it?

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

As far as PER, YES!!! It's a fact.

Did I say he was among the best talents in the NBA talent wise? No. So stop acting lame and turning it into something that it isn’t. You’re so in love with arguing that you’re disputing facts now? Ha. How far will you go?

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 14, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

You're the one who placed Mullens among the best centers in the NBA, not me.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 14, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I said his PER ranks him among the best centers in the NBA.

Which it does. Cut it out clown. Your act is getting tiresome.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 14, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Good Read

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by Warmec on Jan 14, 2012 7:24 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks homey.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 15, 2012 12:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I enjoyed the read.

I feel like this is the kind of stuff that should be common sense by now, but apparently some of our fans need to be reminded occasionally.

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by Panthers FTW on Jan 15, 2012 4:34 PM EST reply actions  

Thank you.

Even for some, reminding them of where we are and why we are there is useless. They either don’t get it or would’ve been happier fighting for 8th place every year.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 15, 2012 8:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Or they'd feel better if there were signs of competitiveness from these players who will supposedly be part of our championship future.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 25, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, because

we all know that THIS is the team that we are expecting to compete for a championship right?

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 25, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

That's what I was expecting

by JDeLong42 on Jan 25, 2012 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

The Bobcats? Yeah.

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by MichaelProcton on Jan 27, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Great write-up man.

Sums up the situation pretty well. We need some perspective around here from time to time. I particularly agree with the point about evaluating the team by it’s individual player’s and their progress. Although I don’t like watching our team lose, I do enjoy watching the development of the players, be it for the better or the worse, and the dynamic between them. Enjoy it for what it is because we ain’t gonna start ripping off winning streaks anytime soon.

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by KaiserBromley on Jan 20, 2012 1:26 AM EST reply actions  

+1

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 20, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

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