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Counting Down the Top 24 Bobcats of All-Time -- #3-1

One of my favorite Stephen Jackson moments.

It appears this decision may be a tad controversial. We all know Gerald Wallace is number one. So numbers three and two are between Emeka Okafor and Stephen Jackson.

3. Stephen Jackson

There probably hasn't been any Bobcats player that was more controversial in his time here. Jackson threw abusive bowls of alphabet soup at referees. He stood under his own hoop protesting a no-call, while the opponents raced to the other end of the court. But he also was instrumental in the team's first playoff berth. He rocketed into the franchise record books in more categories than I can name off the top of my head. His on-court play ranged from distant, flinging shots with reckless abandon to scoring at will with more hands in his face than Frank Dux opponents. He could defend and score, post up - just be an overall versatile player. But his style often halted ball movement, which was critical to the Bobcats offense that relied on efficiency since they played in a slow-it-down offense for most of Jack's tenure in Charlotte. And even when his shots weren't dropping through the hoop, it didn't stop him from heaving them at the rim regardless. His popularity in Charlotte waned as the team free-falled from their previous playoff berth to the basement of the league. He seemed upset and it was later revealed that he didn't care much for Larry Brown, who had supposedly given up on the team, according to Jackson. His hamstring injury took him out for the last stretch of the season in spite of his fiery passion to play and his effort to push the team for a final playoff push before the team shut him down for the last week or so of games.

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2. Emeka Okafor

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"But he didn't lead the team to the playoffs!" You don't say. But punishing Okafor for not having as strong a supporting cast is asinine. Stephen Jackson and Emeka Okafor are not parts you can substitute for one another. Yes, Jackson was instrumental in the team making the playoffs. Neat. He was working with top-of-his-form Raymond Felton and healthy Gerald Wallace. He had a Larry Brown-curated team that was made to make the playoffs for one season. Okafor's surrounding talent was close but just shy of being a playoff caliber team and didn't have the quality of coaching either. His Bobcats teams were developing young talent and got better as they went, save for that Sam Vincent season. Okafor was more consistent and able to contribute more than Jackson ever was in his two seasons. Sure, Jack could occasionally pour in buckets at a rate Okafor could not. That said, Okafor has a clear edge on defense and a slight deficit on offense. And that is why Okafor squeezes above Jackson for the No. 2 spot. To elaborate, Okafor was a shot-blocking force for the Bobcats, averaging 1.88 blocks per game. He was strong, though a smidge undersized to play the center. His defense had few flaws, as he had great instincts, quick hands, good athleticism and impressive weak side defense. Okafor was also an extremely intelligent player. His offense was solid, with the ability to finish strong at the rim and to post up well, though relying on him to be your leading scorer would not be wise. His offensive skills weren't as diverse as one would hope, but you can't complain much about a guy who can consistently give you around 14-10-2 on most nights. Okafor's Bobcats history was slightly marred with ankle injuries that cost him most of his second season, but he came back to become a pretty durable player.

1. Gerald Wallace

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Where to begin? His Bobcats career certainly wasn't smooth as his style and his game. Have you ever seen his shoulders? They have rugged sharp ridges and bumps like the three dimensional topographic maps of mountain ranges. To me, they serve as reminders of his time in Charlotte. He fought injuries every season but never lost his fire or encountered fear. Bone bruises, concussions, punctured lungs and fractured ribs - all mere speed bumps to the man called "Crash."

Coming from a high school in Childersburg, Alabama, which is a town slightly larger than the high school I went to, he was just short of exactly what you want for a star player with whom a fanbase can identify. Gerald was tenacious in every aspect of the game. He outrebounded men taller and stronger than him with effort and the smarts to predict how a shot may careen off the rim and backboard. He was an elite defender, able to defend a range of positions from SG to PF. Wallace's athleticism and nose for blocking shots made him one of the best weak side defenders. He created turnovers without taking an exceptional amount of risks and he didn't take plays off. An extremely talented athlete, he had a huge vertical, great quickness and speed, good strength and reactions. Not a great ballhandler, he could manage the ball pretty well for a small forward and was an average passer. Wallace wasn't great at creating his own shot but drove to the hoop with reckless abandon and used his athleticism to elevate and finish at the rim above defenders. Sometimes this played against him as defenders could see his path and force him into charges. His jump shot was a work-in-progress for most years, but it came along about midway through his time in Charlotte. Wallace's form on his jumper wasn't great, which, as a mostly spot-up shooter, made him a slightly inconsistent range shooter. Towards the end of his Bobcats career, he picked his shots from range better and increased his three-point percentage. Further, he was outstanding in transition, both on offense and on defense. He was a talented but not quite an elite scorer due to his inability to create a shot for himself or others out of nothing, but he more than made up for it by creating more possessions for the Bobcats with turnovers and ending opponents' possessions with stout defense, forcing them into bad shots. He was a strong vocal leader capable of leading by example. Not the most durable Bobcat by any means, he was by far the toughest, most important, most talented player the franchise has ever had. And for that, he is Rufus on Fire's Number One 

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Don't think you can debate this list.

Good work, no doubt about G-Force being number 1 in our minds and our hearts.

Okafor wasn’t sexy, wasn’t flashy, wasn’t great, but was consistent. And for a franchise that has almost always been bad, it was nice to have someone that we could consistently rely on to do his job. Play tenacious defense and clean the boards.

by Panthers FTW on Sep 2, 2011 10:49 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Yeah well, Jack WAS sexy, flashy, and great (at times)

So exactly why is Emeka ahead of Jack again? Just because Emeka “did his job”???

STEVE SMITH!

by southtunnel on Sep 2, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because contributed as much or more to his teams' successes for a longer period of time.

Not that hard to understand.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!

by MichaelProcton on Sep 3, 2011 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

That's a pretty stupid reason

Just like people saying Kasay was the best Panther ever, just because he was there so long.

STEVE SMITH!

by southtunnel on Sep 5, 2011 3:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

It's not just about being there a long time.

It’s about being there and performing at a high level, as both Kasay and Okafor did.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!

by MichaelProcton on Sep 6, 2011 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because Jack wasn't sexy, flashy, and great (at times) over the course of several years.

If he does that consistently over several years, then yes, it’s no doubter. But I’d rather have someone who “does his job” over 4 years and contributes more overall to the team over his years than a one year wonder.

by Panthers FTW on Sep 3, 2011 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Two year wonder actually

before the injury he was still 19 and 4? or was it 5? I wanna say 4 and hold on (google.com: espn Steven Jackson) ok…he was 19.5.4 or `18.5, 4.6 and 3.6…either way he balled every since he got here. Had it not been for his rookie season, his career avg would be 20pts…

by focuslja on Sep 3, 2011 4:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right because our team was soooo much better those 4 years

Actually, our record couldnt have been much worse had he not been there. Of course Jack took us to the playoffs, but that pails in comparison to being in a sucky team for 4 years.

STEVE SMITH!

by southtunnel on Sep 5, 2011 3:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Good stuff

Love the Jax sketch.

Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!

by Newsinz on Sep 2, 2011 11:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Classic Stephen Jackson sketch.

I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 2, 2011 11:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Good work my friend...

Love all the sketches you made for this series.
Did you do them all?

Bobcats Basketball is my only pro sports passion...

by andrewlail76 on Sep 2, 2011 12:10 PM EDT reply actions  

yup!

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by Ben Swanson on Sep 2, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm always amused at references to Okafor's durability.

The guy played in 307 consecutive games between 2007 and 2011. Glad the franchise was done justice on the whole rather than one ill-fated playoff visit.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!

by MichaelProcton on Sep 2, 2011 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree with your top 3.

However, I like a player with a little more fire in his belly then Okafor.

by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Sep 2, 2011 5:34 PM EDT reply actions  

I can't believe you put Emeka ahead of Jackson

Emeka was NEVER a leader, never great, and never made his team better. Jack was every bit of a leader, great at times, and immediately got his team to the playoffs. Oh… and Jack has done this on multiple teams.

You got this one wrong dude.

STEVE SMITH!

by southtunnel on Sep 2, 2011 11:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice work

Good call with Jax over Okafor. I love/appreciate Jax and would take him over Okafor any day, but in the end he was here for less than two full seasons, whereas Okafor gave us a consistent 14 points, 10+ rebounds, and 2 blocks for the first FIVE years of the franchise’s existence.
Even if it was justified to an extent, I think Larry Brown’s smear campaign of Okafor really caused a lot of people to lose the proper appreciation for what he gave us for five years.

And of course, Gerald is number one by a miiiiiiiiiile.

Gerald Wallace is the way, the truth, and the light

by Air_Bobcats on Sep 3, 2011 1:21 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

*Okafor over Jax I mean

Gerald Wallace is the way, the truth, and the light

by Air_Bobcats on Sep 3, 2011 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

What exactly was justified about ripping a guy because he took care of his body so that he could play every night.

Jackson didn’t provide that. Stud acquisition Tyson Chandler sure as hell didn’t provide that. Hell, Wallace didn’t even provide that.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!

by MichaelProcton on Sep 3, 2011 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't throw Wallace under the bus.

His style of play was one that caused serious injuries. The only time he ever missed really significant time was from a Bynum tore a hole in his lung (or whatever that ridiculous injury was). At least for the last 2-3 years I remember.

by Panthers FTW on Sep 3, 2011 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not throwing him under the bus.

Just stating a fact. But the truth of the matter is that in seven years, Okafor has averaged 69 games a year, with three seasons of 82 games (43%) and two more of 72+ (71%.) Wallace’s numbers in those departments over ten years are 61, 0 (0%), and 2 (20%.) It is worth noting that he had three more seasons with 70+ games, but that still only takes him up to 50%.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!

by MichaelProcton on Sep 3, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Justified to an EXTENT..."

Specifically regarding his passion for the game, which was clearly well above that of, say, Boris Diaw, but just as clearly less than the likes of G-Force and Jax.

My entire post was defending the very Okafor > Jackson stance that you are obviously in favor of, yet I’m still wrong…bad me, bad

Gerald Wallace is the way, the truth, and the light

by Air_Bobcats on Sep 3, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't say you were wrong...

I asked a question. The entire thrust of Brown’s tirade was that Okafor liked stretching too much. And who are you to question his passion? Do you know the guy?

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!

by MichaelProcton on Sep 4, 2011 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

No I don't know him, but Larry Brown does...

In the same comments that LB made regarding okafor’s conditioning that you are referring to, he said this: “I tease him that he’s got an A in stretching and pilates and yoga. I want him to have an A in basketball…It makes older people feel great, but he’s got to work on his game. … There’s no better guy than him, I just want him to have a passion to play the sport because it ends so quickly.”

I agree with you that it’s idiotic to criticize a proffesional athlete for keeping himself in good shape.
At the same time, I think it’s reasonable to question his passion somewhat. You don’t need to “know” Boris Diaw to realize he possesses a fraction of the passion of Jax or Gerald, you just have to pay attention. But in this case you even have the player’s coach openly questioning said passion, and I’d venture to say he does know him pretty well.

Again, I love Okafor and thought LB’s comments were unnecessary and damaged the perception of Okafor in a way he didn’t deserve given the 5 quality years he gave to the franchise. The reason I say they are somewhat justified is that I find the assertions about Okafor’s passion hard to disagree with given what I saw from him on the court and the lack of development in his skills.

Gerald Wallace is the way, the truth, and the light

by Air_Bobcats on Sep 4, 2011 2:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Larry Brown was hardly on a tirade when speaking about Okafor's stretching routine.

He was merely saying that Okafor’s dedication to basketball didn’t match his dedication to staying healthy. Maybe he was wrong. Maybe Okafor cares as much about winning as any player out there, but LB didn’t see it. I’d say he was in a better position to judge Okafor’s commitment to the game than any of use are.

by Basketball Rambler on Sep 4, 2011 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed, I'm taking LB's word for it

And I’m certainly not saying that Okafor is Boris Diaw or Eddy Curry. From what I can see he is a hard-worker and a professional. It would just seem he doesn’t possess the passion/drive/intensity of the other two guys on this list, and LB’s informed comments reinforce that perception.

Gerald Wallace is the way, the truth, and the light

by Air_Bobcats on Sep 4, 2011 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Gerald Wallace is the way, the truth, and the light

by Air_Bobcats on Sep 5, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

+3

Rec

And I’ll be the first to admit I was a bit blind to all that at the time…

Bobcats Basketball is my only pro sports passion...

by andrewlail76 on Sep 6, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd take Jack's one playoff year here

Over Emeka’s 4 crappy seasons in a second. Longevity is cool if you’re team is doing something noteworthy… Emeka’s wasn’t.

STEVE SMITH!

by southtunnel on Sep 5, 2011 3:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Four crappy seasons?

I just died a little inside.

Lemonade was a popular drink and it still is,
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- Guru, of Gangstarr

by Ben Swanson on Sep 5, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."

by FirstCat on Sep 5, 2011 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Part of being great means making those around you better

A team with Emeka and Wallace was never going to be competitive, because while they were better athletes than Jack… They didn’t have the “swagger” needed to be great. Jack brought an attitude that the whole team bought into it. Wallace became an AllStar because Jack taught him learn how to be great.

There’s many athletes in this league… Jack’s qualities however are much rarer. However I get it… Wallace was here longer, had fancy dunks and blocks (in losing efforts of course), etc. Fans like the hoopla.

STEVE SMITH!

by southtunnel on Sep 5, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gerald is not the #1 Bobcat of all-time because he's the #1 dunker/shotblocker of all-time

I don’t think Ben is that superficial, and neither are most of the rest of us.

You’re right, he has been here longer: 7 years vs. 2 years! And he’s number 1 because he’s been the heart, soul, and best player of the Bobcats for the majority of the life of the franchise.

Jax was a large part of getting to the playoffs but he doesn’t get all the credit. it had just as much to do with Larry Brown assembling an expensive veteran team (with no regard for the long-term future of the team) in order to massage his ego by making himself look like some sort of franchise savior. Just like with Okafor, you can’t dismiss Wallace for not getting us to the playoffs because he was playing with a bunch of expansion team scrubs those first few years

Charlotte: Where rebuilding happens

by Air_Bobcats on Sep 5, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

If we're basing these ranking on who the best player on the playoff team was....

then Stephen Graham deserved to be tied at #22 with Keith Bogans.

by Aisander D on Sep 6, 2011 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

Charlotte: Where rebuilding happens

by Air_Bobcats on Sep 6, 2011 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

rec'd

--(insert quote, lyric, or joke here)

by StudMuffin15 on Sep 6, 2011 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jackson didn't make anybody better.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!

by MichaelProcton on Sep 6, 2011 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

He was one of about ten players in the league to average a double-double during that entire period.

I’d suggest that ’s pretty damned noteworthy.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!

by MichaelProcton on Sep 6, 2011 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

A yrvesty

Where is Stephen Graham?

Bobcats Basketball is my only pro sports passion...

by andrewlail76 on Sep 4, 2011 2:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

And Cartier Martin

by focuslja on Sep 4, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok, let's not get ahead of ourselves, now,

We all know Ajinca is easily better than all these guys

by Roger, Roger on Sep 4, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now there's the humor that I know and love!

Ah…classic Rufus on Fire

Bobcats Basketball is my only pro sports passion...

by andrewlail76 on Sep 4, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was Varajao’s time here worth anything?

by focuslja on Sep 4, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was pseudo-ours for a week or so when we signed him to an offer sheet as an RFA.

In reality, we were doing his agent a favor because they weren’t willing to make a reasonable offer themselves.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!

by MichaelProcton on Sep 4, 2011 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was never going to.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!

by MichaelProcton on Sep 6, 2011 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jumaine Jones.

Better than Alonzo Gee.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!

by MichaelProcton on Sep 4, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

is this list by talent??

This list can’t be judged by talent. Stephen Jackson has much more talent than Okafor or Gerald Wallace. Yes Okafor and Wallace hustle and are great defenders, but neither can shoot or score the basketball. Remember Gerald with the Blazers trying to guard Jack on the bobcats, Jack torched him time and time again that game. Also Jack has the first triple double in team history. I hope he torches you again with the Bucks this year.

by Casey Raynor on Sep 4, 2011 8:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Did anyone read the first post?

In deciding our rankings we took a few things into account: sustained contribution and longevity, talent and production.

Also, basketball is more than a game of shooting and scoring. Being a more talented scorer does not make one a more talented basketball player.

Further, despite Jackson’s better scoring versatility (ie. he has better range), he wasn’t actually a better scorer than Wallace on offense in their respected times in Charlotte. Jackson just took more shots. He’s a volume scorer. He shoots a much lower percentage and even taking into account his three-point shooting ability, his True Shooting percentage is much lower than Wallace’s (and lower than Okafor’s too!).

TS % (measure of shooting efficiency taking into account the added worth of three-pointers and free throw shooting)
Wallace: 56.1%
Okafor: 53.2%
Jackson: 52%

Even adding in Okafor’s abysmal free throw shooting, he’s a more efficient scorer than Jackson.

Yes, Jack had the franchise’s first triple-double. Neat. Gerald’s come within a hair of that on multiple occasions. Emeka’s had a couple games where he dropped 20 points, more than 12 rebounds and nearly double digit blocks in each game. While Jackson’s game may be more significant in a sense because he achieved a statistical anomaly that the basketball community has assigned value, that doesn’t mean I think his one game is better than others that also show how versatile a player played in one game.

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by Ben Swanson on Sep 4, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

LOL...Okafor can't "shoot or score the basketball."

Yes, that’s how he’s twice been in the top seven in the league in field-goal percentage.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!

by MichaelProcton on Sep 4, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wallace, yes.

I can’t see anybody else.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!

by MichaelProcton on Sep 4, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt it. I’m split on how I personally feel about it but I think retired jerseys are usually held in higher regard and reserved for more than “years of service”…i would be surprised

by focuslja on Sep 5, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Gerald Wallace played for the Lakers he wouldn’t be retired, but for the Bobcats; he will definitely be retired. The passion and love the fans had for him and the way he left it all on the court will undoubtedly get his jersey in rafters. Not to mention, he lead them to their first playoff berth.

"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."

by FirstCat on Sep 5, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was ours.

First All-Star (and probably only one for a while), home-grown out of the expansion draft, first (and also so far only) face of the franchise. He’ll get recognized for that. If nothing else, it’ll be an excuse to sell out a weekday game against the Bucks in six or seven years.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!

by MichaelProcton on Sep 6, 2011 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Make that 3 votes for Wallace.

No one else at this point, though. However, had Okafor stayed a Bobcat his entire career…

Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!

by Newsinz on Sep 5, 2011 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Why would the organization be pissed at Wallace?

It’s not like he demanded a trade…if anything, he was blindsided by the news. He was bitter towards ownership because he wanted to stay in Charlotte.

Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!

by Newsinz on Sep 5, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

hardly

"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."

by FirstCat on Sep 5, 2011 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was pissed at Higgins...

Bobcats Basketball is my only pro sports passion...

by andrewlail76 on Sep 6, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doubt that.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!

by MichaelProcton on Sep 6, 2011 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

If we're talking about who made the team better, then Jack should be #1

He’s the one player I feel most confident saying, we would not have made the playoffs without. Wallace made the AllStars, that’s a cool personal accompmishment. But it’s not ironic it happened to be in the year Jack came.

Stephen Jackson brought a swagger and attitude that this team had never seen before. And that propelled us to do great things, that Emeka and Wallace were incapable of prior to his arrival.

STEVE SMITH!

by southtunnel on Sep 5, 2011 4:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

He definitely put us over the top that year

But you take Wallace off the team and we don’t make the playoffs either.

That said, Jax was MVP of that season. MVP of the franchise though? Wallace, hands down.

Gerald Wallace is the way, the truth, and the light

by Air_Bobcats on Sep 5, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Take Jack off and Wallace doesn't make the AllStars either

I’ll admit Wallace is the better athlete. But he didn’t have the “swagger” to be great until Jack came to town.

STEVE SMITH!

by southtunnel on Sep 5, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jax certainly brought an attitude that gave the team a big boost

I understand crediting him for getting us to the playoffs, but not with getting Wallace to the All-Star game. That had 100% to do with G-force putting in the work necessary to make himself better and over the course of his career to where during that one peak year he was worthy of an all-star nod.
Wallace’s skills and abilities trended steadily upwards towards from his rookie season up until that peak year (and have trended downwards slightly since), and he made the team because he was pulling down 10+ boards as a SMALL forward and playing elite defense while throwing in a few points for good measure. And he was doing that for the first 12 games of the year, BEFORE Jax arrived.
Jax being here when Wallace peaked and made the all-star team is just a coincidence, not cause and effect

Charlotte: Where rebuilding happens

by Air_Bobcats on Sep 5, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Yeah, right.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!

by MichaelProcton on Sep 6, 2011 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Its still debatable that Jax should’ve been the allstar that year…

by focuslja on Sep 6, 2011 6:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

No…you’re not gonna make an all-star team after treating your former team that way. Unless you’re Carmelo.

"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."

by FirstCat on Sep 6, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

You replace Chandler with Okafor and we make it with a MUCH better record.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!

by MichaelProcton on Sep 6, 2011 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

given that

Chander’s bones arent glass and his skin isnt paper.

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by StudMuffin15 on Sep 6, 2011 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

They were the year he was here...

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by andrewlail76 on Sep 6, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly.

i feel like he tanked when he was here

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by StudMuffin15 on Sep 6, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then he gave a little effort come playoff time...

but there was so much rust…

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by andrewlail76 on Sep 6, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice work Ben

i think you nailed it for sure. let the Oak haters hate, but truth is, he put in WORK.

anybody recall the 9 block game against NY? he nearly tripple doubbled in points, rebounds, and blocks.
not that one game defines his legacy in Charlotte, but he was (and is) a lot better than people give him credit for.

by the way, he beat Dwight Howard for ROY. just sayin.

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by StudMuffin15 on Sep 6, 2011 12:54 AM EDT reply actions  

I think a year under Silas

and Okafor would excel further…

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by andrewlail76 on Sep 6, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oak hit his prime rookie year.

"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."

by FirstCat on Sep 6, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Strange...

In that his FG%, rebound rate (offensive and defensive), block rate, and overall game (measured in either Win Shares or PER) have all improved since that rookie year. Or maybe you confuse FGAs with ability. Big Felton/Jackson/Flip Murray fan, I’m guessing.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!

by MichaelProcton on Sep 6, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

LOL

MP…

Would you want Okafor back? What would it take to get him back? What would it take to get him away from NO?

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by andrewlail76 on Sep 7, 2011 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely.

He’s an above-average starting center in the league. We haven’t had one since he left.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!

by MichaelProcton on Sep 7, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

So...

Answer the other parts…I’d like him back too…would NO want to shed his contract so someone would buy the Hornets from the NBA? If so, we package Diaw, Najera and Diop…would that work?

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by andrewlail76 on Sep 7, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep…if Paul doesnt come back, then that would be a great deal…then whoever buys it needs to let me be the GM…

by focuslja on Sep 7, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

You can be New Orleans’ new GM when they sell…I’ll put in a good word for you…

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by andrewlail76 on Sep 8, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

How could I answer those questions? I'm not part of the NO front office.

But that would be an awful, awful deal for them. I can’t see why anybody would let that happen.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '011: This is what we've been waiting for...we get to overpay the core of a 2-14 team!

by MichaelProcton on Sep 9, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know you aren't part...and that it would be awful for NO...

I just wondered if you had any opinion on it.

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by andrewlail76 on Sep 12, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ya know, the more I think about it, and I hate to say this...........

Jax should be number 4 on the list. Crash, Okafor, Felton, and then Jax.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 7, 2011 10:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Wow...

Felton at 3?

I’ve lost my faith in you

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by andrewlail76 on Sep 7, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol.

Well, if we’re counting longevity as a factor, Felton has more years under his belt than Jax and was a decent player his entire time here. He never lived up to my expectations of him, not at all, but I think a few years down the road we’ll look back on which names were the most relevant to the start and history of the franchise, and Felt’s name would ring more bells.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 7, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I understand.

I pretty much feel the same way. But like I say, the more I think about it, the more I’m leaning towards Felton. Maybe I’ll just stop thinking about it.. :-)

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 7, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Such an evil face, lol.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 7, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

rec'd

Jax sure did look creepy before he made the transition from ’stache only to goatee

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by Air_Bobcats on Sep 7, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

i like the list

But, and I may be alone here, I think Jax is too high on the list.

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