For the Charlotte Bobcats, the Future is Now.
Even though next year will be a "rebuilding" year and we are all looking forward to who our next piece will be coming out of the draft, next year will also be an evaluation period for the young players on the roster and will help identify which young guns are worthy of being handed long term starting positions. A complete NBA roster, as we all know, generally consists of a point guard, shooting guard, small forward, power forward, and a center. As I look over our squad and all of the young pieces we have in place, we have something pretty similar to a future starting lineup, other than Dante Cunningham who is more of a tweener than a true SF and the raw Bismack Biyombo who will more than likely start out playing PF and will probably end up eventually moving to center as the years progress. Either way, we're all looking towards the future, but in reality, the future is now.
D.J. Augustin and Kemba Walker (PG) - It seems almost written in stone that D.J.'s days as a Charlotte Bobcat are coming to a close, mainly due to the fact that Walker was drafted with a top 10 selection. My answer to that, not so fast. Even though Augustin's shooting hasn't always been consistent, last year he still made great strides towards developing his overall point guard skills finishing with avergaes of 14.4 ppg, 6.1 apg, and finishing sixth in the entire NBA with an assist to turnover ratio of 3.21. Walker, on the other hand, is fresh off a national championship run with the UCONN Huskies in which we seen him display some Wade-like abilities that could prove to be a great benefit at the next level. Though not a pure point guard, good basketball players always find ways to make themselves effective when on the big stage. It'll be interesting to see how this one turns out. I'm still wondering why everyone thinks D.J. needs to be traded. At the very least, I think one of these players should be used as a 6th man. As the Mavericks showed us in the championship series against the Heat, having a deep bench can be extremely beneficial and having a player of the caliber of either Augustin or Walker leading your second unit is absoultely a luxury. Size shouldn't matter that much, it's not like either player's defensive deficiencies are going to disappear if the other is traded. I can still see the team signing a third PG with good size (Tracy McGrady has been mentioned by ESPN and our own Focus in recent weeks) to help close games if we need a stop, but from the way I see things, we have a very solid point guard rotation to look towards the future with.
Gerald Henderson (SG)- Hendo has a lot of work to do on the offensive side of things, particulalry with his outside shooting, but last year showed great promise and even inspired some (including myself) to believe that he may one day achieve all-star status. Larry Brown and a birth defect (which has since been corrected) limited Henderson's ability to contribute much coming out of college and everyone (including myself) was moving towards being ready to label him as a bust. Turns out that Larry Brown was a bigger problem than any of us initially expected and Henderson wasn't really able to show us much until Paul Silas took over. At least twice, to my recollection, Henderson was able to come in the fourth quarter and use a simple screen and pop to secure wins for the team. Personally, I'm excited to see what he can do over a full year as a starting shooting guard for our club and how he will be able to handle actually having plays run through him. Either way, he will be given every opportunity to succeed next year and prove himself capable as being our SG of the future. I fully expect him to improve immensely on his 2010 averages of 9.6 ppg and 3.0 rpg. 15.2 sounds about right for next year.
Dante Cunningham (SF/PF)- Cunningham will spend time next year splitting between backing up Corey Maggette at SF and our plethora of PF's. Although not particularly strong or advanced in any facet of his game, he, at the least, should be a contibuting player off the bench. He doesn't have a very high ceiling, but could be a stabilizing presence for our squad with his somewhat solid mid-range game. He's a true tweener, but is still a cheap and able body that should pick up the pace of our rebuilding, even if it's just by a little.
Tyrus Thomas and D.J. White (PF) - The Bobcats front office really believes in Tyrus' ability to contribute and play at a consistent high rate, as the contract he signed last year would demonstrate. He got off to a pretty good start last year before injuries disrupted his progress, and I'm excited to see how Silas' plans to use him in this new uptempo offense that he's promsied to install once the lockout is over. I'm not sure how much he will improve on his 10.2 ppg and 5.5 rpg averages of last year, but the numbers don't do justice for the energy that Tyrus brings to the floor. He still has potential to be an "elite" player, he just only has to get his head on straight and learn to play within himself. Perhaps being on a rebuilding team is just the opportunity Thomas needs to showcase his true talent. As for White, I was very impressed with his play after the Oklahoma City trade and still feel as though he's the closest thing to a true PF that we've ever seen in Bobcats history. Although his skill level isn't extremely high, he still does the things that you love to see a big man in the post do (rebounding, easy putbacks, backing down defenders). Much like our situation at PG, we could actually have our PF of the future and his backup in place. It just really all depends on how well they perform next year.
Bismack Biyombo (C/PF) - Bismack will spend time shifting between PF and C as he learns the ropes, but from all indications, the Bobcats drafted Biyombo to be their center of the future. His incredible 7'7 wingspan makes up for his lack of height, (he's only 6'9) and he'll definitely need to add muscle weight to his frame (229 lbs) if he's going to ever become a true center. But from everything I seen, he definitely has the potential to become a defensive powerhouse much like Ben Wallace was during the days of Piston glory (seems like so long ago). Supposedly, Rich Cho's research began on Biyombo while he was still GM of the Portland Trailblazers and he feels as though he is a solid investment. We'll see. My only concerns at this point revolve around how much room for improvement Biyombo actually has as his age has been a mystery. If he's as old as some have suggested (26), then his ceiling isn't high and we've made a terrible decision. If he's as young as others have suggested (19), he's got plenty of room to improve. His demeanor is that of a player who wants to do everything to get better, so keeping his head on straight doesn't seem like it'll be a concern. But Biyombo is a boom or bust player. If he turns out into a boomer, we probably have our center of the future.
You've probably been reading and wondering what the whole purpose of this post is and not much of the information presented helps make one. So in closing, gentleman and gentleman, for our own sake, we can't expect the team to be "that horrible" next year as a lot of our pieces that we will be depending on for future sucess are already in place. I know we're all looking forward to next year's draft and whether we will have the opportunity to draft Harrison Barnes, Jarred Sullinger, Austin Rivers, or another prospect, but the truth is, if our team is ever really going to be a contender, then the players we already have on the roster are going to have to play the biggest role in getting us there. One of the biggest key factors separting everyday players from superstars is the level of confidence these guys play with, and next year we'll be in a position to give our young guys significant confidence boosters with significant playing time. I'm not so convinced that we'll be one of the worst teams in the NBA.
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Although I feel as D.J. is currently our best prospect,
I really believe that our franchise’s fate right now rests on the development of Bismack. If he turns into a beast, we have a big man to hold down the fort for years and years to come. If not, I think we set ourselves back 2-3 years with his drafting. I think a coach like Silas is perfect to get the most out of him though.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jul 21, 2011 12:36 PM EDT reply actions
I agree,
Bismark is a good player, no doubts about that. He just needs to adapt to his new league and grow as a player; remember, he’s still pretty young. If things turn out right, we will have a solid big man for seasons to come, something we’ve really lacked before in the past.
Despite the possible horrendous season we may have (whenever said season begins) I’m looking forward to seeing our young guys play and develop.
by Roger, Roger on Jul 21, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Definitely.
Other than last year when I thought we would build on our playoff success, I can’t remember a season from the Bobcats that I’ve had so much to look forward to. I think I have a pretty good idea on what all of the other guys can bring to the table, but Bismack is the big question mark. Hopefully he’ll make it so we don’t miss Chandler that much (though I never did in the first place).
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jul 21, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
We're not sure about Biyombo's youth at all.
In fact, he may be very old.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 22, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
If very old is 26...yes, but he did state on camera that he would be 19 in August...
So he’s either a huge liar, or he’s 19
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by andrewlail76 on Jul 22, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
For a rookie, yeah, 26 is very old.
And he certainly wouldn’t be the first foreign pro athlete to mis-report his age. Happens all the time in baseball. Admitting he’s 26 before he gets under contract will not endear him to the organization.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 22, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Silas will more than likely be gone by three years from now.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 22, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
probably so
His brother I suspect will be the heir.
I assume you mean his son?
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by Bring Back Primoz on Jul 22, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
His son is Stephen Silas, who game from Golden State.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Jul 22, 2011 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Hello (A): Troy Murphy (PF/C)…Reggie Williams (SF/SG)…Demetri McCamey (PG) (undrafted FA)
Hello (B): Greg Smith (Undrafted FA) (PF/C)…Justin Hurtt (Undrafted FA) (SG)…Seb. Telfair (PG)
Hello ©: Jason Smith (NOH) (C/PF)…CD-R…Goran Dragic or Von Wafer
Goodbye: Augustin (best player left) but with Walker, we need a sizable backup. We should get a decent return for Augustin. But we really shouldnt let him “walk” in FA. Bc his stock will be high. Diaw. Expiring contract. Good value for a contending team. If we could just get a pick we should. Diaw could be a player that we let walk in FA if offers have us on the short end of the stick. Tyrus Thomas. Well bc of his last few seasons, he’ll need to show and prove to raise his value. He doesnt suck but I think the contract is just too much for us. Hopefully he has a terriffic first half of the season so we can possibly move him to a team that is in need of that type of PF and can offer us a pick in return (Cle/Bos/Den)…
Sign the above listed players. Probably for under the 2mil total. This will be to fill roster spots and give a few young guys a chance to be apart of the future if they show well enough. We do need to get as many picks as possible for 2012. Tyrus and DJ can net us some 1st rd’ers. There is our future….
Got to be realistic though
DJ might net you a first rounder but no way you’re getting one for Tyrus. In order for another team to take on his contract, we’ll have to take back a bad contract in return.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Jul 22, 2011 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 22, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
You think we could really get a fair deal for D.J.?
Not many people outside of Charlotte feel he has great potential. I mean, even though we see it, I’m sure his stock has been hurt by the team’s lack of success. I just don’t think we’d get a decent return for him. As for Boris, I think he is out the door regardless. But ya know Focus, the more I evaluate our roster, the more that I buy into your theory that maybe we should start putting players in place this year as opposed to next. Like I say, these guys that we currently have are going to need to develop if we ever are to become great. Outside of the next LeBron James or Kevin Durant, no one can be expected to come in and immediately make this team gradually better. And if it’s the draft we’re building through, then we shouldn’t need a ton of cap room to sign the big money free agents. I’m still somewhat on the side of saving the cap room we’ve acquired since we’re this deep in the process, but at least now I have more of an understanding of your frame of mind.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jul 22, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
thanks
Now I’m not advocating go on some spending spree but its only right we get some nice young players. With Diaw and Eddy comin off the books plus what we wiped out this off-season, we aren’t hurting for cash. Being that we are stuck in rebuilding, we should try to move our “good players” for picks and what I like to call “serviceables”. This is probably our best move to bring some interest to the franchise. Other than Brown, Bismack, Walker. It may be time to totally reshape the franchise. Now I’m not saying its realistic to move everyone but its time for us to design a think-tank to HOW we want the play to be and WHO provides the playing style. I haven’t said this in a while but its some “serviceables” around the leagued disguised as 6 & 7th men that we have the talent to acquire. The Ronnie Brewers, Courtney Lees, Alonzo Gees, Jordan Crawfords, Mayos, Jordan Hamiltons, Patrick Pattersons, ect are cheap productive and young enuff to acquire without hurting our draft choices while keeping us from looking terrible. Not to mention the “serviceable” FAs
Thomas and Augustin would almost certainly not get first-round offers even in the top 20.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 22, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
so
The first rd extends to 30. If we dont move DJ, we run the risk of him leaving for nothing. There are a couple of teams that have the immediate need for his services. The Lakers and Knicks are two. While we may not get a top ten, we can get a late first rd pick and a decent player. The Lakers aren’t looking for McGrady. If so, it isn’t to run the point. They are looking to get YOUNGER. DJ is a good shooter and scorer and won’t be the focal point of the Lakers offense. Which frees him up for spot up shots. We may have to take Character or Trey Johnson in return. Maybe both but we get a 1st rd in a strong draft and having a first rd pick is always leverage. Also Utah is looking for the future pg. The have a good pick which we can also use. While we may have to take a big contract its ok bc their big contracts are expiring or very productive. Using Diaw and DJ would net us Okur and that pick. NY speaks for itself. Minny is also a squad we could work out a deal for DJ. DJ is ready to start and will be more valuable than you think. Esp to older teams looking to get younger but too good for a early pick. Tyrus isn’t as valuable but you also must look at the other teams. Denver just lost KMart and are probably gonna lose Nene. Tyrus replaces them perfectly. Of course we would have to take something we may not want but that’s fine IMO if that gets us a pick even if its later. Of course in DJs case, its better to move him now while Tyrus should be moved to anyteam offering a pick. Give us Kleiza and some trash from TOR if we can get that pick. Even if it means we have to throw in Hendo. Trust me, stockpiling is the way to go. Esp with the upcoming draft. Najera, Diop and Carroll are nearly impossible to move so I won’t mention them. This season is one where Cho should have free reign to play NBA2K with our roster. As long as it gets us picks. I expect Maggette to be gone if he’s anywhere close to 18pts a game at the deadline
ok
That means teams can offer deals. To me a FA is a FA. He can choose to walk or get offered a starters amt instead of a bench amt (which is what we would offer). And with the draft being so strong, y not try to get a pick? I dont care if we have to trade Rich Cho if we can get a draft pick. The course of this season and the activity will buy or sell me on Cho. This season is critical and probably will be THE most critical of the rebuilding. All the drastic moves have to be this season.
He can't choose to walk.
He can accept another teams deal, sure, but if Charlotte decides to match it, he is stuck with Charlotte. He really doesn’t get much input.
by Tim Rudisill on Jul 24, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry he can’t walk. But its obvious Kemba is our pg now. So how much of a tug of war do you think CLT will play for a 6th man? After Paul gets picked up, DJ will be a top choice. Its better to trade him now bc even though he’s better than Kemba, putting him behind Walker will give other teams leverage in negotiations as far as what we can get back in return
can u really win with undersized pg today who isnt chris paul?
by jadedeed2327 on Jul 24, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
With the right talent around him, yes.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jul 25, 2011 12:08 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
if you are the Lakers, thats all you really need. McGrady and DJ would be affordable and effective for the Lakers. I mean DJ doesnt have to be a terriffic passer. Just decent. And his 3pt shooting will improve tremendously with all the weapons the Lakers have. Hell, I’d even take Fisher and Walton and their first AND 2nd round pick for Tyrus and Augustin. Kemba would have a vet to learn from and we rid ourselves of Tyrus’ ridiculous contract. I kno, I kno that Walton sucks but we arent trying to get good right? Both Fisher and Walton’s contract end in 2013 with Maggette. Just a thought.
was the tyrus contract cause of larry b
by jadedeed2327 on Jul 26, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
New Jersey actually wrote the contract.
We just had to match it because we didn’t want to have traded a #1 with nothing to show for it.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 28, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
they made an offer obn him and we had to up our offer to keep him
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by andrewlail76 on Jul 29, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
i think we were just preparting an offer if i recall, we didnt actually offer
by jadedeed2327 on Jul 29, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope. They offered 5/40.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 29, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you have a link?
Everything I find says the Nets were courting Tyrus but weren’t sniffing an offer in that range. The Cats threw too much money for Tyrus and trumped anything NJ was willing to offer. But I haven’t seen anything (nor do I recall from memory) anything suggesting NJ made an official offer for his services.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Jul 29, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
at us thinking we were doing some big move by trying to outbid NJ for Tyrus. Typical
I know
I agree with what MP said above, it’s all psychology. We would have looked like idiots to give up a first for him and then let him walk a few months later so we felt compelled to get a deal done.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Jul 30, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5367718
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 1, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
NJ presented an offer sheet
One that Tyrus did not sign, therefore we did not match. Tyrus and the Bobcats worked out his contract separately, which had different terms than NJ’s offer sheet.
By the way, it’s awesome that his agent’s name is Elfus.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Aug 1, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
The only difference in terms was the signing bonus.
The total years and money were the same, just the schedule of payment changed.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 2, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
That's true
But I was just stating that Tyrus did not sign an offer sheet from NJ and force us to match. He received an offer and negotiated a separate (yet similar) contract with the Cats.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Aug 2, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Couldn't be much worse than Outlaw and Petro.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 2, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
i actually like kemba and his toughness but wonder how he will do in nba with his size
by jadedeed2327 on Jul 26, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Augustin IS a terriffic passer.
He was right up at the top of the league in A:TO despite it being his first season as a full-time starter.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 28, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
u cant win a title with 5 foot 9 point guards unless your chris paul
by jadedeed2327 on Jul 29, 2011 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Says who?
Despite his size advantage, Fisher always gets toasted and has five rings. You can’t sit there and say DJ couldn’t go to Miami right now and win a title.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jul 29, 2011 7:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yea, D.J. would look pretty special in Miami
His assist numbers would go down, and he’d basically become a 3pt specialist, but he’d still get his rings.
by Basketball Rambler on Jul 29, 2011 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
He'd have a bigger role in LA
but still get a ring nonetheless…
Not always
Fisher early in his career was a good defender because he was super physical and still had his quickness. Now he has lost his quickness but he wasn’t always a bum on defense. It’s funny how people forget so quickly
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by gunnin' gervin on Jul 30, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Who?
;-)
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by andrewlail76 on Jul 30, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Fisher has never been a defensive stopper.
He was better than he was last year a few years ago, but he was never anywhere near an elite defender. Besides, the whole point is that you don’t have to be one of the greatest PG’s in the game to win championships, as someone continually is suggesting.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jul 31, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I never said he was a defensive stopper but he was a good defender. His defense and hitting jumpers was the only reason he started for so long.
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by gunnin' gervin on Jul 31, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
Fisher was a good defender. Before 2005 the only person that I can say roasted Fisher in the playoffs was Iverson and Bibby. Thats it. Like you said, he usta bump pgs off their dribble all the time. Fisher doesnt look like he’s a slouch in the weight room still. He just lost a few steps. He is 35
I don’t think he is a Hall Of Famer but he maybe should get his jersey retired in the Staples Center
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by gunnin' gervin on Jul 31, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
i agree, fisher shouldnt make hall of fame
but he definitely deserves a jersey in staples center
only kobe and shaq are first ballot hall of famers
i wonder if glen rice will ever make it
Doubt it
for Glen Rice also.
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by gunnin' gervin on Aug 6, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
18,ppg 4 reb and 2 assists aroun
NBA Champion (2000)
3× NBA All-Star (1996–1998)
NBA All-Star Game MVP (1997)
All-NBA Second Team (1997)
All-NBA Third Team (1998)
All-Rookie Second Team (1990)
im looking at his stats and resume, and he probably wont make it, or would have difficulty making it
by jadedeed2327 on Aug 6, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
FWIW...
B-R’s Hall of Fame possibility puts him at about a 6% chance, which ranks around #200 all time.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 8, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah Fish looks like he hits the gym hard. He is a solid guy. People forget or are to young to remember how a lot of these guys played in there prime
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by gunnin' gervin on Jul 31, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah, don't get me wrong,
Fish has always been pretty stout and decent-above average in all facets of the game, but if a player of his caliber can win several championships as a starting PG, then D.J. can as well. That’s not saying Fisher is a bad player at all. Anyone paying close attention to those series will know that Fisher played a bigger role than he’ll ever be given credit for. However, to suggest D.J. couldn’t do the same with a good team around him because of his size is foolish. It’s the same as saying Steve Nash would never be able to win a championship because he isn’t a strong defender. Like I say, don’t get me wrong, defense is important and damn near critical for a PG to stop lane penetration, but D.J. is capable of playing decent enough defense to the point where it wouldn’t cost his team too much, especially if there are good help defenders on the team. The way I see it, 90% of the league are capable of being starters on very good/championship caliber teams. I mean, who really thought Keith Bogans would be a starter for such a successful team like the Bulls this year? There is a weak link in most lineups around the league.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 1, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I never said D.J. couldn’t start for a solid NBA team so I don’t know why you are talking about that. LOL.
All I said is Fisher used to be a good defender when he was younger.
Bogans started for the Spurs and a few other playoff teams in his journeyman career. You know why he started? The same reason guys like Sefolosha, Trevor Ariza, Raja Bell and Anthony Parker have started on the wing positions for playoff teams. The same reason guys like Tyson Chandler, Bill Cartwright and Fabricio Oberto started on championship teams in the front court. They play a certain roll that needs to be fulfilled. They hustle, rebound, play defense, hit open shots and don’t turn the ball over.
I’m sure D.J. like you stated could do that also with the right team setting.
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by gunnin' gervin on Aug 6, 2011 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, the whole point in me bringing up Fisher anyway
was that he’s never been close to an elite PG or elite at any one category yet he still has 5 championship rings. Just a reminder that even average players can win rings, as in the case of D.J. Augustin. But like you say, with the right setting, anything is possible for any player.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 6, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Tru dat
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by gunnin' gervin on Aug 6, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll speak on behalf of DJ...
He’s at least 5’11"
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by andrewlail76 on Jul 29, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
ok ill give u that he could go to miami and win a title but thats only because their team is so loaded
i dont see dj elevating a team with lesser talent on it
by jadedeed2327 on Jul 29, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
So you are arguing that he just doesn't have championship talent.
But are you arguing that he doesn’t have it only because he’s not tall?
If the ONLY reason he’s not able to elevate others is because of his height, then your argument is valid. I don’t think height makes that big of a difference.
by Tim Rudisill on Jul 30, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Whether he is 5'10 or 6'7 if he can play he can play
I dont get why you keep bringing up the Kemba and DJ are undersized, do you not think we know? You keep saying it over and over again so I guess your just doing it to piss people off.
Calm down. LOL
I see the points about undersized players but like you stated size isn’t always the deciding factor in everything but it sure can make things easier or harder on a player and team.
I think Kemba will be fine if he is receptive to coaching and the team buys into a strong team defensive philosophy. He can use his quickness to shot passing lanes like he did at UCONN and also stay in front of the quick point guards.
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by gunnin' gervin on Aug 6, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
It's obvious? Based on what?
His ability to score and do nothing else? His signing with a third-tier shoe company? His status as our #2 draft pick this year?
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 25, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Who's angry?
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 25, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Late-first round picks are of little to no value.
They require guaranteed contracts for players who often end up not being worth them.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 25, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
In a draft as deep as the one coming up they will be worth something. Late picks can be used in trades and packages to move up.
If you say so...
I bet Jordan would be just as willing, however, to dump that pick if somebody offered him a few mil.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 28, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
That's among the problems. We don't HAVE a "normal person" running our front office.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 29, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
it has to be kemba
i think bismack (at this stage) is a glue guy, tyrus and hendo may or may not pan out, and kwame/maggs are at the tail end of their careers…
J.UST E.NJOY T.HIS S.HIT
This is Forty08.
Two goin' at once[simultaneous]
I think Maggette will be gone soon.
There’s still a slight chance he outperforms everyone’s expectations and looks like a keeper, but that is very slight. I think Brown will be around as long as he’s not demanding a ridiculous contract and our current coaching staff is kept in place.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jul 22, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
In all honesty I can’t see it unless we are packaging him with someone to get a big contract player. Someone like Gay or one of Celtics big 3, or Granger, Jefferson, Devin Harris, Biedrins ECT. That’s the only way I see us moving Maggette. I can’t see him being traded for lower players like Wallace/Tyson were. That would be hustling backward. I wouldn’t mind moving him and Tyrus for Vince or KG. Maybe even move Augustin/Tyrus/Magette for Paul and Ariza. Dang, I dunn started rosterbating again. Imma chronic rosterbater.
careful
You’ll go blind
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by andrewlail76 on Jul 24, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The jury is out on Thomas and Henderson, but not Walker?
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 22, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
The jury will need to see evidence on Walker
Before they step out.
They’ve seen a not 100% Hendo and an off the bench and injured Tyrus…so…
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by andrewlail76 on Jul 23, 2011 7:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Tracy McGrady: Not a PG. He also wants to sign with the Lakers, so winning obviously matters to him.
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I realize he's not a PG,
However, he played the role of distributor well during his stay in Detroit. At this stage in his career, its not about if he wants to play for a winner, its about if a winner wants him to play for them. Remember he was so close to signing with Chicago last year? Either way, I don’t think its a good idea to bring him in. These were just sentiments written by Rick Bonnell which were later reposted on ESPN.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jul 23, 2011 8:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He probably does
If given a GM job, he might build a team around Yi, T-Will, and Alonzo Gee.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Aug 4, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't doubt that for one second.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 4, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
you guys are silly…if I name Wilson Chandler then “we dont want to be too good”…then I name Yi to fill a center need just for the season and its “awww he sucks”…you think somebody GOOD is gonna play behind KWAME BROWN? You wont have some beast of a center playing next season.
Nope, I’d have Chandler and Nick Young or Marcus Thornton on my radar. And yep, I would have Blatche and Jefferson and a young killer like Goran Dragic or Roddy B running the point. I thats not even 30mil if you look at the contracts. T-Will, Delonte coming off the bench. Yep I sure would. But anyways, we talk alot of trash for a team with Maggette, Cunningham and Henderson…(and had Garrett Temple and McGuire)
We're just busting your chops
But Maggette, Cunningham, Hendo, and McGuire all had higher PERs last season than Yi and T-Will. And Gee only beat McGuire, and it was really close.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Aug 4, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
T-Will only played like 5 games at 13mpg. And Gee wasnt a starter. PER lol. Thats all? All those guys were starters (lol@Cunningham starting). Oh and I’d sign Kristic, Markeiff Morris and Jordan Crawford to complete my bench.
You would have a tough time signing Morris and Crawford
They’re both under contract.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Aug 4, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
They're not bad
I just don’t see them as being better than Diaw/Tyrus/etc
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by Bring Back Primoz on Aug 4, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Troy is a vet (which is a plus on a young team). 12 and 8 for his career. He scores well inside and out. 3pt shooter (always a plus). Can play all backcourt positions. CDR is a budding player. Maybe not an allstar but can be the 6th man of the year or a good 3rd scoring option in a starting lineup. He’s still young. He reminds me of Mashburn or Stackhouse…
Troy Murphy can play all backcourt positions?
What are you even talking about at this point?
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 6, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Murphy can play PG and SG as well.
You ain’t know?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 6, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I guess he can shoot threes, which is focus' only requirement for a guard.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 6, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
I wish we had Kyle Korver as our SG. We would be DOMINANT!!!!
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 6, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Gee started 30 games last year. But yeah i would love to see the team try and get Marcus Thornton, Terence Williams or Nick Young. I think it might be hard to get any of those 3 guys though and Yi isn’t really built to be a center even as a back up. LOL.
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by gunnin' gervin on Aug 6, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Huh?
Gee started 34 games last year. Cunningham and McGuire COMBINED to start in 26. Nice try, though.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 6, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Really? Yi, to play at center?
Why don’t we trade for Bargnani while we’re at it.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 6, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
So you're putting Yi on the level of Nene now huh?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 6, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
No Im saying why do you guys down players that are gonna be backups? Like our starters are so great that only the McGrady’s, MIke Redds or Nene’s of the world will be serviceable backups…
WHO IS SAYING NENE WOULD BE A BACKUP?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 6, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Because Yi is a power forward, period the end.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 6, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we need somebody who, you know, plays center to go on our depth chart at center.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 6, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
tru
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by gunnin' gervin on Aug 6, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Picks
Any deal that allows us to get a first round pick for anyone not named kemba Walker, Gerald Henderson, or Bismack Biyombo should definitly be explored.
still dont understand the Hendo love in this situation. If we can get a first rd pick in a deal that included Hendo (bc we def couldnt get a pick 1st or 2nd straight up for Hendo) why would we not take it. In a stacked draft like next year’s, I would move him in a minute for a draft pick. He might be able to develop but the LEVERAGE of having a pick is more valuable than Hendo. He’s ok as a 6th or 7th man but come on…Gilchrist, Barnes, Perry Jones, Terrence Jones, Rivers are all better than Hendo.
You're talking like they would be available throughout the whole draft.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 3, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you...
And I’ll NEVER understang the Anti-Hendo movement
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It's a one man army.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 3, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Bc “potential” is overrated on this site. Its more important than winning or production to some. Ok he’s young blah blah. Ok. But he cant shoot. We arent losing bc of defense (NY, PHX, GS). We are losing bc OFFENSIVELY we stink. Sorry to the newer fans but I’ve sat thru a few “Hendos” already. And I care more about the team getting better than I care about a individual getting better. If your skillset cant help the team, you gotta go. Some ppl on here (here only) wont even admit he isnt that good. Its almost being delusional. Its nothing wrong with being a “homer”. We all are to an extent but there is not many other team’s fans posting anything about “what if we had Henderson”. Hendo = Tyrone Lue
And you're the only one in the whole damn world that thinks of dumb shit like
“what if we had Alonzo Gee or Anthony Parker”.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 4, 2011 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm sorry for calling it "dumb shit",
I don’t mean to insult your opinions like that, but I’ve honestly never heard anyone talk about Gee or most of the other people you mention as being upgrades in such a positive manner compared to Hendo.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 4, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Bc I watch basketball
and I dont just run to ESPN.com to look at stats and substitute that for actual skill. Im a skillset man. Stats are ok but they dont tell the whole story. U say I say “what if” as if I wish we had those guys. Over Hendo? Yes. But I want the Bobcats to sign Kobe and Dwight and Amare, but they arent. I just dont think most of the posters actually think realistically when it come to FA and other “rotational” players from other teams. Im sorry but no one is sitting around hoping we trade them Hendo for someone (unless that player is like a 10th man). We WILL sign FAs (if we have a season). There is NO WAY AROUND IT. Just bc the majority of us dont like the “names” in FA dont mean the FO will “lay low for a season”…not gonna happen. We will sign FAs. And you best believe we will get more than one. The choices we make will let some of us know the direction the team is headed. Look for a Nick Young or JR Smith. And if not a big name, we will fill roster spots with some as we like to call “upside/potential”. To say Gee has no upside is just being biased toward other players like only our players or “famous” players have upside. Whats the difference btw Rudy Fernandez and Mo Evans skillwise? I’ll wait. Skillwise, whats the difference btw Gee and Afflalo? I’ll wait. Youth is good. Ability is better. Who do you compare Hendo to realistically? Alot of ppl like to give him credit for his D but its not like its super good. Its slightly above avg but its way overblown on this site. Its like he’s Bowen on here. At best I see is Raja or Larry Hughes..which isnt bad if you have a decent scorer to play along with them on SECOND STRING
Ok Focus,
you’re right. You’re the only one on the site that watches other teams in the NBA. Michael Jordan, Stephen Jackson, and Paul Silas don’t know what they’re talking about. Neither does Flip Saunders or Greg Poppovic. They’re all idiots. Henderson is garbage and Gee is light years ahead of him. It disgusts me that someone would write a thread calling Henderson a breakout player and not Gee. Larry Brown was right. Henderson should always be on the bench and never get time to SHOWCASE his skills because he’s garbage. The one game that he got significant minutes against the Nets and ended up having a perfect shooting night meant nothing. He should always be on the bench. Now that Gee on the other hand, boy, he’s great. But back to Mr. Garbage Hendo. He should be a 6th man forever because that’s what 6th men are. Never mind that Henderson’s statistics immediately jumped after Brown was fired. That meant absolutely nothing at all. It’s all a fluke. Ok.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 4, 2011 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
He didnt have a perfect shooting night
But put up surprising numbers in a win and was subsequently benched again when the playoffs starting. I’m referring to a game against the Nets at the end of the year when we got swept by Orlando. Everybody was like wow, we might have another weapon. Everybody except for you and Larry brown I suppose.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 5, 2011 7:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Amazing...
Back to Hendo…
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by andrewlail76 on Aug 5, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh
and when I post a list from Bleacher Report, its bs. But someone post an opinion article from Hoopshype.com and their OPINION article is “credible”…bias
Well your
whole thing is we are ALL being homers, which is impossible when you consider the fact that Proctob agrees about Hendo so obviously other people outside of the organization are paying attention. I’m not even understanding your point right now. Where is this bias shit coming from? And what list are you referring to?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 5, 2011 8:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
so if Procton agrees, its the gospel? Please. You said “Hendo is on a list of breakout SGs”. And? Who made the list? I can show you a couple of “lists” that mention Gee as being an under the radar pickup.
No, its not the gospel,
But everyone around here knows that he disapproves of everything Bobcat related but even he thinks Henderson can be very good. Don’t get carried away and start acting like I put my faith in an article. The point was that people with no bias for us recognized his talent.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 6, 2011 2:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I disapprove of bad moves.
Not my fault we make them left and right.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 6, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol, nah I feel you
I’m just saying you obviously don’t give a damn about being a homer and Focus seems to think any charlotte fan calling Hendo good is due to being a homer. A true homer approves of everything the team does.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 6, 2011 2:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Bleacher Report is awful.
That is a fact, not opinion.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 6, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah and McGuire grabbed 17rebs. Walter Hermann dropped 33pts. Ok. He had a good game against a team who had probably went ahead and shut it down. His stats jumped bc his PT went up. He was upgraded to starter after our SG was moved to SF. Stop acting like he “earned a starting spot”, We didnt have a choice. It was him or Carroll. Hendo is a LOTTERY PICK. Gee was a second rd’er (same year). Go look at the career stats. Exactly. The same. So how can you say one player sucks and one doesnt when they have the exact same career stats. You are saying bc he was traded, that he sucks? That makes no sense. So Hendo is better than Kobe and Jax bc they were traded? Gee was on a team with James Anderson, Ginobili, Gary Neal and Rich Jefferson. Of course he would be traded. His rookie season he dropped 7.5ppg in 16mins. Not bad. Thats a lil over 16pts per 36mins. 78% from 3 in his short time in Was.
Your thought
Process is terribly flawed. I’m done trying to explain what pretty much everybody knows. I feel like I’m getting dumber trying to explain why I feel he is better than Gee, Bogans, and Parker. Fuck it, the people in charge feel the same so just pay attention to what the professionals do.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 5, 2011 8:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So since the “consensus” likes Hendo, its automatically fact? Nope. So there is no “what everybody knows”. Everybody didnt know that Gee and Hendo have the same career stats. Gee in less minutes. We havent had a FA period yet and as unstable as our FO is, you can expect anything out of FA.
Well, like I say, our organization is holding Henderson in a high regard
while no one is holding or has ever looked at Gee that way, so, whatever. It’s not really worth discussing if you can’t see that.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 6, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
A organization holding faith in a lottery pick, Thats uncommon. The fact still remains, they have the same career stats
And the same career playing time,
so what are you saying? If you want to say it would be bi-lateral movement, that’s fine, but stop trying to say Gee would be better if they PUT UP THE SAME STATS. That’s the whole point. You’re talking like Henderson has been playing the entire game. Damn, I wouldn’t even argue with you if you said they were equal players but you’re calling GEE, F’IN GEE FOR CHRISTS SAKES, clearly better than Henderson. I’m just not buying that, at all.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 6, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
But if I woere to say “Hendo’s better than Gee” the whole site would say “Clearly” “+1” and its simply not fair to players who get overlooked bc they werent overhyped coming outta college but can help teams all the same. Im not biased at all toward any player. I would never try to make the team worse.
And it is fair to players who were condemned to the bench by a crotchety, has-been coach with a veteran fetish?
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 6, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
If you get cut after dropping 7.5pts in 16mins in your Rookie season, does that mean you suck? 7pts and 3rebs in 16mins doesnt constitute being cut. Had to be off the court.
Hendo is a good role player
I honestly believe Henderson could be a key role player on this team in 3-4 years. I doubt he will be the 25 PPG guy that people on here are labeling him as. That’s not to say he is bad or worse than Gee, but I don’t see him being more than a 25 minute guy that plays good defense and scores a little. This is why we should pick up an Wilson Chandler, Nick Young, or Marcus Thorton with STAR potential.
I dont know who has ever said anything
About him averaging 25 ppg. The thing is though he does have the potential to be a starting player on a very good team. I feel like he can average 18 and play excellent defense for a playoff team. When you have a piece like that in place, there is no reason to think finding that players replacement should be a top priority. Everyone knows whoever our sf of the future turns out to be is more than likely going to need to be a fireball on offense.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 6, 2011 4:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
its a slight exaggeration
he could average around 18
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
he averahed 13.4 as a starter
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
LOL.
He’s never going to improve after his first consistent playing time in the league.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 8, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
NOBODY has EVER labeled him a 25 PPG player.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 8, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Umm, being waived constitutes being cut.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 8, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
You think Hendo being a lottery
Pick dictates how I feel about him? I don’t give a damn where he was picked. He could’ve been undrafted and I would be saying the same thing. I base my opinions on visual evidence. And I still believe Henderson is better, but it would be easier to deal with you saying they were equal players because Gee is nowhere near as good you’re hyping him to be. Yes, I know who he is and how he plays. Charlotte isn’t the only team I watch.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 6, 2011 2:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nice try.
But Gee was never traded. He has now been given up on by three teams. Waived, cut, given the deuces. They didn’t think he was good enough to keep on his roster. He only stuck once he arrived on one of the worst teams in recent memory, Cleveland last year.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 6, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
How many points did he avg his rookie year? If you come from the second rd in the draft and avg 7.5pts in your ROOKIE Season and still get cut, its not your fault. And that was in 16mins. Be real and tell me thats not good. Its not his fault. Unless it was off the court.
When you only do it in 11 games, yeah, it shows that you're not very good.
Jumaine Jones scored 11 PPG for us and was out of the league a year later. I’m sure that was another mistake by the league, huh?
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 6, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
OK, let's look at their shared dropoff.
Jones went from 18.4 points/48 in ‘05-’06 to 13.9 points/48 in ‘06-’07. That’s a 33% dropoff.
Gee went from 21.3 points/48 in ‘09-’10 to 14.3 points/48 last year. That’s a 49%(!!!) So what was that excuse about switching teams again?
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 8, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Or if we want to be REAL…he went from 7.7pts a game to 5.9,,,not a major dropoff at all considereing the team he was playing for. PER 48 (which no one plays a whole game) will make gains and drop offs alot worse than the ACTUAL stats…
Not really.
Pure scoring rate is a perfect way to neutralize playing time. The chance is the same whether you talk about per 36, per 24, or per 12 minutes.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 8, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
PER 48 is ridiculous
If a guy scored 2 points in his 2 minutes of playing time, he scored 48 PP48 Minutes. Obviously that is ridiculous
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
But it's not a two-minute sample in EITHER case.
You’re the one being ridiculous.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 9, 2011 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m just showing how ridiculous that statistic. Jumaine averaged 27 minutes a game in 05-06. Averaging 18/per 48 doesn’t determine value.
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
Right, but it does determine scoring rate.
You asked if it was indicative of a player’s ability that his scoring would drop from one year to the next. Gee’s did just like Jones did, and in fact was a steeper decline. But I guess that doesn’t matter now that it doesn’t work for you, huh?
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 9, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Too be honest, I had not heard of Jumaine Jones before this post. I’m simply saying that scoring rate statistics such as PER48 can be very misleading if you use them as a stand-alone statistic.
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
You hadn't heard of Jumaine Jones?
He is a legend in these parts. He scored 31 points to beat the Lakers and end a 13 game losing streak. At least that’s how I’ll choose to remember him.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Aug 9, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol, +1.
I remember that game. He went nuts!
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 9, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I became a Bobcats fan in the 05-06-07 range
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
Yeah, you probably missed it then.
What made you become a Bobcat fan?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 10, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I became a fan the year before we drafted Morrison, 05-06. Although, I wasn’t truly a fan until the 06-07 season. One night i turned on the TV and saw the 3OT Lakers game. I was hooked.
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
Lol, that's awesome.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 17, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
His one season here was '05-'06.
He started 42 games for us at forward.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 10, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Amen.
He was a solid player on a pretty bad team.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 10, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
You just make up crap
Eveyone has proven you wrong and you will not even think about whether you might be wrong. You are the worst kind of blogger. Your the one that only cares about being right and whenever someone proves your wrong you will not adamit and pull stuff out of your ass. You will not even look at it from someone elses point of view, you are one of these arrogant dicks that thinks you are always right and everyone is dumb. I really hope you dont talk to people like this in the real world because you would get your shit rocked if you havent already. Im sure your just one of the people that talks big behind a computer. Maybe you have the same opinions in the real world but im sure you dont talk to people and to some degree are disrespectful to others. And if you do talk like that in real life then you better be a big dude or it will catch up to you.
Hey man...just let it go...
You’ll feel better about it.
Just refer to my saying…
“The best part about a blog post is if you ignore it, it dies”
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by andrewlail76 on Aug 17, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Don't hold back. Tell us how you REALLY feel.
(Sorry, that’s my typical humorous [I hope] response when anyone goes on a rant about how they dislike something/someone.)
by Tim Rudisill on Aug 18, 2011 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Lmao.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 18, 2011 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I like it...
We just can’t let the site turn into a dump zone…
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by andrewlail76 on Aug 18, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
The problem with simply being a "skillset man"
is that your view of players is entirely based on your opinion, which you’re certainly entitled to. But I think I speak for everyone else on here when I say that your opinion isn’t any more valuable (or accurate) than the rest of our opinions.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Aug 5, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Yup...
I actually made a similar suggestion in another post.
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by andrewlail76 on Aug 5, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. Paying attention to "skillsets"
have people believing things like Boris is one of the top PF’s in the game. Better than people like Amare, Griffin, KG, all of em.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 5, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Is skilsets a nice way to say
Frustrating and suckish?
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by andrewlail76 on Aug 5, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
From all I'm hearing, yes.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 5, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly what the hell are you basing
Your love for people like Gee off of then? Why is his potential/upside greater than that of Hendersons? Because he hasn’t done a damn thing except for become a journeyman in only his second year?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 5, 2011 8:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
is that his fault. I watched what he did in his rookie year. A backup putting up 7ppg in a measley 16 minutes is pretty damn good. Like I said, Gee CAN shoot from distance, play inside and out and moves well without the ball. Again circumstances are for some reason not accounted for other than for Hendo. We make every excuse to why where he isnt where he is supposed to be but no one else can have the “short end of the stick”. Gee had the “short end of the stick”…still no one has refuted the fact that they have the same career stats but picked like 30 spaces apart in the draft. We go as far as to make Hendo’s leg injury an excuse. Its not. He had it since birth and made it to duke. No one said Gee was an allstar. But he has just as much if not more “potential/upside” as Hendo. Hendo got PT bc we had NO OTHER CHOICE.
I like Gee like I’ve stated in a few other post. I think he would fit well on this team and could possibly turn out better than Henderson. I kinda understand why you are saying what you are saying because there numbers are almost the same and he is getting paid way less to do pretty much the same stuff
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by gunnin' gervin on Aug 6, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Uhhh, actually started getting playing time BEFORE
Gerald Wallace was traded, which actually made the decision to trade Wallace easier. Saying the team had no choice is just dumb. And regardless of why he was on the court, he put up the stats. Just stop the hypocrisy. Why was Gee given playing time? Because he was just so talented?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 6, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hendo’s play did not make the Wallace trade easier. Saving 20mil made the Wallace trade easier. Why would you go so far as to insult Wallace like that?
Ok. You win.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 6, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Slow Down Now
Lets calm down a little before we liken “Hendo” to Gerald Wallace
No one is doing that.
Henderson’s impressive performances off the bench played a role in Wallace being dealt. Although the trade was about a lot more than giving Henderson more playing time, anyone that hasn’t totally forgotten the circumstances at the time knows that the organization wanted to have a better evaluation of Henderson because he was doing so surprisingly well off the bench when Larry brown had us all thinking he was awful because he didn’t give him playing time.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 6, 2011 4:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
im just sayin
They traded Wallace to dump money and to grab picks, not because they thought Henderson could replace Wallace in some way.
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
Well, saying that Gerald Wallace
was traded just because Gerald Henderson showed flashes is an ultra simplistic way of looking at things that a general basketball fan might see, but I’m not a general fan. That entire argument is moot anyway considering that Henderson is a SG and Wallace is a SF. Of course the primary purpose of Wallace being traded was that we were going into a rebuilding mode. Getting his salary off the books while acquiring two first round picks along with a young guy who could possibly be a future rotation player was obviously the big prize, but I have no doubt that Henderson’s performances off the bench and the revival of D.J. Augustin played at the very least a small part in the decision of the front office to blow up the team. They looked at it as hell, we’re barely in the playoff race with all these big name players, we could possibly be in the same position without. And that much is true. I expect us to still contend for the 8th spot in the playoffs even next year. It’s not that hard to do. Henderson’s play off the bench no doubt gave the front office more of a reason to take our chances while rebuilding rather than just fielding the same mediocre squad year after year.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 6, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
it just depends
I would have tried to keep Wallace around for veteran leadership next year, but that’s just me.
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
I don't think it's about leadership.
Wallace was great for marketability and presence, but I think the biggest reason to have kept him was to wait for a better return.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 8, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
The argument isn't really moot.
Wallace was a starter for us. Henderson took the spot that was vacated by Wallace, regardless of the position (Jackson changed spots to take the SF position, but his replacement on the court was Henderson.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 8, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
That's true.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 8, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
They said SPECIFICALLY, however, that they were more comfortable doing it because they believed Henderson could capably perform in Wallace's starting spot.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 8, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
Hendo’s play off the bench during Silas’ tenure made it obvious the dropoff from a Jax/Wallace lineup to a Jax/Hendo lineup wasn’t going to be dramatic. The biggest impact was to the depth at the wings.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Aug 8, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
He doesnt remind me of a wingman. Wes Johnson is a prototypical wing to me. I wouldnt mind having Webster either.
LOL...what DOES he remind you of?
He’s obviously not a point guard. He’s not a post player. So what else could he possibly be?
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 8, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
he’s a guard but he isnt a wingman. A wingman TO ME plays the wings. Normally scoring off the wings. He just defends the wings. He’s a SG but not a “wingman”. He’s Bowen with less range..
Who is "likening" him?
At the time of the Wallace trade, Higgins, Jordan, and Silas talked about the fact that the trade was easier given that they felt Henderson was ready to take Wallace’s vacated spot in the starting lineup.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 8, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
ha. ha.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 8, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, no...
Knee tendonitis is not present at birth.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 6, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Right
The Hip issue was the trigger for the knee…
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no one said that. KG by the way is more skilled than Diaw. But we arent talking about a 20ppg PF compared to an 11ppg PF. We are talking about a 6.1pts 3reb guy (career) compared to a 6.9pt 2.4reb (career) guy. Seems like a good comparison to me.
Yeah, sure
Henderson would have averaged
Only 6 a game with decent minutes. You’re just not making sense. Just take it as a loss. Does it not mean anything to you that absolutely no one agrees with you?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 5, 2011 8:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No it doesnt
I know Im arguing with diehard fans. I am one too but I dont care if diehard fans dont agree. I’ve seen things like “JR Smith would be a good BACKUP for Hendo” and Im supposed to second guess my opinion? No way. I’ve seen everything from Marcus Thornton to Wilson Chandlerand Jared Dudley arent as good as Hendo. So no, I dont care if the majority doesnt agree. I’ll stick by opinion bc its unbiased but its not sugarcoated bc I love the BOBCATS not individuals.
What?!
People actually think Henderson is better than Thornton, Wilson Chandler and Dudley!?!? Now I see why you go in on Henderson so much. All those guys are 10 times better than him. Not to mention Thornton is getting paid peanuts compared to what Henderson is making. I would love to see the team get any of the guys you named besides J.R. Smith. I don’t really care for him but Thornton would be a great pick up for the Bobcats
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by gunnin' gervin on Aug 6, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Lol, so now all the sudden Dudley is great?
And there is nothing wrong with suggesting Henderson is better than any of those guys except for maybe Chandler.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 6, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hendo isnt great. You dont have to be “great” to be better than Henderson. You dont even have to be an allstar to be better than Hendo. You dont have to be a starter to be better than Hendo. Shannon Brown, Jr Smith, Jordan Crawford, Jamaal Crawford, Brandon Rush, Wes Matthews, Marcus Thornton are players who dont start that are better than Hendo. Among others
Well, if that's how you feel, then ok.
Our organization is moving forward with Hendo now though so get used to it and stop bringing up any random non-starting SG that you can think of.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 6, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Shannon Brown? Christ. You really are crazy.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 6, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
We’ve all witnessed first hand what that guy is all about.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 6, 2011 2:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
+1
Focus lost me with Shannon Brown. LOL.
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by gunnin' gervin on Aug 6, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
He knows nothing about basketball
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by Bring Back Primoz on Aug 6, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Lost me with
Rush also. LOL.
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by gunnin' gervin on Aug 6, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
they still started
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
Thornton is a very good player and Dudley has turned out to be a very solid player. I’m not dissing Henderson at all but Thornton is a very good player and offensively is very nice. I watched Thornton play a lot after he got traded to Sacramento and that team played way better after he got there. They were in a lot of games that you wouldn’t think they could hang around in partly because of his offensive output. The guy can put the ball in the hoop pretty efficiently and is young with a waaaaaayyyyyy cheaper contract.
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by gunnin' gervin on Aug 6, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah, I like Thornton.
He’s actually one of the guys Focus mentions that I think would come in and more than likely take out Hendo because he is a ball of fire on offense. But he’ll have his pay day very soon. Sacramento is determined to keep him.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 6, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah they or somebody else is gonna pay that man
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by gunnin' gervin on Aug 6, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
JR Smith doesn't start because
he’s a hard head with no intentions of playing great defense. You seem to not take any other thing into account except for a player’s ability to score. It’s the same reason why Memphis sees Mayo as expendable when you think he’s the key to their team. And I never said Thornton, Chandler, or Smith would come in to back up Hendo. Don’t lump every Bobcat fan in the same pile just because they don’t agree with your shit. I don’t even know why you keep mentioning Dudley. He’s a SF/PF. Henderson is a SG! But just because Dudley can shoot from the outside we should put him at SG right? No one else in the league thinks of shit like that except for you buddy.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 6, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Jared Dudley is NOT a PF. AT ALL. He is a SF/SG. Always has been. ANd no I dont group everyone together. PHX must have done somehing new, the last time I checked, Dudley was a wingman. But I have heard it numerous times. Seems like if the player has no level of “fame” then he’s not good as Hendo.
What does fame have to do with anything?
Dudley played for us so trust me when I tell you I know all about the guy. And I would love to see Dudley try to guard Wade or Kobe. We would see how much a SG he really is then.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 6, 2011 2:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Actually he does sometime. When he was Charlotte he was still chubby. The guy lost a ton of weight after he went to the Suns and he sometimes plays the 2 for them. But like you said he mostly plays 3 or a stretch 4 when teams go small
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by gunnin' gervin on Aug 6, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Dudley has turned out to be the player I always thought he could.
He’s another product of Larry Brown’s refusal to use young players. But yeah, I’m just saying he and Hendo play different positions and shouldn’t even be used as comparisons. Dudley can play SG for stretches of time, but no team would ever come into their season and be like “Jared Dudley will be our starting SG this year”.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 6, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
For the record, here are Dudley's position splits:
SF-62% of his minutes
SG-31%
PF-8%
(Rounding errors cause the total to be over 100%)
He also played a few minutes here and there at PG.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 8, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, there ya go, facts to back up your point.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 8, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Eight percent is a mark that suggest he can capably play the position.
Should he start there? Perhaps not, depending on the lineup, but he can do it.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 8, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
And Chuck Hayes plays center at 6'6". What's your point?
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 8, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Mayo
did you watch how he played in the playoffs. Mayo played solid defense, especially against my Spurs. He would be a great pick up for Charlotte also. Of course for the right price though. Don’t over pay for the guy.
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by gunnin' gervin on Aug 6, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Mayo is pretty good,
and like Focus, I was a little upset that we didn’t make a trade for him considering what Indiana was on the verge of getting him for, but I’m just saying general managers don’t always hold the best scorers in that high of a regard. Despite his production, Mayo has been expendable because they can get good defense from the other SG (Tony Allen) and a little offensive production and they can get points from the SF position with Gay. Even if Henderson turns out to be another Tony Allen, that’s still a pretty decent piece to have on a winning squad even though he doesn’t light the score board up.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 6, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Henderson is a FAR better all-around player than Smith.
J.R. Smith is an unrepentant gunner who does little else but shoot.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 6, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
So your not a diehard fan?
And because we are diehard fans that means are opinions are not good or we are dumb? Please explain this comment because this was the most arrogant thing you dumb ass has ever said. Because we are diehards that means we automatically like everyone and our opinions are all fan based? Your a fucking dick we are fans like you and we have our opinions based on what we see, you must think we a re all just stupid and your the only smart one talking. For this comment you deserved to get punched in the face. This isnt about your opinions anymore its aout how disrepectful you are to people and how arrogant you are.
And how the hell does KGs skillset
Outweighs that of diaws? Can Garnett shoot 3s? Can he rack up assists? Can he play point forward? No. But he is more skilled than Boris? How? Before you say KG is more skilled think of all the ridiculous criteria you use to say everyone is better than Henderson.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 5, 2011 8:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah ridiculous criteria like SCORING and 3pt PERCENTAGE for a SG. Right. KG has a better post moves, he’s defensivey better in every category of defense if you want to break defense into intricate pieces. KG CAN stretch the floor, it may not be a 3 but alot of PF cant step out and guard him at 20ft. And If Im not mistaken, I think you are comparing the BOS KG to the SUNS Diaw bc this skillset argument is NO CONTEST. In KG’s earlier years, he could bring the ball upcourt. He still can play inside outside. He rebounds well, He blocks well. He had a way better shot selection and can create his own offense if need be. Stop it, there is no comparison in SKILLSETS. And Im not even talking about production yet, Thats an insult to one of the greats, Stop.
Remember this..........
What can Henderson do that Gee can’t? What can Gee do that Henderson can’t?
Now let me flip that to,
what can KG do that Boris can’t? What can Boris do that KG can’t? You’re really exposing yourself to be biased as hell because if you’re sitting here telling me that KG can play the PG position or pick up assists, or shoot 3’s such as Boris, then you’re just lying to yourself now.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 6, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Lets play
bc you are exposing yourself for not knowing who KG is or was. Hopefully its some guys that can vouche for the fact that KG could bring the ball up the court in Minny. Hopefully that can vouche that KG has the same career avg in assists as Diaw. Hopefully they can vouche for the fact that KG can create his own shot off the dribble. Moves better without the ball. Can shoot the long range 2. Has better post moves. Is a better defensive player. Cant hit the 3 like Diaw but stretch the floor and actually demands attention. STOP. KG is and was way more skilled that Diaw is. Diaw only has him beat in 3’s. When is the last time Diaw played the PG? Oh I forgot about rebounding
Vouche?
Some kind of failed effort to use French as an argument enhancer?
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 6, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
You think this is about KG?
I can use any top PF in the game. Make your choice…. randolph, gasol, Duncan, boozer, amare, griffin, WHOEVER. Now tell me they all possess a better skillset than Boris, which they don’t, and then tell me how they are better than Boris, which they are. My whole point is that skillset argument is weak and wack because having more variety in your game doesn’t make you a better which is what you constantly use as a point of reference to demonstrate why whoever is better than Hendo
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 6, 2011 3:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
psh
can he defend, can he rebound, can he block shots, can he finish at the rim….didn’t think so
Who Boris?
Although he might not those things on the same level as KG, they are not glaring weaknesses in his game other than shot blocking? Everyone in the world knows Boris could be great if he played with a passion. He is one of the most versatile big men in the NBA. Everyone knows this. Even focus.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 6, 2011 4:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
he's a poor defender, i dont care what people say about him
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
At worst, Boris is an average defender.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 6, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
he is simply too slow and his
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
laterald movement is declining
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
Not exactly.
In five of his eight seasons, his defensive win shares have exceeded those on the offensive end. Further, his ability to guard multiple positions makes him more valuable.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 8, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Diaw is supposed to be able to guard multiple positions but I cant see him standing in front of a Scoring SF. Maybe a tweener like Cunningham or Derrick Brown. But he def cant stay in front of an Ariza, Melo, Lebron type SF. In that case we can say that KG can guard 3 positions too. KG is a waaaayyy better defender than Diaw. KG’s defense has NEVER been in question. KG’s SKILLSET >>> Diaw’s SKILLSET/STATS…
And what about the other PF's?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 8, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
"Slightly above average" defense?
I call bullshit. He’s well above average as an on-the-ball defender, is a great shot-blocker for his size, and can match up with players far larger than he is (see Garnett, Kevin.)
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 6, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
can not match up with KG. Stop. Rondo guarded Lebron a couple plays too. And as much as I dont care for Lebron, I would never say Rondo can stick with Lebron. Never. Slightly above avg. Its not well above avg. His defense is nowhere close to Gary Payton, Bowen, Pietrus or Toney Allen.
Henderson ALREADY has a better offensive game than all of those guys aside from Payton.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 6, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
All Bowen had was a three from the corner.
Otherwise, he was as offensively inept as Keith Bogans.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 6, 2011 4:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
id take a deadly three from the corner
over a 80% of the time assisted jumper
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
80% of the time assisted jumper,
followed by an ability to drive and dunk or draw fouls and get to the line. It’s fine though.You have your opinions, we all do.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 6, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And Bowen's shots were off assists 100% of the time.
No ability to create his own shot at all.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 6, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
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by gunnin' gervin on Aug 6, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
true, but he was more consistent
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
Huh?
He didn’t shoot over 41% until he was 31. Should we give Henderson six or eight years to develop, too?
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 8, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
He doesn't need it.
People just need to lower their expectations on a player who is about to enter his first full season of consistent playing time. No, he’s not as consistent a shooter as a late-career Bruce Bowen. But shooting was never supposed to be his strength, and how many young players are that consistent? Derrick Rose isn’t. Rajon Rondo isn’t. Russell Westbrook isn’t.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 8, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
None of us believe we should wait 8 years on Hendo to develop
But shouldn’t he get one full year?
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by Bring Back Primoz on Aug 8, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
NEVER
Wait…what?
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by andrewlail76 on Aug 8, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
But trading a guy who you know what he can do and how he works for a draft pick of a guy who you don’t know how hard he works or if his game will translate to the NBA isn’t based on potential?!? LOL.
I’m not against trading anybody on this team because the team isn’t that great and everybody in my opinion is up for grabs. BUT…… Henderson is still a young player and the staff knows his work habits and what he actually can do in the NBA.
If the front office thinks a player will be better than him then of course they should go for it. Trade him, release him do what ever.
I just think the wording of your argument is off a bit. All of those guys who will enter the draft are unknown commodities and you are picking them because of the same POTENTIAL word you called overrated. LOL.
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by gunnin' gervin on Aug 6, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
That's crazy ain't it?
I’m not saying Henderson is better than any of these people, but none of them aren’t clearly better than Henderson either at this stage of their career. Sure, they would come in and provide good competition and a lot of them would more than likely have a good chance at taking Hendo’s starting spot, but none of these guys are light years ahead of him as is constantly suggested.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 6, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 6, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
He CAN help the team, though.
The team performed much better when he stepped into the lineup.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 6, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow Focus
Your still starting these useless arguments. Let it go, throw in the towel you will be a lot happier. Unless you your jolly’s off of this.
Could we close this post?
I just spent a half hour reading senseless beating of a poor dead horse
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got any better post ideas? If so, yes. But why take away something that has us posting. As long as you have a team that isnt a champion, you should get used to many days of hearing about “dead horses”. Its not fair especially during a lockout to take away our only means of Bobcats convo. Its a lockout. And worse than that, it happened before free agency. No one wants to talk about the figures and monetary issues concerning the lockout. Thats not what fans of a team do. We talk about the team. Let us have something. Hendo wont be the last dead horse you hear about. There will always be a deadhorse until we produce a top team. That goes for any fan of any team. But until the season starts and we start making moves, the current state of the roster is basically all we can chat about.
lol
you gotta point
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by gunnin' gervin on Aug 7, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
That's my biggest fear of this lockout
Me having to read the same old crap for one year straight.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Aug 7, 2011 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
you have a point also! LOL
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by gunnin' gervin on Aug 7, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Better ideas?
Hmmm…
Well
YOU, focus, do not thing Hendo will amount to crap…
I’m fairly certain that there has to be another topic besides that one. I mean, we could discuss whether or not we make an offer to Kwame, we could research whether Tyrus’s knee is doing well or not(see Sunday’s Charlotte Observer article), we could cover free agents that could possibly be a compliment to what players we have under contract, a discussion on what would be the BEST resolve in the CBA, look and discuss the type of birth defect Hendo had repaired & discuss the healing process & how it was triggering tendinitis in his knee, discussion on Kemba and his offseason activities,…
Yup
Can’t think of anything
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by andrewlail76 on Aug 7, 2011 10:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Come on Andrew
I much prefer the “Hendo punches little kids and kicks puppies” arguments.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Aug 7, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
And elbows college legends in the nose but gets mushed by 30yr old fraternity members and does nothing…
The elbow to Psycho T was incidental contact...
IMO
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Let it go
I’m a huge Tar Heel fan and I think the flagrant on Hansbrough was absolutely intentional. But you have to let it go. He’s a Bobcat now.
(But I think we just found the true reason behind the hatred for Hendo. And it has nothing to do with his performance.)
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by Bring Back Primoz on Aug 8, 2011 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
hahah true
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
Yup...
Pick at it long enough…something comes out of it.
Being an NC State fan…I could care less…but…I like Hendo and Psycho T both, and from watching when Hendo would jump high, in the position he was in, I saw him swinging to get his hands down in cashe he might be getting ready to hit the floor hard, but I digress
He’s a Bobcat and the end
;-)
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by andrewlail76 on Aug 8, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh please...
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 8, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
When was Tyler Hansborough a legend?
Only thing I remember is he should of got his ass beat by Hendo in college then get his ass beat by GW in the NBA. Kids a punk.
It was a joke to get everyone worked up...
Appears to be a success
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by andrewlail76 on Aug 10, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
As much as I dislike he and Carolina...
He is unquestionably one of the most productive college players of all time.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 10, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
might turn out to be a solid pro also. But screw UNC
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by gunnin' gervin on Aug 11, 2011 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I HATE Carolina
But I actually watched some of the games just to see him play
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by andrewlail76 on Aug 11, 2011 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I'll take the opposite side (to agree with you)
I despise Duke and I hate Redick more than any player ever. But I can’t deny he could ball.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Aug 11, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
We talked about FAs but guess what? I soon as I mention a SG. Someone says “More Hating on Hendo”…so I have to basically pretend to name a bunch of players we dont need like PFs and PGs. I could name a Center to play behind Kwame but then we say “nah he sucks”…But I do want to talk about the ROSTER. So once someone starts a new topic then Im sure all the fans will be ready to jump on it. But we dont want to talk about the actual affliction that Hendo has. How long would that topic lasts? I do want to talk about the healing and what we can do to take precaution. But then I’d get the “more hating on hendo” reply. I cant name Gee bc he sucks but I cant name Wilson bc he makes us “middle of the road”…I would like to talk about Kwame Brown’s resigning but no one made the fanpost. I never said Hendo wouldnt amount to crap but I dont think he’s better than CDR and Alonzo Gee. Is that a crime? Even maybe but not better not slightly better not higher ceiling. Just even. Im not a medical specialist and I dont want to talk about the mitocondrion that develop and poison the tendon this causing a bacterial infection that triggered tendonitis. I want to talk about whats keeping us from being a top team. I dont care that we are rebuilding, thats the best time to discuss the weak points. There is only one strong point on our team and thats defense. Lets talk about creating a team in the next couple years.
Hahaha that's a good point
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
and how to prhase things...
like -" Who would be a good backup for Hendo?"
That’s safer than
“What SG should we get that willreplace that sorry @ss, no talent Hendo?”
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I’ve named backups. I get the same reply. I even said draft Klay for a BACKUP and I got the “we dont need a SG”…sheesh. Cant say anything about our sacred SG position. We seem like we’d rather have Hendo and “whatever player cant eventually take his spot” playing behind him. But we want a Championship team. Im personally a fan of the positional competition. That means we have TWO players that can be effective. That “let him develop” only goes so far when you are on a rebuilding squad. You have plenty of time to develop when your team has a BIG THREE. But honestly a Rebuilding team has to go thru the destruction process. And whoever is there during that process obviously wasnt that good to start with. I also think ppl take my analysis of Hendo as some sort of “He’s a crappy person”…I just said he lacks the skills of a STARTING SG….he may get better but should we not take precaution by signing an evenly matched or better SG just bc he may not develop.
If the price is right Focus, yes.
But a lot of the guys you bring up are either A) going to cost too much (Thornton, Chandler) or B) shouldn’t even be considered to start (Gee, Bogans).
Now, don’t get me wrong, I’d love to have Gee come in and be a role player or provide some healthy competition for Hendo or even a vet like Parker to come in and show him the ropes a little more, or hell, even JR Smith or Thornton if we could sign them for a reasonable contract, but I don’t see any of that happening because all of those “underrated players” will get their money as they’re not really underrated at all.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 8, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Whats reasonable to you guys as far as a contract is concerned. I know its different calibers of players so just outta curiosity what would be the price range we wouldnt go over for Chandler, Thornton, Gee, Wafer…
I think anywhere between 6-8 will be the salaries for Thornton and Chandler. Just depends on how bad the guys are wanted.
I think players like Gee or Wafer should command 2-3 but they are left usually making the minimum. My only gripes with signing players like Chandler or Thornton is the timing. I think they will still put up the points and be worth the money they eventually get, but I think it’d be a terrible mistake to start using our cap space this year to sign players to long term big money deals. Next summer is where I think we need to be the most active and even though it’s all a pipe dream, I think it’s imperative that we use our cap space to at least go after Paul and Howard rather than hastily using it on players like Chandler and Thornton, who are although pretty good, just aren’t franchise changers. Other than giving ourselves a chance at Paul and Howard, I think it’s best that we use this year as a true evaluation period for all the talent we currently have. That’s not saying Henderson, or Bisymack, or D.J. and Kemba shouldn’t be challenged for their spots, it’s just saying that before we tie ourselves up again, we need to get rid of as much baggage as we can (which at this point is Carrol, Diop, Maggette, and even Tyrus to an extent though not as much). It’s like tearing a building down. You don’t tear it halfway down and start building on it again. You destroy it completely, giving yourself a new foundation to work with, and then build.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 8, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
We need to get rid of the all the suffocating contracts we have before signing anyone else to long term, fairly expensive deals. These guys have some potential but they also have the potential of being one of those guys we look back at in 2 years and say, “Crap, we’re paying him $7 million a year and he doesn’t expire for 3 more years.” We don’t need any of those right now.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Aug 8, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
But Howard is an 18mil and so is Paul. I cant realistically see them taking a paycut to play for a team that doesnt have the necessary tools to make them champions even if they play together. With Howard and Paul, you still need to run a similar Orlando offense. Surround him with shooters and let him do the rest. With us taking Kemba in the draft, I cant see us going after Paul anyhow. Howard is more realistic than Paul but thats like saying Big Foot is more realistic than the Lockness Monster. These guys may not go to teams that were playoff bound last season but they will be going to teams that can get them a championship almost immediately. Teams like SA, Hou, NY, LAL, Bos, Chi, ATL…we wont have enough to make a jump at both. But we could possible entice one or the other by grabbing a good FA and selecting a good player in the draft. How many teams in recent history have won championships without either a good SG or SF. One or both of those players usually have to be allstar caliber. We dont have that at either position. And I dont think Howard or Paul are going to wait around for players to develop and for us to dump contracts here and there. Thornton wont be a 6mil guy and if he is, it’ll be right there AT 6mil. I actually like Chandler more bc of his comparisons to Melo but being that he’s more 3 than 2, it wont give us any time to showcase Maggette for the deadline. {This is why I advocated getting as many picks in this past draft as possible}. We dont have much room or any pieces other than Diaw that can warrant us anything of value in return. We have a better chance at signing Kwame back and grabbing a Chandler, Young, or Thornton. Bc with our curent roster, its no telling when we’ll have the opportunity to grab someone at that level in 2012 FA.
None of those teams will have enough cap space to go after them either.
Why would Chicago make a run at Paul when they have Rose? Howard is a little more realistic, but they have Noah as well. L.A. won’t have cap space to sign either player. If they’re getting anybody, it’s Howard in a trade for Bynum. New York is definitely out of the running for both players. Either way, if you’re Michael Jordan and you know Chris Paul on that level, you may feel like making a run at him is worth it. That’s the key. We don’t know how these men talk behind closed doors. And if Paul and Howard want to play TOGETHER, we would be one of the few teams capable of pulling that off if we get rid of about 2 more contracts. I mean, nothing stopped the Heat from doing it. Granted they have a better market, I’m talking about the makeup of the team. They weren’t worried about the role players around them. And I think having ROLE players like Hendo, Tyrus, and Bismack wouldn’t be to bad of a situation to be in. Kemba could turn out to be a valuable piece to the franchise, or he could be used as trade bait. We’ll find out soon enough. But it’s all just what I think we’re feeling as a front office at the moment. Save your chips for the actual franchisers. With signing Thornton or Chandler, you’re actually killing yourself in two ways. Not only are you offering long term big money deals to what will more than likely be role players on contending teams throughout their whole careers, but you’re also putting yourself in the same pool of mediocrity before you have a chance to let your plan work. Think about it………………………….
We sign Thornton to a 6 year, 38 million dollar contract or something. Next year, we threaten for the 8th seed but ultimately miss out. So we’re left picking 15th in the draft. We add a role player to the team from the draft. Next year comes, it’s time to renew a couple RFA’s, we sign them to deals around the same. This year, we squeak in at the 7th spot, and add the 20th pick in the draft to our roster which turns out to be guess what, a role player. Next year it’s time to renew some more contracts, and now we’re pretty much capped out with a team that will probably be a 4th or 5th seed one day, but nothing more.
Would you really rather have that or……………….
We sign veteran players on cheap contracts to fill out the roster. We go through the year and evaluate the entire roster one by one. We are nowhere in the playoff picture but lose a lot of close games and show promise. We decide that whoever can net us some value and looks to be expendable can go at the deadline along with Maggette, Carrol, and Diaw (if he’s worth anything). In a season that was lost in the first place as far as being contenders go, we come out with a pool of 4 or 5 players we’re confident heading into the future with, a top 5 pick in the draft and the chance to sign whoever we want. Even if we missed out on Paul and Howard, there would still be talent available to fill in the gaps and move forward with as a franchise.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 9, 2011 6:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, picking about 13th.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 9, 2011 6:41 AM EDT up reply actions
The difference with the other teams and us are...
They dont need both. LAL, NY only need Paul while SA, ATL, Hou only need Howard. NY is a special case bc they could easily trade Amare and a few picks for Howard. And they will still be able to afford Paul once Chauncey’s contract is up in 2012. But anyhow, I think the “desire to win a championship in the latter years of their careers” trumps the “I wanna play together”. Coming here with the players you named doesnt do much for them. They would need a PF to stretch the floor and shooters on the wings. I dont think they would be willing to wait a year or two for us to rebuild. They can do that on the teams they are already on. The difference btween us and the heat is that Dwade, Haslem, Beasley consistently made the 3-5 spot in the playoffs, So that was enticing enough to Bosh and James to say “if he can do it with those two guys, Im sure with us we’ll be champions in no time”… Why leave a playoff team for a team that just will crack the 8th seed with you on it. They been playing for close to 10yrs, I dont think they’re willing to wait.
Thornton is easiest in my opinion to acquire. I just hate his height. As much as SAC wants him back, they cant give him that much. They cant even risk putting a big offer sheet out there. 4.5mil is my prediction. Look for the Suns, Celtics and Spurs. The reason, I say they wont pay that much is bc once Evans and Cousins and Hickson become FA, they have to get PAID bc they are the main characters. They already have to pay Salmons for 3yrs. Look for Bos, Phx and SA in the race. We should be in it too.
I agree with the Vets on the roster but when I suggest it, ppl think I actually want them to be apart of the team’s future. A Mo Evans would be fine. At PF, I wouldnt sign a veteran. As far as Biyombo goes, if he’s gonna play center, he needs to be backing up Kwame out of the gate. Dont put him at PF and let him play around, let him feel the steam NOW. Its tough but it’ll develop him faster. Im tired of our PFs having to play center. Let him get minutes at Center. As much as I wanna trade Tyrus, if he’s gonna be here, let him play. Let him and Diaw style on the spectators so we could get them outta here at the deadline. I cant see anyone taking Maggette’s contract. Im thinkin about it, and I cant see it. It must be something our FO is looking at somewhere that they feel they can trade Maggette for. I cant see it. Really stifled the rebuilding with that move. I cant see him being a trade chip. If Cho manages something with Maggette this season, then I will give him props in all caps. I still say we get Gee and Wafer. Gee is a SF but I think its a chance that we go for a SF in the draft (Barnes or Gilchrist). I think we are stuck with Dante bc I cant see anyone bidding on him. I hate we have a SF consisiting of players nobody wants. So once the draft comes around, we’ll have a whole bunch of 3’s and 4’s if we arent active.
Because, like I said, if they want to play TOGETHER,
we would be one of the franchise in position to do so. Even after Billups comes off the books, they still won’t have enough to sign Paul unless they eliminate everyone else off the roster as well, and then they’re still pushing it. Like I said, it’s all about them playing together. If they have no dreams of being teammates, that’s one thing, but if they want to play together as they’ve been so rumored to want for a while, then that opens up the chances of getting them. We still wouldn’t be at the top of the list probably, but it would at least give us a chance. Not every superstar team has to come in threes. Even Amare and Melo are just two, Billups is not a superstar. No team like Miami will be ever formed again. And when you’re incorporating two hall of fame caliber players into your lineup, it’s no longer considered rebuilding. It’s either championship or bust from that point on. I don’t see how you think Paul + Howard + the leftovers + a top pick would be an 8th seed. You’re now talking about a team ready to compete for a top 3 seed in the East behind Chicago and Miami, if that.
If Thornton signs for something as low as 4.5 million, we should absolutely pick him up or at least try to. I just don’t think he’ll go for anything less than 6. Other team’s around the league recognize his scoring talent as well. But if that’s a deal he’s willing to sign, then I’d be more than happy using the cap space on him as he’s not expected to peak for at least another 2 years. It would be a wonderful deal.
I don’t think we’ll be able to get anything out of Maggette except for an expiring contract, and that’s fine. Jax would’ve been the same case so I don’t see how big a difference having him would make. I think the biggest loss in that trade came from having to trade Shaun Livingston.
I think the contract with Cunningham is reasonable. Only 1 million for one year. He’ll be evaluated over a whole season and then we can decide if he’s a keeper or if he’s one of those expendable guys we can ship away at the deadline. I think he’ll end up averaging 8-9 off the bench. Not sure if that’s enough to satisfy your requirements, but I think he’ll do decent.
But I agree with bringing in players like Gee or Wafer whole heartedly. They will be cheap and they can help win some games now, which will at the least serve as a confidence booster. Even though I support rebuilding, I don’t support tanking, and signing players who are young, cheap, and fill weaknesses are smart for a franchise no matter what stage of roster construction you’re in.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 9, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
At this point we need to begin swapping back contracts and current players for picks. We have the point guard position secured for the future. In the upcoming draft (2012) there are multiple, potential franchise cornerstone in Harrison Barnes, Quincy Miller, James McAdoo, Perry Jones, and Michael Gilchrist. Or, if we decide to draft a big man, Jared Sullinger, Anthony Davis, John Henson, and Andre Drummond. we must select a cornerstone so we may begin building around him. Hopefully, in a couple years we can have a lineup looking something like this.
Point- Kemba
SG- Hendo or FA
SF- Anyone mentioned above
PF-Tyrus
C-Bismack
This list does not include those that have been picked up via trade or fre agency
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
Looks decent enough.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 9, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we will have to sign a few pieces. Honestly, Bismack may be moved to PF in which case the Bobcts will have to get a true center.
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
We'll definitely need to fill out the roster with skilled players.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 9, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Ugh.
That frontcourt isn’t looking any better no matter how many times people put it up there.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 9, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I think its time to move Tyrus. The diffence between Maggette and Jax is that Jax is in excellent shape and probably still wouldve dropped double digit scoring with the injury. Maggette on the other hand is coming off a even bigger injury and I cant see him giving us an expiring contract. Kaman or Jamison may be the only two we could get from him. Bismack needs to be a PF. We need a real center. This is why I want us to go after Krstic and Gray if we cant get Kwame back. Krstic is surprisingly good and was severly underused in Bos. Tyrus should be traded and we should let Bismack and White do their thing this season. And again Cunningham should be used in any trade to make salaries work. Im not a big fan of just going for upside over production but he has neither, I’d take Ngumbo over Cunningham.
I’d imagine we could get a 1st round pick for DJ Aug and Tyrus
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
I think it's more likely we would have to give up a first to get rid of Tyrus
He still has 4 years, $32 million left on his deal. I doubt teams are fighting each other to pay Tyrus $32 million. Honestly, I think it’s probably better to hang onto him and see if we can develop him. I think he has the potential to be a solid PF but he’s a bit of a knucklehead so I’m not sure he’ll ever get there. But considering what we would have to do to dump him, we should probably take our chances that he’ll figure it out.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Aug 9, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I wanna get rid of him I cant see anyone taking him other than Cleveland. I wish we could just dump him but we;d have to take back trash. We cant really showcase him bc Diaw has to be showcased and Maggette does. Tyrus contract is a must-go, Nothing he can do can justify his contract. Diop’s contract is less of a burden
I struggle to see the logic
They both make the same money and check out their averages:
Diop: 11.3 minutes, 1.3 pts, 2.5 rebounds, 0.94 blocks
Thomas: 21 minutes, 10.2 pts, 5.5 rebounds, 1.61 blocks
Not to mention Diop shoots 33% from the floor and 36% from the FT line. Despite being a center, he rebounds at a lower rate than Thomas and blocks shots at an equal rate. Production wise, Thomas is a great deal better than Diop every dreamed of being. Diop’s best year in an illustrious 10 year career is 3 points and 5 rebounds. You really think he’s less of a burden?
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by Bring Back Primoz on Aug 10, 2011 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Diop is gone after next season. Whether he sucks or not. Tyrus on the other hand will be here about 5yrs for a few mil more a season. To me, he’d have to be a 18+pt scorer to justify that type of money. So even if he sucks, we’re stuck with that contract.
You have to pay something for production
Diop is $15 million flushed down the toilet. Tyrus has 2 extra years but like him or not, he does produce. He has the highest PER on the team, scores 1 pt every 2 minutes, rebounds at a good rate, and blocks shots at an exceptional rate.
I know he has warts and he’s not the most efficient offensive player but he is productive. I have less heartburn about paying guys that are productive as opposed to those that are useless (Diop, Carroll, Najera).
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by Bring Back Primoz on Aug 10, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Tyrus isnt as productive as “PER” would like you to think. If Im not mistaken, DJ Whites is pretty high too. I like White tho. Tyrus’ time is up at the deadline HOPEFULLY. If we are looking toward the future, let Biyombo start at PF and let White play behind him. Diaw prolly will be gone but Tyrus should be packing up also.
I hope DJ White is kept
He’s the kind of depth we need.
He also seems to be a likable guy.
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by andrewlail76 on Aug 11, 2011 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I love White's game simply based
on the fact he actually plays like a true PF and I think he’s by far the only player on our roster that exhibits a PF skillset. Diaw is more of an “everything” type guy, which we really don’t need at the moment (he’d be great with a contender like OKC or Orlando if they can get their ish together)…….Tyrus is an athletic freak who can change the game on both ends of the floor for better or worse, but doesn’t provide the post presence desperately needed (consistent rebounding, easy putbacks), and Biyombo is just raw. My idea is that he is a defensive center one day, you’ll need your PF to be capable of at least putting up 10 a night, we need some scoring around the basket when the shots aren’t falling. That’s why I love White’s game, he demonstrates all of that. He may be the best TRUE PF to ever play for the Bobcats other than Okafor, who was moved to center at some point in his career.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 11, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Amen...
Old School Power Forward with a good Basketball IQ and a knack for knowing where the ball will go when it comes off the rim. I also believe that he will improve from what we saw last season.
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by andrewlail76 on Aug 11, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 12, 2011 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions
This.
The length of the contracts is very relevant.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 10, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree it's relevant
But paying a 6th man is different than paying a 10th man, right?
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by Bring Back Primoz on Aug 10, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Doubt Cleveland wants him.
They’ve got this other TT character they plan to start at PF.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 10, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats true and I think he’s gonna be pretty good. Well, give him to Denver. He’ll fit well there and PHX.
Can we get a sign and trade?
We pick up JR Smith and Nene for Tyrus and ?
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by andrewlail76 on Aug 11, 2011 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions
We would have to give Tyrus, DJ, and probably 2 first round picks for JR and Nene.
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
+1
And totally not worth it.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 11, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Very true
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by andrewlail76 on Aug 11, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
No. I doubt Den can pull off that. Both of those guys are as good as gone and with what they can do, they will have a decent amount of options. Tyrus will be hard to move bc most teams have a “Tyrus” already, The only thing I can see is trading him to Phi, MIl or taking back someone like Harrington or Richard Jefferson.
Kristic
signed with a team in Russia without an out clause I think.
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by gunnin' gervin on Aug 9, 2011 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
We can still go after Mosgov
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
I hope so. I think Denver may actually use him though. I wish there was a way to pry him away from Denver. We could try to sell them Kenyon Martin 2.0. Tyrus.
I agree.
But at <$3 mil for the next two years, I doubt they’re very eager to get rid of him.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 10, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
Got two years at about $8 mil total.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 10, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Because you claim nobody ever agrees with your ideas...
I’d be happy with Gray as a backup, and Krstic as a starter, though that would require a better backup than Gray, as he’s got a lot of mileage and an injury history.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 10, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Kwame or Fresenko. Fresenko isnt that good but he’s still young. Or we could always grab one of Minny’s Centers.
I don’t know about Fesenko, he seems pretty awful every time I see him play. What about Dexter Pittman in Miami?
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
I'd be fine with bringing back Theo.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 11, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
...to cheerlead? To teach the guys how to play chess in the park?
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 11, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
To serve as a veteran presence on a young squad in the paint.
He won’t effect our wins/losses much, but he’d be a decent option to have around. But they do need chess lessons as well.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 12, 2011 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions
He's a million years old.
He doesn’t belong on an NBA floor.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 12, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Kwame/Krstic would be a decent center two-deep. I’d want an above-average starter if we were getting Fesenko, though. He’s also about to sign in the Ukraine, anyway.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 11, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Kwame and Krstic would be awesome. I also wouldnt mind having Jeff Foster. He’s tough. Dex Pittman is good too. If we cant get Kwame back, Krstic and Pittman would be good. Is McRoberts over 6’10?
He’s exactly 6’10, but he is not capable of playing the center position. He’s a power forward.
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
In the time I’ve watched him it appears he is somewhat unable to defend the post or score in the paint. He is an athletic player and somewhat like a poor man’s Anthony Randolph. He could be a backup, I just think it would be wiser to go after a true center.
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
What about signing Primoz to a one year deal? He is still capable of being a 20 and 10 guy in the right environment.
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
Best idea I've seen on here!
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by Bring Back Primoz on Aug 11, 2011 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL...
BREZEC! My boy. Still the best center we’ve ever had.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 11, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Foster is VERY hobbled at this point in his career.
And Pittman is coming off a knee injury and under contract with the Heat.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 11, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd love having someone like Foster as well
to pick up a few minutes at the center spot. I like how hard he plays.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 12, 2011 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Problem is...
that rough-and-tumble style is taking its toll. He’s probably a 40- or 50-game player at this point in his career.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 12, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
And that is fine being that Biyombo is “supposed” to be a center. I think when the season starts, having Foster wont hurt but it will come a time where we HAVE to go ahead and put BB in his rightful position. I personally think he’s a PF. And although he must slowly transition into center, 40 or 50 games into the season, should be the right time to place him at backup center or starting. I mean the plan is to get a top draft pick so, its not like we want him to be a some kind of game winner. Just let him develop at center this season and we’ll draft and pickup FAs next season according to how far we think he is.
there big foreign guy went back overseas also. Darko is still there though.
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by gunnin' gervin on Aug 13, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
No, we don't take it personally.
We think you’re wrong.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 8, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
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by andrewlail76 on Aug 8, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Excellent
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by andrewlail76 on Aug 8, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Yi Jianlian still isn't a center.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 8, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
You appreciate defense as a strong point of the team and don't understand that Henderson greatly contributes to that?
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 8, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Charlotte has been a good defensive team before Hendo. When he wasnt getting playing time we were close to #1 in the league. Lets not jump out the window on how great defensively he is. He’s decent on defense. And so is Sefalosha and Anthony Carter…
...except they've had YEARS of experience getting consistent PT.
Henderson is at that level despite just barely getting his first significant on-court action after the Wallace trade.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 8, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Before it gets said...
the reason I’m not starting new topics here is because I have my own site to run, and since we never get any feedback, and only readers, We have remained fairly quiet.
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I write for B/R
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
Cool!
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by andrewlail76 on Aug 8, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
they actually hate B/R around here. Like the authors arent credible. I love it. They have great ideas and are generally unbiased when making opinions.
Haha...not even remotely shocking.
I bet you love a site based on pretty pictures and slideshows and amateur opinions rather than any kind of substantial fact.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 8, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d rather read something that talks about player skills as opposed to playing time than numbers like PER 48 stats that are pretty unrealistic. I’d rather hear news on who has the jump on what trade from insiders and who should have who or which team would benefit from player A than “Cunningham is better than T-Will based on taking Cunningham’s weed intake subtracted by T-Will’s straight jacket plus the distance from Hou to Charlotte equals Cunningham is better crap”
I just want basketball so we can stop talking about this make-believe crap and see some real NBA.
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
Agreed.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 9, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I've never seen anyone on the site suggest that Cunningham was better than Williams.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 9, 2011 6:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I like Williams, but if everyone cuts him or trades him how good can he be?
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
Not quite as good as Alonzo Gee?
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 10, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
he’s only been traded once. He was traded bc of “discipline”, not production. He and Avery didnt get along after the “dunk” and a couple missed practices sealed his fate.
What about a trade like Diaw and Diop for Jordan Hill and T Will.
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
Diop is untradeable at this point without giving away talent to take him off our hands.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 11, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Diaw Diop and Cunningham
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by andrewlail76 on Aug 11, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
;-)
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by andrewlail76 on Aug 11, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Do it
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by andrewlail76 on Aug 11, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
As much as I want it to happen, we have no need for Jordan Hill and I doubt Houston takes back a C or PF (they have enough). We could give Hou cash for Williams. I predict Houston will end up with Josh Smith or Iggy and let Air Bud backup. With Dragic and Flynn, they really have no need for Williams to run the pg. I think Houston is too overcrowded at most positions for T-Will to flourish. I cant see us making a run at Williams, I’ll keep hope alive but I cant see it. Acquiring Maggette kinda ruined any trades. The difference with him and Jax is their ability to be traded.
Not a chance
First of all, it’s not remotely close to working with today’s trade rules. Secondly, I can’t see one reason why the Rockets would even consider it.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Aug 11, 2011 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Chances are Williams will be used in whatever blockbuster trade Morey has brewing up. I kinda wish they would work a three team deal with us. But its just optimism. No team needs a SF like us and Boston. I cant see Williams flourishing in ATL (Josh Smith). I think we should just use our trade exception to acquire him.
Our problem with trades
Is that we’ve already moved most of the pieces that had value around the league. Cho will have to be really creative to help us out there. Maybe we could be the 3rd wheel to help facilitate a bigger deal.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Aug 11, 2011 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Im totally on board with this, This is how I will judge CHO. He lost me with the draft but if he can somehow pull off us getting an extra draft pick or moving Maggette or Thomas. But I am all in with the firesale. Any teams need to drop off some young guys to make salaries work, Im all in. I hope that Iggy, Smith and Ellis arent involved in the same trades so we can be apart of them all, Heck, lets get in on the Granger move if it is one. All 4 of those team or whoever they are trading with may have something valuable. I wouldnt mind waking up after the deadline and seeing a whole new squad of young players and expiring contracts. Buts its all dependent on how creative Cho is, He;s a money calculator/stats man so I hope he can play with our roster to make us productive and young without diggin another hole.
We could trade Maggette and Tyrus to a contender for picks at the deadline with ease.
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
Well this why I kinda wanna trade Tyrus for either Blatcher or Bass. Its easier to move them over Tyrus bc of the skills. Tyrus’ production comes mainly from his athleticism. But with Blatche you get a rebounder and midrange shooter with great footwork. Some team like Bos would love to have Blatche at the helm after KG is done. Or someone like Bass who is the same as Blatche, just not as dynamic a scorer. Bass coming in in Den or CLE if their rookies dont work. They are alot easier to trade than Tyrus. But Wash is pretty much done rebuilding and now just in developing mode. So its easier to trade Blatche, Tyrus fits right in with McGee, Vesley and Singleton. Tyrus fits with Howard also. And if they lose Howard, they have Thomas going forward, which is better to have than Bass for rebuilding. As far as Maggette, I can only see him being moved for Kaman, Cole Aldrich/Nate (Imagine Corey coming in behind Durant. Which is what the Thunder is missing). Maybe Okur.
You think?
We barely got anything of note for Gerald Freaking Wallace.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 11, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
two first rd draft picks and a expiring contract. I’d just be happy with an expiring contract or a late first rd pick. The difference with Portland is they had an extra pick to spare and with the team they have, a draft pick is pretty useless to them. So they could afford to give us some. THey wont be a lottery team for quite some time. If we can trade Tyrus for Posey and Maggette for Kaman, I’d be happy. I just want their contracts off the books.
True
But we don’t necessarily want anything for most of those guys. We just want rid of their contracts.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Aug 12, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I was just browsing through some old threads to kill time, and thought these comments from ME
may interest you Focus………
Drafting Henderson was a mistake It’s amazing how the presence of Ronald Murray and the trade for Stephen Jackson has made the drafting of Gerald Henderson completely irrelevant to the team’s success this year. We wouldn’t be in the position of having to trade for a good post player if we had just drafted Dajuan Blair, who was still on the board. Several teams missed an opportunity to draft a terrific player by missing out on him.
Again, that’s me saying that. I’ve changed my mind on the guy entirely.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 8, 2011 3:28 PM EDT reply actions
Here's another........
Not Too Much I think if you look at how the lottery pans out, once you’re out the top 8 or 9 range, you’re probably really not going to get anything more than a role player, unless you just happen to discover a diamond in the rough. Blair’s success in college should’ve been enough to convince teams that he is worth, at the least, a contribution to the team. I don’t see Gerald Henderson ever playing significant minutes for any one in the league at this point in his career. I think the Bobcats were more content with thinking Radmonovic would end up as a big part of the rotation, rather than thinking Henderson was going to be an impact player.
I was under the Larry Brown spell.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 8, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Another comment from me............
I never said Henderson was a bad player. But he is what he is. I call him dahntay Jones 2.0. I think the bobcats were trying to address their lack of guards on the roster while dismissing their need for scoring and rebounding. Henderson doesn’t do either.
See Focus, it has nothing to do with being a homer. I promise you I used to feel the same exact way you did about the guy. But like I say, his play changed my opinion entirely on him. I trust he’ll do enough to win you over one day as well. Here’s the link for the full discussion……………. http://www.rufusonfire.com/2010/2/10/1304147/rasheed-wallace-to-charlotte#30601848 .
That will be my last to responding about Hendo’s potential. It’s been fun though.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 8, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok ok, last one. And I just had to post this one because I mentioned your boy........
all things considered Henderson wasn’t a bad pick at all. I knew we needed more bodies at sg, it was probably either going to be him or terrance Williams. Its more about how I felt Blair would turn out rather than by how Gerald wouldn’t turn out. But, no need living in the past. Henderson is a cat now, and I hope he and Blair both have long, productive careers.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 8, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
These all are ME to the T. I wanted Blair or Williams. Larry and MJ wanted Williams also. But it didnt turn our thtat way. But the only difference was that I was glad to have Hendo. It didnt bother me. He was doing well in summer league and all that. Then I realized that he cant shoot or really handle the ball that well. And if he was a SF, it wouldnt bother me. But he’s a SG and my fandom started to deteriorate. Then I say how T-Will was making all these highlights and doing his think in NJ and how Blair looked like a double-double machine and all hope was lost.
Well, like I say, we were once in the same boat,
so don’t take me as thinking Hendo can be good and take that as me being a homer. I honestly still thought he was pretty garbage until Silas was brought in. His game transitioned a lot better to the pro’s than I ever imagined it would.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 8, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
FTW
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by andrewlail76 on Aug 8, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
What do you guys think about getting either Wes Johnson, Michael Beasley, Derrick Williams, or even Martell Webster from the Wolves?
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
sure
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by andrewlail76 on Aug 11, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
It would certainly depend on what they wanted.
Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 11, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Wes would be pretty easy to get. I could see Khan biting on Tyrus for Wes.
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
I would love to have any of those guys. Wes is my first choice but they are moving ahead with him I think. Webster would be good. That all depends on what they do with Beasley. I think Khan has a soft spot for the guy. The cool thing about Minny is they have 3 guys that I wouldnt mind being apart of our squad. I like Martell too. He reminds me alot of Jax, skillwise. I still dont see them biting on Tyrus. Maybe Diaw for Webster and Ellington. I think the best way to move Tyrus would be a 3 team deal. But after looking at possible deals, I can only see Blatche/Crawford for Tyrus/Augustin…Bass/QRich for Tyrus
Blatche can put points on the board until you got it, the deadline. I know you can get a pick for Blatche. Crawford is just a good player to have to grow with going forward. Bass is a player that can stop the bleeding from Tyrus contract and can be a “last” ditch effort player to keep Dwight. If Dwight does still decide to move, its better to go forward with Tyrus than Bass. I think Bass could be pretty good here bc he doesnt have to play out of character. He can do what Bass does best and thats score in the 14ft range instead of being expected to be Rashard Lewis. He can also be moved at the deadline if Jujuan Johnson, Tristan Thompson, Derrick Will/Beasley dont work out. And Qrich well is Qrich but he is easy to move to a contender making that final playoff stretch. Or secretly to get T-Will or Mayo.
What about Pachulia as a backup?
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
Or a starter
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
I wouldnt mind. He’s under 30, and has experience as a starter for a consistent playoff team, If he’s a starter it must be short term. I’d rather have him as a backup.
I’ve heard the Wizards may have been interested as well and seeing as they are almost done rebuilding, we could probably steal a pick in exchange for Tyrus, as he could be the final piece.
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
We’d probably have to take sumthn back. I’m thinking Blatche. If not, I’d gladly take Crawford and a pick…
I'd love to have Blatche. He'd flourish in the right environment.
Crawford and a pick would be great as well. However, I don’t see the Wizards giving up that much for Tyrus at this point in his career. He’ll have to have another strong start once the season begins to get his trade value back up.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 18, 2011 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Tiago is the "Center" going forward
What does this mean to us? SA needs the PF of the future. Blair is great actually but I think they need just a little bit more scoring at that position. Enter Tyrus. We get McDyess’ expiring contract and James Anderson…I cant see any drawbacks to this one at all. Biyombo could be included if we get Blair. I know abt the “upside” factor blah blah but Blair is young and a proven choice and I’ll take what he does now over what Biyombo MAY become. But anyway, Tyrus could def be the PF of the future. OR as I mentioned in earlier post, try to move Tyrus for Bass OR Blatche and it would be WAY easier to move them at the deadline. Blatche on SAS will give a chance at at least 1 more legitimate run. But we have to jump first and keep Was from making the deal…
Sorry computer is messing up
But we are not trading Biyombo i know you hate him for no reason but if you think we are trading him then you you need to get yourself checked out. I know in your perfect world him and Hendo would be gone but its the real world sorry. You dont trade a talented rookie for a undersized PF with no knees in Blair.
No one said “trade Biyombo for Blair”. I said trade Thomas for McDyess and James Anderson. Its realistic. We need some cap space.And we get a decent “backup”. If we could get Blair and McDyess’ expiring for Tyrus and Biyombo then HELL YEAH I’d do it in a heartbeat. I dont see how all of a sudden Blair is and “injury prone undersized PF with no knees”. Blair is a 6’8 PF who avg 8+ppg and 7rebs in 21mins for a CONTENDER and played in 81 games. STOP. Sounds more like you are describing Tyrus. "Injury prone PF with no knees. 10ppg 5rebs in 41games. Last time I checked Biyombo is UNDERSIZED too. 6’9 “Center” who weighs 8lbs more than the “new JAX” that LOST 20lbs. Seems undersized to me. I’d rather have McDyess 5ppg and 5rebs/expiring 6mil + Blair’s 8ppg and 7rebs/ not even a mil contract over Tyrus’ 34mil and the “ageless” bag of “potential”…
Its funny
How you take such offense to my comments but im not the only one telling you its a bad idea yet im the one you take your shitty shot at. Stop hating on me I did nothing but give my opinion im sorry your trade is stupid. Yeah thats right im gonna just start treating you like shit. That trade would not make us better at all and if you hate losing so much then switch teams because your goingt o have to deal with it for a season or two. So stop complaining when there is nothing realistic that would make us better. Even if the trade did make us better which it wont it would not make us a playoff team. Im so sorry if I think are brand new player has a high ceiling and you want to trade him for one old guy a scrub and a solid back up, yeah im the stupid one. Biyomo and Hendo have potential if they suck then trade them until then why do it when it does not help?
Emo.
Anyway, we aren’t that good. And NO the trade wouldn’t make us BETTER. It would however open up an extra 7mil in capspace. Gives us a decent backup 2 and opens up room for Biyombo to get PT THIS SEASON. He won’t see much floor with Diaw and Tyrus. Moving Tyrus and with Diaw exp contract, Biyombo and White will see floor time. But if we can get a player like Blair, yep I’d include BB in a second. Blair is a near double double machine and he PLAYS. And no you dont get worse treatment than any other poster but for some reason u think everything proposed is supposed to make us a SUPERTEAM. Some trades are to clear cap space. Then u whine about players “sucking” when they have the same if not better stats of our players. I have never been disrespectful. U just read my post and imagine me yelling. I have yet to use a curse word. Maybe said damn once or twice. And I have never used the word stupid or dumb when speaking on someone’s ideas. NEVER. But I will say this: you are too emotional. LBHater v2
The years on Blair's career are ticking away and he isn't that good defensively.
Although he’s a decent player, I wouldn’t entertain trading Bismack until we see what he can do. Just makes no sense at all to lose that much value in a trade.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 18, 2011 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Wait, so are you saying there are players who are NOT getting older?
Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 20, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
The dead ones
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by andrewlail76 on Aug 20, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Not at all.
But when you have knees like Blair does, that “getting older” speeds up exponentially.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 21, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Emo? Do you even know what that means?
Anyway your disrespectful because your arrogant. LBHater v2? You were hating on me, treat others how you want to be treated. TSHater
I cant beleive you
I was just giving you my opinion on your trade like everyone else and you go on your period and freak out on me and get mad about it and accuse me of thinking all are players are better then everyone. And you probably dont think you did anything wrong. Also how am i emotional? I defend my opinion just like you if anything you more emotional then me becuase you defend yours way worse then me. So your pretty much trying to insult me for something you do as well. Your the one treating me bad.
I dont hate Biyombo. I just hate losing. And I dont normally take shots but Im glad you werent a fan when we had Tamar Slay and Robinson bc you seem to think everyone on our team is lightyears ahead of the other nba players.
That was a shot?
Actually I just know which players are good and are not and which players you should and should not trade, unlike you. So nice one. I dont think are players are lightyears away I just dont think Bismack and Hendo are shit like you. So now your the one insulting other people for there opinions way to go. You shouldnt even try your shit with me.
Henderson is far from a player you SHOULDNT trade. We dont have any of those and if we did have one its Augustin by a landslide. Kobe and Wade are players you SHOULDNT trade. Not anyone on our squad.
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LOL
Get those shots in there….
I just wish they could get focus in as a talent scout for the Bobcats…
Hire this guy. He already knows that 1 year on the bench and half a year playing with knee tendonitis and a birth defect that Hendo is absolutely tradeable and not worth keeping. No point in waiting one more year with a new playbook, with plays designed for him, playing healthy, and playing under a coach that has faith in him to see how it would pan out. Better to unload him than to keep him on a cheapish ($2.25 mil per for 2 years) contract.
SMH
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by andrewlail76 on Aug 18, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope, but I guarantee we would have had a better team (realistic) than what we have now. If Silas ran a uptempo offense then I would have grabbed Thompson or Hamilton. Every uptempo team has plenty of shooters and playmakers. I would have Kemba but I would also have Dragic. Others I would have to think about but I guarantee I would have a better squad. But no I wouldnt have Hendo. Thats for sure. He isnt a shooter nor is he a playmaker. You dont have to play a million years to know that someone isnt a fit for a certain type of offense.
I agree, to be an effective player in an up-tempo offense you must have shooting ability and the ability to create your own shot.
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
Being an up-tempo team
doesn’t automatically mean being the Suns or Warriors though Focus. It just means playing at a faster pace than we did under Larry Brown, which pretty much every team in the league does anyway.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 20, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
so who wanted Hendo?
LB who benched him, MJ, or Higgins?
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by andrewlail76 on Aug 20, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Gerald Wallace doesn't do either better than Henderson.
Yet he has been a 20 PPG player for long stretches of his career.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 20, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wallace doesn’t do what better than Hendo? Make plays or shoot? Stop. Yes he does. And Wallace will never avg 20ppg on the Blazers or any western conf playoff team. Wallace is good for 15ppg at the most. If he’s a leading scorer on your team, guess what? You’ll be rebuilding soon. I’m a huge Wallace supporter but lets be serious. At times he goes off every now and then but I and the FO know he shouldn’t be the leading scorer
Wallace shoots .330 percent from 3 for his career.
Henderson shoots .200 percent. Wallace is definitely a better shooter.
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
Henderson has barely even got the chance to do anything though.
Wallace improved his shooting over the years, that’s the whole point. Anyone saying that a shot can’t be developed is just extremely impatient. When Crash first got here, I cringed every time he took a three point shot or any jump shot for that matter. I already have a trust in Henderson’s mid range game, something it took me years to develop trust in Wallace with.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 21, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t trade Bismack for an injury-prone, undersized big man at this point in time. It could very well become a move the Bobcats regret.
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
how can you regret paying Dejuan Blair (do you guys watch basketball) 900k for the next two seasons and eliminating your most binding contract for an expiring. Its a “no lose”…Can someone please explain how this is in anyway a bad move for CLT. The worst that can happen is Biyombo and Tyrus are “good” on another team. We dont get suck with bad contracts like the chandler trade or lose a franchise player like the Wallace trade. Even if McDyess and Blair suck, their contacts will be gone at the end of the season. I’ll go as far as to say, if Cleveland or Houston gave us just a 1st rd pick, I would trade Biyombo straight up. Im dead serious.
I’m simply saying I would rather have Biyombo than Blair. In high school, Blair missed nearly two seasons. That’s all I mean by injury prone. Also, I agree that I would trade Biyombo for a pick, as long as it is a high first-rounder and not a late one. If we have the option for Biyombo or the 9th pick in next year’s stacked draft, I’d take the pick.
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
Diop is still by far our most binding contract.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 15, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
nope
After this season, we have one more. He’s more of an elephant in the room. Tyrus on the other hand is 4more yrs. We have a logjam at PF. And since Diaw is exp he’s not a big problem. If Tyrus can’t get his act together or he gets injured again, then he’ll be way worse of a situation than Diop. Not to mention his contract is way too big for anything he has EVER done. So if we dont move him for Blatche, Bass, Odom or McDyess asap, we might be forced to deal with it.
No one is trading for Diop right now.
There is still a market for Tyrus. Yes he’s overpaid, yes he’s immature, but he’s young and has the tools to be a difference maker in the NBA. Diop has none of those things going for him. He’ll become a trade piece next year, but right now, no one is touching him unless it’s to take on a horrendous contract like Gilbert Arenas’ or something. Damn sure not doing that.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 18, 2011 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions
He's married...
I’m curious to see if he’s truly done as stated in his newspaper interview and watched tape of himself, and if getting married has matured him at all.
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by andrewlail76 on Aug 18, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
IF not...we move him near trade deadline if there is a season.
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by andrewlail76 on Aug 18, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
If we could get Blair for Diaw it would be a different story.
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
No chance.
Contracts don’t come close to working.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 15, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Throw in Diop?
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
You're going the wrong direction
We would have to take back more money, not give more away.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Aug 16, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
if Biyombo and Tyrus turn out to be good then it is a really bad trade. Especially getting rid of Biyombo because he is gonna be playing on a cheap deal for the next 3 or 4 years. While if Blair turns out good you are gonna have to pay the man and that gets real scary the older he gets due to his knees being damn near bone on bone.
I like Blair a lot and I did think some times Pop pulled him out of games to quick but he isn’t good on defense at all. I mean he gets steals every now and then but he takes to many risks and when playing against talented big guys he gets killed. If he could just figure out how to use his size on defense without fouling he would be a whole lot better of a player
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by gunnin' gervin on Aug 15, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL.
The Spurs do like Tyrus but I don’t know if they like him with that contract he has. Not to mention trading a young cheap James Anderson.
They drafted Ryan Richards from England last year and Davis Bertans from Latvia this year.
Richards who turned 20 this year, has been playing well for GB in the under 20 tournament and is also playing well for the senior squad while trying to gain a spot. He is a 7’1" power forward who can shoot and handle the ball while being a pretty physical guy.
Bertans is a tweener who if he fills out might be able to play power forward and is a great shooter to be 6’10’.
I’m not knocking your trade idea but if Tyrus came a little cheaper then I could see the the Spurs maybe trying to take a shot at him but with his deal and having to give up what you proposed I don’t think the team would do it. Not to mention as great as Blair is at rebounding he is just as bad on defense. I like Blair a lot but unless he figures it out on defense and adds a jumper or some type of post move on offense he is just gonna be a solid back up.
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by gunnin' gervin on Aug 15, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
thing about it is the spurs arent looking too deep into the price range. They are looking for a solution to their closing window. Im sure they are looking at all options to get just ONE more championship with their Big 3. Tyrus is probably the best possible solution other than Blatche. With those two options, they can give up McDyess and a late pick and have the extra push they need to get one more championship. Plus both guys are young although Blatche is way more productive. This is why I would move Tyrus NOW bc Blatche would be alot easier to move at the deadline. He may have an attitude problem but you cant deny what he does on the court.
I was looking through old posts and I started thinking
It’s so weird to think about where we were last year this time and then look at the present situation. Over half of the team is gone, we have a new coach, we’re in lockout, and we lost 4 of our best players.
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
Lol. The effects of rebuilding are drastic indeed.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 15, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
No Raymond, no Tyson, no Gerald, no Stephen, no Larry, no Nazr, no Shaun. Boris is the only starter left from that playoff team.
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
And Boris was actually the one I wanted gone first.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Aug 18, 2011 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions

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