If you were rich cho?

You made the argument that JT is preferable to Tyrus Thomas in part because JT is more capable of playing the 5. Tyrus Thomas stats per 82games 2010-2011 season:

PF PER = 17.6
C PER = 19.7

Opponent PER while playing PF = 23.5
Opponent PER while playing C = 14.1

That’s a net PER of -5.9 while Tyrus is playing the PF and a net PER of +5.6 while playing the C. Also, Tyrus spent more time playing C than he did playing PF last season.

I have to say that I’m surprised by this, as I agree with you in theory that Tyrus is more of a 4 than a 5. Looks like he’s more capable than we’re giving him credit. These numbers should be viewed in the context of an abbreviated season, but he played more than a few games and the difference is pretty striking.

I’m sincerely trying to hear what you’re saying, but I just can’t understand why we should want to trade Tyrus Thomas for Jason Thompson.

Finally, Look at JT’s net PER by position last season. Yes he did have a better individual PER during his relatively few minutes at the C, but he seriously got owned on defense at the same time. Net PER at PF = -.4. Net PER at C = -2.0. He did play only a few minutes, so maybe he got thrown to the wolves against superior offensive centers, but I can’t help but think that everything is coming up Tyrus at this point.

I’m just not sure I understand why. Unless there’s some untapped potential you see in JT, there’s no evidence that he’s a significantly better offensive player than Tyrus. JT has never had a PER at or above league average. Since being in Charlotte, Tyrus’ PER has been 17.1 his first year and 18.2 his second. JT’s had a better fg%, but not by a huge margin. Tyrus has show that he scores more per 36. Partly by taking a couple more shots but also by shooting more FTs at a better %. Their rebounding numbers are almost identical, even if you break it down from offensive and defensive rebounds. Tyrus is a vastly better defender, and at worst an equal talent on offense. In my opinion, we’d be getting robbed to make that trade.

I’m working under the assumption that I’m missing something or that we’re talking about different players. Look at their respective pages on basketball reference. I think the numbers favor Tyrus. Please feel free to convince me otherwise, but I respectfully disagree.

As far as positional needs, I think Kwame, Biyombo, and (sigh) Diop will cover our needs for next season at least. You’re right that Biyombo is likely better suited to play PF at this point in his career, but keep in mind that the legit NBA center is a dying breed. Other teams will go small, and we’ll be able to match up when they do. The rest of the time…well, we all knew this was going to be a lean year.

I didn’t notice the added 1st round pick in your proposal to trade D.J. away. I stand by my statement that Kemba needs some time to prove himself before we trade Deej, but I admit that getting a first rounder and a useful defender may not be a bad idea in the future.

I personally wouldn’t advocate taking on the salaries of Redick or Thornton. I didn’t bring up the Thornton/Redick comparison to say that we should bring in one player in favor of the other, but to illustrate that bringing in a guy like Redick runs counter to team needs/rebuilding philosophy at this point. Solid scorers on the wings are always going to be available in some way, shape, or fashion. Let’s get our ducks in a row before we start picking up complimentary rotation guys for 6 mil a year. Way pay J.J. 12 mil over the next two seasons when we suck with or without him. Go after a comparable player in a couple of years, fill out the roster with minimum salary in the mean time and Cho can pat himself on the back for being a smart shopper.

while Tyrus has all the potential in the world, his value isnt as high as we’d like to think. Its still good but by no means is it high. Im not tryn to build a superteam. Im still trying to keep in with the theme of rebuilding. Tyrus contract isnt one that fits the rebuilding mold. And he did do some good when he played but he hardly ever played. In this trade we get young players. Drop the realistic contracts. It would be nice to move Diop and Carroll but its also almost impossible unless WE include a pick. And I dont wanna do that. This sets us up for at least a 18th pick. But also we have many pieces to move for a mid to later pick in the 1st rd. Most drafts arent as top heavy as this year’s so its not gonna be a bad thing not to be in the lottery. They also would fit in an uptempo offense moreso than Diaw and Thomas (super injury prone)…

You stuck your head up and it got cut off. I know it sounds like I’m being a jerk, but I’m just not understanding why people want want to make a bunch of arbitrary changes. It’s kind of unreasonable to say I haven’t put my own views out there though. In fact, I’ve made my views quite clear. You need only look above friend. :)

For the sake of argument, I’ll join the game.

1) As Rich notice, I have a talk with Tyrus Thomas. I notice that he’s got the longest deal on the team, and I tell him that his talent warrants every year and every penny. I explain to him that he has an opportunity to be a leader on this young team, and he could finally end up an allstar if gets his head on straight. He an Biyombo have a chance to make the best defensive front court in the league. I express faith in him, and tell him that I’m not looking to trade him just for the sake of change.

2) I sign Kwame Brown to a two year deal totally about 3-4 mil. (not per season but total). I tell Kwame that he impressed the hell out of everyone last year, and I let him know that we need him to play a big role on this team.

3) I round out the last two roster with minimum salary guys with interesting potential. Who knows? I may find a player that sticks around. I take a look at Ajinca because I know what skills he brings on offense, but will ultimately bring in the two best players I can find to take low level contracts.

4) I keep my eyes and ears open around the league for trades, but I let it be known that Charlotte is happy to build through the draft for the next two seasons, and we’re not interested in taking on more salary unless we get some serious talent along with the deal. I also let it be known that I’m going to want draft picks if giving up players of consequence (i.e. D.J. Augustin)

5) For all the middle-level wing scorers looking for a contract this season, I wait around to see if any go unsigned and get desperate to take less money. If so, we open up negotiations. If not, I take solace in the fact that I’m trying to develop the talent already on the team while looking towards the draft.

There you go gentlemen. It ain’t the hottest fantasy out there. It doesn’t give you a bunch of new toys to play with in the ESPN trade machine, but it’s my vision of the best way to handle the franchise right now. I know, I know, it’s kind of like “rosterbating” while looking at a picture of your wife, but change just for the sake of change while taking on more salary just doesn’t make too much sense to me right now.

He don’t take no junk from no fools!

Why would Cho trade Biyombo right after he worked so hard to get him?

Hendo wont be a future star. Dahntay Jones – 3pt Shooting + Fan Support = Hendo

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Instead of 5-7mil a year for Smith, we get the same skillset for 950k (Wafer)…I just read Wafer is interested in playing for a team where he can get regular minutes. Who else other than us or the Knicks? We could use 6’5 220lbs 3pt shooter off the bench. Instead of spending 4-6mil on Battier, you can get a similar player (age, skillset, superb defense) for 1-2mil (if that) in Maurice Evans who is also the exact same size but more built than Wafer. But he’s a SF. He’s a crafty vet, can shoot the 3, fly out of the gym and would be good to have Wafer, Augustin, Biyombo, Evans coming off the bench together.

What Im doing is naming the “star” “B Level” players…then naming the cheaper under the radar players that pretty much bring the same thing to the table…(Amp Parker could easily be substituted for Mo Evans. I’d just rather have Mo bc he’s younger and can hit the 3 slightly better)

He is. U are right. He’s very good. But I have to disagree with u abt it being a terrible team. The good teams are the ones that should be looked at here. Teams that would much rather have a proven 14 & 6 pg than a late first rd pick. A rebuilding team on the other hand can use a late first order for leverage. We can use that pick to get a decent player from a “middle of the road” team or struggling squad. It can be packaged to move Carroll or Maggette (if he isn’t gone already). Or with the draft being so deep, who knows what will be left late in the first.

They wouldnt have to play Wall super long minutes with DJ backing him up. BUT…Jordan Crawford is a excellent passer and scorer and can play both guard positions. They probably wont need DJ if they use Crawford right. But he would def be the best player on our team.

They actually have a trade extension to help out with Tyrus contract. If we could get Jordan Hamilton, I wouldnt be opposed to taking Harrington