Farewell, Stephen Jackson and Shaun Livingston
With the culmination of this season complete, the Bobcats have bid farewell to the two largest parts of their roster from the playoff season that finished barely a little more than a year ago: Gerald Wallace and Stephen Jackson.
Gerald Wallace was the hometown favorite, hardworking, played his heart out - just an electrifying talent.
And he was also a bit more stoic. Not stoic enough to turn off fans by being un-relatable, but for much of his time in Charlotte, he didn't fully express himself.
Stephen Jackson on the other hand, wears his emotions on his sleeve. And then he rips of his sleeves and throws them at the referees when he doesn't get a foul call on offense.
His anger and frustration on the court often had immediate and significant impact on the court, which doesn't exactly enchant the fans. Technical fouls, standing near the basket while the opponents sprinted down the floor for a fast break, you name it. Jack wasn't luring any fans during a massively disappointing season with his antics that had losing implications.
But to simply dismiss him as having a losing attitude is oversimplification. We all know his negatives on the court: he has the tendency to halt ball movement when the rock hits his hands; he has poor shot selection; he often takes too many shots; his emotions often take over, in a bad way.
But when a team like ours struggles through a season like they did, it's not exactly in vogue to focus on anything but the negatives and where everyone needs to improve. This leaves most of the fanbase loathing players like Stephen Jackson, who doesn't react exceptionally well to consistent defeat.
People far too often forget or willingly ignore Jack's positive characteristics. He's an incredibly versatile player as a nightly scoring threat and an intelligent defensive player, and above all, he's a fantastic teammate.
That may seem like a confusing statement considering the aforementioned taking plays off, taking too many shots, etc. And yet, it's undeniably true. There aren't many other players in the league that you'd want to back you or your teammates.
"HA, YEAH LOLZ LIKE IN THE BRAWL IN DETROIT, HUR HURRR," you may say.
Don't be so simpleminded and brashly judgmental, says I. Stephen Jackson had a tough childhood, seeing his brother die when Jack was just a young adolescent. With such a tragedy in his formative years, I would think it hardly a stretch that the close bonds formed in locker rooms and on basketball courts become extremely close to brotherly relationships to Jackson, and most athletes. "You can't tell me seeing his brother die that way hasn't had an effect. To me, it's why he is always coming to the help of his teammates," Donnie Walsh once said of Stephen. That's not to say the fighting in Detroit is completely justified or his firing a gun outside of a strip club. They're not. There's fault on either side, but the uninformed public still use only one side as cause to loathe him and shower him with unfair generalizations. Further, to give Jackson the connotation as a thug or violent is incorrect. He's a protective teammate who may be a little misguided in how to actually protect his teammates.
On the basketball side of things, Jackson is often more of an enigma. Just as easily as he can drop a 17-27 for 40 points, Stephen could founder, struggling to right his shot for a whole game, ending with 4-18 for 11 points. They say one of the best things for a shooter is a short memory, and Jackson certainly employs that mindset. But on nights when his shot just isn't finding the bottom of the net, he may try to force it, which makes the offense much easier to defend and digs the team further into a deepening hole. This problem was most evident in his past season for the Bobcats when he basically became the sole scoring threat and tried to take scoring on his shoulders every night, which just isn't feasible.
And as I had noted, Jack has an absolutely magnetic personality. He could entertain a signpost if needed. If you ever got a chance to meet him or see him interact with kids or any part of the public, you can probably testify to his ability to get along with anyone and make an impression on their life. Goodbye, Stack Jack aka Captain Jack. You shall be missed.
The other player who leaves us is Shaun Livingston. I think most Bobcats fans were unsure about his signing since he hasn't been a prominent player since his pre-injury days as a Clipper. I was ecstatic about his arrival, shoring up the backcourt defense and adding some versatility to the offensive side of the Bobcats.
Outside of myself and a few others, I don't think there were many fans who were so enamored with Shaun from the get-go. On the Bobcats' Facebook page (which is both depressing and hilarious simultaneously), I remember seeing someone urge the Bobcats to put Sherron Collins above Livingston in playing time.
As the season wore on, Livingston shook the rust off and became an impressive point guard off the bench. It wasn't hard to see why he started for the Wizards at the end of last season and how he earned his way back into the league with significant playing time after at one point having to face the possibility that he might have to have part of his leg amputated. With a unique and fluid offensive style, I don't know how people didn't like Shaun.
He's not the fastest guy on the floor, but his court vision is extraordinary. I can just picture him striding up the court, using a hesitation stutter-step at the three-point line, and then he drives to the paint - but no one knows what's next. Perhaps just as sudden as the drive, he stops, pulls up for the jump shot and elevates, now much higher than his defender, releasing the ball and snapping his wrist. The ball doesn't have much arc, but it doesn't need to be rainbow due to his elevation over the defender. It kisses the back iron inside the hoop and drops straight down. Or maybe he continues driving and maneuvers around the defender for a slick layup. The possibilities go on and on: threading the needle with a pass to the big man trailing, seamlessly moving into post moves in the paint before spinning around the opponent, etc. As I said before, Shaun's offense just has a very smooth, fluid nature and even though he's starting and stopping, he's not being jagged or rough with his moves.
He maintained an effortless essence of cool that reminded me of Walt "Clyde" Frazier. In Clyde's book he often speaks about how to be cool, which could also describe Livingston. His emotions are always under control, no matter whether if someone intentionally and maliciously fouled him or if he knocked down a big shot. He is an utter pro. I mean, how many guys can dunk through traffic, get shoved by LeBron James afterward and then shrug it off completely while getting back on defense? Farewell, Knee Man. We'll miss you a lot.
Best of luck to both Stephen Jackson and Shaun Livingston in Milwaukee and wherever else they may go.
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Why so Kneerious?
I’m really gonna miss him. Great pro.
Jack pissed
I’ve heard a few rumors that Jack was pissed about being traded to Milwaukee. Has anyone heard any details or comments from Jack?
And despite his flaws and the absolute necessity to trade him given our current circumstances, part of me will miss him. He cares about the fans, liked the team and city, and played his tail off every night. Best of luck Cap’n Jack.
My heart pumps no Kool-Aid
by Bring Back Primoz on Jun 25, 2011 5:48 PM EDT reply actions
Bogut tweeted last night
That Jackson being pissed about playing there was untrue. Jackson is pissed about HOW deceptive OUR front office was about it. He learned about the trade when most of us did. Same way they did Wallace. Remember all those “Jackson will be looked at as the leader. He lost 20lbs and doing well in the leap test interviews”? Then this happens. To the defense of the FO knowing we are in a vulnerable state, has to keep moves underwraps as not to be undercut by teams with more resources. Jackson (the best Bobcat ever) will be missed…
Jax
has been in the NBA long enough to know how draft trades work. There isn’t anywhere near enough time for managers to call agents or even the players directly until after the fact. Every year you hear about some player being “stunned” about finding out they were traded on draft day and weren’t given any kind of warning. It’s the life of the NBA. Veterans deal with it.
One of the many reasons I won’t miss Stephen Jackson.
It is a weird combination
Both Wallace and Jack have sort of inferred they loved being here and wanted to stay ……… and at the same time cussed the FO for how they handled the trades.
My heart pumps no Kool-Aid
by Bring Back Primoz on Jun 25, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I kinda thought the same thing
Love the company, hate the management…
Bobcats Basketball is my only pro sports passion...
by andrewlail76 on Jun 25, 2011 8:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Jackson the "best bobcat ever" ????? Ummm No.
That Honor still belongs to Crash.
"Facts are stubborn, but statistics are more pliable"-Mark Twain
by griffter10 on Jun 25, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wallace is my favorite Bobcat
But JAX has accomplished more for us in such a short time. First triple dub, lead us to our first playoff appearance, arguably shouldve been the all-star the year wallace went and this season too actually. Set the record for our most points in a game. I cant take what he accomplished for the franchise away from him. Im sure he’s close to our all-time leading scorer in two seasons. I think that Wallace still has that.
All-time scoring:
1. Wallace 7,437
2. Felton 5,311
3. Okafor 4,630
4. Carroll 2,781
5. Jackson 2,758
Lemonade was a popular drink and it still is,
I get more props and stunts than Bruce Willis
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by Ben Swanson on Jun 26, 2011 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That list really doesn't say much other than Wallace has been here longer.
Duh!
I really don’t care who we call the best Bobcat ever since both Jax and Wallace were great players while on the team.
by Basketball Rambler on Jun 26, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Na He sucks
He lost you guys all you playoff games 2 seasons ago.
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Jun 26, 2011 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you have any source on this, focuslja?
Or are you just making baseless speculation on how Jack heard about the trade? I have a very low tolerance when it comes to acting like speculation is fact.
Lemonade was a popular drink and it still is,
I get more props and stunts than Bruce Willis
- Guru, of Gangstarr
the parts about
jackson being upset about being traded are true, as well as Bogut’s tweets and the Buck’s front offices squashing that rumor
this was the first i personally had heard about him being upset about how the trade was handled
it could be true, it sounds like Jax (he’s been upset over trades twice already in his career), but considering how quickly the Bucks’ FO went out of their way to say that Jax is a professional and we’ll be fine, I doubt it’s true, that would be wickidly dumb on Jax’s part
I'm talking about "He learned about the trade when most of us did."
Sounds like reckless disregard for the truth, if I may use lawyer-speak.
Lemonade was a popular drink and it still is,
I get more props and stunts than Bruce Willis
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I'd have to agree with Ben.
I’m not denying that it happened, but I’d like a source before adhering to such a claim.
Bro, I have Twitter and stuff.
by Joshua Priemski on Jun 25, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Well according to Bonnell
The deal that set up these picks was finalized Thursday afternoon, but couldn’t be formally announced until the end of the first round, under NBA rules. Jackson leaves for the Milwaukee Bucks, along with backup point guard Shaun Livingston. The Bobcats gave up the 19th overall pick, and also took back Bucks small forward Corey Maggette, a one-time Duke star.
“He loved it here in Charlotte, so he was disappointed’’ to be traded, said Bobcats president of basketball operations Rod Higgins. "But he understands the business, he’s a pro. He will suit up wherever he goes.’’
Trade talks with the 3 teams began that monday. But the pieces werent set in place until right before the draft. Ric Bucher even said on ESPN (during the draft) that JAX was not happy about it. Leading me to believe he wouldnt still be upset on draft day if he knew days or weeks before…
Cool how you speculate and pretend it's fact.
Lemonade was a popular drink and it still is,
I get more props and stunts than Bruce Willis
- Guru, of Gangstarr
only unwanted players like Diaw
are told that they are being shopped around the league. This is the way of a pro athlete’s life, when you’re young great and cheap management loves you. When you’re getting older presumably make too much money, they don’t want you around unless you’re winning championships. As a fan I usually side with the athlete’s, their career’s are short, when management no longer wants them they discard them for new one’s. Jax was probably upset about being moved because he liked it here, but he knew it could happen any time.
ezrock
If I was making as much money as a pro basketball player
I may get a little pissed for being treated that way Jax was treated, I’d get over it real quick though.
by Basketball Rambler on Jun 26, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
why do bobcats keep doing this to their best players? they should be more open with them if they are going to trade them
by jadedeed2327 on Jun 25, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I really feel like
They were leaving the option of trading jax on the draft night but were waiting for the best scenario to pull the trigger…and we happened to be in a great position to pick up a promising big fella. I think if kemba and knight went earlier in the draft, we might not have done the trade…but that’s just me.
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please stop this jumping to conclusions. Until focuslja can back up what he said with facts as far as how Jack heard about the trade, there is no reason to believe that this is how the Bobcats work
Lemonade was a popular drink and it still is,
I get more props and stunts than Bruce Willis
- Guru, of Gangstarr
by Ben Swanson on Jun 25, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
id like to hear the story if jackson is angry too
i would trade dj and diaw and start from there, do a total rebuild of team, even tyrus if he could be traded
by jadedeed2327 on Jun 25, 2011 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
The Bobcats have been open with the team
Basically they have announced that every player on the team could be traded to make this team better. No one is off limits.
I’ll miss JAX. The guy wanted to win every game night in and night out. He wasn’t out there to collect a paycheck. However, if we went into next season and the one after that with the same roster (JAX & GW) with a little more age and add a couple of draft picks, we would end up with the same record. I want to win.
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Jun 26, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
This team just lost it's personality
Unless Kemba comes out the gate blazing… This team just lost some of it’s attendance. I’m not saying it’s not the best long-term plan. Just gonna really hurt right now. Hopefully MJ doesn’t go under, trying to rebuild.
STEVE SMITH!
no offense but
all the games i went to, the fans seemed more upset when Jackson was “being Jax”
I doubt we’ll lose much attendance.
If we were going to lose attendance...
It would have happened when Crash left.
I’m intrigued to see what Kemba and the biz can do
Bobcats Basketball is my only pro sports passion...
by andrewlail76 on Jun 25, 2011 8:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Judging by the elation of fans at the draft party at the drafting on Kemba I think more people will buy tickets.
College ball rules this area and having a player who tore through the tourney like that will be a draw
by James Dator on Jun 25, 2011 9:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Enough so that MJ is actually pulling a profit?
I mean, the reality is, this isn’t a healthy franchise. It can’t last forever like this… How long is what I’m wondering.
STEVE SMITH!
The new CBA will determine that more than anything
Right now 22/30 teams are losing money. This is why the NBA are so desperately trying to assert their will in CBA negotiations.
Jordan’s pockets are deeper than you think.
Even if they're deep... Nobody likes losing money
But let’s hope the CBA helps us out then. Teams shouldn’t have to worry more about making money than winning.
STEVE SMITH!
I'm not talking about a sudden drop in attendance
Life rarely works that way. But if we can’t entice a Chris Paul or Dwight Howard, then how much of Charlotte is going to sit through 3-4 years of rebuilding through the draft?
And Jordan is NOT making money right now. I’m just wondering how long he can do this.
STEVE SMITH!
i hear they may move the bobcats , is that true?
by jadedeed2327 on Jun 26, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Ive heard that but its a stretch...
I feel like southtunnel. Its ok for a major market like OKC/Seattle to suffer for a few years. But its a totally different story here in Charlotte. Im not saying just make brash additions but the best draw to all fans is winning. I think this season should be the last season that we expect to lose. After that could prove to be damaging. I think we can get younger and cheaper without relying solely on draft picks. There are some decent players in FA that just need the opportunity. Cho made his mark in the draft. They should do the same in FA and now its time for Silas and the coaching staff to make their marks. I think no matter how disasterous the roster looks, we should at least try to win every game we can. Then we could see what we are working with at least.
FYI, Charlotte is a far bigger market than OKC and even slightly larger than Seattle if you include viewing area. (based on top 100 markets)
- The Bobcats have the 37th market in Charlotte, the 43rd market in Greensboro and the 44th in Raleigh. This makes the overall state market size 3.53 million
- The Sonics had the 14th market in Seattle and the 94th in Spokane. This makes the overall state market size 3.51 million
- The Thunder have the 53rd market in OKC and the 65th in Tulsa. This makes the overall state market size 1.65 million.
This makes the Bobcats over double the size of the Thunder’s market
If you count the number of Seattle fans
that still support OKC, does that count?
No
Unless they’re willing to travel halfway across the country to buy tickets or pay for NBA League pass so they can watch a game.
by James Dator on Jun 26, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
If yall feel the same way I do
I gained a whole lot of respect for Jordan after this draft. He meant it when he sent out those messages to the fans about building the best team. It may not happen now but one things for sure. We are not settling for mediocrity.
For me, Kemba and biyombo gives me one thing jax never brought, which is hope..and that is enough for me to come out to the game every night.
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I cant believe that Jax is the number 1 search trend on yahoo right now. Lol.
"Facts are stubborn, but statistics are more pliable"-Mark Twain
Milwaukee just got much better
Far from championship contention… But I’ve always thought they should be better than what their recent record has shown. Maybe Jax will bump them a bit.
STEVE SMITH!
jennings regressed and bogut is always injured, plus they were worst offensive team last year
by jadedeed2327 on Jun 26, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Well of course Jennings
had some disparaging comments about the “desire to win” about some of his teammates. I, IMO, my thoughts always thought it was about the two guys that were traded on draft day. Moreso Maggette. But Im not passing that on as fact. I, me, Focus, just thought it was Corey Maggette. They will be closer to contention in the playoffs this season if not at the 7th spot. And from there, they will be able to guage what they need in FA next season.
uhh
you forgot the biggest reason… no Michael Redd
Micheal Redd's career is over. Don't kid yourself.
He’ll never post numbers like he did in his prime again.
by Panthers FTW on Jun 27, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
didnt mean to imply that he would
just that he was a huge missing piece of the puzzle that could have been a strong Milwaukee team.
They might get the 6th seed and steal one playoff series.
That’s not much of a future.
by Panthers FTW on Jun 26, 2011 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
But at least
they can see what pieces make them even more effective. You have to make the playoffs or at least be close to figure out what is neccessary to continually progress…
Good bye and good luck Capt Jack and Liv
Going to miss Jax Passion, leadership (sometimes), will to win and cold blooded shooting. Not going to miss the black whole on offense, and the “Clunk Step” shot which he loved to take. He had an overall postive impact and I loved watching him play.
Going to miss Liv’s professionalism, work ethic, and the moments on court when he showed glimpses of pre-injury Liv.
I think both of them will leave a positive lasting impression on the players they left behind.
Geelong Cats for Premiers 2011.
Rich Cho - lead us to the promised land!
If I'm not mistaken, that would be the super duper slow motion version of the "jab step."
Cam Newton for '11 ROY!
indeed
the “Clunk Step” is where you give the ball to Jax with 20 secs on the clock, and he then winds it all the way down to 2, all the while doing a slow motion jab step. He then shoots a contested jump shot with a hand in his face.
Geelong Cats for Premiers 2011.
Rich Cho - lead us to the promised land!
by Warmec on Jun 27, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
personally
i’m definately going to miss liv more than jax
I really wanted him to return to form and it was clear he was so close. He could be starting on some other NBA teams but now has to sit behind Jennings.
Agreed
I wish we could have found a way to include another player.
It’s a lot easier to imagine a backcourt with Liv at PG and Kemba at SG than Kemba and Deej. It would have been a much more effective way to spell Hendo.
by James Dator on Jun 27, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Stephen "Just Shoot Me" Jackson sucks anyways
The Bobcats hosed everyone on draft night last Thursday. And I’m not by anymeans saying that’s a bad thing, I’m just giving my 2 cents on the trade.
by PatsR18andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Jun 26, 2011 10:18 PM EDT reply actions

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