Out on a limb draft predictions
by T-TIME, I MEAN DUNK TIME on Jun 14, 2011 2:02 PM EDT
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In every draft, there is always an unexpected rise or fall by a player. In recent memory, Marcus Thornton and Dejuan Blair, expected lottery picks, slipped into the second round. Russell Westbrook, originally thought to be a mid first rounder, went in the top 5.
This list is comprised of "out on a limb" predictions.
1.) Kawhi Leonard will drop out of the Lottery.
2.)Tobias Harris will be a lottery pick.
3.) Donatas Motiejunas is the first foreign player drafted.
4.) Klay Thompson, with his improved stock, is drafted by the Bobcats.
5.) There will be at least two major trades involving veterans, Monta Ellis and Stephen Jackson will make their departure.
6.) Nikola Vucevic will slip into the Lottery.
7.) Cleveland will have 3 top 10 picks.
8.) Jonas Valanciunas will be the last of the major european prospects taken.
9.) Tyler Honeycutt will slip into the late Lottery
And the final prediction:
10.) The Bobcats will get Lebron James
Just kidding on that one. But the last prediction really is....
We will have 3 first round picks and two second rounders.
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If we trade Jax and draft Thompson first then we have no SF
Because according to your predictions then Harris will be gone, Kawhi will be gone and so will Singleton more then likely.
Didnt say wewouldnt get Kawhi, just said he would fall out of the lottery
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by T-TIME, I MEAN DUNK TIME on Jun 14, 2011 2:54 PM EDT reply actions
here's mine:
Boris or Jax are moved
Chris Singleton is either late-lottery or second round (hes a steal if you ask me)
Biyobo will be there for us at 19
76ers pull of a trade of some sort
Chris Paul takes his talents to the Queen City
just a few
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kidding about the CP3/LBJ comment
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by StudMuffin15 on Jun 14, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Good stuff
Honestly, because of his Euro contract situation I don’t see Donatas Motiejunas getting drafted before Jan Vesely, but it’s possible.
As for my predicitons…
- Jax and Boris get moved to an established team for a 2011 1st (in the last 20s) and a future conditional 1st. We get back some bench player with a bad (but short term) contract to make the $$ work.
- Monta Ellis is traded to Portland for Wesley Matthews: It’s clear the Blazers want to appease Roy (and his contract). GS have a logjam at PG and Portland have a logjam at SG… it just makes too much sense for both teams.
- I think a Rajon Rondo for Russell Westbrook swap could happen and makes a lot of sense for both teams.
- Klay Thompson gets taken before Alec Burks
id much rather see
a Chris Paul/Westbrook swap.
i was messing around and did that on 2K11, and it was a deadly decision. pretty sure it wont happen, but just imagine what damage could be done with CP3 on OKC.
wow.
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by StudMuffin15 on Jun 14, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Predictions...
Jimmer is drafted 7th by the Kings and we are NOT as active on draft day as we all hope to be…
Boris for a late first rounder would be nice
I dont think Jax will be traded unless another player is involved.
I'm looking at Boston
Ray Allen is a free agent, they need more help in the front court and the team are looking to try and keep going.
Their window is really only going to be open as long as Garnett and Pierce can keep playing and then they’ll need to rebuild around Rondo.
Jeff Green is a guy who Rich Cho ostensibly scouted in OKC, so he obviously like him and while I know Boston just traded for him he didn’t really suit their offense. I definitely think a Jax/Diaw for Green and the #25 could be a possibility. Boston were already rumored to be interested in Jax around the deadline, and at that point it’s fair compensation.
by James Dator on Jun 14, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Only problem
Is that we would have to take on another 10 million or so to make that work.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Jun 14, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
You'd actually be surprised
They only have 56 million in guaranteed salaries right now, and have a 3 million trade exception.
Your books don’t need to balance in an offseason trade, so long as they do on opening day. When you couple this with the fact if a hard cap was built into the CBA it would likely increase the salary cap to around $70 million and it becomes a very real possibility.
I'm worried about what kind of contract we would have to give Green though.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jun 15, 2011 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't be too worried about that
Green’s rep around the league has fallen since he was traded to BOS (and really even before that). I don’t expect Green to be too expensive. Beside, the real value of that deal is dumping salary and “aquiring an asset” to pick up a big for the future like Mirotic
by Basketball Rambler on Jun 15, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree.
It just goes against the rebuilding process overpaying for a player of Green’s caliber. I wouldn’t mind having him, just not at a ridiculous salary.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jun 15, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Allen Just Opted to Stay...
Green is a FA but I think they are going to keep him and expand his role. He probably wont leave and is expecting around 9 to 11mil. Boston and Portland alike are looking for players in their primes to trade out of draft for. I see Diaw filling in where Davis left off and can do what KG does on a lower scale during subs. He is also an expiring contract and can flourish in a system with plenty of weapons around him.
I wouldnt oppose trading JAX for one of Houston’s picks. Either one would work fine 14 or 23. They are projected to take yet another SF with one or the other. And a PG. I think trading JAX, we could get some nice players. I have 2 in mind. Budinger or T-Will. They both are starting caliber players but not quite what HOU wants beside Martin. JAX would fit perfectly in an offense where he doesnt have to carry the scoring load but expected to be a 2nd or 3rd option. They could really use that scoring. I say we take maybe 14 straight up or 23 with T-Will
Other must see something in Terrence Williams that's completely over my head.
I’m not so sure a sub 10pt, sub .400 shooting SF with a reputation for being lazy is progress
Budinger is far better, but Houston is in the same boat we are. They’re not looking to get older, otherwise they wouldn’t have traded Battier
They traded Battier bc they are in desperate need at Center
You see how that worked out huh? As far as Williams, he’s not lazy. After he tried to dunk on Brook Lopez in practice, he was sent to the D-League as punishment where he Avg’d a triple double scoring close to 30pts. They brought him back but NJ was trying so hard to get Carmelo or Lebron when they had a future star on the roster. Him and Avery (a known asshole) had a fallout and he was traded only to make trades work. He was sent to a team where Rick Aldeman was the coach. Anyone who’s followed Aldeman knows he doesnt screw with his rotations once he has a good thing going. NJ and Will had a problem but it wasnt an issue in HOU, it was just Aldeman’s coaching style. He’s gone now and we need to give the guy a shot. I mean we give lesser players shots here.
You're right
We do give players with less potential shots here. What we don’t do, however, is trade away established players for those who never lived up to their potential in the hopes that everyone else got it wrong and that he’ll buck the trend.
If he was a free agent then sure, throw some money at him… but we don’t ‘need’ to give anyone a shot. Sure, he lit up he D-league, but so did Trey Johnson… who’s that? Exactly.
And he avg'd 14pts a game the last two months of his REAL rookie season
He was a victim of new ownership in NJ. They wanted Lebron or Melo, so he knew he was about to take a backseat. His last two months of his rookie season was 14pts 7rebs 5.5assts. Easily the best player on the team. He was on his way to breaking out but went downhill after an attempted dunk in practice over BRook Lopez.
I just think it's hypocritical
That you give T-Will a pass yet rip Hendo, who was pretty freakin good in the last 2 months of this season too. But I’m really tired of the T-Will/Hendo debates. What makes me the most upset is that I’m a Carolina fan and you’re forcing me to defend Hendo. Please stop!
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by Bring Back Primoz on Jun 15, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I rip Hendo
bc this is NOT his rookie season. Nor did we play in any system. Our last two months of this season was free ball basically to see what everyone has. A rookie season ending with a 14.7.5 is close to all-star level. He wants to play but we know the reason he isnt has nothing to do with production. I dont see Hendo as a future allstar. I would say Battier but he cant shoot. Maybe Ronnie Brewer at the best. The only thing good about him is he’s young. Thats it. But hell you can find young ppl anywhere.
By the way
if you are 19% from 3 but you cant really score anywhere else either, I see no reason to allow you to start. He doesnt have to leave but the bench seems to be the best place for him. 6th man style.
Oh my gosh nobody has said he will be an all star
But you are just being ignorant if you dont think he can avg 17 or 18 ppg. You never give proof to your reasons why you say Hendo will never be a good scorer, all you ever say is because he will be on crutches but you seem to forget he can work on it after he is off of them. Plus the NBA season will not start till atleast January they said, so he will have plenty of time. You always have given a good reason for most arguments but when it comes to Hendo you just go based on opinion and no proof or reason, maybe because you have none? You keep saying that Hendo has reached his peak because this is his 2nd season but this is T-Will’s 3rd and he cannot even get playing time yet you defend him and claim he is better then Hendo. Your only argument for T-Will is he avg like 14 and 7 when starting for the Nets, well Hendo avg. 14 ppg when he was starting maybe not as many rebounds but all you keep saying is Hendo isnt a scorer so that is irrelevant.
Actually...
I thought Jordan said Hendo would be an all star…maybe he didn’t
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by andrewlail76 on Jun 15, 2011 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
This past season?
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by andrewlail76 on Jun 15, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
T-Will was going to be drafted by us
He went one pick b4 Hendo. It was the same year. MJ and LB were very high on him. 6’6 225 and can do everything a player needs to do. Rebound, steal, dunk shoot, create his own shot, move well without the ball, finish strong at the basket. Nothing Hendo does is better than T-Will. And please dont say defense (the only thing Hendo does well) bc T-Will is just as good defender and this is why LB and MJ wanted him. Some even say if he got the PT, he’d be a LBJ type player. I wont say the same scoring numbers, but everything else. Laurence Frank played T-Will in 3 positions. He ran the point and distributed well. He had no weakness at any position. Hendo avg 14pts bc he had to play way more minutes when Wallace left, then in the last 2mos of the season, everyone on our team had inflated stats bc we ran free ball moreso than trying to win. Silas has yet to implement his system so i wish ppl would stop saying he played well in Silas system. He let everyone free ball to see what they had and get a feel for their style of play.
Wow...
You have so much T-Will knowledge…
I respect you sir…
Are you T-Will?
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by andrewlail76 on Jun 15, 2011 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
He’s either T-Will or there is a serious man crush going on there.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Jun 15, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Any player I want on the team I learn about
I just dont pick a player that I seen on television and say I think he’s good without any research. Marcus Thornton, Nick Young, Kobe, Gerald Wallace and a couple others. I just wondered why NJ would trade a rookie that filled up the stat sheet. So I went to find out. And I’ve read a few stories to see if there were any different sides. I like Bball. Cant apologize for it
I'm just messing with you dude...
Great passion and insight. Your research is very thorough
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by andrewlail76 on Jun 15, 2011 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
That actually does not give me a reason at all why Hendo cannot get better at scoring
You avoided the subject all together. Thanks for the bio on Williams it doesnt put your point across though. Why are you even comparing a SF and a SG you act as if we would have to get rid of Hendo for him.
um...
;-)
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by andrewlail76 on Jun 15, 2011 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
You are banking on a lockout
Im not factoring that in. If the season starts on time, he’ll just be rehabilitating his legs to walk. He cant shoot on crutches or on a bad leg. Silas said he also has to work on his ballhandling. Its crazy to think that he can improve his set shot (which needs improvement), his ballhandling (which needs improvement), his 3 pt shot. and his shot off the dribble (if he has to work on both his shooting and dribbling individually, its hard to believe he will be better at his shot off the dribble during the same summer)…The SGs in the draft, are ahead of him in nearly every area except defense and Klay is even good at that.
He's suppose to be ready by the start of Reg season...
Did you hear something where the timeline has changed?
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by andrewlail76 on Jun 15, 2011 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
He's supposed to be finished
rehab. How much practice can he get in between then. He’ll be mobile but he doesnt have time for do anything else.
Quoting...
" If the season starts on time, he’ll just be rehabilitating his legs to walk."
I heard READY by the start of the season
what are we talking about again?
Practice, walking, or improving?
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by andrewlail76 on Jun 15, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I already know that the season will not start till January I heard it on ESPN
But okay so your saying since he will not be able to improve this year we should get rid of him? So yes maybe some SG’s in the draft might be ahead of him. But so what if he is just a bench player why should we get rid of a good bench player I dont get why you hate this kid you honestly have no good reason at all to get rid of him. Gosh im sure he is so sorry he had to have surgery and DELAY his improvements, I capitalized delayed because he will get better if you will give him the chance. Thank god MJ is not this ignorant or noone would ever get a chance to improve.
I never suggested to trade the guy
but if he’s a good bench player, let him come off the bench. Are we supposed to wait everytime a player goes down? Its a team game. We have the assets to get someone just as (probably more) productive. We need a shooter and natural scorer at SG. Maybe he will become that but let’s not rush to throw someone in the starting spot bc of “upside” and “potential”. NBA is a business so its not “punishment” to put someone in front of him to start. Arent you the same one who thinks its a bad idea to draft Klay or Brooks at 9? Although they are going to have great NBA careers? So I expect you to take everything about SG as a shot at Hendo as a person. I want the team to do well and Im a fan of putting teams in the position to win if given the chance.
Oh but your ok putting T-Will in a starting spot based on potential
Also remember when you made your comment that we should keep DJ,LIV, Jax, White and Brown and then you said the rest should be used in trades? Im pretty sure you were kinda in away suggesting trading Hendo
Everyone was expressing who would they keep
And and he wasnt the only playerI didnt name. Im known as Diaw’s biggest fan but I cant see him flourishing on our team. Its not about personal preferences. Its about the benefit of the team. And I’ve said many times we dont have to throw T-Will in the starting spot. Never said to start the guy
Because Williams is considered what we would call a "wingman"
He can play either position. He wouldve been a SG for us. He played PG in NJ under Laurence Frank. He will probably play SG if he’s traded to CHI. He is like LBJ…
The late to practice actually happened after he was reprimanded for attemptin to dunk on Lopez in practice…
Yes they would...
Brook Lopez is their “star”. A team also wouldnt send a player avg 14pts 7rebs 5assts to the d-league either.
Dont hate T-Will bc of me...
I just told you why he was reprimanded. You think if someone dunks on Kobe in practice, it wont be a backlash? You see what happened when Jordan Crawford dunked on Lebron. Laurence Frank wanted T-Will to be the guy. it worked out well. Then Avery came with new ownership and the owner wanted big names to kick off the new Nets. Im not saying he was supposed to be late to practice but if Trap Outlaw is gettin minutes over you and you are clearly better, wouldnt you be upset with the coaching?
How am I hating T-Will I dont care about the guy
I have never heard of a team getting mad at a player for dunking on a star. That makes no sense, every article I ahve read has said they sent him down because he was late to practice and he didnt take them seriously.
Focus you hit the nail right on it's hard head
T-Will has problems with authority, he thinks he’s better than he is. He free ball’s when he’s in the game to display is talents, I bet he does the same thing in practice. That’s probably why he can’t get off the bench in Houston. We don’t need head case players on this team. Oak, Silas and MJ, dont have time to baby sit a knuckle head.
ezrock
He doesnt have off the court problems like some of our guys
I think he needs the guidance instead of being gave up on. He is the most versatile player in the league with the exception of Lebron and Kobe (not as good but versatile)…any team that can get him on track will have a perinneal allstar for years to come.
Who has off court problems?
Besides Cunningham who hasn’t been re-signed yet…
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by andrewlail76 on Jun 15, 2011 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly...
I’d rather work with a player that has potential to be a star on some young mental things than have McGuire and Cunningham who have both been in trouble off the court and arent that good
McGuire was a rental...and won't be back...
Cunningham…who knows…depending on what we draft, he most likely won’t be back
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by andrewlail76 on Jun 15, 2011 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats not the point...
The point is if we can give players like them a shot. Why cant you give a player you know can play a shot? No one is saying throw him in the starting spot but give him some reasonable minutes. T-Will sitting on the bench in HOU cause a uproar among Rocket fans. Kinda like when the Panthers made that one QB play WR last season we kept getting wack QB’s instead of letting him play.
I did..
his first season. And I wasnt really impressed during the last two months of the season. He had a couple good games. So did White and Cunningham and Mcguire. I dont think has developed into a starting quality SG yet. But you can still get a chance coming off the bench. He has too many weaknesses to be a starter. He can work on his game during practices and his minutes off the bench.
So you at least admit he has potential to maybe be a starter one day?
And if not please explain cause you still have not given me a reason why he cannot improve and become a starter.
There was this one guy
Who kept saying that we should give up on Tyrus because all he has is potential and we need to get players that are proven to be talented. I think it was you focus. Now correct me if im wrong but arent you trying to defend a random kid who all he has is potential but it is not proven. Is there a double standard im not aware of?
Why isnt he proven?
He’s been putting up numbers. Rick Aldeman didnt give him a chance but it wasnt bc of they bumped heads. Its bc he already had a thousand wingmen on the Rockets. Sure him and Johnson bumped heads but we seen the stats before he left NJ. He has what it takes. He just needs someone like Silas to instill the mental qualitites.
He isnt proven because
He has never started an entire season in the NBA and he has been on 2 teams and not been givin miniutes. Have you ever looked at it from this angle. If T-Will really has the potential you say he does then why would a team and a coach thats main goal is to win games and find stars then why would they let one go? These people make money off these players they make money off of satrs why would they get rid of one? Thes coaches and owners are not just dumb asses and you are the only smart one they make money off of stars they would not let one go and hold him back unless there was personality issues or unless they dont have as much talent as you think.
Again the new ownership of the NETS was banking on Lebron or Wade or both coming to the team during FA. They wanted to kick off the “revamped” team with a bang. But they already had a on fire T-Will and Lopez. They didnt really need those guys. When the decision was made like an IDIOT, the new owner signed OUTLAW and Petro to ridiculous contracts hoping they would be the future stars. Of course Williams time was cut in half bc Johnson only wanted him to play SF. So eventually they bumped heads. Im sure Williams has some problems of his own but not enuff to send someone to the D-League as punishment. The late practice was the last straw and he was dealt. Him and Aldeman never bumped heads, he just had a lot of players that played the same position and didnt wanna disturb the chemistry.
Once again you forget
Why would they get rid of a star why would they want to lose money why focus why!!!? Do you not understand that if T-Will is this amazing basketball player you claim he is then the Nets would not get rid of him because they were going to make money on him. Those guys are getting payed to evaluate these guys and see their potential and they know more then you okay they know more then all of us. The same goes for Houston if Rick Adelman saw something in T-Will he would have let him play these coaches dont just not play people that have talent the Rockets are not that great. Once again you are forgetting the buisiness side of this if you have a star you market him and make money and with all these greedy owners do you really think they would risk letting that money go? Who cares if they thought they were getting James or Wade they still could move Williams to a different position and dont say Avery wouldnt do it because if he had any real talent then a coach that wants to win would do it or a owner would make him.
Again T-Will was on the outs b4 any problems
They wanted James or Wade. They didnt get them. Stars get traded all the time. Wallace was traded right? T-Will was a rookie. He was Frank’s guy. Well Frank was gone now. Frank let him play 3 positions on a regular basis. Look how hard they fought to get a big name. I mean the owner promised Lebron to be a billionaire for god sakes. Marcus Thornton was traded from the Heat to the Hornets to the Kings. He avg’d 21pts since the deadline. Dirk was traded for Ray Traylor RIP. Kobe was traded for Eddie Jones. Felton, Gallo, Chandler and Mozgov was traded for Carmelo. Chandler was traded for Carroll and Diop. FO’s trade stars all the time. Kevin Martin was traded for Carl Landry. JRich was traded for Wright (who) who is also on the idiotic Nets now. Ray Allen was traded for Jeff Green. It happens.
Half of those people are not stars
Gerald Wallace is not a star Thorton is not a star. If your trying to say that Williams will be a good player then fine maybe he could have but he is not a star. But even if he was as talented as you say he would be able to get miniutes in a subpar Houston team, You need to understand there is more to why he was sent to the d-league then you think because people dont just not give good players miniutes it goes for the Nets and Rockets they want to win and if they really thought Williams could help them win then they would play him.
Again Houston had too many wings on the roster. Why would they surpass the players they have for a new guy coming in from a trade for “the machine”? Aldeman (if you keep up with basketball) is not the coach that likes to fiddle with his rotation. He likes to keep the players that pretty much know the system in place. The rockets were trying to make a playoff run. Rockets fans chanting T-Will was an indication that they knew what he could do. So bc he was sent to the d-league, he’s not good? The same way LB wanted to send Hendo to the d-league? Whats the difference? Houston is far from subpar and if teams made the playoff by record instead of conference then Indy and Phi and possibly NY wouldnt make the playoffs and the Rockets would.
That hypothetical example doesn't matter
They didn’t make it if he was that good he would play, or the coach should be fired for screwing up the owners opportunity to make playoff money. The east and west take turns of being the power house of the league.
ezrock
How can they be subpar with a better record than
3 possibly 4 playoff teams? The coach actually was fired. Aldeman is gone. Maybe McCale will do something with T-Will
I never said T-Will was not good
I just dont think you know it all and I do not remember hearing about people chanting T-Will. All I know is if a player is good he gets played and you say they had to many wings but he can play 3 positions you are telling me they couldnt find a place to play him? I just dont think he is as talented as you say or he has issues.
There is the article
He can play 3 positions. Laurence Frank recognized this. But the Rockets have real PGs. Lowry. Dragic/Brooks. They have a star in Kevin Martin and a backup in Courtney Lee at SG.
Battier, Budinger, Blakely, Demarre Carroll, Patrick Patterson and if you want to include Scola (which I wouldnt)
You dont have to watch the whole thing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpzY-l37xpU&NR=1&feature=fvwp
I dont do this often. I let my arguments hold the weight but watch the 1st play and watch 1:37 into the vid. Its a highlight reel but… he did things like this on a nightly basis
Look I will just never be able to agree
The way I see it is if he was that good he should of played thats just the way I see it. I understand your argument I just respectfully disagree.
Don’t you find it more than mildly hypocritical that you would slam Brandon Roy for complaining about his minutes, yet happily endorse a player who was adding a ‘free T-will’ hashtag to his twitter?
At least Roy had the intestinal fortitude to be public about it, not be passive aggressive.
Two totally different situations
Roy missed half the season with an injury. Bringin him back was a risk to him and to the team. The Trailblazer were in the playoffs. They had a set plan and it worked most of the season. They actually had the advantage going in. Roy publicly cried about not playing. This is a distraction. You cant tell me that didnt distract the locker room. Again its the playoffs. Now the FO and coaching staff feel the need to go against the set game plan to add Roy. I admit it worked the next game but after that it proved to be an epic fail bc the coaches felt they HAD to accomodate his request rather than focusing on the best game plan to beat a team they had the pieces and was favorite to beat. Williams on the other hand wasnt getting playing time at all. And no one could figure out why including himself. When the whole arena rallies for a player thats being benched its pretty much unheard of. He just made a hash tag and posted what other ppl were saying to prove his point. His benching wasnt fair and HOUSTON FANS recognized it. He essentially didnt start FreeT-Will. The fans did. He wasnt injured. They werent in the playoffs. They stunk during this period so why not try anything new. It wasnt a distraction to the locker room. He didnt make any comments that made the fans feel sorry for him. They started the rally. Even then HE never made a comment that was negative directed toward the team or coaches. That is the difference. Roy = Ego/Self Pity….T-Will = fan support
Kobe was traded for Eddie?
I thought they were teammates and Kobe was traded for Vlade.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jun 16, 2011 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions
You are absolutely right...
doesnt change the overall point
Nah, I agree with you on some points.
I’m as big a Terrence William fan (well, almost) as you are. However, we will just have to agree to disagree about Henderson and his potential.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jun 16, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Hendo's first season
He had Larry Brown to deal with and Jax was our starting SG, playing 40 plus minutes per game where is he going to get playing time. When LB got himself fired he got burn, when that happened the FO was compelled to give him more time. They decided to trade GW and move Jax out of position in order to accommodate Hendo. We know you don’t like the decision but management and most fans do. He will get a chance that T-will probably wont, because he kept his mouth shut and kept doing what it took to get his chance to play.
ezrock
Would you guys stop
Wallace was not traded to accomodate Hendo. Wallace was traded to start rebuilding. He was the highest payed guy on our team, so we had to deal him. And we got some expiring contracts out of the deal. It had nothing to do with Hendo. MJ didnt want LB to send Hendo to the D-League I agree but thats the only defense I have read about Hendo.
I even heard Dell and Steve
Talk about how MJ felt he could pull the trigger on the Wallace deal because he has confidence Hendo could start.
He had no choice
if he pulled the trigger. Who else did we have? Carroll? MJ said Wallace was good but he’s not they type of player that could lead the franchise into top contention. And since he was our most valuable trade piece and most expensive player, we decided to pull the trigger.
Im not saying Hendo was the reason they did it
But its true when I tell you it gave MJ peace of mind that Hendo was there.
I know you don't get every inside story
one of the stories iv’e heard is that Hendo was doing so much great work at practice that it was inevitable that something had to be done to get him more playing time. That was a discussion between GW and Jax, but GW did not want to be the on to be traded he probably thought it would be Jax, it just did not work out that way. You may not believe it but it’s true.
ezrock
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I Im obsessed with the Bobcats but I’d rather see the other ppl’s reviews and opinions also. I love bball. I read sites daily. Its the only thing I really use the net for. I’ve learned not to be biased toward our own players when it comes to the betterment of the team. I read everything from Hoopshype to Charlotte Observer to Bobcatsbaseline to This site and everything else.
we are just as dedicated as you are
We have different opinions you stick to your guns and the majority of us stick to our guns. I don’t think you will ever convince us to get rid of Hendo or let him rot on the bench for T-Will, Mayo or who ever until he fails. According to me he has not failed yet.
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+1
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by andrewlail76 on Jun 16, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Hasn't even really been given the chance to fail,
or succeed for that matter.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jun 16, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
You guys are going to hate this one, but here we go.
we trade Hendo, Tyrus, Diaw and number 9 for Monta Ellis and David Lee.
"Facts are stubborn, but statistics are more pliable"-Mark Twain
Hell no.
One of the reasons Golden State is entertaining an Ellis trade in the first place is because he and Lee don’t get along and the owner absolutely loves Lee.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jun 15, 2011 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions
How are any of these things going to happen? Jonas will probably be the 1st or 2nd foreign player taken.
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by Conrad Kaczmarek on Jun 15, 2011 1:05 AM EDT reply actions
Okay I have a question
If we take a SF first which one do we take, Marcus Morris, Jordan Hamilton, or Singleton at 9?
I Say no to Morris only because he's more of a pf.
I would take Hamilton simply for his offensive capabilities. I would rather take Klay because i dont see him falling to 19 and Silas wants a 3 point shooter.
by Ball Above All on Jun 15, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd take Hamilton
I feel that he best represents what we need. Furthermore, I think if he develops and NBA 3P game with regularity he could be a Danny Granger-esque player who would really compliment the slashing styles of Henderson and Jackson; given he is a true guard forward he would be a good pairing for either Hendo or Jax.
There’s a lot to like about Marcus Morris, but it makes me question what that would mean for Tyrus Thomas. The thing about Morris is he’s not as athletic as TT, and if Silas is committed to this open floor, run and gun offense I don’t know how a more methodical, more deliberate post-up PF fits into our scheme.
Chad Ford was saying yesterday that Singleton’s stock is free falling right now after workouts because teams can’t work out how he projects at the next level. His defense is elite to be sure, but what Ford was saying is that he’s such an offensive liability that teams can’t see the value he brings on defense offsetting his lack of offense. Basically, Singleton is projecting to be Ron Artest with less of an offensive game.
by James Dator on Jun 15, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Singleton=Corey Brewer
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jun 15, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
Hamilton is the only player I see with the chance at being an elite scorer so I’d take him in a second.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Jun 15, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep...he reminds me of a Dorell Wright
A pure shooter and scorer. I also think we make a run at AL (not Marcus) THORNTON in FA. He’s the reason Amare now wears glasses and also a 40% 3pt shooter. He is sort of what Trevor Ariza is. Thornton AL not Marcus is exactly what we want Singleton to be and wont be a burden on our pockets.
Like Thornton, Al not Marcus, as well
Would like to see us make a run at him and Luc Richard Mbah a Mote…My 2 favorite FA’s that could be had at a resonable price and instantly help the team, while keeping with our youth movement…
Mbah a Moute
is good too but Im sure he is gonna get alot of offers (if teams know better) this offseason
I wrecked the spelling on that!
He remains my #1 FA for this team. I really don’t even know if we are interested, but we damn well should be…
T-TIME
You article is now up at Trade Street Post
Bobcats Basketball is my only pro sports passion...
Thank you sir. I will take a look
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by T-TIME, I MEAN DUNK TIME on Jun 15, 2011 2:59 PM EDT reply actions
Attempt to trade up to get Kanter, can't do it panic and draft Vucevic at 9.
Actually, that might be more of a pre-Cho move.
+1
It better not go down like that. I’ma be pissed off.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jun 16, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd like Vicevic...but at 19...not 9
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by andrewlail76 on Jun 16, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Vucevic...
my apologies
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by andrewlail76 on Jun 16, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I have an out on a limb prediction
Maybe …… just maybe ……… we’ll eventually have one thread that doesn’t turn into an argument about T-Will and Hendo. Getting pretty old.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Jun 15, 2011 10:30 PM EDT reply actions
No doubt...
You don’t see arguments like that over at www.tradestreetpost.com
;-)
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by andrewlail76 on Jun 15, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
If you was a wrestler,
you would come out with a mic every time and say “it feels good to be back in INSERT CITY NAME”
Lol, it’s a good marketing strategy though. I’m taking my talents to Trade Street..
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jun 16, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
Bring those talents on over…and if your’re not down with TSP, I got 2 words for ya…..
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by andrewlail76 on Jun 16, 2011 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
it wasnt
I admit, I said we could take Houston’s pick at 22 or 14 for JAX since they are looking for a SF to play effectively beside Martin. I named Marcus Cousin, Budinger and T-Will as the possibles we could get in return. Then everyone else began making statements about T-Will. Not me..
Prediction 7.) Cleveland will have 3 top 10 picks.
I think this is will happen as well.
Prediction 5.) There will be at least two major trades involving veterans, Monta Ellis and Stephen Jackson will make their departure.
I agree with Ellis → Jackson I am not so sure. He might be moved mid season after he shows that he is fitter, healthier and running on all cylinders.
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They have been discussing Stephen Jackson in a fan shot talking about the Cho hiring. Some like the idea some dont but at least they are still interested in the thought.
Im not,,,
Nothing the Bulls can give us would make that a win for us. Unless they give us Gibson and thats not going to happen.
If we could get one of there 1st round picks this year and a future pick we would be made
We will not get anything better for him.
Not from the Bulls...
This is JAX. 19ppg… Im not willing to give that up for a late pick bc Tyler will probably be gone two picks b4 CHI’s first one. So who do we get with those? From my understanding we HAVE to sign the 1st rd picks. No deal. Im all for a “youth movement” but Im not for having a team full of “potentials”. We need some kind of anchors. We arent as bad as Seattle was when they went through rebuilding. So I dont wanna jump the gun and have a roster full of nobodies. That ship has sailed. If we move JAX, it should be to Sac or Minn or Portland or Utah. Somewhere where we can at least get some value and production back
Too bad their not the ones making the decision.
If we get their pick and C.J Watson ill be happy.
We could end up with Klay, Tobias Harris, Vucevic, and Jeremy Tyler in this yearsvdraft. That is simply filthy
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by T-TIME, I MEAN DUNK TIME on Jun 16, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought yal were serious
About ending up with Shevlin Mack (Garret Temple) and Kyle Singler. Actually while typing this, I was looking at nbadraft.net and they have us taking Tristan Thompson at 9 and Biyombo. Who are these 6’9 Stromile Swift, Glen Davis, TT guys?
I was being serious I would make that trade
But I would set the trade up and wait till there pick and see if Tyler or anyone of value is there before i pull the trigger.
I hope if we trade JAX we at least get one good young vet out the deal. Not Norris Cole…There is no one of value after 26.
If we do get one of Chicago's picks this year
we have to use it on Mirotic. The guy is a sure bet to be a good NBA center, and he has allstar potential. He’d be a top 10 pick if he was coming over sooner. Let him develop while raking in the Euros (at no cost to us). We’ll pay him American dollar when he’s ready to play in the NBA.
by Basketball Rambler on Jun 17, 2011 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Biyombo's not slipping
If we want a defensive-minded center who plays with unmatched effort, we’ll have to use the 9th pick to get him.
by Basketball Rambler on Jun 17, 2011 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Iv seen him slipping a lot
I do not know if he will fall to us but he will not go as high as he orginally was
I think people were reacting to that stupid shooting drill workout he did
It was kind of a silly prospect to expect him to be a polished scorer. Most are saying that the teams that like him don’t care about his shooting. If Biyombo slips all the way to 19, I’ll be the happiest man on Earth.
by Basketball Rambler on Jun 17, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
That's simply not true. Multiple recent mocks still have him in the lottery
SOME mocks have him slipping. SOME don’t
by Basketball Rambler on Jun 17, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I have seen more that have him slipping then they dont
Why would I lie about this im not an idiot dude
I misread your initial statement
I don’t think you’re lying that the mocks you’ve seen have him slipping. That doesn’t mean that there are clearly mocks that have Biyombo staying in the Lottery.
I’m just pointing out that there’s no consensus amongst the mock drafts that Biyombo is slipping out of the lottery. You seemed to suggest otherwise. I’m not trying to ruffle your feathers bro.
by Basketball Rambler on Jun 17, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Wasnt saying you are im just telling you im not stupid enough to lie about this stuff
You couldnt ruffle my feathers because you didnt say anything that would. I think that he will slip out of the lottery you dont what ever happens happens we will see
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