Hoopsworld: Fixing the Bobcats
by TS BOBCAT on Apr 9, 2011 4:14 PM EDT
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Hoopsworld has done their addition of how to fix Charlotte this off season
I enjoyed reading it, it was very well done and pretty much was right on the dot.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=19387
I hope the Bobcats can get on the right path we need to draft smart and bring in future starters through draft or FA. This offseason I expect to be a little crazy who knows who will be on our team next year.
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Good read
I know this is a bit off subject, but I have heard that Lucas Nogeira will enter the draft if he believes he will be a first round selection. His buy-out is pretty small, so unless something changes, he could be in play for the Cats with our 2nd first round pick. Thought I saw you asking about it and that’s what i’ve heard…
That also proves how much of a head case he is
But not only would we have to wait a year for him because he is 17 he might be another Rubio and not play for Charlotte so I dont know.
I watched Nogueira...
…at Nike at Hoops Summit this past Saturday. He’s not ready for primetime. I don’t know why you think he’s being stupid TS, he is just a kid.
He is being stupid if the only reason for not going in is because he wont be a 1st rounder
That has nothing to do with he doesnt think he is ready that means he THINKS he is good enough and he isnt he already has so many people coming out and talking about his bad character that is why he is being stupid. And he is 18 he isnt a kid anymore its time for him to grow up.
Sick 'em!
Just kidding…It doesn’t matter if he enters his name this draft or the next, he is not going to be able to play in the NBA for at least a few seasons. That being said, why would he want come out now as a 2nd round pick? The smart move would be to try and position himself as a sure-fire 1st round pick, while improving his body and game overseas. I love his potential and would like to see him in a Cats’ uniform, but the smartest play for him in the long term, would be to enter the draft with the highest potential pick position possible.
His coaches and teamates say he already has a star attitude
Not the star attitude that is confidense the bratty little immature attitude. His nickname is Bebe which means baby.
Like I say, he's a KID
Dunno that I’d call those “character issues” -just raging adolescence. )
In the NBA, he’d be a rookie. A tall, awkward, immature rookie, and it would make for attitude adjustments. But I agree, let him play in Europe for a year or two. Better for everybody, including Bebe. ;
Agreed
He is playing for a second-tier team in Spain and is not ready to play NBA ball yet. He is playing with an under 20 World team against some high school players from the US. If he dominates, as he should, then I can see him coming out. I love his athleticism. Depending on where that second pick falls, he is an awfully tempting talent…I think Rubio is getting a pretty nice deal, maybe nicer than the wolves can match? I don’t understand any of that business…If I was a wolves fan, I would be going crazy wondering why he is not in uniform by now…
I still like a draft going like this
Terrance Jones
Kenneth Faried
Keith Benson or Nogueira if he wants to stop being stupid
Or Biyombo!!!! He is a friggin monster...He really impressed me in the Nike Hoops Summit
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by T-TIME, I MEAN DUNK TIME on Apr 10, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Biyombo was the standout.
He’s NBA-ready, despite needing a lot of work on offensive skills.
Don't underestimate our drafting abilities
Ajinca was scoring 4 points a game against French middle school teams and we took him 17th. Don’t rule anything out!
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by Bring Back Primoz on Apr 9, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
From my understanding,
Rubio did not come over to the T-Wolves because his buyout clause with FC Barcelona was extremely expensive, and way above the limit the NBA allows for its teams to buy out contracts for players. Rubio was still on DKV Joventut during the summer of 2009, and if I recall, a deal was in place where the Wolves were going pay DKV Joventut, but Rubio stalled as FC Barcelona gave him an extremely lucrative six year offer, and he shortly signed with them. Barca then placed a high buy out price on Rubio, one that the Wolves could not pay (mainly because the NBA didn’t allow it, and probably because the Wolves couldn’t pay it).
Remember the T-Wolves picked both Rubio and Flynn back to back, so they still had a young PG on the team to work with. Meantime, Rubio, who is still young, could continue to play in Spain and further develop. Additionally, he gets paid buckets of cash for playing and for endorsements.
Rubio’s buyout clause diminishes with each season, I believe, although with the possible lock out, he’ll probably continue playing in the ACB in Spain next year, receiving his nice salary. Spanish and US experts are predicating he will probably come to the NBA the season after next.
by Roger, Roger on Apr 9, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't care for Jones...
He just seems lazy to me. I like Kawai Leonard. He is very GW-like from what I have heard and seen of him. I don’t know if either of these players are going to declare or not. I haven’t been able to find out much on many players intentions…Love Faried and Benson would be a great pick in the second, I just doubt he will still be available. Same goes for Nogueira.
Kawhi Leonard reminds me of Crash too
Therefore, I want.
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by KaiserBromley on Apr 10, 2011 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions
A good article,
Thank you for sharing.
I basically agree with everything that was stated, and I imagine most everyone else will too, as these are all problems we’ve all seen for quite sometime.
I like this bit:
“Charlotte got some good values on the scrap heap last season”
Haha, so true. And, as it states, we’ll have to next season as well, too.
Good Read.
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OK Read
Few things that feel a lil differently abt.
I like...
Jan Vessley, Jajuan Johnson, Chris Singleton or Jamie Skeen(hometown kid)for our draft picks…and we can find some decent outside shooters in free agency.
Singleton is a first rounder
Skeen is possible with the 2nd round
by TS BOBCAT on Apr 10, 2011 9:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We might fall to 8th LAC is only one game back
Mock draft that was made today from bleacherworld has…
1st pick: Jonas V. (cant spell last name but dont mind this guy)
2nd pick: Kenneth Faried
they didnt have a 2nd rounder posted but if it matters they had are first pick at 10 and Alec Burks was taken at 9 (talented but is a SG and you can tell they are starting to build around Gerald based on advertisements) and Kemba at 8th which I hope we stay away from I feel like there is to much talent at other positions we need, DJ is a starting quality PG we do not need Kemba at all.
I'm glad to hear that Bobcats fans are behind keeping Dante as a longterm piece.
Dante is pure hustle, what he lacks in physical abilities he makes up by working harder than anybody else on the floor. You gotta love players like that, because you can’t teach that quality, it’s just the guy, not the coaching. I’m glad he’s getting more of a shot in Charlotte than he would get here in Portland.
Nicolas Batum; "The Smoothest Cat in the NBA"
I asked Dante yesterday if he was coming back next year when he was signing autographs
He said I dont know Im a FA. Not exactley what I was hoping to hear, was hoping for something like I would like to be here. But we will see how it plays out.
Thanks for the exclusive
Sounds like Dante needs some media training to deal with our crack RoF reporting team.
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Apr 12, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I miss him...
…but love what he’s doing for you all in Charlotte. He’s a solid building block for the franchise going forward, if you can resign him.
As long as he doesn't get out of hand with his asking price,
I think he’ll be back next year.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 12, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Center should be our 1st round pick
1st pick is either Enes Kanter or Jonas V.
2nd pick is a SG/SF: land Jordan Hamilton, Tyler Hoeycutt or Klay Thompson
2nd round pick is PG/SG: Shelvin Mack or Demetri McCarney
PF is the only position we should pass because we are already loaded on that position
we need 3rd PG that can also play SG
We all know that Livingston can not play 82 games, so we need a 3rd point guard at least 6’3" in height that can play better defense than Augustin and if we are lucky, Demetri Mc Camey will be much better than Augustin after 2 season.
I would shit my pants if we won the lottery lol....that would be awesome
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by T-TIME, I MEAN DUNK TIME on Apr 11, 2011 6:38 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Hell yeah.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 11, 2011 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I like most of what he said.
I think I value Kwame a lot more than he does. I know it’s a very small sample to choose from, but the past 2-3 games suggest that Kwame just might be able to become a 20-10 guy…how insanely awesome would that be? Honestly, the main reason he isn’t close to that point already is because of his shaky hand skills (which have been very impressive in short bursts lately).
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We'll need to win games before I take Kwame's "starting potential"
more seriously, but it would be great for Jordan to be able to say that his biggest mistake turned out to be one of his best moves. I think he already brings up Adam Morrison’s championship rings when people talk about how bad of a pick he was. But as a Cats fan, I do hope we bring Kwame back and I hope he continues to get better. Still would rather see a better player as our starter and Kwame as a reliable backup, but Kwame is really using these last few weeks to make himself superior to all of our other options.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 11, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
It's really just games like he had against Javale McGee and Washington that
makes me continually doubt him.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 11, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Javale McGee and Blatche
Had him covered. They cause trouble for a lot of bigs. I Cant give him grief about that really. He still needs to at least give us 8 and 8 even on his bad days and I’ll be satisfied. He has the potential to be a 15 and 10 guy. I say he stays and starts until he proves otherwise. In which we’ll have a rookie/Oden waiting in the wings. I just would hate for us to sign Oden and let him start over Kwame. I say Oden bc I hear he is gonna be cheap. and the better teams looking for centers (Bos, Mia, NY, Hou) will have dibs on NENE, Dalembert. Chandler ect
Well it looks like we have locked up the 9th pick unless we hit the lottery
If we win tommorow and the bucks lose are records will be tied and they won the season series I think so that means we get to pick ahead of them right?
and a coin flip for pick #19
- if N.O. loses the coin flip
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Apr 15, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't be opposed to trading our first rounder
Is it possible we could package the pick and one of our players for a star player? I don’t expect a superstar but in my opinion, a very good established veteran would be better for this team than an unproven rookie. Especially considering the history of Bobcats draft picks.
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Casspi is good.
But it wont take a package to get him from his team. He’s publicly expressed his discontent. Maybe one of our smaller role players would be enough to get Casspi. We would then be clogged at the SF position. But u cant complain bc he can play two positions and he can hit the 3 consistently. Maybe a second rd pick. But I wouldnt mind trading JAX for something (idk where of for what tho). Maybe Chicago or Hou. Bc although he is our best scorer, the offense isnt as freeflowing with him in the equation. I wouldnt mind keeping Diaw and Tyrus (which prolly wont work but i wouldnt mind it) and have some young vets at the 3 and coming off the bench at 2. That way we become younger, get rid of a big contract…
I ould see a player and a pick...
for either moving up in the draft or for a player as you mention…
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by andrewlail76 on Apr 14, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
We could aim for Minnesota's pick (4th, i think).
They can’t afford to have another young talent from the draft. They have lots already. Same for Washington and Sacramento. Diaw + our 1st pick for Sac’s lottery pick would be nice.
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by mikael matthews on Apr 15, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
The only reason I would pull the trigger is bc of cap space. Nobody in the draft will be better than Diaw in the next 2 or 3 yrs except maybe Jones/Sullinger…and thats a strong maybe. Without Diaw, we wont make the playoffs unless We get a starter out of FA (at the SG) which i doubt we’ll do
So you're still holding on with the idea that Hendo is just a bench guy?
Of course we won’t get a start out of FA at the SG spot. The way I see it (and I think some of the fans here too): Gerald Henderson will be our starting SG for years to come.
But yeah, that Diaw deal looks bad. I just made it as an example, and I wasn’t really thinking much about it.
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by mikael matthews on Apr 15, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
No team would take Diaw and give up a high draft pick
Having too many young players selected at the top of the draft is not a problem. Having too many overpaid veterans that don’t produce wins is a problem. If Sacto/Anaheim is going to lose 50+ games, they would much rather do it with a relatively inexpensive Kyrie Irving/Derrick Williams than with Boris Diaw.
Seems like sound logic :)
Diaw just said yesterday he’s picking up his player option for next season and the only way we could deal him this summer is if we take back a crappy contract. He’ll be here next year. If we’re lucky, we can move him at the trade deadline.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Apr 15, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I Doubt it...
We only won the last 10 or so games this season bc Diaw “played” (as you guys say)…Diaw gets us wins. Silas ran LB system for the rest of the season (which he stated in several interviews).
Boris did not get us very many wins he is not that important to are team
And we have been trying to trade him since last year. The FO wants him gone and it is not really a secret even the observer reported it like a week ago.
Boris is overpaid, but he has ability and can win games
Some act like he is Gana Diop. Boris started every game this year and could do so for 70% of the teams in the league.
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Apr 15, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree entirely
Boris is a good player but he comes with baggage too. Next year will be his last as a Bobcat because we won’t resign him and no one else will take him.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Apr 15, 2011 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we are going to go young
unless their is a star in the deal for us. A “very good established veteran” isn’t going to cut it for M.J, although competitively wise, that would be the best move for us in the short term.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 14, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking
Something like Tyrus (or Diaw since his contract is expiring) and our first rounder for someone like David West or Al Jefferson. I have no clue how salaries match up, just throwing out some names. Man, this is tough…it has to be pretty stressful being in the front office of an NBA team.
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Punchin out hits like Gladys Knight and the Pips
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I think It would be fun to be in the FO....
Al Jefferson is a good choice. I dont know about West. Im not a big fan of players who have knee/leg injuries until AFTER they comeback and prove they can play for a season. Like McDyess…
Just saw that...
Kawhi Leonard has entered the draft. I love this kids potential and he is projecting as a late lotto pick. If we don’t get in the top 3 and are around pick 9, i’m looking at this kid. Has drawn comparisons to GW with his defense, rebounding, and all-around hustle. Leonard lead the Aztecs in scoring and rebounding from the small forward position. Only 19 years old, he needs to develop a more consistent outside shot (sounds like the scouting report on G. Henderson, and that is looking better and better by the game), but the former Mr. Basketball in the state of California has the potential to be a GW or maybe D. Granger type of player.
I like Leonard
But a knock on him is that he might have a hard time adjusting to NBA speed. UCONN made him look turtle slow. The Mountain West doesn’t have the speed or overall talent that other conferences have, which is why both BYU and San Diego St got ran over when they faced top-6 conference teams in the tourney. Granted, Florida and UCONN, respectively, weren’t slouch teams. But just much faster and more athletic. For someone who gets compared to Crash, you would think (want) speed and athleticism to be his hallmarks.
I agree
I like the numbers Leonard put up, but he is not the athlete GW is…His defense and rebounding draw the GW comparisons I guess. I still like his ability at the 9th pick though…
Hahaha no! He is more of a SF/PF type.
by Zack Bowring on Apr 15, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
He is listed everywhere as a PF/C when he transfers to the NBA
6’9, 240 ibs., that is undersized but this dude is freaking built doesnt he have like a 7’7 wingspan this guy has alot of talent I think the 2nd would either be him or Faried
this article
was pretty dumb and not very thought out
for starters, Kwame Brown played really well at times and his defensive efficiency rating was well above average, and wasn’t mentioned at all
also dj white and dante cunningham showed me only that they weren’t ready to be nba starters yet, which is why dominic mcguire got more burn than them
Kemba Walker and Terrance Jones are nowhere near NBA ready. Jones might not even go pro.
And basically, four of the “five” steps are like commandments in the NBA that EVERY team wants/must do. Spend wisely in free agency? Seriously? Draft good players? PROFOUND! Score more points? Brilliant!
Pretty much it looks like this guy just took a look at our current roster, flipped through a few stats, and wrote this article, without ever having really watched a Bobcats game.
I actually think it was a good article
He wrote better then most writers taken shots at us and he was right on most things.
So a good writer is one that tells you what you want to hear?
I agree with adamcawa. The article isn’t weak sauce because it’s wrong. The problem with it is it doesn’t reflect anything more than a shallow understanding of the Bobcats. And it’s not especially good writing either.
That's the best question
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by andrewlail76 on Apr 19, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Is Chris Singleton going to turn out to be a good player
If we drafted Jonas Valanciunas with are first pick I would guess we would take a SF with are 2nd and I think the best options would be him and Jordan Hamilton but i just want who has the most talent and could become a starter in a few years.
nbadraft.net
has both Valanciunas and Hamilton being taken the pick right before us.
That said, it has us taking Marcus Morris at #9 which is absolutely not going to happen. For starters, we would definately draft his brother over him, since we need a big man more. It makes sense for Charlotte to trade their first pick and second round pick to get a higher position to draft Kanter or Vesely. If we don’t trade up, we have to take the best big man available with our first pick.
Jordan Hamilton, Tobias Harris and Chris Singleton are all great options with our second pick. To answer your question, I would prefer Hamilton over Singleton because he’s a bit more versatile, and can play the 2 gaurd position. Singleton played PF a lot for FSU but he would be limited to SF in the NBA.
Well...
Lets not get ahead of the FO of the Bobcats. I’ve read a few articles on some of the guys that are mentioned over and over on this site. But I wont speak on them until I see MOCK DRAFT that mentions at least something about us moving on that particular player. Morris (Marcus) is clearly better than his brother. 9pts 3rebs better may i add. Now depending on the decisions made on DIAW/JAX, I can see Marcus (which i can seen us getting several times) on our team. PLAYER COMPARISONS is something I really look for. So far for Morris I’ve seen Al Harrington, Boozer and Lamar Odom. Those names I cant argue with. If we do decide to move Boris or we find takers for Tyrus, he would be a nice fit for our team.
Im still willing to give Tyrus a shot plus if we dont trade Boris PF isnt as big a need
I wouldnt mind Morris though
Marcus Morris
is a 6-9 PF with an average wingspan… I suggested we need a FC, which he is not. I should’ve clarified that I doubt the Bobcats would take either player, my point was just that Marcus Morris doesn’t fit a need, while his brother does, not that Markieff(sp?) is better than Marcus. I would rather not draft either player.
I agree I like Hamilton better
But when I look at the draft there are 2 C’s that will go in the top 10 Kanter and JV. As long as Toronto doesnt take Kanter then it doesnt look like any teams between them and Cleveland will take a C and I doubt they pass up on Kanter if Toronto doesnt take him so that should leave JV there for us.
I would love to see a draft play out like this
Jonas Valanciunas
Jordan Hamilton/Chris Singleton
Jamie Skeen
I know nobody cares about the 2nd round
But there are some guys im really interested in and I was wonderingif you guys think any of them would be ok with are pick. I dont know if any of these are stretches. Also which one of these guys is best for us.
Kyle Singler
Jamie Skeen
Jon Leur
Ben Hansboriugh
David Lighty
Shelvin Mack
i've seen us
drafting darius morris on both the major mock draft sites, draftexpress and nbadraft, with our second round pick
Singler is projected as an early second round, possibly late first rounder, depending on what players are available. Skeen has been a late second round choice. Jon Leuer would be an excellent pick up for us in the second round if the cards don’t fall right,
Hansbrough, Mack and the aforementioned Morris are all projected to be available somewhere around our second pick. Of those three, I would certainly prefer Mack, but I don’t know much about Morris. There has to be a reason we’re projected to take him over the other two in both mocks.
Hansborough is expected to go in the 2nd
Mack is varied in most mocks and I have seen Darius Morris mentioned alot. If we take aPG/SG then I would not mind Ben, Mack, or Morris with are 3rd pick. But I am going out of town and I am doing this on my phone so if there are any errors I apologize.
by TS BOBCAT on Apr 19, 2011 2:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Draft question
Do we pass up on a PG if one of the “big three” happen to fall to us? Particularly if Kanter and JV would presumably off the board at that point?
(Big three being Kyrie Irving, Kemba Walker, Brandon Knight)
I still say we draft the BEST TALENT AVAILABLE
and then we work it out…
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by andrewlail76 on Apr 19, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
What about Jimmer...where is he going?
top 5?
Just curious…at one point I had seeh where he would fall that far…and I wondered if he was worth a pick.
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I just went and checked out several mock drafts
As you all Know, im not too big on the draft and think our picks (ALL of THEM should be used to get established players or pieces to package a JAX, DIAW, TYRUS trade)…but here goes:
mynbadraft.com: 9. T. Jones 19. Markeiff Morris
nbadraft.net: 9. Marcus Morris 19. Tobias Harris
draftexpress: 9. Montiejunas 19. Nolan Smith
hoopshype: 9. Valanciunas 19. Tobias Harris
hoopdoctor: 9. T. Jones 19.Tobias Harris
draft-tek: 9. Alec Burks 19. Tyler Honeycutt
draft insider: 9. Marcus Morris 19. Brandon Knight
its a million more sites, but I think we got the drift. Just to let you guys see what the internet thinks about it.
I think we'd come out pretty decent snagging Terrence Jones at 9 and Brandon Knight at 19.
I don’t see Biyombo anywhere though. Is he not declaring?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 21, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Jones and Knight
declared, but did not hire and agent and our waiting to have a better feel for what’s going to happen next season
TBH, both of them could benefit from returning to school anyway. Knight needs to work on his decision making and Jones needs to work on his post moves. Although he’s projected as a SF by a lot of people. If that’s true, he needs to work on being more consistent with his range.
Doron Lamb is returning to UK. Liggins declared, but also did not hire an agent.
I agree, I don't think Knight or Jones need to make the transition to the pros this year.
Both of their games could use work.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 22, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
So You Guys Agree
Our picks can be used, even the 9th one can be packaged to move (hopefully Tyrus or JAX) contracts. Or at least use the 20th. We need some PROVEN PLAYERS. Its useless to use picks in the draft when a POSSIBLE (Jones) top pick “may not need to declare”…what sense does that make taking that risk? I know we hope to God that we get the Danny Granger of the draft but I dont see that happening. I think the smartest thing for us to do is use to picks to get PROVEN TALENT. We may not get the greatest players for JAX but u can get at least one proven (2 or 3yr) talent and free up around 10mil in capspace. Leaving room to pick up a good FA, I doubt we get something for Diop until the trade deadline so our best bet is to move JAX, Tyrus or Diaw…
I've always been on the side of trading the picks for a proven talent,
depending on the quality of that talent. But at the same time, I’m interested to see if Jordan and Higgins have improved their drafting techniques and can find a diamond in the rough.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 22, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I get it
BUT…drafting is risk regardless. Every once there are drafts like 2004,2008 where the draft is filled with good players. Therefore good players spill over to the 2nd rd. Where as this draft is based solely on potential/team needs and upside. After about the 10-15th pick, you can go with anybody and get the same results all the way to the bottom most picks. Which isnt good. There are NO team changing picks AT ALL. Instant production from any of these guys will be more LUCK than anything else. I think we take our chance with a few proven players this time around. With the 2012 FA next season, we will need to present the best product to the STARS in that FA. I doubt the stars go to a team considered a “lottery” team or a team that doesnt make the playoffs. We will also have to be able to AFFORD that player. Even with the CBA looming, I doubt DWIGHT or PAUL take less than what they KNOW they deserve UNLESS they are guaranteed a championship type season. Right now there are a few teams that will be fighting for those players and they present a better roster than we do.
Paul: POR, NY, IND, MIA, LAL, MEM, DAL all present a better roster/chance for a championship than we do. But 2 or those teams may not be able to PAY the proper salary
Howard: NJ, SA, NY, MIA, HOU all provide a quality roster with a need for a Center. Only 1 may not be able to afford Howard.
That being said THIS year is the year we make the NEEDED changes at any and EVERY position to provide another option for those player. Im not saying we need those particular players but in order to attract a star (esp with “star” players damn near protesting until they get the team THEY want) you need to present the best possible situation. They are already on teams that arent GOOD ENOUGH. They wont leave to go to another one. So JAX/Diaw/Tyrus have to be dealt with accordingly. Our roster is not “presentable” and we would only get worse by using the draft picks for even more rookies. Picks need to be used for packages to 1. FREE UP SPACE and 2. OVERHAUL THE ROSTER.
So you're suggesting not drafting anyone at all and using the picks to unload Diop, Jackson, and/or Tyrus?
Or trading those guys for proven players? The reason I ask is because it has to be one way or the other and I’m not sure what your best option would be. Jackson and Diop’s trade values, IMO, well with Diop IEO (in everyone’s opinion) are extremely low right now at it’d more than likely take 1 or even both of our first rounders just to get them off the books. I still think we can dump Tyrus for an expiring over the off-season if needed.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 22, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
we're not getting rid of diop
period… in fact, without checking when his contract expires, we’re better off waiving him so we’d only have to pay him next season (if he expires then it’s the same thing)
but i could see someone taking Jax off our hands for this year’s pick and a protected future pick
Lol, yeah, it'll take a king's ransom from us to get rid of Diop.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 22, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes. Not drafting anyone at all
There are several teams looking for that vet leadership and a SF.
Here’s a few trade scenarios
OKC: Harden was one who was said “not getting it done” but after his most recent game it may be different. Jax can be that spark off the bench but if they are willing to pay that for a bench player. They are so complete already. (Cole Aldrich and/or Nate Robinson)
ATL: Same case, Marvin just isnt getting it done. With Crawford coming off the books and possibly headed to CHI, the Hawks need this type of play coming off the bench. While they may never find another Crawford. This is just as good. (Armstrong/Pechulia and ???)
MINN: This team simply NEEDS. With JAX ability to play SG and SF he could provide some veteran guidance for such a young roster. They are always a lottery team so taking a risk on JAX which has more pros than cons may work out. (Darko & Webster/Wes Johnson maybe?)
TOR: Same case as MINN basically. They are stacked at the PF/SF position but none of those guys will be candidates to get it done. They may have a pick and Idk what they plan on taking but maybe JAX can get it done for them for a couple seasons and and they focus on what to do at the Center after Bargnani. (Linas Kleiza OR Barbosa not both)
DEN: JR Smith is definately coming off the books. Chandler is a primary contestant for the Clippers at the SF (which would fit perfect or maybe PHX). The problem with Denver is that they need a star. They need that guy to take over in the 4th. They have good vets with Martin and NENE. JAX will only provide more defense and scoring. This is a plus. THEY WILL MAKE THE PLAYOFFS WITH JAX and will be alot more intimidating. This works out well. (Mozgov/Koufos & Felton/Forbes)
Now these werent properly investigated. Just suggestions to dump JAX contract. And maybe get some productive pieces in return. I think all these free up cap space. Not to mention we still would have to package a pick or a role player with most of these. Another one would be HOUSTON and MEMPHIS but I didnt feel like goin further, These are just suggestions and I THINK that each team mentioned would be willing to give up that kind of money for another season in order to get better.
Though I definately think all of those teams need a guy like Jax (as do we),
I don’t think they would be willing to trade for him. I mean, I agree with you. I think those young teams (for leadership) or teams close to winning it all (for added toughness, scoring) needs someone like him to get over the hump, but it’s not always that simple.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 22, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I know, I know...sux right?
The IDEA has to first be planted. and I doubt anyteams just jump up and say “Hey we need JAX”…especially in a league full of young talent like Shannon Brown, Mike Pietruis (which is so perfect to have with Paul or Howard), Wilson Chandler and 3 players whose last name is YOUNG. But I think as far as having a veteran scorer, JAX fits the bill. You know what you are going to get. He is probably the best SG/SF option to have as far as having a team closer. IT would be a beautiful scenario for any of the aforementioned teams but I hope that Jordan really examines all options (esp mine lol) for ridding us of JAX (our best player/biggest hinderance finacially)
based on this year's draft
it makes sense to try to get other players, but you’re forgetting that everyone else knows the draft is weak so their pick value decreases considerably. we’d have to be willing to take on money, which we simply don’t have the luxury to do
our best option is to compile the two first rounders to move up and draft one of the two big men who look to be sure things by most accounts, especially kanter
we’re never getting rid of diop, period. no one will take that contract for such a poor player. No one is gonna pay Diaw 9 million, but we could move him if we throw in some cash. He’s probably a trade deadline move though, to a contender. Jax is the most likely to be “tradable”, but we’d have to throw in one of our picks to do it probably, which means we can’t move up.
I agree with you 100% I do think Donatas Motiejunas kid could turn out to be a decent pro if he gains some muscle and tries to be more aggressive. Those European dudes should all enter the draft this year if they were smart. This draft is so thin that most would get picked pretty high and they could go back to Europe if there is a lockout. They are in a great position
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by gunnin' gervin on Apr 22, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
The only bad thing about moving Jackson is the team has to take back almost the same amount he is making. So I think it might be hard to get a decent or good player for just Jackson and a draft pick in this draft unless it is top 5. I hope the team can figure something out.
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by gunnin' gervin on Apr 22, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
we're not making the playoffs
next year, so if we have to take on a bad contract for Jax’s bad contract, but let it be a single season bad contract, then it’d be in our best interests in the end
But unless we luck out and get a high pick in the lottery (or at least above cleveland or toronto), then we can only trade Jax with a pick, but we need both to move up to get those bigmen. We’re in a pretty bad position. The Bobcats should’ve tanked the season once Wallace was traded if they knew their plan was to go young. Especially with this year’s weak draft.
I'd Rather
Have Kwame than those “raw, young, need to gain weight, take a few yrs to develop, can shoot long range but need to work on post game” guys. Trade the f-Ing pick in a pkg to move Jax contract with a decent return. If we aren’t gonna make the playoffs anyway, y not make ridding ourselves of the contracts that are hindering our growth
But that's a lot easier said than done
Who is knocking down our door to get Jax, Diaw, Tyrus, Carroll, or Diop’s contract? Nobody. We need to be patient and slowly let these contracts come off the books (Diaw, Najera next year and Carroll, Diop, and Jax in 2013) because the only way to move them is to take back equally crappy contracts. This won’t be a quick fix so we need to be a little realistic with our expectations here.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Apr 23, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel you on trying to rid the team of the bad contracts. That should most definitely be a high priority but It’s still nice to get a decent young prospect. The team can keep Kwame who doesn’t get paid a whole lot anyway and draft one of the European big dudes. That Valanciunas guy seems to have good size already and is playing well in the limited minutes he gets in Europe. But he will most likely be a top 3 pick in the draft so the team needs some luck to move up
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by gunnin' gervin on Apr 23, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I’ve been watching video on a lot of the foreign players because I know My Spurs like to draft those cats. I’ve seen his, Motejuneius, Vesley and Kanter’s video’s and those guys look like they can play some ball. Kanter has a slight advantage because he is a solid dudes who likes to play physical and can shoot some. Those other dudes need to add a little more bulk even JV could stand to add like 5 or 10 more pounds of muscle up top. But I’m with you on thinking that a decent amount of those guys might do decent in the NBA if they add size and strength
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by gunnin' gervin on Apr 23, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
have you not seen Kanter?
he’s huge… he can hit the midrange jumper but he can post up too… seriously man, go look up the players before you decide you don’t want them
Is Kanter really 6’10" though? I think one thing that might hinder him in the NBA is his height. He was killing those other high school kids a few years ago at that tournament but it was because of his size and physical play. In the NBA I don’t think he is gonna be able to bully players as easy. If he is a legit 6’10" or taller then he might be fine but right now I look at him like I do Sullinger from Ohio State. Both guys have some game but they might not be as good against NBA caliber guys
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by gunnin' gervin on Apr 23, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Alonzo Mourning was 6'10"
And he was A-OK wirh me when he was in Charlotte
Oh to get an Alonzo Mourning quality center in the draft
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by andrewlail76 on Apr 23, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm trying...
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by andrewlail76 on Apr 23, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree but i am asking is the guy really 6’10"? He might be shorter than that and it isn’t like he is a good athlete how Mourning was in his prime. I’m not knocking the dude at all but if he is short his game is gonna be even harder to translate in the NBA.
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by gunnin' gervin on Apr 23, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I knew what you meant
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by andrewlail76 on Apr 25, 2011 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
well if you did why did you respond the way you did?
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by gunnin' gervin on Apr 30, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
So true about getting an expiring contract for Jackson’s. Hopefully the front offices eye for talent has gotten better because if they play there cards right in this offseason it might help get the team respectable quickly. Either through trades or maybe even through this weak draft. We all gotta keep our fingers crossed
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by gunnin' gervin on Apr 23, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Good news Lucas Nogiera just declared
He would be a great pick at 19
by TS BOBCAT on Apr 23, 2011 12:26 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
he kinda raw though and he skinny as shit, not to mention he don’t speak a lick of english. lol. But if he has the right attitude he might turn out as a solid player because he long as hell and has good shoot blocking instincts from draftexpress reports
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by gunnin' gervin on Apr 23, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
He can sit behind Kwame and develop
Might be a Tyson Chandler type player
by TS BOBCAT on Apr 23, 2011 1:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If the Bobcats get him and they can get him to fill out and stop hacking he would be a nice addition. That is smart of him to enter in the draft because this draft is weak and he can get drafted way higher than what he might have gotten drafted. Not to mention if there is a lockout he can go and play in a foreign league until its resolved
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by gunnin' gervin on Apr 23, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
If we can get Jones or Leonard too
Them and Lucas would be a good draft haul for us with this draft.
by TS BOBCAT on Apr 23, 2011 8:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Am I the only one seeing
Toronto saying that Bargnani may not be their man going forward? Is he someone we would consider? What about Dragic? or How would we feel about JRich?
Let Me Ask You Guys This...
DO YOU WANT CHRIS PAUL OR WHAT?!?
I mean, looking at the series we see the interesting storyline surrounding Paul and Howard alike. The give the maximum effort. The Opposing team find a way to neutralize them both. They hope their teams can pick up the slack. The teams fail in the dissappointing final game. The Press Conferences of them both stating their dissatifaction with their respective teams. Now this poses the interesting situation, (moreso with Paul than Dwight)…CAN WE GO AFTER THEM NOW? THIS OFFSEASON? This is a scenario that I havent seen many of us even bring up. How about It? Me personally am not a big fan of Paul. But you cant deny what he has done this post-season. The thing is I’ve realized that we have the pieces to get him NOW! With Jordan claiming that he is “willing to spend money” and “this offseason we have a little flexibility”, Im thinkin maybe we have some big surprises this summer. The big thing is this: ARE WE WILLING TO GIVE BOTH OUR 1st RD PICKS FOR PAUL? Sure we are. Are we willing to give DJ Augustin to NOH? Sure we are. What about HENDO-JAX-AUGUSTIN? Weeellll…My point exactly. There are some very good FAs out there. Some that are ready to step to the big leagues. There are some ppl out there rotting on benches ready to be traded. Then there is Paul (who I can guarantee will be decimated by the Lakers from this point on)…It seems kinda far fetched. But Im thinkin MJ and Higgins have a few tricks from left field that will be pulled out this offseason. The question is are they ready to WIN NOW? or WILLING TO WAIT FOR PLAYERS TO DEVELOP and HOPEFULLY FIND STARS THROUGH THE NEXT FEW DRAFTS? We’ll See…
No way we're gonna move both DJ and Hendo for Paul
Maybe DJ and Hendo for Russell Westbrook. But not CP3. And I do hope that they pick option # 2. I’m all in for giving our young guys 1 full season to prove their game under the system of Coach Silas coz basically, we are not risking that much. Who knows, maybe Tyrus will go on play all 82 games next season and both DJ and Hendo will have MIP-like stats (19 and 11 & 22, 6, and 5; respectively). Then maybe, Dwight gets inspired by all the improvements and finally decides to play for us. And by the 2014-2015 season, we’ll have Gerald Wallace back for our first ever championship run. Sweet.
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by mikael matthews on Apr 24, 2011 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I think DJ
would be a better backup point gaurd in the NBA actually
I’m talking 6th man of the year type stuff. Were he able to get any minutes behind Paul, anyway. But imagine CP3 and DJ on the court at the same time? We play a small gaurd, large frontcourt type offense. Drool.
I totally agree on DJ being a 6th man
I just don’t think he has the quickness and strength to compete with all the Roses/Rondos/Westbrooks/etc. of the league right now. But he’ll be a solid backup point guard for any team, that’s for sure. Just a couple of tweaks in his 3pt shooting and he’ll be perfect.
How about Devin Harris instead of Paul? The guy provides much more defense, and is cheaper too (I think).
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by mikael matthews on Apr 24, 2011 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
and option number 2
is rediculously good for all three parties and immediatley let’s us refocus on the draft, while still managing to be decent
We’ll need to quickly address the SG and SF positions, and we’ll be stuck with Boris for one more year, but having Paul and Jefferson instantly makes us a target destination for free agents.
Utah takes on Diop’s contract, I dunno why they would, but at the same time, they let Jefferson go since they’re rebuilding and he doesn’t fit. They get Hendo and T-Time for basically 2 million more than they were paying before. Not bad.
Nawlins downgrades one position and upgrades another, for what probably would ultimately be a net gain for them, since Paul is gone anyway.
By "option # 2" I mean focuslja's option # 2 ("willing to wait...")
not the 2nd trade scenario in the article.
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by mikael matthews on Apr 24, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I would totally
blow up our team to land Chris Paul and Dwight Howard and then surround them with young roleplayers/draft picks
but that’s about as likely as the world ending on december 21, 2012
No way I would move Hendo
I would move DJ and Tyrus though
by TS BOBCAT on Apr 24, 2011 9:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Really? Some of You Guys are Telling Me
If the Opportunity Presented itself, You wouldnt move Hendo to get rid of JAX/Diop/Tyrus contract? IN ONE MOVE? And on top of that RECEIVE PAUL AND JEFFERSON? WHAT?!? Are you guys kidding me? Hendo is not that good. Not to Mention we get rid of 3 huge contracts, Have plenty of money to snag a worthy SF and SG. Man you guys really love Henderson (but we are fans huh)…I also like the idea of Devin Harris instead of Paul.
Lets Not 4get
7mil for Pryz is coming off the books, McGuire, Marks, Cunningham and Temple are all Coming off the books. Thats about 10mil. Lets say we do option number two. Even trades. You got Paul and Jefferson, Thats about 31mil. But you rid yourself of 28mil. So that leaves you with about 7mil to play with plus all the little technical stuff. How would our lineup look? Now if we decide on Harris instead of Paul, you get alot less but you still shed contracts…
No Hendo good
We see his talent you dont but somehow see Boris’s talent. Wht should we trade all are talent just for Paul I dont want to be the Nets.
by TS BOBCAT on Apr 24, 2011 2:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Kinda late for that. Nets Will be Better next season
Sorry Diaw (even with “lack of effort”) is better than Hendo. We are in rebuilding mode and I think there is alot of players out there that can start at the SG. I just think he is a 11-12pt type of player. Any more is a bonus. But hey if he can knockdown shots (no comparisons to wade’s percentage blah blah…) we can use him. Shooting is very important for the SG position for OUR TEAM. His learning curve better be a speedy one.
You have no patience
Let the kid develop until you say what kind of scorer or what kind of anything he is until then you are just being ignorant and dont even say im wrong because no one knows what a player will become when he has only had half a year to show you. Oh and Boris isnt that good.
How long do you suppose we keep him...
STARTING? Are we the Carolina FieldMice? No. We are not the developmental league. We are not in the business of waiting til the “fan favorite” develops. We are no longer the “expansion team”…why the hell cant he get a good 20mins a game like most developing players? Why does he get to “trial and error” on our team. Why cant we get a ready proven SG with a higher scoring acumen? And just let Hendo get valuable time off the bench. Not garbage time. Kinda like JJ Redick or how Matthews and Roy split time now? Whats wrong with that? Im not saying give him DJ White minutes or anything. He ISNT READY to start. But if we dont plan on making a run at the playoffs next season then fine let him start
You dont know how much better he will be next year, you are very unfair
You do not like Gerald it isnt that hard to see, it is hard to see why considering the guy has done nothing wrong. But there is no one we could get that will be better all the players you mention are not better they may be better in your hard head but they are not better in the real world. No we are not the dang development league but why go and get a mediocore player that you have mentioned that MIGHT be better then Gerald but probably wont and maybe make the 8th seed again just to not go anywhere it is pointless when you have a possible franchise player sitting there, it is right in front of your eyes if you will look at the talent this kid posses and stop blabbering about how this fat ass Boris Diaw can pass decent cause no one cares he still sucks because he wont play every game and why do you care about a player that doesnt care enough about you or any other fan to play hard for the city, and how we shouldnt wait for a player to develop like a good team but be stupid and make the 8th seed and get knocked out again and have used money or traded players to get these players you want so bad to just pretty much run around in circles and possibly make the 8th seed if we are lucky. That is why it is stupid to get another SG unless he is being brought in as a back up and why Gerlad Henderson is the starting SG for the Charlotte Bobcats and it will stay that way unless MJ wants to make another big mistake. None of your arguments make sense.
I understand he is a fan favorite
But he doesnt remind me or Eddie Jones, D.Wade, young Kobe, Manu Ginobili, Ray Allen. Its not that I dont like him, He’s never wronged me. I just like the BOBCATS more than individuals. Every SG that I named to START over Hendo is BETTER than HENDO and probably a yr or 2 older.I’ve named a few to come off the bench also. Sorry Nick Young and Marcus Thornton are better easily. Whats wrong with him getting 20/25mins a game. If thats not enough time to develop, what is? Im not saying he wont be better next season but he definately has alot of work to do offensively and unless he has a fast learning curve, I dont see him making a major improvement between now and then. I dont judge players by what “they may have the potential” to do and give 40mil contracts because of it. So trust I wouldnt be surprised if this is who we run with. Sadly. We ARE IN REBUILDING. NO ONE IS UNTOUCHABLE. NO ONE
Second we as fans need to realize that we cant just jump from not being in the playoffs at all to number 4 or 5. It doesnt work that way. Even with Amare and Melo on the team, isnt possible. We may have to…scratch that we WILL have to be #8 or 7 next year to be able to properly guage whatelse we need to become contenders. How do you guage that without being in the playoffs. You cant. So with that being said we need to guage what it is we NEED to ACTUALLY MAKE THE PLAYOFFS. And the answer to that is EVERYTHING. By watching the playoffs you know that INDY needs a SG. PHI needs a big and a SG. MEM needs a SF. DEN needs a “go-to” guy. You guage that by MAKING THE PLAYOFFS. So be prepared to be a 7 or 8 seed b4 being a 3 or 4 seed. Thats just how it works. We need to be a playoff team first.
We are not getting Young or Thornton though so i dont know why you are talking about them
And it doesnt take making the playoffs to know what your team needs my 5 year old nephew can see it in the regular seasons the players that arent doing good in the regular season wont do good in the playoffs why are you trying to make it sound complicated. Ill tell you what we need a SF, PF , and C. HOLY CRAP we arent in the playoffs howd id I know this am I magic? Also it is not OUR responsibility as fans to gauge other players in the playoffs to see who is good that is Michaels and the FO’s jobs we make no decisions for this team.
You're gettin Upset
And you’re not getting the point. You saw your take on what YOU think the team is lacking. (SF, PF, C right?). Thats fine. We didnt make the playoff in your opinion bc we lacked these things. But once we get in the playoffs, its a different level of competition. Take the Bulls. They went form 8th to #1. They made the playoffs. Didnt do so well. Their team was good enough to make the playoffs but not enough to go far. So they said lets add some bench depth and a PF. So now they are #1 and might compete for a championship. But guess what? Next year they know they need a more consistent SG to really be over the top. So its good you are observing team needs (whether i agree or not) BUT…in order to know what makes a CHAMPIONSHIP team (which changes ever some odd years) you have to know what 1st makes a playoff team, then what makes your team able to COMPETE in the playoffs. They are all different steps. so a #9,10,11 team DONT know have it takes to make the playoffs. Just like now INDY/PHI now know what it takes to be COMPETITIVE in the playoffs. And if they dont fill those needs, they’ll be OUT of the playoffs next season
I knew that Chicago needed a SG
Sure I did not know it would hurt them as bad as it did but everyone knew that they needed one. I knew Indy needed a SG that is why they tried to get OJ Mayo at the deadline. Maybe im not getting the point but it is always obviouse to me what a team needs I dont see why you need the playoffs to know that. Maybe to see what players can handle the pressure.
You knew that now and Last season
But on their way to the playoffs we didnt know what they needed. They just had a bunch of players with no direction. Then they got a pg to guide them. Then they got a PF and bench depth. Now to win a championship all they have to do is have a solid SG
Thats because we KNEW THEY
were a top contender this season. They can still compete for a championship but that liability at the SG will prove to be their downfall.
Well they are leading there series 3-1
Indy has just proven that they are better then they showed. I dont think you can say they cant win the championship.
LOL
don’t waste your time arguing with focuslja. It’s pointless man. LOL
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by gunnin' gervin on Apr 25, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I didnt say they CANT win the championship
Esp if they start Korver…but i dont think they can beat the Heat, Celtics…and I see them having a hard time against the Hawks bc of that liability at the SG.
I agree
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by gunnin' gervin on Apr 25, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Teams Competing for that 8th Spot...
Thanks to the Internet it isnt hard to go look at the team rosters. If you take a look at MIL, CLE, NJ, IND, PHI rosters (not to mention looking at the play of IND, PHI) you can see that most of their rosters are equal if not better than our current roster. Throw Washington in there and you really see that the Easts “race for 8” is alot closer than the Wests. While we continue to wait on the development of certain players (instead of just adding them to the depth of the team (bench)), other teams will be getting better and better, I can pretty much bet if we dont make the playoffs this season, we wont get Paul or Dwight (who we wont get anyway)…
umm
we might get paul, but we’re not getting dwight and paul, it’s impossible for us to shed our bad contracts to get the cap space
Making the playoffs and getting swept isn’t going to impress any star as much as seeing that we’re developing our youth and having the potential to be successful for more than just one season at a time.
I’m pretty sure you’re Larry Brown in disguise at this point. This is based on your “any spot in the playoff is good enough, damn the future” and your evaluation of talent. Particularly that you apparently think Kwame Brown is an MVP and Gerald Henderson doesn’t deserve to be in the NBA. I’m exaggerating, of course… I hope.
by adamcawa on Apr 24, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Im not saying that we make the playoffs and get swept
but the point yal constantly make is this:
- youth movement: let players develop. (takes more than one season right?)
- shed contracts, make cap space. (sorry but we arent goin to get much for our big contracts)
If everything goes according to plan ,those points simply mean that we dont plan on making the playoffs this upcoming season right? Now Paul is a FA this next offseason Right? Yes. We arent the only team that wants/needs him at PG right? Right. Paul wants to win a championship as all nba players do right? Right. So what makes you think that Portland (who has 8 FA…6 significant. ALL EXPENDABLE including Miller coming off the books in 2012) wont make a run at Paul. We KNOW for a fact they would be beasts with Paul. Or the LAL and KNICKS who both will have more than enough space wont be in the running. What makes you think that Paul will choose the “young rebuilding developing Bobcats” over teams that give him a legitimate chance at a championship AND can offer more money? Thats the question Im asking. Do you think he wants to “play close to home” more than he wants to win a championship? He just spent 7yrs with a developing team (that right now and next season will have a better roster than us). Im just saying be realistic. He is a FA in 2012 not 2013-14-15. What makes you think he takes a risk on sitting around waiting for us to develop for the next 3yrs when its a chance that those players might not pan out (and its never been a season or team ever that ALL their developing talent develops properly EVER) And right now for us to be better by 2012 offseason, we will have to pull off some incredible things. Free Agency doesnt last until WE GET BETTER. It last until that player is picked up. If I was consider the best pure PG in the league, you think Im coming to play for a team that has clearly stated that they are REBUILDING? NO. And none of you would either. Be honest with yourself
i don't follow you
because your second bullet point was already incorrect
i haven’t seen many people offer any legitimate proposal for shedding our contracts
you also lumped me in the “yal” group by replying to my post.
in the thread about contracts, i stated that the most likely scenario is that we trade jax… we’ll have to wait out boris, diop and carroll
finally, i’ve said numerous times that we have very little shot at landing chris paul, but if we do have a shot, the best option is to have a young, talented core of players around him that will compete for years to come. You keep suggesting we sign free agents, or trade our picks, but that only worsens our salary situation, leaving us no room to sign a Chris Paul or Dwight Howard.
You’re the one who has continually brought up us actually signing chris paul and dwight howard as a real possibility, not I.
+1 billion
I agree with everything you just said. The cats have to be careful with what type of contracts they take on if they do trades and free agent shopping. Chris Paul is pretty much a pipe dream in my humble opinion. It is gonna be super hard to get him unless they can pull off some Boston Celtics type of shit and get a few aging stars that still have some gas in the tank.
This team needs to draft well and build up that way because I think especially with those two first rounders coming up in the previous draft, there is a possibility that they could maybe grab some decent players. The beauty about drafting these young guys is that there contracts will not be outrageous also so if the team could some how shed the bad deals and draft decent they could be right back in the playoffs. Kinda like OKC
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by gunnin' gervin on Apr 25, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
U just said: “the thread about contracts, i stated that the most likely scenario is that we trade jax… we’ll have to wait out boris, diop and carroll”
that is called shedding salary. And that is going to take more than a year. Personally Im fine with Augustin. But if ppl are hellbent on getting Paul, Im just showing the scenario.
“finally, i’ve said numerous times that we have very little shot at landing chris paul, but if we do have a shot, the best option is to have a young, talented core of players around him that will compete for years to come. You keep suggesting we sign free agents, or trade our picks, but that only worsens our salary situation, leaving us no room to sign a Chris Paul or Dwight Howard”
We DONT have a chance at getting PAUL at all. Unless “playing close to home” is bigger than winning a ring. He is a FA in 2012. Whoever gets him will probably signing him to a big long contract. Correct? And it takes more than a season to “have a young, talented core of players around him that will compete for years to come”. We dont have that kinda time or (even with the draft) that kinda talent. So what Im showing is we WONT get Paul. Unless we wait til like 2017 to make a run for a championship.
why do you assume we need paul
to become a championship team?
there are plenty of young notable restricted free agents for 2012-2013. Derrick Rose, Eric Gordon, Roy Hibbert, Kevin Love, Russell Westbrook, JaVale McGhee, Brook Lopez, OJ Mayo
and plenty of veterean unrestricted, Ray Allen, Kevin Garnett, Jason Kidd, Raymond Felton, David West, Vince Carter, Steve Nash, Marcus Camby, Andre Miller, Tim Duncan
You keep forgetting that we can’t sign free agents if we don’t have money. We can’t get money unless we get rid of our bad contracts. The only way we’re doing that is by waiting them out, with the exception of Jax.
And techincally, OKC took one season to get good through the draft and select free agent signings.
OKC, Denver and even the Cavs after they drafted Durant, Westbrook, Melo and Lebron almost immediately turned into playoff teams. Denver went to the playoffs the same year they drafted Melo, Cavs went a year after getting Bron and OKC went like 2 seasons after drafting those two guys. It can and has happened in the past. I’m not saying any of the guys in this draft class look like superstars right off the bat, but you never know man.
One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.
by gunnin' gervin on Apr 25, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Which one of the players in the draft will be as good as Russel Westbrook?
None. It doesnt matter which PG we pick. They wont leave to come here? All of them will be resigned. I wouldnt mind having Mayo tho. Why sign any of the veterans other than Felton? They’re done. Nor will any Celtics leave Bos unless they are retiring. Kidd/Nash will probably go to a contender to get a ring THAT season. Tim Duncan will retire a Spur. West is a FA this season I thought. No one wants Vince. Rose isnt leaving CHI. We have an honest chance at only Mayo, Love, MaGee…and I doubt Love gets passed up by a contender. That just leaves Mayo and McGee. I dont think we NEED Paul. Im good with Augustin. Im just showing the realism of the only chance we have of convincing him to come here.
yeah it is gonna be hard to get Paul to the cats. damn near impossible
One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.
by gunnin' gervin on Apr 25, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
one can dream
One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.
by gunnin' gervin on Apr 26, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
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