Free Agency and Salaries
by adamcawa on Apr 20, 2011 12:49 PM EDT
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None of us can predict what is going to happen with the CBA, but by all accounts, the salary cap is certainly going to lower. I cannot picture the salary cap decreasing below the 2006 mark of 53 million, however. So for this excersize, we'll us the 53 million mark as a hard cap for us, since MJ certainly isn't going over it. Keep in mind that the rookie exceptions and the non-Bird exceptions won't count against us if we do go over.
Here is a list of 2011-2012 Free Agents.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=FreeAgents-11-12
The Charlotte Bobcats are on the hook for slightly under 50 million next season. That doesn't leave much wiggle room does it? That also only includes a roster of 10. (Thank you Michael Jordan). We're most probably going to resign Kwame Brown and Dominic McGuire. We could sign both of them for the vet's minimum, but Kwame I think earned his non-Bird exception of a 20% raise, which is a little more than the current vet's min for a 10 year player. Since salaries are expected to come down across the board, I can only assume that vet's min contracts will as well, but for the sake of argument, we'll use this current season's salaries. McGuire will get a little under 1 million for next season, Kwame would get about 1.5 million. However, since we smartly used the non-Bird exception on Kwame Brown, which unlike Bird exceptions and early-Bird exceptions has no time restraints, Kwame's 1.5 million doesn't count. That leaves us with 12 players and 2 million to sign 3 of them.
Actually, it doesn't. It leaves us with 2 million to sign ONE player. Why? Because that rookie exception I mentioned doesn't count against us. We have three draft picks, but the second rounder isn't likely to be more than an NBDL player. Our two first rounders, though? Well they're probably keepers. Even if we pay them whatever next year's rookie scale is, it won't matter. So there's two more players, rookies, to fill up spots. That leaves us 2 million to sign one player to give us our 15 player max.
Worst case scenario, of all of the incoming free agents, who would you think we could sign for 2 million? Unfortunately, we don't qualify for the MLE (as far as I understand it) because we won't be over the cap once the offseason begins. Ironically, if MJ hadn't been so adamant about being under the cap this year, we would have more wiggle room next year. Of course, that's easy to say as a fan when the money isn't coming out of my own pocket.
Starting lineup: Augustin, Henderson, Jackson, Thomas/Diaw, Diaw/Kwame - potentially small lineup, but I can't bear another season of Thomas on the bench, with what we're paying him.
I wouldn't mind seeing T-Mac come to Charlotte, just to put some butts in the seats. He made less than 2 million this season for the Pistons.
Best case scenario? We trade both Diaw and Jax, or Diaw decides to sign with a contender (haha that totally sounds like Diaw doesn't it?) and turns down his 9 million. However we gotta get rid of them, their is no reason to have them around when the plan is to start young and rebuild. That gives us 20 million to play with (Jax + Diaw + 2 million aformentioned) to sign three players. Now things start to get fun.
Rosterbate to your heart's content, folks.
Starting lineup: Augustin, Henderson, Free Agent, Thomas, Free Agent
Most likely scenario?
Jax can offer a team out there looking for punch at the 2 or 3. (I'm looking at you New Jersey) He has to be traded this offseason. Even though I'd rather see Diaw gone, I don't think teams can justify paying 9 million to someone who wouldn't start on most teams in the NBA. At least Jackson is a starter and an upgrade to a lot of teams at either of those positions.
That leaves us about 11 million (a little more actually) to spend on two free agents. It also means we're gonna need a SF.
Starting lineup: Augustin, Hendo, Thomas/Free Agent, Diaw/Thomas, Kwame/Diaw
So taking each scenario (or maybe you're own, maybe you think we trade Augustin or something), 2 million, 20 million and 11 million, what free agents out there based on that list and our needs do you think we should/could sign?
Also, if I made any mistakes in my salary cap language/rules, please let me know.
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to answer my own question
2 million – T-Mac
20 million – Kirilenko, Dalembert, T-Mac
11 million – Jamal Crawford, Big-Z or Kirilenko,T-Mac
Of course, the latter two presume we trade either one of or both of Jax and Diaw, and really it would depend who they are traded for. I can only envision us getting Diaw off the books if we package a draft pick with him somehow, or at least agree to pay for some of his salary. Maybe 3 million of the 9, which is still much better than 9 million. I can see another team thinking Diaw is worth 6 million. So feel free to propose some trade ideas as well, keeping in mind of player salaries and the future cap.
It all may be moot, though, we could have a lockout. Heck, that would be the best thing for us, really. We could potentially have a lot of room in 2012-2013. In fact, if a lockout looms, it could be in our best interest to cut Jackson, only having to pay him for the upcoming season, freeing up tons of room in 2012-2013 to do whatever we want. That would be interesting, to say the least.
Considering that ESPN list was updated yesterday,
and that Nazr is still listed as a Bobcat,…………of course why am I not surprised.
I’ve went to the NBA trade generator to see what is good for JAX…and nothing is. I mean we can get money to add up but those trades are unrealistic. The only way I see us moving JAX is with a first rd pick. I hope we do but I dont know if we will. I dont even see who would be a prime candidate except maybe CLE and I think they are attempting to get younger.
I actually think Diaw is easier to trade than JAX
He’s under 30. He is a PF who can pass and shoot the longball. He isnt great at Rebounding and banging down low but he is good at it. I could see Diaw coming in behind KG or Starting for Orlando in the Lewis role, backing up Scola/Amare/Beasley/Dirk making all of those teams better. Even San Antonio. I think he can opt out this offseason and go to the contender and thats money off the books. I personally would hate to see him go. But it would be interesting to see what the FO does with the extra bread
Diaw might be better in certain situations...
But I think Jackson has a broader appeal at large. His temper aside, his passion for the game and his teammates is never in doubt. He also has championship experience going back to his days with the Spurs. Diaw, however, is versatile to a fault. He is the definition of jack of all trades, master of none. That’s hard to sell your coach or GM on at his salary.
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by MichaelProcton on Apr 20, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't imagine many teams are going to want to pay
9 million dollars, in a lowered cap year, to a PF who probably shouldn’t start and has questionable desire, not to mention you never know what Boris you’re going to get from game to game
With Jax, you know exactly what you’re getting. Plenty of teams could use the competitive and offensive boost he brings, as well as his defensive improvement. In an offense that relies on efficiency and open looks, he could excel.
As I'm aware...
- Any team can use the MLE at any time, divided between as many players as they want.
- To assign a player to the D-League would require us to sign them to the roster, taking one of those spots.
Also, I don’t see how McGrady will “sell tickets.” With a better Pistons team than the year before, their attendance dropped from 84.9% capacity to 75.5% capacity in his first year there.
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Detroit are a historical Basketball City
We arent. Any big name or exciting player (t-Will) will put extra booties in seats.
...so a "historical Basketball City" is less interested in seeing exciting players than a city that simply doesn't care?
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by MichaelProcton on Apr 24, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
a "historical basketball city"
CARE about their team winning as all fans but, even during the trouble times, their fans are still there in abundance. Look at Golden State and POR even b4 the playoff runs. You never see Bobcats fans all dressed in the same color during regular season games. Detroit, Laker, NY,Bos fans will be there in the terrible seasons and the great ones. We’ve never had a great one but even when we made the playoffs, we didnt really rally behind our team when we made shots…
...then why did they fall in attendance?
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by MichaelProcton on Apr 24, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
they may've fan isnt a loyalist
but I bet they probably had more fans during this losing season than we did in the playoffs. I didnt look it up(you probably will) but Im willing to bet
i had to use wikipedia for my knowledge about exceptions
it said that a team had to be over the cap going into the offseason to sign a player to the MLE
if that isn’t the case, then that’s great!
I thought
once you send a player to the d-league you are allowed to replace him?
No, that player counts as one of the 3 inactive players on the roster.
D-league rules for player assignments can be found here (rules for the current season)
Following these blogs:
http://www.rufusonfire.com, http://tradestreetpost.com, http://www.ridiculousupside.com, http://www.inhistoric.com
thank you for that information
although, really, what is the point of signing a second rounder in this draft anyway?
we’re much better off trading the pick for anything… cash even lol
Math Correction
According to ShamSports, the Bobcats will owe $50.1M to ten players next year. Assuming they draft at #9 and #19. Last year rookie contracts to those two picks started at $2.4M and $1.4M. So that locks in 12 players at $53.6M, and that means Jordan will have to pay more than $53M, short of a rollback of player salaries.
The last couple roster spots are likely to be offered to expiring vets (Kwame and Dante). If those guys get better offers, then the 2nd round pick and other minimum contract vets will fill out the roster. That leaves a team payrole around $55 – 58M, or right around the current salary cap. Not very exciting to think about, but bringing back Kwame and Dante would make for a solid off-season.
rookie exceptions
do not go against us, which is why i didn’t include their salaries
it’s irrelevent where we draft or how much we pay them
we’ll us the 53 million mark as a hard cap for us, since MJ certainly isn’t going over it.
A hard cap implies there are no exceptions. Rookies count toward the cap, especially if the cap is self imposed by the owner. If you meant the NBA salary cap would be $53M, then yes, the Bobcats would have the Rookie Exceptions, the MLE and Early Bird Rights to Cunningham in order to sign free agents and exceed the cap. Based on recent actions, I doubt Charlotte will do more than try to bring back Kwame and Dante on relatively cheap deals.
Not sure if you are correct there in regards to Rookie Contracts being counted adamcawa
The couple of sites I looked at say that there are cap holds for first round draft picks once we have picked them even if they haven’t been signed, and since we have the July Moratorium in the NBA we will have picked before we can start trading / signing free agents.
Shamsports Draft Pick Capholds
Larry Coons NBA Salary Cap Guide- See question 44
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according to the info i got
we can sign our rookies no matter what and still go over the cap as long as we’re not in luxury status
when i say “with no penalty” i should be more clear in that, we’re allowed to over the cap by NBA rules as long as we don’t exceed the luxury tax threshold
You can sign first round draft picks regardless of your cap/luxury tax status
That is protected under the rookie exception.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Apr 22, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
right
but once you sign them, their salary still goes against the tax correct?
I believe so.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 22, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
The luxury tax number is the most important thing
So even if the cap falls to 53 million, the luxury tax number will probably be around 64 million. So as long as the CBA doesn’t drastically change things, we have some money and exceptions to work with. But who knows how the CBA will change the financial landscape.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Apr 20, 2011 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 21, 2011 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I Think This Is an Interesting Article
Its Written by a writer so its not written in the stars. But It does provide some pretty good ideas… http://bleacherreport.com/articles/669943-free-agency-summer-2011-predicting-each-players-fate
I'm betting he is WAY off on his assessment for the Bobcats
Any of us on this site could have done a better job than that.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Apr 20, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah he's off on a few things
no way we resign temple
no way miami offers more than vet’s min for kwame, thus no reason for him not to resign with the bobcats since he’s already stated he wants to return
i’d be thrilled if diaw left but honestly he’d be dumb to not get paid his 9 million since no one will likely offer him anything but the MLE
Well
Its Written by a writer just like some of us. I dont agree with everything but Denver is a large market. And its no way YOU’LL pay for Diaw. Not them. He still has good numbers left in him in the right kind of offense, which Denvers would be. I dont think we make any mega deals this offseason and I could see us grabbing a Mike Pietrius. I wouldnt want to resign Temp but I could see us doing it (I mean we did pay Tyrus 40mil off potential alone) I dont see it being farfetched. I think someone on this site could do a better job from this site but I saw this as totally unbiased and realistic
With Kwame
He isnt getting THAT MUCH. Miami can afford to give him 2mil. No sweat off their back. They are in need of a big man and Kwame proved that he can be a force. He’s been in the league 10yrs and is still 28. He could prove to be what they need bc he is EASILY better than every big man on their roster. He has expressed he wants to return but that doesnt mean ANYTHING at all. If a team like MIA is willing to give you a starting position you take it. Its an honor. Its not written in the stars but it is realistic, I mean they did get Dampier as soon as we dropped him.
Kwame, "easily better?"
I think not. Would you really rather start him in the playoffs over Ilgauskas, or even Anthony?
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by MichaelProcton on Apr 24, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes...
They rebound at the same rate. And Kwame is the better offensive player (wow). I dont think Kwame plays at the energy level that Anthony does but he’s better. If you give Kwame the whole season playing around the MIA roster, he would prove to be alot better than Anthony.
I don't think it's THAT crazy we'd resign Temple.
We’re always looking for a 3rd PG, and he’s not awful.
And yes, Miami could easily pay Kwame a few mil for several years. He isn’t special, but he’s probably better than anybody else they have at center.
And while Diaw wouldn’t get $9 mil, he could definitely do something like 20/3.
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by MichaelProcton on Apr 24, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
We can be realistic too. But ...
1) No chance Diaw and his bulging waistline turns down a $9 million option with a lockout looming
2) He used the phrase, “Charlotte used to be a strong team.” What year was that because I must have missed it?
3) I doubt we’ll see any more of McGuire or Temple
4) If Przybilla wants to return home, he’ll sign with Milwaukee. He may have been born in Minnesota but his family lives in Milwaukee
5) And while not totally unfathomable, Kwame to Miami seems like a long shot to me. And your comment that “Kwame proved that he can be a force” is a major stretch on the definition of force. He proved that he is somewhat serviceable.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Apr 20, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
With the new CBA
There’s no telling how much Miami can give anyone.
Bleacher Report is a big, steaming pile of garbage.
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by MichaelProcton on Apr 24, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The only problem I have with your strategy is T-Mac.
I don’t know if he can bring a change to this team on the court or in the seats, but I have to admit, he was somewhat impressive this year in Detroit.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 21, 2011 8:37 AM EDT reply actions
he can still shoot
he’s not much for anything else anymore, but at one time he was the most popular player in the nba even over kobe (based on jersey sales), so i imagine there’s some interest out there
Detroit’s number declined for a heckuva lot more reasons than the product the Pistons put on the floor. Even the Redwings have low(er) attendance.
I'd rather have Azibuike backing up Hendo.
He is still fairly young and was having a allstar season in GS b4 he got hurt.
can't imagine we'll get him for
under 2 million, depending on the new cba
Well with the injury
I dont think he would have much of an tug a war with a team trying to acquire him. He should pretty much know now that he wont be starting ANYWHERE next season and would really have to “re-prove” himself on a bench to go hunting for a bigtime contract in the 2012-13 season…
do we need another player
who has to “reprove” himself? We already had Liv.
I didn’t know this, but he just had a second knee surgery back in March. That does greatly depreciate his value. I think we need more proven players, and there are some out there.
Having thought that out, even though T-Mac played 72 games, and sat out a few for rest rather than injury, he was bothered by little things all year and has only gotten older. Fans aren’t going to come see someone who isn’t dressed for the game because of injury.
Of course, I’m assuming he’s gonna play sparingly with us, anyway, given Hendo’s youth and ability to handle heavy minutes.
Please no T-Mac
Had Azibuike not got injured, NO WAY IN HELL he would sit behind Hendo. T-Mac wouldnt come here bc he probably wants to spend the last lil bit of his career on a contender. I like the idea of having Air France on the squad tho. He could provide valuable minutes. I wish I knew at least something about what we plan on doing with JAX and DIAW, That would explain alot and answer alot of questions. Its hard to really make suggestions or predictions when you dont know about what the team is gonna do with our two best players…
That had a lot more to do with the Chinese market than overall popularity.
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by MichaelProcton on Apr 24, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
He wasn't awful, but he's certainly a different player than he used to be.
Much better distributor than I would have ever given him credit for as an unrepentant gunner. Still, I’d guess he’s looking for more than the $1.3 mil he played for this year.
Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.
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by MichaelProcton on Apr 24, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
My Campaigns for 2011-12 Season
These are my top 10 FAs that could fit our team. Depending on what happens with Jax and Diaw (which I keep saying) These are my top 10 and Why they can Help the Squad.
10. Von Wafer: This man can put up points in a minute. Period. He has sat behind several HOFs and I think he’s ready to play. He brings energy, good perimete defender and he can shoot lights out. We probably can get him for next to nothing. This is the JR Smith w/o the attitude (and the contract) or Jesus Shuttlesworth V.2
09. Kwame Brown: There are not many Natural Centers in the NBA. Guys he rebound, block, and get most points off of puybacks and dunks. This season, Kwame proved that he is MENTALLY ready to be a natural center. He is still young and even though his past precedes him, he WILL be sought after by contenders. Bos, NY, MIA
08. Hilton Armstrong: 6’11, 235. I think he will be a great backup and affordable. I dont see him getting many offers for other teams but he is still young and I always thought he had good potential (back from his Hornets days). He has had limited minutes recently but he could hold down the bench position behind whoever we decide to start
07. Reggie Evans: This works only if we find a taker for Diaw. Chances are we wont move Tyrus so having Reggie’s stellar ability to rebound (esp offensively) is something we would need coming off the bench. He is a tough defender and very strong. Rebounds galore.
06. Keleena Azibuike: He is the wild card. Bothered by knee injuries, he became more of a risk for the NY Knicks. Reports show he will be ready to go next season. This man was allstar caliber from every angle. He shoots well and plays above the rim. He is so high because of the production B4 the injury. He reminds me of a Joe Johnson. But again that Injury can prove to be a risk.
05. Samuel Dalembert: Pure Center. Simple and Plain. He is a big body and rebounds very well. There arent many Natural Centers and I think he could be a steal of FA. He will be affordable next season but he will also be very sought after. He is a veteran and his has very good hands. In a conference/league that lacks pure centers, this is a gamble worth taking.
04. Glen Davis: This one is iffy. Not because of his talent but bc chances are he will remain in Bos. We all know what Big Baby can do. He is a big body. He moves well with the ball for a man his size. He is a pesky defender and can hit the 18fter with consistency. Not to mention he plays with tremendous heart and energy.
03. Mike Peitrus: Need I say more? Peitrus is an all-around player. And very underrated. He provides a spark of ANY team. Depending on what we do with JAX, I think he can easily step in the starting role and be effective. But unlike alot of players, he is even more dangerous coming off the bench. He would be the leader of the bench actually. Think about Livingston, Azibuike/Wafer and Pietrus…
02: Jeff Green: Now this quy is the same as Big Baby. Boston is looking to have a young bench as their HOFers begin to dwindle. Again he will be highly sought after. Depending on what we do with JAX he can be our future. He is a guy who can be a major player in the future of the NBA. And Charlotte could prove to be the place to shine.
01. Caron Butler: Yep I said it. The thing about him is he can be #1 or Honorable Mention. I think he will be ready to start as the season begins. Dallas probably wont be calling him back with so many players coming off the books this offseason. Not to mention the contract they just gave to Corey Brewer who is Butler’s “poor man version”. We’ve seen what he can do in the leadership position. He moves well with and without the ball, plays grueling defense, and shoots the 3 very well. Again depending on what we do with JAX, this is OUR GUY…
Nice...
I like it.
I’d be happy picking up Dalembert, Kwame at C(waive Diop), then pick up Butler, and then I’d like Wafer, or Pietrus…
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by andrewlail76 on Apr 23, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
And its all possible
We probably only be able to move Diop at the deadline. Or we can waive him bc his contract will be an expriring one. But having Butler will only work if we can move Diaw Jax or Stromile (which is least likely)…Because none of those players require a big time contract. Imagine
PG: Augustin/Livingston
SG: Hendo/Wafer or Azibuike
SF: JAX/Pietrus or Butler/Pietrus
PF: Tyrus/Diaw-White or Tyrus/Evans-White
C: Dalembert/Kwame
I believe we can move Diaw and a pick
to move up in the draft…
I could see Minnesota doing that…
Imagine if we moved Diaw, Jax, and a pick to Minnesota for their higher pick, and rights to Rubio…
Pipe dream? Yes…
But it would still be cool…
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by andrewlail76 on Apr 23, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Ehhh...
I know most of you guys arent as big on Diaw as I am but, if we decide to move Diaw for a higher pick, I hope to God Reggie Evans is our PF pickup. DJ White just doesnt do it for me…
I like white...
Tyrus needs to grow up, and I’d love to get Reggie Evans…Maybe waive Najera?
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by andrewlail76 on Apr 25, 2011 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions
It's possible...
But those $2.6 mil are still getting spent whether he’s on the roster or not. So you’re going to have to add that number to whoever we get to replace him.
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by MichaelProcton on Apr 25, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
then send Rubio and the pick for Chris Paul or Westbrook..
Perfect.
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by mikael matthews on Apr 24, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
And Henderson for Kobe, and Cunningham for Durant!
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by MichaelProcton on Apr 24, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
You forgot Kwame for Dwight, and Tyrus for Aldridge!
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by mikael matthews on Apr 25, 2011 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Why would Minnesota want a mediocre, expensive veteran?
He’s hardly going to inspire his teammates to work harder.
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by MichaelProcton on Apr 24, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
We're not buying out Diop
He has a $7.4 million player option for 2012-13 so it would cost over $14 million to buy him out. Better get used to seeing him for a few years.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Apr 23, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
This is true...
I thought his contract expired in 2012 though. Idk about finding takers for Matt Carroll. I think he may be kinda easy to move bc he can shoot. He can be used anywhere. His contract may be a lil much for what he’s done recently but Najera, Diop. and Carrol all come off the books in 2012. I still think JAX contract can be moved if package with one of our first rd picks
Diop and Carroll have expensive player options for 2013
And they will most certainly exercise them because Diop isn’t getting $7.3 million elsewhere and Carroll isn’t getting $3.5 million elsewhere. We’re stuck with both of them for 2 more years and they have basically no trade value.
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/charlotte.htm
And personally, I wouldn’t give up any first round picks to move Jax. If MJ told everyone the reason we moved Wallace was to get draft picks and then turns around and unloads those draft picks just to get rid of another productive player’s salary, he will be crucified. Ain’t happening partner.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Apr 23, 2011 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
You think so?
I wouldnt crucify him. If he uses them to get rid of JAX,TYRUS, or Diaw’s contract then so be it. U know how much production is available for 11mil freed up cap space? I think having that kind of money available for FAs is alot more valueable than any player in the draft. Diop will be here until its over Im sure. All we can hope is that he gets back in shape and can give us at least a decent game here and there. But Caroll on the other hand is icewater. I’d rather have him than DJ White. But I think Caroll can be packaged with JAX and the picks. Or Maybe not. I wouldnt mind moving him for a T-Will (lol), Kleiza, Jason Thompson…Their contracts basically match Caroll’s. Not to mention all those teams need a shooter AND none of those guys are playing anyway
I'd be more inclined to give up a draft pick to unload Carroll or Diop than Jax
At least he can play. Personally, I think there is zero market for Carroll or Diop unless we take back garbage.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Apr 23, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Kleiza?
Its not like he plays that much. You are right, there is no market for Carroll. That may be our best chance to move him. Not to mention is still pretty young and can offer alot to our team
A lot?
A three point shot once a week?
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by MichaelProcton on Apr 24, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Caroll has a better shot of being traded
than Diop or Diaw
He didn’t play often, but when he did play, he played well. And, from the small sample size, looks to have improved on D considerably over the last two seasons.
How much produciton is available for that kind of cap space?
Oh, wait, the exact same kind we’d be getting rid of.
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by MichaelProcton on Apr 24, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Jordan will NOT pay $7 mil for Diop not to play here.
Hell, he wouldn’t waive Przybilla just so he could collect on the contract’s insurance.
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by MichaelProcton on Apr 24, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
We will NEVER wave Diop.
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by MichaelProcton on Apr 24, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree...and we shouldnt
for 7mil you MAKE that s.o.b get on the court and play even while he hurt lol
HOLD ON A MINUTE
Let the league get their new CBA working first and the rest should fall into place.
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by chris in union county on Apr 24, 2011 10:14 PM EDT reply actions
A dose of reality
Guys, there is NO quick fix here. Let me explain what’s going to happen.
This summer, we will draft 2 players (hopefully we’ll pick wisely) and sign/re-sign a few young players on the cheap, maybe Kwame and Cunningham.
Next season we’ll play lots of young guys. You’ll see DJ/Hendo/Cunningham?/Tyrus/White and our 2 draft picks play a ton of minutes. We’ll lose a lot of games and pick in the lottery again next season.
Next summer, only Diaw and Najera come off the books so that only frees up 11 million. Draft wisely again and keep developing young guys.
The summer of 2013, we roll Jax, Carroll, and Diop off the books. Then (AND ONLY THEN) do we have the ability and cash to strike. If we draft wisely the next 2 years, we may only need to land one decent free agent to put us in the mix.
But let’s be honest with ourselves here, we cannot fast track this process or we’ll be stuck in the same hole forever. There is no reason to trade draft picks for marginal players. This team has to get its finances in order and patiently roll these stupid contracts off the books instead of trading bad contracts for more bad contracts like Larry Brown kept doing. Honestly, we should look at what the Knicks did in the last 5 years. They finally had to give up and acknowledge the only way out of their mess was to stop trading crap for crap and just let the crap expire eventually. It’s finally cleared up for them and they drafted fairly well (even though they traded most of it away) and it put them in a position to finally strike. We should do the same, although playoffs for the next two years is probably a stretch.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Apr 25, 2011 9:56 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
trying to be as realistic as possible
yours is the worst case scenario, except you’re forgetting that 11 million could go considerably farther in the new CBA than it does now
The most likely thing to happen is that we’ll trade Jax and our second rounder during the draft for someone’s expiring albatross. Focus mentioned ATL being an option, which I disagreed with at first, but in hindsight might make sense if Jackson plays the SF position, Smith the PF and Horford C. So we take on Hinrich’s 8 million. This is just one example. Maybe we set up a three team deal with Chicago. Maybe we nab Posey from the Pacers. Terry from the Mavs. The point is, there are teams that could use Jax that have bad contracts they would want to rid themselves of. Worse contracts than Jax even. It doesn’t matter if we take on more money than Jax makes as long as it’s an expiring. Heck, if we take on less money, it doesn’t have to necessarily be an expiring.
Everyone understands that next season is a lost cause for us and we should honestly be aiming for the a top 3 pick. So after next season, we’re looking at a high lottery pick and somewhere around between 15-20 million dollar mark coming off the books, depending on whether we get an expiring for Jax or not.
And let’s not forget that Diop and Carroll will both be expiring contracts going into the 2012-2013 season. They could be vaulable trade chips. Teams will be willing to trade us someone who makes less, freeing up even more room. Hell if they make the same amount as Diop, they surely can’t be as unproductive as him.
But what would we do with that cap space?
Stars don’t sign with teams coming off top-three pick seasons.
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by MichaelProcton on Apr 25, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
ideally, our lottery picks turn into "stars"
And considering 20 million would probably be a considerable amount to work with, plenty of “stars” go where the money is.
Even then, being as hopeful as possible, we move up this year and get one of the “real” NBA players. That gives them a season to develop.
then next year’s draft looks pretty promising, maybe we get Harrison Barnes or something, who knows, but it’s sure to be more talented than this current one.
couple that with budding stars in DJ and Hendo (who hopefully, despite a losing season, will continue to grow and won’t be hindered too much by lack of talent) and I see a young core that free agents would be willing to come to
im just saying
the outlook isn’t so bleak
Of course, given MJ’s track record, I’m probably a fool to be even a little optimistic. We’ll probably end up with some tall, lanky and ultimately injury prone center and some undersized gaurd.
the Knicks
weren’t doing anything either and managed to sign a few decent players
granted, we don’t have the allure of NYC, but money is money
They signed one, Amare.
They also had the allure of employing his former coach, a giant media market, and the potential of attracting Carmelo Anthony in a trade-and-sign. We have none of the above in relation to anybody.
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by MichaelProcton on Apr 25, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you just realized Primoz's comment is not the worst case scenario
It’s merely the most likely current operating plan for the Bobcats, but who knows how long MJ will stick with it. The worst case scenario would involve the team drafting poorly for a few years before bottoming out, which results in a couple high lottery picks that seem to signal a new start. But then management overestimates the progress made and short circuits the rebuilding with quick fix trades. And a couple years later the process of cost cutting begins again, and the team struggles through a decade or more of losing basketball under incompetent management. Rebuilding can have many pitfalls, and even marginal success is not guaranteed.
You could make a case that plan is the best case scenario
Like you said, trying to shortcut the process could make it much much worse. The only thing I could see happening 1/2 year earlier than what I listed is that we could swing a deal at the deadline in 2013 and move some of the expirings (Jax, Carroll, Diop), a young player, or draft picks to land the guy we want. But we just sit back, don’t spend, and try to draft wisely the next 2 offseasons.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Apr 26, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
we'll move jax this offseason
i’m pretty confident about that
even if it means we stay at the 9th and trade away our 19th
There are teams that could use him, he no longer fits what we’re trying to do, and with the new CBA coming, will take up a huge chunk of our salary cap. Whether we take on an expiring albatross or get rid of a draft pick, or even both, we HAVE to trade him this offseason.
I think the tightening under the new CBA makes it LESS likely another team will take on Jax
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by Bring Back Primoz on Apr 26, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree, a Jax trade prior to a new CBA seems unlikely
He’s exactly the type of player a team doesn’t want to be stuck with heading into the new CBA.
Bingo
That’s the point of this debate. Most of the players everyone wants to trade (or give away even) are virtually untradeable. We’re stuck with our bad decisions for Jax, Diaw, Carroll, Diop, etc.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Apr 26, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
but on the other side of things
it makes those “really” bad contracts, ala antawn jamison, more pressing… i think teams will be willing to do whatever it takes to shed contracts just so they don’t have to pay the luxury tax, especially notoriously cheap teams
I'm cool with Diaw.
His contract and play will open up some options for us. I think we’ll get a decent return for him from someone if we do decide to move him.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 26, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
i meant
worst case scenario for this offseason, not down the road
Just so it's spelled out for me:
All those expiring contracts end in 2013 for us, yes?
And CP and Dwight Howard become FA in 2012?
I know it’s a pipe-dream to get those two, but as a fan I want to dream. :-P I’d at least like to know if the years line up or not.
by Tim Rudisill on Apr 26, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
techincally, both could become free agents
in 2013 if they wanted as they both have forms of players options
it actually might make fiscal sense for them, too, since next year they (most likely) won’t get paid as much given the new CBA. Deron Williams is most certainly resigning with New Jersey for that same reason. If the new CBA is gonna be lowered as much as it is rumored to, then you have to reasonably assume the most they could get would be comparable, so they’re gonna drop from 17 million to like 13-14 million, most probably on a backloaded deal. It all comes down to what is most important to them.
There are just as many reasons for both Dwight and Paul (and Deron) to stay with their respective teams as to go elsewhere.
Absolutely.
This franchise was off to a great, patient start under Bickerstaff, but we saw how easily such progress can be destroyed once Jordan came on board and started to sign up his yes men to run things.
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by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
This, a million times over.
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by MichaelProcton on Apr 25, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
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