"What would it take to make Paul a Bobcat?"
The title of the article was borrowed from a Tom Sorensen Charlotte Observer article that missed one point.
(Tom Sorensen Charlotte Observer Article published 4/20/11)
Lose the last game of the 2004-2005 season and Chris Paul was there for the taking for the Bobcats.
During the 2004-2005 season, New Orleans and Charlotte tied with the 2nd worst records in the NBA with 18-64 records. It didn't have to be that way. The Detroit Pistons with the 2nd best record in the conference were in town for the last game of the season. The Bobcats went all out and scored a 9 point victory against the Pistons. This left the Bobcats in a tie with New Orleans. Before the draft lottery, New Orleans and Charlotte had a coin flip to determine draft order should both miss out on the first three picks. New Orleans won the flip. Odds are that at least one of us would win one of the first three picks. After all Charlotte and New Orleans were tied for the 2nd worst records in the NBA. Atlanta was worst with a record of 13-69.
As the lottery balls were drawn, Milwaukee with the 6th worst overall record moved up and won the 1st pick in the draft. The 2nd pick went to Atlanta. Then Utah with the 4th worst record scored the #3 pick. This left New Orleans with the 4th pick and Charlotte with the 5th pick. The rest is history.
#1 Milwaukee - Andrew Bogut
#2 Atlanta - Marvin Williams
#3 Utah - Deron Williams
#4 New Orleans - Chris Paul
#5 Charlotte - Raymond Felton
#6 Portland - Martell Webster
#7 Toronto - Charlie Villanueva
#8 New York - Channing Frye
#9 Golden State - Ike Diogu
#10 LA Lakers - Andrew Bynum
#11 Orlando - Fran Vazquez
#12 LA Clips - Yaroslav Korolev
#13 Charlotte - Sean May
#14 Minnesota - Rashad McCants
Looking at 2005 draft, there were a few prizes and plenty of busts. Picking Raymond Felton at #5 appears to have been a smart move at the time and even now. If the Bobcats won the #2 pick we could have ended up with Marvin Williams. Even the Sean May pick doesn't look as stupid considering the other NBA busts that were drafted around him. There were rumors that New Orleans offered pick #4 for our picks #5 and #13. Chis Paul was rated slightly ahead of Raymond Felton and the Bobcats wanted him. However, the Bobcats weren't about to give up two high first round picks to take a chance that Chris Paul may become a better NBA player.
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With drafts,

It’s always easy to look back in hindsight and declare “we should have done this” or “that” or “such and such would have been such a better pick.” The draft is the draft. It’s a lottery. There’s no real science to it. Yes, more often than not, higher picks will usually and/or eventually translate to great players, but not always.
I think it’s unfair at times for fans to castrate their teams years after a draft just because a player didn’t pan out.
With the 2005 draft, I think we made the right choice. We had two high draft picks and selected two good college players fresh off from a NCAA ring. One worked out well, and the other….well, we all know how that went.
This is an interesting topic, Ft. Mill, because this year’s draft puts us in a similar situation, with the major difference being that our second pick is higher up. At this point in time, I’m not entirely sure what we should do, although I’m leaning towards just keeping both picks. We’ll get two players who we can work on for the next few seasons. Some of the guys I’m seeing in the top few spots just don’t scream “trade 2 picks for me!” but, lol, as the 2005 draft shows, you just never know….
As a side note, and I’m sure many other teams are looking into this, but unless Kahn is really crazy, there’s no way Minnesota is going to want to draft more young players. Their roster is littered with young talent; they need some veteran players. Something’s got to happen on this front, I would imagine.
Sean May was ALWAYS going to flop out of the league.
He was lazy and undedicated to the game, and it showed from day one.
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by MichaelProcton on Apr 20, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
amen to that
i cringed when the bobcats drafted him, especially when you think about Danny Granger and David Lee
Both were projected as lottery picks on most mock drafts and both fell out of the lottery, Lee all the way to 30th
by adamcawa on Apr 20, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree. As a Carolina fan, I knew his work ethic was subpar.
I thought his game would transition better to the NBA, but I was wrong about that part.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 21, 2011 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions
By the way, I may be the only person who caught the "Captain Hindsight" pic
Very well done indeed!
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by Bring Back Primoz on Apr 20, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I caught it, too.
It kinda inspired me to do the silly post below about the time machine.
This space available for rent.
Cute, the way you left Danny Granger out at #15.
The guy’s an All-Star and a two-time top 10 scorer in the league. I feel like he would have helped more than Sean May.
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The Article was referencing Lottery Picks. Pick #15 is not a Lottery Pick.
Indiana made the playoffs. If you want to publish a FanPost about the entire 2005 draft please do.
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Apr 20, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to Mention David Lee
…but on to the point. Free Agency. If we want Paul, we need to provide the BEST LOOKING team we can THIS SEASON. Which means we cant wait to the deadline to acquire another Cunningham and DJ White, no offense (thats a double entendre to those are familiar…nvm)…Paul WILL NOT surrender his talents to a team that is rebuilding. He has a better chance to win a championship with the team he has now than with the team we have. Those draft picks need to be used by NOT drafting. Paul needs to know that when he signs he WILL be making the playoffs in a mid to high spot. If not he takes his talents wherever Dwight goes. Or to the Lakers/Mavs. Simple and plain. He has to be surrounded with the right talent. A team that can maximize his skills. Now for another Session of HATE ON HENDO: He is not going to a team with SG that cant shoot. (wasted passing/assists). Now a healthy Tyrus/Diaw would work well with Paul. He has proven he has mastered the lob pass (Tyrus) or he can kick it to the open man in the corner or top of the arc (Diaw). A team with JAX starting isnt going to work. JAX can stop the ball and flow of the offense. He’s a good player but he wouldnt work well with PAUL. I think Paul makes big men better than they are. So I dont think he would have a problem with Kwame if the OTHER PIECES are made for his kind of gameplay. WILSON CHANDLER/JR SMITH. T-WILL (i know but he fits)…PAUL WANTS WINNERS. He has proven what he can do in with mediocrity. I doubt he goes back to mediocrity when he leaves. So to answer the question and with everything I just said about Paul’s game, the only way we get Paul is if PORTLAND are cheap bastards. Paul to Portland/NY/LA period
how would a healthy diaw work with paul
diaw is usually too timid to even hit open threes and why would they need a distributing forward on the floor with paul?
chris needs to be feeding the post, not getting fed by it, if that makes sense
by adamcawa on Apr 20, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Diaw wouldnt have to play the post if Paul is here
We can stretch the floor KINDA like Orlando. (please note that i said KINDA ppl) or SA
When was Diaw injured?
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by andrewlail76 on Apr 21, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree 100%
I don’t think we have a chance of getting Paul using your strategy. If he wants to go to a winner that badly, he’ll go to a winner. He’ll take the pay cut and just go. We won’t get him by tricking him into thinking we are better than we really are.
Instead, we draft the best players we can. That keeps payroll down and gives us a chance at getting Howard, too. If we have the payroll available to get both, I think we’ve got a great chance. I believe that Paul actually wants to come here; I think he wants to play in front of his home crowd and to play for Jordan. Does it trump him wanting to win championships? I’m not sure, but when you are on the level of Paul, you probably believe that you can compete for championships where ever you go, especially if Howard follows.
by Tim Rudisill on Apr 20, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I didnt mean appearance...
I meant a team that would be a good fit. Like Portland. Like Houston. Like Dallas. Like Golden State. Teams he can use HIS talents to put over the top. We are a 7th seed at best with Paul and our current roster
J.R. Smith is the one SG
available that I would bring in and have no problem with demoting Henderson back to 6th man in favor of.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 21, 2011 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Wilson Chandler too
but I def wouldnt mind bringin in Azibuike for backup. The guy played at allstar levels b4 he got injured. He’s had the surgery and Im sure we can sign him for a very low price since he was bought out by the Knicks. He reminds me of a Joe Johnson type
+1
I think a lot of people are unaware of how dangerous Azibuke can actually be. I think we should definitely go after him, either way.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 21, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Azibuke just had to get ANOTHER knee surgery in March.
He’s not likely to ever play in the NBA again.
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by MichaelProcton on Apr 24, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Because who wouldn't want ANOTHER unrepentant gunner with attitude problems?
It’d be like Stephen Jackson, Jr.!
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by MichaelProcton on Apr 24, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I was on the JR Bandwagon too
but I just kinda felt it was playing with Melo that aggitated him. After this series with OKC, I dont think I want him on the squad. But I would mind having Wilson or Afflalo. Or Von Wafer to backup/Start over Hendo
Stephen Jackson, who is also the best player on our team?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 24, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Weren't you the one complaining about players who never took the team anywhere being overrated?
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by MichaelProcton on Apr 25, 2011 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions
No. If you go back through the months, you can actually see that I always made a case for them to stay.
I just don’t have this undying love for them like you do and can easily get over it. And Stephen Jackson took us to the playoffs. No denying it.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 25, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
and Stephen Jackson
got us swept by Orlando
This.
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by MichaelProcton on Apr 25, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Supporting Stephen Jackson one minute and then going against him the next.
Exactly what is your thought process Michael?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 25, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Supporting him? Huh?
There are things he does well, but I think he’s terribly outmatched as the #1 option on any team.
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by MichaelProcton on Apr 25, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I never said he wasn't.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 26, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
And I never said you did.
What’s your point?
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by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
My point is you've been known to put words in people's mouths
dozens of times. Making sure you aren’t doing it again.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 26, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
What was this then, exactly?
Supporting Stephen Jackson one minute and then going against him the next.
What’s that they say about glass houses?
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by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't even get what you're trying to say here anymore.
In one thread, I hear you talking about how instead of 2-10, we would’ve been 0-12 without Jackson. In this thread, you are agreeing with the statement “Stephen Jackson got us swept by Orlando”. Which lead me to ask “What is your thought process?”. Take it how you want.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 26, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Sarcasm, bro. What's the difference between 0-12 and 2-10? Nothing.
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by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
While I really don't want to get involved in this debate
I must say there is a huge difference between 0-12 and 2-10. From both a fan perspective (one way at least the team is winning some games) and a team perspective (chance at draft picks, bad records), etc.
Are you honestly saying that, given an option, you wouldn’t care if the team was 0-12 instead of 2-10?
by Tim Rudisill on Apr 26, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's the point I was making:
If having a team’s “best player” only improves their record by two games over a twelve game span, he’s probably not much of a “best player.” Do you disagree?
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by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Best player on the team is best player on the team.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 26, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Indeed.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 26, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Not enough information.
And I’m not saying this to be snarky, but I’ll use the following example:
The Tampa Bay Whojamujunks (junkies for short) just finished an incredible 0-82 season where they lost every single game by at least 20 points. Their average loss was by 30. They then some guy in the first round (3rd pick, because that’s how the lottery goes) called J. Mordan. This J. Mordan proceeds to lead the team to a 2-10 record for the first 12 games of the following season… and the average defeat is now by 3 points. No other personnel changes were made.
Now, I’d argue this new “best player” is pretty darn good. Obviously, the Junkies improved substantially over where they were.
Yeah, it’s a bogus example, but I’m an economist. I study the extremes because it’s easier to understand the middle if you know how far out the curve can go. Will the above happen? I hope not. But if it did, I don’t think anyone would argue that J. Mordan could possibly become one of the greatest players of all time, if he wasn’t already.
by Tim Rudisill on Apr 26, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I seen a video of J. Mordan on Youtube.
That kid is a star in the making.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 26, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont think
He’s that good. I dont think we’ll get him. We dont have time to wait for him to develop. He’s ok but not a team changing player. He’s not even the best player on his college team. I like Sterence Tansbury, Tel Murpin, Bam Sowie and Oakeen Halajuwan
Meh....
Pass on Bam Sowie. That guy has got “Bust” written all over him.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 26, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
You Dont Know what You're talkin about
Its obvious you’re just being biased. I just dont see the upside of having J. Mordan. For what? What are we supposed to do, wait for him to develop? No way. I say we trade the 3rd pick for a young vet.
Whatever DUDE!
I’m done with this. Holla at me next year when Mordan is an All-Star in his rookie season.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 27, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Playful foreshawdowing for another player maybe?
dun dun dummmmmmmmm
Uh, 2 games.
And considering we finished about 2 games out the playoffs, I’d say that was pretty big.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 26, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
So it's Jackson's fault now huh?
Not Felton’s for Jameer destroying him, not Larry Brown’s for doubling Howard every play, it’s all Stephen Jackson’s fault. Ok.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 25, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
no
i was merely making the point that you can’t give Jackson all the credit for getting us to the playoffs and then excuse him from our pathetic playoff failure
Larry Brown and Raymond Felton contributed just as much as Jackson to get us into the playoffs.
I don't excuse him for that debacle that was our initial playoff visit.
I just think that without him, we would’ve never reached them in the first place.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 25, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
same goes for Larry Brown
And Raymond Felton, and Gerald Wallace, and to a degree, Nazr Mohammed
You're right.
But we had all of those guys except for Jackson and were 3-9.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 26, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
+10
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by MichaelProcton on Apr 25, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL...yes, we can't wait to acquire a couple of bench players.
We need those bench players EARLY so we can impress NBA superstars with the guys who’ll be playing six or eight minutes a game behind them.
And Henderson can absolutely shoot, just not threes. I seem to remember this Wade character in Miami who didn’t shoot many threes for a long time. Didn’t stop him from being sort of successful.
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by MichaelProcton on Apr 24, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate that you guys keep making that comparison
Wade was production out of the gate. His ability to drive to the basket is way higher than Hendo’s. The talent around him is way better than Hendo’s. Its just not the 3. Its the long range 2. Its the spot up jumper. He can make them sometimes. So can damn near any other SG in the NBA. But the thing is to be a threat. We dont have points coming from all over the board like Wade had. (Odom, Haslem, Eddie Jones, Caron & Rasual Butler, and Rafer Alston) lets be real. All Im saying is there are FA out there that can fit the bill and be instant production. If not we need someone behind him that is clearly better than he is that wont mind sitting.
Let me clue you in on a concept.
Some times in professional sports, it’s not smart to sign a marginally better veteran who is as good as he’ll ever be (see McGuire, Dominic, or Chandler, Tyson, or Graham, Steven) and play them in front of a young player with plenty of room to grow. All you’re going to do is screw over your team and its roster in five, three, hell, two years. So why would we stunt the growth and development of one of our few young bright spots by signing some shitty player like Von Wafer so he can score 13 a night on 15 shots?
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by MichaelProcton on Apr 25, 2011 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Von Wafer was a guy I had coming off the bench....actually
Reading is Fun. So you telling me Marcus Thornton, Nick Young, Afflalo are marginal talent. Theyve all only been in the league about 3yrs. Theyre vets but they are young and productive. Those are the guys I had above Hendo. I dont see any hinderance of letting them start over him. Unless they get injured they all have many many years left. You cant deny what these guys can do. Im not talking about getting Mike Redd or John Salmons or Grant Hill. Im talking about 2 or 3yr players that wont command over 8mil a season. Nick Young has the chance at getting the biggest contract this offseason of those 3 guys and he probably will just be at 8.
Yes, they're marginal IMPROVEMENTS over Henderson.
All three of the players you mention are superior to Henderson in exactly one area: scoring. They’ve also been in the league long enough that it’s obvious they’re not getting much better.
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by MichaelProcton on Apr 25, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
So Hendo Gets The Chance to Improve for "Years to Come"?
This will be his 3rd season. (None of that BS “well technically its his rookie season” it will be his 3RD SEASON)…Young is going into his 4th. Thornton is a rookie. Afflalo is going into his 4th also. So with your logic players MAX OUT IN THEIR THIRD YEAR. Be serious. And Thornton is a better scorer and reb. Afflalo is a better scorer and equal defender.
i don't think you understand
the importance of defense in the NBA
or efficiency
And I dont think you ever watch these guys Play
I just think you guys are adamant about keeping Hendo. You WANT him on the team. Just say it. Stop trying to downplay these players. None of them are liabilities on defense. Ahhh The power of the internet. You can check out their scounting reports. Oh and for your satisfaction
Hendo: 2yrs: 9.6pts: 0.7 spg :EFF +9.31
Young: 3yrs: 17.4pts: 0.7spg: EFF +12.05
Afflalo: 3yrs: 12.6pts: 0.5 spg: EFF +13.61
Thornton: 1yr: 12.8pts: 0.8 spg: EFF + 11.10
What else do we have to nickpick about? Just say " We want to keep Hendo"… you dont have to come up with excuses to why he is better than them. Because he’s not. I would put rebs but other than Afflalo he’d still not head the pack. The ALL play D. Afflalo and Thornton play good perimeter D. So whats the excuse? Give the players their just due.
ofc we want him on the team
we think he’s better and has more potential than those players
and didn’t i already teach you that you can’t compare hendo’s stats to theirs and vice versa? we’re talking about intangibles here… none of those players get anything close to that on this bobcats team, period.
by adamcawa on Apr 26, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Here we go again...
How do you say he has more potential than a 13pt a game ROOKIE? Sounds like the max potential to me. Not to mention he is the 3rd/4th scoring option on his team. (He plays with Tyreke)…Afflalo plays for a playoff team nuff said. I think it hurts you guys to admit that there are FAs better than Hendo. I just proved these guys are better in every statistical category (the only intangibles is perimeter d and hustle and basketball IQ which they all have.) And you guys cant admit it. I dont get it.
anyone can take stats
and, without context, prove anything they want
hendo’s numbers have steadily improved over the course of the two seasons, especially under silas and especially as a starter – most notably his scoring, the one thing you keep ragging on him about. Those other players got chances Hendo didn’t, how does that necessarily make them better players?
plus, he’s a better defender than any of those guys you keep mentioning, as his defensive efficiency rating proves
show me a time when arron afflalo kept kobe bryant in check?
by adamcawa on Apr 26, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
ONE Performance...
show me the numbers? Everybody uses numbers against my points. I use numbers and its some bs excuse. I gave you steal numbers, EFF rating, PPG and Im still somehow wrong. Also in another thread I gave the percentages and they are still way higher (so the lame “he just jacks up shots” argument wont come into play)…Ruben Patterson locked down Kobe. So what? He had a bad game. Afflalo and Thornton are good perimeter defenders. Thornton dropped 33 on Kobe…
Actually, no.
Reuben Patterson was routinely dominated by Bryant. And Henderson put up 18 on Kobe on only nine shots. Do you know how many shots Thornton took when he dropped that very impressive 33? TWENTY-SIX! Hell, Henderson could have put up 52 on Kobe if he was such a selfish gunner. And those 33 came in an overtime loss that saw Kobe go for 36 himself, on only 24 shots. Henderson’s production came in a 20-point regulation win that saw Kobe held to 20 points on 20 shots. I think we can pretty easily tell that Henderson’s performance on both ends was far more impressive.
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by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
No it wasnt
The Bobcats ALMOST ALWAYS Beat the Lakers. Since the Expansion. Not just recently. One performance. That makes up for everything huh? “Yes focuslja, for HENDO it does”. Ruben Patterson gave Kobe hell ONE game. So what? Hendo got torched by DWade. And didnt even get 12pts. and we know Kobe is better tha Wade. You didnt mention that. We play DWade 4xs a season. So one performance doesnt mean anything.
i mentioned him doing well against kobe
and he did pretty well in both games this season
but his defensive per proves he’s a better defender than those guys, and that doesn’t even include solely his time as a starter
Makes up for everything? YOU were the one trying to make your argument based on one game.
I was just responding in kind.
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by MichaelProcton on Apr 27, 2011 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions
All the stats I put up for the guys Im pushing are season long.
Not lock down Kobe, something ALL Bobcats have done since 04 seemingly
Kobe's averages vs the Bobcats since their inception
In 13 games: 29.62 PPG, 43.63% FG, 34.7% 3P
Not exactly locked down since 04.
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by Ben Swanson on Apr 27, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Seemingly" not.
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by MichaelProcton on Apr 27, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I think this is Thornton's second year.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 26, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Not thinking. It's true. He was drafted the same night as Henderson.
But I’m not used to people letting facts get in the way of their arguments.
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by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Im sorry I read it wrong
So he’s a one year player. Uh-oh big difference.
You certainly tried to CLAIM it was a big difference when you thought it was in your favor.
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by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
...because he's not a rookie and he was a non-factor on an actual contender?
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by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
New Orleans:
7.8 PPG, 0.4 SPG; +6.6 EFF
Those are the numbers you’re framing your whole argument around, right?
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by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont Mind
us having our “fan favorite” and wanting to keep our fan favorite. But what troubles me is is you guys cant ever ADMIT that these guys are better. Same age. Better Stats. But Im willing to give Courtney Alexan..Im mean Rick Brunso…Hendo a chance next season to see what he’s made of
Right...
Because taking the load on as a #2/3/4 option during a playoff run with virtually no NBA experience wasn’t impressive.
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by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha...
Thank you for those “scouting reports.” I like how you leave out a couple of important stats, there.
Henderson: 24.4 MPG, 8.4 FGA/gm.
Nick Young: 31.8 (30% more), 14.6 (74%)
Marcus Thornton: 24.3 (0.4% less), 11.1 (32%)
Arron Afflalo: 33.7 (38%), 9.1 (8%.)
Shouldn’t these guys be producing more in that they’re playing more and/or shooting significantly more often? I’m also not sure how Henderson is given credit for 2 years and Thornton only one when they were both drafted in 2009. Futher, Young and Afflalo just completed their fourth seasons.
P.S.: It’s interesting that the two most impressive players you cite are Young and Thornton, who easily played for the worst teams in the discussion. Let’s check out Thornton’s numbers when he was actually playing for a contender in New Orleans:
7.8 PPG, 0.4 SPG; +6.6 EFF
Count me unimpressed.
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by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So what was Hendo's during his rookie season
I made a mistake (actually ESPN.com did) as far as the years. But it really doesnt change the numbers. Who had the better rookie season? Who had the better sophmore season?
He avg 14pts in his rookie season with NOH. His 2nd season he avg 7.8 .4 +6.6….that was 46games in which he didnt start ANY. Just 2pts less than Hendo.
When he did get to start (the trade to SAC). He avg 21pts over 27games. He started 23 of those and still pulled off 21pts. IM IMPRESSED
Oh, so it's only when you're STARTING that it matters what you do. Got it.
Well, on a team in the midst of a playoff race, with little significant playing time experience (much less starting experience), Henderson started 25 games. Your magic stat line for him: 14.4 PPG (on only 12.8 shots, 1.13 points per shot), 1.3 steals, and EFF of 14.24. Oh wait…THAT’S BETTER THAN ANY OF THE OTHER THREE PLAYERS YOU MENTIONED! So how will you spin it now that I’ve shown Henderson performed better than any of your guys using your own number?
Hell, for what a great scorer Thornton is supposed to be, his 1.22 points per shot doesn’t look very good against Henderson, who can’t even shoot, right? Not even 8% better.
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by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
i thought i already did that....
on another thread :-P
...nope.
Young and Afflalo have already played four seasons, Thornton’s already played two. And given that every one of them have basically had seasons where they played as much or more than Henderson has in his entire career, I’d say they have far less room to grow and improve.
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by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
How does a 23yr old have "No room to improve"?
Nick Young is 25. Thornton is 23. I THINK Afflalo is 24. How does that constitute “no more room to improve”?
Who said that?
Gosh, I don’t see it anywhere on this page except for your post. Is my find function in Firefox broken? Reading is FUNdamental. I said,
they have far less room to grow and improve.
And that’s absolutely true. Age frankly has far less to do with experience and improvement than do minutes played. Because Henderson has just started getting heavy NBA minutes over his last 30-40 games, he’s well behind the curve of those guys, who have played reasonably heavy minutes over stretches of more than a season, at least.
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by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, the Bobcats are not spending 8M on a free agent, especially at SG
If MJ wanted to spend that kind of money, he would have just kept Wallace. None of those players begins to compare to Wallace’s production, yet he was apparently too expensive for the Bobcats. I’m not even sure the Bobcats will pay Kwame. But don’t worry, Jordan has a plan to build a champion. All he needs to do is draft a 20 year old version of himself, and the team’s golden.
I think they'll pay Kwame
Jordan is a pretty proud man and he’ll keep Kwame around so he continue to develop under Oaks.
Nope Chris Paul. That is what CP3 does. But hey Deron would work in POR. That would REALLY increase our chances of getting PAUL . Because we are next best option for him next season.
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by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Apr 20, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol, I was about to say.
Why doesn’t anyone ever talk about the huge mistake Portland made by sending Williams off to Utah for whatever package it was.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 21, 2011 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of Williams,
did anybody else think his college teammate Dee Brown would have a successful NBA career? At one point, I actually thought he was better. That kid had some jets.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 21, 2011 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions
No.
As Ray Felton proved, speed aloe doesn’t make one a quality player.
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by MichaelProcton on Apr 24, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
He had a very impressive career in college.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 24, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
...which does what for us as Bobcats fans?
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by MichaelProcton on Apr 25, 2011 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, for one, I'm not discussing Raymond Felton or the Bobcats,
I’m talking about Dee Brown. But I apologize if you feel that every statement I make has to revolve around Charlotte.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 25, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Dee Brown was a second rounder
was he not’? He had a run with Utah, I don’t remember who else.
He probably was. I don't know. What's your point?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 25, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
that
not many other people thought he would have a any kind of NBA career or was better than Deron Williams
and also just trying to remember his 15 minutes
When I said "at one point, I thought he was better",
that’s not me saying I always thought that. Just a few games during their undefeated season, I thought they were pretty comparable and even looked better at times. But, I see I could’ve worded that better. I just thought he’d always be better than he was.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 25, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean, he won that dunk contest, but I thought his dunks were overrated
Wait, we’re talking about the Dee Brown that fell off the face of the Earth and is now playing for a team in Puerto Rico?
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by Ben Swanson on Apr 25, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it's absolutely comical how this
" Speaking of Williams, did anybody else think his college teammate Dee Brown would have a successful NBA career? At one point, I actually thought he was better. That kid had some jets."
can be turned into people trying to give me a history lesson on the man. Lmao. What are yall really trying to argue about or nutride eachother about here? Me saying that I thought he would be better than he turned out to be in the NBA is really a cause for debate here?? What is there to debate?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 25, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
you asked a question
some gave an answer
other than michael procton mistaking your comment to be about felton, i don’t see where there are any debates?
you’re just apparently overly defensive
Well, you're talking about "BAZING"
like someone proved a point or something to me. I know Dee Brown sucks, I just thought he would always be better. Same with Randolph Childress, Gerald Green, Joe Alexander, and countless others. Maybe I was just taking you saying “Bazing” out of context. If that’s the case, I apologize.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 25, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
wasn't directed at you
he was referring to the “other” Dee Brown
I said BAZING because he made a funny joke about the Dee Brown that we were talking about… nothing to do with you. It was directed at Dee Brown.
I wasn't mistaken.
I simply made a comparison between two players whose entire game is predicated on speed and little else.
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by MichaelProcton on Apr 25, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
then you put your reply in the wrong place
“he had a very impressive career in college” was about dee brown
+1
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 26, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
No, I didn't.
You asked a question:
did anybody else think his college teammate Dee Brown would have a successful NBA career?
I answered no, that I did not. That opinion was based on the premise that
speed alo[n]e doesn’t make one a quality player.
As a familiar example of the same premise, I included reference to Ray Felton, a player I never believed would become anything more than average despite his top-five draft status due to his lack of a fully-developed game.
You then suggested that he Brown a good college career (much as Felton did, in fact.) I asked how that should matter to me as a Bobcats fan. It certainly didn’t disprove my idea that speed alone doesn’t make a player good in the NBA.
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by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
that's totally untrue and you know it
How does “asking how that matters to you as a bobcat fan” make sense at all when the conversation was about a player who was never a Bobcat in the first place?
You’re starting to sound like Charlotte Bobcat when he mistakingly put Jerry Sloan and Rick Adleman in a conversation, hehehe.
I didn't mistakingly put any of them in there.
Like I said then, I was giving names of the people who I thought had achieved enough to be considered great coaches. That was you guys naming the top active coaches. That’s for another thread though.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 26, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
riiiiight
you totally didn’t, just like he totally meant to do all those things he just said he meant to do
you guys are funny
Smh. Lol
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 26, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
No, it's not.
You brought up something totally irrelevant about Dee Brown as though it pertained to anything. I asked what the relevance was.
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by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
a conversation about dee brown
by nature, has nothing to do with the bobcats
further still we were talking about his college career
at the least, you just made a simple mistake, at most you posted something totally irrelevent
either way, it’s silly and not worth you arguing over
Ok. We'll we'll just not argue about the fact that I didn't say anything irrelevant or mistaken.
kthx.
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by MichaelProcton on Apr 27, 2011 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep, you're 100% right
You interjected your opinion about Raymond Felton in a conversation about former Illinois teammates Dee Brown and Deron Williams.
No one had mentioned Ray-Ray, or Illinois’ lost to Carolina, or anything about the Bobcats, or anything relevant to Raymond Felton at all prior to that, or after that.
So yes, your post wasn’t mistaken or irrelevent at all, so no point in arguing over it, or mentioning it ever again.
You are familiar with the concept of using supporting evidence to back an argument, right?
You asked a question:
did anybody else think his college teammate Dee Brown would have a successful NBA career?I answered no, that I did not. That opinion was based on the premise that
speed alo[n]e doesn’t make one a quality player.As a familiar example of the same premise, I included reference to Ray Felton, a player I never believed would become anything more than average despite his top-five draft status due to his lack of a fully-developed game.
You then suggested that he Brown a good college career (much as Felton did, in fact.) I asked how that should matter to me as a Bobcats fan. It certainly didn’t disprove my idea that speed alone doesn’t make a player good in the NBA.
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by MichaelProcton on Apr 27, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Not giving a history lesson, just making a joke and letting everyone know where the guy is now.
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by Ben Swanson on Apr 25, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wasn't referring to you homey.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 25, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus, I guess both Dee Browns fell off the face of the Earth
Lemonade was a popular drink and it still is,
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Indeed.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 25, 2011 8:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
this is what I have been saying...
New Orleans w/o Paul is better than CLT w/o Paul…
Yes, but New Orleans really has no room to improve next year, while
Charlotte does. Although not by much. I think at this point the Hornets know what they are, but Charlotte is wondering what it can be.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on May 8, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually
Marco Belinelli,Jason Smith, Marcus Banks, Aaron Gray (P), Willie Green, Carl Landry, D.J. Mbenga, David West (ETO) are all FAs this offseason. Pretty much their whole team. You sign back Bellineli. West probably walks. And now you got plenty of cap space to make some moves…
You have a point, a good one.
I just think New Orleans will try their best to retain a lot of those players though. Marco, Gray, Green, and Landry at the least. It’ll be interesting to see if they attempt to sign West back or not.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on May 10, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
If they do resign West
then Im sure Landry walks… I dont think you focus too much on Willie Green tho. Jarret Jack proved to me he was starting quality against the Lakers. While he may not be as good as Paul, i dont think they have a liability a PG is Paul is traded…
I wouldnt Mind
getting a Aaron Gray to back Kwame up. Or maybe even try to get Nazr back…
D.J., Henderson, maybe even Tyrus.
Just because the Bobcats may not have a package great enough to acquire Paul, it doesn’t mean that New Orleans wouldn’t be interested in individual pieces.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on May 8, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Wouldnt trade all that for Paul
When you have an effective scorer in DJ. The other two are expendable.
I think they are all expendable in MJ's mind if it was for a chance to acquire CP3.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on May 10, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Well to be honest
I dont think all their salaries equal Paul’s still…I would make a run at Steph Curry bc he’s alot cheaper and can do what we need from a PG. Plus GS is GOING to trade him…We should be smart. CP3 without a shooter (which we lost if we trade Augustin) is pretty worthless to us…
And he isn't as small as you'd like to think.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on May 10, 2011 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
its a small chance a team would take him as the primary piece for a trade at this time in his career. With the exception of MIL, he isnt starting SG for ANY team other than ours.
I never said he would be the primary piece of any deal.
I also think he could start for Indiana, Chicago, New Orleans, Timberwolves, Wizards, and a few other teams out there.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on May 11, 2011 7:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I dont
He’s not as good a shooter as Bogans (damn) and Bogans plays just as good as defense if not better than Hendo. (Hendo is good defensively but he isnt some god-like top defender). He probably wont start over Marco. No I think Hendo is more of an athlete than Marco Belineli but no way is he a better offensive threat. The Wizards (for the time being) have 2 SG that are better. Nick Young and Jordan Crawford. No way he starts for the Wizards. Maybe the Wolves but thats even debateable (damn)…
Henderson
is much more gifted offensively than Bogans. The only area Bogans may have him beat is on 3 point shooting, but that hardly matters since Bogans isn’t that great of a shooter himself. Henderson isn’t a better offensive threat than Bellineli either from the outside, but in all other areas he is. And I like Crawford and Young, but at the very least, Henderson would threaten their starting positions if he was on their team. All of these guys are decent young guys who can compliment the stars on their teams, but Henderson is the only one good enough to be given the chance to build the franchise around. And I know a lot of that has to do with him being in Charlotte, but do you think we would be talking about building the team around Young or Crawford if they were here? Henderson is an athlete that plays under control, so his potential is really almost limitless at this point.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on May 13, 2011 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions
We arent talking about building a team around HENDO
since when? The most Ive heard is DJ, Hendo, Tyrus are good young pieces. They would be idiots to build a team AROUND Hendo. I’VE NEVER HEARD THAT EVER. Crawford and Young (idk which Crawford or Young you’re talking about) but the Crawford and Young IM talking about wouldnt have to worry about their jobs being threatened by Gerald. Be serious. (If we talkin abt the same Crawford/Young, which I hope we aren’t for you to reach for that statement)…If we had Crawford or Young last season, we would be in the Playoffs. Maybe eliminated but In the playoffs. We wouldnt be talking about a “2-3yr” rebuilding. We would be trying to get rid of JAX for someone like Gallo or Wilson Chandler. And we’d be complete. But the point is Hendo is not the type of player you build a team around. Thats no “hate” as you guys say. Thats honesty.
We arent talking about building around
Henderson? His play is one of the reasons we decided to trade crash. Who has Washington traded to give those guys p.t.? Who has the hornets traded to open up p.t. for Marco? I mean, I know that isn’t the only reason, but it is one. Your only real beef with Henderson is his inability to knock down the three ball. Look at the best shooting guards in the game, kobe and wade. Neither of them rely heavily on the three ball.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on May 13, 2011 6:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And you are the only person
I have ever heard talk about young and Crawford like they are great. Henderson wouldn’t threaten their starting spots? Really? I must’ve missed where the wizards were a good team and they were key pieces to their success.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on May 13, 2011 6:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Please stop Comparing Wade/Kobe to Hendo
If he was that good, Larry wouldve at least saw a lil bit of that in him. I’ll give him THAT much credit. Crawford didnt get his chance in ATL bc they had Jamal Crawford and Johnson at the SG. His play has been unbelievable since going to Washington. They needed a PG that could get them over the hump. Kirk was the best available choice and honestly he worked out well. They dont beat the Magic with Bibby. Sorry. With Young being hurt, he finally had the chance to showcase his talents. Lets not forget that WAS had Kirk playing SF also. That wasnt going to work.
Nick Young is a scorer. Everyone who scores points isnt exactly a gunner. No one shoots 100% from the field. So to get 20+pts a game you have to SHOOT THE BALL. simple as that. I’d rather have Crawford (who defends, passes, and shoots well) or Young taking 20+ shots than JAX.
Face it. Our team needs SCORING. Athleticism and defense means nothing if you CANT SCORE. WE CANT SCORE. Im not an offensive minded person but this is a game of buckets also. We dont have that. And Im not one to think that someone who has NEVER been a scorer all of a sudden becomes one. Im not saying Hendo sucks. Im saying he isnt the person to provide scoring. He’ll avg 15pts at the MOST next season and thats being generous. If he scores more, great. Im all for the team WINNING. I will embrace him. But I cant see it. I see Douglas-Roberts or Courtney Lee in Hendo more than KOBE or WADE. (who are both SCORERS). And again NO WAY their jobs are threatened by Hendo.
PS. Hendo had NO INFLUENCE to them Trading WALLACE (that is a HUGE stretch). Wallace is a SF and he’s young. We are trying to build a contender and Hendo is not a starter on a contender. And he is not the shooter that Bogans is. Stop It.
They are athletic and play under control also.
we have to be talking about different players
Nope, same guys.
On Hendersons best day he is kobe. On Crawfords best day he is Michael redd. You’re impresses by points from gunners. Gunners don’t win basketball games.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on May 13, 2011 6:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You cant be serious.
Check both game logs after the trade deadline. They both were starting since then. (And Hendo started more)…Crawford is a baller. I dont get it. He’s also a ROOKIE. Even if we kept JAX, we need someone who can help with the scoring load. Augustin did an excellent job but if we had 18pts at the SG every game, we would be in good shape.
No ONE (other than the folks on here) is talkin about building a team around HENDO.
And nobody (other than the folks on here) even talk about the Bobcats.
by Tim Rudisill on May 14, 2011 2:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Thats where you're wrong
see me and my people are basketball loyalists. All we do is talk bball. From the sorriest teams to the best teams. We dont just talk about our teams. But our teams come up. And I think its a less biased view when you’re talkin to a basketball fan over Cats fan.
And how do they know about the Bobcats?
We are lowest league-wide in television viewership. If memory serves me correctly, it was something like 12,000 a game. Many of us in NC can’t even watch the games.
That means that the only way most people get to see the Bobcats is via ESPN highlights. This includes hardcore basketball fans. Highlights are no way to judge whether a player or team is any good.
by Tim Rudisill on May 14, 2011 3:22 AM EDT up reply actions
STATS
Links, NBA TV… Tha same think that I do. The same way we know about the Bobcats. Now they might not know all the “rumor mill” info. But they know basketball. If that was the case, we would only know MIA, NY, BOS, LAL….those are the only teams that get consistent play on Television. Again, we are fanatics for BBALL first. Not just one team. We know that Kwame Brown was decent in his last season in detroit, we know Augustin had potential LAST SEASON, we knew that Diaw was a bad fit and couldnt flourish in a slow paced, low scoring offense. We knew Hendo wasnt a shooter on draft day. We knew that LB WANTED T-Will. We also know that there are NO UNTOUCHABLES on CLT and if it was it would most likely ONLY be Augustin and Tyrus. We know what Nick Young could do. We know what Thornton could do. Im not the only one that would go after Thornton and start him over Hendo. Only on this site is that some farfetched idea.
Youre the one making
It seem far fetched that Henderson can even threaten their starting spots. No one is claiming Henderson is the greatest thing since sliced bread but come on, you’re talking about belleneli, bogans, Thornton, young and Crawford like they are franchise building blocks or something. Trust me, Henderson can take all their spots.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on May 14, 2011 6:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Have to Trust
someone with assumptions. He may be better than Belinelli. Thats it. Thornton/Young/Crawford are moreso franchise building blocks than Henderson. They have proven already that they can do whats needed from a starting SG. (y is this even a debate? have you guys ever seen Thornton or Young get busy? probably not. Jus defending Hendo, i kno). Bogans and Henderson are pretty much the same player except Bogans is better from 3. And Hendo jumps higher (whatever that means)…
Actually, yes
I have seen ALL of them play and the only area of the game where they have Henderson beat is their outside shooting. Tell me what other areas they are “superior” to Henderson in their game.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on May 15, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
its not "outside shooting"
its scoring period. You act like they just stand outside and wait for shots. None of them play like that. Crawford/Thornton actually drive to the basket also. They cant dunk like Hendo but it doesnt matter. 2pts is 2pts. Neither are liabilities on defense. Crawford/Thornton actually handles the ball alot better than Hendo and passes alot better. Nick Young might be the closest to one dimensional. But his scoring acumen is amazing.
PS. They would never have to worry about their spots being in jeopardy bc of Hendo
Maybe Belinelli but NONE of the others. (Funny how some of you mention the worst starting SGs when comparing Hendo. Bc he’s not better than any other starting SG in the entire league. Yes that includes Deroazan
Yes they would.
If Thornton was so great, he would still be in New Orleans right now. If Crawford was so great, he would still be in Atlanta right now. Your hate for Henderson has been well documented on this site several times. Tell me what weakness do you see in his game other than his outside shooting? You’re still stuck under the illusion that Larry Brown created that had everyone thinking he was one of the worst players in the league. Check what Jordan, Higgins, Silas, and Stephen Jackson have said about him over the past few months. He IS the future of this franchise and will be given EVERY opportunity to succeed. You know why? Because he’s a damn good player. Landry Fields couldn’t even hold on to his starting spot during the playoffs. Again, this isn’t about how great Henderson is in my eyes, it’s about how mediocre all of these other guys really are, yet Henderson can’t threaten their starting positions at all. And me naming the worse SG’s in the league Henderson can start over is a direct result of you saying things like he can’t start anywhere. There aren’t THAT MANY guards in the league Henderson wouldn’t challenge for that spot. Kobe Bryant, Dwayne Wade, Eric Gordon, Joe Johnson, Ray Allen, and a few others. Damn near everyone else is fair game. Look at Denver a couple years ago. Who is the better player in your eyes? Dhantay Jones or JR Smith? Who was starting? Jones. You’re acting like you’re the only one who watches the NBA around here. No, you’re not. I keep up with EVERY team in the league. And for whatever reason or another, you’re severely underrating Henderson and overrating every other SG in the league.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on May 15, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL are you serious
“Kobe Bryant, Dwayne Wade, Eric Gordon, Joe Johnson, Ray Allen, and a few others”. Be real. Lemme finish this for you: Kevin Martin, JRich, Tony Allen/Mayo, Afflalo, Young, Tyreke, Matthews/Roy, Manu, Terry, Ellis, Lou Williams, Fields…Come on. You shot yourself in the foot by Mentioning Eric Gordon. He isnt even top 20 SGs.
Your Landry Fields argument is irrelevent. Yes he lost his starting spot in the playoffs bc he’s a ROOKIE and wasnt ready for the spotlight. He avgs 9.7pts and 6.4rebs and he’s a pretty decent shooter. Even if he lost his starting spot, It wouldntve been to Hendo.
Your argument about Thornton was flawed. David West went down. As we all know Carl Landry is a baller with a similar style to West. We would love to have Carl Landry. Sacramento traded Landry straight up for a Rookie. He think he sucks? Go look at what Monty Williams said about him. Go look at what Sac FO said about him (I’ll gladly post it if you would like)
Who cares what they said about him. Most coaching staff and personell (esp new ones) say positive things about players. I’ve never really heard a coach say something bad about young player. Its usually vets with attitude problems. They said good things about Wallace and D. Brown. Means nothing.
And I dont hate Hendo. It seems that way bc everyone agrees on one thing except me. Im sure its something you have a difference in opinion than the majority doesnt. Doesnt make you a hater, just means you dont agree. The HATING HENDO is a rallying call for anyone I argue with that another player is better than him. Whether you believe that I hate him (which is ridiculous) or not, it doesnt negate that he isnt the type of SG we need. Maybe he would fit on the Bulls, where they can score at every other position. But we arent the Bulls. Our offense isnt going to be like the Bulls (unless DJ gets a good floater)…
The Bobcats were on ESPN highlights?
It was rare last season.
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on May 14, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Not making up things.
Although I was going off memory. I remember reading from ROF how the Bobcats were last in the league in tv viewership and we had more people attending games than watching us on tv. I want to say that it was an average 12,000 people watching us on tv, but I’ll admit that my memory is shaky.
What does that mean? It means that if you want to see the Bobcats on tv, chances are you are watching game recaps on ESPN.
by Tim Rudisill on May 15, 2011 3:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Or Links online...
I apologize. The making up thing was a joke. Poorly executed…
No apologies necessary.
I missed the joke but it is difficult to tell a joke from a serious post many times. :)
by Tim Rudisill on May 15, 2011 6:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Just to jump this back to the left of the screen...
This argument has become as mind numbing as it could possibly get.
But to add .02 to the mix, how does someone score more points when there isn’t a single play in the playbook where Hendo was the first option on scoring?
LB didn’t have a single play in place for Hendo to do anything.
Really in general…if you look at it…Matt Carroll was to stand in a corner and hope for an open 3…You had Kwame setting screens…Boris refused to shoot…that leaves DJ, who has no PF or C to score in the paint, no deadly jump shooter + no plays to even call for his SG, and Jackson…who makes his own shot, when it is there…and when it isn’t there.
Let’s not single Hendo out…
Let’s extend this post on “What it would take to get CP3 in Charlotte” by continuing to discuss all of our team’s shortcomings. I mean, does anyone know how to do a NEW FanPost, or FanShot? I know how much fun it is to ramble on and on and on and on in an existing post about something that isn’t remotely related to the topic, but come on guys!
This is the second time I’ve mentioned this. I swing in here to check out what’s up with my Bobcats, and I see “X” new posts in a subject that interests me, so I click to see what new news has been shared. I get into the thread only to see a 30+ entry post and reply argument on how Hendo isn’t a building block when MJ himself has stated that he could See Hendo as an All Star in the next few years. Yeah, the greatest NBA player in the history of the league would have no clue about talent..
With that said, I am going to create a new post for you guys to continue your “discussion” back and forth on Gerald Henderson, and current free agents may or may not be better than Hendo is at current, and whether we should or should not build around him, or get some of those free agents and build around/with others.
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As promised
http://www.rufusonfire.com/2011/5/15/2172544/gerald-henderson-and-his-future-with-the-team
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by andrewlail76 on May 15, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions

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