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Postseason Report Card -- D.J. Augustin

In the first of my series of individual Bobcats players postseason analysis, I'm taking a look at D.J. Augustin.

It's tricky to do this analysis, especially for Augustin, as the point guard is often a reflection of the head coach. With such a monumental coaching change, it's not easy to make conclusive analysis. Nevertheless, let's take a look at what Mr. Augustin accomplished this season and what his future may hold.

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Under Larry Brown:

To the surprise of many, D.J. Augustin played quite well as a starting point guard under Larry Brown. Unusual due to Brown's preference for players who can play above-average defense, Augustin's semi-success, though in the midst of a disappointing start, made many forget about missing Raymond Felton, who was playing pretty decent ball of his own in New York. Through the end of November, Augustin had 10 games scoring in double-digits and averaged 7.7 assists per game. But in what would be a theme throughout the year, Augustin would show inconsistency. His defense was particularly a point of concern as well. Another problem was the noticeable rift between Augustin and Brown. Larry Brown, though always a loud critic when teaching, was always especially demanding and disparaging with Augustin. As noted in recent comments from Stephen Jackson, Larry Brown's disposition had a chilling effect on communication with Augustin, who felt shut off by the coach.

Under Paul Silas:

After Brown's firing, Silas came in and looked to immediately change how things were run. Though Silas' optimal uptempo offense wasn't completely realized, his philosophy of preferring open players to shoot, allowed for Augustin and others to be more unafraid, whereas under Brown, shooting an open jumper would likely mean a stern talking-to. The coaching change seemed to have a direct positive effect on Augustin. He came out firing, dropping 27 and 28 points in the first two games under Silas (though this was against Detroit and Cleveland). January would prove to be an incredible month for Augustin, as he shot pretty well, efficiently distributed the ball while not turning it over hardly at all, averaging 18 ppg, 7.3 apg and scoring in single digits only once in the whole month. Unfortunately, he couldn't keep up the pace and faltered in February and couldn't regain his impressive January play. Though Augustin was and is a good shooter, he couldn't find his stroke at all in February, shooting under 40% FG in February and 26.5% 3P, while his ppg and apg dropped to 11.3 and 4.7, respectively. It should be noted that it was reported that Augustin had a minor wrist injury in February, but recovered and used the All-Star break to heal as well. March was an improvement, as far as scoring, but Augustin's inconsistency was more evident than ever. His shooting touch still hadn't really recovered much at all either, as his scoring uptick was due more in part to getting to the free-throw line more. His field goal and three-point shooting fell to new lows, going 36.9% from the floor and 20.8% from behind the arc. I'm not sure about the rest of Bobcats fans, but I was (and still is, to a lesser degree) definitely concerned about his future with such inconsistency shooting, when that is supposed to be his strong suit. Thankfully, April saw an Augustin resurgence. Note that this is a smaller sample size than other months, but Augustin's assists rose to 7.5 apg and his shooting percentages rose back above 40% FG and 34.5% FG for 16.1 points per game to end the season on a good note.

Generally speaking:

Though Augustin's season was very up and down, we saw him take some great steps in the right direction. His ability to finish at the rim improved greatly, as shown in his Hoopdata location stats, where his FG% at the rim jumped 13 full percentage points to 53.8%. He still gets blocked fairly often but he has gotten much better at getting to the hoop. His PER also rose to 15.96, above the NBA average. 

My one big problem is his offensive inconsistency considering his obvious shortcomings on defense. To summarize D.J.'s problems on defense, he doesn't challenge shots well, doesn't fight through screens well, gets taken off the dribble by quickness, and isn't very strong or tall so he can get posted up with ease. But I'd accept that if he were more consistent on offense. He should be able to drop the open three nearly at a better rate. Regardless, Augustin made substantial improvements and proved that he can be a starting point guard in the NBA, even if he showed distressing stretches of inconsistency.

Looking to the future

So in addition to seeing D.J.'s offense get more consistent, I'd like to see him work on developing a more diverse offensive game. He showed us some of those moves as the season ended. Augustin also said he's looking to add a floater over the offseason. Perhaps one the most interesting point I'm looking at is how Augustin responds to having a much more trusting and encouraging coach to work with him in the offseason.

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THE QUIET CAPTAIN

        I’ve grown to really like “the little man” but I also liked Felton and Earl Boykins ! If MJ isn’t going to re-sign past starters then why should I think he’ll give DJA a nice fat contract when it comes due.

by chris in union county on Apr 16, 2011 7:02 AM EDT reply actions  

JEEPERS H. CRACKERS

Let it go about this supposed “MJ won’t spend a dime” thing. He re-signed Tyrus Thomas to a fat contract last season. Where are you getting this idea that he won’t re-sign players? From the Gerald Wallace trade? That trade had more about making a move to rebuild the team and concentrating on a youth movement while opening up room in the future to be able to sign free agents. While cutting the payroll was an objective in that trade as well, it definitely wasn’t the only reason. MJ will pay to keep talent or he will not succeed as an owner — and he knows this. It’s that simple.

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by Ben Swanson on Apr 16, 2011 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

I am sick of the MJ is “Cheap” and “won’t spend”
He has said he will only spend when he has a “top 4 team” possibility. Give him time. The Bobcats have TRULY existed for 1 year.

The 6 years with Bob Johnson don’t count.

Ben, Trade Street Post has a 3 part series on roster Analysis if you do a Weekend Links section this weekend…

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by andrewlail76 on Apr 16, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Q. What Do You Tell A Girl With Two Black Eyes?
A. Nothing, You've Already Told Her Twice.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 16, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

It seemed pretty obvious he was talking about the PG position, specifically.

We’ve never really held on to our guys there, despite them having had (at times) some successful runs.
P.S.: Remember how he was able to resign Tyrus? Yeah, by trading assets for the sole sake of being able to cut payroll in the form of Dampier.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.

by MichaelProcton on Apr 17, 2011 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

What difference does posistion make?

If the player shows enough potential, then that’s all that matters. The only player we’ve seen let go of any significance from that position is Felton.

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A. Nothing, You've Already Told Her Twice.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 18, 2011 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tyrus Thomas.

And no, that’s not me saying Thomas is great, that’s me saying that he showed enough potential for us to resign him when the time came. Same with Okafor and Wallace.

Q. What Do You Tell A Girl With Two Black Eyes?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 18, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, I should have clarified better
The only player we’ve seen let go of any significance from that position is Felton.

Has there been a PG of any significance besides Felton that the Bobcats kept?

by ClipCat on Apr 18, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know if we've had any PG's of significance

other than Felton and Augustin worth keeping, though a case could be made for Brevin Knight.

Q. What Do You Tell A Girl With Two Black Eyes?
A. Nothing, You've Already Told Her Twice.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 18, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okafor, traded. Wallace, traded.

How long will it take before they back out of their commitment to Thomas in just the same way?

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 19, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

The point is they signed them to the contracts.

I’m sure had the team been producing like they were expected to, they’d all be here right now. But it’s not just the Bobcats. It’s a pattern every team in the NBA follows. I mean, how do you think players like Vlad Rad and Eddy Curry, and Brian Cardinal ended up with the contracts they had? I know it’s not quite the same because Okafor and Wallace were still contributing what they were when the contracts were signed, but it’s still the best route to follow. You can let them walk when they are free agents and lose them for nothing when they played at a high level, or you can sign them to contracts, see if they ever raise their level of play or the team greatly improves and keep them, or end up trading them for picks or just finding away to rid themselves of their mistakes by trading for an expiring. Bottom line, you know like I know that we weren’t a championship contending team with those guys. I guess I’m just saying I really don’t know what you expect them to do.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 19, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I expect them to hold on to players who earn the contracts they were signed to.

Okafor contributed far more to NO last year than Chandler gave us at a lower salary figure. So how was that an improvement?

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.

by MichaelProcton on Apr 19, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its not an improvement on the court.

But that’s not what the issue is here. The issue is the size and duration of his contract. If we hold on to everybody, we are back in the luxury tax with just a decent team. That’s not what MJ wants at this point

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 19, 2011 5:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The solution should have been to stop trading for overpaid, mediocre vets and keep the productive players on the team. If the Bobcats just did nothing and made no trades over the last three years, they would be a more talented team with a much lower payroll.

by ClipCat on Apr 19, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

How would their payroll be lower?

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 19, 2011 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because they wouldn't have declining (or never were any good) veterans like Jackson, Diop, Mohammed, Najera, Carroll, et al on the payroll.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.

by MichaelProcton on Apr 20, 2011 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

But they would have

Wallace, Okafor, Felton and all of these other guys at 10+ million salaries.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 20, 2011 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who said anything about signing Felton?

Either way, to overpay for above-average production is far better than to overpay for no production at all.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.

by MichaelProcton on Apr 20, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Clipcat said to stop trading for overpaid vets and keep the productive players,

which I took as, re-signing Felton.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 20, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

You replied to me, not him.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.

by MichaelProcton on Apr 20, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

But you replied to me.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 20, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Felton doesn't matter that much, but I was assuming he wanted out and left

I’ve written this post before, but here goes again. If the Bobcats had skipped all the silly trades made the last few years (starting with the trade for Nazr) but still signed the same free agents, the team would consist of:

Augustin, Liv, J-Rich, Hendo, Carroll
Wallace, Dudley, D.Brown
Okafor, K.Brown
2010 1st Round Pick

That team would cost $54.2M, while the current Bobcats’ team payrole is just below $66M (all numbers from ShamSports). Substituting Felton for Liv still results in a payrole near the salary cap. PF would be the obvious hole on that team, but Charlotte would have had the financial flexibility to acquire one via trade or the MLE.

Going into next season, J-Rich, Dudley, D.Brown, and K.Brown would expire, and the #9 pick (although it’d probably be much lower) would be added. That leaves 8 players earning $40M.

What’s not to like! Charlotte would have an established core and plenty of cap space to complete the team. But some people would rather believe that Okafor, J-Rich, and Wallace were too expensive.

by ClipCat on Apr 20, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hard to argue with you there

Sometimes doing nothing is the best thing to do.

My heart pumps no Kool-Aid

by Bring Back Primoz on Apr 20, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're right.

But the key thing you’re leaving out is the lack of wins and the lack of improvement. No team is content sitting there and hoping that their roster gets better year after year with the same players.

I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 20, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe they should be

Building through quick fix trades has backfired badly. The Bobcats were improving every year until Jordan hired Sam Vincent. Had the team stuck to a more conservative approach under a more mainstream NBA coach (Paul Silas), I’m confident they would be winning on the order of the Hawks. And they would be a more attractive destination for free agents with greater cap flexibility as they tried to make the jump to an elite team.

by ClipCat on Apr 21, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I agree that teams should be more patient,

but at the same time, that’s just not the way the NBA operates. GM’s don’t keep their jobs winning two more games than the last season and still being under .500. With each offseason comes a new chance to build for the future and turn things around and not many people are ok sitting on their hands waiting for something to happen.

I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 21, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

Then why weren’t Higgins and Larry Brown fired immediately after pulling off a three-win improvement and a record under .500 in Brown’s first year despite greatly expanding the payroll?

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.

by MichaelProcton on Apr 24, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Obviously I was

Referring to the baby steps bickerstaff was taking, and obviously no one is going to fire a hall of fame coach after one year, but I’m sure we can find some kind of unnecessary argument in this if you choose to Michael.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 24, 2011 7:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Baby steps is how you become a CONSISTENT winner.

Taking shortcuts is the easiest way to ruin a franchise. Didn’t you just see this team win less than 35 games despite having to cut payroll simply not to pay luxury tax?

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.

by MichaelProcton on Apr 25, 2011 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Michael,

like I said, I don’t agree with the direction that Brown and Jordan took the franchise initially. I was VERY happy under Bickerstaff’s constant improving. But that’s not the same team that we are currently rebuilding. Those guys that I really wanted to build around (Okafor, Shannon Brown, Dudley, and Felton) are already gone. Wallace was also one that I really wanted to keep, but he has been sacraficed for a greater cause.

I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 29, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

This.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.

by MichaelProcton on Apr 24, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes they are.

Oklahoma City, Portland, and Atlanta have all patiently waited on their young cores to build and grow together.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.

by MichaelProcton on Apr 24, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

Oklahoma City – Their team revolves around Kevin Durant (perennial MVP candidate) and Russell Westbrook (perennial All-Star). None of our core never put up those type of accomplishments. James Harden and Serge Ibaka are still fairly new to the league and the other member of their “core” (Jeff Green) has already been dealt. They’ve only had one terrible season with their “core”, and have been getting better every season. So what reason would they feel the need to rebuild?

Portland -Same thing, who do you consider the “core” outside of Roy, Oden, and Aldridge? Either way, they’ve been a perennial playoff team with their “core”, so why would they feel the need to blow everything up?

Atlanta – Where is Mike Woodson at nowadays and are they championship caliber? Will they ever be? Atlanta hasn’t hit the button yet because they fool themselves every year into thinking their “closer”, but everyone knows they are not getting past the second round.

I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 24, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're the one that claimed nobody built patiently.

You have made my argument for me. These teams drafted well and have used those players to become competitive.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.

by MichaelProcton on Apr 25, 2011 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently you don't understand

building patiently while being a playoff team and building patiently while getting 31 wins one year and 33 the next. Neither the Hawks, Thunder, or Blazers ever sat through that.

I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 29, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

Atlanta’s first four years under Mike Woodson:
‘04-’05: 13 wins
‘05-’06: 26
‘06-’07: 30
‘07-’08: 37
A 24-win improvement in four years is six a year. Seems pretty gradual to me.
A four-year span for OKC:
‘05-’06: 35
‘06-’07: 31
‘07-’08: 20
‘08-’09: 23
Hardly roses and candy there either, and even with their 50 wins the next year included, that’s still only three wins a year worth of improvement.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.

by MichaelProcton on May 2, 2011 5:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not discussing how many wins they improved by each year,

I’m discussing their willingness to hold on to all of their core players through it all. Gerald Wallace was our Joe Johnson/Kevin Durant. Felton was our Westbrook/Bibby. We never had our “star”, though Crash came pretty close. But I get your point though, for the most part, they stayed true to their game plan, which is really what I wished we had done back in the day. As a matter of fact, it upsets me a little seeing a team like Memphis achieve so much right now because I think we would be at that stage now had we not tore everything down the first time.

I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.

by Charlotte Bobcat on May 2, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

This.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.

by MichaelProcton on Apr 20, 2011 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree but...

We’ve never really had more than 3 or 4 really productive players (still dont really) and all of those players where overpaid mediocre vets

by focuslja on Apr 20, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Above average is better than below average

If guys like Crash, Okafor and J-Rich are mediocre and overpaid, then what are Diaw, Jax, Thomas, and Diop (the current 4 highest paid players)?

by ClipCat on Apr 20, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Crash and JRich arent but…the rest of them are. Tyrus isnt a vet but he is mediocre and overpaid. Diaw and JAX are overpaid but I dont think they are mediocre. Okafor is overpaid. Diop is all of the above

by focuslja on Apr 20, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

tyrus is overpaid

but he certainly isn’t mediocre

do you actually watch basketball?

by adamcawa on Apr 20, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep

and I havent seen Tyrus play damn near all season…

by focuslja on Apr 20, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

being injured

doesn’t make someone “mediocre”

when he was on the floor he made an impact

by adamcawa on Apr 21, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

did he really?

last time i seen him on the floor he played like an oversized rookie hockey player and injured himself again

by focuslja on Apr 21, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

are you serious?

if i’m not mistaken, he lead our team in +/- when healthy and also PER

by adamcawa on Apr 21, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ima Reason with you bc

Im a stats man myself but come on. Really +/- and PER. He got healthy for 2 or 3gms and ended up hurt again. Who cares about PER and +/- when you’re always hurt. (and yes his injuries date back to CHI) and have a ridiculous attitude problem. He doesnt deserve to have an attitude problem. JAX does but JAX can give you 30/40pts any given time. He isnt that good Tyrus = Stromile Swift

by focuslja on Apr 21, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

he played 41 games

that’s half a season

Sure, I’d have liked to see him on the floor more. He played in at least 72 games in all three full seasons with Chicago. He almost played 70 games in his trade shortened season last year.

That’s certainly a small sample size to say he’s “always injured”. By your logic, Yao Ming, Grant Hill, Tracy McGrady, Carlos Boozer and plenty of other (former?) stars were mediocre.

Sinc you apparently like measurable stats, 10.2 points, 5.5 rebounds 1.6 blocks in 21 minutes

That’s much more contribution than what Boris Diaw did in his 34 minutes.

by adamcawa on Apr 21, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Its easy to have those numbers in 41gms

He’s been injured 3 or 4 times in 4 seasons. That is always hurt. Thats not durable. All those guys with the exception of Grant Hill played solid basketball and were proven players b4 they were hit with the injury bug, Tyrus has done nothing amazing or allstar caliber in any season and shouldnt be mentioned with them. Maybe Darius Miles or Stromile is a better comparison (and he hasnt had a Darius Miles season yet)

by focuslja on Apr 21, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.

Ming, Hill, McGrady, and Boozer all put up All-Star caliber numbers during the stretches when they were healthy. Thomas has put up very average production among starters.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.

by MichaelProcton on Apr 24, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Trade-shortened?"

What are you talking about? If anything he may have missed one game. Futher, I’m not certain how 54 games last year equates to “almost 70.” The truth of the matter is he’s missed 67 games the last two years, and for a player as young as he is, that’s a concern. No matter how much they don’t want to admit it, his knee problems can’t be as prevalent as they are without some kind of relationship between them.

Finally, the most important stat you list is his 21 minutes. If a young player who theoretically has upside can’t earn any more minutes than that for a team this bad, there’s a problem. And his 21.8 MPG after January would suggest that it’s not just a Larry Brown problem, either.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.

by MichaelProcton on Apr 24, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

29 games in Chicago+24 games here≠64.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 25, 2011 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough.

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Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.

by MichaelProcton on Apr 25, 2011 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

When it's a continuation of a career-long trend...

It sure does. He wasn’t special when he was on the floor.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.

by MichaelProcton on Apr 24, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, he is.

He’s never shown sustained ability to produce at an even average starter level.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.

by MichaelProcton on Apr 24, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

But what Chandler did for us defensively is way more than OAK could do (outside of UConn)…Defense isnt necessarily a steal or block. Chandler provide a post presence that could get under the skin of most center. What he did to Dwight in the playoffs last year was exactly what the trade was about. The other pieces (guards) just couldnt get it together. Look at what Tyson has done with Dallas.

by focuslja on Apr 20, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

What he did to Howard was irrelevant.

We still got stomped every game.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.

by MichaelProcton on Apr 20, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

No We Didnt

ATL got stomped. We lost by less than 12 almost every game. Without him and Chandler we wouldve got stomped

by focuslja on Apr 20, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

sweep = stomp

every single day of the week

by adamcawa on Apr 20, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

He said

“WE GOT STOMPED EVERY GAME” u cant get swept every game…so as i said, we didnt get stomped every game

by focuslja on Apr 20, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

regardless

we got stomped by orlando

you can’t sugar coat it however you want

by adamcawa on Apr 20, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didnt say we didnt bro

i said we didnt get stomped every game

by focuslja on Apr 20, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

...except for that time we lost by 15.

We lost by an average of 9+ a game. In a series between “playoff-caliber” teams, that’s pitiful. And I’m not exactly sure how much Chandler limited Howard relative to their game plan. Yes, he only scored 39 points in the four games. But he only took 27 shots, and hit on nearly 50% of them.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 24, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thomas shouldnt be mentioned in the same sentence with those guys

They actually played and put up good numbers. Thomas…well he’s Stromile. I’d rather have Glen Davis

by focuslja on Apr 20, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

so pretty much

everything i said would happen this season happened

bobcats didn’t make the playoffs

defenses would eventually key on dj and stop him (especially without Crash and Jackson)

the Bobcats 100% would not make the playoffs without Crash

and now we’re two years from competing for anything…

Yes… everything Michael Jordan has done has been sooo awesome.

BTW, I said I’d curse MJ out and I did. Unfortunately, I missed the season ticket holders meeting while on vacation, so I didn’t get to do it there in a public forum, but I did send him a letter. Basically, it said, “If I don’t see some sign of improvement next year, I’m no longer buying season tickets.” I would’ve not bought them this year, but I already had.

Which reminds me… since the bobcats are going to probably suck thoroughly next year, I should have plenty of games available for those interested, as I couldn’t care less to see a crappy losing team with no stars to rally behind.

by adamcawa on Apr 16, 2011 11:04 AM EDT reply actions  

They would have made the playoffs

had Paul Silas been in place the whole year OR had Crash not been traded at the deadline. But that’s the whole point. MJ isn’t content with just making the playoffs and wants his team in a better position to compete. Although we could have made the playoffs, we still would have been doing it riding the backs of players with little room to improve (Jackson, Diaw, Crash, Mohammed) and we still would have been a 6th seed at best. Like I say, in my heart, I would prefer for us to be playing the Bulls in game 1 today, but at the same time, I understand MJ’s plan and it’s just not realistic at all for anyone to think that all of the benefits of his moves have already been seen.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 16, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

the big picture

is what concerned fans with basketball IQ’s see in the moves MJ made. If he kept the team as is we would have made the playoffs this year barely, with that LB start. We would have been swept or won one game, had one draft pick in the 20,s and Nazr’z expired contract. MJ would have made a trade like he did this year next season anyway. That trade was a hard one for us all to deal with but were better off for it with the options we have right now.

ezrock

by ezrock on Apr 16, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

But what are these future options the team created?

Including the draft picks, the team has close to $54M in guaranteed salary committed to next season, and that’s before signing Dante Cunningham or the 2nd round pick. So Charlotte can’t offer more than the MLE to a free agent this year (not that they want to). Wallace did have a player option for 2012-2013, but he is likely to opt out to sign his last big contract any way.

So is getting that option year off the books what MJ meant by creating future options? Because I haven’t heard a lot of detail on that point from MJ or any of his apologists.

The idea of trading Wallace away in order to open future opportunities sounds very much like the arguments made two years ago when Okafor was traded. I’ve yet to see the team use the future roster flexibility supposedly generated by the Okafor trade to improve the team. Or was re-signing Ty Thomas the “improvement?” If so, that would mean the team effectively traded a core starter and a future 1st rounder for a player who hasn’t been able to consistently crack the starting lineup after five seasons (and the invaluable services of Najera and Carroll of course). With improvements like that, this team will be on par with the expansion Bobcats in a couple years. Hooray for MJ and rebuilding!!

by ClipCat on Apr 18, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You can't just look at the Wallace deal and think about the dollars.

We got draft picks out of the deal as well. I’ll need to see what we do with those picks before I call the Wallace deal a failure.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 18, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I won’t. Late first round picks aren’t worth much. They have low trade value (outside of Charlotte anyway) and only occaisonally are converted into even average NBA players.

by ClipCat on Apr 18, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

tho I understand freeing up cap space and acquiring picks (only if the picks are used in a trade package for an already established player)

by focuslja on Apr 18, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

How often does that scenario actually happen?

People often mention that as a possibility, but I’d like to see where a low 1st-rounder (the awful quality of this draft notwithstanding) has been swapped for an established, quality rotation-caliber player.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 19, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

U missed the point kinda

I said package the picks (not just the LOW picks). Face it, at the 9th pick (in the awful quality of this draft notwithstanding…see what i did there?) we are better off getting a young vet (2 to 5yr player) for that 9th pick. I dont think Marcus Morris (who is projected there in most mocks) or any player projected to go lower will be any better/productive than say a Jared Dudley, Chase Budinger, Cole Aldrich, Fernandez, Blatche, Ibaka, Jordan, Lopez, Mozgov)…This is our chance actually to get a allstar caliber player that will lure the Chris Pauls smh of the world to our team. Brandon Roy is unhappy. Frye wants to leave, Butler maybe gone, Mayo/Gay will be a decision to be made…its so much we can do with that 9th Pick. Its a stretch, and probably wont happen but I think IT IS WELL WORTH THE RISK THIS SEASON

by focuslja on Apr 20, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

No Brandon Roy.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 20, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, I'm sure Channing Frye wants to leave Phoenix after putting up the best two seasons of his career there.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 20, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

He won't succeed anywhere else.

Well, maybe Orlando or somewhere like that.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 20, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

...which explains why he wants to leave?

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 20, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, which explains why he doesn't want to leave.

I can agree with you on certain things Michael.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 20, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well He IS in PHX

inflated stats….everyone puts up career numbers in PHX and go on to fail everywhere else (except Joe Johnson who escape the PHX curse)

by focuslja on Apr 20, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

D'Antoni?

Duhon avg 8pts Larry Hughes 10pts T-Mac 10pts Al Harrington18pts Nate Robinson 14pts…this is the 09-10 season. Inflated stats sorry

by focuslja on Apr 20, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah because

he was totally awful without d’antoni right?

by adamcawa on Apr 20, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its the SAME offense...PHX GS NY is a run and gun offense...which = inflated stats

Ellis would not be top 10 in scoring if he wasnt on GS. Nobody on GS and PHX and NY would avg what they avg on another. You splitting hairs now

by focuslja on Apr 20, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's dumb logic

Kobe Bryant wouldn’t average what he does if he didn’t use so many of his team’s possessions.

Just because a player doesn’t repeat his “offensive” statistical numbers after he leaves Phoenix doesn’t mean he’s not as good.

And why couldn’t David Lee do what Amare did in the same offense? Obviously Amare is a better player. Funny how I’ve never heard any NBA analysts say “well, Amare is good, but he’s not great because he plays in a free flowing offense. On any other team he wouldn’t be hte rediculously athletic, powerful and smart big man he is. That’s just the offense.”

by adamcawa on Apr 21, 2011 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

nobody says he sucks

David Lee was exactly terrible in the NY offense if Im not mistaken. 20 & 10 guy. Amare is better than David Lee. Amare is a top 15 player regardless but no way he put up those numbers in Hou or SA. He would still be good but he wouldnt put up those ridiculous numbers. PS. David Lee went to GS and did the same thing bc of the offense. Run and Gun teams = More Rebounds/more pts period

by focuslja on Apr 21, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

i understand that

but you’re discounting defensive statistics

that’s where (and why) amare is head and shoulders (almost literally hehe) above David Lee

I love David Lee, too. He has some rediculously good feet for a big man.

by adamcawa on Apr 21, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would suggest that neither is a defensive powerhouse.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 24, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Barbosa was basically as good this year when healthy as he ever was in Phoenix.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 24, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

He didn't start a single game for Toronto

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by Ben Swanson on Apr 24, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reading is FUNdamental.

Hell, his minutes weren’t even huge this year (5th of his 8 seasons on a per-game basis.)

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 25, 2011 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

One of the picks is Portland's

and there is no telling how that one can end up. If the Blazers are swept out this year by the Mavs, they may throw themselves into rebuilding mode next year, so that could help. And I wouldn’t call New Orlean’s 18th pick a late rounder, but a mid rounder. They don’t carry much value alone, but they can be packaged with other picks or players to make it worth it. We could probably be like “let’s trade this number 8 and number 18” for the number four pick or something like that. I mean, I know where you’re coming from, but this pick could put us in position to get another player that we REALLY want, almost like how we could have packaged Felton and May for CP3. I’m not saying it holds a whole lot of value, but it does hold some. And if our scouting department is on their job, it could end up being another diamond in the rough. But I get where you’re coming from.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 18, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

We’ll see, but I find the idea that Charlotte could trade the 9th and 19th (their actual draft positions) for the 4th pick to be wishful thinking. Maybe those two picks could net the 7th or 8th pick, but I really don’t see any incentive for teams to trade down. This draft continues to get weaker and thinner with each top prospect that decides to stay in school. I’ll be surprised if more than 5 players in this draft become consistant NBA starters during their careers.

by ClipCat on Apr 18, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think its dumb to trade 2 picks for another pick anyway

I seems like the norm nowadays but to me, getting a 2 or 3yr player is alot better than getting another pick. Because all picks are risks. Oh and I still think Keleena should be a picked up. Or our pick can be traded for T-Will (i will never sway my opinion on that)

by focuslja on Apr 18, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's not dumb

when you have a draft that’s percieved as weak as this one

Why wouldn’t we trade two picks, when neither are likely to amount to much more than a role player, for a top 5 pick who would be at least a contributer, a star at most?

Ultimately, though, we don’t know how this lottery will turn out. You never know, the Bobcats might have a top 5 pick. We only really need to draft higher than either Cleveland or Toronto, anyway, to net one of the two legitimate big men.

by adamcawa on Apr 19, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

Maybe they could throw one of the young guns in there to sweeten the deal.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 21, 2011 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

When does NO have the #18 pick?

P.S.: Remember when we decided it would be an awesome idea to pass on Chris Paul? It was going to cost 5+13 to move up only to 4. 8+18 might get us to…7?

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 19, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats the case when there are elite players in the draft

That you are trying to trade up for, but if everyone in this one is as garbage as you claim, it shouldn’t be that much of a problem.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 19, 2011 5:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

or JAX & Tyrus were healthy for the last 15 games of the season

or the refs would have called that foul when JAX went up for the game winner against the Pacers.

by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Apr 16, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 18, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah id like to see you cuss MJ out

And wow way to be a fan dude geez get out of here

by TS BOBCAT on Apr 16, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Its not Fans like these.

Whether MJ was the owner or not, he’s always had his hand in/on/around the operations. This “first year” stuff is bullcrap. Im sure Bob Johnson realized in year 5 or 6 that this being mediocre wasnt lucrative enough for his liking (not giving him an excuse). MJ hired Larry Brown. MJ allowed for the waste of money spent on Tyrus. (We shouldve let NJ take him but hindsight is 20/20)…you cant blame ppl for not wanting to wait another 2yrs (making about 9 or 10yrs) for us to even talk about being a #10 team, much less a #8 or 7. Meaning it’ll probably take about 4yrs for us to bring this “destination team/contender” masterplan into fruition. Which totals to (for most of the “disgruntled fans”) 11yrs of rooting for mediocrity. Move Fast MJ. Spend MONEY MJ.

by focuslja on Apr 16, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Money spent

Doesn’t mean an automatic championship. Chandler, Felton, and Wallace are all good players, but with the way our roster is built and our contracts are structured, them along with Jackson and Diop needed to go. It seems as though a lot of people are forgetting that there is such thing as a salary cap in the NBA. Everyone is looking at it as MJ saving himself money rather than positioning his team to be able to sign a big free agent, and I don’t think that’s fair to Mj.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 16, 2011 10:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly

MJ has said on numerous occasions that he is more than willing to shell out the money for a contender…I hated to see GW traded as much as anyone. I knew that Chandler and Felton would be hard to let go as well, but in the grand scheme, no doubt MJ and the boys are trying to build something. Everybody just chill and let them do what it is that they are trying to do…Will we make the playoffs next year? Probably not, but i’m willing to give up a season to see something special in the making…

by kittylover on Apr 16, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cap space doesn't automatically do ANYTHING for you.

Look at the Nets this past summer. Who did they get with their oodles of cap space? Travis Outlaw. Awesome.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 17, 2011 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're right.

That’s the Nets dumbasses faults for doing that. But cap space can automatically do SOMETHING for you. Ask the Miami Heat and New York Knicks about that.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 18, 2011 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's hardly their fault at all.

They tried to sign plenty of marquee free agents, including Boozer and LeBron. They just discovered that nobody wanted to come play for them, in spite of a decent young core featuring Devin Harris and Lopez, their celebrity ownership (Jay-Z) and the upcoming move to Brooklyn.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 19, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is their fault for not just holding on to their cap space.

I knew Petro and Outlaw were bad moves as soon as they were made. If I was the GM, after the stars of free agency declined, I would have filled out the rest of the roster with players on 1 year deals.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 19, 2011 5:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

...because it's a good thing to not even TRY to compete?

Great message you’d send to your team and its fans as a GM.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 20, 2011 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, they've made a mess that they need to clean up now, so,

whatever. Did all that cap clearing and now don’t have space for anything. Great strategy.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 20, 2011 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Quit bitching

And find another team to cheer for

by Pantherfan 2 on Apr 16, 2011 11:45 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

B-

is about the right grade for DJ. As a first year starter something very important that wasn’t mentioned he was decent. Being responsible to be a leader for the first time for 82 games is nothing like playing off the bench. I expect DJ to come into next season in better condition to deal with the rigor’s of an 82 game schedule and possible playoff contention. I think he lost his legs as the season wore on because he wasn’t used to playing that many minutes. I’m sure he will improve offensively, but I hope he really improves defensively on pick and roll and staying in front of his man. His team mates automatically provided help defense for him on certain areas of the court which cost us at times when we needed stops. I’m a DJ fan, I feel he will be a better PG with the experience he’s had this year but his defense is too suspect. Better legs and upper body strength can help the weakest parts of his game. Hit the gym hard this summer DJ.

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by ezrock on Apr 16, 2011 12:00 PM EDT reply actions  

D.J.

I have been pretty critical of him, because he doesn’t do what I want my PG’s to do. He is not a leader. He is not very creative in getting teammates involved. He has serious trouble pressuring the ball defensively. I do like his outside shooting, but with his size he needs a consistent floater when attacking the basket. His assist to turnover ratio was impressive, but he will never be a pass first PG. I hope he can improve in the offseason and I expect him to be our starter at least through next year. Grade: C

by kittylover on Apr 16, 2011 2:46 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I think he said something about that floater which I totally agree with

I think he will develop into a passer (maybe never a pass first) which is totally fine with me. To me his ability to score at the PG pos is only matched by a few PGs. I began to see him improve his passing at season’s end but those game are 50/50 in judging his actual abilities. But I cant see myself giving him much higher than a C+

by focuslja on Apr 16, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I tend to agree that he's not a great playmaker

But we have to remember who he’s working with here. While this team performed well down the stretch for their talents, most teams would put about 3/5 of our starters on their bench.

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by Ben Swanson on Apr 17, 2011 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

A BIG +1!!!

Hard to make plays for mediocre players at best. Exactly why Felton “appeared” better in NY

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by andrewlail76 on Apr 17, 2011 3:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

...and the system which let him not make decisions, but throw it to a guy who had nobody on him as they raced up the court.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 17, 2011 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

..."not very creative" as a distributor?

His assist rates are better than anything Ray Felton ever put up, and he’s extraordinarily intelligent and consistent in his decision-making, with a ridiculously good A:TO ratio (6th in the NBA this year.)

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 17, 2011 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I remember when Felton left...

how so many were talking and thinking about doomsday scenarios (including Larry Brown, perhaps?). I’ve always liked DJ, going back to his days in Texas. I liked what I saw during his rookie season, and I basically felt that he was an important part of our team. Then Year 2 came along, with Larry Brown. Sophomore Slump, anyone? During this time, people were just trashing the guy. Yeah, I’ll be honest, it was a rough season for him, but I feel there were many reasons for that, one of them being LB. I don’t think DJ received enough playing quality time that year either.

So, as expected from most people, as soon as Felton walked up to NYC and we were ‘stuck’ with DJ, people started going nuts. You guys remember the start of the season, right? I always felt comfortable with DJ, and I expected we’d be in good hands. Seems like my feelings were right.

But wait, you say! DJ is blah blah blah blah. Yeah, I know. Is he perfect? No, of course not, but he’s given us a lot this season, as well as shown us that he still has room to improve. He’s had his slumps here and there, his defense has a lot to be desired, but, he became a much more vocal, an efficient player under Silas. This past season, he’s 21st in the league with assists, at 6.1 APG. and 10th in assists per turnover, at 3.2. He’s like a 91% free-throw shooter, one of the tops of the league.

Yeah, he’s going to have to work on various things, but I’m happy with him, and I look forward to his development. As a side note, I was always very intrigued when both DJ and Livingston played together.

by Roger, Roger on Apr 16, 2011 7:11 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Good synopsis of the last couple years of the DJ debate.

I wasn’t quite as comfortable with DJ going into this season, but he stepped up to his promotion to the starting lineup in a big way, especially in the first half of the season. I’m optimistic he’ll make incremental improvements next season and will benefit from having the experience of a year as the team’s starting PG.

That said, DJ can be contained when the other team’s defense focuses on stopping him, and he obviously needs his teammates to convert scoring opportunities in order to produce assists. So I’m certainly not expecting him to jump up to the level of the league’s elite. But I do expect that with good health, he’ll be able maintain his 2011 first half production for the full season next year.

by ClipCat on Apr 18, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

DJ's second season

he suffered an abdominal injury early in the season that set him back. He missed a lot of games, then LB set him back. Next season is the one for us to judge who is the real DJ. Better team mates will make him a better PG, opposing teams will have to respect our pick and roll instead of doubling him and disregarding the pick.

ezrock

by ezrock on Apr 16, 2011 9:15 PM EDT reply actions  

it wont let me reply so..

@ TS BOBCAT

Go buy season tickets first, but until then you don’t have the right to tell me what kind of fan I am. I paid for my right to voice my opinion to Michael Jordan. How many games did you go to this year? Loser.

I completely disagreed with the moves Jordan made and considering the fact that he promised us playoffs both before the season and after the trade, it looks like I was right. We could’ve gotten just as much as we got for Crash by trading Boris and Jackson in the offseason.

“Going younger” is always preached in the NBA, but it hardly works. OKC is the exception to the rule. But every other contending team in the NBA has a solid veteran core and at least one superstar. The last team to win a championship without a superstar was Detroit, but at the time, everyone would’ve considered Ben Wallace to be an elite player. I’m rambling now.

by adamcawa on Apr 16, 2011 10:59 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I agree that you have every right to say what you want to. However...

I don’t understand your theory about building a team. You are correct, veteran teams with a superstar win championships. We had a veteran team (which we completely maxed out our financial means to build) with good players and clearly the ceiling of our team was a first-round playoff exit. You could argue that we were only a couple of pieces away, but that’s irrelevant because we had zero money to acquire any more pieces. In that situation the wise albeit painful move is to tear it down and try to build something better back up.

You make it sound like getting younger means you cant win. Well sure, not for a couple years, but the point of getting younger is to build a solid young core that will develop into a really good team of VETERANS. If we add young talent around DJ/Hendo/Tyrus/DJWhite/etc. through draft picks and free agency we can have a great veteran core in 3-4 years. If we wait until later to build up our youth, those new guys won’t realize their potential in alignment with our current young guys and things will never come together at the same time, so we need to start building now.

To this point, Gerald Wallace is the bomb (check my sig), but sadly at his age by the time we build into a serious contender he’ll pretty much be done. So the gut-wrenching but necessary move is to move him to give us more picks and cap room to supplement the youth movement. It’s easy to say we could have trading Jax/Diaw instead, but looking at what we got for Gerald I cant imagine anybody was willing to give us anything of consequence for either one of them.

If we hit on a couple of these upcoming draft picks we’re in bidness!

Gerald Wallace is the way, the truth, and the light

by Air_Bobcats on Apr 17, 2011 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

when young players get good

they get too expensive

Will Jordan pay to keep them around? Will they even want to stay around?

Free agents used to want to come to Charlotte. I hope they do in the future, but I have a feeling the superstar players are reluctant to come for fear of always having the stigma of being compared to Michael Jordan.

I ask, in three years, when we’re still out of the playoffs, will ya’ll be saying trading Gerald was a good idea? This is going to be one of the worst drafts in awhile, in possibly a lowered cap year. We needed warm bodies, not picks. Hopefully we’ll get a top 5 pick, but outside the expected top 5 this year, no one is NBA ready. That includes Kemba Walker and Kyrie Irving.

I understand the situation we were in, but whose fault was it? The reason those players were kept around was because Jordan promised us playoffs, and we didn’t make it. Everyone knew we were nothing more than a 7-8 seed at best anyway with a first round exit going into the season. Why not blow up the team in the offseason? We missed out on last year’s draft. Hell, I think I could’ve stomached trading Wallace last year if it landed us Cousins or something.

Now our team is basically a bunch of players who on most other teams would be role players at best, except DJ Augustin. That includes Tyrus Thomas. Heck, if DJ can’t figure out how to be a smarter point gaurd, he probably would be a role player as well.

by adamcawa on Apr 17, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

It is certainly a shame we couldn't get more for Gerald

Though in the end I still think it was the right move considering it was the only means of adding picks/cap space (nobody would take Jax/Diaw)

And I actually agree that it would have been ideal to have started the rebuild this past offseason. It was already clear how lackluster the ceiling was, and we could have got more for our guys. Coming off of a playoff appearance though that move would have been extremely poorly received (worse than it was when it happened at the trade deadline); at least with how we were playing the writing was on the wall that it was time to commit to the youth movement. Not to mention that with Larry at the helm there was no way we were trading away Jax/Wallace after how pissed he already was at the Raymond/Tyson scenario

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by Air_Bobcats on Apr 17, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Brown was so pissed...

He could have quit. Nobody forced him to take millions to coach a ball team. Tough life he led.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 18, 2011 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I completely agree

I was simply pointing out that his presence severely hampered our ability to begin to rebuild, since he (understandably) had zero interest in that and was only concerned about the short-term.

While the initial credibility boost that Larry gave us was nice, I guess you could pin some of the blame on MJ for keeping him around once rebuilding time came, especially since the pouting apparently poisoned the team. I still like Larry for reasons I can no longer understand, but he’s pretty much a jerk. Kind of ironic that he loves teaching so much yet has no interest in coaching up a young roster and helping them realize their potential

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by Air_Bobcats on Apr 18, 2011 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

You clearly aren't a fan of MJ right now

But honestly I really respect that he was willing to make this move to initiate the rebuild, knowing how unpopular it would be. It shows that he’s willing to do what he thinks is in the best long-term interest of the team, no matter how poorly it may be received or how it might hurt the team in the short-term.
If he doesn’t do anything to take advantage of this new-found financial flexibility, I’ll be right there with you in criticizing him, but I don’t think it will come to that

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by Air_Bobcats on Apr 17, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's the same guy...

*Who originally allowed us to start wasting cap space in trading for Jason Richardson and ultimately greenlighted moves for Mohammed, Diop, and what became Okafor—our most successful draft pick and a guy who would fill what he calls our “biggest need” as a rebounding, defending post player—for Matt Caroll, Eddie Najera, and a whopping $11 mil in cap space over the next two years (i.e. not even enough money to cover the salary a stud like Tyrus Thomas makes.)
*Who drafted Alexis Ajinca
*Who hired Sam Vincent based on the mere fact that they were friends.
*Who hired Larry Brown and allowed him to let young players like Augustin and Henderson rot on the bench at the expense of tapped-out veterans like Stephen Graham and Dominic McGuire.

The guy’s made a SLEW of awful moves, and I don’t understand why we should suddenly throw all our support behind him.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 18, 2011 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, in terms of why we should support him...

He’s now the majority owner of our team and despite some bad moves, he really seems to have the right intentions. Having said that, if you think he’s incompetent and don’t want to support him, that’s your call and I can see why you would feel that way.

A couple of defenses real quick:
—When we traded for the Ajinca pick, Roy Hibbert and Javale McGee (who the Bobcats both showed major interest in)were still on the board. The idea was to use the pick on a center, and both of those guys ended up getting drafted right before our pick, and we got stuck with the dud of the three. Point is, that could just have easily been a brilliant move, and plenty of lower 1st round picks don’t pan out anyways so nbd.
—The Tyson Chandler move, while it didnt save money overall, significantly lowered our cap figure this past year, which was need b/c we were right at the cap. And dont forget Tyson was largely worthless as a Bobcat. As a bonus, the Dampier chip had the potential to be a major asset, it just didn’t pan out.
—I still think hiring Larry Brown was a good idea that just didn’t work out too well, which was largely Larry Brown’s fault for being unprofessional/stubborn/etc.

Now that I’ve said all that, I’ll certainly concede that the Sam Vincent hire was unacceptable, and I’m not going to argue that MJ doesn’t have a rough track record as a personnel guy. I’m just optimistic that he can learn from his mistakes and get us on the right track, but who knows?

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by Air_Bobcats on Apr 18, 2011 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

*right at the luxury tax, not the cap

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by Air_Bobcats on Apr 18, 2011 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

  • When we traded for the Ajinca pick, the draft had not yet started (it was the day before), which I don’t think helps the argument. I do recall that they wanted Hibbert, but trading for a pick and crossing your fingers in hopes that a particular guy will be there with no actual idea as to whether he will or not seems stupid to me.
  • I understand Chandler was worthless. I also understood Okafor to be one of the most solid, consistent post players in the league. Double-double lock who provides great defense in the post. Didn’t Jordan just describe that kind of player as our biggest need? I’d certainly take him over Tyrus Thomas, who’s getting “overpaid” far more based on what he actually contributes. As to Dampier, the notion that we (again) traded for a “potential” asset—kind of like these throw-in young players and draft picks—and then had it not pan out seems like an indictment of the strategy.
  • If something doesn’t work out well, can it still have been a good idea? Brown was who we thought he was, no different than any other stop in his professional career.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 18, 2011 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Okafor

The problem with Okafor was that with the way the contracts were structured, we were basically building our team around him. And with Okafor being as “solid” as he is, you know you’ll be able to be at least halfway decent as a team so that elminates both the cap space we could use and the high draft picks that we would need. You can’t have him as the highest paid player on your team unless you’re in position to bring in better players at lower salaries (i.e., the draft). I understand trading his contract away. The only thing about Okafor’s situation I think they truly screwed up on was signing him to that fat contract when we were really the only ones bidding for his services at that time.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 18, 2011 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Trading Okafor definitely gets filed under "good move", not bad

Granted, we signed him to that albatross of a contract to begin with, but being able to clean up that mess was the way to go

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by Air_Bobcats on Apr 18, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

"Clean up that mess?" How do you figure?

We traded a player we could count on for toughness, durability, rebounding, shotblocking, and overall defense. Michael Jordan now admits that those are the very qualities in a post player our team needs most. Sounds like we just created a new mess we’ve done nothing to fix at all.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 19, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Toughness? Okafor? Mr. Yoga?

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 19, 2011 5:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

What does yoga have to do with toughness?

Okafor rebounded, played defense and didn’t miss many games. Can’t say that about any of the other centers the Bobcats have had. What is your definition of toughness?

by ClipCat on Apr 19, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Didn't miss many games? Do you remember the 05' and 06' seasons?

And my definition of toughness is anything outside of being a 7footer who has your shot rejected more than any other player in the league.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 19, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, because being blocked means you're not tough. Ha.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 20, 2011 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, when you are damn 7 feet tall, it does.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 20, 2011 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

i totally disagree

everyone gets blocked, the fact that he kept going back at it, makes him tough

by adamcawa on Apr 20, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe the word he was looking for is

Aggressive which is the ingredient that Okafor STILL lacks. He has everything it takes to be an allstar (avg a double double almost his whole career) except KILLER INSTINCT. Those wack finesse layups he used to do made me sick to my stomach. Dunk the damn ball OAK!!! Man I miss Alonzo and LJ.

by focuslja on Apr 20, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

That might be what’s throwing them off. You’re right, aggressive is a better word to describe what I don’t/didn’t like about Okafor.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 20, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is just no excuse when you are a 7 footer leading the league

in getting your shot rejected.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 20, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, how dare he do what was necessary to suit up every game.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 20, 2011 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

When did he suit up every game?

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 20, 2011 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

EVERY SINGLE GAME his last two years here and his first in New Orleans.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 20, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last two years doesn't equate to his whole time here.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 20, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, because a single injury means you can never be durable again.

Good call. You asked the question, I gave you the answer. He started over 250 consecutive games, but apparently that doesn’t impress you.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 20, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, like I said, he didn't start every game here.

You can’t take away the almost 2 years that he missed because of injury, added with all of his injury concerns coming out of college. You’re right, I’m not impressed at all about how many games a player plays. Boris Diaw has played in damn near every game since he’s been here. I guess we need to hold on to him huh, because he’s just so durable.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 20, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Almost two years?" Wow.

He missed a whopping 80 games in five seasons here (that’s 16 a year.) Last I checked, that’s not even ONE full season.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 20, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

From his rookie season to 07,

the man played in 73 games, then 26, and then 67. None of those are full seasons. But regardless of whether he was playing or not, he was still playing like a big soft ass center we couldn’t rely on to get us where we needed to be. Like I say, there aren’t many people talking about how big of a loss Okafor was to Charlotte.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 20, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

There are also people still talking about what a great coach Larry Brown is and how Ray Felton was the missing link.

Public opinion is hardly definitive.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 24, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're right. I forgot Okafor was leading the Hornets to glory.

Oh, wait…………..

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 24, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum are certainly impressed.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 25, 2011 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are they really?

I guess they were impressed when Aaron Gray was killing their ass too huh?

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 25, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aaron Gray has TOTALED 14-10-1 this series.

Okafor has averaged 8-5-1 while playing strong defense against the Laker bigs.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 25, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

You do realize that Aaron Gray got hurt don't you?

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 26, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, hurt SOOO badly he didn't miss a game.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, he was dominating before he suffered his injury,

so, whatever.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 26, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

For The Record

He was a guy I suggested would be a good backup behind Kwame b4 the playoffs. One thing about bigs is, you cant teach size

by focuslja on Apr 28, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that did Ajinca a lot of good.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 28, 2011 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

The contract is the part that is a "mess"

I completely agree that we are in dire need of someone with Okafor’s skill set. But his contract is way too expensive for someone who isn’t (or at least shouldn’t be) your team’s best player

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by Air_Bobcats on Apr 19, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Michael doesn't understand the contract side of things when it comes to Okafor.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 20, 2011 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

And CB doesn’t understand the concept of keeping talent on your team when it’s no more overpaid than any other option your team has a legitimate shot to get.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 20, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

but

that happens all the time in the NBA; see: Rashard Lewis, Andrei Kirilenko, Gilbert Arenas, Kevin Garnett, Vince Carter, Kenyon Martin, Elton Brand, Chris Kaman, Nick Collison, Brandon Roy, Beno Udrih, and Carlos Boozer

All of those players are paid significantly more than that team’s respective best player. And that doesn’t include Sam Dalembert, Troy Murphy and Eddy Curry, because they all come off the books this year and will never make that amount of money again. One could probably say the same for Kirilenko, except he was getting overpaid for far too long to not be on this list, especially with a team that included Boozer and Deron Williams.

I’d much rather be overpaying Okafor than overpaying Diaw, Diop and Jax, and whoever else we overpaid over the last three years.

by adamcawa on Apr 20, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You're right.

But just like Okafor, most of those guys can be had for the 60th pick in the draft if only someone would be willing to take on their salaries.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 20, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

by most of those guys

you mean two of them right? fuzzy math?

by adamcawa on Apr 20, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

No.

I mean Lewis, Arenas, Collison, and Udrih. All of them outside of Garnett could be had for a trade exception and a 2nd round pick if they weren’t already on expiring deals.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 20, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

udrih

you’re delusional if you think he’s a “throw away” player

He just happens to make the most on a Kings team that doesn’t pay anyone.

Even if you include Collison, who I think is a fine player, 3 out of 12 examples is absolutely not “most”

by adamcawa on Apr 20, 2011 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

3 out of 12?

Fuzzy math? Udrih, Collinson, Lewis, Arenas, that’s 4 as it is. That’s not even mentioning Brand, Curry, Murphy, or the rest of those players. You’re delusional if you think Sacramento loves Udrih so much that they just chose to hang on to him. I’m not saying he is a bad player, IMO, none of them are. I actually like all of their games to a certain degree. But at the same time, teams AREN’T willing to take on their salaries. Same with Stephen Jackson. He’s better than almost everyone on that list, but no one wants to pay that money. Trust me, let Minnesota pick up the phone tomorrow and call Sacramento and say “we want Udrih for our 2nd round pick”, I guarantee there would be a verbal agreement within a matter of hours.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 21, 2011 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

i know its a hard concept

but obviously i took udrih out of the picture

And Udrih had interest ALL season but Sac kept asking TOO much for him. He’s not overpaid, just paid more than Tyreke and Cousins.

I’ll let you keep Curry, but I doubt OKC would let Collison go for a second rounder since they’ve been so adamant about keeping him.

So Curry, Arenas and Lewis are all players who are grossly overpaid and whose talent no longer (or in Curry’s case never really did) measure up.

The rest of the players listed, the team would be getting cap space if they traded them for an exception, but losing production at the position. Not to mention, in Brand, Boozer and Murphy’s case, they were traded to teams who took on their salary. And wouldn’t you know it, those teams are in the playoffs.

If you don’t follow the rest of the NBA, please don’t act like you know what you’re talking about.

by adamcawa on Apr 21, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

What the hell?

Sacramento has been adamant about holding to Udrih? That let’s me know you don’t follow the NBA. Something else that let’s me know you don’t follow the NBA is the fact that Troy Murphy wasn’t traded to Boston, he was traded, released, and signed with Boston. Elton Brand? Come the hell on. There was one point in time where Philly was OFFERING the number 2 pick (which turned out to be Evan Turner) just for a team to take Brand off of their hands. I even made a thread about it around the time that it was happening if you want to go back and check. And you keep on talking about Boozer. I never said one thing about him. Don’t try to act like you know what you’re talking about because it’s blatantly obvious you don’t. Sacramento asking too much for Udrih? LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 21, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

And what the hell makes you think a team like Washington

cares about Lewis’ production at a point like this?

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 21, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

???

No one cares about Rashard Lewis?

by adamcawa on Apr 21, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lewis is done...

He is probably ONE of the most immobile shooting big men currently in the league. He doesnt move around any better than Ryan Anderson. Not to mention he has a contract like he’s an allstar

by focuslja on Apr 21, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

at one point

he was the top “fantasy” player in basketball… sad

by adamcawa on Apr 21, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not that they don't care about him.

It’s just he doesn’t fit with their youth movement and would be moved at the first opportunity. The only reason he was traded for Gilbert was because Orlando needed a shake up and Lewis’ contract is one of the only ones as horrendous as his.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 21, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

several things

first off, it was rude and presumptious of me to say that you don’t follow other nba teams, that’s the reason i got on here

but since you replied, i will address a few things

a) the kings were shopping udrih, but, like i said, were asking too much, which is why no one wanted him, it had little to do with his contract, and more to do the with the fact that the kings shot themselves in the foot by openly undervaluing him before they sought trades (this season at least) and then wanted more anyway. Not to mention, if you ever went to Sactown Royalty, the fans were split in one of two ways: a) they didn’t want him traded or b) were pissed at the kings for the way they handled the trade. Jon Kaiser of ESPN was the closest to the deal and reported all of these things.

b) I worded it badly, I was just trying to make the point that Murphy was contributing on a playoff team, unlike some of the others who weren’t earning their keep. Obviously, Golden State traded for his 11 million.

c) Philly is not regretting getting rid of Brand now, are they?

d) you’re arguing over something so rediculous… all i said was that you said “most”, when that’s not accurate. Most would mean more than half. The players that were traded, the trading team got more than the “60th pick” in the draft. Others certainly would, too.

by adamcawa on Apr 21, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

From everything I've gathered throughout my time exploring various blogs,

websites, and television shows…….

A) Udrih is a wonderful role player to have and a lot of times, he actually lives up to his contract which I believe he signed under the midlevel exception (not totally sure). But more often than not, he’s viewed as overpaid. Honestly, I can’t say if the Kings were asking for much in return or if they were willing to give him up for free because he hasn’t been in trade rumors for a while. But given the present landscape of the NBA, I’m fairly certain if a team were willing to take on his salary, he could be had for a minimum return. His worth to the Kings has risen greatly (as has Francisco Garcia’s) because he is a veteran leader on a young, somewhat dysfunctional team (Evans and Cousin’s rift), but most view him as a backup. King’s fans are expected to love everything about him.

B) I agree on Murphy being an able contributor, I was just using that in retaliation to you saying I don’t follow the NBA because I truly do. Of course I follow Charlotte more than any other team, but I do follow every other team in the league as well to some degree. I am familiary with every active player in the NBA and can point to their strenghts and weaknesses.

C) I believe Philly is still regretting in some ways. Not nearly as much as they were last year because they are out of the horrible Princeton offense and Doug Collins has found good use of him, but once (if) they are swept, I believe it’ll go back to the same thing it has been the past few years. I mean, even Igoudala is constantly mentioned in trade scenarios, and he is by far their best player and makes less.

D) My point stands that most of those guys are viewed as overpaid burdens to their team. No, that doesn’t take away from their ability to contribute, but it does take away from their team’s ability to be flexible and improve. I honestly think you would be surprised at how many of these guys could be had for a simple trade exception. Unless they are young guys that can improve or are already on championship squads who rely on them, in the current economic client, most owners are under the train of thought that if they aren’t competing for a title or are close to getting there, they should go ahead and destroy and rebuild. That’s not the same as me calling those guys worthless, because none of them are.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 21, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Elton and the 76ers say, "SWEEP THIS!"

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 24, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

The miracles of GOD.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 24, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

In regards to the pick

You are right, I thought that trade was made mid-draft, but it was before. Nevertheless, it was pretty much a lock that one of those 3 centers would be there by that pick, so it wasn’t so much “crossing our fingers”. It just turned out that we were left with the one guy that turned out sucking (as is the bobcats’ luck in the draft).
That trade didn’t even turn out to be very damaging at all. We gave up a lottery-protected pick that turned into Luke Babbitt. And with the exception of Eric Bledsoe, Landry Fields, and (maybe) Jordan Crawford, there was no one else too worthwhile available

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by Air_Bobcats on Apr 18, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL...

Babbitt is just the sort of player (like Cunningham) that people would be jizzing all over in a Bobcats jersey. He certainly has more to offer than Ajinca, with size, three-point shooting touch, and rebounding ability.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 19, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have you seen his stats?

1.5 points, 1.3 boards, 24 games played, 27% FG! and 18% from 3.

That’s still puts him ahead of Ajinca (who isn’t), but to say we would be “jizzing all over” him I think is clearly an exaggeration, not to mention needlessly crass.
The Ajinca pick is no doubt a mistake but my point stands that having our pick turn into Luke Babbitt isn’t exactly causing a lot of heartache thus far at least

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by Air_Bobcats on Apr 19, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, I have.

They’re exactly the sort of stats Cunningham put up when he played in Portland. And White in OKC. Anybody can look like a decent player with “potential” when they’re on a shitty team that’s willing to give minutes to anybody with four functional limbs.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 20, 2011 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Like I say, we're not the only "shitty" team

with players like that.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 20, 2011 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jordan Crawford

Put up arguably the best numbers of anyone out that draft. LOL at Landry Fields (i see potential but not with the Knicks)

by focuslja on Apr 20, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Crawford was another example of a player shining because the rest of his team sucked.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 20, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe you should look at his game log

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4758/gamelog since he’s been in Washington. Those are the numbers of someone who “shined bc his team sucks”? ROOKIE SEASON

by focuslja on Apr 20, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Obviously being on a bad team gave his stats a little boost, but it doesn’t invalidate everything he’s done…he can fill it up.

And in regards to the “LOL” of Landry Fields above: 10 points and 6 boards and 50% shooting from a guard is no laughing matter. If draft is redone he’s borderline top 10 in albeit a weak draft

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by Air_Bobcats on Apr 20, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, I've seen it.

But if he was actually any good, why didn’t he do, say, anything in Atlanta. You do remember when they were desperate enough for backcourt production to trade for Hinrich AND Bibby, right?

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 24, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because he got a chance to play in Washington. With Jamal Crawford and Joe Johnson, it wasnt much room for him to even develop. But you must remember that he was great in college and he is the man that dunked on Lebron. He was good b4 the league. He is a SG with PG capabilities which makes him very dangerous. Not to mention he was distributing in Washington (another team that will be better or equal to us next season if we keep HENDO starting and Cunningham instead of picking up a better FA)

by focuslja on Apr 24, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was a decent player for a bad college team.

I saw the one-game explanation of a player’s ability the other day (the triple-double=awesome argument), and now we’re down to one PLAY? Wow.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 25, 2011 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wasnt making that apart of my point

I just had to throw that in there bc I dont like Lebron. He avg 20pts in college. His game happened to translate well in the NBA

by focuslja on Apr 25, 2011 7:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Anybody with the game of "take a lot of shots and hope some go in" can produce for stretches on bad teams.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 25, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

All too well aware.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 25, 2011 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont think 40% is bad

especially for a rookie. When Joe Johnson is at 44%

by focuslja on Apr 25, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

He shot .384 on the year.

Where are you getting 40% from?

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 25, 2011 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not MJ's fault Larry Brown became a stubborn old man the way that he did.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 18, 2011 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Hiring a hall-of-fame coach for our young franchise was a good move. And you could argue that MJ should have seen it coming, but really? We all knew he would get the itch to move on at some point, and I think everyone was at peace with that. As you said, it’s not MJ’s fault that Larry decided to take a dump on us before he left

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by Air_Bobcats on Apr 18, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

If MJ didn't see the downside of Brown, then he was willfully blinded to it.

Brown had a well established reputation for reshaping teams into his image through trades and then abandoning them for greener pastures. He also had a reputation for not playing (and barely tolerating) rookies.

I’ve been comparing the Bobcats to the Brown-coached LA Clippers for years. The Wallace trade is just one more similarity as the Clippers also traded face of the franchise Danny Manning just after Brown left. With both franchises, Brown created a cycle of trades that led to temporary success (1st round playoff appearances) but ultimately led to the complete overhaul and rebuilding of the team.

The Clippers started with a young team when Brown arrived (7 of 8 rotation level players had 5 seasons or less of NBA experience). He lasted 1 1/2 seasons, and within one year of his departure, 6 of the 8 members of that promising core were gone. 12 consecutive losing seasons followed the departure of LB.

The overhaul of the Bobcats has been even more extreme as DJ Augustin, who Brown wanted to trade, is now the only Bobcat left of the top 8 players Brown started with. We all hope the Bobcats can rebuild more quickly than the Clippers, but only an extreme optimist would expect the process to take less than five years.

by ClipCat on Apr 18, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

That part is true.

Larry does have a history of that behavior, I just never thought it would get to the point of refusing to play Hendo while giving McGuire every possible minute.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 18, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

...except he did the same last year too.

See Murray, Flip and Augustin, D.J., as well as Graham, Stephen and Henderson, Gerald.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 19, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats true.

Larry had a somewhat valid reason for that last year though.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 19, 2011 5:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Not Graham, but Hughes and Flip.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 19, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, in that Gerald couldn't jack up low-percentage jumpers at high enough rates to satisfy LB.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 20, 2011 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, because we were in the middle of a playoff run

and Larry let it be known he trusted his vets. Did I ever agree with it? No. But that’s not the point.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 20, 2011 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Both Grahams in the rotation on anyteam is a mistake

Sad part is, they both wouldve got alot of minutes and put up decent numbers this year for us (well after JAX got hurt, see DJ WHITE)…but Flip Murray is actually good.

by focuslja on Apr 20, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Flip can put up points in a hurry.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 20, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

...because he jacks up shots even faster.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 20, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

For a team as offensively inept as ours, you need a player or two like that.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 20, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, you don't.

There is nothing positive about having an unrepentant, inefficient gunner on your team.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 20, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Flip wasn't that out of control.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 20, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

He shot .389 here.

That’s significantly lower than Gerald Henderson, whom I’m always hearing can’t shoot.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 20, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not from me.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 20, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

you're not talking about the Gerald Henderson

who plays for the Bobcats right?

Because that Gerald Henderson always seems to hit those pretty mid range jumpers to me.

by adamcawa on Apr 20, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah because

having Jax and Flip really worked out for us

of course, by “worked out” I mean, took a bunch of bad shots and took on even more payroll

by adamcawa on Apr 20, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lead to the first playoff appearance EVER,

so, yeah, I guess it did work. Not to mention the fact that as soon as Jax got hurt to end this year, we fell out of the playoff race. You’re notorious for being a Jax hater though, so, it’s all good.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 20, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

we fell out of the playoff race

when gerald wallace was traded

and if you think a “playoff appearance” where we were swepped, and then came out worse off, is a success, then that’s your opinion

by adamcawa on Apr 20, 2011 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

The playoff failure was all LB

but we finally made it. Now I dont settle for mediocrity anymore. That is y Im so hard on (Hendo who has potential and Tyrus who hasnt earned 6mil a year much less 3mil yet)

by focuslja on Apr 20, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, we fell out of the playoff race

when Jackson, Tyrus, AND Livingston all got hurt in the final 2 weeks of the season. And yes, the playoff appearance in which we were “swepped” was a success because IT’S STILL THE BEST YEAR IN FRANCHISE HISTORY. I’d rather go there and be swept than not go at all, but you’re right, that’s my opinion.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 21, 2011 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

since our fate was in indy's hands

and not our own, i don’t believe we were really “in” the playoff race

we could’ve lucked out and fallen into the playoffs, but it wouldn’t have necessarily been deserved

by adamcawa on Apr 21, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

What does that have to do with anything?

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 21, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

you're saying we

“fell” out of the playoff race, but in reality, despite being the 9th seed and within a few games, we honestly weren’t “in” the race, particularly when Indiana held the tie breaker over us anyway, and the only way we could get in is if they lost

by adamcawa on Apr 21, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thats all personal opinion.

The records show we were in the race post Wallace until the injuries piled up.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 21, 2011 12:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

it's more analysis than opinion

after wallace, the bobcats were 9-16, including a 2-10 stretch where Jax was there for 8 games, all 8 of which we had our entire roster sans Tyrus and Pryz

we were stumbling well before the major injuries

by adamcawa on Apr 21, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, we were stumbling, but so was Indy at one point.

And Jackson’s injuries go back further than to when he was actually forced to sit out. A lot of those games, he was still playing with his hamstring injury. Regardless, I still think we only truly fell out the race once the injuries piled up. Of course losing Wallace only hurt us competitively, but at the same time, the team was still showing signs of life after his departure.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 21, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Y do ppl consider Tyrus when talking “full strength”? Cunningham and White backing up JAX/Diaw more than made up for what Trent Hassel I mean Tyrus couldve done…

by focuslja on Apr 21, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lmao. Boy you

be pullin out the most disrepectful comparisons you can find.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 21, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but without him, it would have been 0-12!

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 24, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

In one of the most historically poor conferences ever.

That team was awful, and if you can’t make the playoffs in the East with a payroll at or over the cap, there’s something wrong.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 24, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Congrats, you have convinced me...

It may not have been the best idea. It was nice that he was able to pull the strings to get us into the playoffs and get a little credibility, which is what we wanted. But in terms of executing a long-term plan aimed toward a championship (which is supposed to be the goal of every franchise that’s not currently contending), he certainly wasn’t the right guy.

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by Air_Bobcats on Apr 18, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Credibility? To whom?

Attendance didn’t go up, we didn’t get some sudden surge of national TV appearances.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 19, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Viewers and sponsorships are way up though

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 19, 2011 5:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

LOL...way up?

We registered 12,000 viewers.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 20, 2011 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

And that's up what? 10%?

That’s not a lot to you? Just because it isn’t where it needs to be doesn’t mean it’s not a substantial improvement.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 20, 2011 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

No. It's a thousand people.

Out of the population of the Bobcats TV footprint, which includes three states, that is a pitiful number.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 20, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a 1,000 more households than before.

Again, a great improvement.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 20, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, great.

I had 30 cents in my bank account last week. Now I have 33! GREAT improvement.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 20, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why not say something like you had 11,000 in your account last week

and now you have 12,000? Cause it sounds better and is more relevant?

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 20, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because it still ain't special.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 20, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

You have to take baby steps Michael.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 20, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

totally disagree

regardless of the sample size, a 10% improvement is great

by adamcawa on Apr 20, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 20, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

The credibility of having an established coach who wasn't a joke, ala Sam Vincent

I remember reading about how the Bobcat’s went from a team you basically hardly had to prepare for (because Vincent didn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground) to a team you actually had to scout and and prepare for ahead of time because we finally had some plays and whatnot.

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by Air_Bobcats on Apr 19, 2011 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

WHAT?

He was the same guy he’s always been.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 19, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which free agents wanted to come to Charlotte?

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 18, 2011 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

You're making his point for him...

When you list DJ White as our fourth-best piece to build around. If DJ White is even getting off your bench for regular minutes, you’re probably not a championship-caliber team The guy played 42 games in two and a half seasons with OKC, a team that, while good, has hardly been in the championship fight.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 18, 2011 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's certainly not our best young piece or anything, but the guy can play

He has done a great job since the Bobcats acquired him, and he’s still quite young. He never got an opportunity with OKC, primarily because he was behind both Jeff Green and Serge Ibaka on the depth chart. It looks like the Bobcats found a diamond in the rough with that trade.
He’s yet to sustain his production over a long period of time, so we’ll see, but I don’t think he should be dismissed

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by Air_Bobcats on Apr 18, 2011 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't either...

But I think we tend to overrate the bit players we pick up (Flip Murray, Derrick Brown, Shannon Brown) when, in reality, they wouldn’t be making an impact on a team of the type we want to be. Sure, they can shine here and there on a mediocre to bad team desperate for bodies because somebody has to get minutes and put up some numbers. There’s also the fact that we feel like they’re “our guys” and we see them more than anybody else. The same is true of baseball prospects.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 18, 2011 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

That’s very true, we love to overrate our role players (though I think we had Shannon Brown rated about right).

I do think that DJ White is the real deal, but he could very well suck it up next year and prove to be one of those overrated guys, we’ll see

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by Air_Bobcats on Apr 18, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's not about what your perception of him is because he couldn't get playing time in OKC.

Judge him by what he’s been doing these last few weeks, that’s what’s been impressive. No one is calling him our “PF or 6th man of the future”, he’s just proven to be an extremely competent role player.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 18, 2011 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's been getting minutes for a team desperate for bodies.

Eddie Najera played a key role in a few games, including a win against Boston. Is he suddenly a nice piece to keep around?

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 19, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didnt realize Najera was 23 with room to improve.

With your logic, you can discredit the stats of every young player on every bad team, including Henderson, Kevin Love, Blake Griffin Tyreke Evans, etc etc. I could see your point if we were getting blew out or were just obviously overmatched, but that wasn’t the case at all.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 19, 2011 5:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

dont mean to interject but

How did you make the leap in logic from the fact that if dj white is your fourth man, you’re not a good team, to star players on bad teams being at all comparable?

DJ White contributed because we had no other options, not necessarily because we were a bad team.

No offense, but you’re kidding yourself if you ever think DJ White will amount to more than just a “warm body” for our rebuilding team.

by adamcawa on Apr 19, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

First, you have to show me where I said DJ White is a fourth man.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 19, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe he's misattributing something I posted to you

I dared to list DJ White as one of our quality young players and got killed for it because apparently he sucks. I also never said he was our “4th man”, he was simply the last of four guys I listed as good young players on the team. Needless to say once more talent is added he’s not going to be the 4th best player on the team, but that’s how it was interpreted

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by Air_Bobcats on Apr 19, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, apparently White is the worst in the NBA because he wasn't getting heavy minutes in OKC.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 20, 2011 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

i didnt say that, however

i wouldnt blink an eye if someone listed dj white on that “worst players” list that Hendo was for some reason on

by adamcawa on Apr 20, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didnt blink an eye when I saw Hendo

i dont think he’s terrible but he ISNT that good…

by focuslja on Apr 20, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would,

because I can think of a lot of players much worse than White. Henderson made the list because the general perception around the NBA was that, “ok, this guy can’t get playing time for a garbage team like Charlotte, he must be absolute trash”. Looking at it from that perspective, you could actually argue that White is better because he couldn’t get time on what a lot of people feel like is a team that will compete for a title some day soon.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 20, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does Scott Brooks have a proven track record of refusing to play young players who eventually blossom?

Nope. Virtually their entire team has developed through heavy early minutes.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 20, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Every coach in the NBA has a track record of giving "Player X"

an inexplicable low amount of minutes.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 20, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

...except not at all.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 20, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

its not inexplicable

when that player clearly isn’t better than the players getting more minutes than him

by adamcawa on Apr 20, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Since when has Nick Collison "clearly" been better than anybody?

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 20, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

are you really arguing

that dj white is better than nick collison?

One of the best coaches in the NBA saw that White couldn’t play over Collison. White has played less career games than any one Nick Collison season. Not to mention the dude has a career 53.2 FG%. At his peak, he’s a 9-8 player… DJ White won’t ever be that.

by adamcawa on Apr 20, 2011 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who the hell said White was better?

I said “when has Nick Collison ever been CLEARLY (key word) better than anyone”? The answer is, NEVER. And I wholeheartedly disagree that White can average 9-8.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 21, 2011 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

And Scott Brooks is one of the best coaches in the NBA?

He’s done a hell of a job so far, but 2 years isn’t enough for me to annoint anyone as one of the best coaches in the NBA.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 21, 2011 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

he's done more in 2 years

than some coaches do in a career

and yes, since he’s consistently mentioned as one of the best coaches by the media, i think it’s safe to anoint him that title… definately top 5 i think

by adamcawa on Apr 21, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Plenty of coaches can do what he's done with a roster like that.

The media dickrides whoever is hot at the moment so I’m not impressed by their opinions.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 21, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

so basically

you’re just arguing for the sake of arguing now?

Plenty of coaches could take the NBA’s youngest team and turn them into a 4 seed and division leader in the WEST and legit contenders. Right.

by adamcawa on Apr 21, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

So are

You telling me based off of two playoff appearances, you’re ready to put him up there with Phil Jackson, Rick adelman, jerry sloan, doc rivers, Greg popovic and the rest of the coaches who have proven to be consistent year in and year out? Exactly what have the thunder done that was so damn great? Make the playoffs twice? Give the Lakers a tough match up? Whoop de doo!

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 21, 2011 12:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Jerry Sloan?

That said, I’d have it like this

1) Phil Jackson
2) Greg Poppovic
3) Doc Rivers
4) Stan Van Gundy
5) Scott Brooks, last year’s “coach of the year”

How many first time head coaches get their shot in the NBA? And how many of those have instant success? He was 22-37 in his interim year, which was more wins than the entire Seattle team had the previous year.

by adamcawa on Apr 21, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, Jerry Sloan who kept Utah

in the playoffs year in and year out and will more than likely be back to coaching someday soon. Like I said, Brooks has done a helluva job. But he’s done it with a player a lot of people believe is the best in the NBA right now. He’s just going to have to keep it up before I’m ready to call him great. Sam Mitchell, Mike Brown, and dozens of other coaches have pulled off such feats (though not as impressive) and still found a way to get fired.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 21, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Jerry Sloan is doing a great job.

Oh, wait, he’s unemployed.

P.S.: Those Thunder have “damn great”-ly stormed to a 3-0 lead against a 50-win Nuggets team people were calling one of the most dangerous teams in the league after the Anthony trade.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 24, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

So what are you saying Michael?

Jerry Sloan isn’t a great coach because he is unemployed? Because he retired? I really expect better from you.

And like I say, you’re gonna have to do more than win a series to impress me with a perennial MVP candidate like Durant. And the Nuggets are killing their damn selves. I’d be more impressed if the Nuggets were getting their asses whooped with J.R. Smith getting decent playing time.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 24, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

no he's saying

what’s the point of listing him as a top nba coach when he’s not currently in the nba… it wasn’t an “all time” list or anything

by adamcawa on Apr 24, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Because he left under

Some crazy circumstances and has already been rumored to come back. Yall acting like he been gone for 5 years. It’s been about half a season. Regardless, I wasn’t listing the top active coaches. Just giving u more people to think about.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 24, 2011 11:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

sloan is totally irrelevent

since he’s not in the nba, therefore can’t be in the best coach conversation, there’s nothing to think about

which was both of our points

by adamcawa on Apr 25, 2011 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

This.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 25, 2011 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, sure.

Sloan is irrelevant because he’s not a current coach. Oh, I guess Rick Adelman should be irrelevant too because he’s not the coach of a current team now huh? Yall can keep changing the subject all you want, but that doesn’t change the fact that Brooks really hasn’t proved a damn thing yet.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 25, 2011 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

^This

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 25, 2011 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did you just "This" your own comment?

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I get more props and stunts than Bruce Willis
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by Ben Swanson on Apr 25, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Rec for this observation

Even though I have no idea what the picture is about, it made me smile.

by ClipCat on Apr 25, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bah, stupid space constraints

Here’s the link haha
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_2xOHD87FEvM/TOId86onjRI/AAAAAAAAfvQ/bDt7oulLmLU/s1600/i-said-what.jpeg

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by Ben Swanson on Apr 25, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Had to.

Since someone in particular does it on the site everytime another person agrees with them. Don’t fall for the sarchasm Benjamin.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 25, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you agree with yourself.

Wow. Digging deep for some solidarity, huh?

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 25, 2011 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

No. Just doing that silly little bullshit

you like to do everytime someone agrees with your points. Take it seriously though. Please.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 26, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

According to your own standards...

Adelman is already irrelevant. He’s never won a championship, or even a coach of the year. Hell, that scrub Scott Brooks has already done that in two years!

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 25, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sam Mitchell won a coach of the year,

so what the hell is that supposed to mean? Those are not my standards. I never brought up the coach of the year award. I’m more impressed by Rick Adelman taking a Yao-less Rocket squad to 7 games with the Lakers than the Thunder taking the Lakers to 6 games at full strength.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 25, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

dude

every rocket’s squad is a yao-less one

by adamcawa on Apr 25, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok then.

So what’s the problem with me saying I’m more impressed with the Rockets going 7 games without Yao than I am with the Thunder going 6 with a full squad?

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 25, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

nothing

it was an anecdote…

see, unlike you, for the most part, i don’t get my panties twisted over an internet argument

and when i lose arguments, i don’t babble on continuously to make myself feel better

by adamcawa on Apr 25, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

but...

i can also argue with empty points that don’t make a whole lot of sense

Rick Adleman was used to coaching his team without Yao. It’s not like he did anything out of the ordinary for him.

by adamcawa on Apr 25, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't think the fact that he was used to coaching without Yao

takes away from the fact that he was missing his two best players (McGrady and Ming). Look at the rosters. No way they should have taken the Lakers to 7 games.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 26, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don't disagree that adleman did a great job

the context of the post was that i was merely doing my best Charlotte Bobcat impersonation by making an argument that doesn’t make sense and would clearly get smashed within moments of someone actually reading it.

by adamcawa on Apr 27, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lol, and how was my argument smashed?

That’s delusion at it’s finest. Maybe you think it was “smashed” because you kept trying to take the discussion to some other shit that you were talking about, smashed? Lol. Yeah right.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 27, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like I say and I'm done with this,

you can hold Brooks’ playing rotation to the highest standards possible, but not everyone thinks with the same minds you do.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 27, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your words Adam.

he’s done more in 2 years than some coaches do in a career

and yes, since he’s consistently mentioned as one of the best coaches by the media, i think it’s safe to anoint him that title… definately top 5 i think

Clarify yourself if you want to get hung up on such petty arguments.

“Top 5 active coaches i think”.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 27, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

or...

use your brain and context clues

especially after i listed my top 5 active coaches

by adamcawa on Apr 29, 2011 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, you use your brain

and stay the hell out of discussions that don’t involve you. Like I say, do you still list him above Adelman and Sloan when they are active? Use my damn context clues, especially when your whole point is and has always been “DJ White can’t be a role player in the NBA because Scott Brooks said so”. Please, realize that is what you are sitting here arguing with me about. Anything else is some bullshit sidenote that you tried to exploit to make yourself feel as though you won a damn argument. The whole time I’m sitting here telling you I’M JUDGING DJ WHITE WITH MY EYES. The whole time you’re sitting here telling me YOU’RE LOOKING AT DJ WHITE’S PLAYING TIME WITH THE THUNDER SO HE IS A SCRUB. When I ask you for more reasons on why you feel he is a scrub, it’s because “You say so”. ALL OPINION. You didn’t win or lose shit because it’s OPINIONATED! Damn, I don’t give a damn about your top 5 coaching list because you use Coach of the Year awards to say who is a better coach or not. That’s something I don’t give a damn about. So stop sitting here talking about people blabbling on because you’ve responded to every damn thing I’ve said and you’re the only one claiming “victory” over some shit that I really don’t give a damn about. The only reason I’m still carrying on is because I support my own opinions about players and you support players based on other shit.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 29, 2011 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

i never claimed to win anything

oh and the first thing i said was that i think dj white sucks because from what i’ve seen he sucks… sucks is a pretty relative term, i mean, he’s in the nba so he can’t be horrible, but like i said, at best he’s a third stringer on most teams in the nba

but you go on ahead and keep being “done with this” so you get some sleep at night

by adamcawa on Apr 29, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I appreciate the prompt response.

And if you’re talking about “arguments that I clearly lost”, then who is the victor?

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 29, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

i just frequently

don’t really pay attention to when something was posted, just that it’s yellow or whatever color that is

that said, being that i have to now go a little bit out of my way to post in this specific thread since it’s at the bottom of hte main page and will be gone soon, i doubt i’ll check back up

so if there’s anything you feel like you need to address further, pm me cuz i won’t be reading it, im too lazy

by adamcawa on Apr 29, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol, agreed. Same here.

This page takes about 3 minutes alone to load up in my office.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 29, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

for someone who is done

you sure do post a lot afterwards, didn’t you already say you were gonna stop before

nevertheless, i don’t need for you to admit you’re wrong to know that i’m right

by adamcawa on Apr 29, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

almost everything you've posted on here

has been countered effectively, by myself or someone else… that’s the definition of smashed on forums i think

by adamcawa on Apr 28, 2011 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not really.

Not when the whole point is DJ White’s skill. If you want to twist that into an argument about who the top 5 active coaches are and think you’ve really won something, then sure, you won. You won because Jerry Sloan retired in the middle of the year and Rick Adelman chose not to return to the Rockets at the end of the year, so you won because their non-presence in the NBA makes Scott Brooks one of the top coaches. And that’s what the whole argument is about. Scott Brook’s ranks in active coaches. Not DJ White’s ability to be a role player like I was saying. Yes, it’s all about Scott Brooks. You won!!!! Congratulations.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 29, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

are you serious?

they had a squad. Scola, Artest, Wafer, Battier, Brooks, Hayes, Landry, Skip to my Lou

by focuslja on Apr 28, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Again, what argument did I lose?

It’s when the delusion sets in that you think your opinionated answers are right. Tell me, do you still rank Brooks ahead of Sloan and Adelman when THEY WERE ACTIVE COACHES OR WHEN THEY WILL BE ACTIVE AGAIN NEXT YEAR?

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 29, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

tbh

if rick adelman came back right now, i would put brooks ahead of him as top active coaches

by adamcawa on Apr 29, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

ps

typing in all caps means you are yelling

yelling on the internet just means you’re getting defensive

relax

me thinking (knowing actually) I’m right shouldn’t affect you so much that you should start yelling

by adamcawa on Apr 29, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lmao.

I’m at work in an office. No yelling going on here homey. I don’t take this stuff to heart like that. You can see me arguing with you on something like this and skip down a few lines or look in another thread and see me co-signing everything you say. It’s a debate, and the only side I’m on is the side I truly believe in. I apologize if you look at my capitializing of letters as yelling, but it’s really just to reiterrate the main points I was making that you seem to be missing concerning what this entire discussion is based on and what I feel you tried to turn it to. But, it’s far from yelling homey.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 29, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

proper netiquette

dictates not using caps unless you’re yelling (with the exception of one or two words here or there that would normally be italicized)

Also, I am not your (or anyone’s so don’t take it personally) homey.

by adamcawa on Apr 29, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, not at all. This is the internet. It's extremely hard to take anything personal. Don't take it personally when I say

homey doesn’t = friend to me, it just means random internet guy.

And I suppose you should calm down. Judging by your comments to focus in Boris’ player grade thread, you’ve been yelling quite a bit as well.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 29, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

This.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.

by MichaelProcton on May 2, 2011 5:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ok. So you're that impressed by his resume so far.

I won’t argue. I just don’t think he’s accomplished that much.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 29, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

It means he did a fine job without much talent on his roster.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2011 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

he won coach of the year because he didn’t prove a damn thing

There is no logical explanation for you to have included Jerry Sloan (or Rick Adleman) in your argument as to why Brooks wasn’t one of the best coaches in the NBA.

Speaking of which, how many of those coaches you mentioned had success without the “players they had”, as you so put it. That’s pretty backward logic, which you used to basically argue against yourself.

Just stop.

by adamcawa on Apr 25, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

A coach of the year award is a killer.

It only makes people think you are greater than you actually are. As soon as they see you slipping, they say you’ve fallen off and can’t coach any more. Look at how many former coaches of the year have been fired and tell me what makes Brooks’ accomplishments at this point any different.

Who the hell said that Brooks wasn’t a good damn coach? Several times I’ve said he’s done a good job, I even said he’s done a “HELLUVA” job (are you people blind?), but he’s already one of the greatest ever according to you. I’m sitting here saying that I know quite a few coaches that have done more with less but just because they haven’t done it this year, you forget all about them. Why? Because they didn’t win the coach of the year? Or is it that great because OKC’s best players are still young?

And we’re talking about freaking Kevin Durant here. Someone who some say is THE BEST IN THE GAME right now. I’m talking about the Nate McMillans, the Rick Adelman’s, all the people who have done A GOOD ASS JOB without MVP canidates. But you’re right, I am gonna just stop because Scott Brooks is the greatest ever.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 25, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Scott Brooks

is a good, young coach and hasn’t reached his ceiling yet. I’ll just leave it at that. I don’t want you to take me disagreeing with you and make it seem like I don’t like Brooks or think he is good.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 25, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

i believe your exact words were

he “hasn’t proved a damn thing yet”

and the ONLY compliment you gave him was that you’ve said he’s done a “helluva job so far”

You’re whole point is lost now. You were originally trying to say that DJ White was better than Nick Collision and then inferred that Scott Brooks couldn’t figrue that out. I merely said (in different words) that Scott Brooks, who is WIDELY considered to be one of the best NBA coaches, probably knows what he’s doing.

Then you got in a hissy fit because you OBVIOUSLY mistakingly put Sloan and Adleman in a conversation that was clearly out of context. In fact, when I referenced Sloan intially, it was in a light-hearted manner that wasn’t even realted to the post I put.

The point stands that Scott Brooks is one of the best coaches in the NBA currently and is smart enough to evaluate talent. Even he knew that DJ White wasn’t good. And this is a coach who has been notorious, even in his short tenure, for developing young players.

But I’m glad you’re stopping now, because you clearly are just arguing for the sake of arguing, which is what I noted earlier.

by adamcawa on Apr 25, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

What is the Thunder's crowning achievement thus far?

Tell me that. It’s either that as a 4 seed in the West or as a team that came close to beating the Lakers in the playoffs. When I say he hasn’t done a damn thing yet, that’s exactly what I mean. Not saying he won’t, not saying he can’t, I’m talking about facts. Now we can go back through the history, but I can’t remember the last time someone got so much praise for winning the 4 seed and taking a team 6 games in the playoffs. Just answer my question before you go any furhter.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 25, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

So we're really going back to D.J.

White vs. Nick Collison now? Wow, that seemed like so long ago. Like I said in the beginning, certain coaches don’t like certain players for certain reasons and I REFUSE to let my opinion on a player be dictated by how much playing time he got from a particular coach. That’s MY WHOLE POINT. If yall want to say Brooks is great and because he didn’t play D.J. White that much that D.J. isn’t any good, then that’s fine. But like I said in the beginning, Larry Brown is considered one of the greatest coaches ever and thought McGuire was better than Henderson. So explain to me what’s the difference between the situations.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 25, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

it seems like it was so long ago

because you were so desperate to validate any one of your pathetic arguments that you went on and on and on, constantly changing the subject, to try and make any point whatsover that made a smidgen of sense

DJ isn’t any good because he isn’t any good. We’ve already seen that from his time with Charlotte. What we’re saying is that clearly there were red herrings when he couldn’t crack a Scott Brooks lineup.

It was you who dared to say that White is better than Hendo because Hendo couldn’t crack our lineup while White couldn’t crack their lineup. Refusing to acknowledge that Brown has a history of doing exactly what he did, while Brooks, who albeit doesn’t have a long track record to go by, has a history of playing and developing young players.

by adamcawa on Apr 25, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

and as i said

what he HAS done is won coach of the year

you can try to downplay that as much as you want to try to prove your very weak point, but regardless of how you feel about it, the coach of the year award is an established and recognized award

and in the future, don’t bother ever telling me what i have to do to make an argument, validate a point, or post anything on here about anything

by adamcawa on Apr 25, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sam Mitchell, Sam Mitchell, Sam Mitchell.

Coach of the year doesn’t mean SHIT. Sorry to tell you.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 25, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's your opinion

but you can’t even make a valid arugment anymore, so forgive me if i take your opinion with a grain of salt

Sorry to tell you.

by adamcawa on Apr 25, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's your opinon...........

D.J. White is no good because Scott Brooks didn’t let him play.

And……

Scott Brooks is the greatest at talent evaluation because he won two coach of the year awards.

Ok. You’re right. Sam Mitchell’s (who can’t even get a head coaching job now) coach of the year award isn’t valid to the argument. And Larry Brown doing the same shit to Henderson isn’t valid to the argument. Ok.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 25, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually you're way off, as usual

i said dj white was no good because he’s no good, period… i’ve seen him play enough to figure that out. i merely pointed out that we should’ve seen that coming when he couldn’t get playing time for Scott Brooks, over Nick Collision even.

There are plenty of hall of fame coaches who have won coach of the year, I suppose we should discount them all because Sam Mitchell managed to win the award once.

Larry Brown doing the same “shit” to Henderson is very valid to this situation. You tried to say DJ White was better than Hendo because White couldn’t crack the lineup on a better team than Hendo coudln’t crack the lineup on. Larry Brown’s past history of not playing young players despite their talent is notorious and prevalent.

Not playing for a coach who notoriously doesn’t play young guys is totally different than not playing for a guy notoriously does.

by adamcawa on Apr 25, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ok. D.J. White is no good because Scott Brooks said so.

You can let it go now. We all get your point. While the majority of fans here have been pleased with D.J. and have called him a diamond in the rough, because you said he’s no good, and because Scott Brooks didn’t give him playing time, then he’s no good.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 25, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

"The majority of fans..." i.e. you?

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2011 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

So I suppose I'm the only

fan on this website to say Cunningham and White have been impressive. How many blogs from other sites have said the same thing? Plenty. But believe it’s only me if you want to.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 26, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

DJ White is

a third stringer at best

Why are you arguing about someone who you’ve recently stated will be a “competent role player”?

Cunningham, I’ve never said much bad about, he’s not a starter, but he’s definately a “contributing role player”. DJ White isn’t even Eduardo Najera.

by adamcawa on Apr 27, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

So I'm the one arguing now?

This whole “argument” is about how terrible you two feel that White is. I said “at the worst, White can be a competent role player.”
And that in reality is a 2nd stringer.

I’m sorry, but if you guys are really trying to convince me how terrible White is, I’ll need more than just your opinion on the guy and the fact that he wasn’t getting much playing time for a team that could soon be a championship contender in their most crowded position. When White was getting big minutes down the stretch for us, he was producing well, but I guess none of that is important because he was playing in place of an injured player and he couldn’t get time in OKC.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 27, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I personally think we can do better

even for the money he’s being paid. He slows the offense up so much. Actually I dont really care for “tweeners”

by focuslja on Apr 28, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually White and Hendo avg’d about the same thing this season. If that means anything. Neither one is that impressive to me

by focuslja on Apr 25, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Huh?

How exactly is 10-3-2-1-1 “about the same” as 6-3-0-0-0?

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2011 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, Brown's doing it to Henderson is NOT valid.

As we’ve both mentioned time and time again, Brooks has eagerly played the young members on his roster, even those with plenty of improvement to do. Brown, on the other hand, has been marginalizing young, talented players in favor of mediocre veterans for not just years, but decades.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2011 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

So because Scott Brooks

has a penchant to play the young guys, because White couldn’t get playing time under him makes him the most terrible player. Keep in mind that PF has been the Thunder’s most stacked position since their inception. (Green, Ibaka, Collison, White)

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 26, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're the only one using the phrase "most terrible player."

But good coaches (like Brooks is) find a way to use players who can contribute. It’s what makes them, you know, good coaches?

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

No. Because you keep inferring that

White isn’t starting material (which I never said). I said he’s been a solid young piece and is at the least a competent ROLE PLAYER. Just because he warmed the bench in OKC doesn’t mean that he can’t be an effective ROLE PLAYER anywhere else in the league.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 26, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure...

If by role player, you mean a guy who plays 8-12 minutes a night and puts up a 3-4-1 line.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Again, their dominance of a solid Denver team that has played well since the Anthony trade has been VERY impressive.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2011 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't call it dominance.

It’s just a playoff series. I’m more impressed by the 8th seeded Grizzlies (minus Rudy Gay) whooping up on the Spurs.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 26, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

The "greatest ever?"

Says whom? Certainly not me or adam.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ok.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 26, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

You accused us of it.

Care to apologize, or will it just be another of your red herrings?

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Apologize for what?

Saying that the way I take it, you’re telling me Brooks is a master of evaluating talent? No. Because all I’m hearing is that Brooks said/did one thing so that makes it all right. I’m sorry, but I just don’t hold his opinion on player’s higher than my own.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 26, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice try, but NOT what you said.
he’s already one of the greatest ever according to you

And the thing is, see, neither of us ever said anything along those lines. And it’s too bad somebody like yourself—with your fantastic eye for talent—isn’t employed as a scout or GM somewhere. Maybe the Bobcats need some weeknight ball boys and you can give Silas and Higgins some tips.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also how "NOT WHAT I SAID"

was White should be a starting player in the league, yet you kept inferring, dozens of times, that I said that. Hmmmmm…….. Can we go back to the glass house thing?

And you’re right, it’s too bad I’m not a scout or GM. But it’s too good that you aren’t. Otherwise, we’d still be trying to build the team around Okafor. Try your best to criticize me for saying White is a decent player based on WHAT I SEEN. But I’ll remember the next time I see you disagree with a player’s playing time to say some dumb shit like “oh, it’s too bad you’re not a scout or GM with your fantastic eye for talent” because coaches are always 100% right.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 27, 2011 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not the one claiming to be a superior basketball mind to everybody in the universe short of Jerry Sloan.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 27, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

So......let me get this right............

just because I don’t think White is a complete scrub and don’t think that Scott Brooks’ word is the gospel, and can think of a lot of coaches that have proven themselves with lesser talents than OKC has this year, that’s the same as me being a “superior basketball mind to everybody in the universe”? Explain yourself.

I’d save that statement more for someone who KNOWS WITHOUT A SHADOW OF A DOUBT that White and Cunningham will never be better than they are now. AKA, you.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 27, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never said that about them. Once.

They can certainly get better. But they’ll still be 8-12 MPG benchwarmers on a good team.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 27, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like I said,

I never said they were anything more than competent role players. You may have seen me said Cunningham can take a leap like Wallace did if things turn out for the best, but other than that, that’s it.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 29, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

How many MVPs did Durant win under another NBA coach?

Or playoff appearances?

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 25, 2011 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lol, weakest arguments ever.

How many MVP’s did LeBron win under Paul Silas? Yeah, Mike Brown really molded his career.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 25, 2011 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he probably didn't do anything at all.

The guy just threw the ball out there and told them to play. I hear Phil Jackson and your boy Jerry Sloan do the same thing.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 25, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lol, do you always have to bring up some BS

to try to change a subject? Let’s talk about Mike Brown and Paul Silas like we are doing Michael. Did Mike Brown coach LeBron into being an MVP or not?

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 25, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Certainly he did.

It is a known fact that Silas was let go because of an ownership change, not because of a lack of development in James or any other young player on those Cavaliers’ rosters. James made consistent improvements and would have likely continued to do so.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2011 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

My only point is that if a player

is good enough, they are more than likely to become MVP’s no matter who a coach is (Durant). That’s not taking anything away from Brook’s coaching him up, that’s just me saying that Brooks does have phenomenal talents on his team. And I attribute that more to the GM than the coach.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 26, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then why should we have coaches at all?

If your contention is that talent is the only factor, why does it matter?

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never said that talent was the only factor,

I was saying that when you’re a talented player like LeBron or Durant, even bad coaching can’t stop you from dominating the game. I mean, you really don’t have to talk about how important coaching is to me considering how Larry Brown basically sabotaged the team, however, I still think a player’s talent comes first.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 26, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think

Collison is CLEARLY better than White. Obviously so did both of DJ White’s coaches.

by adamcawa on Apr 21, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

And obviously Larry Brown thought

McGuire and Stephen Graham were better then Henderson, so exactly where are you going with this?

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 21, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

fair enough

but at the time did any of us know that hendo was “clearly” better than those two?

Certainly that’s Larry Brown’s fault, though.

by adamcawa on Apr 21, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, I knew Henderson was better.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 24, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

He would be a better SG than two SFs

McGuire was a wasted pickup. We shouldve been had Von Wafer

by focuslja on Apr 24, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

what?

I’m not following you? I didn’t say you said that at all. I was simply stating what DJ White was for our team. I didn’t mean “your” in the sense that he would be a fourth man in your opinion, I meant a the Bobcats.

I was simply trying to say I don’t follow your train of logic based on the start of this conversation to that final post of yours. It was basically a little summary of the convo thus far.

by adamcawa on Apr 20, 2011 2:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

What?

You’re losing me. I’m sitting here talking about White’s production in his brief time here playing. Michael attributed that to us being a “shitty” team and needing bodies to play. I’m saying that there isn’t much of a difference between our “shitty” team and other “shitty” teams like the Clippers, Wolves, and Kings. If you want to say a person’s potential is a lot higher than someone elses’ because of the hype they’ve gotten or where they were drafted, that’s fine, but I use my own eyes to judge, and from what I see, Cunningham and White have A LOT of room to grow. Anything else added to this conversation was added by you or Michael, not me.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 20, 2011 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

didn't you just type

“With your logic, you can discredit the stats of every young player on every bad team, including Henderson, Kevin Love, Blake Griffin Tyreke Evans, etc etc”

Again, all I was stating was that I don’t follow your logic to get to that conclusion based on the posts beforehand. Rather, how does your interpretation of “his logic” come to that conclusion?

by adamcawa on Apr 20, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because "his logic"

states that despite anything White or Cunningham accomplished, he was only put in position to accomplish those things because he was on a bad team with hurt players. Using “his logic”, you can say that players like Love, Griffin, and Evans are only in position to accomplish all that they do because they are on bad teams. Instead of judging White and Cunningham from what he’s seen from them during actual games, he would rather say that their ceilings are as role players because they weren’t getting much playing time on their previous teams. Again, I’m only looking for a reasonable explanation as to why Cunningham and White can only be role players throughout their whole careers because I haven’t seen one yet.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 20, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Putting up All-Star level numbers is dissimilar from putting up 10-5 like White and Cunningham did lines in every way.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 20, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Again, all I am asking for is what makes you think that Cunningham and White

are as good as they ever will be?

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 20, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

The fact that they're simply not that good.

Nothing about their play, their skillset, or productivity suggests that they can suddenly become starting-caliber players, which you ahve argued time and time agian.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 20, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

No the hell I haven't.

I haven’t said ANYTHING about White or Cunningham starting. Please show me where you are getting this information from.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 20, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the difference is...

Those teams have at least two future allstars. We dont. Plus they play alot stiffer competition than us. Maybe not MIN but the other two have a wayyyyy better roster than we do. And will have a better roster than we will unless we make some major changes this offseason. (Which would include that 9th pick which is the only way to move JAX, DIAW, TYRUS, DIOP)

by focuslja on Apr 20, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doesn't take away the fact that they are on teams that haven't accomplished anything.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 20, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Neither did Kevin Garnett.

But he produced unprecedented numbers, not mediocre to decent numbers.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 20, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least Minnesota with KG was consistently in the playoffs.

The Wolves, Kings, and Clippers have come nowhere close to being playoff contenders.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 20, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

KG was always surrounded by good pieces

They never went far tho. Those teams now have no player close to the caliber of KG. They all have good teams that with the right coaching strategy will right there. THIS SEASON. But Houston had 43 wins and were out the playoffs with 5 games to go in the season. Clippers only had 2 losses more than we did

by focuslja on Apr 20, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like I said, he's proving to be an extremely competent role player in the post,

something we have lacked since we’ve been in the league.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 19, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

This.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 20, 2011 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ha you dont even know if I have season tickets. "LOSER"

2nd im could care less about your opinion on this team because I can tell you dont know what you are talking about. But your the one that went and set this team sucked and that you are pretty much giving up on them next year so really what kind of fan do you think people on this site are going to think you are? But im done fighting on this site so im sure you will say something back but I wont reply back because whatever you say will be wrong and im done with this.

by TS BOBCAT on Apr 17, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jordan pretty much gave up on them next year.

When you trade your best player for cap space and (at best) three developmental maybes, that’s exactly what you’re doing.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 18, 2011 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't understand you.

One day you’ll be talking about how the team needs to rebuild because the 8th seed is the highest possibility, and then when they make a move towards rebuilding you talk about how terrible it is.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 18, 2011 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Nothing wrong with rebuilding.

You just have to do it well. Frankly, I don’t think it matters what Jordan’s “plan” is; I think he’s incompetent as an executive.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 19, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually

if i say anything at all it’s because i have thought it out, i don’t just say random things

i also know that you don’t have season tickets, but i wasn’t judging the fact that you don’t have season tickets, either, just the fact that you have no right to question my fandom when clearly i’m doing my part as a fan by giving them money. and just like anything you pay for in the world, if you aren’t satisfied, you stop paying for them. but being a season ticket holder doesn’t make me any more or less a fan than anyone else on these forums.

I also never said I’d stop supporting the Bobcats, I would just not buy season tickets again. Why should I waste my time watching a team comparable to our expansion roster?

by adamcawa on Apr 18, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don’t disagree with most of your commentary, but I will point out Portland and Atlanta as teams that have been able to build through youth and the draft to create their core.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 18, 2011 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

fair enough

Although in the Hawks case, I wouldn’t count two players that get significant minutes as a “core”. Teague isn’t really lighting up the NBA and Marvin Williams has regressed each season a little bit.

by adamcawa on Apr 18, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joe Johnson was acquired at 24 (though at a reasonably high cost of Diaw and 2 #1s that became Rondo and Robin Lopez), and Pachulia at 21. Adding Smith, Horford, Teague and Williams, and you’ve got six of their top eight guys in minutes who were acquired at a young age, mostly at a very low cost of acquisition.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 19, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

i thought it was

pretty clear, given the players that i mentioned, that i was referring specifically to the draft

by adamcawa on Apr 19, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I suppose it wasn't so clear to me.

Jordan has discussed in the past the need to acquire talent through the trade market because you don’t have to convince FAs to come. It’s just there’s a difference between acquiring young, affordable players with upside who have also actually proven something and overpaid veterans who will never play up to the level they were at that earned them their bloated salaries.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 20, 2011 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Never said anything about free agency.

We will guarantee overpaying for anybody we get.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 20, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well u said

“Jordan has discussed in the past the need to acquire talent through the trade market because you don’t have to convince FAs to come.”… sometimes thats a risk you take when paying for “human beings”.. i hope we dont think we are going to go far with cheap affordable talent.

by focuslja on Apr 20, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

unless we shed jax or diaw

we don’t have any money spend, let alone hold on to

by adamcawa on Apr 20, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or a Better Suggestion

I wish we found some team as dumb as we were to take Diop. And we got rid of Tyrus’ contract…

by focuslja on Apr 20, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

We're NOT holding it.

We’re paying at or above the salary cap level to produce mediocrity.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 24, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

We are holding it

We need to get rid of them players. We can package those picks and move somebody.

by focuslja on Apr 24, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

in your dream world we can

And if we do, we’re not getting much in return, they’ll just be doing us a favor by taking the contracts. Which means we have to try our luck in free agency with no core whatsoever to draw them to us.

by adamcawa on Apr 24, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

We dont have a core now

So you guys think that Paul and Howard are goin to decide (over other contenders like the lakers, blazers, knicks) to come to the roster we have?

by focuslja on Apr 25, 2011 7:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

you think that

paul and howard are going to come to charlotte anyway?

and if they did, you think they’re gonna take a second paycute since they’re already have had to take one with the outcome of the new CBA

any free agent that is good enough to attract those two is gonna cut into their money

the “core” i was referring to is the one we would be building through the draft, which is the smart thing to do

by adamcawa on Apr 25, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

So you expect Jordan and Higgins to spend lottery tax so we can aim for 41 wins and a #6 seed?

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 25, 2011 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Isn't that your strategy Mr. We Should've Kept Okafor?

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 25, 2011 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

$12 million on Okafor would be a HELL of a lot more productive than the same amount of money spent between Carroll, Najera, and Diop.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 25, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

no offense but

what is the point in arguing over having kept okafor? we didn’t. nothing can change that.

let’s worry about the roster we currently have, or might have in the future

by adamcawa on Apr 25, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's what I'm trying to get to.

I don’t even know why Okafor is still being discussed.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 25, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because it set a pattern for the Bobcats of giving up core starters in order to save money

And apparently even with the benefit of hindsight, some people still don’t realize how destructive that trade was. Non-Bobcat fans look at Okafor, Felton, Chandler, and Crash and wonder why the Bobcats are trying so hard to get worse.

by ClipCat on Apr 26, 2011 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Non Bobcat fans won't take into account the Jordan just bought the team

last year and wants to rebuild everything from the ground up. Felton, Chandler, Crash, and Okafor are all VERY good complimentary players. However, none of them are franchise changing players that Jordan is aiming for. I really think he is just trying to put the team in position to bring in a superstar. Whether he pulls it off or not remains to be seen, but I think he’s on the right path to satisfy his intentions.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 26, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Nets were in great "position" to do that last year.

Hell, they were in better position than we’re going to be with a major media market, an owner with a proven willingness to spend money in his business ventures (not just his gambling sprees), and a talented young core that included several solid young players in Devin Harris, Brook Lopez, and Derrick Favors. And did they pull it off? Nope. They had to trade most of the few long-term assets they had (and some they’ve yet to even acquire) for Deron Williams, and now have to hope and pray he doesn’t bolt once his contract is up.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's true.

But at the same time, I know if I were GM of that team, once I struck out on Wade, James, Bosh, Johnson, Boozer, and Amare, I would’ve said “f it” and filled in the holes with players like Kwame who could probably produce and would play for the minimum. Like I say, I knew the Nets were making a mistake with Petro and Outlaw. I highly doubt anyone would consider coming here under the circumstances we are under now, but I really think MJ has a power move up his sleeve. I mean, no matter if it turns out to be true or not, whenever CP3 is mentioned, now so are the Bobcats. That type of stuff leads to speculation, and we’ll probably be mentioned with him up until the day he signs a new contract. As far as free agents go, that’s a better position than we’ve ever been in (to be mentioned for a player like Paul).

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 26, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

And the Nets were mentioned with James and Boozer.

How much did that help them? The only “mention” linking Paul and Charlotte came from a direct question asked by the AP writer from Charlotte.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, Michael Jordan doesn't own the Nets,

and Chris Paul didn’t grow up in New Jersey. Neither did Bron’ or Boozer. They also didn’t have Deron Williams at that time or championship dreams. Bron chose to go play with his friends and Boozer chose to go to a better team that had a chance to compete. Other than Jay-Z and a potential move to Brooklyn that would’ve been 2 years from that date, Jersey didn’t have anything to offer. You can’t count yourself out of the race until you at least have put yourself in it.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 27, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he shouldve got rid of JAX

a superstar is worthless without a solid core of complimentary players. I think Wallace (esp with his improved outside shot), Augustin and Chandler shouldve been that core. Now all we have left is Augustin. And for some reason he wants a PG. So that leaves nothing really. So why leave the Hornets for a worse team?

by focuslja on Apr 28, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Hornets are headed for a downfall.

Still gotta pay Okafor, gotta hope to keep Paul, gotta see what David West does, no draft picks, no cap room. They can only get worse from here, not better.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 29, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

What Roster...

This season will be a terrible one if we dont sign any FAs

by focuslja on Apr 25, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

If that's the case, we might as well plan on a firesale and tanking the whole season.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2011 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

i'm all for that, honestly

I’d consider letting Hendo go if it meant Diop left with him.

by adamcawa on Apr 26, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's NOT how a firesale works.

You acquire young talent.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you give up players like Henderson, you come out with no net gain.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 28, 2011 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

Anything to move Diop. Now I never said to MOVE Hendo (me? yep i kno)…but Im all for opening up capspace. JAX, Diaw, Tyrus and Diop have to go in order to build. Jax has one more decent season, Diaw obviously doesnt fit the system, Tyrus was just a leap of faith that failed and Diop is Diop. I am all for Augustin, Hendo, and Kwame (i kno, i kno)…but in order to get better we probably will have to start from scratch

by focuslja on Apr 28, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't realize we traded Okafor for Diop.

And again, MJ wasn’t aiming for production with that move, he was aiming to save money. He got damn near the same amount of production from Kwame at about 1/10th the price that he did Okafor, stats man.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 25, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, Kwame's 8-7 while providing mediocre defense were HUGE for us!.

His impressive abilities were probably the reason there was so much competition to sign him this past summer. Again, where did we “save” all this money? Our payroll has gone up since trading Okafor, not down.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.

by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2011 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, our payroll has gone up for a year or two,

but on a long term basis, we still come out better financially having him gone. And how can you acknowledge Okafor’s defensive presence (that doesn’t show up in the stat book) and not Ratliff’s?

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 26, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because Okafor's defensive presence DOES show up in the stat book.

The guy’s had top ten block numbers in the NBA in four different seasons.

And, again, saving money “long-term” doesn’t do us any good. Expensive or not, we knew we had production that was going to come out of money we paid. Now, we have no idea where that money will be spent. I’m sure New Jersey didn’t hope to come away with only Travis Outlaw and Johan Petro for all their cap space. I think I’d rather have Okafor than either or both of those stiffs.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.

by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe I'm confused. Were Chandler and Ratliff not shot blockers?

And I agree on the money thing, trust me Michael, I do. But that’s not the point when I tell you I understand where Jordan was coming from. He’s going to have to be smart with the cap room he creates and not pull another New Jersey stunt. We’ll see how serious he is when it comes to sticking to his plan this offseason. If he signs average players at salaries comparable to the people we let go, I’ll say you were right all along. If we sign players to one year deals or acquire a big name, I’ll believe in MJ’s plan even more.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 26, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not as good as Okafor was.

Again, we don’t have room to acquire even average players. We’re shoved up against the cap with $50 million committed to 10 players and three draftees on the way.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's for next year though.

I don’t think Jordan’s intentions were to get this ship back on the right path within one year.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 26, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you think it's a better strategy to cross your fingers and hope than having proven talent on hand?

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 26, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's up for you to decide individually as a fan.

I’m not happy with the situation entirely, but MJ let us know that he was gonna do some things like this the same week he bought the team. I had high hopes coming into the year for our team, but that 9-19 start under Larry sucked all of that optimism away. Some of it was due to a lack of talent, but most of it was due to the players just not responding to Larry anymore. Last year, you would hear me saying let’s give this team another go round with a full training camp to see how good they can really be. This year, it’s “Ok, I see MJ’s point. The team isn’t going anywhere as currently constructed, blow up the team now while we can to get some decent value for our players”. And I don’t think MJ is crossing his fingers. He knows a lot more about the inner workings of the NBA than we do. Maybe Chris Paul has guaranteed MJ he’ll sign with him if the cap space is there. We don’t know.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 27, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jordan has been in charge of basketball operations since 2006.

His role has not changed on the basketball side at all since he bought the majority of the team. And by the way, any such Paul “guarantee” would be illegal under the CBA rules and would put us at risk of millions more in losses via fines and forfeited draft picks.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 27, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like I say, Jordan has been A LOT more involved

with the team since then. You may not want to acknowledge that, but I do. In 06’, he wasn’t making it part of his agenda to be courtside at games or practicing with players. Hold that against him as much as you want, but it’s obvious he cares a lot more about the progress and development of the team now than he ever did before.

And I’m sure it was illegal for Wade, LeBron, and Bosh to conspire about being on the same team years ago, but without any proof, there was nothing that could be done. The same with Paul.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 27, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe not a B- but a C+

I think he did a great job at times but he lacked consistency. He is still learning so I would hope that next season the consistency improves.

I like the fact that he is working on his offense (saying he needed to develop a floater) but I would like to see him hit the weight room and work on his defense. Getting stronger will hopefully mean he won’t have that late season drop off, he will be able to fight through screens better and be able to compete a bit better when other guards try to post him.

I think that with his speed he could be a at least a average defender (being able to stay in front of his opponenent) so I really want to see him focusing on this side of his game.

I expect to see him being our starter next season (whenever that is).

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by Ben Swanson on Apr 21, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, you did a nice job on the report card

I agree with your overall assessment on DJ. He had a nice season but I still have my doubts if he is the starting PG for the future.

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by Bring Back Primoz on Apr 21, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont, I say stick with Him

He reminds me of a Kyle Lowry. With a consistent floater he could be very dangerous. He has the speed to get to the basket but he hasnt been able to finish well. He can shoot lights out from anywhere on the court. He also had a career high in assists (14) during a time when we had absolutely no shooter but Diaw. During the last 10 games he was between 6 and 8assts. I only see him getting better. He proved more than anyone else (to me) that he can be a solid starter going forward. Kwame Brown surprised this season but Augustin (who I wanted to keep for bench help) proved that he was good enough to be a starter in this year. B+

by focuslja on Apr 21, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying we shouldn't stick with him and let him mature

because we should. I just have my doubts it will ever happen and we’ll be sitting here in a few years wondering where to go like we did with Felton. DJ is fine offensively and I agree that he’ll be much more dangerous when he adds a floater to his arsenal. But defensively, he can’t guard a) his lunch, or b) a flagpole. That is a problem I don’t ever see going away.

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by Bring Back Primoz on Apr 21, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

It will help to have a defensive stud like Hendo in the backcourt with him.

Hell, the Lakers have been covering up Derek Fisher’s defensive deficiencies for years. Not to mention what Philly did with Eric Snow for AI back when those teams were good.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

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by MichaelProcton on Apr 24, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please with the Hendo.

by focuslja on Apr 24, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

please what?

stop stating the obvious about him?

by adamcawa on Apr 24, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

With virtually no playing time whatsoever, he’s already an above-average defender (at worst) against several positions. He’s already aided in shutting down Kobe, Ray Allen, and even Kevin Garnett for stretches of games. That doesn’t happen by accident.

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.

by MichaelProcton on Apr 25, 2011 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haha not at all. I think DJ is the player with the most "off-topic" potential

Because along with Henderson he’s the guy who leads to talking about how Larry Brown sucks. He’s young, so you get into talking about future plans, which could go an any number of directions (as we’ve now seen). He’s shaky at times, which gets into talking about how much he should be a part of said future plans. And oddly enough, with Gerald gone DJ is perhaps our strongest link to the past due to his whopping 3-year tenure, so he equally leads to discussions of the past. It’s a bloody mess.

All of that aside, DJ is a fun player to watch and a great guy who I look forward to watching for years to come. Go DJ!

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by Air_Bobcats on Apr 21, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

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