Game Recap - Orlando Magic 100, Charlotte Bobcats 79
During this 66-game season there will be nights when the Charlotte Bobcats are highly competitive and extremely fun to watch, like the first two games of this season. There will also be nights when they look completely discombobulated and out of sync, like tonight in a 100-79 loss to the Orlando Magic in Charlotte. In general, Orlando is not a good matchup for the Bobcats. Dwight Howard is such a presence inside that even when he doesn’t directly change a shot he changes an entire offensive possession.
Howard’s impression on a game is not unique to playing the Bobcats. The man’s shoulders alone could start for most college teams. But his presence is a particularly difficult obstacle for the Bobcats, and especially for this Bobcats team. As skilled and as impressive as Boris Diaw has been through the first two games, matching up against effing Dwight Howard (if watching your squad effort against Howard doesn’t evoke an "effing" here or there I don’t know what does) is such a challenge on both ends it completely changes the way Diaw was able to impact the game.
But it’s not just Diaw. Every Bobcat who got within a finger roll of the rim tonight was looking for Howard. And even when the Bobcats had a chance to run, for some reason they didn’t. To me, there is one recipe for success for this Charlotte team, run, score and be entertaining. The Bobcats were able to do none of these things tonight.
For starters, the Bobcats spotted the Magic 11 points in the first quarter, and the Magic were able to essentially use that cushion to keep the Cats at bay all night. Even when Charlotte looked to be making a push, cutting the lead to three in the first quarter (as close as they would get all night) the Magic would hit a shot which was most likely a three (12-28 on the night).
At best, the Bobcats turned into a jump-shooting team for most of the night. At worst the Bobcats were a fade-away jump-shooting team. The fears of Corey Maggette being a ball stopper in Charlotte’s offense were realized tonight, but that’s not really fair to him because that was happening all over the floor. Actually, Maggette hit the shots he should have tonight and played well offensively.
In the second half, the Bobcats made three shots in the paint, in the fourth quarter they attempted three. Sure, by that time Orlando was flirting with a twenty-point lead and Howard was putting the finishing touched on a 20-point, 24-rebound night. But all too often the Bobcats were left shooting jumpers, many times without threatening to do anything else.
Howard had such an effect on the Charlotte offense that even when the Bobcats drove to the basket it was just to create room for a kick-out. Strangely enough, the Bobcats looked like the team that had played the night before. Most jumpers found only the front of the rim and loose balls, especially early on, were almost impossible for the Cats to grasp.
If you’ve ever played against Orlando in NBA2K12, you easily recognized what was snowballing in the second half with its continued onslaught of three-pointers. The Magic rained down six three-pointers in the second half, five soul-crushing daggers in the fourth quarter alone. For much of the night, Ryan Anderson looked like the best player on the floor. Yes, at the end of the game you’d be hard pressed to find a Magic player that was more effective. For all Howard did, and he did a whole lot, Anderson hit just about every shot, inside and out, that was put in front of him.
All in all, it just wasn’t a great night for the Bobcats, but they were never completely out of the contest. I think that’s what the worst should look like for this team this year. It’s a horrible matchup for them, and it always has been since Howard was drafted. But this was definitely the worst game so far for Gerald Henderson (4-13, 8 points), Kemba Walker (just two points on 1-9 shooting in 17 minutes), and Diaw (10 points on 4-10 from the field) was quiet for most of the game.
Player notes:
Corey Maggette: After an AWFUL outing against the Heat this week, Maggette was much more confident and sure to shoot tonight. I commented on the ball getting stuck with him earlier, but again I think that was more of a reflection of the overall flow of the game. For the most part, he hit the shots that were open when the Bobcats needed them. If he does that all year he’ll be fine. I would like to see him take his man of the dribble more but again, Howard was lurking all night.
D.J. White: I continue to be really pleased with what White gives this team. He can and does hit the open jumper and he’s not afraid to throw what’s left of his weight around inside. Ultimately though, I think this team will be better served having White be a contributor off the bench mostly because it won’t lose a whole lot from first to second string.
Boris Diaw: After looking like he might join Oscar Robertson in the history books (I know, I know) Diaw looked tired tonight, and ineffective at best. Truthfully, battling Howard is a lot, too much really, to ask of Diaw. To his credit Diaw did all he could but the success he had from the outside against the Heat was nowhere to be found tonight, and the Cats could have used it.
Gerald Henderson: Definitely Henderson’s worst game of the season. He was the almost hero against the Heat, and I actually think he played Dwayne Wade rather well on that last possession. But he did not attempt a shot from beyond three tonight and worse he did not attempt a free throw. Henderson was one of many Bobcats who looked to be suffering from tired legs on jumpers. Could have been one of those nights, let’s hope so because Charlotte hasn’t even played a back-to-back yet. However, I’m not concerned about Henderson and chalk this one up to an off night.
D.J. Augustin: As solid as Diaw has been this year, I think Augustin has been the most consistent and effective Bobcat so far. It’s extremely encouraging to see Augustin’s toughness and success on the offensive end. He’s always going to be picked on on the defensive end because of his size but he’s shown to be a fighter. Further, it’s apparent to me that he and Walker will be playing together in crunch time.
DeSagna Diop: Diop did not play against Miami, but you knew he would see time tonight. It’s really difficult to say any Bobcat was effective inside when Howard had a 20-20 night, but Diop did his part. He has the weight to keep Howard pushed out as much as he can. Unfortunately, Howard is just a beast.
Matt Carroll: Carroll played 11 minutes, did not take a shot, missed a technical free throw and grabbed three rebounds. For Carroll to make an impact he really has to be able to spot up and make that three-point shot. The Bobcats need Reggie Williams in the lineup but that won’t be possible for a while. Charlotte needs Carroll to get on track from the outside.
Derrick Brown: Brown did what he does best in providing energy on both ends of the floor. Like a majority of Bobcats tonight not much stood out from Brown, and the three-point prowess of Orlando’s wings didn’t exactly help matters.
Kemba Walker: As mentioned, certainly Walker’s most ineffective game thus far from a scoring standpoint. Walker still has "it" and that can’t be denied. Walker leads that second group of players that enters between the third and fourth quarters and tries to change the pace of the game. I wouldn’t have minded seeing them take a little more of the minutes tonight just to see what they could have done. But, unfortunately they were just taking jumpers like everyone else for the most part. He did not have it going from outside tonight, but the shots weren’t short. He can still get to the rim (almost at will) and his on-the-ball pressure is (hopefully) contagious. Also, he’s shoes were insane tonight.
Byron Mullens: Mullens just works. The trade for Mullens should be recognized for what is, a MASSIVE win for Charlotte. Mullens is a former first round draft pick who was buried on the Oklahoma City bench. He’s got the range and accuracy to spread the floor. If he can provide a little more on the boards it wouldn’t shock me to see Mullens starting at some point his season.
Bismack Biyombo: Each game is a stepping stone for Biyombo. And what’s great is that you can see he’s enjoying every second of each NBA game, even on the bench. Some of the more entertaining minutes tonight were a couple of possessions where Biyombo matched up against Howard. For obvious reasons, Howard got the best of these matchups, but only by rule. Biyombo sent him to the line (really a win) and held is ground well. From a Bobcats standpoint, it has to be encouraging to see Biyombo go toe-to-toe with Howard and not back down. A long way to go for sure, but he didn’t jump at every fake tonight.
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Bismack was the best part of this game
Steve had it right when he said, “This is what we’ve been waiting for” as Howard tried to back down the Bizness. Did not disappoint. Played great D on a dominant center, got called for a bogus foul on the rebound, didn’t he even block one of Howard’s hook shots? This guy is advancing quickly and should peak just as this team is peaking a year or 2 from now. I do want to see some more offense from him. He seems to have the potential with some nice hook shots when he gets the chance. Definitely see some Ibaka in him.
He did get the block
and had Howard visibly agitated from his defense a few plays later. I thought he played exceptionally poised against the baddest big-man in the game.
All Hail The Camtastic One!!!
Me, Bitches!
It has been mentioned before that he matches up well with Howard
If he can match up with and defend the only true dominant center in the NBA, then why can’t he play the 5?
by Batumshakalaka on Jan 3, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly.
What more could you ask for from your big man?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 3, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
When Richardson casually strolled up to his favorite angle behind the arc and took the "shoot around" 3 pointer...
I prayed that it wasn’t going to be that kind of night for our defensive rotation. I can stomach Howard getting a 20-20, because he can do that against most teams. But our defensive switches were really poor early on, and before I could finish shaking my head at that J-Rich freebie, we were down by 11.
Good breakdown of our players. I was really hoping Silas would break the mold and start Diop or Biyombo (or Mullens?) to guard Howard.
I’m VERY encouraged by Mullens. He’s easily the most pleasant surprise for me so far, and I wouldn’t be the least bit bothered if he found his way in the starting lineup…at least until Biyombo is ready (sooner than later, I think).
Still not onboard the Maggette bandwagon. It’s not even that he hasn’t met my expectations, because I honestly didn’t know what to expect from him, but…I dunno. Just not in love with his game for some reason or another. I know he was our top scorer and rebounder tonight, and looked good with his long range shot. I just…I dunno. lol…maybe he’ll grow on me.
I’m confident enough to write off the combined shooting of Augustin, Kemba, & Hendo (8-33!) as a fluke. I would throw in Carroll’s numbers, also…but then again, maybe I did. (see what I did there?)
Okay, I’ll admit…I missed Tyrus a bit tonight. lol…I think we could have used his stature in the paint tonight.
Sunday will be another good test for us. I’m pretty sure we will have Miami’s undivided attention.
Newton for '11 ROY! (Update: Etch it in stone)
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for DPOY!
I'm with you on Maggette
Just a big no thanks for me.
They call him
Bad Porn for a reason. I dont think its a coach in the league that “sold” on Maggette’s style of play or really can explain much about him. But one this is almost for certain; 19ppg 5rebs. This is why he’s been around so long. Its like someone (Coach K) took Vince Carter’s DNA and made a clone but left out the “style” gene….
by focuslja on Dec 31, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Lol.
I’ve never seen anyone describe Maggette so perfectly.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 31, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
LMAO
I never knew they called him Bad Porn. LOL. You pretty much hit it right on the head with the description also.
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by gunnin' gervin on Dec 31, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Although the team didnt win the game
we see a lot of good things happen in the team. DJ Augustin really improves his skill in this summer. In those three games , he did his best to pass the ball and take the shot . But I have to say, if he can take more chances to shot , it will really help the team. I hope he can get healthy as soon as possible. In THIS season, he will prove himself , I always have the faith in him ,good luck bobcats.
He got hot when Silas took over
Then he tailed off and some reports said he was tired. I wonder about his conditioning. He looked worn out tonight, shots falling short.
If our effort was bad because of exhaustion, we in for a LONG season. 3 games in 5 is nothing for this season.
About his injuries
I’m really worried about his injuries – his ankle and elbow, He sprained his ankle too many times this season and I’m not sure about his elbow is fine . But those guys are very young , they can recover very quickly ,so I think it will be fine.
Best Player
DJ Augustin is the Bobcats best player and best shooter but he is terrible defensively. Walker will not be taking his spot no time soon because DJ is a better distributor than Walker. When is Tyrus Thomas coming back? He is so injury prone! Matt Carroll is garbage! If he is not making shots then he should not be on the floor! Higgins should get Carroll’s minutes. Magette is awful as well. He is just jacking up shots instead of taking the ball to the rim. I will be glad when Reggie Williams is healthy.
by jayo28262 on Dec 31, 2011 1:57 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Walker's lack of distribution is because he's looking to create his own shot first
Whereas DJ usually looks to find an open player.
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by southtunnel on Dec 31, 2011 7:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
To find an open player is the most important thing for a PG to do it . When the team need you , you can shoot the ball.
The most important thing for a PG to do
is the exact same thing for the SG, SF, PF, and C to do: whatever it takes to win. If that means getting 0 assists but scoring 50 points, so be it. If that means getting 50 assists but scoring 0 points, so be it. If it means scoring 0 points and getting 0 assists, so be it. I don’t care what each position does so long as it is the most beneficial thing that player can be doing to help us win.
by Tim Rudisill on Dec 31, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 31, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
So true
Whatever the system and your team needs is what the players should do, like you stated. besides He tried to set people up but fools were dropping passes or wasn’t ready for the pass.
He does seem to look for his shot initially more than trying to facilitate but I remember when Dyson and Stanley Robinson was there in UCONN he took a back seat and tried to be the facilitator. So I think he will be just fine with more practice and more offensive talent around him.
Besides the guy gets to the rack at will from what I’ve seen so far from him and that is always a good thing for a point guard to be able to do
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by gunnin' gervin on Dec 31, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
This!
A PG’s job is to distribute, but every players role becomes to score I they are capable.
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by southtunnel on Dec 31, 2011 7:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
All else considered....
The thing our 2 rookies have impressed me most with is, by far, defense!! I expected that from The Biz, but Kemba has show very quick, disruptive hands and smart, bball IQ D moves (drawing charges, being pesky). I see his size overmatched… But he finds ways to produce on the D end. I like it lots.
by mives36 on Dec 31, 2011 2:18 AM EST via mobile reply actions
1. Kemba should start. Point blank. He is struggling because he should not be coming off the bench. He needs to be in the game from the start to establish himself and get into the flow of the game. He will never be effective here unless he gets alot more playing time.
2. Silas is making some terrible line up decisions.
3. I really don’t get all the praise for Augustin. He makes terrible decisions with the ball and he does not establish himself as the leader, plus, he has to be the worst pg I have ever seen when it comes to defense. It’s time to end the Augustin experiment.
4. Howard gets away with murder. He can push and shove with no whistle, he screams after someone gets all ball and it’s a foul. He is not as good as advertised. Biyombo was hanging with him and you could see Howard getting frustrated because he is not used to someone handling him defensively.
"You ain't supposed to be smiling and giggling after we lose. I've never had the mentality of losing in my whole life and for a person to tell me you can't win them all, that's a loser's mentality." - Cam Newton
The only thing different Silas could have done with the lineup is keep Biyimbo and Diop in the whole game
I mean if there’s no one on the roster that can attack Howard in the paint, then there’s not much Silas can do.
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by southtunnel on Dec 31, 2011 7:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
We were doing a good job of keeping him away from the basket early
But when he’s hitting those hooks he’s pretty much unstoppable.
by Basketball Rambler on Dec 31, 2011 8:29 AM EST up reply actions
I disagree with you on starting Kemba Walker and don’t think he needs to start. He has not earned the right to start over Augustin. Kemba has to outplay Augustin and can’t be just given the reins of the team. You are right about Augustin’s defense being terrible. DJ played good off the bench when Felton was here and so Walker has to do the same.
by jayo28262 on Dec 31, 2011 9:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed
Dj has earned the starting job and Kemba has not done enough to take the job away from him
I think DJ is a superior PG at this stage of their careers.
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Howard is a bitch.
He elbows people all game and then complains at every ticky tack little thing that happens to him.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 31, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
This is the modern superstar
LBJ, D-Wade, Westbrook… Why I like Derrick Rose so much. He just plays (for the most part).
I agree.
Durant, Rose, hell, even Blake Griffin to an extent…….these guys just play ball. These are the stars I feel comfortable rooting for.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 31, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
Blake
was crying like a bitch last night against Chicago but he was getting beat up. Rose is one of the only superstars who doesn’t cry a whole lot. Even my boy Tim Duncan cries like a bitch. LOL. But emotion is part of the game and if you think you got hacked then 9 times out of 10 you gonna at the very least make a face. LOL.
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by gunnin' gervin on Dec 31, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Lol. Timmy do be crying like hell though.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 31, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
He cried in college too
And for all the years he played at Wake and San Antonio, he still hasn’t committed a foul. I’ve never been able to stand him.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Jan 1, 2012 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
Timmy never fouls
And any call directed at him is due to human error. Fact!
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 2, 2012 10:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Griffin has started to complain a lot
I think the whole “lob city” thing has gone to all their heads. CP3 needs to manage that.
its gone to his head too
I think its wrong the team didnt trade him BUT…I also think it showed the real CP3 with how he reacted…he’s a diva also. So is Dwight
Corey Maggette with a breakout game!
He takes more shots than anyone else (hitting only 40%), scores a whopping 20 points, and we end up scoring only 79 for the whole game. Corey Maggette’s success stifles the rest of the team. Who would have guessed?
To his credit, he did have a few plays where he stayed within the flow of the offense and he essentially took the best shot available for the possession. No one else really seemed to be stepping up either, so it’s not like he was stealing opportunities from other players. But I still think it’s a bad sign if we let Corey be the guy on offense for the rest of the season. He’ll get his, and we’ll get a top 3 pick in the draft.
by Basketball Rambler on Dec 31, 2011 7:14 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Yeah I'm not impressed with Maggette at all
I see now why he gets mist of his points from free throws… Because he’s not very good at finishing his shot.
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by southtunnel on Dec 31, 2011 7:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree.
Our young guys are competent enough to make baskets as long as the ball keeps moving. As soon as it gets in Maggette’s hands, the ball rotation stops.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 31, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
Well judging by the game thread
In Maggs defense, his success didnt at all stifle the team. The shots just werent falling. I mean some did predict that him having a breakout game would hurt the team. But in this case, He had a breakout game on the same day the rest of the team stunk…He wasnt a blackhole yesterday or someone wouldve said it…
Yeah.
It’s not as much about last night as it is about what I’ve learned about him over the years. DJ, Kemba, and Hendo were all having bad shooting nights. Someone had to step up. I don’t blame him for last night’s loss at all.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 31, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't watch the game last night so take this with a grain of salt
One of the things I liked about Maggette through the first 2 games was how he didn’t bog down the offense. It seemed like he was comfortable allowing Hendo and DJ to take a majority of the shots, which is what should be happening. I don’t love Maggette’s game either but he seems to be a better “team guy” than Jax, and that alone is an upgrade in my opinion.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Dec 31, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
He is a much better team guy than Jax.
I’m not so disappointed about Maggette’s ball movement as I am at the shots he is taking. He has open opportunities and passes the ball and then is well played and forces a shot. That’s not beneficial for any player to do so I don’t expect it to continue, but it’s been one of the reasons for me at least that he has been disappointing thus far.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 31, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
I agree to an extent. At one point the lead was down to single digits and Maggs took some very questionable early in the shot clock shots. It was like he was thinking I can be the hero or really spark a bigger run if I hit this instead of letting his points come in the flow of the game.
But like you stated initially he didn’t force the issue and looked to be trying to play within the system. Guys were just missing shots and the rotation off the help defense was awful!!!!! I mean they left so many shooters wide the hell open or doubled straight off the guy who was throwing in the entry pass to Howard every time. They didn’t even attempt to bring the double from behind him the whole game.
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by gunnin' gervin on Dec 31, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
Looked just like the playoff series.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 31, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
it was hella frustrating to watch
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by gunnin' gervin on Dec 31, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
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Don't hate me... But this is what happens when your Center is really a "point" forward
Sure he creates offensive mismatches for smaller teams, but eventually you have to have someone to bang around with guys like Howard. 2 years ago Diaw wasn’t a problem, because we had Wallace, Chandler and other bigs to attack Howard. And beat them once that year.
So this has to be addressed, whether we keep Diaw or not.
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by southtunnel on Dec 31, 2011 8:03 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I never said Diaw could match up with Howard
I fully agree that the team needs a true center, and I’m hoping Biyombo can be our Ben Wallace type center in a few years.
by Basketball Rambler on Dec 31, 2011 8:27 AM EST up reply actions
He'd be shorter than all the league's top Centers
Maybe that wingspan compensates for it
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by southtunnel on Dec 31, 2011 7:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That's the thing though.
No one has ever said they felt confident having Diaw at center for an entire season. There is a big difference between that and appreciating his skill set for a big man and keeping him as the focal point on offense. He doesn’t slow down ball movement, doesn’t take too many bad shots, and sets screens better than anyone on the team. I totally agree, whether Diaw is retained or not, our center spot needs a major upgrade. I’m still hoping Biz can eventually become that. I don’t see him playing PF the rest of his career with such a limited offensive game.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 31, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
Like others have said
No one is saying we don’t need a Center. Diaw is definitely not the answer there. But it’s not Diaw’s fault that he has been forced into a role he isn’t suited for because we have such a deficiency at the position. We all know we desperately need a Center, but that does not mean Diaw is a garbage player that doesn’t belong on the court. He’s been a great contributor this year and it’s hard to find players with as diverse a skillset as Diaw possesses.
Well yeah everyone is saying that now
2 days ago though y’all were singing his mismatch big man praises.
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by southtunnel on Dec 31, 2011 7:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Smh
I give up.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 31, 2011 9:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That's not true
Everybody has been saying we need a Center since I started visiting this blog regularly, which was about 2-3 weeks ago.
I don't doubt that
But the Diaw love got thick after the past 2 wins. I don’t think you were in on it. But I got rippppeed! for suggesting I’d prefer a more physical C and/or PF to Diaw.
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by southtunnel on Dec 31, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
You can copy and paste anytime you'd like to
As well sir nutrider.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 1, 2012 7:54 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Im not nutriding
Im telling the truth…he was ripped for his point. Its a difference between disagreeing and rippin somebody for their opinion. He, my friend, was ripped…
Copy paste, copy copy paste.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 1, 2012 1:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Lol.
What do you mean by ripped? Because someone disagreed with you? Let me refresh your memory since you seem to forget so easily. Here is how the discussion went. You can look it up if you want to dispute ANYTHING…….
Us: Wow, Boris had a couple of great games. Almost reaching triple doubles in both.
You: Boris is only doing that because this is a contract year. He doesn’t have a natural position anyway so it isn’t a good fit here.
Us: We are not so sure it’s about the money. Maybe it’s because the offense is centered around him that he is playing better.
You: No. It’s all about the money and Boris isn’t ideal because he doesn’t do the things a traditional PF does.
Us: So Boris has no place in the NBA because he’s not a traditional PF? The same man that had close to two triple doubles? One against the best team in the league in a one point loss?
You: We need to trade away Boris just to make sure we get something.
Us: With the way he has been playing, I wouldn’t be happier with anything other than a late lottery to mid first round pick. Otherwise I would rather hold on to him throughout the year and attempt resigning him.
You: But Boris can’t play every center in the leauge. Dwight will kill him.
Us: But Boris isn’t a center and Dwight kills all of them anyway. Boris will get smashed obviously. It’s not fair to say Boris isn’t a fit because he can’t guard Howard. Did we just forget what he did the first two games? And besides, it’s not like Howard can completely shut down Boris anywhere but inside the paint. Having him stretch the floor can bring Howard outside the box and open the lane for cutters.
You: But I hate Boris.
Us: We do too on most nights. But let’s not put resigning him out of the question just because he is older. If he is still putting up these kinds of numbers by the deadline and we don’t receive a fair trade offer, hold on to him.
You: But we need a bigger center.
Us: Point to where anyone has ever disputed that.
You: I hate Boris.
I love to debate all day, but I don’t appreciate anyone making up shit just to back up whatever argument they are trying to make as you are doing now. All of the evidence is in the thread and all you need to do is copy and paste to prove yourself that anyone has ever suggested that we leave Boris at center and that he would shut down Dwight. And if you can’t find those lines, which you won’t, then don’t make up shit to prove your baseless argument. YOU even went as far as to suggest that Boris was the key reason we lost the game on the last play, which is ridiculous in itself, so please, cut it out. And if you feel that someone suggesting that we ever possibly keep Boris rather than trading him for peanuts is “ripping” you, you need some sensitivity training kid. Youre desperate to try to seem right so the first thing you do after a bad loss against the greatest center in the world is try to use it as another example of why you feel Boris isn’t good. It’s whatever. Rambler knows it. Anyone with half a brain cell and is literate can see it as well. Stop making up shit. It’s lame and annoying.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 1, 2012 7:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
OK! Let everyone know that "Charlotte Bobcat" is total BSing people.
I NEVER said “I hate Boris” … I NEVER said ANYTHING about Boris being in a contract year, or being all about the money. Dude, now I know I can’t have any type of thoughtful debate with you, because you’re either blurring arguments you’ve had with others. Or you’re just totally making up stuff.
This is how I roll, animal print pants out control.
You're the one making shit up.
And you are the one that brought the whole Boris debate back up. Like I said, go copy and paste the shit. It’s all there. Talking about you don’t think it has anything to do with it being a contract. That’s TOTAL bs. When I said something about Tyson Chandler regressing back to his old self after getting paid what did you say? Something along the lines of “that’s where I’m coming from with Boris”. Now it has nothing to do with him being in a contract year to you? Lol. Blatant lies dude. Instead of talking about how you can’t have a thoughtful debate with me then why don’t you try to prove your point that anyone said Boris would be a good long term center or he could stop Dwight. Otherwise, cut it out. It’s pathetic how y’all like to argue about one thing, realize you’re wrong or your argument is baseless, and then try to turn it into something totally different. Let’s see where someone “ripped” you for suggesting we need a better center because that is TOTAL bs and you know it. My whole point in the beginning is that trading Boris for a bag of peanuts just to get compensation for him wouldn’t be a smart move. Anything else concerning that is based around some other dumbass point that you tried to bring up to discredit Boris’ accomplishments over his first few games…..i.e., this is a contract year and thats the only reason he is doing good, Boris isn’t a traditional PF so he doesn’t fit here, Boris can’t guard Dwight one on one, Boris’ help defense lost us the game, etc……..FACT!
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 1, 2012 10:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Lol.
I’m not mad, I just don’t like people arguing against their own words
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 1, 2012 10:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I've gotta agree with CB.
No one was ripping ST, but instead defending the fact that even though he wasn’t a traditional PF/C, but he was helpful in his unorthodox style.
by Panthers FTW on Jan 1, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Thank you!
That’s all I was ever doing. The only time I ever addressed the center position was when I said I hope Bismack can grow into that one day because I just don’t see him as a PF. Everyone knows we need a true starting center. I wouldn’t dare argue that we didn’t.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 1, 2012 12:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That's cool if you don't think anyone was ripping me
I get that. But the fact remains that CB is totally lying about some of the stuff I said. So just be ready… Next time you disagree with him he might do it to you too.
This is how I roll, animal print pants out control.
Lying about what?
What can I lie about if it’s all in writing? When I said that you said “I hate Boris” it’s because at those points in the conversation you stopped providing legitimate arguments and your hate for Boris was shining through which is why Rambler said that you’ve made your mind up about him and aren’t changing it. You didn’t need to say the words “I hate Boris” for anyone to come to that conclusion so stop thinking being extra literal is going to help your case. You still haven’t pointed out one sentence proving anyone “ripped” you for suggesting we need a better sentence. You brought the entire subject up and made the claim in this thread so prove yourself. Otherwise move on and stop mentioning “CB”.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 2, 2012 10:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Seriously though. I thought we were having good fun in debate
But you know you are totally lying. And honestly, I’m just not going to do this with you anymore, because while you might think it’s fun… I think it’s pretty childish.
This is how I roll, animal print pants out control.
Yes.
I agreed. It is childish for someone to lie and say they were ripped for suggesting we need a new center when no one EVER disputed that.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 2, 2012 10:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Man up and quit changing the subject
I already said that’s cool if you think I didnt get ripped. I’ll humbly back down from that. But please be a man and either admit you lied, or post the comment link to where I said Diaw was just playing for money or a contract.
This is how I roll, animal print pants out control.
Now we're going to focus on the contract talk huh?
You didn’t say it, but you jumped in on it so I assumed you shared the same opinion. I apologize for assuming that you felt Diaw was only doing good for the money. Perhaps you feel that Diaw is only doing good as a fluke. And part of me feels that way too which is why I said let him have a few bad games before we’re talking about dealing him away. But just like you can’t say I ever ripped you for suggesting we needed a more powerful post presence, I can’t sit here and say that you said Boris’ primary motivation was money because you never said it directly. I humbly admit that. Either way, for me this is dumb and I only went after you because you happened to say that I suggested we didn’t need another center which I took great offense to because in my heart that’s our primary need. We’re all Bobcat fans here and lord knows there aren’t enough of us in the world to be bickering over petty crap like what to do with Boris so when it comes to speaking with you, I won’t mention it too much because everything I was saying was hypothetically speaking anyway. It was “IF” Boris is playing this good up to the deadline. It was “IF” no one would give us a good return package. Frankly, to me, Boris doesn’t fit here long term but my whole point was let’s not trade a player who is more successful in Silas’ system than anyone just because he was older unless he could get us a good return. It’s hard for me to “back up” something I truly don’t believe in at all which is why I took offense to it in the first place because starting Boris at center all year would be dumb. But we’re both jumping around here a bit. You said you were getting ripped for that which didn’t happen and I said you said he was only playing for a contract which didn’t happen either. I’ll man up and drop it because you’ve always been a cool dude on here and I’m not the one to have “beef” with anyone on the internet. So let’s just agree to disagree and realize that in the end, we both only want the best success of the Bobcats.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 2, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Diaw is fine for this year.
Is he the permanent solution? Heck no.
Is he a temporary stopgap that will create as many problems for the opposition as he does for us? Usually, yep.
Do we need to find a permanent solution? Of course.
I don’t know if it’s still true, but after the first two games we were leading the league in offensive rebounds. That’s pretty damn impressive considering we are starting Diaw at C.
by Tim Rudisill on Jan 1, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Don't hate me... But this is what happens when your Center is really a "point" forward
Sure he creates offensive mismatches for smaller teams, but eventually you have to have someone to bang around with guys like Howard. 2 years ago Diaw wasn’t a problem, because we had Wallace, Chandler and other bigs to attack Howard. And beat them once that year.
So this has to be addressed, whether we keep Diaw or not.
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by southtunnel on Dec 31, 2011 8:03 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Is that your New Year's Resolution?
Bold prediction. Personally, I thought all of all losses (if we even lost at all!) would be one point heart breakers. Boy, was I ever wrong, huh?
Newton for '11 ROY! (Update: Etch it in stone)
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for DPOY!
I felt like Turkoglu was open the entire game.
Our perimeter defense was atrocious tonight. Dwight or no Dwight, you can’t leave Richardson, Anderson, and Turkoglu with wide open looks. These guys went 10-24 from 3 point.
Boone Logan is a good boy. So is David Robertson. Team A.J.
by goyanks69 on Dec 31, 2011 9:49 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Orlando beat us playing their game
It’s easy to say you have to cover those guys, but that’s what the Magic do.
by Basketball Rambler on Dec 31, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
I would rather let Howard go for a 100 on us.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 31, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
exactly my point
why focus all the energy on a guy who is going to get his 20/20 regardless of what we do. we don’t have the talent to stifle dwight, so why leave all their perimeter shooters open?
Boone Logan is a good boy. So is David Robertson. Team A.J.
I thought we figured that out two years ago.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 31, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
Matt Carroll and Derek Brown.
Why was Carroll in the game? He didn’t contribute anything last night! Why doesn’t Derek Brown work on his jumper and dribbling skills in his spare time? If he doesn’t get a dunk then he can’t shoot or dribble.
by jayo28262 on Dec 31, 2011 10:09 AM EST via mobile reply actions
And that's why he is here on a minimum level deal.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 31, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
I believe he is working on those skills. You can kind of tell.
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
Yeah. You can tell he's much better
putting the ball on the floor than he was last year. Last year he wouldn’t even try.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 31, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Just realized that the Bobcats have 3 highly touted post players
in Mullens Biyombo and TT. That might bode well for the future
Matt Joyce > Gabe (Insert last name here)
I just cant wait until draft time. This is the best draft class since Bosh, Wade and James all got drafted. Jeremy Lamb, Harrison Barnes, Anre Drummond, Jared Sullinger and Anthony Davis, Austin Rivers.. The list goes on and on and id be happy with either one. Id like Davis, Barnes or Lamb.
Yes we do
Reggie Williams is really a 3 and Im starting to think the only reason Brown is here is to take up that slack. But I’d rather us have one REAL backup at every position…Plus soon Matty will be gone. I hope we can grab Wes Johnson once Minny gets tired of him…
Yeah, that's what I was thinking you meant.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 31, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
Wes would be nice...
And you might be right that RWIll fits the 3 better. Ellington from Minny? Backup obviously. Either way…I don’t think there is a need to spend our high draft pick on a SG. Hendo is doing fine. If we are picking high, we fill other needs.
If we do better than thought….and our pick ain’t as high…this Kidd-Gilchrist SF from Kentucky is pretty tough! He plays hard and has a knack for finding himself in big plays. Good game going vs. Louisville.
You don't see Johnson are more of a SF?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 31, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
SOLD!
Us Wolves fans are quite tired of Wes “emo” Johnson. Any particular ideas on how to get this done? The Wolves really need a Hendo/Reggie type of player, but I’m not sure the Wolves have pieces to do that…
Lol.
What? The Wolves don’t have the pieces to trade with the Bobcats?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 31, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
+1
Hell, give us Beasley and Wes for Tyrus and whoever is expiring…
Having watched all the Wolves games this season
Absolutely not. I wouldn’t go near Beasley and Wes Johnson is terrible.
If he doesnt work
He’s 7mil coming off the books at the end of the season. But he’s def way more productive and cheaper than Tyrus. Beasley could be a ALL STAR if he had his attitude in check. And Wes Johnson can come off the bench for a scoring spark
The attitude is the problem
And I don’t think it will ever change. His matador defense isn’t encouraging either.
Aint he like 23
22? He has a very long career ahead of him…Vast skillset…he just needs guidance (Silas)…somebody to trust him
So other than skill sets,
What do you think the difference is between him and Tyrus
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 1, 2012 8:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Wouldnt skillset be enough?
He can actually make the jumper that Tyrus refuses to leave alone. He is also very good from 3. He can bring the ball up court. He can play in the post. Not just bang. But he has the footwork. He’s just a better all-around player than Tyrus. Not only that but he’ll turn 23 next week…
I'm not saying that he's a lost cause per se, but he has not been known to be the best chemistry guy...
Your argument is that his skills and production will outweigh the negative aspects of his personality and attitude as they currently stand. There is also a possibility in your view that Paul Silas can shift his attitude enough to displace that negativity even further.
All I’ll say on both of those fronts is that is a lot of “ifs” for a young team that is searching for balance, chemistry, and confidence. I think it’s safe to assume that you’re taking significant risks in acquiring a player that has had both on-court and off-court issues and then placing that player on a team that already has one “attitude” guy and a young core that is trying to develop.
If this were a more veteran team that could handle any chemistry and team balance issues easily, I would say yes, take a flyer on him, he’s a great talent that has yet to find the right situation.
But we’re not that veteran team, and I think we’d be doing some of the other young players a disservice by acquiring him and hoping Paul Silas’ good vibrations would be enough to make that work.
And Tyrus is what? 24?
I’m not defending Thomas. In the last couple of weeks I’ve been progressing gradually towards trading him, but I just want to know why you feel like Beasley’s attitude would be different here.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 1, 2012 12:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah. Gosh, Hendo was COLD last night...
but I like what I have seen so far. I think SG is pretty solid right now w/Hendo and RWill. Not a huge fan of the “good” SG’s in this draft either. I would almost rather have Brad Beal than Lamb…don’t know exactly why.
I’ve said it…..and I will say it again. I think Drummond and Barnes are the best for us.
Last night showed how important a defensive center is
Anthony Davis + Bismack = Nobody coming in the paint.
I like the idea...
But Davis has good instincts and swat steez… He also looks like an NBA center will back down on him and fracture his pelvis.
by mives36 on Dec 31, 2011 2:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
Davis does need to hit the gym something serious but I like him a lot. I mean the guy has great defensive and rebounding instincts. Drummond is a grown ass man but he doesn’t get boards or block shots like Davis. Both look like they will be good pro’s though
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by gunnin' gervin on Dec 31, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
Lamb
is a pretty solid defender and he is taller and longer than Beal. I like both a lot to be honest but I would go with the taller, longer guy if it was me drafting. I think Lamb can play both the 2 and 3 while Beal is a short 2.
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by gunnin' gervin on Dec 31, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know why I'm not huge on Lamb..
just has that look…
lazy look?
Not as fiery as I’d like?? I dunno….I’m tripping…
Jeremy Lamb
for UCONN not the guy on Kentucky, right? If that is who you are talking about I agree about him not looking interested half the time. He looks like he is about to fall asleep on the court a lot of times. LOL. I think that is just the way he looks, kinda like Kawhi Leonard for us
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by gunnin' gervin on Dec 31, 2011 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
I think Lamb could be the next Kobe, hes a beast. I also love Harrison barnes, Barnes in my eyes is the next Durant. Barnes is great at creating his own shot, has a beautiful 3 point shot and a great perimeter shooter and hes a home guy from UNC.
by PantherTrain on Dec 31, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think Barnes is that great at creating his own shot but I haven’t seen a shit load of his games either. He is a good jump shooter though and he seems to love shooting his jumper. LOL. On draftexpress.com they were breaking down his game so far in the year and he has way more jumper attempts than anything else.
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by gunnin' gervin on Dec 31, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
You've got to stop comparing Barnes to Durant
It’s not even close. Nobody is like Durant.
Barnes at BEST
is Iggy…and I think that is his ceiling…
Really??
I see more…but that’s through my lenses.
by mives36 on Dec 31, 2011 8:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Im not saying he sucks
bc Iggy doesnt suck. But I cant see him being the focal point of any team. Ever. There will be some SURPRISES but I dont think any of those guys other than Kidd-Gilchris and Lamb even have a chance of being a focal point of a team…
I agree.
At this stage I don’t see anyone that could come in and make a major difference in the W column for us.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 1, 2012 12:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Agree or not
Barnes reminds me of Dwayne Wade…
If he attacks the basket more often..
and fearlessly…then I can see this comparison. Listen…Barnes has the ability to be anything he wants to be. He has a nasty jumper. A nice jab step to create room for his shot. And has has the strength, athleticism, and shot-adjustment ability to be a Wade type force cutting the lane. But he has to be more aggressive.
If it weren't for offseason activities, would you even be interested in sports?
C’mon; the season just started!
* sigh *
I don’t know why I’m even surprised; you were talking about the Panthers drafting Andrew Luck back in August during the preseason. So I guess I’ve got tons more of that to look forward to. Fantastic.
Newton for '11 ROY! (Update: Etch it in stone)
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for DPOY!
by Newsinz on Dec 31, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hahaha. Word. PantherTrain is a draft freak!
Dude loves to analyze and throw out names for drafts down the road. I think he has ranted for the Panthers to draft every guy listed in the Top 20 picks…as a must have! But I gotta admit, I’m a nerd for drafts too. It’s so hard not to think about (especially when you are watching these college guys balling it up as much as your boy!).
But I agree. Draft talk should be minimal. We need to focus on the task at hand and enjoy the gifts we have now!! The Biz has been more than worth watching and will continue to get better and be more entertaining. Kemba has to be seen to be appreciated. The fans in the Box are pumped. MJ looks excited. Cam is there. Beason. Jon Stewart. Jeter? Things are fun and looking up for our boys. Trust the Cho! Trust the MJ!
Wait, isnt the theme this year for Bobcats fans is to lose now so we can build for the future and take a superstar in this amazing draft class?
Im only a draft freak when it comes to rebuilding years, when you know your team wont go anywhere this season and are clearly in rebuild mode, whats wrong with talking draft? Just like when next NFL season comes ill be talking about playoffs and seeding because this season was the rebuild year.
by PantherTrain on Dec 31, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Lmao.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 31, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
No matter what our selection,
I think we’ll end up with a solid player. I don’t see Cho making any Morrison type mistakes.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 31, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
Lol actually im only a NBA and NFL fan, only 2sports I watch. And im only a draft freak in rebuilding years. Dont worry, when next NFL season rolls around ill be talking about playoffs and our seeding non stop.
by PantherTrain on Dec 31, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
I’m kind of like you. LOL
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by gunnin' gervin on Dec 31, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
Oh and another question about the draft.. Im confused about how the NBA draft works.. So basicially the 3 teams with the worst schedule have a drawing or lottery between those 3 teams to determine which team picks in the top 3 order? So lets say we have the worst record this season, we are guaranteed atleast a top 3 pick right?
I think worst team is guaranteed the 4th pick...
At worst. Spots 1-3 are drawn and all the teams slotted 1-14 have balls in the race for those 3. Technically, those first 3 picks could go to teams outside the top 4 slots. Then projected #1 falls to #4. I believe??
by mives36 on Dec 31, 2011 3:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Every team that doesn't make the playoffs is put into a lottery
It is weighted so that the worst team has the highest chance to get the number one pick, and the best non-playoff team is the least likely to get the top pick. The lottery is only held for the first three picks, with the final standings being inverted for the remaining picks (like in the NFL). If we finish as the worst team in the league, we’re guaranteed a top 4 pick.
Wikipedia lays it out very nicely here
Oh i see, thanks! The only thing that bugs me about the process is teams that are already decent have a chance for the 1st pick even though they dont deserve it, isnt that what happened to the Bulls when they drafted Rose? They didnt deserve the 1st pick but got it anyway
by PantherTrain on Dec 31, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
Or the Cavs ending up with picks #1 and #4 this last draft.
Can you imagine having picks #1 AND #4 in THIS draft!! Oh my goodness…..
And that's what opens up the doors
for conspiracy theories and all type of other ish. If the league really cared about competitive balance, than they should do away with the lottery. If teams are tanking, that means they are bad to begin with and need help anyway.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 31, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
The fact that the lottery drawing is done behind closed doors
Opens them up even more to conspiracy theories. The fact that the year LeBron leaves Cleveland they end up getting two top 5 picks is suspicious (Especially considering the fact that I predicted it would happen before it did). And yes PT, the Bulls were not really anywhere close to the bottom of the league and they got Rose. They had a 1.7% chance of winning the lottery. And it really could be the League trying to get Chicago it’s next superstar to put them back on the map like in the Jordan days.
I’m not saying it’s true, but it seems like the League may have motivation to rig the drawing every now and then.
Yea its ridicoulos! Which leads me to my next question, how does a team get 2 draft picks to begin with? Is it only because of trades? And yes the lottery system needs to be done away with. It needs to be like the NFL, how can you explain that Lebron was a Cleveland native and the Cavs happened to get the 1st pick that year.. Or how Rose was a chicago native and the Buls happened to get the 1st pick that year? I dont trust Howard Stern as far ax I can throw him.
by PantherTrain on Dec 31, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
Lol.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 31, 2011 9:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't trust Stern either
And the Cavs acquired the Clippers 1st rounder in a trade, and that pick was the one that won the lottery for the #1 pick. Their actual pick was the number 4 pick.
I like this Bobcats team. We are going to win plenty of games this year.
I hate playing Orlando. We have never matched up well against them.
The early part of the season will be difficult when we play teams that are essentially playing the same players as last season. With so many new players and with very little off season preparation it is hard to match up with with established teams.
Mullens (and cash) was a steal for a 2nd round pick.
If he doesn't...
NJ won’t win more than 5 games….and might average under 65 pts per night!! Good lord does this team struggle to score! Brooks fits their need perfectly this season! He is proving….if u need points…look no further!
I’m interested to see if he continues his pace….I think he slows. We will see, but a grand start, no doubt!
The awfulness of the Nets
Is going to be a problem for him. He is certainly playing well though.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 31, 2011 9:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Bc in most cases
the best rookie is on a terrible (lottery) team…In this casehe just so happened to be picked later than expected
I agree.
But you at least have to look like a leader of that bad team. Not just another role player. Norris Cole would get way more votes than him at this point. Not because he has performed better, but because of the exposure.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 1, 2012 8:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Do fans get to vote?
I hope not. Anyway…the Norris Cole train will stop soon. He’s ok. He’s not better than Kemba or Kyrie. Irving has clearly better stats than both Kemba and Cole. Who are about even with Kemba edging him. Its no way that Cole can win
I agree.
I’m not sure if the fans get a vote, but I hope not because ESPN and fans around the world have already gone as far as to suggest Cole is the “4th Heattle” based off of one good game. Idiots I say.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 1, 2012 12:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I heard Kemba in a song today
I was listening to 102.1 and the only part of the song I remeber is this
“like Kemba Im MVP”
It was awsome I got to the song midway so i dont know what the name was
Don't we get the pick from the Wallace trade this year? Or which pick do we get? I think we have 2
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by T-TIME, I MEAN DUNK TIME on Jan 1, 2012 2:31 AM EST reply actions
I thought it was this year
Because last year was the Hornet’s pick. But nbadraft.net doesn’t show it.
Found it...
conditional 2013.
Unreported
Probably some type of lottery protection.
I found this in regards to our second pick from the Wallace trade when the trade was made
amd saved it into my list of draft credits and debts re the Bobcats
- 2013 first round draft pick (top 12 protected in 2013, top 12 protected in 2014, top 12 protected in 2015, unprotected in 2016) from Portland. ? Portland Pick conditions are a bit sketchy but this was reported Blazersedge.com
Geelong Cats for Premiers 2011 (Completed)
Rich Cho - lead us to the promised land (In Process)
Can we just give that one to Chicago for the pick we owe for Thomas???
That way we can keep our pick without the Chicago deal looming over us?
This is how I roll, animal print pants out control.
No we can't do that ..
the trade is for our pick from the year they get it, not “one” of our first round picks that we may or may not have in that year.
I suppose we could complete a seperate trade of first round draft picks (trade the Porltand First Rounder for ours back) but there is no way that Chicago is going to give up the earlier pick for a later one (assuming Portland is still a better team than us when Chicago gets their pick).
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