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The Charlotte Bobcats Fall to the Miami Heat in Exciting, Encouraging 96-95 Loss

That was fun, wasn't it? The Bobcats ultimately came up short Wednesday night, losing a nail-biter 96-95 to the reigning Eastern Conference Champions, the Miami Heat, but displayed a clear quantity of talent, effort, and potential along the way. After the break, let's talk more about one of the most exciting Bobcats' games I've ever seen.

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A Quick Summary and General Thoughts

The Bobcats started this game as well as one could imagine. The offense was in rhythm, the defensive movement was great, and the Bobcats jumped out to a quick lead against a somewhat tired Miami Heat. The Bobcats' lead stalled late in the first half, but they closed fairly well and impressed throughout.

The Heat inevitably closed the gap as the game continued and brought it to a near close and eventual small lead through the third and fourth quarters, but the Bobcats did an admirable job of maintaining composure and effort while facing the adversity of a much better team. After a bizarre play in which LeBron dunked the ball over a chasing Gerald Henderson, only to lose the basket due to the ball bouncing off of Henderson's head (at the time, it looked like he had simply missed the dunk off the back of the rim), the Heat held a four-point lead for the majority of the last few minutes.

The Bobcats were not easily discouraged, however, and they closed the gap to within two points on a Henderson layup with more than 30 seconds remaining. The Bobcats rose to the occasion on help defense during the following possession, and Dwyane Wade passed the ball out of bounds. With less than 20 seconds remaining, the Bobcats had a chance to tie or win the game. Paul Silas drew up a great play, though a quick one, and Boris Diaw found a wide open Gerald Henderson for the go-ahead three. Unfortunately, the Heat remain a nearly unstoppable team, and Dwyane Wade made a game-winning bank shot with less than four seconds left, despite strong defense from the Bobcats and Henderson. The Bobcats final possession fell just short, as D.J. Augustin pulled up for a difficult three and D.J. White barely missed a long tip-in as time expired.

Despite the loss, I liked what the Bobcats did on the final defensive possession. Henderson is a terrific defender, and he bothered Wade all game (Wade finished 5-13 for only 10 points in 32 minutes). Wade made the shot, but it was a look and matchup the Bobcats can live with. Beyond that, I was encouraged by the Bobcats' performance as a whole. The team played with energy all night, and the crowd, reportedly the largest in Bobcats' history, matched the team's energy. Most of all, I was enthused by how well the Bobcats complemented each other, despite the slew of inevitable turnovers as the game continued against a great defense. An encouraging game from a young team, I'd say.

Player Grades

Corey Maggette: The majority of Bobcats' players played well Wednesday night, but Maggette certainly wasn't included in that group. 1-10 FG and six points in 30 minutes, along with poor defense on LeBron James, isn't what the Bobcats needed from Maggette. Grade: D

D.J. Augustin: Augustin had another good game, scoring 20 (including a surprising 3-6 3PT line) and adding six assists. The normally turnover-conscious Augustin had five turnovers, detracting from an otherwise stellar offensive performance. In any case, performances like this indicate Augustin's continued improvement. Grade: B+

Boris Diaw: When did Boris Diaw become an everyday triple-double threat? Diaw provided 16 points and 16 rebounds (!!!) to go along with eight assists. Like several of the Bobcats, Diaw was bit by the turnover bug tonight, but was otherwise fantastic. This is a contract year for Diaw, in case you were wondering. Grade: A-

Gerald Henderson: Of all the strong Bobcats' performances tonight, none were better than that of Gerald Henderson. His shot looked terrific (21 points on 10-19 FG), his defense was smothering, and he made two critical shots in the final minute. The only blemish on his game, as was the case with many other Bobcats, could be found in his four turnovers (though he also had four assists). As RoF's own Ben Swanson noted on Twitter, Henderson has made two threes this season after making seven all of last season. The future looks bright for Henderson, and by association, the Bobcats, if he keeps improving and playing like he has early on in the season. Grade: A

D.J. White: D.J. White isn't a particularly skilled player, but he provides consistent effort and rebounding. That's the player he was for the Bobcats tonight, and that's the player I expect he'll continue to be. Eight points, 11 rebounds, and three blocks (along with competent defense) in 35 minutes? Well done, D.J. White. Well done. Grade: B+

Kemba Walker: There were a few times Wednesday night where I felt like Walker could pull up for any shot and swish it effortlessly. We've heard all the stories about his scoring potential, and I'm pretty convinced they're true. 14 points on 6-9 shooting in only 20 minutes is a rookie performance to get excited about. Kemba isn't a perfect distributor yet (three assists to three turnovers), but the ability is clearly there. Grade: A-

Bismack Biyombo: Biyombo played well tonight, especially in comparison to his relatively unimpressive debut. I don't know about you, but both of his two-handed blocks tonight sent me jumping into the air. His rebounding was also impressive (four rebounds in only 13 minutes), and he even made his sole field goal attempt with a nice move. Additionally, he avoided fouling at a ridiculous rate. Let's not rush to judgment with Biyombo, negative or positive, any time soon. He's still learning. It'll be fun to watch him grow as a player. Grade: B+

Byron Mullens: Mullens continued to impress and show his shooting ability, providing six points and two rebounds in only nine minutes. Mullens is proving himself to be a strong rotational player. Grade: B+

Derrick Brown: There isn't much to say, other than to mention he missed all four of his shots. Grade: C

Matt Carroll: Carroll didn't play much, but he did acceptably in eight minutes. Grade: B-

As is readily apparent, I was impressed with the Bobcats' effort tonight. It was a loss, but an incredibly fun loss. When you're rebuilding like the Bobcats are, the primary goal is to be entertaining and entice fans with young, growing, and impressive talent. The Bobcats did that much, at least for one night, against one of the league's best teams.

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Good game

The Bobcats realy remind me of the Panthers, they’re hanging in there with teams “their not supposed to”.. It’s gonna be a great season and fans just have to remember we’re going through a rebuilding year

by rscott94 on Dec 29, 2011 12:00 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

not only is he getting it done - he's loving every minute of it

you can see he loves the game and plays with a lot of passion. absolutely LOVE to see this.

Boone Logan is a good boy. So is David Robertson. Team A.J.

by goyanks69 on Dec 29, 2011 12:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I like the grades...

I thought Maggs did C+/B- defense on Bron. But the rest of his game was F quality, so a D overall sounds right.

DJ White had TERRIBLE help D in the last 5 min that allowed several easy dunks and lay-ins. I was disappointed by that.

Want to see more Kemba minutes.

And thought that last shot by DJ was poor and too “Capt Jack”esque.

All around pumped about the team.

by mives36 on Dec 29, 2011 12:24 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

At least a pump fake

One dribble in and a shot. Plenty of time to do more than throw it up.

by drapht00 on Dec 29, 2011 12:28 AM EST up reply actions  

yup

Boone Logan is a good boy. So is David Robertson. Team A.J.

by goyanks69 on Dec 29, 2011 12:31 AM EST up reply actions  

He'll see it on the game tapes

its just the second game and in DJ’s defense he’s just starting to get his confidence. So he may get overzealous at times this season. And in a game where we had a huge lead on the MIAMI HEAT, I can see why we made the type of mistakes we did.

by focuslja on Dec 29, 2011 12:37 AM EST up reply actions  

He also had LeBron playing on him who is a bloody good defender

he probably just rushed the shot before getting fully squared up with the basket.

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by Warmec on Dec 29, 2011 7:36 AM EST up reply actions  

though i certainly respect hendo's defense

i think they should’ve brought the help defense on dwade as soon as he drove. i’d rather leave a role player open for an outside shot than let dwade have isolation for the heat’s last possession.

Boone Logan is a good boy. So is David Robertson. Team A.J.

by goyanks69 on Dec 29, 2011 12:32 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah that was very puzzling

Hendo defended really well. But seriously, who want’s to let the game be decidedon a 5 foot jumper by Wade, LeBron or Bosh… Regardless of how well it’s defended? I’d much rather force a kick out and take my chances on an outside shot.

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by southtunnel on Dec 29, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Does anyone think

its time to see what Baby Higgs can do in minutes behind Hendo? Im sure he can be more effective than Carroll (who isnt bad but isnt really mobile OR athletic OR a good ballhandler OR that good from 3 anymore OR…) you guys get what Im saying right?

by focuslja on Dec 29, 2011 12:39 AM EST reply actions  

I like him as much as the next guy…but…every time he goes in the game his opponent has a complete mismatch. Now that he is unable to make an open jumper, he is borderline worthless. I’m open to anything until Reggie comes back.

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by FirstCat on Dec 29, 2011 12:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Sure. I'm down

I’d actually prefer anything that gets Kemba more than 20 min (DJ, Kemba sets) as a “backup SG” option… but Carroll seems outclassed. I’d rather check out Higgins.

I won’t completely give up on Matty. He’s good at what he does (occasionally get hot and drill shots) but the rest of his game looks to be a liability at most times. Will wait….

by mives36 on Dec 29, 2011 12:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah...if Carroll isn't nailing open looks...yikes

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Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for DPOY!

by Newsinz on Dec 29, 2011 12:54 AM EST up reply actions  

He hardly knocks those down now

and I was thinkin that maybe the Cats were gonna make a move to get a little scoring off the bench behind Hendo until Williams got back. Plus if Maggs struggles (like tonite) I just cant see D. Brown making up even a little of the workload. Plus Hendo will get tired eventually bc he’s playing heavy minutes with no reasonable backup and so is Maggette. At least until Williams gets back…

Elijah Milsap Cho? Young, explosive, rebounds well, shoots well and Im sure we could throw a few of those 10-day contract things at him…

by focuslja on Dec 29, 2011 1:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Carroll hit 1 of 2 last night

He can be an effective bench scorer when given the minutes, but I completely agree that we should be giving those minutes to younger players.

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 9:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Given the goals for the season

Yes, on principle alone we should be giving young guys a chance to play in favor of veterans who’ve long since hit their ceiling.

Biyombo and Mullen both looked like they’re capable of doing big things with enough minutes, so I say we play them ahead of Diop. They’re going to need this season to learn and grow.

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 9:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Boris...

… got lots of triple-doubles in his time with Phoenix. With Nash and run-n-gun.

Now Silas wants him to be the team’s focal point, fixing and passing and (omigod!) shooting. He’s playing inside, so he’s more present for boards.

Let’s hope he stays focused!

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by Bob Nelson on Dec 29, 2011 1:07 AM EST reply actions  

I had to go back and look at Maggette's stats from years past.

I’ve never noticed him in the league until we acquired him in the offseason. And after hearing about how much of a scorer he was/is, I became slightly optimistic. Welllll…I know it’s only been two games, but all I’ve seen is Diet Jack, on one of his bad shooting nights, except without the attitude.

Love Walker’s confidence. I know their physical stature is miles apart, but he reminds me alot of Cam, especially with that “I-can’t-believe-I’m-getting-paid-to-do-this” beaming smile of his.

Biyombo will be a BEAST in the defense paint by the end of January. Just throwing that out there.

Mullens needs more minutes. Something tells me he’s got some decent big man defense to go along with that sick range of his.

I really like DJ White, but I was disappointed not to see some of Diop’s ever improving defense get a chance to help stop the bleeding in the 3rd quarter.

Speaking of the 3rd, it was so. Damn. Sloppy. I almost gave myself whiplash shaking my head at how careless our guys were slinging the rock out there. The positive I took from the 3rd is that is how the basketball universe expected all four of our quarters to go against the Heat.

Looking ahead to Orlando. Yeah, of course, Howard is a mismatch for pretty much any other center in the league. But after him…do you really fear any of their starters, especially after what we faced tonight?

It will very interesting to see how many other teams in the league play Miami so close…including us this Sunday!

Newton for '11 ROY! (Update: Etch it in stone)
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for DPOY!

by Newsinz on Dec 29, 2011 1:21 AM EST reply actions  

The 3rd was awful but....

The Heat are one of the best defensive teams in the league. Even without Wade. LeBron is that long and quick. Some of it was pure carelessness and lots of over passing. But these guys wreak havoc on most of the league on that side of the court. Couple that with everyone predicting the Bobcats to struggle to get to 80 IF Maggs could get 20+ and I’m ok with it. Not happy, ok.

by drapht00 on Dec 29, 2011 2:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow didn't expect this one to go down to the last second at all!

Great game ‘Cats! No matter how you shake it, this is a positive look from our team. Deej’s play is starting to cement in my mind the idea that unless we get a nice package in a trade (relatively speaking of course), we should hang onto him. Even if Kemba can build off what he did tonight. Glad to see Bismack get on the stat sheet after his oh-fer the other night. Leave it to Diaw to play hard in his contract year. And last, but certainly not least, Hendo!! Stfling D on Wade for 99% of the game. Can’t contain Wade for a whole game though.

I need somewhere to watch these games online guys. Help prease?

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by KaiserBromley on Dec 29, 2011 2:00 AM EST reply actions  

That last play was great D too

Just a better shot. Stop on a dime, spin-back fall away off one foot… Not many guys in the league can hit that shot. Couldn’t have played it better.

by drapht00 on Dec 29, 2011 2:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Yup. Can't hope to stop him, only contain him.

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by KaiserBromley on Dec 29, 2011 2:05 AM EST up reply actions  

We could have brought help for Hendo and force him to kick it out.

I thought that was basketball 101… force an outside shot.

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by southtunnel on Dec 29, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely should bring help

But for pure 1 on 1 D, that was as good as it gets.

by drapht00 on Dec 29, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course. Just talkin' bout Hendo on the play.

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by KaiserBromley on Dec 30, 2011 3:21 AM EST up reply actions  

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by StudMuffin15 on Dec 29, 2011 2:04 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Is that one working now?

I’ve switched to another site because the atdhe’s have been kind of unreliable.

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 9:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Gracias

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by KaiserBromley on Dec 29, 2011 2:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Search for "First Row Sports" next time you need a link

As the great Billy Dee Williams once said, “it works every time.”

Newton for '11 ROY! (Update: Etch it in stone)
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for DPOY!

by Newsinz on Dec 29, 2011 2:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Slightly OT: The similarities between Cam and Kemba are striking

Both were unstoppable forces in college that carried their team through the toughest conference in their respective sports to win a national title, yet had question marks surrounding their abilities to make the transition into the pro game. Both are proving all of their doubters and naysayers wrong and it looks like we’re witnessing a couple of stars in the making. They both have an infectious smile and look like kids genuinely having fun playing the game. They both have that “it” factor to them.

The future of Charlotte sports looks bright with Cam Newton and Kemba Walker leading the way.

by JDeLong42 on Dec 29, 2011 3:23 AM EST reply actions  

Both wear #1 as well.

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by EastCoastA on Dec 29, 2011 8:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Cam is great. He has MVP potential in his future.

I think without a doubt Kemba’s going to be very good. But the verdict’s still out on whether or not he can be “great”.

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by southtunnel on Dec 29, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

3 guard rotaion was strong tonight

and DJW and Diaw did a good deal of the heavy liftng in the front court with good help from Mullens and BB.

SF looked to be the weak link in the team. DBrown was okay but again looked like all he could do was try and dunk (and he kept getting blocked doing it) without much other impact (he defense was adequate but not outstanding). Cory was the same – didn’t look all that involved with the offense, took a few shots when I would have liked to see the ball moved on. His defense wasn’t bad at all but kept fouling which meant he was in and out of the game all the time – may have affected his offensive flow.

Obviously the 3rd quarter was horrible but can’t knock the effort at all.
Bring on the Magic.

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by Warmec on Dec 29, 2011 7:45 AM EST reply actions  

I expect DBrown's roll to get phased out eventually

I think this is why we stuck with him instead of persuing Daunte Cunningham. When Reggie Williams is healthy he’ll need minutes, and we’ll also have to go small often to maximize Kemba and DJ’s contributions. Splitting time between our PF’s will be tough too IF Biyombo improves and wins more minutes. Eventually there just won’t be much room for Brown.

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by southtunnel on Dec 29, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

LIVE STREAMINGS

The Bobcats have kind of always played center by committee. Watched this game live streaming on this site www.mynbatv.com and is actually verry good, they have been streaming every game…

by ipassos on Dec 29, 2011 7:49 AM EST reply actions  

Maybe Cam Newton has rubbed off on me

But I’m about ready to say f*** next time, we shouldve beat them this time. And resigning Diaw may be in our absolute best interest. He has has several moments where he has looked lazy and is still damn near averaging a triple double. That’s why we criticize him such. Dude could really be elite if he wanted to.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 8:45 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

And when Hendo

Hit that three. I swear to you all I almost felt my head explode. Now that it’s obvious he has made the progress we all expected over the lockout, I just see absolutely no way we compete for the worst record. Last night was no fluke my friends. It was just your average case of a decent young team playing a great team and breaking down at the end. Kembas game will work in the NBA. Absolutely no more questions in my mind. And he will be an all star. Bismack is still a deer in the headlights and is still good enough to be a role player based off his athleticism alone. Mullens was a great find. And we didn’t even have Tyrus or Williams. Playoffs are not out the question. I said it.

I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 8:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I agree, some of these guys are more ready than expected.

The Heat anouncer last night actually made the comment that Hendo is “known for his shooting.”

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Lol. Damn.

Well most of us on the site recognized he had the potential for a deadly mid range game based on how he did last year. Once he gets that three going, I don’t see why he couldn’t be considered one of the best young SGs in the eastern conference. Who would his competition be outside of Derozan or Young?

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 9:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I would say he has potential to be better than both Young and Derozan

I got my home town blinders on, but I know both those guys as pure scorers who don’t do much else. Hendo’s a plud defender who seems willing and capable with rebounds as well.

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 9:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Right on C.Bobcat!!

I think we can get in once we get R.Williams in the game and the players get used to each other as the season progresses…

by jah p on Dec 29, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Me? I get it in.

I get it in. Me? I get it in. I get it in. (In my 50 Cent voice)

I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont know about resigning Diaw

I mean lets face it do you guys really think he would be playing like this if it wasnt a contract year? Maybe if it is a cheap contract but im sure if he keeps having a year like this then he will demand more. The dude just doesnt have the drive to be great all he cares about is the money.

by TS BOBCAT on Dec 29, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

It's hard to tell

if it’s because of the money or because he is the focal point of the offense being that Center/Guard. That’s devastating for teams to keep up with. I think if we leave the offense as it is, then there is no reason he should slow down other than gaining more weight. He is putting up these monster stats and is still playing OUT OF SHAPE and not to his full potential. We all know to give up on the full potential, but if he’s doing this around the deadline, unless a mid to high first round pick comes along, we should let him expire and try to resign him.

I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I was actually thinking

based on how DJ and Diaw are playing, why don’t we trade both for mid-late 1st rounders, then bundle up those two picks and get another lottery pick? Jordan’s a gambler, so do it before the lottery is done. That’ll give us two chances to win top 3 picks.

Yes, Diaw may be playing out of his mind right now, but let’s not forget this is a small sample size. If he keeps it up until the trade deadline, then I’ll be convinced — and his value will be at its peak. Ditto for DJ.

by Tim Rudisill on Dec 29, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

The problem with this kind of thinking...

You’re smart enough to realize that Diaw has only shown it for two games and he could easily go back to being “lazy Boris” any second. So what makes you think that GMs on other teams aren’t thinking the same thing?

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly -

that’s why I said “by the trade deadline.”

by Tim Rudisill on Dec 29, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

For some reason I thought you said trade them right now

My bad homey.

If we trade them at the deadline, it’s because our record is garbage anyway. I don’t see either getting traded if we’re contending for the playoffs, which is possible if they keep this up.

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

That would be ideal,

but if they are playing this way up until the deadline, I see no reason to trade either. I mean, they have been damn near all-star caliber thus far.

I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

That's what I'm hoping for.

And not only that, but we have Portland’s first round pick too.

by Panthers FTW on Dec 29, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that comes in 2013.

I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Or did you mean as packaging it for a trade?

Either way, I’m VERY interested in putting these picks together for a great pick. I just don’t think collecting late first round picks to keep adding players to the rotation will get us very far.

I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

We got their pick last year, right?

I seem to remember a rule that you can’t trade your 1st round picks two years in a row, which would confirm the pick comes in 2013.

The only reason I remember this is because I remember people saying that this was a rule put into place to save MJ from himself. hehe.

by Tim Rudisill on Dec 29, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol. I think I remember that same exact comment.

I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Doesn't mean we can't package it together for something else.

I’m just saying if we were to get a first round pick for both Boris and DJ, we’d have 3 first round picks including our own. That’d be tremendous.

by Panthers FTW on Dec 29, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

If Biyombo improves into the player we think he can be, we'll be overloaded at PF

Let’s face it… Diaw is not anyone’s long-term starting center. And I think (I hope) DJ White is carving out a spot for himself long-term (even more so than T-Time). It appears Diaw is just filling a role while we get young guys up to speed.

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by southtunnel on Dec 29, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

DJ White should be a long term option as our roleplayer at PF.

He doesn’t do anything exceptionally well, but he plays his role well and I think a three year deal to come off the bench would be a good thing to do for our team. I don’t think he’ll ever develop into anything spectacular, but that’s not what we’re trying to get him to do.

by Panthers FTW on Dec 29, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

100%.

White is a PERFECT NBA role player. He just gets the job done. It’s why I was raving over him when we picked him up at the deadline last year (to the disgust of some). The dude will never have a flashy game, but if you need a bucket, a rebound, or a block, he’s one of those guys you can count on to get it for you.

I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Lmao.

You ain’t kiddin. He got dunked on hard a few times last night. Lol.

I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't anticipate

any of our PF’s being able to do all the things Diaw does.

I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

And Diaw can't do many things the ideal PF's can do

That’s the problem

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by southtunnel on Dec 29, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

That's what we have TT for.

Although I appear to be the only one who believes in him at this point.

by Panthers FTW on Dec 29, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I am with you with T-Time.

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by T-TIME, I MEAN DUNK TIME on Dec 29, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe in Tyrus

He’s always performed well in the minutes that he gets, but it’s starting to look like there won’t be a place for him on this team when he returns.

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I can see him being a longterm option at PF once Diaw is gone.

DJ White is our starting PF right now, I feel like Tyrus could fit in quite well if we can beat into him “LONG JUMPERS WITH 20 SECONDS ON SHOT CLOCK IS BAD.”

by Panthers FTW on Dec 29, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea he's got a little bit of Josh Smith in him

The problem is that Thomas still takes him. We need to do some pavlovian conditioning, maybe give him an electric shot every time he shoots the ball outside of 10 feet.

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Now that's an idea.

Someone needs to email this to Silas asap.

by Panthers FTW on Dec 29, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I still got faith in Tyrus.

But it’s waning.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

So Diaw is going to be a long-term backup to Thomas???

not a chance

This is how I roll, animal print pants out control.

by southtunnel on Dec 29, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Whoawhoa.

I’m just saying. If you haven’t noticed, I’m certainly not advocating we keep Diaw.

by Panthers FTW on Dec 29, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

What can't Boris do?

Other than blocking shots, there isn’t one glaring weakness to his game.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm supporting Boris as much as anyone

But the prolem in the past hasn’t been what he can’t do, it’s what he won’t do on a regular basis. He’s rebounding if ferocity right now, but people are right to be skeptical of how long it will last.

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

His rebounding has for years been incredibly below average. Just because he’s been great for two games, we’ve had plenty of evidence to the contrary.

by Panthers FTW on Dec 29, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I've combatted that statement

several times by saying that I believe it’s because he is the focal point of the offense now. Think about how it was when Crash or Jax was here. Boris was mostly standing around waiting for an open shot. Look at him now. Your belief is money is his motivation, mine is that coaching is his motivation. I don’t see Boris suddenly falling off with Silas in charge. And if he does fall off, it won’t be to the point of everyone yelling trade Boris.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds good.

I guess it’s just a matter of opinion. As we stand, we can all agree with a young, volatile team like this we just have to wait and see.

by Panthers FTW on Dec 29, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I of course agree with CB here, as I've stated the same sentiment previously

I’d like to point out though, that it’s still and iffy propisition to expect Diaw to play like this for the next 2-3 years. It seems to me that team chemistry has to be just right for Boris to excel, and something could easily throw him off course. As long as his role as a catalyst on the offensive end, and a rebounder is not being filled by another, I expect him to play hard. But Boris seems perfectly happy to take a back seat if another player begins to step up.

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah.

My only problem is instead of taking a back seat to another player stepping up, he tends to lock himself in the trunk. I really think that if a team chose to build around Boris when he was young, he could’ve potentially been a hall of famer. He’s just that good in my eyes. But just that unmotivated.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol. We all just want what's best for the team.

We’re talking about what could happen months down the line anyway. Forgive me for being so pro-Boris today. Maybe I’m just caught up in the short term and not thinking about the greater good at the moment. But after Boris’ last two games, how could you blame me? Lol. Let’s see old Boris back before we take the pitchfork to his fat ass again. But speaking of something somewhat similar, has anyonen seen that Chandler has regressed back into his old self? Yeah, Knicks ain’t winning the title.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I certainly have noticed that.

He also finally got paid and it’s no longer his contract year. See where I’m going with this?

by Panthers FTW on Dec 29, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol. I know.

But I’ve seen this from Boris before and the only constant variable in the times that he’s performed like this has been he has had more of a role in the offense. I’ve seen it on contract years, and non contract years. That’s why I don’t think it’s the money with him.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Always has been,

always will be.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Word.

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Me, Bitches!

by Vuduchild on Dec 29, 2011 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Diaw is sucking you in like he's trying to sucker in potential GMs.

We’ve seen how he plays in non-contract seasons. Don’t let him pull you in.

by Panthers FTW on Dec 29, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think money is his primary motivation.

He always seems to thrive on teams where he can be the focal point on offense. With Crash and Jax being gone, the ball is going through his hands a lot more and he is making good plays with it.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

He still doesn't fit in with our future plans.

We don’t need him, and I’ve seen him play too lazily too many times to have any interest on giving him another contract. You may be right, but I’m not willing to take that chance.

by Panthers FTW on Dec 29, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Our future plans are to be as competitive as possible.

I don’t think you give up a triple double machine just because he’s a few years older. It all depends on the package we get back for Diaw. But for me, it’s either trade him for a great package or sign him to an extension. Letting him walk is not an option.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

What kidn of extension though?

I love what I’m seeing out of Diaw right now, but he can easily go back to his former self.

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Anything resonable.

1-3 years, 6 million or under.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

He can regress and still earn it.

As long as he’s putting up 12,8,7, I think he’s worth it. We’ll have plenty of cap room and we should lock our own up under reasonable salaries before looking to jump into the free agent market.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Well we're splitting hairs here

but I would think 12-8-7 averages would be his current level. Even playing great ball he’s not going to get 16 boards every night.

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Lol.

Well I thought you were saying his current level as in the way he’s been playing the past 2 games. If he can keep that up, he still can make it into the hall of fame.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

At 6 mil a year, he'll be taking a 33% pay-cut... can't see him taking that if he continues to play like this.

We could lose him in FA and get nothing in return, that’s why I say we take the 1st rounder, if offered.

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by Vuduchild on Dec 29, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

If he continues playing like this,

I don’t see why we wouldn’t want to try to retain him.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

If our players keep playing like this, I’d rather keep experienced, matured, and suprisingly good starters than trade for draft picks and prospective players that might not turn out to be anything at all.

If we keep playing like this, then we actually aren’t far off from being a good team. Add a solid guy in the 2012 draft, 2 studs in 2013 and we can be a legitimate contending playoff team year in and year out.

Enough with trading for picks. Keep the players we have. And build around them.

by jkp1516 on Dec 29, 2011 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

The core that we're hoping

can turn into contenders is already here. Cho is doing a good job of filling out the roster with servicable players. Ultimately, it’ll probably take a star to push us over the top but getting rid of Diaw only moves us closer to that goal because it’s basically tanking. I think the city deserves better. You’ve positioned the team already to “suck”. If they exceed expectations by a lot, don’t take away from them just because the plan to get worse didn’t work out as well as expected.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed.

I think Cho has done an admirable job of adding players who fit us, while wisely managing our cap and draft selections.

I wasn’t a fan of the trade for Mullens, but so far I’ve been very impressed. We still have to see Reggie Williams and Cory Higgins, but so far it looks like Cho knows his stuff!

I think a lot of the credit should be focused towards Silas however. He’s also an integral peice of this team, and why it has been outperforming expectations. Unlike some coaches in the past, he’s designed the team around our talents. He utilizes Diaw’s dizzying array of talents, Mullens and Biyombo’s specialties, and the talents of Hendo, Kemba, and DJ into an odd, but yet efficient and successful team.

by jkp1516 on Dec 29, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely.

Silas knows how to get the best out of young guys because he’s a people person. There’s no complicated triangle offense here or anything crazy. Just a coach who says work the ball around and if it ends up in your hands and you’re open, shoot the ball. The game plan on offense added with a heavy focus on defense will be enough for us to surprise a lot of people this year.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

As others have said, Diaw's at his best when he's the focus of the offense.

That means we’ve reached our ceiling with this current group. If we add in a star, Diaw will regress. We won’t actually gain anything.

Don’t get me wrong – I know Diaw is doing amazing right now. But he likely goes back to le lazy Diaw as soon as he no longer needs to be a facilitator.

If Diaw keeps playing as he is now, one of two things will happen.
1) We make the playoffs. This would be terrible for us. We’d lose our first round draft pick, then likely lose Diaw during the off-season. We’d basically delay our rebuilding by a year.
2) We barely miss the playoffs. Our chance of winning the lottery is crap, we miss out on a possible franchise player.

If we managed to keep Diaw? Then what? His sudden burst of awesomeness is either because it’s a contract year or he’s the focal point. Next year certainly won’t be a contract year for him. Or, if we managed to get in someone else, he’ll lose the focal point. Either way, he (and we) regress.

I really think the best thing we can do is wait for his trade value to go up, then trade him away for the best 1st round pick we can get. The beauty of this? The team that would be willing to trade for him is one that’s desperate to make a push. Le Diaw would not be the focal point any more, so he’d regress. They wouldn’t actually get much, so they won’t improve much (if any). Therefore, the draft pick we get from them would actually be pretty good. :-D (I’m sure there’s some flawed logic in here somewhere.)

by Tim Rudisill on Dec 29, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

If the draft is so valuable

as you guys seem to make it, do you actually think teams will trade a first round pick for Diaw? i doubt it. I wouldve said Denver or Cleveland since they have more than one but if you look at if from that perspective, then you have to look at the fact that Al Harrington is doing extremely well. I say we keep Diaw til the season is over. Let him walk or keep him. Our reward is 9mil on capspace or a great experience facilitator

by focuslja on Dec 29, 2011 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, I think they would.

There are times when now is more important than later. If you think you are one piece away from competing for a championship this year, it is worth it to make a push. Or, to put it another way: would you give up a 1st round pick for a championship? I imagine every team out there would.

by Tim Rudisill on Dec 29, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Define "great package."

Because when you have to be realistic about your expectations for a player like Diaw.

by Panthers FTW on Dec 29, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Great package=

Lottery to mid 1st round pick + Expiring similar contract

or

Two good young role players on rookie deals that = Boris (not gonna happen).

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

And by that second option,

I mean a package similar to the Rudy Fernandez/Corey Brewer type package. Young players still locked in for a couple of years on small salaries that can potentially be impact players. Anything less and I’d rather resign Boris or even just let him walk.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I have to agree

Boris is going to be desirable to contending teams looking to get over the edge. Non-playoff teams aren’t going to waste a first rounder on a half season rental

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Any team on the edge of the playoffs

and looking for that short boost to get in so it’s either a late lottery pick or something around 18 or higher. If not, then we aren’t managing that asset wiseley and are just trading him for the hell of it. I would rather resign him under those circumstances. One thing about the draft you gotta remember, everyone is drafting. Just as much as we will be infused with talent, other teams will be. I don’t think trading a proven player like Boris for the 26th pick or something is a good swap.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it comes down to what kind of record we have at the deadline

If we’re well out of the playoffs by that point, then trading him for a late first rounder is getting something for nothing at the end of the season. If he’s a key part of a playoff push, then I say we hold on to him.

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely.

Everything is wait and see. If we go on a 8 game losing streak, then we may as well trade him now. If the team is playing consistent and growing every week and challenging for a playoff spot, and Boris is still doing anything close to what he is doing now, I don’t see an issue in resigning the man.

I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh man, I don't care how good he's playing right now.

Don’t let a small sample size cloud your vision. Compare his previous time here with these 2 games. Which one is most likely to be correct? Yes, yes, this team is much different which results in different variables. Still — even as amazing as he has played recently, let’s not get carried away. (But let’s hope other GMs are taking notice and getting carried away.)

by Tim Rudisill on Dec 29, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

I’m only halfway through the page (260ish new comments) and I’m realizing that now. It looks like everything I posted up here, you have already posted. Oops.

Personally, I’m of the mind that we get rid of him no matter what. Why? 2 reasons:
1) I’m worried about him regressing. If he does, he won’t be worth the $6m a year.
2) If he doesn’t regress, then we aren’t going to get him for $6m a year. Another team will sign him for a lot more, then we won’t get anything for him.

Both ways, we lose. At least if we trade him for a pick, we get something.

by Tim Rudisill on Dec 29, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Someone has to offer a pick first,

and it can’t be just any B.S. second round pick for the sake of having one. I want a pick that’ll put us in the position of grabbing a player that can do everything Boris does or have just as large an impact or I would rather just let him walk away at the end for nothing. Something he is providing to this team is the ball movement and the settng up of plays needed to put our young guys in the right position. IMO, half a season of Boris continuing to be a veteran presence for our young guys is worth more than any late round picks.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I basically want to see how much

of this comes down to playing for Silas for him. Ya never know. Maybe it’s the coaching that’s held Boris back from achieving his potential all these years. It’s the same case I make for Henderson all the time so I have no problem making it for Boris. And the reason I feel he can sustain it is because he still looks lazy as hell when he does it. There is nothing that Boris was doing so amazing last night to make me think he can’t do it every night. I was honestly shocked that he ended up with those numbers. I watched the whole game and couldn’t really tell he was making tha tbig of an impact on it.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not like I'm making my whole argument based on 2 games

I admit that I could be way off, but there is far more evidence than 2 games. Look at how Boris played his first half season here, before Jackson (who does a lot of the same things he does and has a more type A personality).

Look at what happened when Amare was out for the year and Phoneix needed him to step up. Then he regressed when he went back to a bench role.

You could say small sample size for this season, but we’re talking about more than this season

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Then he's worth far more than $6m a year

and we’ll lose him for nothing (or overpay) at the end of the year.

by Tim Rudisill on Dec 29, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

I’m not saying lock the guy up long-term. I’m saying enjoy the ride while it lasts. The extra cap space next season will be welcome, and if we could sign him short-term for 6 mil (which is doubtful) he’d be worth it.

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think so.

Teams aren’t going to go out of their way to offer him a monster contract, I can see him getting 8million a year at the very max. If it’s a one or two year deal, we can match that. Anything more with the dollars or years and it’s too much.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Even if another team offers more years

(that we just won’t match), then we’ve been outbid. Unless he’s a part of our long-term plans, I don’t want to see us be outbid and lose out on any assets he could have provided.

by Tim Rudisill on Dec 29, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

It basically comes down for me to

how good the team is playing and how big of a factor he is for us at the deadline weighted against what teams are willing to offer us. Unless someone is willing to give us a late lottery-mid first found pick without us taking on more years of a contract then I’m just not interested in trading him. I realize Boris being an expensive veteran on an expiring contract makes him a wonderful trade candidate, but at the same time, I think a lot of people are forgetting just how good Boris can be. And with no alpha males on the team right now, it’s perfect for him here and I really don’t see that changing next year since that will be our final year of the salary flush.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea, it could go a lot of ways

A lot of variables to consider.

We can really only speculate at this point.

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol. Basically.

Which is why I’m about to stop talking about it. I don’t even know what my opinion on Boris will be next week. My whole line of thinking was centered around him keeping up this recent string of play up until the deadline, which is HIGHLY unlikely anyway making pretty much everything I’ve said moot.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Why not?

Instead of paying a guy like Boris around $6 million for the next 1-3 years (like you suggested) to play for a club that is supposed to be rebuilding, we’ll be getting an asset. If it’s a late first round pick, it’s still better than nothing. And, if we were to trade DJ for a first (hypothetically speaking) we’d have THREE additional first round picks which we could hypothetically swap for other assets or, if not, we’ll have more young, cheap, improving players.

by Panthers FTW on Dec 29, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Once again,

I’d rather have Boris at 6 million for the next 3 years than a late first round that may never have the same kind of success Boris does. At some point, you’re going to have to stop collecting draft picks and start building a team. Having Boris on the team doesn’t hurt your player’s development and as long as the salary is under control, there should be no issue keeping him. I understand the whole youth movement campaign, but it’s not like we’re anti-veteran now.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd rather let him go and give all his minutes to players like Tyrus and Biyombo.

And then try to fill in our other gaps with cheap players we can get through the draft. I understand your point, but as I’ve said, we’ve seen how nonchalant Diaw can be in the past, so are we really willing to pay a guy whose had such an uninspiring past?

by Panthers FTW on Dec 29, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm kind of seeing both sides fo the issue

I don’t see a down side to letting Diaw walk after this season, but 6 million is really reasonable for the kind of production Diaw brings. I’m not even talking about his peak production, just average Boris is worth 6 million.

Either way, I wouldn’t want a contract past 2 seasons. I see Boris most likely cashing in with a team looking to spend more money than us.

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes,

at a 6 million dollar salary. That’s basically a third of superstars are paid and less than what Kwame Brown of all people received so Boris would still be a tradeable asset if he happens to regress that much.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

At 1-2 years, as BR as said above, I suppose it wouldn't be too ludicrous.

You think it isn’t about the money, I do. I see him getting paid more than that in the off-season, so I guess it just comes down to a matter of opinion, which is fine.

(As a sidebar, I’ve really enjoyed the respectful, enlightening debate this afternoon with the two of you.)

by Panthers FTW on Dec 29, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol. Always a pleasure.

And if a team offers him more than that, I’d just let his ass walk like we did Felton and Kwame.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Let's not forget

A mid-to-late 1st rounder could land us Tyler Zeller… A perfect C for an up-tempo team.

All Hail The Camtastic One!!!

Me, Bitches!

by Vuduchild on Dec 29, 2011 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Key word: "COULD"

Let’s not trade Diaw on a speculation 180 something days from the draft on one player being around for a mid to late first rounder. Too many variables and unknowns.

by jkp1516 on Dec 29, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Keeping Diaw only works if the FO is sold on him being one of the "key pieces"

because his price tag is going to be hefty. He’s making 9 mil now and, regardless if he has a decent season or a very good season, is not going to sign for the amount of money we could reasonably pay him, without destroying the cap…pretty much being the same old ’Cats. His worth to us now is the play we get out of him until the deadline, and we we can get for him in a trade. The only other option is letting him walk in FA with no compensation, and that makes no sense at all.

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Me, Bitches!

by Vuduchild on Dec 29, 2011 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

85% of the cap is going to have to be spent anyway.

If Maggette is traded and/or Diop is amnestied, giving Diaw some of that money would be a wise investment IF he keeps this pace up. We got a bunch of guys on rookie deals and minimum level contracts. The money will need to go somewhere.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely, it has to go somewhere.

But we’ve got a nice core right now. I just don’t see Diaw being a valuable player for us in the forthcoming years. So, the trick is building young, then using our salary to keep our young talent while leaving room for free agents.

I’m not sure if it’s possible, but do things like front-load contracts to keep yourself at the 85% with the flexibility to drop down well below if a star wants to come to us. DJ wants 6 million a year? If it’s possible, pay him $12m year one, then $3m on years two and three. It keeps us at the 85%, but keeps our salaries available in years two and three for free agents. Ya know, if MJ wants to take a gamble to try to get a superstar. And we know he will.

by Tim Rudisill on Dec 29, 2011 8:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Every team

needs someone that isnt “breakout” being a major part of the the system. And I dont mean Matt Carrol type of players. Every great team has a vet with the exception of OKC…

by focuslja on Dec 29, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol. I love your short, sinister comments.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

cut

This is how I roll, animal print pants out control.

by southtunnel on Dec 29, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I admit that I certainly can't say for sure

I’m just offering an alternative view to explain Boris Diaw. I’m certainly not advocating for a long-term contract after this season is up. I’m just saying we should enjoy the ride while it lasts.

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

That's kind of silly, don't you think?

Instead of “enjoying the ride” wouldn’t it be better to get some sort of tangible assets (like a pick) instead of just allowing him to expire? Obviously if they’re asking us to take on money as well it’s in our best interests to let him expire, but trading him to the Hawks for Heinrich’s expiring and a first wouldn’t be bad (I’m not sure if that’d work or not though).

by Panthers FTW on Dec 29, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

DJ and Diaw WILL eventually be traded

Their fate was sealed as soon as we were awarded the #7 and #9 picks. Now we can package them (perhaps) and turn them into a high pick or a player of need.

This is how I roll, animal print pants out control.

by southtunnel on Dec 29, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

In the right deal, both players are expendable

I’m certainly not advocating re-signing Boris after this season. But right now, Boris and DJ are players of need. I don’t see the right deal coming along without clearly valuable draft picks being the primary return.

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

It's kind of silly to make definitive statements like that.

You don’t know any better than any of us. We have our suspicions (obviously I feel the same way) but I doubt we could turn them into a high pick. No crappy team (who we could get a high pick from) would take on someone who amounts to basically a half season renter. We’ll only interest contenders, and that’s fine with me, because any picks are better than nothing.

by Panthers FTW on Dec 29, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Yea, but you have to explore the option of a reasonable extension first

If DJ shows that he’s a starting PG, we’d be crazy to trade him away for a late 1st round pick. That only makes sense if we know we can’t be happy re-signing him.

Again, I’m perfectly happy to let Diaw walk away with a new contract somewhere else. Let’s enjoy motivated Boris while we have him and let the cap room be our compensation next year.

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

We have to manage our assets wisely.

A proven, starting PG is certainly worth more than a late first round pick.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Well we sure didn't start rebuilding by drafting a PG and PF

Because DJ and Diaw are a part of our future. Now I shouldn’t have to spell this out for you, but clearly I don’t know exactly how it will play out. But I am 99% sure that if Biyimbo and Kemba play well this season, then DJ and Diaw are gone.

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by southtunnel on Dec 29, 2011 11:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm 100% sure Diaw is gone regardless of Biyombo's play

I think there’s room for DJ and Kemba on the same team as long as the price is right.

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Disagree.

He seems like a player who doesn’t like to be in the limelight much. I can see him being happy to take a much smaller role.

by Panthers FTW on Dec 29, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe if his paycheck wasn't a factor

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by southtunnel on Dec 29, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Like I said, I agree with the sentiment

I just don’t like people making definitive statements when there are certainly other reasonable outcomes. Some show humility.

by Panthers FTW on Dec 29, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

None of us are psychic

Some next time it happens, assume it’s for emphasis

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by southtunnel on Dec 29, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

DJ should be at the deadline

But we might let Boris’s contract run out

by TS BOBCAT on Dec 29, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

How many needs do we have though?

We’ll need a superstar eventually, but how many holes do we actually have? A great starting center? A defensive PG? A backup SG? We’re actually a very deep team at the moment.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't let fandom cloud you.

We have huge holes at SF and C. As much as I like Hendo and Tyrus/White/Biyombo, we’re still either average or below average at SG and PF.

by Panthers FTW on Dec 29, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

How can you even say we are below average at SG??

Henderson is proving all the doubters wrong and he is the future at SG

by TS BOBCAT on Dec 29, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I chose not to mention the SG.

Hendo is proving himself.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I said "average or below average."

I think he’s going to be great, I really do, but right now he’s not great. That’s just the fact of the matter. He’s certainly improving, and I agree that he is the future, but he’s still not up there with the best in the league.

by Panthers FTW on Dec 29, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, but we're hoping Bismack can learn the game and become that future starting

PF or C. And I’m not seeing the huge holes at SF when we have Maggette at the moment, Derrick Brown developing, and Reggie Williams on the roster. As for center Diop and Mullens are manning the spot. Like I said, we’re waiting on a superstar/elite player to fill one of those spots, but as far as holes go, there aren’t that many to name.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Bismack is not a stop gap player.

And Mullens, Williams, and Brown may be role players but they all will have an opportunity to prove themselves worthy of being a part of that final product we are building up to. The only players who definiately have no long term future here are Diop, Carrol, Najera, and maybe Boris. Everyone else is young and developing.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not calling Bismack a stopgap.

Stopgaps, role players, and PROJECTS. I think we all agree Bismack fits under the title of project.

by Panthers FTW on Dec 29, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I know.

He needs time.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

The jury is still out on Mullens.

I believe he could be a legit starter. Particularly with the stark contrast between Biyombo (Defense) and Mullens (Finesse)

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by FirstCat on Dec 29, 2011 12:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm not seeing starting caliber in him.

But I certainly can see him being a valuable role player in the future.

by Panthers FTW on Dec 29, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

My thoughts exactly... SF and Center

The verdicts still out on Hendo. If we can get really great play from another position, then he’ll be fine… If not, then that jump shot and 3 will need to start falling for him every game.

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by southtunnel on Dec 29, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Through these first few games,

he hasn’t given us a reason to believe his shooting has been a fluke.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Consistency is important.

Lets hope he’s able to show us what he has game in and game out.

by Panthers FTW on Dec 29, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I hope.

But I’ve been arguing with Focus so much over this lockout about Hendo that I’m more than content with what I have seen so far and am basically ready to treat it as an everyday thing. Last year, I said Henderson should average 17+ this year and I’m sticking to that belief. Focus never convinced me he was anything other than a bad three point shooter.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

If he's able to average 17 ppg with his modest numbers in rebounds and assists

it’s clear he’s going to be a very good player for us for a long time. Since his defense is already outstanding and still improving.

by Panthers FTW on Dec 29, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Damn I wish I could flash forward

a few years to see how everything turned out.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

If you could do that,

you would be an amazing GM. Fire Cho, hire CB.

by Tim Rudisill on Dec 29, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Get him outta here.

CB for HIRE!!!

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Higgins and Cho pt. 2

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he'll be able to put up a steal and a block each night too

maybe .5 blocks per night, but still

I’m already putting him on all my fantasy teams.

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Diaw, while not the most consistently active player, has been the lynch-pin in the Bobcats success over these first two games...

I mean if you look at the offensive ball movement, the Diaw mismatch/passing, as well as DJ’s aggressiveness have been the biggest reasons for the offensive success we’ve had thusfar.

I think that until we’ve found another answer on offense, Diaw’s contributions cannot be overlooked, no matter how gun shy we are about heaping praise on the fickle forward.

by Aisander D on Dec 29, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

He's the reason we're 1-1 with a point differential of 0 against 2 playoff caliber teams.

So I’m with everyone there. Without him, we wouldn’t be playing this well.

However, my original point stands, unless we’re clearly a playoff caliber team by the deadline, it’s in our best interests to try to coax a pick out of teams like the Celtics, Lakers, Hawks, etc., convincing them Diaw is the key to them winning a championship.

by Panthers FTW on Dec 29, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I totally agree.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not gunshy at all, obviously.

Even when he wasn’t putting up numbers for us the past two seasons, he played good interior defense. Diaw’s greatest flaw is that he always defers to his teammates, but that also makes him a sneaky good player.

Now there’s no one to defer to. I’m not suggesting he’s part of the Bobcats long-term plan because he’ll go right back to his old self as soon as some of these young guys are ready to take the reigns, but I’m loving having him on my team right now.

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

Diaw has always been a magnificent player who has just never played up to his potential. Silas looks to be giving him the freedom to do so. You can’t even count on a number 1 pick to come in and do the things that Diaw does. That’s not saying don’t trade him for a pick, but make sure it’s a GOOD pick that can turn into a GOOD player because that’s exactly what Diaw is.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

With Cho in charge

I’m confident that he’d select a good player.

But – I think the real value comes in being able to trade up, as we did last year, to get a better pick.

Let’s not forget that Diaw is 29, his “peak” year. This should be the best (or close to it) year of his career. And I don’t like our chances at keeping him past this year. Even if the pick isn’t as good as Diaw, it’s someone that can develop and we can keep with us for 7+ years, rather than keeping Diaw for an extra half-year.

by Tim Rudisill on Dec 29, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Like I say, it just depends on what's offered.

If it’s just a second round pick or something like that, I’m just not interested. I’d rather take a chance on resigning Diaw and fail and pick up a D League prospect than accepting that pick as compensation for Diaw.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree 100%

I believe we could easily get a 1st rounder for him, though.

by Tim Rudisill on Dec 29, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we are getting carried away just because Diaw has a rare skillset for a big man

But there’s a reason ideal PF’s have a specific skillset, and PG’s lead the stat boards in assists. A guy like Shaun Livingston also creates mismatches due to his rare PG height and skillset… But if he was poor at distributing the ball then he too would NOT be great at his position.

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by southtunnel on Dec 29, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not getting smart with you or anything,

but Dirk doesn’t have an ideal skillset and his team won the title. I’m more worried about productive players than having every PG be a distributor, every SG being a shooter, and every PF being a back to the basket rebounder.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

The difference is Dirk is a top 10 scorer in the league

Did I really need to point that out?

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by southtunnel on Dec 29, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

But that's the thing

The problem with Diaw isn’t his skillset, it’s his motivation. Diaw could be an allstar. Games like the one he had last night, against a superior defensive squad, make a strong case for what I’m saying.

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Could be doesn't cut it

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by southtunnel on Dec 29, 2011 1:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Well, I'm not sure what turn the discusion is taking now?

Are we talking about Diaw’s effectiveness or Diaw’s skillset and potential effectiveness?

I would agree with you if you want to say that Diaw has been a big disapointment in terms of rebounding and scoring.

I disagree with you if you (at least this is what I think you said) are saying that Diaw’s skillset is not a good fit as a power forward. I’m making the case that Diaw’s skillset and talents make him a great player at almost any position if he just had the proper motivation.

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, I didn't say that a team would be able to win a title around Boris.

Just saying that not every player has to fit that pre-defined skill set to be successful. That’s basically like saying that Boris doesn’t fit with any team in the NBA simply because he doesn’t do what the normal PF does. But hell, for more examples, Wade isn’t the greatest shooter but still effective. Westbrook doesn’t pass the ball much but is still good. Brook Lopez isn’t a rebounding force but is still a good C.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

So what doesn't Boris play well that he's responsible for?

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Somewhat,

and I’ll lend some truth to that. But it’s not like Boris has ever just been a horrible rebounder. I’ve seen much worse. The only areas I ever found weakness for Boris in was shot blocking and rebounding, but I never thought his rebounding was a big enough weakness to complain about. I guess for me it’s just because I don’t see it as a weakness for him. I just attribute that to his motivation as well.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

His rebounding has always been a pretty big issue.

A PF who can’t rebound is a pretty big deal. We had Wallace being an above-average rebounder at SF though, so it masked that deficiency somewhat.

by Panthers FTW on Dec 29, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree.

But like I say, I tie that into the motivation thing. He can be so much better as a rebounder if he wanted to be. I’m not saying it’s not a weakness as far as what his career average indicates, but it’s not a weakness as far as what I know he can do as a player. You get what I’m saying? Like he’s capable of it, but he doesn’t do it so that negates the fact that he can. But it doesn’t take away from the fact that he can. Lol. See what I’m saying? Overall though, I agree, it’s a weakness that he can improve on, but it wouldn’t take a significant improvement for it to be acceptable.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand your view point.

It may very well be a motivation thing (seems like everything about him is about motivation) but his history isn’t on his side. We’ll just have to wait and see.

by Panthers FTW on Dec 29, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

For me, everything for him really is about motivation.

I’ve NEVER, and I’m not exaggerating, but I’ve never seen a player have two totally contrasting sides to themselves. It’s almost like Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde when it comes to Boris. I just want to see how well Silas can keep him going before moving him. That’s all it really comes down to for me.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

That's a perfect way of describing Diaw

Although I would note that he seems to defer to other plays when it comes to doing things that can be recorded in the stat books. Even when he’s playing “lazy” you’ll still see him do little things that don’t show up in the record.

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

As a basketball player, I’m an absolute fan of Boris’ skill set and size. As a basketball fan, I’ve been on the trade Boris bandwagon 100’s of times because of his perceived laziness. I’ve never supported him as much as I have in this thread today. Lol.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

A hell of a lot.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not convinced it was a real deficiency

I think he was defering to Wallace to some extent. Just like the entire roster at Minnie defers to K-Love to clean the boards.

Having said that, Boris has shown a lax attitude to rebounding in the past, which is a concern.

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Rebounding, blocking, 90% of offensive post moves

I want to see a refined version of what Biyombo did defensively and offensively… granted it was one play, but more of that.

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by southtunnel on Dec 29, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with CB here.

Pigeon-holing people into certain positions isn’t smart. Just because their position traditionally says they’re supposed to do one thing, it doesn’t mean that they can’t be effective in their own way.

by Panthers FTW on Dec 29, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

The number one Anti-Focus argument.

Lol.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea, Diaw would be a hall of famer if he had more fire

The NBA seems to be going away from traditional positional play any way.

Lebron could easily play all five positions himself, and he could excel at three of them. Odom is the same way. There are plenty of dual position players and the offense doesn’t just run through the pg’s hands any more. Mismatches are of great value to a team.

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Brilliant comparisons guys

Dirk and Lebron… Yeah I totally see the similarity in Diaw.

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by southtunnel on Dec 29, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

You're missing the comparisions entirely though

if you’re just looking at the players.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm only comparing Diaw and Lebron by their versatility

The numbers would back me up on that. I’m certainly not saying that Diaw is anywhere near as effective as Lebron.

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

The difference is James is versatile

Diaw is out of position. And being a top scorer in the league trumps everything.

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by southtunnel on Dec 29, 2011 1:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

What position would you suggest Diaw play?

He excelled playing center in phoenix. I know it’s early, but he’s been really strong in 2 games at center this season. He has played strong D in the post throughout his tenure as a Bobcat. His first season here, before Jax was here, he put up really strong numbers as our starting power forward.

He’s not an orthodox player, granted. His seeming lack of fire is frustrating, but you can’t say he doesn’t fit at all.

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

He apparently doesn't have a position.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

He has no choice but to play C or PF

He’s too slow and fat to play other positions. But on a team that’s not rebuilding, and where he’s not needed to do so much.

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by southtunnel on Dec 29, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

But having the potential to impact the game in

almost every aspect means nothing?

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds like something you so to people who suck
you just go be effective in your own way

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by southtunnel on Dec 29, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

So a man

damn near having two triple doubles in back to back games in a W and a one point loss against the best team in the league isn’t good? I’m not sure I’m following you here.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he's saying...

“I’ve already made my mind up that Boris is bad and it’s too late to change things now.”

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Lol. It's gets like that sometimes.

But southtunnel has always been more reasonable.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol. But neither are as consistent as Focus or Procton

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Indeed.

I wish I felt that way about studying.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

If only

I’d be a freaking rocket scientist right now if I had the level of intensity and focus that they have

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

It's extreme.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not saying he's bad at all

He’s a great role player for a team that already has a Superstar. But I just dont think he’s the answer here. And that in an ideal world Biyimbo would become a monster in the paint, and better suit that position.

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by southtunnel on Dec 29, 2011 1:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Well I'm not sure what you mean by the "answer".

here. He obviously fits in well with what we’re trying to do and contributing fine. If you’re upset about Boris eating into Biyombo’s playing time, just say that.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

You're acting like he's turned this team around or something

When Diaw has had a primary role on this team, we have NOT won many games. When Jack showed up and he and Wallace took over, and Diaw took a backseat, we made the playoffs. When they left and Boris’ responsibility increased, we went back to not winning many games.

So again, why exactly are you soooo in love with Boris Diaw???

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by southtunnel on Dec 29, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

You're acting like the man

didn’t just have damn near TWO BACK TO BACK TRIPLE DOUBLES. And with Diaw as the focal point of the offense, the supposedly WORSE team in the league built a 16 point lead on the supposedly BEST and had a chance to win the game.

So again, why exactly are you sooooo upset with Boris Diaw??? The man has a few good games and the first thing you can think about is trading him rather than seeing how long this trend can continue? I’m starting to see what Focus was talking about.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

My bad.

I forgot Boris was the reason we lost………….wait……….what????

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

He was the reason Wade hit that game winning shot, yes

Hendo defended him well, but his help, the big man in the paint, was late and ineffective.

Listen… I’d just prefer a more powerful presence in the post. If BB was 7 foot, then maybe Diaw would stick for me. But on our current roster he doesn’t.

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by southtunnel on Dec 29, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd prefer a more powerful presence

in the paint as well, particularly at center, and I do agree that Boris is an oddball fit on the team which is the only reason I’m really open to moving him at this point. If he’s putting up monster numbers up until the deadline we would be foolish to trade him for some bs. That’s all I’m saying. If that’s the case and no one is offering anything legit, then I’d rather take a chance on him walking and hopefully resigning for less. He’s a great player when he wants to be. I’m as skeptical as anyone about how long it’ll last but I have hope because he’s doing it under Silas who gives him the freedom he needs to succeed.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

So far.

Lol, Jesus, it’s only two games. I’ll be back looking at it from your side of things as soon as “scrub” Boris returns. I recognize that chances are greater that he won’t keep this up. All I’m saying is wait until the deadline to make a move if we make am move at all.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Our objective is to build a team

I’m not making a case for Diaw sucking. I’m making a case that Diaw plays a position that should be strong in the paint, but he’s not, and thus that is our team’s weakness.

Unless we magically find a great Center, I think we have no other option than to address that weakness via Diaw’s position.

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by southtunnel on Dec 29, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

And generally..

If you are trying to build are trying to build a yearly title contender…you want to have players that actually fit their positions. A real C. A true PG. A scoring /shooting 2 guard. A POWER Forward.

Now, ideal it is…and hard to accomplish. And it is not impossible to generate success away from this ideal cast…

I think the argument is about if Diaw fits as the PF in an ideal, consistent World Champ contender?? And as good and versatile player as Boris is (can be)…I understand completely the idea that his isn’t the piece we “ideally” want

ideally

by mives36 on Dec 29, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I understand

where he is coming from entirely. I’m just looking at it from a GM perspective as how can best utilize the player Boris Diaw. And I just don’t think trading him is a good idea unless it gives us a halfway decent return. I know he’s not going to be running the offense forever, eventually one of the young guys are going to have to step up. But he’s been exceptional as a facilitator thus far and I want to see how long he can keep it up.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds like trading him for anything is better than losing him to FA

Of course this all depends on whether or not we suck in a couple months.

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by southtunnel on Dec 29, 2011 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess.

But to me that’s saying Diaw can’t fit anywhere in the league because of his unique skill set. Center is definiately our biggest need though. I think we’ll address that in the draft next year. Mullens looks to be a good backup.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm with Charlotte Bobcat...

Regardless of the past, Diaw has nearly had back to back triple doubles. It’s blatantly obvious that our offense, and well team is revolving around Diaw and his exceptional array of talents.

Say what you will about Diaw not blocking Wade’s last minute shot, but it certainly wasn’t Diaw who lost the game for us. I think it’s pretty evident that the opposite it true. He actually kept us in the game with a dynamtie effort. If anyone lost us the game, it was probably Maggette, who did little to nothing offensively and let Bron run all over him.

Unless we are getting Jared Sullinger or a pick high enough for him, trading him would be idiotic because his value to us is much higher than his draft/trade value.

by jkp1516 on Dec 29, 2011 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Maggette last night was horrible.

He played some sound defense but otherwise he was just stalling the offense. Looking like Jax without the attitude.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Didnt Diaw have 2 blocks last night

along with the stats he had, isnt that good enough for you guys?

by focuslja on Dec 29, 2011 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

DIaw is one of the reasons we lost

He continuously turned the ball over wiith dumb passes and with a great team like the Heat you cannot just throw the ball to them.

by TS BOBCAT on Dec 29, 2011 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

That's at least a better argument than blaming him for one play

Diaw had 6 TOs, DJ had 5, Hendo had 4, and Walker had 3. There were even more than that, but those are the notable totals.

We lost last night because the Heat played incredible D in the second half, and they have three future HOFs on the team.

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

By the way

Diaw’s assist to turnover ratio was better than DJ’s, Walker’s and Hendo’s last night.

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Is there some universal law that you can't blame a guy for one play?

If he messed up that play, then blame him for that play. If he turned the ball over too much then blame him for that.

If he’s good in the role of “point” forward then give him credit. I have. So how about you drop it now? Just because you have some infatuation for the guy doesn’t mean I’m not allowed to prefer we have a more physical C and/or PF.

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by southtunnel on Dec 30, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah you can blame the guy for one play...

But not the for the entire game. He clearly didn’t lose the game for us.

by jkp1516 on Dec 30, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Did Wade win the game for Miami?

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by southtunnel on Dec 30, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Hitting the game-winner

and winning the game are two very, very different things.

by Tim Rudisill on Dec 30, 2011 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

This was an awesome game

I don’t think there’s much more I can add that hasn’t been said here or in the game day thread, but damn, this was one entertaining, awesome game. Yeah, at the buzzer, I had that short feeling of disappointment (along with some colorful language), but that feeling quickly dissipated, because I knew that overall, we played an awesome game that most thought we’d get blown out in.

We played better against the Heat than the Mavs and the Celtics did. We made them work for that W until the very end, and along the way, provided a fun game of basketball to watch.

The third quarter, imo, is what killed us. We scored like 10 points, and had an immense amount of turnovers. That led the Heat right back into it. With the exception of Maggette, I was very satisfied with everyone else on the team (even if Boris did turn the ball over a few times, he really was good everywhere else).

This is what I hope from our Bobcats this season. I know winning a lot of games may be out of the question, but as long as I see heart, effort, and teamwork, all rolled up into an entertaining game, I’ll be happy. Our future will be interesting.

As for Sunday vs Heat, I’m expecting them to abuse us, lol

by Roger, Roger on Dec 29, 2011 8:59 AM EST reply actions  

I was fully ready to eat some crow had the Bobcats pulled this one out.

But this was an outstanding game to watch.

I’m still sticking to my “Boris plays harder when his team needs him the most” theory. He seems to thrive when he can be more than just a role player, and he really excells as a non-traditional center.

DJ’s shown flashes of this kind of play in the past, but he hasn’t shown that he can do it consistently. Let’s hope this is the year he takes the next step. I am solidly in the “let’s not trade DJ just yet” camp.

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 9:07 AM EST reply actions  

That camp is growing.

I’ve always thought that other than maybe risking potentially overpaying him we have no reason to get rid of him. I think he and Kemba can function on the same team as demonstrated thus far.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 9:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

My concern is not that they can't function well on the same team together

I’m worried if it’s an efficient use of resources. We are not a large market team, so we have to be careful with our money management.

Kemba will be very good. DJ is already good. Henderson will be very good. How much will we pay all 3 of them? I think we need to be careful and spend our money wisely and make sure we have a great starting 5. Yes, we’ll also need a couple of good backups, but I think those 3 are too good to be backups and their salaries will reflect that. If we overpay for a backup, then our team as a whole will struggle.

That’s my concern.

by Tim Rudisill on Dec 29, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

It's an effecient use of resources when Kemba's on hiw rookie contract

If both turn out to be starting quality pgs, one will have to go, but that doesn’t have to happen this season.

I think me and CB are very clear that we don’t want to over pay DJ. But you also don’t want to throw him away just because Walker’s on the team.

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

Trading DJ isn’t out the question. But I think a lot of people are looking at it as trade DJ at all cost. Which there is no reason for us to feel so rushed about making a decision on him.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

No, not "at all costs"

There are times when it’s beneficial to keep him, I just believe that it’s more than likely going to be better overall for us to trade him.

by Tim Rudisill on Dec 29, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Possibly,

but with teams needing to stay in the 85% range of the cap, we’re not going to be able to keep building teams off of draft picks. Either we are going to have to sign some free agents or extend or own players in the coming years. DJ wouldn’t create a cap problem at PG because Kemba still has several years left on his rookie deal. The overall main reason for splitting up Kemba and DJ wasn’t because of the contracts but because they were thought to be too small to play together. That hasn’t been the case thus far as both have been highly effective.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Rambler,

Your Boris theory has really been growing on me as of late. I hope he continues to prove it correctly.

by Roger, Roger on Dec 29, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

He did it when Amare got hurt. He did it when he first got traded to Charlotte

Boris seems to get bored easily, and he seems to defer to more aggressive teammates (Stephen Jackson), but something about a young team that’s not supposed to win anything seems to have lit a fire in his belly.

I know the contract situation has to be in everyone’s mind, but he didn’t have an expiring when he first came to Charlotte and he posted great numbers then. I think the chemistry just has to be right for this guy.

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree 100%.

I don’t think money has ever been his primary motivation. He probably lost a girlfriend a long time ago or something and hasn’t been able to come out of his funk. She was probably at the past two games cheering him on, with her new boyfriend.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Haha

It would be something totally unrelated to basketball wouldn’t it?

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Lol. It has to be.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Not now, let's wait and trade him after his value goes up

I’m hoping he plays well enough to get us another decent 1st round pick. Because let’s face it… Kemba will eventually win this job.

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by southtunnel on Dec 29, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

i have been sick

i fell asleep during halftime and woke up just as the third quarter ended

i was like WTF! 10 points?

i have no idea what happened, but wow… the 4th quarter, however, was very exciting, i would’ve liked to see DJ take a little bit more time on his shot at the end, i think he even had time to pass it out for a quick catch and shoot, but alas, such is things

i was very disappointed at how much some of the “bobcats” fans were cheering for the heat, but then when Kemba hit that three, you could tell that there were still tons of bobcats fans trying to will them on

in regards to derrick brown – four shots, four blocks against…. he just couldn’t find any space at all, poor guy

by adamcawa on Dec 29, 2011 9:45 AM EST reply actions  

They were fouling the hell out of Brown.

Particularly on one play where Battier grabbed him by the arm and pulled him down. If Maggette is halfway effective that game we win convincingly.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Im not feeling Maggette

This is supposed to be his chance to show the league what kind of player he can be and so far he looks like a scrub.

by TS BOBCAT on Dec 29, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

He will be traded soon enough.

Our scoring is more than sufficient without him.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

We won't be able to trade him if he can't show that he's still got skills

Maggette’s been an effecient individual scorer, but he’s also been a ball hog.

One thing that really struck me about last night’s game was how sharp the passes were in the first half. The Bobcats were sharing the ball in exempliry fashion. It seems to me that this is going to be an offense where everybody gets a taste. That style of play is only going to marganilze Maggette’s game. He’s not going to be effective unless he gets the ball in his hands. The good news is that Bobcats don’t seem to need Maggs to be a scorer right now. On the plus side, Corey played solid D last night.

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

We can get rid of him anytime we wanted really

for an expiring. There is always a desperate contender out there looking to pick up someone like him. But I’m not sure if the return would be worth it. Right now, I’m just interested in not having him on the court if he is going to slow down the offense like last night.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

When/if we do trade him,

I want it to be after he has about 2 or 3 straight 20 point games. If we are out of the playoff race (WE WON’T BE, lol) close to the deadline, Silas should focus the offense around him for those last few games up to the deadline to maximize his value.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Hold off on the trade talk until next year.

He’ll be an expiring then, therefore he’ll be far more valuable. For now, we should be focusing our efforts on trading our current expirings in Boris and DJ.

by Panthers FTW on Dec 29, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm still not that interested in trading DJ.

We’ll have cap room. I’m willing to match whatever offer comes at this point. I don’t know how many teams will ever trust DJ to be a starter and pay him like one, so, we may as well keep him on at a reasonable salary. Boris is going to have to bring back a good package if he is dealt away now. We are not going to give him away for nothing.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Even if Boris is expendable after this season, I would think the cap room is preferable

If this is the beginning of a break out campaign for DJ, we may need to start thinking about an extension. That’s risky business, but it does keep other teams from bidding against us.

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I said that in the game thread last night.

I don’t know how the rules work, but I think we should extend DJ before his value gets too high or James Dolan comes calling.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Very.

I think if we can lock him up for under 7 million per right now, it’s worth looking into.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

The problem, in my eyes, is his future on this team is to be coming off the bench.

Someone will want to pay him like a starter if he continues to play this way, and if he does, I don’t see how we can justify the expense if Kemba is our future. If we can keep him for a reasonable price, I’d be willing to do that, but unless we can do that, I’d prefer some compensation before he leaves.

by Panthers FTW on Dec 29, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

DJ's future isn't on the bench if he keeps this kind of play up.

Having two starting caliber PGs would be a good prolem to have. We can always trade one when the time is right. I just think it’s too knee jerk to talk about trading DJ now. We don’t really know what we have in either DJ or Kemba yet.

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Obviously I'm not advocating we trade DJ right now.

It’s more like at the deadline, if things develop like I’m expecting them to with Kemba being our clearcut PG of the future, I’d rather us get something for DJ instead if nothing if we choose not to match a contract offer for him in the offseason.

Lots of time to go, but as it stands, I’m still in the camp of trading him, because I want more cheap assests for the future (like trade picks).

by Panthers FTW on Dec 29, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

It all depends on how things unfold

If the Bobcats don’t think they can sign him to a reasonable deal and Kemba shows appropriate growth, and the return has clear value to the team, then yea, I wouldn’t hate it.

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah man,

having a starting caliber PG on the bench just means our bench is that strong. It’s a great problem to have.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

The Bobcats don't have the resources to pay a starting salary to a bench player.

We’ve done that with other players in the past and it only cripples us. We can’t afford it.

by Tim Rudisill on Dec 29, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

We've never been in a position to have

starting quality players come off the bench though, unless you’re counting Tyrus.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, it's a PG

heavy league and right now I’m having trouble picturing anyone paying him starter money next year. Maybe some like Phoenix if they lose Nash or ……………Toronto maybe? It’s not a lot of teams really in the market for a starting PG. And if DJ continues to split time with Kemba, I don’t think his value will ever jump high enough to really make a team go after him that aggressively. I don’t know, but you just don’t get rid of good players out of complete fear of paying them. We’ll have to open up our wallets soon enough to keep these guys. I’d rather trade Tyrus for nothing and use that money to resign DJ than trade DJ away. Unless we get a GREAT pick back.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I can see New Orleans making

a run at him too now that I think about it.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I know we have to open up our wallets at some point, but I don't think it's wise to do it to a backup PG.

I might be wrong about him, but until I see him able to consistently keep up this level of play, I’ll be keen on trading him. If we’re able to keep him on for a reasonable deal (say, 3-4 years, $20 million) then I wouldn’t mind having him on board for the future.

by Panthers FTW on Dec 29, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh, I totally agree.

No doubt. His problem has ALWYAS been consistency and he really hasn’t demonstrated that yet. Two good games doesn’t mean that. But if he’s doing this for about 2 or 3 weeks straight, I say lock him in.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

If he keeps this up 2-3 weeks, I'd definitely try to negotiate an extension.

We need to be smart with our salary cap (and I’m confident with Cho that we’ll do that) and if DJ takes below what I think he’ll want, then welcome aboard Deej.

by Panthers FTW on Dec 29, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I have full confidence in Cho

making the right decision as far as dealing with talent we already have.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Two games in, I can't endorse trading either Boris or DJ

They’re playing great ball. I know neither have been a bastian of consistency, but I’m enjoying watching them play. Kemba’s not ready to be our starting PG and Boris is finally putting up numbers. It’d be a shame to live with his lazy-fair attitude the past few seasons just to dump him when he finally gives a shit.

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Lol. I know right.

At least hold on to them until the deadline. You have a city that looks like it’s halfway ready to get behind the team. Don’t make us worse now. We obviously can’t just depend on everyone coming out and being complete scrubs for that number 1 pick. They are going to come out and fight.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Just an fyi-

I don’t endorse trading them right now. I endorse trading them at the deadline when their value is maximized and other teams are desperate to take that last step to get over the hump.

by Tim Rudisill on Dec 29, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

It all depends on how things work out

Do you trade them if we have a legitimate chance at the playoffs?

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I as well.

The moves I’m talking about making are all centered around what we should do at the deadline. I’m excited to see how much this team can grow in it’s current form up until then.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

We have to trade Diaw.

I don’t see any reason to extend a player like him for a rebuilding team, and if we’re going to just let him walk, then we should get SOMETHING for him before he walks. If we can get a late first round pick, I say we do it, and we’ll defenitly be able to get that from a contender if he keeps up this level of play.

by Panthers FTW on Dec 29, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

If we're contending for the playoffs, I wouldn't trade Boris this season

If not, a future pick would be a decent return as long as it doesn’t involve a bad contract in return. Either way, I’m going to enjoy this ride as long as it lasts.

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Haha, I'm not putting money on it

I’m just open to being surprised.

As a homer, I’m always ready to believe in the Bobcats.

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

It doesn't hurt to have a veteran

who has no problem deferring to younger talent like Diaw on the team.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

He played decently in his first game.

He had the best defender in the league on him last night and his game revolves around generating fouls, and LeBron is a defender who he isn’t going to get a lot of space to draw those fouls. Small sample sizes, people don’t need to jump to such quick conclusions.

by Panthers FTW on Dec 29, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I've watched Maggette since he was at Duke.

He’s the same player I’ve always known. It’s not about the shots he missed, people have bad shooting nights. It’s the shots he was taking. Basically just forcing shots up at the rim with no open looks. He also failed on a few cluth plays. I’m not ready to get rid of him yet. You know I’m always the one saying let’s try this out for a while before we make a move. But if he continues to be a black hole on offense, he has to sit. There were a few times where he did move the ball well, but I think he took way too many shots under pressure.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

As we know, Maggette is a guy who wants to get his.

He wasn’t able to find any room last night so he got frustrated and jacked up some bad shots. If it becomes a trend, he’ll need to learn better. That said, I didn’t remember him taking that many bad shots (the arrant three is the only one that sticks out in my head) and with such a young core we need a veteran presence to get us through what are sure to be some inconsistent efforts.

by Panthers FTW on Dec 29, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Imo,

every shot he took was bad as Lebron was pretty much clouding him the entire time. But I’ll give him time.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I hear what you're saying about not jumping to conclusions, FTW

I realize that Maggette is capable of putting up 20 points on any given night. I’m just saying that the team offense seems to work better when the ball is moving, and that’s never been a part of Corey’s game.

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

That's very true. From what I've heard (I'll admit I haven't seen him much) he tends to need to dominate the ball.

From what I’ve seen so far, he’s been a willing passer. Whether it stays that way remains to be seen, but if he does I’m sure he’ll grt comfortable in his role.

by Panthers FTW on Dec 29, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

If he can intergrate into the offense, then of course he fits

but I wouldn’t put money on that happening.

You’re right though, he does seem to have a good attitude, it’s just that that has never been the way Maggette plays. His skill is throwing up shots and getting fouled. When fouls aren’t getting called, he’s a marginal player (per history). That could change, I guess.

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Anyone ready for a Augustin, Henderson, and Diaw All Star campaign

I think we have our G positions set for the future now all that left is the 3,4, and 5. Hopefully BB is the future at either 4 or 5. BB looked really good last night he finally showed us what he could, in 9 miniutes he has 2 points 3 rebounds and 2 blocks the dude is Ben Wallace 2.0. Wallace is probably the worst case scenario which is pretty good to me.

by TS BOBCAT on Dec 29, 2011 9:59 AM EST reply actions  

F it, throw Kemba in that rookie of the year

lead while we’re at it. He should’ve taken that final shot.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

It's trending on twitter

that Wade traveled on his game winner last night.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 10:07 AM EST reply actions  

Holy. Sh!t.

Well, I certainly missed it. Then again, I’m not being paid to not miss these things. Great…now I’m even more agitated about last night’s loss. lol

REC’D.

Newton for '11 ROY! (Update: Etch it in stone)
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for DPOY!

by Newsinz on Dec 29, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd be more agitated

If it weren’t for Gerald’s header block that shouldn’t have been. Those two plays were a wash, really.

by djwilliams11 on Dec 29, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Hmmm good point

Newton for '11 ROY! (Update: Etch it in stone)
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for DPOY!

by Newsinz on Dec 29, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

The NBA has responded:
The Dwyane Wade basket shown in the below video is a legal basketball move. Wade gathered the ball with his right foot on the floor: his first step is when both feet touch the floor simultaneously and his second is when he steps forward with his right foot.

It’s on http://www.nba.com/official/ They also have an alternate angle of the action in a video.

by Roger, Roger on Dec 29, 2011 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

It doesn't even matter...

We lost. No point in beating a dead horse. If he traveled, so be it. If not, we still lost.

by jkp1516 on Dec 29, 2011 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol. I know right.

Not like they’re going to reverse the decision or anything.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah I know, lol

I didn’t bring the subject up thinking OMG They CHEATED US FROM A WIN, stupid refs! I also didn’t bring it up as an advocacy call for instant replays. I just posted it more for discussion to see what folks had to say, and because it was a topic that was relevant on the interwebs. I posted the NBA response because I thought it was fitting to do so.

As a fan of soccer, I’m use to all sorts of calls happening (or not happening) only to learn that replays reveal otherwise. A lot of similar occurrences happen in the NBA as well.

And it’s like the Hardwood Paroxysm article says. They’re have been plenty of travels and instances of this issue in the past, and they will continue to be so in the future. No biggie.

by Roger, Roger on Dec 29, 2011 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

The NBA has let that call get

away for a long time now. It doesn’t surprise me they said it wasn’t a travel.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

The case to trade him for me is getting stronger.

Hope he doesn’t disrupt the chemistry when he gets back.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I can.

We still haven’t seen what he can do this season. Give TT some time. I appear to be in the minority but the numbers showed that Thomas had a really good year last season so I’m not ready to give up on him just yet.

by Panthers FTW on Dec 29, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Except while Malone was "The Mailman"

Biyombo will be “The Great Barrier Reef”.

(Blame my wife for that nickname.)

by Tim Rudisill on Dec 29, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

And hopefully...

more titles when it’s said and done!!

by mives36 on Dec 29, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Get you some Bobcats gear

and tune in as much as possible homey.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Anybody else think D-Wade's Superman was a punk move?

He said that it was a respectful omage to Cam, but with the scowl on his face and Cam cheering for the Cats, it sure didn’t look like it.

by djwilliams11 on Dec 29, 2011 11:02 AM EST reply actions  

I didn't see anything wrong with it.

If anything, it makes me happy as a Panthers fan because it’s just acknowledgement of how amazing Newton has been.

“Imitation is the greatest form of flattery.”

by Panthers FTW on Dec 29, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly! I thought it was great.

Regardless of Wade’s intentions… It shows you how big-time Cam had already become. And that also brings more recognition to this city and even to the Bobcats.

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by southtunnel on Dec 29, 2011 11:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Yup.

That’s how I feel about it. Do everything in Charlotte. Put us on the map. I like when the greats of the NBA go out of their way to get the attention of an NFL great. That lets you know he is an ICON.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I never get too upset with athlete celebrations

They work hard enough and put their bodies on the line. The game is supposed to be fun.

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Anybody think Kemba will win the starting job this season?

That is with a healthy DJ still on the roster?

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by southtunnel on Dec 29, 2011 11:15 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

I say no

After the draft I said that Kemba Walker was a good pick because he was already better than DJ, but I think I might be wrong. DJ’s playing with confidence that I’ve never seen before. He may finally be growing into his ceiling as a player. Kemba looks like he’ll be a starter one day, but he’s well suited as a 6th man right now.

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

DJ's had plenty moments of confidence

Remember how amazing he looked once Silas took over last year? The problem is sustaining that confidence, especially under pressure… Something Kemba has intuitively.

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by southtunnel on Dec 29, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

That's actually a fair point

DJ did regress after his initial resurgence under Silas. DJ’s still a young player though, so I don’t think we’ve seen everything he has to offer. If I had to put money on it, I’d say Kemba doesn’t win the starting job this year as long as DJ is healthy and on the roster.

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

If DJ fixes his biggest problem, consistency, then probably not.

That is, unless the team falls apart in the coming weeks and starts losing like we’re expected to. And if that were to happen, it would probably be because DJ isn’t playing as well as he has been.

It just depends I guess.

by Panthers FTW on Dec 29, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Thomas had a braid 3 sprain. Augustin had a level 1.

That’s a big difference in mobility

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by T-TIME, I MEAN DUNK TIME on Dec 29, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

He's been doing the same thing for years.

That’s why it caught me off guard when you took offense to it the other day.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you guys mistook what I was saying yesterday

I called it as I saw it. That doesn’t mean I was getting mad or offended. I was just making a candid statement.

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol. Nah, I seen you weren't getting mad.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

You need to start posting the asian chick gifs again.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Damn. That looks like it'd hurt.

And you are trolling again. Lol.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Biyombo probably would have fouled... But I totally agree.

somebody should have helped

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by southtunnel on Dec 29, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Grade***

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by T-TIME, I MEAN DUNK TIME on Dec 29, 2011 12:27 PM EST reply actions  

One thing about the help D on the last play.

IF he had came in to help that would have meant leaving Lebron (that’s who was on the outside).

Now I think Miami had it drawn that way on purpose. Had he crashed to help earlier that would have left a lane for Lebron to crash backdoor for potentially an easy layup/dunk to win.

Maybe he could have crashed down when Wade got that deep but at that point when you have Henderson right with him, you don’t always want to come in from behind and potentially get the foul.

by tarheels24 on Dec 29, 2011 1:22 PM EST reply actions  

Never thought I'd say this but Damn you Paul Silas!!!lol!

Didn’t you guys notice that during the last 5/6 minutes of the 4th quarter how Miami kept attacking the basket? Had Silas had Bismack, Mullens or hell even Diop in the game, they would have more than likely settled for jumpshots!! And regardless of how well Augustine played last night, Kemba should have been in this game at the 5 minute mark! He makes it happen, he gets to the rim contanstly and draws fouls! He abused Cole on a few moves last night! And Bosh is the luckiest sonofabitch I’ve seen play this year so far!lol

by jah p on Dec 29, 2011 1:27 PM EST reply actions  

Agree on ALL jah p

The shot by Wade was just big time. No real qualms about how it was D’d. As tarheels24 said above, you gotta pick your poison. Wade was cold all night, Bosh and James hot. Too many weapons. Just a great shot.

Am I the only one thinking on that last play with almost 3 sec left….Silas could’ve put Biz into that play and ran a set of picks with Biz rolling out back and getting a lob to the basket? Just can’t believe the Heat would ever expect a last sec play where find Biyombo go-go-gadget arming up and skying for a lob to thunder down at the buzzer. Just gotta feeling he would be well forgot about and have a good shot.

No Kemba=No Happy for me….

And yeah…like I said before too….the help D at the rim the last 5 min was terrible. What happened to not allowing easy buckets. They slid in for lay ups and dunks time and again as the help guy (DJ White, I saw a few times) stood still and failed to react. At least make them earn it at the line. Not happy with that.

I hope our guys are angry going into this ORL game. I want to see them make Hell for Dwight. And I gotta feeling Maggs gonna have a big night in this one. Rebound game. Will see.

by mives36 on Dec 29, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

That would be such a ballsy call

People would be questioning Silas’ decision making had it not worked out.

Silas may also want to ease the rookie into action so as not to hurt his confidance seeing as how Biyombo is still awkward in a lot of situations.

I like the gumption, but it’s a little too out there for my taste.

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol.

That ball would’ve went straight through his hands and out of bounds for a turnover.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

That reminds me of something my dad often says.

From his experience as a college and high school football and basketball coach.

When it works you are a genius, when it doesn’t you are the dumbest man alive.

by tarheels24 on Dec 29, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep. haha

But I gotta say.. I have always liked the Coach willing to put his balls on the line for something… Honestly…if Biz was actually in the game for that play, Miami coulda probably just fouled him before we even got the jump off (hack-a-BB) and eneded up with the same result.

We had the right guy (Kemba?) with the ball for that play…I just was upset with the shot. My plan has high chance of failure….but it would be fun! If Biz did butterfinger it (highly possible) yur boy looks like a ding-dong. Life in bball.

by mives36 on Dec 29, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol. That sums up my thoughts.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Diaw lovers... What happens exactly when Boris starts against Dwight Howard on Friday???

Since like you say, we don’t really need a true “power” forward… what happens when we don’t have one, our Center is a no-so-powerful forward, and we have to play the most powerful Superstar in the league?

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by southtunnel on Dec 29, 2011 4:17 PM EST reply actions  

I think we all see increased minutes for Diop and Biyombo coming

Because I think we all know Diaw can’t begin to defend Howard.

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by southtunnel on Dec 29, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I want to see what BB does against Howard

But Diop is probably the best fit. Mullens can pull him away from the rim, exposing their sketchy perimeter defense.

by drapht00 on Dec 29, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I do too. But I'm afraid of it as well.

Biyombo seems so eager that he very well may get a wrist broken trying to block a Howard dunk.

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by southtunnel on Dec 29, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

And I guess Howard is good enough to lock Boris down all over the floor too.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Let's end this foolishness before it starts

Dwight Howard > Boris Diaw

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by southtunnel on Dec 29, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Boris is a PF

Dwight is a C.

Where does the foolishness start?

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

You're talking about Boris not being able to play

Howard but failing to realize that Howard can’t play Boris either unless it’s in the paint. But I’m sure having a traditional PF who only played in the post where Howard dominates would help that a lot huh.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea, Diaw arguably outplayed Bogut

You can’t expect any big to outplay Howard, but Diaw’s offensive versatility can really neutralize Howard’s game to some extent.

Saying that Diaw is flawed because he can’t handle Dwight Howard is kind of like saying we should trade Gerald Henderson because he can’t stop Kobe or Wade. No one is saying that Diaw is an elite player. I’m just saying give him credit where he deserves it.

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually, it looks like Diaw's lack of true "power" skills lost the game for us...

Watch Wade’s last shot again…
http://www.nba.com/video/games/bobcats/2011/12/28/0021100024_mia_cha_play8.nba/

Now I thought nobody came to help Hendo, but in fact Mr. “versatility” himself did come over and try to block Wade’s shot. But when it takes you 5 seconds to move across the paint, and you only jump about an inch off the ground, well… I think we see the end result.

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by southtunnel on Dec 29, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

16 rebounds, 16 points, 8 assists.

Those are your end results.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah well the most important player to come out of that game was Dwayne Wade

10 points, but he sealed the “W”

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by southtunnel on Dec 29, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

So it's Boris' fault that we lost.

I hear ya. Ok.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

So we lose if he plays or if he doesn't... I see where this is going

Maybe we need an upgrade.

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by southtunnel on Dec 29, 2011 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

We clearly lost

bc of the SF position. If we wouldve had a Nachbar or Moon, I refuse to think we wouldve lost that game

by focuslja on Dec 29, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

What's your issue with Diaw?

He’s been the focal point of our team that is a last second shot away from being 2-0 after a win over arguably the best team in the NBA. Just because he isn’t “traditional” doesn’t mean he isn’t any good.

by JDeLong42 on Dec 29, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I've ONLY said I'd prefer a more powerful C and/or PF

I think that would be an upgrade for our current roster.

But let’s not misread this… I’m making reasons for my preference, but have stated over and over again that he’s NOT a bad player. A couple guys here have some love-fest for Diaw, and are just arguing for the sake of it.

This is how I roll, animal print pants out control.

by southtunnel on Dec 30, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I can tell you're getting annoyed, so let's remember that we're all Bobcats fans

It’s all love and respect as far as I’m concerned.

I’m just trying to give Boris credit where credit is do. There’s no love fest or infatuation in saying that the guy has skills. I’m glad you can acknowledge that Diaw is not a bad player, but I honestly didn’t see you saying that until now, so that’s why a debate was taking place.

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 30, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

It's easy to have

a love fest for a guy after back to back games in which he’s posted damn near two triple doubles. But don’t get it twisted. I’ve complained about Diaw just as much as anyone over the past few years.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 30, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

If a young, up and coming player does that it's one thing

But Boris has been in the league 9 years! He’s had plenty of great back to back games. But let’s not kid ourselves, he’s not going to all the sudden play at a much higher and consistently level… He is what he is.

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by southtunnel on Dec 30, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

What us disagreeing on

comes down to me believing that he is playing better because of a different role in the offense against you believing him playing like he has as just Boris having a few good games. Time will tell.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 30, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not trying to be rude

but this is the absolute weakest argument against Diaw that I’ve ever heard.

You can take any player in the NBA and find a clip where he was late getting over to help on D. It happens to any player in the league. Every player gets beat on defense at some point. Hendo got beat. You want to say he lost the game to, or are we just picking on Diaw to prove a point?

You can’t point to one play and say that negates the other 48 minutes of action on the court. Look at Diaw’s stat line from the past two games and you’ll start to feel silly about what you just said.

There’s plenty of legitimate criticism you can come up with for Diaw. You don’t have to reach this far to find something bad to say about the guy.

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Dude, let's just drop it. I'm tired of you taking EVERYTHING out of context.

I NEVER said that sole play was the ONLY reason I’d prefer a more powerful presence in the paint. Listen, I get it, you’re the head of the Diaw fan-club.

FELICITATIONS!!!

You can glue in on one comment and ignore everything else I said, that’s cool. But it doesn’t change the fact that unfortunately in life people sometimes won’t always agree with you. Sorry man. I’d prefer a more traditional C/PF, you don’t, it’s cool.

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by southtunnel on Dec 30, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

It's all love and respect man

Increase the peace.

But honestly, I think you’re the one taking my words out of context. I can’t see where you’ve at all acknowledged that Diaw has had two great games so far this year.

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 30, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

How can I take my own words out of context?

You’re the one responding to me. Is it all over 2 measly games that you’re so up into this? He had one great game, then one great half against the Heat. Then he turned the ball over a lot and was late defending the game winning shot.

Not to say he sucks and doesn’t deserve a fan club and all… But that’s how I see it.

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by southtunnel on Dec 30, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

You're taking my words out of context

That’s what I said. I didn’t say you took your own words out of context.

If you read above, you’ll see the reason’s I’ve given to explain Diaw’s performance, and you’ll see that he’s played well (not triple doubles every night but still above average basketball) at other points in his career. I’ve also said that he’s been a real disapointment for the past few seasons, especially lacking aggression to get rebounds and score effectively. You’re the one ignoring that. So yes, I think it’s a bit hypocritical to say I’m taking words out of context when you’re ignoring a lot of what I’ve said.

I fear this is getting ugly, so please read this clearly: We’re all Bobcats fans and I respect you. I’m happy to disagree respectfully, but if you say something that doesn’t quite make sense, I’m going to bring it up. I expect other people to do the same with me.

Now let’s hope Diaw doesn’t lose his fire and enjoy watching the rest of the season. It’s all love, homey.

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 30, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 30, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

What happens is we play better with Boris than we do without.

It’s simple as that. It’s funny that now we are in the mindset of using “how Boris does against the best center in the league” to determine if he’s any good or not.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Kinda funny.

If you put any player against “the best”, they don’t seem to do as well as they would against normal competition.

We can’t have “the best” player in each spot. We are going to be suboptimal in various places. Even the amazing Heat are only the best in two positions.

by Tim Rudisill on Dec 29, 2011 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol. Exactly.

We already know Dwight gonna be smashing Boris inside. It’s not fair South!! Lol.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

My point was that we'll likely put scrubs on him (Diop and Biyombo)

Because Diaw is not good at playing his actual position.

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by southtunnel on Dec 29, 2011 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

But he's a PF.

He doesn’t have many issues guarding PFs around the league.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually that's not true at all

Hendo is known for defending really well against players that are much better than him. That’s one of the ways he’s climbed the latter. Same can be said for Wallace and even Jack at times… But not Diaw.

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by southtunnel on Dec 29, 2011 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

We do what we've been doing...

And don’t play to their strengths, but to ours. Don’t let Dwight get situated down low. Mullens also is big enough to tackle him. Get Biyombo in there to frazzle him. Keep the team on the run and moving.

Sure, 1 on 1, Dwight Howard would kill Diaw. However it’s a team effort. And it’s not always about who’s strongest. Strategy plays a big part.

by jkp1516 on Dec 29, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Grades are much better then last time.

Player Grades
Corey Maggette: F – Need to trade him for a draft. save money

D.J. Augustin: B

Boris Diaw: B

Gerald Henderson Grade: A-

D.J. White: C

Kemba Walker: A-

Bismack Biyombo: C+ sill not balanced

Byron Mullens: B-

Derrick Brown: D

Matt Carroll: F need to waive him. Terrible

by LovePanthers on Dec 29, 2011 7:03 PM EST reply actions  

If we are going to trade Diaw, this is the time.

We should package Diaw and Maggette to Washington for Rashard Lewis and a first round pick. We get a 20 million dollar expiring contract, they get a more productive SF and an expiring contract of Diaw.

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by T-TIME, I MEAN DUNK TIME on Dec 29, 2011 8:09 PM EST reply actions  

I haven't looked at the free agency list for next year.

Are there players that we want to target at that point?

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Wasn't he on the board when we selected DJ?

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by southtunnel on Dec 29, 2011 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Hell no.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions  

He went 5th that year.

We went 9th and passed up on Lopez. But I’m back to saying we didn’t miss too much. When DJ plays like he’s been playing, I say f*** Lopez. Hope he can keep it up.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, he's not going anywhere.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 29, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Sup Brah?

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by arodgb on Dec 29, 2011 9:53 PM EST reply actions  

Actually

I could’ve cut out the first four seconds. Sorry, people. And click the bold wording if you don’t wanna see eight seconds of pure awesomeness.

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by arodgb on Dec 29, 2011 9:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha, I love the clip

but didn’t Bosh end up scoring right after the block?

by Basketball Rambler on Dec 29, 2011 11:11 PM EST up reply actions  

He got fouled

/Killjoy. :-P

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by arodgb on Dec 29, 2011 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

lol I was kidding

but thanks man.

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