Bobcats-Hawks preseason game recap (of sorts)
by Ben Swanson on Dec 19, 2011 10:45 PM EST
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PrintI'm not going to do a traditional recap for a preseason game, so I'll keep it brief.
- Kemba looked good. He shot poorly for most of the night, but picked his shot selection very well and was constantly aware of where his teammates were. I liked how he was able to create in the midrange. Further, his ability to get to the line is desperately needed by this team. He was particularly -- oh, what do the kids call it these days? oh yeah -- clutch, as time wound down and he squeezed between three Hawks big men in the paint to lay up a floater over them to put the Bobcats on top. Not a perfect performance, not one to declare him the next coming of the point god over, but good. Now let's see what he can do at the end of a real NBA game, in real crunch time.
- Tyrus Thomas went down with a mild left ankle sprain, and did not return. X-rays were negative, but he's going to sit out the following preseason game as well as a precaution.
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Loved Kemba
D.J. porbably wasnt playing as hard as he could so ot going to hold him to anything. But if I have to pessimistic about anyone its TT. I mean it is a preseason game and it is too soon to make assumptions on any player but we need a bigger and stronger PF (Biyombo) who doesnt hold onto the ball and can put his back to the baskett. Henderson looked about the same as last year but pnce again I dont think you saw him playing at a high level. And is it possible our new C Boris Diaw wants to play in his contract year?
It's a great thing we have a glut of PFs
Cause I’m starting to think that Tyrus Thomas will have a very shortened career due to that knee. Don’t think he’ll last.
Thomas isn't going anywhere.
He’s too expensive and not good enough to move in the trade market, and it’s not like we’re going to amnesty or cut him.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 20, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
DJ needed to step up every minute
He is about to lose his job.
by LovePanthers on Dec 23, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
Sloppy but good game
The younger Griffin impressed me… he looked like he realy wants to make the final roster
by rscott94 on Dec 19, 2011 11:05 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I wouldn’t mind signing Griffin and Ismail Muhammad to replace Dante.
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by MMA_PITBULL on Dec 19, 2011 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
We have 15 spots filled out right now
We dont have to sign Ely though so we can only choose one player and it will either be Uzoh or Griffin (should be Griffin)
We as many bigs as possible..He looked in great shape as well. Dude is big. Great effort player as well. Anybody know anything about the 7’0 we traded for today?
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by MMA_PITBULL on Dec 19, 2011 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
Mullens never got a great chance in OKC
He will get good miniutes behind Boris and hopefully could develop into a good backup
Kwame didn’t exactly light these boards or the fanbase up last year but it proved to be a great pick up. I trust this staff and Cho to do the right thing. Hopefully he can contribute.
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by MMA_PITBULL on Dec 19, 2011 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
Id believe so…Cho was in OKC until 2010 where he left to work for Portland . Mullens was drafted in 2009 so he had to be their when they made the pick.
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by MMA_PITBULL on Dec 19, 2011 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
No.
Sam Presti did.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 20, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
He's basically a tall white stiff.
Good in HS where that’s all you need, mediocre in college where you can sometimes get by with just that (9-5-1 as a freshman), and then hasn’t done anything in the league because he hasn’t developed any skill to go with his size. He was decidedly not ready for the NBA when he declared, and didn’t improve in an organization noted for its patience and ability to develop projects. But he’s probably an upgrade on what we had to backup the 5 (Thomas or Biyombo?), and Silas may be able to squeeze five or ten good minutes a game out of him.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 20, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
I mean
You can factor in that Aldrich, White, Ibaka and then Perkins had something to do with him not getting playing time.
If he's not as good as DJ White...
His NBA career’s not going to be very long.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Was the #1 overall recruit coming out of high school.
Left OSU early.
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by KaiserBromley on Dec 22, 2011 2:32 AM EST up reply actions
That's a bit of a stretch.
He was #1 for Rivals, but he was more like #8 when all the services were considered.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 22, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
Ahh, I hadn't realized that.
Thanks for the info MP.
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by KaiserBromley on Dec 27, 2011 4:12 AM EST up reply actions
I know you like Griffin, but come on
We only have 2 PGs, 2 SGs, and 2 healthy SFs. We have 7 bigs. We MUST use the last roster spot on a guard or SG/SF. There really is no other option. What happens if Kemba, DJ, or Hendo goes down with an injury?
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by Bring Back Primoz on Dec 20, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
I just want the better player
Griffin is more of a SF to me and Williams will not be out that long and out of the 4 guards not hurt the only one that has ever been hurt is Henderson. Neither Kemba or DJ have ever been hurt and im talking about Kemba in college. Williams will not be out long and honestly if you want a taller PG put Boris out there. Look im not going to cuss and fight if Griffin is cut but if you take Uzoh who i personally think doesnt really offer anything to this team because he doesnt do anything but dribble the ball up the court and give it to someone else and you take him over Griffin for need then your letting a better player go and letting better opportunities for your team. But yes we need another G but it should be another FA not Uzoh.
Griffin is a fringe NBA player
Otherwise, he wouldn’t be scraping out a tryout on a non-guaranteed contract for one of the worst teams in the league. What good does it do to add him as the 8th big man on the roster? We need to fill the 15th spot with need because if one of our PGs gets hurt, I’d rather have Uzoh dribbling up the court than Griffin.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Dec 20, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Uzoh is a fringe NBA player as well
Im just looking at I think Griffin will offer more to the team then Uzoh. If we want to get another G find another one besides Uzoh becuase Uzoh offers nothing but a roster to an NBA team. He has no spark or does nothing well. So if you dont want Griffin then fine but dont take Uzoh over him because thats just a mistake.
I don't care about Uzoh at all
I’m just saying the 15th roster spot has to go to someone who can play PG in a pinch.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Dec 20, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
I agree
Im just willing to go with 2 because neither have a history with injuries and it is a shortened season. We only have 2 SF’s and I think that Maggette or Brown have a better chance at being injured then any guard and right now the only player on the roster that could play SF is Williams. We have no SG then can also play SF and we have no PF that can play SF. I think Paul Silas would do with Griffin what he did with Dante and make him a SF and I think Griffin can be successful at SF. My own opinion is I dont mind going in with 2 PG’s with our team because we are not looking to be competitive and I would rather take the best player with the most potential even if there isnt a whole lot. Also if we keep Griffin it will be a one year minimmum and if Kemba or DJ go down or if Hendo or Matt get hurt before Williams is back we can just cut Taylor.
I understand
In a perfect world, you want a roster with 3 of each 5 positions. I think we’re too thin at PG, SG, and SF but from watching the Cats since the beginning, there always seems to be a point in the season where PGs get banged up and we are in dire straits when it happens. I would prefer a combo guard (PG/SG) because it halfway addresses our depth issues at PG and SG.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Dec 20, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
I know
I guess the only argument I have for that is like I said it is a short season and we could just cut Taylor if needed. We will just have to see what happens, whens cut day?
Not your money, though...
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 20, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
You know who is not a fringe NBA player who is a reliable SF?
LARRY BROWN ENDORSED!
by Aisander D on Dec 20, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
With the trade for Mullens and the signing of Biyombo...
I think Diaw will see time as a 4/3 (in that order), rather than 5/4, as has been discussed.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 20, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed
Especially if the T-Time spends his time nursing injuries on the bench
How IS his ankle?
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by andrewlail76 on Dec 20, 2011 5:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Uhh...Williams is out at least through January.
That’s over a quarter of the season.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 20, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Huh?
Ely’s already under contract.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 20, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
Interesting...
But still, I don’t see them being willing to go into the season with Mullens as the #2 center.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 20, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Is he?
I think he’s probably #3, behind Biyombo and Diop.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 20, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
They're not going to let Biyombo be the starter either if they know what's good for them.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 20, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
He'll be #4 then?
Behind Diaw, Diop, and Biyombo.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 20, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Stop with the Dio[
Signing Ely and Mullens basically is putting Diop at the bottom of the pecking order. He needs to spend some time getting into shape and rehabilitating before even stepping back on the court. Its not healthy to be in that kind of shape with that type of injury at that height. Diop will not be in front of Mullens unless he does p90x
Hmm, you're probably right.
I guess the depth chart at C will be
- - Diaw
- - Biyombo
- - Mullens
- - Diop
(Ely isn’t going to make the team)
by Panthers FTW on Dec 20, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
i imagine
the signing of mullens makes biymobo thomas’ backup moreso than diaw’s, at least for now
I hope not.
If we drafted Biyombo to play PF then it’s a waste of a pick. PF is the most populated position in the NBA (a fact we should know thanks to our derth of PFs).
by Panthers FTW on Dec 20, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
oh i'm just talking temporarily
and even then, if we draft Drummond/Davis/Sullinger next season, should we be so lucky, what’s he gonna be then?
however, he needs to put on more weight to be a C in the NBA right now, otherwise we’re just feeding him to the lions
for his confidence and development, it makes more sense to play him at PF where he’s less likely to get injured/dominated
Biyombo's BMI is comparable to other rookie centers
but all indications suggest that he’ll play the 4 for now.
Pretty much ever big coming into the NBA needs for big bigger, but his mobility, length, and strength should give him the versatility to play both positions.
by Basketball Rambler on Dec 20, 2011 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
I will be literally shocked if Ely isn't on the roster.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
i bet he turns out to be better than
turnover-Time.
Ha...
Way to set the bar low for our #7 draft pick.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
Great start!!!
Kemba=killa
Pumped to think about Biyombo, Maggs, Mullens, and R-Will added to the mix.
Salivating when I think of those dudes mixed with Barnes/Drummond/Davis.
Just maybe, maybe, talking a big time FA into Charlotte ballin ain’t to big of a pipe dream!?!?
by mives36 on Dec 19, 2011 11:25 PM EST via mobile reply actions
No, it's still too big of a pipe dream.
A team of young players which will have accomplished nothing but an ~.250 season is not going to attract any good player to play in this market.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 20, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
It is this year.
But we never know whats going to happen in the future.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 20, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
I know it was game one and preseason with zero legs but Kemba is going to be hard to keep off the court….I would not be shocked if DJ is traded sometime before the dead line. We can get a back up PG…one who isn’t short and can defend most likely. We don’t need two small scoring guards…Kemba being the better of the two
Derrick Brown welcome back! 8! offensive rebounds. Diop looked awful as expected. Tryus had some nice range hope he is ok. Can’t wait to see Biz a lot of times tonight i think he gets a lock if he is in the game. Diop was always a second off from getting one and he is fat
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...because nothing says "range" like Thomas' 3-14 performance.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 20, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
He was playing well early
and then he started to play a little bit out of control. More often than not, the offense came to a grinding halt when the ball was in his hands. Hopefully that’s something he’ll be willing to work on. If not, he’ll be useless.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 20, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Isn't that one of the things he's been "working on" for years?
This is his SIXTH year. When do we accept that Tyrus Thomas is what he is? He’s had his chances before, and he’s never been so much as able to hold down a spot in a starting lineup. How many players blossom after this much mediocrity?
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 20, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Ya TT has been known for playing out of control.
He is very athletic. Unfortunately he doesn’t seem to have too much going on “up there.”
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It's not like we have much other choice but to hope MP.
He had by far the best season of his career last season, better than anyone else on our roster, so there is certainly some hope. He’s under contract for the next few seasons will no way out, so we have to support one of our most talented players.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 20, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
If your best season is 41 games of 10-5 basketball and you're being counted on (and paid) as a starter...
That’s a HUGE problem.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
There is no reason to gripe about it at this point.
Because there is literally nothing we can do about it.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 21, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
So you're asking for blind loyalty.
I get that. But it is not (and will never be) who I am as a fan.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
I understand that.
And while I know you like to make your frustrations audibly known, it seems like it’d be best for everyone’s sanity if it didn’t become a recurring theme since, as I’ve said, faith and patience in T-Time is currently the only logical route we can take.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 21, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
We can trade him
Denver needs a PF. I dont think they are set yet on Faried. As a matter of fact alot of teams need a PF…Hey Im just saying that it isnt the only option.
That's fine.
What would they realistically give us and would we want it?
by Panthers FTW on Dec 21, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
My take
The Bobcats have been severely lacking one thing since their inception- a player who can create his own shot. Gerald could score, Jax could score but both of them need to expend a huge amount of energy to get a look, and even then most of the time it was contested.
For whatever reason, his speed, his basketball IQ or his ability Kemba Walker is able to create his own shot and get excellent looks. The question now becomes ‘can he finish?’ personally I’m not concerned about that, but we wont know for sure until he’s in a real game with real regular season pressure, against real NBA starters.
For one day though I liked what I saw
Actually you'd per surprised
Here is his scoring breakdown from when he was here:
66% jump shots (75% assisted)
29% close (38% assisted)
4% dunk (75% assisted)
1% tips (0% assisted)
This makes his grand total 63.5% of his scoring came off assists, 36.5% were shots he created himself. That’s really not the mark of a player who can do it on his own.
by James Dator on Dec 20, 2011 12:51 AM EST up reply actions
how does that compare to other all-star level
and above shooting gaurds though?
Here's Dwayne Wade from last year
61% jump shots (31% assisted)
30% close (38% assisted)
7% dunk (57% assisted)
1% tips (0% assisted)
So that makes his ratio 34.3% assisted, 65.7% shots he created himself. A huge difference
Doesnt matter.
In 6 to 8 weeks, we’ll see what Ive been raving about with Williams. He does well creating his own shot. Im not comparing him to Kobe or MJ by no means but his game style is similar. But he can shoot the 3 alot better than them both. Again Im not comparing him to them but he can really create his own shot and not afraid to shoot. This would be great with Kemba and Maggette. I hope Mullens gets to start and Diaw goes back to PF…from what everyone was saying, he’d be more deadly if he could both pass the ball outside and inside…
Yeah, his deadeye shooting touch was clearly apparent.
And if Mullens is our starting center, we won’t win ten games.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 20, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
The player to lead both teams in scoring???
Kemba Walker with 18. Was it all pretty? Nope. Was it against ATL’s best effort? Nope. But it doesn’t matter… Rookies aren’t suppose win games for you and lead in scoring in their first ever NBA action.
How appropriate that Kemba and Cam Newton both sport #1?
This is how I roll, animal print pants out control.
how awesome was it during the game and post game to hear about Cam and comparisons to Kemba…Charlotte sports got some stars and future is looking bright
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by MMA_PITBULL on Dec 19, 2011 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
Both will be great fantasy options on teams that aren't actually doing anything?
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 20, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Both great fantasy options on teams that are building towards the future.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 20, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sure that's what Detroit fans told themselves about Roy Williams and Charles Rodgers.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
Roy Williams and Charles Rodgers didn't play the two most important positions on their team.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 21, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, so you mean Joey Harrington, then.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Joey Harrington has never had anywhere close to as positive a season as Cam Newton has had.
And we don’t know about Kemba, yet.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 21, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
5-9≠positive.
Unless you’re talking about some kind of bizarro world. Are they tanking again to get a draft pick that will actually make the team relevant next year?
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
I really don't want to talk about the Panthers here, but I will.
You can’t blame Cam Newton for the record. Why? Because he’s taken the league’s worst offense to one that ranks in the Top 10 in many, many other categories. The reason the Panthers are 5-9 is due to the defense, because they’ve given up so many points and are missing their star linebacker in Beason.
Honestly Micheal, if you are too entrenched in your opinion to be able to appreciate the positive strides the Panthers have made this season and are unable to acknowledge how impressive Cam Newton has been this season, then there really isn’t any reason to debate this.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 21, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
He's also thrown more back-breaking interceptions to lose games than I can count.
He has lost a TON of second-half leads by not leading sustained drives and keeping the defense off the field.
His numbers in the fourth quarter are MISERABLE.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
Disagree all you want...but here are the stats.
Cam Newton:
Third Quarter-53/88, 713 yds, 1 TD, 6 INT, 61.4 rating
Fourth Quarter-86/154, 1,186 yds., 4 TD, 5 INT, 75.8 rating
Fourth Quarter w/score within 1 TD-40/80, 517 yds., 2 TD, 2 INT, 68.6 rating
When the heat is on, Newton runs away. I guess that makes Walker superior to him in that aspect, huh?
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
He's a rookie, no one says there isn't room for improvement.
Your penchant for focusing on negatives seems to make it hard for you to notice the positives.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 21, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
He throws a great jump ball for Steve Smith to have to make plays on?
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
Your a joke
If you want to hate on Kmeba then go ahead but when ever you start hating on a player who has proven he will be a franchise QB and be great one in Cam you are pathetic and one of the dumbest people to ever watch sports. I honestly hope your just a sick person that likes pissing people off because I would hate if there is someone so dumb that they think Cam is a bad QB. I hope you go and start this crap with people at CSR and if you have I would have loved to see those people who actually know something about football rip your balls off you ignorant prick.
Lol.
It gets real on here.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 21, 2011 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
If im not mistaken he is banned from CSR
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 22, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
Yes
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by MMA_PITBULL on Dec 22, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
...says the guy hurling personal attacks.
Ha.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 22, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
Nobody's proven anything on a losing team.
I bet you’re a big Timmy Chang fan? Or is it Graham Harrell who’s your boy?
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 22, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
You can root for them and acknowledge they are not a good team.
Those two facts are not mutually exclusive.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 22, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
We know they are not good
But you are trying to tell everyone Kemba sucks whenever he has never played an NBA game.
And that Cam sucks because he cant make the worst team in the league a playoff team in one year. Your argument are the stupidest things I have ever heard and you need to learn about the sports you talk about and learn about how to evaluate talent.
Forget the fact that Manning was 3-13 in his rookie season and led the league in INTs
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by Bring Back Primoz on Dec 22, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
You're not a fan, you're a troll
I usually don’t get this direct with people, but it’s very clear. If you still think Cam is a bust after he’s broken so many records and done so many great things for his team, then you’re just ignorant to the point of stupidity. Manning threw 28 INTs his rookie year. Newton is going to have most passing yards and rushing yards ever for a rookie QB. He has the most ever TDs for a QB in NFL history. He is likely going to be the first QB to ever throw for 4,000 and run for 500 in the same season. He’s accounted for more TDs than any rookie in NFL history. He’s leading all rookies in completion percentage.
You’re being ignorant and apparently can’t bear to admit the fact that you got that one wrong.
You know who else was really high on those rookie passing lists?
Chris Weinke. The team is 5-9, and could easily end up 5-11. All he’s shown is he’s a great fantasy pick. The point of sports is to WIN GAMES. Newton hasn’t done that.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 22, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
...That's an absolutely ridiculous argument
Teams win games, not individual players. If you think Cam is a bust because his team has a losing record then you really are not a very intelligent “fan.” He was the number 1 overall pick. You expect him to turn the team into a playoff contender from day one in order to be considered a success?
He is just saying anything to make himself sound right
Its hard for someone to admit when they are beaten
That's what I figured
From what I’ve seen, he’s a lot like commenters on sites like ESPN. Very dead set in his opinions and will nitpick at flaws instead of admitting he got it wrong. Seems like a bandwagon fan that sticks around through troubled times to kick everyone while they’re down.
Right.
That explains why I’ve been there every season since ’95. Cool story, bro.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 22, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Some people just dont like to root for their team
They want to be negative and ruin everyone elses experiences because they cant get their heads around the fact that sometimes they are wrong.
Some other people also feel a need to define other people's lives based on their own standards.
Little God complex there, huh buddy?
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 22, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
Lmao.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 22, 2011 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
Yes. That's the entire point of the #1 pick.
They’re supposed to come in and make your team BETTER.
Denver has also doubled their wins and will win their division because of their first-round pick playing well and MAKING AN IMPACT.
San Francisco will win their division because of their first-round pick playing well and MAKING AN IMPACT.
Cincinnati has doubled their wins and can make the playoffs because of their first- (and second-) round pick(s) playing well and MAKING AN IMPACT.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 22, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
We have 2.5 times as many wins as last year
We’ll probably end up tripling our win total from last year. We had the biggest offensive turnaround in NFL history. I’d say that’s making the team better.
We're going to be out of the playoffs, unlike all those other teams who were nearly as bad last year.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 22, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
Soooooooo
Making our offense top 5 from last is not making it better.
Doubling our win percentage and an extra game isnt making us better at all you are right.
How dare one man not make us a superbowl contender from the worst team in the league.
FUCK CAM NEWTON THAT TALENTLESS LOSER!!!!!!!
you guys are just as ignorant as him for arguing over it. Their is a reason he is talking football on a basketball blog…..
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Do you guys think we have a shot at playoffs?
Or will be mediocre again? Personally I dont think so because we only scored 79 and it was against a mediocre Hawks team that wasnt trying but I was wondering if you guys still think we are top 5 pick bound.
Well considering it was game one and we are missing a lot of players that wont be back till later on i say..i have no freaking clue.Silas seems to believe around Late Feb March we will click an catch teams off guard. 33 games after March 1st so really it will be a while before we see where we shake out. First month teams are just going to be getting their legs
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by MMA_PITBULL on Dec 19, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
This is a preseason game, and is no way indicative of the actual season...
In comparison to other teams, we have little actual talent. I expect us to have a high lottery pick.
by jkp1516 on Dec 20, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
this is going to be a really good draft so we should be able to come away with a player who can help us right away regardless where we finish. Lottery is likely though
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by MMA_PITBULL on Dec 20, 2011 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah
I think we’ll make a push but the first few weeks of the season will be the reason we just barely miss it. If Kemba can keep up this performance (preseason or not) and Williams finds his touch and Maggette is just a tad bit close to how he played in teh Impact League. We could be shooting for something. I still think Mullens needs to get some time STARTING at center for the first couple of regular season games.
Unless, of course, Jordan screws up the pick again.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 20, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Going to be pretty hard to screw up picks 1-3.
It’s pretty much Barnes, Davis, and Drummond and nobody else.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 20, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
no way barnes is a top 3 pick
unless he kills it in the tourney
Well, it's beween Davis and Drummond then.
I disagree, mainly because I don’t know who else is more highly sout after than Barnes.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 20, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Barnes stock is dropping by the game
and the sad part is he’s probably top 5 projected. Stacked draft but its still kinda overrated
I don't want Barnes.
Haven’t been impressed with him. But in drafts, potential still wins over everything.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 20, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
If we dont have a top 5 pick then I wouldnt mind him
But im getting scared of him now. Andre Drummond or Davis are the best we could get. If we get Drummond we can play BB at PF and if we get Davis we can move BB to C.
NBAD.net has him at #5, DX at #3.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
Who would you draft if we got the #1 pick?
by Panthers FTW on Dec 21, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
Probably Sullinger, assuming he gets through the season without any more injury issues.
We need a monster in the post who can have an impact on both ends of the floor with size and skill, and I believe he’s that guy.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Sullinger wouldn't be a bad pick, I guess his injuries have made him out of sigh and out of mind.
Honestly, I doubt we could go wrong with any player if we manage to get the first overall pick.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 21, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
If it was me
I’d trade the pick. Let them get Tyrus and we take Beasley. But since Be-eazy would be a FA, it wouldnt work. I really want him on our team.
Trading a Top-3 pick would be the utmost worst thing we could do Focus.
I don’t know if you’ve noticed Basketball Rambler’s posts recently, but he’s shown that there is a correlation between Top 5 picks and NBA titles.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 21, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
Plus rookies play on relatively cheap contracts for 4 years
And small market teams have to feast on those reasonable deals.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Dec 21, 2011 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
If we make the playoffs, we don't get a pick
It goes to the Bulls. We HAVE to tank this year.
We won't even challenge .500.
This team is going to be god-awful.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 20, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
I'm curious about how good we really will be.
I think we’ll pretty terrible, but if Kemba is better than imagined then we might win more games than I think. This season’s success basically hands on Kemba.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 20, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
Hawks fan here. I was @ the game tonight and Kemba reminds me of another Huskie, Ben Gordon.
Not sure if that’s a good thing or bad thing for the Cats. His most impressive moves to me was the missed dunk and and a missed layup in which he streaked in the lane past 3 Hawks and just missed.
He reminds me of Gordon
A lot as well but he plays a helluva lot more disciplined. Gordon is a chucker in love with the three ball while Kemba aggressively attacks the lane and looks to make a living at the line. They compare, but Gordon isn’t as efficient as their differences will give Kemba the opportunity to be.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 20, 2011 1:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
i can see the comparisons…i love his aggressiveness. Him getting us into the bonus early and often will really keep us in games
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My thoughts exactly.
It’ll keep the game at a slow pace and give our team a chance to stay in it. As seen against the Hawks, we are way too young to play at the speed they do because it leads to a ton of turnovers for us.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 20, 2011 8:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sounds about right.
Except, as a score-only player, we know Gordon can actually shoot.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 20, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
No reason to take veiled shots at Kemba before he plays his first regular season game.
If Kemba is able to get to the FT line as consistently as he did last night, we’ll be able to live through his poorer shooting games.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 20, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
We know Kemba can shoot
In his first game where he was nervous and had to take alot more shots with no good players on the floor what do you expect?
Do we?
We’ve now had a chance to see him against NBA competition, and mostly D-League caliber scrubs, at that. Wasn’t that what everybody was begging for? He went 4-13, flubbing jumpers, layups, and dunks.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not using this against you
but can we really make any statements on a player based on one preseason game, either good or bad? I don’t think that would be prudent.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Dec 21, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
Sure.
I gave my observations of his play, which backed up my previously-held beliefs. He confirmed the weaknesses I saw from him in college, as I’ve been saying for months. It’s got nothing to do with one preseason game.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Buuuut, you're ignoring his positives, as I've mentioned.
Getting to the FT line is an important skill (the only reason Maggette ever got the contract he got) and he was able to create space by himself to create his own shot. Those are two HUGE pluses based on one preseason game.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 21, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
I agree, that's fine.
But if our POINT guard can do nothing on offense but drive the basket and get fouled, we’re screwed. His job is to set up his teammates for success. And “creating” a shot you jack up and brick isn’t a skillset. Any yahoo can do that.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
I agree that is a big red flag. However, different PGs do different things.
I’ll direct you to something I wrote awhile ago that addresses this:
Kemba is the player I’m most bullish about, mainly because I don’t see a role he plays if he doesn’t magically blossom into a superstar. He’s not talented enough as a distributor to play second fiddle to a star, and until I see it, we can’t be sure one way or another about his ability to score at this level. If everything goes right with him, he could become the Russell Westbrook to our Kevin Durant. If not, I just hope he’s shown enough that even if he isn’t seen as a “star” he’ll still garner enough interest to net us more assets.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 21, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
So why are you arguing with me?
Your hope is that he magically becomes a star when all the evidence suggests it’s not going to happen.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
Because I saw some very positive things in his first game.
He’s never going to become a PG known for his distribution, but if he’s able to continue doing what he did Tuesday, I think he could almost certainly become a Westbrook-esque player.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 21, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
By dashing into the lane every time he touches the ball and praying for a foul call?
He might get those whistles against the Magnum Rolles and Pape Sys and Brad Wanamakers of the world, but not against guys who will actually play in the regular season this year. And P.S.: Westbrook took exactly ONE year in the league to become an 8 APG player. When do you see Walker getting there? My vote is for never.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
That's hyperbole and you know it Micheal.
Getting to the FT line is a tangible skill and, to quote you,
He’s done it in 100% of the games he’s played for us.
He needs to prove me wrong and prove you right. I’m the one on the high ground here.
Westbrook also had the luxury of getting to pass to Kevin Durant his entire career. While I doubt Kemba will develop into a player who gets 8+ assists per game (and if he’s able to get a Durant-like offensive talent paired with him, he might), I can see him being able to fill up the scoreboard offensively like Westbrook.
As I look at Westbrook’s stats, I can honestly see that as a similar player he could develop into. 20+ ppg, 7+ FTA, 40%+ shooting. Will he? I don’t know, but I’m willing to hope he can.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 21, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe
But Augustin never has and never will sniff 8 APG either. And plenty of people on here defend him as a “great distributor”, basically because he doesn’t turn it over. Doesn’t do anything to create any offense either, but he’s very effective at dribbling it down and making a pass to the wing. I’m betting Kemba very quickly becomes more effective running this offense than DJ ever will. Will Kemba be an All-Star? Who knows. Is he an upgrade at PG? Definitely.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Dec 21, 2011 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know about that. Augustin got 6.1 assists passing to the likes of Kwame Brown and Gerald Henderson.
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by FirstCat on Dec 21, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Never will sniff 8, huh?
How about the last month of the season LAST YEAR, when he averaged 7.5 in the final eight games? That was also against just 1.9 turnovers for a nearly 4:1 A:TO ratio that Walker will also never touch. Too small a sample size for you? How about November of last year, when his numbers were 7.7 and 1.3 over 14 games? That’s an even more stellar 5.92 A:TO ratio. I will willingly admit Augustin has his flaws and has times where he struggles to choose between scoring and distributing, but he’s miles ahead of Walker in the department.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 22, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not trying to hate on DJ
But you just proved that the best month of his career didn’t get to 8 APG, much less over the course of a season.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Dec 22, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
Your claim was that he would never "sniff" 8 APG.
When, in fact, he’s ALREADY DONE IT! On a bad team. With limited experience as a starter.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 22, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
Sure he did it
In the final 8 meaningless games of the season! How dare I not recognize that! He averaged 6 for the season, period.
My biggest beef with DJ, and you acknowledged it above, is that he is slow in making decisions. I think his A/TO ratio is a bit overstated by some. Sure, he doesn’t turn it over much. But that’s because he is so cautious and insistent on not turning it over, that he doesn’t actually do anything positive either. 6 APG for a starter is nothing to write home about.
In fact, DJ’s best assist average only beats Felton’s rookie season(when he wasn’t starting) and I think we can all agree Felton wasn’t a great PG. I know you’re a numbers guy and the numbers say we aren’t going anywhere with Augustin as our PG. We may not with Kemba either, only time will tell. But for me, the Augustin experience has run its course.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Dec 22, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
Double double.
I pity the fool talking about bringing him back for the minimum wasn’t a good deal.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 20, 2011 1:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hey cut Diop...waive Ely..y?
Because THIS GUY JUST GOT CUT FROM N.O…
He’ll be cheap as heck and he’s very skilled:
Really?
I feel like aged 7 footers aren’t gonna help a lot even if they are cheap. See entries; Pryzbilla, Joel Ratliff, Theo.
by Jern Dough on Dec 20, 2011 1:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
This is a different kind of 7ft
He’s not an injury recovering old guy. He’s only been in the league for about 3yrs. So his body hasnt been through the wear and tear of other 31yr olds. Look at Anthony Parker (35 but doesnt really have an effect on his body bc he has been in the league less than Lebron). We need some type of veteran. Ely is injured. Diop just needs a year or so to get himself together plus he’s injured. Diaw’s value will drop if he spends most of his minutes at center. Anderson can take a one year contract. He’s 7ft. 250. Has a great outside shot and excellent footwork. Has been playing great ball in the euroleague so he’s warmed up and ready for play. He is what we should want Mullens to eventually be. I say we sign him for a year. It wont hurt. But Im not buying this Diaw/Center stuff. Anderson is also ready to START. BB/Mullens can back him up. Mullens needs just as much development time as BB. And judging by what everyone was saying about Thomas, he isnt ready to start at PF either.
You must not watch much basketball if you think that
David Anderson would be a good fit for our team
Honestly
other than being 31, whats wrong with him? He’s experienced? Check. He can score from anywhere on the court? Check. Has great footwork under the basket? Check. 7ft’r? Check. Is he better than Diop? Check. Younger than Ely? Check. Will he be cheap? Check. Do we have a GLARING need for a center? Check. Does he have a bad history of injury? Nope. Everybody on the team isnt going to be 22. He’s played for playoff teams and he’s a veteran. So tell me what you want our Center pickup to be other than “young”… You must not watch much basketball if you think Diaw should be at center AT ALL…
Actually diaw works at center, although I wish we could use him at sf
But he draws the opposing center out and is still big enough to bang in the post on D
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by MikeTrain on Dec 20, 2011 2:10 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
David Anderson is not a center
He plays like a small forward. He can play power forward. You put him at center and we will give up 100 points in the paint per game
by GOBOBCATS24 on Dec 20, 2011 3:54 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Which isn't much different than if we have to do it with Thomas.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 20, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
I doubt Thomas will see many minutes at C this year.
Assuming all our big men don’t blow their knees and achilles.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 20, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Funny, that a guy who can "score from anywhere on the court" would have a career average less than 5 PPG.
Oh, wait, it must be one of those NBA conspiracies you always talk about. Is it because he’s foreign? And no, he hasn’t been on playoff “teams.” He played for the Hornets last year. Period.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 20, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Isnt that a playoff team?
Did he get the minutes? Nope. So do one of those PER 36 things you always do and tell me what it comes out to.
i think he was saying that he
has only played for 1 playoff team, not multiple teams
why he chose to split hairs about that one specific thing is beyond me, but it is what it is
David Andersen does have "Championship" experience in lesser European Leagues
but he is definately on the decline of his career and doesn’t fit with our rebuilding plans at all.
Best case scenario for Andersen would be a solid bench stretch 4 with his ability to shoot the midrange and 3pt shot, but he is at best an average defender and rebounder for his size, and is definately a finess 4 than a power 4.
I don’t see him being the answer for us at the 5 (even though he is better than Ely, and probably Diop with his conditioning issues at the moment).
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In his 40 games at ~10 mpg in the past 2 seasons. He has been playing pro for 13 years and a 7 foot frame is not easy to maintain ( Yao Ming is younger than Andersen). I just don’t see how adding another 4 that can play 5 is gonna do anything but sap valuable PT away from developing players. Unless as I have previously theorized, Focus is Larry Brown.
by Jern Dough on Dec 20, 2011 2:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Its the same as putting Diaw
at center. I’d rather have a 7ft offensive PF/C than a 6’8 SF/PF playing center. I like the idea bc its unique but its kinda like a wildcat offense. I dont think it will last/work after a couple of games. Plus Diaw def needs to start at PF bc Tyrus isnt ready yet. Hell, I’d go as far as to say that Derrick Brown is a better PF at this point.
Diaw has a contract
And we have Diop/Ely/Biyombo/Brown/Thomas/Mullens also at 4/5 why do we need another? I hate to say it but if Tim Tebow works in the NFL, why can’t Point Center Boris Diaw get us above. 500 you just gotta BELIEVE. Enjoy Boris having a wide open layup and kicking it to Reggie Williams for that uncontested 3, its gonna be wacky and probably look not so good sometimes, but if we are gonna play small ball anyways why not commit fully?
by Jern Dough on Dec 20, 2011 2:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Right
by the way T-WILL 14pt 9rebs the other night….Ok ok ok Im sorry. I just had to do that….
LOL
As you say, it is the preseason. I don’t know that MJ would let him keep his infamous twitter account either, which personally I enjoy a whole lot more than I would his presence on the Bobcats.
by Jern Dough on Dec 20, 2011 2:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
You must be joking.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 20, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
See any other options?
It will be entertaining more than likely, and isn’t that all you can ask for from a rebuilding team.
by Jern Dough on Dec 20, 2011 12:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
We'll probably end up trading Diaw for something before this season is over.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 20, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
I hope so
I’d trade Diaw Diop and Najera for a pizza right now just to get the salaries off the books. Then and only then can we sign David Andersen for minimum salary lol.
by Jern Dough on Dec 20, 2011 12:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i'd rather have
najera than david anderson
i can’t imagine anderson would provide anything extra to the team, he doesn’t fit what we’re trying to do (neither does najera, for that matter)
and if we’re gonna have someone who doesn’t fit and won’t add anything, i’d rather that person make me laugh for 5 minutes a game
But Najera also costs waaaaay too much.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 20, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
and pizza is soooo good
Fair’s fair, which NBA team does Herman Cain run again? He has pizza for days I bet.
by Jern Dough on Dec 20, 2011 12:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If he made the league minimum, he would be overpaid
But a $2.6 million expiring isn’t going to kill us.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Dec 20, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
If (and hopefully when) we trade Diaw, it'll probably be for a pick.
That pick, at worst, will be a second rounder.
However, if we were to package him and DJ together, there is a chance we could force a team to take Najera as well.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 20, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Nothing about losing entertains me.
Sorry.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
Then don't watch this season.
Unfortunately, this is a process all small-market teams have to go through if they want to eventually become a viable title contender.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 21, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
If its the same thing...
When we play Dwight we can throw Mullens and Diop on him and let them try to draw fouls. Its not like Andersen is gonna D him up any better than that.
by Jern Dough on Dec 20, 2011 2:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
We dont need to use
Mullens as a hacker player. He needs a chance to develop as a true center. And work on some skills. We dont want to pay the guy just to foul. Thats what Najera and Hendo are for. OOOOhhhh. I mean. Najera is for. And Diop vs Dwight = Injury.
a shot at Hendo really?
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u knew it was coming
I read the whole game open thread and his name was mentioned like 4 times in 330+ posts. I want him to do good. And if you noticed, I stopped for a while just to give him a chance. But if he continues to be avg the more insults to come
Lol.
Cut it out. We mentioned DJ several more times because of the awful game he was having. Talk about that. Or better yet, base your judgements on the guy by the game he was having and actually watching it instead of basing it on how many times his name was mentioned in a thread. Hendo did decent. But for you, every game that a SG plays in needs to produce prolific results to justify his starting spot.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 20, 2011 8:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
He did fine.
Played well on the defensive end, shot a good percentage, played within himself.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 20, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly.
Not enough to annoint him the future starter, but also not bad enough to start talking bout how much we need an upgrade.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 20, 2011 12:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I mean, who cares about the future?
He’s the present starter, because he’s clearly the best option we have.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
Henderson will never become a star, but I think he’ll play a valuable role in the future, especially if he’s able to develop his range.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 20, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
He will never be a star
But the dude can become a starting SG. Give him this year and if he doesnt atleast average 16 PPG then ill give in.
im not entirely sold on him
not one day being an all-star
the potential is there
most likely though his ceiling is 15 ppg with terrific defense, which i’ll take from a starter any day of the week
Problem is, his elite skill is defense.
Defensive minded players almost never become All-Stars. For our sake I hope he doesn’t become an All-Star because I’m hoping he’ll always be a properly paid piece of our future playoff teams, not being paid like an All-Star.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 20, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
DJ also shot a terrible percentage
and turned the ball over way too much (not to mention his typically poor defense).
by Panthers FTW on Dec 20, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
I should've read your response before replying.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 20, 2011 1:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Look at how many times DJ
Shot the ball and try again.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 20, 2011 1:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ha...
So like you to focus on nothing but points.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
He's still mad
About when Hendo punked out psycho T on national TV.
That’s the only logical reason I can see as too why he dislikes Hendo so much, I’m pretty sure he’ll come around sooner or later, although he did skirt my question about Larry Brown earlier, so maybe not…
by Jern Dough on Dec 20, 2011 2:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Guess again
the real reason I dont like Hendo much is…he shouldnt be a starter.
Well this season we can truly see. He is healthy and has a full season as the starting SG. End of the year we will have a MUCH better assessment of him and his game in the NBA then we do right now. He is a defender who can get under your skin and has a good mid range shot. Now that he is back healthy id love to see his explosiveness to the rim more often to get to the line and See if his 3 point range has improved. Thanks to Larry our sample size is only the end of last year and his hip limited him from being all he could be
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Jesus, the man shot 3-5 last night.
Are you upset that he shot 60% from the floor or the fact he didn’t take 20 shots?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 20, 2011 8:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Duh.
It’s the latter.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 20, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
apparently
focus takes the term “shooting” gaurd, very literally
I bet if Kemba Walker doesn’t point at his teammates enough, he’ll call for an upgrade at the one as well.
I knew I was missing someone.
Not saying that it would be Mullens only use just that he is ostensibly the 3rd center and won’t get a whole lot of opportunity to use up those 6 fouls he gets lol. Plus if Diop gets hurt again we can waive him just like you wanted.
by Jern Dough on Dec 20, 2011 2:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
If he gets hurt, we'll keep him to claim the insurance.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 20, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
I'm certain Diaw is a better post defender than Andersen.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 20, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Are you related to him?
No other reason to bring him up haha… I thought he was going to be good when he came on with Houston but I was sorely disappointed. No defense and is better at pf, his peak time came in the early to mid 2000s
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by MikeTrain on Dec 20, 2011 2:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Comparing Andersen with Mullens is idiotic.
Anderson is a perimeter stretch 5. Mullens is exclusively a post player, and not a very good one at that.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 20, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
What are you talking about?
Go look at highlights and talk to OKC fans. One of Mullens best attributes is his mid range shooting ability.
Yeah, I saw him play at Ohio State.
If you think it’s a good thing for your center to chuck it up at the basket with his fingers crossed, that’s fine, but it doesn’t make it his go-to move.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 20, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
You said he is strictly a post move player
And he is not thats all I was saying. Not saying it was his go to move.
According to scouting reports, Mullens is surehanded with the ball and has a mid-range game.
Hell, one of the guys over at Loud City thought that if he didn’t work out at C he’d be an interesting project over at SF.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 20, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
If we were going to cut Diop
It would have been last week when we could have used the amnesty on him. We have 7 PF/C signed to guaranteed contracts so we will not be adding another big. And I don’t really see the point in signing a 31 year old anyway. The Mullens trade makes sense because we have a chance to develop a young center but this team is looking to get much younger, not older.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Dec 20, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
Andersen isn't on
The bobcats roster right now so obviously we can use him. Hendo sucks because we know what he can do in a Charlotte uniform, but Andersen is an unknown to our fan base so we may as well sign his 31 year old never did crap ass.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 20, 2011 11:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Extreme.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 20, 2011 1:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
CB is dead on with this post
His second sentence is the gospel. Rec’d
Lol.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 20, 2011 1:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
People really need to understand
what amnesty really is.
If you amnesty him you still pay him unless someone picks him up off waivers. Saves us cap space but unless we have someone in mind for that space it’s useless to use it. Also NO ONE will pick up Diop in his current bloated condition. So we cut a player that we still have to pay with no hope in conditioning him to make him game ready for us or another team. Best thing we can do is work the shit out of him and get him in shape so that some sucker takes him in a trade.
But cutting him for artificial cap space makes no sense for us right now.
Don't you hate when facts get in the way of a good argument?
by BountyHunter on Dec 20, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, thank you bountyhunter
Amnestying Diop has been on the minds of many of our fans since we first heard about the amnesty clause, but given our current situation it makes no sense to do it. We’ll still have to pay his huge contract, so we might as well just keep him and at least get something out of him. No one, regardless of how desperate they are in need of a big, will take on DIop, especially since the poor guy’s so out of shape.
by Roger, Roger on Dec 20, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
before we found out
what kind of condition diop was in, amnestying him kind of made sense
i mean, at least when you consider in retrospect what kind of money mullens is getting
we could have signed any number of centers for the minimum and if anyone even took on 2.5 million of diop’s contract, we’d have come out ahead
Do you guys think he'll get traded?
Who’s that dumb? We cant trade him to ourselves. Only MJ would accept something like that. Its not happening. Either way we’re gonna have to pay him and either way, this is it for him. After his contract expires for us, I think its over.
Only way we'll manage to trade him is if we were to package him with some other assests.
But we’d be better off just amnestying him and making someone take Najera’s contract instead.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 20, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
there have been worse players
traded simply because they were expiring contracts
amnestying him next season, if we can’t find a trade partner, makes the most sense
i mean, someone will sign him for the minimum, and at this point, 1 million dollars and paying him the rest is more valuable than paying him all of his contract and letting him play for us
Wait, really?
Please, now, name a worse player than Diop. Just period, not one who was traded. And no, he wouldn’t get claimed. There have been plenty of better players who have not.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
he may not get claimed
although if he gets in some kind of shape he might
but his salary won’t go against our cap space, which is why it makes sense to amnesty him
as to a worse player than Diop who was traded as an expiring? Jim McIlvaine.
There is no offset unless the player is claimed off of amnesty waivers.
And to call McIlvane inferior is arguable at best. The career numbers are VERY similar.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
I'll give you that. Diop is ATROCIOUS!
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
How about Sean Marks and Morris Peterson?
Players who can simply be called worse because they weren’t counted on to play at all. Even Keith Van Horn was signed and traded while he was basically retired.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 22, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
A healthy Van Horn was a million times better than Diop.
And Marks and Peterson contributed no less than Diop during their time as Bobcats.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 22, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
But it wasn't a healthy Van Horn.
And Marks and Peterson contributed significantly less since they never suited up. Case closed.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 22, 2011 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
This may be a first
But I completely agree with you.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Dec 20, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
What do you mean?
What good was Sean Marks to us? Or Morris Peterson? No matter which way you flip it, an expiring contract is always important and valuable. Not saying that someone will definitely trade for him, but cutting him this year for the purpose of adding another scrub makes no sense.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 20, 2011 7:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You do realize what that would cost, right?
Cutting Diop to sign Andersen would mean we were basically paying Andersen $15 mil to play here. Is he worth that?
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 20, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Pass.
Our roster is more or less set on big men. No reason to change things up at this stage. Diop sucks, but he’s getting paid so much we’ll just have to wait it out.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 20, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, and look at this.
Grizzlies preparing to match offer for Cunningham. A little birdie told me he was so awful that no one, especially a good team like Memphis, would want him.
Excuses coming in 5 4 3 2 1……….
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 20, 2011 10:02 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Grizzlies are making him and offer
because of the season ending injury to Darrell Arthur. WE have the option to match if we want to Not the other way around. Also the Grizz are looking to make a trade to replace Arthur, so it’s not certain that they formally offer Cunningham a contract.
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by BountyHunter on Dec 20, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Worded it wrong cause I'm driving and
Texting and can’t put complete thought into what I’m typing, but that’s what I meant. Regardless of why they are making the offer, they are making one. This little birdie has let it be known that Cunningham is worthless. Obviously not everyone feels as such.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 20, 2011 11:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I fell he has worth
I don’t know who said that he doesn’t but he showed @ Portland the he can play. Also he showed flashes here and could have more of a role as he gains experience. I don’t post often although I read most of the stuff here.
But to say he has no worth when you look at some of the guys we have brought in so far is a stretch.
I think the Bobcats think he’s worthy of bring back or they would have rescinded the offer they have on the table. Cunningham needs to find a better deal or sign this one before we move on.
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by BountyHunter on Dec 20, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
At this point,
I’m fine with moving on. I prefer Brown for the minimum but would like to at least get a 2nd round pick back for Dante. But I totally agree about his potential. I can’t believe this you haven’t come across this birdie yet. I’ll give you a hint though homey. He also hates Hendo but thinks T Will is hall of fame calibre and we should amnesty people for the hell of it when it makes at all.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 20, 2011 11:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
He's an eighth or ninth man.
Few have said any worse, because there isn’t much worse in the NBA that gets a contract.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 20, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
he's an 8th or 9th man
that can be a 6th man in a pinch, at best
which is still better than eddie najera
Cunningham could only be a 6th man
for us. And after Derrick Brown’s performance, I dont see that either. It took someone to be out for the season for him to get an offer. He’ll accept bc one Grizzly has the bomb “green connect” I hear
by focuslja on Dec 20, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
"in a pinch"
means in situations like ours and the Grizzlies
but thanks for posting the obvious, again
He won't be their sixth man, or even close.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
He'll probably get >10 minutes per game.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 21, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
As well he should
and nothing more. Maybe less tho. He stinks.
They might if their NBA-caliber players got hurt.
See: Arthur, Darrell.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 20, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
Well, there are still several other
Options for them to bring in if they wanted. If a player like cunningham isn’t nba caliber, maybe we should contract a dozen or so teams.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 20, 2011 12:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That's probably not a bad idea, generally.
But we’d certainly lose our Bobbies.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Cool cool.
He doesn’t have a role on this team anymore, so he’s good as gone.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 20, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sorry...
But there is NO WAY we should be praising a 30% shooting, 2-assist night from a point guard. Just continues to show that Walker is a score-first gunner with no sense at all as to how to be an NBA point guard…and we already had one of those under contract. Did like the performances out of Derrick Brown (who I’ve never really liked) and DJ White.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 20, 2011 11:26 AM EST reply actions
No other rookie PG averaged over 3 ast besides Rubio
And we had no shooters when he was in the game he had no chance to get any assists. He took good shots even analysts were talking about how he took good shots that will come go down in time. Please dont come on here and start talking crap about Kemba when you have no viable case yet. So in other words stop hating.
I'm not "hating."
I’m stating objective facts about his performance.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 20, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Well dont act like its fact
You state your opinion as if it is clearly what is going to happen when we have not got to see his passing ability and his shooting ability.
But we DID.
He could have done either last night. But he didn’t. He had the same chances as any other player in the game, including backup center DJ White, who had just as many assists, and starting center Boris Diaw, who hit twice as many threes at twice the shooting percentage.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 20, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
but did boris diaw
hit two buckets that mattered more than the last two buckets kemba hit?
how can you make any kind of legitimate judgement about a player after his first PRESEASON game…
i mean, it’s not like Derrick Brown is gonna look that good every night, either
You act as if a pre season performance of his first game
When nerves play a factor is already how his career will play out by saying he has no sense of how to be a NBA PG. I like how you didnt wanna talk about his last 2 shots won the game for us.
Cynics hate context
it ruins their arguement
Don't you hate when facts get in the way of a good argument?
by BountyHunter on Dec 20, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
...says the person getting more excited about a two-shot sample size than one of fourteen.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
If his nerves are an issue in a meaningless preseason game...
We’re screwed when the real games begin. And no, his last two shots didn’t really matter much in the context of his whole game.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
lol
it’s funny cuz he thinks he wouldn’t be nervous in that situation
If I were an NCAA tournament-tested All-American, I bet I sure as hell wouldn't be.
He has played in DOZENS of more important games in front of bigger crowds over just the course of his college career.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
yep
and not one of those was he paid millions of dollars for
Which is relevant how?
I didn’t get scared the first time I clocked in at the job I’d been training for after college.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
neat
i missed the part where your name was Kemba Walker?
So Kemba Walker lives in fear.
Got it. I feel a lot better about the Bobcats’ investment in him.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
funny
i was pretty nervous my first day on the job
do i live in fear too?
I guess you do.
But, again, that sounds like a personal problem for you and KWalk to work out.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
DGD
and this will be the last reply i ever post to anything you say
you’ll say you don’t care, but you do, because eventually everyone will start ignoring you and you’ll go cry back in your lonely little hole
Surely.
Sounds like you’re the one doing the crying.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
I hate when people try to compare a regular job to being a pro athlete
You did not have a whole city and most of a nation hoping you were a great “worker” and an orginization counting on you.
Again, what's the relevance?
He’s been at that level for three years as the face of one of the top franchises in college basketball, where he was compensated highly with his athletic benefits.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
But your now and you dont know what its like in that situation
Every player is nervous in there first game pre season or not. Some are effected some are not you cant judge a player on their first game anyone that knows sports knows that.
I don't understand how anyone could rationally say those last two shots didn't matter.
They won a game (sure, it was a exhibition game) but they were still made, were still 4 more points, and they decided the outcome of the game. It’s impossible to say that they were meaningless.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 21, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Reading is FUNdamental!
his last two shots didn’t really matter much in the context of his whole game.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
But they are important in the context of the whole game.
They were at the end of a game, therefore it is part of the whole game.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 21, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
And they took his performance from 2-11 to 4-13.
It was a horrid shooting game, he got it all the way up to very bad.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
Due to his ability to get the FT line
he still had a fairly efficent game. And like you said, sinking those last two shots still raised his FG percentage, which is important to the context of the whole game.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 21, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
It was a sub-par performance from the field before and after those shots were made.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
No one is disputing that
but his final line was still efficient due to his ability to get to the FT line and until we see a trend where he consistently shoots 4-13 or some such line, it’s not the time to harp on his negatives.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 21, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
He's done it in 100% of the games he's played for us.
He needs to prove me wrong and prove you right. I’m the one on the high ground here.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
Will you at least admit you saw some positive things Monday?
by Panthers FTW on Dec 21, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
Sure.
Getting to the line is great. But against poor competition, he shot poorly and didn’t look to distribute at all. Those are exactly the kinds of problems I worried about when we drafted him.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
Cool.
And since you’ve identified those as weaknesses, I’m sure our coaching staff has too. You can’t expect him to overcome his weaknesses before our coaches have barely had a chance to coach him.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 21, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
Too be perfectly honest, I'd rather it be Kemba jacking up shots than Israel Muhammad and Durrell Summers.
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
Your "objective facts" are tinged with bias.
Based on your comments, you seem pre-disposed to focus on all the negatives from Kemba’s performance.
Instead of doing that, you should be looking at the things a rookie PG in his first real NBA action did well. He got to the FT line consistently, was able to create enough space to create his own shot, and was able to get to the rim with relative ease. All those things are positives and reasons for hope in our future PG, so it’s not time to be so critical of someone whose just starting his career.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 20, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
actually
none of his “objective facts” were facts at all, they were all entirely opinion
now, i don’t mind people presenting opinions as facts on a sports blog because it’s safe to assume that, unless they provide stats or an article link, or it’s simply a well known truth, than anything people post on here are opinions
but it’s wrong to then actually call your opinions “facts”
let’s examine, for example, the post in question:
But there is NO WAY we should be praising a 30% shooting, 2-assist night from a point guard – This is his opinion. We have all found plenty of reasons to praise Kemba. He uses numbers here to try and quantify his opinion, but it’s still an opinion.
Just continues to show that Walker is a score-first gunner with no sense at all as to how to be an NBA point guard – this is an assumption based on one game. And how can this “continue to show” anything… he’s played in a total of one… PRESEASON… game.
and we already had one of those under contract – an accepted “truth”. his first real fact, which is actually an opinion so strongly supported that it’s become fact.
Did like the performances out of Derrick Brown (who I’ve never really liked) and DJ White. – Yes, most of us did. But these are opinions.
I’m not “hating.”
I’m stating objective facts about his performance – since these weren’t actually facts, and just your negative opinion, i believe this is the definition of hating… searching for any bad that you found while ignoring the good
His performance continued every performance trend he showed in college.
Dude’s not a PG, and he’s not much of a shooter for a score-first combo.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
if only he'd have won some kind
of championship or something while plaing a PG in college
While shooting all the time and distributing only as a final option.
Hell, Ray Felton was a better college POINT guard.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
funny
Derrick Rose is a shoot first point gaurd. But I doubt he’ll ever amount to anything.
btw
walker averaged 4.7 assists per game over his last two seasons in college, respectable assits numbers
...or fewer than Nolan Smith, a SHOOTING guard, averaged last year.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
but more than derrick rose
averaged at memphis
...as a freshman.
However, Rose’s 4.9 APG as a freshman blew away Walker’s 2.9. Or is that another silly “opinion” of mine?
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
nice try
kemba walker – games started – 2
derrick rose, games started – 40
So you're pointing out that the comparison between the two was baseless in the first place?
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
...who has averaged 6.5 assists a game over his NBA career.
Let me know when Walker hits that mark for a month.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
i'll let you know
WHEN HE’S ACTUALLY PLAYED A GAME
Not to mention, Rose started his entire career.
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
...because he's a significantly better player?
I’m simply saying the comparison is ludicrous.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 22, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
You are one negative dude
Everybody has off shooting nights. It’s perfectly understandable, especially for someone seeing their first ever NBA action. If you’re going to make such a final statement on an individual you really need a larger sample size than their first preseason game.
Kemba could shoot
25% over his first ten games, and then 90% over the final 56, and he’ll only care about the first 10
Maybe. It depends on the sample size.
(I’ll stop trolling now.)
by Tim Rudisill on Dec 20, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
Certainly not.
I’d love to see him shoot 90% over ANY game. But he won’t. Because that’s not who he is.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Gotta admit. Ruined my day to see the Procton has returned.
Really? Dude this was off to such a good start without you! Can’t you just stay in whatever hole you just crawled out of? Reading through all your comments today……garbage negativity. You bring nothing to this blog. You have been 86’d from all the others. Go away. We all enjoyed watching an admittedly, at times, ugly preseason game last night where we finally got to see guys WE are excited about play. You right away hate on Kemba. Watch the game you fart knocker. Rookie (yes) started off cold but showed great poise and rallied the squad for a win with clutch baskets at the end.
(sigh)
back to this….
Well, I will be excited about seeing Biyombo tomorrow…and trying to forget this ding-dong has reappeared into our fun…..
And nothing says "fan" like attacking others and blindly supporting a team in the face of reality.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
Lol.
I like having MP around. He is negative as shit but is a good person to have a good debate with without it resorting to name calling most of the time and his views generally reflect the worse possible outcome so we at least have a range on the possibilities.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 20, 2011 12:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i'm willing to bet
they aren’t ACTUALLY his views
D.G.D.
He just says contradicting things to get a rise out of people.
I've felt like that at times
When discussing certain subjects.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 20, 2011 12:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
There is a difference between debating
And being mean and unreasonable to other fans and players. Im not saying get rid of MP but we have plenty of debate and we dont need what he is bringing to this blog.
Lol, yeah.
But hey, what can you do? Nothing he does is in violation of the site rules, so, it’s best to try to tolerate it. I try to make the best out of the worst, so I entertain his nonsense when he talks it. But a lot Iof the time, he brings up legitimate arguments.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 20, 2011 12:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
and it goes beyond that
we all dislike the moves the bobcats make at times… for example, although i’ve tried to accept it, i still cannot stand having tyrus thomas on our team
however, Michael Procton hardly posts anything positive, to the point where one has to assume he actually dislikes the Bobcats… and if he dislikes the Bobcats, then he’s not a fan. and if he’s not a fan, why even contribute on a blog? I’d rather have an Orlando fan on here talking trash about our team than someone who disguises themselves as a “fan” of the team.
That's true.
I can probably count on one hand all of the positive comments made about the team by him over the years on one hand and still have enough leftover to throw up a gang sign. Has anyone ever asked him does he even like Charlotte, or is he like the dude on Half Baked who just sleeps on the couch all day. He is there, but no one knows why.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 20, 2011 1:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
But you're wrong.
I’m a huge fan of the team. Love Henderson, like Augustin, loved Gerald Wallace, loved Brezec, loved Bickerstaff and Silas. Plenty of things have been good about this franchise. But they’re in a HUGE minority when you look at the last ten years.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Iv seen people banned for doing less
I know over at CSR a blogger named Panthertrain was banned for just having outrageous opinions but never violated any rules and he was respectable to others. He was brought back but still. We have reason to ban a person who is highly negative and no fun to debate with but we choose not to.
Lol. Panthertrain
Is a cool dude. Can’t believe they banned him.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 20, 2011 1:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Lol, It was only for a couple of game threads.
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
by Son of a Newton on Dec 20, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
He should never have dared to disagree with TS!
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
I dont run CSR
And I disagreed with him being banned. I dont want you banned I just think you need to take the stick out of your ass.
Aha...
So you’re saying that anybody who disagrees with you should go, huh? Cool.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
"Mean and unreasonable?"
How do you figure? I’m not the one calling people “ass-bags.”
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
Instead of personally attacking him, if you disagree with something he says, argue it.
Don’t argue it in a way that says “You’re Micheal Procton, therefore you’re always negative and wrong,” but instead bring facts to the table to refute his points. Sometimes he turns out to be right about things we don’t want to admit, and sometimes he can be overly negative and you’ll just have to ignore it (such as his views on the Carolina Panthers).
by Panthers FTW on Dec 20, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
it's focus in disguise
who is larry brown in disguise
actually
nevermind, i don’t wanna insult focus in that way
he’s never “negative” about things, he’s passionate about things, even if they’re silly, unreasonable, unrational things
There is a big difference between focus and MP
The only thing focus is negative about is Hendo and he has calmed down on that.
Lol.
He still hates on Hendo but has calmed down a lot. It got out of hand during the lockout.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 20, 2011 1:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
His passions
“Wiley Vets” unreasonable benching of talented young players, signing random players with low ceilings, and I bet I can dig up a few posts of him doting on Dominic McGuire. He might not be Larry but Hubert Brown? probably.
by Jern Dough on Dec 20, 2011 12:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
why argue?
we argue to try and sway people to our side of things… it doesn’t matter how “right” we are, he will never admit he’s wrong, and instead merely waste our time arguing empty points that will end up being nowhere near what we were originally arguing about
which is exactly what he wanted because he’s a troll
I don't care if he never admits that he's wrong.
If I disagree with his viewpoint and argue it in a way that satisfies me and the rest of the community, then that’s good enough.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 20, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
which is great
as long as you don’t get sucked into his black hole
Whats the point in debating about your favoirite team if it isnt fun
And when I debate with MP it isnt fun.
Then you can ignore him.
I enjoy debunking the myths and “facts” that people like Focus and MP bring to the table.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 20, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
I haven't "attacked" anything.
Really, it sounds like this is more of a personal problem than anything else. Have you seen somebody about your inferiority complex?
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
Haha
Dont get so worked up little guy. You brought it on yourself dont be negative and it wouldnt happen. If you want to conduct yourself this way then this is how others will think of you dont get mad when people dont like you.
I'm not mad.
I’m trying to make sure you get the help you need.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
Lmao.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 21, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
why bother replying to him
about non bobcats/basketball related posts?
it only gets him off, he’s probably 12
i can't think of any time
someone has “debunked” either of those two
if you did, they wouldn’t keep posting the same, useless drivel over and over
actually
the more i think about it, the more i realize, talking about a guy like MP without him being around to interject is exactly the kind of thing a person like him would enjoy
i won’t make this mistake again
Lol. Exactly.
I treat him like Candyman or Lord Valdamore (or whatever his name is) on Harry potter. Just don’t mention its name. That gives it more strength.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 20, 2011 1:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Amen, buddy.
Nobody on this site or any other needs to be seeking my approval of their viewpoint. I certainly don’t need that.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
Lol.
He probably still thinks Cam is a bust.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 20, 2011 1:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
But he IS a bust.
http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2011-04-14/cam-newton-statue-to-be-erected-at-auburn
I was going to make another joke about Mount Rushmore and those 4 presidents being busts, but I really think I’ve stretched this joke a bit too far.
by Tim Rudisill on Dec 20, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
5-9.
What seed do you think the Panthers will get in the playoffs? Oh, wait…
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
Using the team's record is such a weak argument Michael.
Honestly I expect better from you.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 21, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
You're right.
Maybe they’ll get a wild-card invitation to the Super Bowl from Goodell because they’re so EXCITING and his fantasy numbers are so special. I guess it’d be a good chance to see him put up a bunch of worthless yards and throw some back-breaking interceptions on a big stage.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
if you think cam newton
is a bust after his first year, in which he might make the pro bowl btw, than anything you say is completely irrelevent
which is usually the case anyway, so i don’t know why im so shocked
Individual performance means nothing without team success.
That’s why Timmy Chang never won the Heisman.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
and more than doubling the teams win total from the previous season, despite losing three starting linebackers on defense and having no viable second WR would be considered success by most people
No viable second wide receiver?
They’ve been starting a second-round pick there for more than a month! And improving the wins from a team that the owner literally tanked to prove a labor point isn’t very impressive. They’re going to finish with a top-eight draft choice. Meanwhile, the team with last year’s coach and a FAR less talented QB in Denver is going to win its division.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
The AFC West is a far less talented division as well.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 21, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
And their defense has played FAR better than Carolina's.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 21, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
If our defense was playing nearly as well
as theirs we would be in the conversation as a Super Bowl contender. It’s a top 5 offense in the league. I don’t see how anyone could hold the team’s failures against Cam or anyone else on the offense.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 21, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
Because it's the offense that has been miserable after the half.
Have you not seen the constant three-and-outs? The picks Newton throws into triple coverage underhanded, off his back foot, and seemingly with his eyes closed? The crying under a towel on the sidelines instead of firing up his teammates and encouraging them to believe?
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, against the Falcons.
Let’s have that breakdown of every other game we lost and put them on Cam’s shoulders.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 21, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
Sure!
- In a game we led 27-14 at halftime against Detroit, Newton came out after the half and here were his drives:
8 yards, punt—>followed by Detroit TD
1 yard, punt—>followed by Detroit TD
Interception
4 yards, punt—>followed by Detroit TD
80-yard TD drive highlighted by 58 yards from Stewart and Williams on screen passes, tied game
Interception—>led to Detroit TD
Interception—>game over
- Tennessee: On a day we got 4.8 yards a carry from our backs, we lost 30-3 because Newton was abysmal. 0 TDs, 1 INT, 1 fumble, barely 50% passing, a pitiful 5 YPA, and a 62 QB rating.
- Minnesota: After taking a 21-14 lead early in the third quarter, Newton’s drives drives:
18 yards, punt—>followed by Minnesota TD to lose lead
9 yards, punt
8 yards, punt—>followed by Minnesota FG to fall behind
57 yard drive resulting in missed FG highlighted by 44-yard jump ball play by LaFell
I can continue if you want, but Newton’s ineptitude and turnovers have caused us to lose leads more than anything else.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 22, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
I'll take Andy Dalton and his WINS any day of the week.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 22, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
The Bengals defense is the reason for their wins
And their easy schedule. Do I need to break it down for you?
Break down whatever you want.
You can apologize for Newton’s losing all you want. But the fact is this team isn’t going anywhere come playoff time.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 22, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
You're hopeless
I’m not going to push it any further. Newton is good. He’s arguably the best rookie ever. He’s led the biggest offensive turnaround in NFL history. The team is going to triple its win total from the year before he got here. Teams don’t go from 2-14 to playoffs in one year, especially with a rookie QB and rookie coach. If faced with all that evidence you still stand by the fact that Newton is not a good QB or is a bust, than you are ignorant beyond help. I’m glad CSR banned you. Your presence is a detriment to the site. Now this is the last time I will ever feed your attention-craving self. I’ll reserve my opinions and debate for the more reasonable members of this site.
Neither are Dalton and his Bengals who could
end up around .500. Newton could end up at 7-9, 1 game removed from .500. But Andy Dalton is great huh?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 22, 2011 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
Lol.
I LOVE how you left out the part where Newton tied the Detroit game at 35 with a great drive and a 2 point conversion before the defense came out and gave up ANOTHER touchdown and we ultimately ended up giving 49 damn points.
And I also love you left out the part about Newton driving us into field goal range against Minnesota against the clock and positioning us for a touchdown before a fluke hold call on Steve Smith and a missed FG by Mare sealed the deal. It’s beyond pathetic to be calling Newton a bust MP. I’m sorry.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 22, 2011 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
And their (again) less-talented quarterback has won games in the fourth quarter rather than losing them.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
Quaterbacks are not the team Michael.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 21, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
Who said they were?
But they’re the ones leading the drives which can win or lose the game.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 22, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah not like there is a defense
Coaches
runningback
recievers
offensive line
Dammit Cam sucks for not doing it all what a bust
You're talking about the team. I'm talking about Cam.
He’s already a Pro Bowl caliber player. Check the voting. I don’t even really have to argue that he’s a good player. It’s almost common sense.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 21, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
That's the same Pro Bowl voting that put Roy Williams in right before the Cowboys cut him?
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
Rookie records galore.
Do you not realize this man is going down in history for his performance? For passing AND rushing. I’ve learned my lesson to not get into arguments with you about such things though, so I’m leaving this alone.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 21, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
Records which broke great names like...
Chris Weinke. You can keep him on your fantasy team all you want. I want a guy who wins games. He hasn’t done it.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 22, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
Peyton Manning. You left him out. Typical.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 22, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
Would you rather have Jimmy Clausen or Derek Anderson than Cam Newton?
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
by Son of a Newton on Dec 22, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, he would.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 22, 2011 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
Just to prove his point.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 22, 2011 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
Lol, that's kinda sad.
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
by Son of a Newton on Dec 22, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
Can we not discuss the Panthers here?
You’ve drawn your line in the sand and your viewpoint is in the extreme minority.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 21, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
Feel free to discuss whatever you'd like.
Your prerogative. That’s the whole point of the internet.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
Dude
I have stopped arguing with him. It’s just always worst case scenario and snarky bs. I’m done with that. I guess I just like to be positive about our squad as a real fan, and I get pissed with constant negativity. He knows what he does. I guess we John Fox it as, “It is what it is.”. Weak cop-out that it is. Proc has facts and some useful info at times, but the downer garbage is for the birds.
by mives36 on Dec 20, 2011 1:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The most negative thing I have ever read in a Sports Blog is...
“HOPEFULLY (hopefully-look it up) WE’LL (Bobcats) SUCK”….doesnt matter what comes after of before that or the reason why. Read that sentence again. And before ppl go judging MP about negativity, they should step back and analyze how many times they’ve said this. I ve NEVER said it. And NEVER will. Thats the most negative statement ever posted but its posted all the time. Thats a statement that you keep to yourself. But our “fans” HOPE we suck. You talk about downer…Im not saying its you Mives. Just a good place to say this
by focuslja on Dec 20, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
when will you realize
that our best chance at future long term success is by building through the draft
I know every single poster on here, MP included, would love for us to be a playoff team right now, but reality dictates that it’s simply not going to happen. We’re a bottom 3 team, period. That doesn’t mean that we’re not going to enjoy our Bobcats anyway and look at the bright side. The bright side of having a bottom 3 team is who we’re going to end up drafting with a high lottery pick.
Thankfully, rebuilding through the draft is our best chance at future long term success. We’re not cheering for the Bobcats to suck this season, we’re cheering for our Bobcats three years down the road to make the Finals.
Exactly.
It would be my dream to go 46-20 and be a top seed in the conference. Could it happen? Sure. Will it? I would bet the life of every family member I have that it doesn’t. But you have to learn to take the good with the bad and mix in a little realism somewhere along the lines. If we are bad and end up with a good pick, that means we are in a spot to draft a franchise player to inject into the core we already have. If we make the playoffs or barely miss them, that means our current core is way above schedule and we should be making moves to compliment them. Hell, maybe this time next year we are discussing all the moves we need to make to surround Kemba with enough talent to win a title and a star would want to come to charlotte to play with him. Either way, we are Bobcat fans through and through and want what’s best for our franchise.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 20, 2011 2:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
How dare you be so NEGATIVE?!?!?!!!
You’re totes not a fan, because you don’t think the team is going to be a top-three seed in the East!
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Your interpretation of people
Saying the team sucks is all skewed, but that’s fine. You know like I know that giving young players time to develop goes hand in hand with sucking and that goes hand in hand with getting us a high draft pick which goes hand in hand with getting a Durant, a Griffin, a Rose, or Lebron to build our team around which is what ultimately is best for the franchise. You think that hoping to make a playoff run by overpaying mediocre vets is the way to build a team and that everyone is praying on the teams downfall by being realistic.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 20, 2011 2:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
how'd that playoff run
by overpaying mediocre vets work out last time?
by adamcawa on Dec 20, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, you see where we are now.
Can’t believe anyone would actually suggest going the same route.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 20, 2011 2:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
People were so excited to see us get stomped by the Magic!
Positivity and fandom to the max!
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
That's the problem.
Most people don’t HAVE facts to bring to the table.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
I can't read any articulated argument in here.
Looks like you had to resort to ad hominems because you don’t actually have anything to support your opinion.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
It's quite sad that anyone
would take the time out of their day to just continuously post negative comments on a blog. I mean, really, come on now. Bring something logical to the table rather than waste everyone’s time with ridiculous comments. If you’re only here to talk negativity or make condescending comments regarding the team, then go find another team to do that with. It takes away from the fun, rational conversations the true fans are having about the team. Having a difference of opinion is one thing, but to go through each comment just to post negative feedback is lame. Debate with integrity!
He's the Randy Quaid character in Major League 2
and he plays it very well.
Don't you hate when facts get in the way of a good argument?
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by BountyHunter on Dec 20, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Come on you guys
When me and Mike went back and forth , you guys said “MP is backing it up with facts, Focus hates fact blah blah”. So now that you guys disagree with him its a 50post rant about him? I respect his opinion. And what he does is far from trolling. Hell, he supports Hendo and actually thinks Cunningham is better than TWill (was 14 and 9 in his first preseason game I might add)
it is trolling
when he’s posting contradictory posts for the sake of being contradictory
is there any particular reason you decided to make this post about you?
everyone argues with you using facts, because it’s just so easy to do
remember that part i posted about you posting useless drivel repeatedly? saying t-will went 14-9 in a preaseason game is useless drivel… just like we can’t make valid assumption of kemba’s season/career from one game, you can’t highlight ho-hum numbers from a guy you’ve acted like is the second coming of Michael Jordan
No they dont...
They argue with me using things that they can get support from other posters on. I use facts too. Why is it drivel? Why can you praise Kemba and not TWill? I have yet to see you prove me wrong. Am I not the one who suggested we make a move for Mullens or Aldrich? Did I not suggest Reggie Williams almost a year ago? All Im saying is CHO is reading my post and taking notes. Everything MP says, he’s stuck by. He didnt like Kemba then and he doesnt like Kemba now. Ok. He puts up his reasons why, So argue or respect it. Its no need to subliminally talk about getting him banned hoping someone will pick up on it. He’s done nothing worthy of getting banned. I personally dont agree with much of what he says or anyone else for that matter. But I respect it. During the lockout, I would read thread where me or Mike or (I forget the other argumentative guy) didnt post and the thread would die after about 50 posts bc everyone agreed with each other. Everybody doesnt have the same views and everybody isnt gonna stop giving their opinion bc they get bumrushed by the majority. I know Im not.
by focuslja on Dec 20, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
prove you wrong about what
a guy who isn’t on our team, who couldn’t crack the lineup on a houston team last season
we praised kemba for some of the things we saw him do, but none of us are saying he’s gonna have an awesome season because of it, either
T-Will is a secondary support cast player AT BEST. Get over it.
I’m tired of you saying “you made suggestions for doing this and that”…. we needed a young C, it was very obvious, and the front office made a move to get one… he could have come from the d-league, he could have come from anywhere, iT WAS A GLARINGLY OBVIOUS NEED THAT WE FILLED
Also, MP’s “reasons” are usually just his cynic opinions, and he doesn’t have any stats on Kemba to prove it either way. T-Will, on the other hand, does have stats to prove things. The biggest stat I see is, that while he puts up good numbers, not one coach has trusted hiim to start.
We don’t all agree on everything, but when we do disagree, we use valid arguments and statistics to back up our points. You rarely do. BUt if you’d like, we’ll go on and start posting really obvious things from now on and then praise ourselves when we get it right.
Here’s one… the Bobcats won’t make hte playoffs this year.
Here’s another… Kemba will start by season’s end.
Here’s another… we need a defensive PG
Here’s another… Tyrus Thomas won’t play for at least 8 weeks.
Here’s another… we need to sign our future star to build around in the draft because very few premier free agents are going to want to come to Charlotte
It’s kind of funny, actually, when earlier you’ve posted that you think the sole reason for free agents (particularly vets) have for signing with teams is championships, but then you expect us to go out and sign every free agent you see.
While MP can be really obnoxious, he does have good points occasionally, even if he presents them in the worst manner possible. However, much of those good points are lost in his trolling.
Kind of like you… much of your good points are lost in your pointless drivel that doesn’t need to be typed out because it’s either: obvious or rediculous.
and btw
T-Will would be a fine addition to this team to come off the bench and provide energy
but newsflash, we’re still not a good team with him
he’s a very good role player, of which there are dozens in the NBA
Its not dozens of TWIlls Adam lol
And its a difference in saying “we need a young center” and saying “we need to go after Cole Aldrich or Mullens”…not only that but I hear “we have nothing to give OKC”…its a difference in saying “we need a 3pt shooter” and “we need Reggie Williams”,,,thats all Im saying…
there ARE
dozens of GF role players in the NBA… every team has at least one, most have two
if you’d like, I can go ahead and list them all? You know i will.
Its alot of
G/Fs. I could name a few that I’d like on our team. But there is only ONE TWILL…
there is only one terrence williams in the nba
taht is true, he’s the only one by that name
but there are a ton of players who struggle to crack their teams lineup who put up good numbers every third game or so, who are treated as expendable role players to their team
There is also only one Najera
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by Bring Back Primoz on Dec 20, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
trolling lmao
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by StudMuffin15 on Dec 20, 2011 11:40 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
hmm where'd my post go
what i was saying is that
there isn’t that much of a difference in saying we need a young center and then making the leap in logic to say that we need a young center with poential who will be cheap who we’ll either need to call up from the d-league or trade with a team that has a dirth of centers
or saying that we need a young, cheap 3pt shooter who can create his own shot… oh look, there’s only 2 in free agency this year and one just got signed, who’s left? there’s reggie williams or the d-league or we make a trade.
But
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 20, 2011 2:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Never mind
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 20, 2011 2:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Never said that about Cunningham, actually.
I think they’re both currently fringe rotation players, but Williams has more upside with his versatility.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
In other news....
Just heard that TT and DJ both sat out of practice today. DJ has a hyper-extended elbow which means Kemba could really see some more minutes in Thurs nite’s game.
Should be interested and fun to watch…
i don't know much about
that kind of injury? it doesn’t sound like it’s a long term thing though, but no point in playing him and risking further injury, right?
It's not a big deal.
It’ll be sore, and it could lead to him being more susceptible to an injury in that region if he rushes back (ligament strain/tear), but he’ll be fine, and he’d probably play through it in the regular season.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, this thread is sorta out of control
And has absolutely nothing to do with the game, which is always exciting.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Dec 20, 2011 2:37 PM EST reply actions
That's Flip Murray, right?
;)
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
One could note that my initial post was EXCLUSIVELY about the game.
If they cared to, anyway.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
Did anyone notice...
…how nice it was to watch a Bobcats game without the best player crying about fouls while their man is running down court, and getting unnecessary techs from the officials??
I do not miss Stephen Jackson.
Captain Jack
Shall remain in my heart forever. But it was nice. It was a much welcomed change.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 20, 2011 2:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Does anyone realize...
that only happened because we traded our actual best player for a pair of late first-round draft picks and a couple months of Dante Cunningham?
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
Well Earl Barron
just got released by Portland. Also a pickup during the Cho era. Maybe we can cut Ely and grab this man. Also its time for Diop to be cut.
I just dont
want ATL to grab him before we do.
Cutting Diop
Right now wouldn’t be smart under any circumstances.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 20, 2011 7:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Smh.
You really cant see the big picture homey.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 20, 2011 10:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Nope I dont
bc his production isnt good enough to use this as a reason.
Smh.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 21, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
even if he plays 1 minute a game
or worse, only serves as a warm body in practice
it’s still better than paying him 9 million a season or w/e it is to not even be here
let’s say you have 100 bucks… you can put that 100 bucks into an insurance policy for your mailbox, should your mailbox ever be destroyed, or you can put the money in the mailbox and let your mailman have it
sure, mailbox insurance is a dumb idea, but when the only other option is giving your money away, it’s not quite as dumb
Enough with the "Cut Diop" comments
We would be borderline retarded to waive Diop and still be on the hook for $14 million with him. Every time someone says this it makes my headspin and wonder if they have any clue how managing an NBA team works. Geez.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Dec 20, 2011 8:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But we absolutely must have Earl Barron!!'
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 20, 2011 8:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Indeed!
So let’s cut Diop and by paying his buyout, we are effectively paying Barron $15 million for one season. Sounds like a great financial move!
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by Bring Back Primoz on Dec 20, 2011 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
3.5pts, Trebs, 1.5 assts in 21games and 18mins. The kid has potential and probably wont cost a million
15 million minimum
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 20, 2011 10:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's always great to pay people
not to play for us!
Paying him
for 2rebs and no points is the same as not paying him right? He’s not gonna get many blocks with that weight and his already limited athleticism. He isnt doing even mediocre enough not to. Arenas got cut, Posey got cut, Outlaw got cut…their teams still have to pay them. Its about the SALARY CAP not the money. It doesnt count against the cap.
amnestying him
if we amnesty him, we STILL have to pay his full contract, minus whatever peanuts a team signs him for
outright cutting him and we owe him even more
the likelihood that he contributes by seasons end or next season is greater than the liklihood someone signs him for more than the amnesty bid minimum
Well when I said Cut
thats what I meant. Being that amnestying someone isnt a real term.
LOL, I think the NBA just invented that word
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by Bring Back Primoz on Dec 20, 2011 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
Again...
The amnesty cut makes NO SENSE for a team already under the cap and not looking to add players that would put them over the cap.
If there’s no salary cap implication, there’s no reason to amnesty anyone. If the Bobcats are under the cap, and they fully intend to stay that why (why would they sign any available FA to a deal that puts them over the cap at this point?), then there is no need to amnesty any player. The only result is that you’re paying a player to not play. It’s a garbage idea.
by Basketball Rambler on Dec 20, 2011 9:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
if one of those china/euro guys
comes over, then we can talk about it, because we would be able to use that cap space to sign them
The amnesty window has also closed, so that point is not irrelevant.
Further, I guarantee that nobody would have claimed him. So the full cost would have been on us for him not to play here.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
But they used the amnesty provision
And the window to use it for this season is over so it makes ZERO sense to do it now. We would have to pay him and it would still count against the cap and luxury tax. Once again, you have no idea what you’re talking about.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Dec 20, 2011 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
Since the amnesty window is now closed
its a different story…
You could make a case to buyout Najera and sign another guard
But that’s still throwing away $2.6 million. I would just hold firm and let him expire and work with minimum guys, either undrafted or D-League promotions.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Dec 20, 2011 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
i thought we had until next season to amnesty someone?
and could do it at any time?
apparently, i’m wrong?
Yep
The window to amnesty someone this season ran from Dec 9 to Dec 16. It will open back up when the new season begins on July 1st and we’ll have the option to use it again.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Dec 20, 2011 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
This is correct.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
And those teams aren't hemohrraging money like we are.
Even if we cleared that cap space, we wouldn’t spend it, because we don’t have that kind of cash sitting around.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
No Need for a Center Anymore
With Mullens, Diop, Ely, and a cast of PF’s we’re set for now.
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
They WILL NOT cut Diop.
They have to pay him either way. Given the fact that this franchise bleeds cash, they’re not going to pay a guy eight figures NOT to play for them.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
KEMBA !
When we drafted him, I was excited but careful with my enthusiasm. After last night, I’m saying could he be the next CP3 ? Much like Cam, he is a proven winner ! At the worst, he will be another Earl Boykins-Mugsy Bogues who are two of my favorite players here in CLT !
by chris in union county on Dec 20, 2011 9:51 PM EST reply actions
I kind of hope he's a little bit more than Earl.
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
Lol. Hell yeah.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 21, 2011 8:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Uhh...Chris Paul? Really?
In Chris Paul’s rookie preseason, he ranked third in assists, behind only Steve Nash and Baron Davis. He was also an efficient shooter, ranking seventh in three-point shooting. Walker is not that kind of player, and based on his skillset and playing style, likely never will be. Further, if “proven winner” status meant anything, where is Sean May? Why wasn’t Christian Laettner a perennial All-Star? Why couldn’t Sherron Collins or Darnell Jackson stick in the league? Winning at the college level really means nothing about the kind of NBA player you’ll be.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, we probably shouldn't ever mention Kemba and CP3 in the same breath.
They’re such different players, it’s not really fair to Kemba.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 21, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
Well, CP3 did play an 8 game preseason along with a full training camp. Not really fair.
"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."
Right, because the only difference between Chris Paul and Kemba Walker is a few weeks of practice.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 22, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
I'm so thrilled to see all of my pals here @ ROF
I am also super psyched about Bitchsmack Yourmomyo signed and able to practice, Been away for a while, and i’m happy to be back! The Mullins signing is a very crafty move. Is he a star? Hell no, but he could be a nice 20 min a night player with a fair amount of upside. The sky isn’t falling fellas…Patience is the key.
And that's the thing.
We are collecting what are not only players that can develop and be here for the long haul, but these are also assets we could package together in a deal for a star. Let’s say we are at the deadline and some veteran star wants to move on from his team. Dwight Howard comes to mind but it really works for anyone. Let’s say DJ averages like 12 ppg, Hendo 14 and Mullens 7. Instead of looking at it like someone had to score, teams look at it like those trades are a good opportunity to rebuild with. Look at the Paul, Anthony, and Williams trades and what those teams received. This is not saying we are making a move for Dwight Howard or that the package is as good as the real life ones, but we open up a lot of opportunities with low risk moves like these.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 21, 2011 9:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Umm...
Nobody is going to take Mullens as a piece in a trade for a star. Hell, we got better than Mullens for Wallace, and we got raped behind the woodshed in that deal.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
Just like no one was ever going to trade
for Timothy Mosgov like he was great or something before he had a couple of 20-10 games. You let these kids showcase their talent and they all of the sudden become hot trade chips. And don’t start talking about how good Mosgov is because in reality he hasn’t done crap.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 21, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
Really?
Mozgov was literally the sixth-best piece Denver got in that deal, behind Chandler, Gallinari, the first-rounder, Felton, and Koufous. I mean, we can talk about Ely as a trade piece all we want, but he’s not going to add anything to a trade offer either.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 22, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
Go back and look at the reports Michael.
Denver wasn’t budging about including Mosgov initially. But let’s rewrite history for the sake of making you right.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 22, 2011 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
Diaw said he was impressed because Biz already knew all the sets. Kid has put in some serious work itching to play. Im so glad we got him for this season. Im sure he could of benefited from another year overseas but nothing substitutes NBA talent and NBA action.
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by MMA_PITBULL on Dec 21, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
It is encouraging
And the one thing I keep hearing from everyone is how smart Biyombo is and how quickly he learns things. With his athletic prowess, he can be special if his basketball IQ is as high as most folks say it is.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Dec 21, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Cho has been scouting him awhile. Before he was hired by the Bobcats. Most scouts had zero clue who he was until his triple double in the us vs the world game.
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by MMA_PITBULL on Dec 21, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
biz-markee
with his defense, rebounding and blocking ability…isnt he the long term answer at center here? I mean at 6’9 he has the ability to play modern day post. the giant 7 foot center who lumbers and cloggs the lane is a dying breed. they lose more years to injury, they cant account for smaller players defensivly (go right by them) and the become a dead option in most none-orlando type offenses (where you have 4 shooters and one guy stay around the rim to catch dunks). with biyombos mobility he and switch easy, get out and run and cause havoc outside the lane. if we can trust cho, then hes probably spot on with calling him a serge ibaka tyep guy. I can see a front court of biyombo- thomas- williams with a back court of henderson- walker being effective in year 2. add a potential star to the mix next year and we can see the light by year 3.
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by bobcatsbrendan on Dec 21, 2011 12:19 PM EST reply actions
yup all i ever hear is he can’t be a C he is more a PF. Why because of his height? Dejuan Blair has zero cartilage in either of his knees and he is 6’7 yet he plays C for the Spurs as well as PF. With his athleticism and his WIDE wing span he will have no problem. Hell id rather have a guy 6’9 with 7’7 arms then a 7’7 C with 7’7 arms. He is agile and can move. We are going to run. Biz can run. Im sure he can catch lobs all day…thats all Blake Griffin does…
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by MMA_PITBULL on Dec 21, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Damn. 7'7 with 7'7 arms.
That is a BEAST!!!
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 21, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Even George Muresan would run in fear!
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by Bring Back Primoz on Dec 21, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
Just imagine the health problems that guy would have
His heart would give out by the end of the first quarter.
by Basketball Rambler on Dec 21, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Lol. Hell yeah.
Been done died out there. Damn giant.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 21, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
which is my point…anybody remember Sean Bradley?
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*Shawn Bradley my mistake
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Hell yeah.
Got his bike stole a few months back.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 21, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
DeJuan Blair is HORRID defensively when playing center.
If performance like this is what we can expect out of Biyombo, we’re screwed.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
Luckily, Biyombo is a #7 pick and Blair is a 2nd round pick.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 21, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
That's not a good thing.
A direct comparison was just made between the two. You’re saying his abilities merited him being selected some thirty picks later?
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think they're similar at all though.
Blair has no cartilage in his knees and his wingspan isn’t close to Biyombo’s. Biyombo is a much better athlete at this point in his career than Blair was when he was drafted.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 21, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
i was just saying if Spurs can play a guy at 6’7 with no knees at Center. We can play Biz. I was not comparing the two players.
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I mean, we could play Augustin and Walker at C and PF, but it would be a stupid idea.
The performance of Blair should be enough to prove it’s a bad idea.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 22, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
i would argue
that they’re not a dying breed, just very rare
Dwight Howard is by far the best center in the NBA and he’s the prototype big body center, only incredibly athletic to boot. Tyson Chandler, as much as some people here hate him, is also a really good center who is athletic. That’s the type of C people are looking for nowadays. There just so rare. In fact, I would say that the big bodied center has been dead since the 90’s/early 2000’s. You won’t see a Greg Ostertag in the NBA ever again.
Players like Dwight, Chandler, Gasol, Hibbert, Okafor and McGhee are gonna destroy Biyombo in the paint. All of them are very atheltic big men (even fluffy Gasol).
it's more his weight/frame
than his height and wingspan
the first time Dwight goes over the back for a rebound (or God knows Gasol… or worse Diop in practice), he’s gonna snap right in half
I don't know
Have you seen Biyombo? Dude is ripped.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Dec 21, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
His teammates have already said Biz is as strong as an OX…Rick Bonnell said the only two players he has seen in his time covering Charlotte Basketball with the strength of Biz is Larry Johnson(grandmama) and Oakafor. The kid is pushing 250 he isn’t a twig
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his height and long arms
means that weight is spread out over his body more lol
Tyson Chandler is garbage.
He makes next to no impact on the offensive end and will likely miss significant time with injury this year. Give me Andrew Bogut any day.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
+1
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 22, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
I'm about ready to trade Tyrus to tell you the truth.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 21, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
We'd never get fair value for him.
Considering right now he’s our most talented player, it’d be in our best interests to keep him.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 21, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
We’re kind of all in on him.
by Basketball Rambler on Dec 21, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
The only way to trade him
is for another head case or long contract. I had such high hopes of him breaking out this year, but it just doesn’t seem like he’ll ever get it together. I hope he proves us wrong.
His numbers last year suggests that he should be getting starter's minutes
There are reasons for concern, but with regular playing time I think he could be an above averge player. He has a real chance to break out, and the Bobcats have to treat him like he’s ready for a breakout season, but I wouldn’t put money on it at this point.
by Basketball Rambler on Dec 21, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
I'm more concerned with his game.
He seems to settle for the jumpshot way too much. Although he can hit it at times, I was shocked to see his final shooting stats for the night after the game. Combine that with the injury, and his random tantrums and I think it’s just smart to think about moving him how. He is a PF and unless his name is Dirk, I expect him to be a banger on the inside and shoot with high efficiency.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 21, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
I fully agree with your concerns about the jump shot.
He’s kind of like Josh Smith in that way. His penchent for the 20 footer is probably my primary concern, to be honest.
What do you think we get in a trade? Who knows, maybe the Lakers would use their trade exception to acquire him.
by Basketball Rambler on Dec 21, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
I think that's all we could hope for
unless he comes back with a strong performance like he was having early last year. I think we could package him with DJ for a late lottery pick and an expiring contract. At this point in time, I think that’s fair value for him.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 21, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
I'm in kind of an F-it mood right now
I’d take that deal.
by Basketball Rambler on Dec 21, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe I'm just that disgusted by
their preseason performance that I have their value lower than it should be. But it’s the same problems as last year (minus DJ not shooting as bad). But, I just think this is what the rest of the league sees at the moment. Hopefully, everyone plays at a higher level so their trading potential is greater.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 21, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
We need to trade DJ for something at some point during this season.
He honestly doesn’t have a role on this team until we’ve gotten further into our rebuilding process, so there is no reason to resign him once his contract is up.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 21, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
I would lock him in for
6 million or less, but I don’t think he would go for it.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 21, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
honestly
for DJ and Tyrus, I wouldn’t take less than a mid first round pick
Late lottery is around 13th.
We’re in agreement.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 21, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
...which would not be in the lottery?
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
admitting mistakes
is not a concept he’s familiar with
Lol, he's in attack mode.
Any open shot you leave will be taken.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 21, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
If we could get that, it'd be worth it.
I don’t see us being able to get something of that value out of him though.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 21, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
not individually
but maybe both if we’re lucky, to a team with a dirth of picks
Dirth:
A. Not a word.
B. If you meant ‘dearth,’ that would be a LACK of picks. Why would we hope to swing them to a team lacking in picks?
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
mistake on my part
i meant to a team with an abundance of picks
His numbers have almost always suggested he should be playing more.
But having been coached by what, five different coaches at this point, he has never held a starting role for a full season. People have been chasing that potential for years, but at some point, we have to admit that he is what he is.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
Now isn't the time to admit it.
If he hasn’t shown any sort of improvement in the next season or two, then it’s certainly exactly that time.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 21, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
Admit it...
Were you not saying something like that last year, and the year before that?
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
I was certainly saying the same thing last year.
But we’ve made our bed and now we have to lay in it. If you can find a scenario in which we can get rid of him and it has a positive impact on the future of our team, I’d be all ears.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 21, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
Not my job.
But his mediocre play isn’t something I have to ignore just because we can’t get rid of him. Again, that’s not how my fandom works.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
So I can expect to hear you whine about Tyrus throughout the season?
by Panthers FTW on Dec 21, 2011 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure how you'd define "whining..."
But he’ll certainly be criticized when his play merits it.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know.
He may end up as one of those contracts we hope to get out of in the long run. I’m not totally ready to trade him, but if he comes back and gets hurt again then put me in the crowd with Focus.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 21, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
i don't really like him
i enjoy his hustle, but cringe at his lack of discipline both mentally and fundamentally
I'm starting to see him as that cousin you don't want to have around
because he’s too wild. He can play ball and has superior athletic skill, but he’s always hollering or running around or something crazy. That lack of discipline is killing me too.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 21, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
the one
who ends up tripping and hurting themselves because they got too drunk?
You know who I'm talking about.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 21, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Do you follow him on twitter?
I had to unfollow his crazy ass. If he has a rough year or doesn’t mature at all, I wouldn’t rule him out of the amnesty running next summer. Realistically, the only other candidates expire next year so if we decide Tyrus isn’t in the plans and we can’t get much for him in a trade, using the amnesty wouldn’t be the worst thing.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Dec 21, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
I agree.
Never thought I would say it.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 21, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
That has a good chance of being the case.
But we’re in a position where we need to do everything we can to coax the player he can be out of him while we can. Since, as I’ve said, we’re stuck with him, now isn’t the time to be giving up.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 21, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
Cue the people who demand you not say a word about a player until he suits up and plays an NBA game.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
thomas wont be traded
hes locked in with 3 more years AFTER this season, at 8-8-9 mill . he isnt going anywhere. thats why I say let him start at PF and get whatever he can give you out of him. if its junpers its jumpers. if its baby hooks, so be it. hes too lanky to bang down low so dont expect him to be. my main concern is silas as his HC. when silas had baron, he got away with everything, when silas had jackson here later on he got away with everything. paul silas wont be able to pull in any bad seeds and put them in their place when needed.
"..and we have scott may coming back this season.." bob johnson quote before the start of 07-08 season, when he didnt even know his own players name.
on the other hand if we can get someone in the same position as US
with some team that has a guy whose a decent player, just not the right fit there, we could offer expirings as incentive, which I think we really need to utilize. again, not being a broken record here but….we need guys under contract in a trade so they can be locked in here for a few years to develope. its hard to attract players to a team WHILE rebuilding, so bring in guys who are under contract, no choice but to grow.
"..and we have scott may coming back this season.." bob johnson quote before the start of 07-08 season, when he didnt even know his own players name.
for example
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7pt8az7
indy has just signed PF david west and PF jeff pendegraph is expect to be the cheaper backup then hansbrough. in fact hansbrough has a team option both this year and next. hibbert and foster are the centers so we swap out thomas who would start until west is ready, then take over pendegraphs role after. plus indy has wanted top shed jones since they signed him, we need backup guard help. hansbrough then has the chance to EARN that starting pf spot or move on if the team dosent pick up his option.
PG augustin/walker
SG henderson/ jones
SF megette/carroll/ williams (higher up when returns)
PF diaw/ hansbrough/ white
C diop/ biyombo/ ely/ najera (later this year)
"..and we have scott may coming back this season.." bob johnson quote before the start of 07-08 season, when he didnt even know his own players name.
Hansbrough is more often unable to walk than playing good basketball.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
fingers crossed
indy bites
"..and we have scott may coming back this season.." bob johnson quote before the start of 07-08 season, when he didnt even know his own players name.
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