Freaking Bobcats Shooting Guards, How Do They Work?
The Bobcats have two shooting guards, and in a brief witticism, they could have been described as "one that can't shoot and one that can't guard."
Though funny and wholly incorrect (trust me: Gerald Henderson can indeed shoot the basketball and Matt Carroll is not an inept defender), it does indeed sum up each player's weakest points in their skill sets.
Last we checked in with the two in early April, Gerald Henderson was coming into his own as the Bobcats' starting shooting guard after the Gerald Wallace trade freed the position for the 12th pick in the 2009 NBA draft. Meanwhile, Matt Carroll was the professional he's always been, filling in inconsistent minutes,as he occasionally effectively tickled the twine as the team's main long bomb-launcher with Stephen Jackson sidelined with injuries.
And as Paul Silas enters his first full (well, not really) season with the Bobcats, these two men will continue to find themselves in a moment of transition.
For Gerald Henderson, Jr., he enters his first season as a starter for an NBA team. With only a battered Corey Maggette to lead the team's scoring, Henderson must up his game to fill the void. It's a tall task for any young guard to to fill, especially those more defensive-minded like Henderson.
We know he can finish well at the rim (64.6%), with exceptional athleticism and body control in the air, but questions abound remain concerning his shooting and other offensive versatility. Much has been made of his midrange jumper off a screen and hook, which is pretty solid. However, the rest of it just hasn't been evident. We saw glimpses where he experimented in the post, with mixed results. He just doesn't have the polish to be reliable in that fashion. He doesn't have that go-to move. He doesn't have the handles to create space in the midrange. Most glaringly, Henderson's range has been under scrutiny. Last year he shot an eye-popping 19.4% from beyond the arc. Oof.
But that's last year.
As concerning as it could be that Henderson underwent surgery during the offseason to fix a torn labrum, it was a congenital condition that in turn made him more prone to knee injury. Fixing it had to be done and should prevent further issues. And based on recent video, it looks like he's as mobile and explosive as we remembered.
We've also seen that he has been working this offseason on his go-to moves (spin moves and step-back jumpers) and his range. Through adjusting his form and repetition (as our own Josh Priemski analyzed), it seems like his main issues on his jump shot have been, in the least, nudged in the right direction. He won't turn around and become Ray Allen, but through more repetition and time working with a trainer on ensuring the corrections in his shot stick, he could build up more effective range.
His go-to moves in the post are still rusty and slow, but at least he's working on them. He's no dummy; I expect him to work on them and learn from his endeavors and adjust accordingly. And he's still the talented defender that he is, hanging onto opponents with great footwork and defensive attentiveness to force them into tough shots.
As for Carroll, he continues his transition back into the old him.
Once a young gunner, Carroll changed his game to become more of a slasher and rim-attacker on offense to fit in Larry Brown's offensive system. His role diminished and less effective, Carroll now emerges as the team's backup shooting guard under Paul Silas' run-and-gun offensive philosophical intentions.
He's not a spring chicken anymore, but Carroll's release is still quick and high and he, himself, is still quick. He's never been extremely athletic, at least vertically, and that may yet be diminished due to age. However, it shouldn't be noticeable, especially after the lengthy rest the lockout can provide.
All that said, Matt Carroll is simply a specialist -- and a poor man's one at that. He's not a great defender and he can't play inside due to athleticism. This isn't a bad thing. His contract is, though. It's well more than a player of his talent is worth.
Carroll's role on this team will fluctuate on any given night, depending on the Bobcats' need for points. With Reggie Williams out for a while, expect him to see many of those minutes.
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I've never felt so disappointed in this team
Sorry for being Debby Downer, but it’s the truth…
We traded out two best players in the history of the team to rebuild, and turns out we even suck at rebuilding. Our remotely promising young SG is damaged goods. The only decent FA we sign is damaged goods and can’t even play. We can’t even sign our friggin draft picks.
Do Jordan and Cho actually research these deals?
The ONLY reason I have even a little interest, is to just maybe see Walker dazzle a few plays in a losing effort each night.
This is how I roll, animal print pants out control.
by southtunnel on Dec 16, 2011 2:50 PM EST via mobile reply actions
In those regards,
The two best shooting guards in the nba, Kobe and wade are damaged goods as well. Maggette really doesn’t have a future here and is only a stopgap SF, so all we need is him to be halfway decent, for one year. Next year he will either be traded, amnestied or released. As for Williams, it’s still a good pickup. It does suck he won’t play for the better part of the season, but it is what it is.
Just let me say this. Last year I was more disappointed in the panthers as I had ever been before. We let one of our best players walk for nothing when peppers left. We chose to shed salary, play young players, and take terrible losses. This year, though still not a good team, I have never been more excited about our future and championship hopes. And it’s all because of cam newton, our top pick. Give this thing time. We will be in better position than we ever were before next year.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 16, 2011 3:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's easier to rebuild in the NFL
There’s parity. Small market teams like GB and Indy can build just as easily as Dallas. You also are guaranteed the to pick if you’re the worst team. It’s just about impossible in the NBA to win unless you land a Super Star, which the lottery makes totally unpredictable… I’m not convinced it’s not rigged.
This is how I roll, animal print pants out control.
Yeah, the lottery is total BS.
Let’s just hope it doesn’t screw us over.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 16, 2011 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
I really want to love the NBA
It just feels like they make it so hard to do so.
This is how I roll, animal print pants out control.
Maybe Jesse Ventura can do a Conspiracy Theory show on Stern and the NBA
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by Bring Back Primoz on Dec 16, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
I agree.
Seems like it’s set up.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 16, 2011 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
It already did screw us over. Remember?
We would’ve had D12, however we got screwed and received Emeka, who now isn’t even with the team.
How did we get screwed?
Since we were an expansion team, they automatically slotted us at #4. We traded the #4 pick plus our 2nd rounder to the Clippers for the #2 pick. Orlando took Howard, we took Okafor. I don’t get how that was rigged.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Dec 17, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
True dat
We got screwed by Orlando electing to take Howard rather than Emeka, which was a legitimate decision at the time. But as you said, we weren’t even a part of the lottery process, so nothing rigged about it.
Charlotte: Where rebuilding happens
I think all expansion teams should have the top pick.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 17, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
To BBP and AirBobcats...
I never said it was rigged. Not giving the expansion team the #1 pick is screwed up.
I agree...
I don’t know that an expansion team should be guaranteed the first pick (kinda unfair to the worst team the year before to lose out on shot at #1 player), but they should at least be placed in the lottery with the best odds.
What’s really jacked up is that when we were given the #4 pick, that was the highest an expansion team had ever gotten before, so it used to be worse. Considering how hard it is to acquire talent in the NBA, you’d think the league would throw expansion teams a bone
Charlotte: Where rebuilding happens
Back then
everyone had a chance to play. They didnt judge a player by how late he was picked in the draft. At that time it was about building teams. Now its about clearing alot of capspace and hoping a saving grace is in the draft.
What?
Tim Duncan, Lebron James, Shaq, and plenty of other top picks were franchise changing players. Are you really suggesting that teams would get to a championship quicker by having three late first round picks than one top pick? Nothing has changed at all. Teams still use the same logic as they did back then.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 19, 2011 12:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Im talkin about building a team. The Spues have that little lockout asterik for their first championship. Plus Tim was drafted to a team with a HOF (Robinson). The other two were prime examples of NOT building a TEAM. One player can only get you so far.
Yep, to a championship round.
Look at what LBJ did for Cleveland. He was only one player, but he took them to the NBA finals.
by Tim Rudisill on Dec 19, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
One player can get you pretty damn far Focus.
Cleveland was the first team to ever go from first to worst and it’s all because of Lebron James.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 19, 2011 1:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
“One player can only get you so far.”
I’d call from last to first pretty damn far, whether they won the championship or not.
by Tim Rudisill on Dec 19, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
Lol.
Does that really matter?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 19, 2011 5:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
LeBron’s rookie season they had an 18 game improvement but they didn’t go from worse to 1st. They didn’t even make the playoffs but Carmelo Anthony’s Nuggets team did which had more talent than LeBron’s Cavs. Now don’t get it twisted I do agree that one player can make a serious impact on basketball but you still gotta have a solid team around the great players.
Now as far as the reason there is a lottery is because like you stated one person can have a profound impact on teams. If there wasn’t a lottery more teams would tank seasons to get the guaranteed #1 pick. Football most definitely is a team sport and one player isn’t gonna change a team as dramatically as it would in Basketball. I agree with the lottery process and personally think it isn’t rigged like some folks do.
One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.
by gunnin' gervin on Dec 19, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
I said first to worst
As in what happened when lebron left last year.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 19, 2011 6:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
My bad
reading is fundamental. lol. But we can also use that as an example on how poorly the team was put together because they were not even competitive without him.
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by gunnin' gervin on Dec 19, 2011 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
That is very true.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 19, 2011 7:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Lmao.
Please get more informed about exactly how we’re planning to rebuild, then come back.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 16, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
They planned to pickup injured players and guys that contractually can't play at all for us?
Great plan :S
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Williams is out for only 6 weeks, and Biyombo is going to play next year. If we're going to suck this year, we might as well be terrible...Andre Drummond here we come!
Panther Pride 'till I die.
The plan isn't to be good this year
It’s to be good 2 years from now
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by Bring Back Primoz on Dec 16, 2011 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
I think a few fans undervalue
Matty ice. I remember one particular game last year I seen him going nuts. I mean 3s, penetrating the lane getting baskets, drawing fouls, getting steals. Can’t remember exactly which game it was, but it made me comfortable again to have him as a role player. Still overpaid, but he can be somewhat effective off the bench. The one thing about him though from my view is that he needs consistent playing time or he can turn into one of the most ineffective players in the NBA.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 16, 2011 2:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions
2006-2007
Was a good year for him. He had an uncanny ability to draw a foul on a made three and knew his strengths and weaknesses. I think his confidence gets shaky if his minutes get cut. You’re right, when he plays 20 minutes plus he’s lights out, but can’t find a groove in limited time.
He is a little slow on defense, but he’s 6’6 and capable of putting his arms up. He can fill in some minutes competently this year.
Absolutely.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 16, 2011 9:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sorry man, Matt Carroll just isn't very good.
He’d be worth the minimum, but unathletic guys just aren’t cut out for the NBA.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 16, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, which is why I would never want him starting
or having a signficant role off the bench. But he’s fine as being a 9th or 10th man on the team.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 16, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
Positive thinking.
I’m not really concerned with reality with the Bobcats. If they’re on the team I’m willing to look on the bright side.
Well
Keith Bogans just got waived. And on another note, I think its time to trade our second rd picks and DJ. Seperate or together. Something’s gotta give.
Patience.
I think we should let D.J. increase his trade value.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 16, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
Slow down
We’re not trying to make a playoff push this year so there is no reason to panic and start shipping out assets. It’s still training camp and some folks are already hitting the panic button.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Dec 16, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
We should try shipping DJ out for a first round pick this year.
Wonder if anyone would bite?
by Panthers FTW on Dec 16, 2011 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe
And don’t get me wrong, I’m not against trading DJ, especially if it nets a first rounder. I would wait and make sure Kemba is the real deal first though. My point was that we shouldn’t panic because of a few injuries and deal him now just to fill a gap for a team that isn’t going anywhere this year anyway.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Dec 16, 2011 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
Even if Kemba isn't the real deal
can DJ ever be anything more than a role player in the league?
I understand what you’re saying though. Losing Bismack doesn’t do anything other than make us worse, which is sort of the point.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 16, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
I think D.J. can be extremely effective as a 6th man.
Hell, he really wasn’t that bad as a starter. He could take out Fisher in L.A.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 17, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
DJ is a certified starter
Put him on any team with at least 2 consistent shooters and a big man that can catch and he’s 14 and 10. If Jameer Nelson can start for a championship contender, I see no reason why DJ cant
Exactly.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 17, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Sometimes that's all you have.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 16, 2011 9:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Carroll
made huge strides in his defensive game last season
i’m not sure if it was coaching, or just simply that, for the first time, he was asked to do more than just come in and hit spot up threes and draw fouls by flopping
All he SHOULD be asked to do is hit threes.
It’s his ONE skill. He’s a very good 3-point shooter. I’ll let John Hollinger take it from here:
He had 95 2-pointers from beyond 16 feet last season but only 46 3-pointers, extinguishing much of the value of his stellar outside shot. While Carroll’s marks on long 2s (45.3 percent ) and on 3s (37 percent) are certainly commendable, he’d be in a lot better shape if the quantities of those shots were reversed.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 19, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
I totally undervalue him
I like my players to be memorable in more than just one game.
This is how I roll, animal print pants out control.
Impossible to wish for a full NBA roster of such players.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 16, 2011 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
next up to drop is eduardo najera
out 8 weeks with knee surgery, per the observer. will we be able to field enough players this year? better call up the d-league get ready for open tryouts.
"..and we have scott may coming back this season.." bob johnson quote before the start of 07-08 season, when he didnt even know his own players name.
Is anyone thinkin something is fishy about
the signings (lack thereof) and all these sudden injuries? I mean I just read on Rotoworld.com that Maggette is having muscular injuries in his back.
He had a couple of back spasms and sat out some practice time with the team
The report from the pratice said it was not serious at all – nothing to be concerned about.
Geelong Cats for Premiers 2011 (Completed)
Rich Cho - lead us to the promised land (In Process)
You're obviously not an NC State fan....
I deal with this and our football team annually.
Lol.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 17, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
Carroll's start last year
Remember? During Larry Brown’s last game? I remember watching the game, and they announced the starting lineup, but the players going on the court weren’t the ones announced. I was like wtf. lol Spur of the moment LB decision. I suppose he knew he was fired by that point.
Least I think I’m remembering all the details lol. Games blur together.
Hey MJ
We’re in tremendous pain here ! WhoTF is believing in this product. Let’s talk about how Silas has been totally screwed for having to coach this mess.
by chris in union county on Dec 17, 2011 10:53 AM EST reply actions
Give it time Chris.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 17, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
No pain, no gain
U know the deal. Yeah it hurts right now (I’ve had a screensaver of Bismack and his 40 ft arms going non-stop on my Mac for months!) and missing these key players is gonna suck and hurt out team. But as has been said, we will b bad, which was inevitable, just maybe a bit worse (not a bad thing in this scenario). Not MJ’s fault. Lots of teams suffering from the injury bug right now. I’m just pissed I don’t get to see the Biz.
by mives36 on Dec 17, 2011 12:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
But this team has had, all pain, no gain
Think about it. The highlight of our franchise is getting swept first round of the playoffs. And all that did was set unrealistic expectations for the fans.
This is how I roll, animal print pants out control.
Hahaha. Random funny moment...
Watching Knicks vs Nets game. NY rookie Josh Harrellson (6’10", Kentucky) steps out, lines up, and cans a 3 right in Brook Lopez eyeball. Brook looks at him sideways down the court like “Who the hell was that, and why did he just bitch slap my baby???”
Priceless. Harrellson=beast mode
by mives36 on Dec 17, 2011 2:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Not to be negative or talk about something like this ALREADY...
but does anyone else think that this season is a perfect storm for MJ to let Silas go at year’s end? He only offered him this one year deal, and if we’re as bad as made out to be…it’s the perfect out for MJ. He still comes out smelling like roses while everyone else knows that Silas didn’t have anything to work with.
Just a thought….
On the "grass is greener" side...
If Silas can polish our turd (no disrespect) and floor any type of respectable product, or shows marked improvement in our youngsters, it really sets him up for success.
by mives36 on Dec 17, 2011 3:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't think Silas will be gone until
we’re well into the rebuilding process and ready to start putting veteran players in place. MJ is going to let him coach these kids up and establish confidence within themselves.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 17, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
ive kind of been under the impression
Paul was going to retire and Stephen was going to be our head coach.
I think Silas will be around for
This season and the next. The man is getting up in age, but I don’t see why MJ would can him after this season. Anyone who knows anything about NBA ball can look at our club and know that we are going to struggle big time. I think if MJ wanted a different coach in place, he would have one.
Depending on how the free agent market goes
For example, if Howard is a FA, MJ might make a move to try to entice Howard to come. (I’m not saying it will happen, just that there are plenty of variables in play.)
by Tim Rudisill on Dec 17, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
Do yourself a favor...
AND THROW THAT OPTION OUT OF YOUR MIND AND INTO THE TRASH. It will never happen. Never, ever, ever, ever. In a million years. Howard would never come to a struggling, small market team with little peices in place to win a championship.
Howard is getting older. He wants to win a championship, and he wants to win it now. He’s sick of mediocrity and team building. Plain and simple, he wants to win. Charlotte won’t give him that. And he wants to stay relevant. Good luck with that if you come to Charlotte, the red headed ugly step child franchise of the NBA.
He didn't say Howard would come here
He said MJ may try to entice Howard to come here. What’s so hard to believe about that?
What's scarier than a bear with chainsaws for arms? Nothing.
That's exactly what I was saying.
We’ve already seen him make a play for CP3 and Melo, so why wouldn’t he try for another big play for CP3 and Howard? This is MJ we are talking about — he gambles. It’s not far-fetched to believe that he would take that gamble again. Obviously, MJ would do everything he can to stack the odds that his gamble is a favorable one, including the choice of coach.
by Tim Rudisill on Dec 18, 2011 5:50 AM EST up reply actions
Here you go:
Obviously we have the cap space next year to do so. I would do everything I can get to try to get a player like that.
-Micheal Jordan
by Panthers FTW on Dec 18, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks.
I just hope no one notices that you quoted Micheal Jordan and not Michael Jordan. (heh – Lord knows I’ve made that typo a few times myself.)
by Tim Rudisill on Dec 18, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
It will never happen.
Literally. Just throw it out of your mind. Just like the CP3 to CLT was never going to happen.
I believe Jordan would try to bring an elite player here
As previously stated, there wereseparate talks Jordan was invloved in concerning ‘Melo and CP3. That doesn’t mean they would come here but having discussions with players happens all the time.
What's scarier than a bear with chainsaws for arms? Nothing.
I have no doubt he'll try...
That’s not really an issue. The fact is, that it just won’t happen. You made my point by bringing up Melo and CP3. They didn’t sign. No elite player will sign, unless we have some significant championship peices in place, which we don’t. Even if we did, IDK if it could happen…
Literally, it already has happened.
Literally, the only point I’ve been making is that Jordan will try to bring in an elite player. Not that he would necessarily be successful.
There’s an incredibly important distinction when it comes to building a team. If Jordan is “doing everything” to get an elite player, then that has repercussions on how the team is built. Even if he is not successful, it has a major impact on our salary cap, what kind of supporting players we get, and even what coach we go after. Everything.
That is the point I am trying to make.
I have never said that he would be successful, though I do actually think he has a chance (though not a high percentage).
by Tim Rudisill on Dec 19, 2011 8:03 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, like I've said I get your point.
Of course he will TRY. Every Owner and GM will TRY to lure an elite player. But we won’t be successful in luring a Dwight Howard or Chris Paul to Charlotte. It just won’t happen. So, it’s futile even talking about it.
I'll take it a step further... No AllStar will ever, ever come here.
I’m sorry but there’s just nothing to draw bigtime FA’s here. The ONLY way it will ever happen is if we luck out and draft an up and coming superstar. Until then…
THROW THAT OPTION OUT OF YOUR MIND AND INTO THE TRASH
This is how I roll, animal print pants out control.
Seriously you wanna go there?
I wish people would stop saying we could never entice big FA. No we will not get a Dwight Howard or Paul but anyone that says it is impossible for the Bobcats to get a a FA like NENE or any all star caliber FA needs a reality check because in the NBA if you have the money theyw ill come here and especially If you are competitive. I cant believe you just said we will NEVER get a big FA thats just a stupid statement im sorry.
I'm really not certain why we can't get a big FA.
NC produces a lot of basketball talent. Eventually one or two of those will want to play professionally close to home. I’m not saying it will be Paul, but why couldn’t we get a superstar? Not everyone has “win a championship” as their top motivation. Some will want money or to be close to family and friends — things we can offer.
Look — it probably won’t be next year. Or even the year after. But eventually we’ll get one through FA.
by Tim Rudisill on Dec 18, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
I've never seen the
“close to home” thing as ever being an “enticing” draw for a basketball player that has been a proven allstar. After proving to be a allstar CALIBER player, the next step is a ring. Which is mostly during the big contract years. So NO, we will not get a Nene or Eric Gordon. Because the next move for them will be on a PLAYOFF team consistently. I just think we say the close to home reason bc alot of players come from here and its our only real drawing point
So if we are a playoff team we will not get any big FA?
The the point im trying to make being in small market does not handicap us as long as we are consistently a good team and are willing to pay.
We can but like you said we are going to have to pay more than other teams. And they will have to be fairly young. But after a player is a proven allstar caliber player, they just dont go to sit on a rebuilding team. Maybe traded to one. But they just dont sign there MOST TIMES.
Im saying that once we build a consistent playoff team and it will happen sooner rather then later
Then we will be able to sign bigger FA’s.
I agree
once we get good. But on the same token, our team is so outta wack right now. Diaw is a major player for us. Idk if he comes back after expiration. So is DJ. I cant see him coming back. He will work hard bc this is the contract year for him. And in another year, Maggette is gone. Which leaves us filling alot of holes in the next two years. And I dont think we can continue just fill holes with just anybody,
I think
Tyrus is expected to fill Diaws hole, not saying as the future PF. Kemba will take over for DJ unless he sucks. I still beleive that Hendo has the potential to be our SG of the future but if he doesnt at least average 16 PPG then I will admit he is a bench player, even if he is not a starter he is a good stop gap and the same goes for Tyrus. As for Mags I think we will look to the draft for a SF or C unless they plan on moving BB to C eventually then in that case a PF. So really we are not going to be filling holes for long
Diaw will be traded this year.
No one is trying to build anything around him.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 19, 2011 12:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Let's hope so.
If we can get anything more than a 2nd round pick for Diaw, I’d be ecstatic. If he takes time away from Tyrus Thomas again this year, I’d be willing to give him away for absolutely nothing.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 19, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
Why do you talk like we have been rebuilding for years?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 19, 2011 12:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
This is now
an accelerated league. Teams like GS, Indy, Was, NJ and lets not forget ATL are young teams ready to make playoff pushes. The Eastern Conf in particular is starting to match talent with the West. Not quite but in a year or so it will almost be equal. So us thinking that we have put some type of timeline in when we are going to be “there” is probably not the smartest way. We need to learn to fill holes more sufficiently. With players now in control of where they are going, its time for us to make better moves. Not saying spend ridiculous amounts but put together a team that can lure a star here…
And then have no money to pay them
and at bottom of the lottery pick? No thanks.
by Tim Rudisill on Dec 19, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Golden State is pretty much capped
Out and still isn’t a consistent playoff team. Why even mention them? They are nothing to be envious of. What you are seeing in Indiana and Washington are YEARS of rebuilding finally starting to take shape. Those teams began their process when they dealt away the Jermaine Oneals and Antawn Jamison’s of the world. Those are not overnight efforts at all. What you are seeing in NJ is a team that gave up on rebuilding and traded all of its young pieces for a true star. Nothing different than the trade that brought KG to Boston. And Atlanta? Lol. You do realize that that team will be blown up pretty soon right because they don’t have the space to make improvements.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 19, 2011 1:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Atlanta is stuck in limbo.
They’re never going to win a championship with this core, so what’s the point?
Golden State is still not a playoff team right now and the moves they’ve made this year are not indicitive of any real direction.
NJ is desperate for another star, and if they don’t get one, Deron Williams is as good as gone and they’ll go right back to the drawing board.
Indy has been doing almost EXACTLY what we’re doing. They’ve struggled the last 3-4 years and now are finally in a position to make some real noise. Is that an accelerated pace?
Once again, your argument lacks any real factual basis and can therefore be pretty easily disregarded as another argument you’ve made that is stupid and not credible.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 19, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
Great Points
I agree with damn near everything you posted. The Pacers are gonna be solid this year and if Paul George keeps improving they are gonna be really nasty.
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by gunnin' gervin on Dec 19, 2011 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
i wish he'd realize
that all of the non credible arguments he makes grossly outweigh any credible ones
even when he has a good point, it’s hard to take it seriously given his history
and then the fact that the one time in 20 he’s right, he posts it 18 more times, presumably to try and balance out the wrongs
People are different.
Different people value different things. You’re probably right, but that doesn’t make him wrong.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 18, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
Focus, do you realize how prejudiced you are being?
To the point that it’s utterly ridiculous.
Pretend for a moment that you aren’t talking about All-Stars. Instead, you are talking about blacks and how the next step after waking up is to eat fried chicken. Or, instead you are talking about women and how they all enjoy to cook. I could go on, but I’m sure I would end up offending everyone on this board at some point. It’s simply not true. Not everyone has the same motivation. You are saying that every single basketball player’s motivation is to win a championship. (Because, ultimately, they want to be an all-star, then they want to win a championship.)
It’s so crazy that I literally don’t know how to respond to it. It really is the same thing as any of the -ism’s (racism, sexism, ethnocentrism, etc) except obviously on an unimportant scale. (Note: I’m not saying that NBAism is anywhere near the level of the others.) Good god, Focus, seriously, people have unique motivations. Things that drive them to excellence. Not everyone needs that championship. Not everyone is the Mailman who spends their last year chasing that ring. Some are Stockton or Reggie Miller. Some may want money. Some may have kids and not want to move them around, so they’ll stick around in the same city instead of moving their whole family to a new city. Some may have the worst case of herpes ever and it just so happens that the best herpes doctor is in Utah, so they want to stay with the Jazz. I really don’t know, but what I do know is that not everyone will chase a ring. Good god, our own Diaw is proof of that. He won’t even chase down a loose ball; throw a championship ring on the floor and he’ll look at you and say, “Je vais l’obtenir plus tard.”
Is it likely that most NBA players want a ring? Absolutely. Heck, it might even be all of them. But that does not mean that it is priority number 1, 2, or even number 3. It’s amazing how quickly a priority can change, too, especially if a family member gets sick or passes away. They aren’t all chasing their own dreams and future legacy — at least, legacy as defined by a NBA career.
I really don’t know how to get this point across any more. It’s just so … so … short-sighted. It’s insulting to every all-star to say that they have only one brain cell and that it’s programmed to be “NBA ring.” I can just picture them walking around like zombies telling their agent, “must … get … ring…”
I’m done. I’ve made this post at least twice in the past and it’s never done any good. It’s like abortion. Your mind is already made up one way or the other and it refuses to change no matter what. Actually, there was a study done where it was discovered that when people had already made up their mind about something, they would not even leave a totally biased conclusion when information was given that could not rationally be discounted.
by Tim Rudisill on Dec 18, 2011 8:09 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Wow.
Very eloquently worded, my sentiments exactly.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 18, 2011 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
Is it really?
or is it bc its directed at me? Like everything else you agree with…
Ahem.
People are different.
Different people value different things. You’re probably right, but that doesn’t make him wrong.
What he said articulates exactly that in far more detail.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 18, 2011 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
Sure...
People value different things. But it’s crazy to think that all NBA players want a ring, or even success for that matter…
I'm detecting sarchasm on this, so I'll address it briefly.
I do think that you can make a very broad generalization and say that everyone wants success. But that’s where it ends. Why? Because everyone defines success in a different way.
One player may define success as being the best player to have ever played. Another may define success as winning 10 rings. Another may define success to be known as the most clutch player of all time. Another may consider success to become filthy rich. Another may think that success is doing what they love.
In those above examples, each can accomplish their version of success in a different way. The best player of all time? He doesn’t necessarily even need a ring, though it helps. Look at Lebron — people are talking about him being one of the best already even though he’s never won a ring. Ironically, by going to a team where it’s easier for him to get a ring, a lot of people make the argument that he’s tarnishing that reputation and if he does win a ring, it’s because of Wade and Bosh — and not him. (Note: I don’t necessarily subscribe to that theory.)
The guy who wants to win 10 rings? He could be perpetually injured, play 2 minutes a game, and ride the bench. He could also be a #3 draft pick from Gonzaga. It doesn’t matter how good he is or how bad Charlotte fans want him back — it’s possible to win multiple rings without being a very good player.
The guy who wants to be rich will want to go to a team that can pay him the most. That probably won’t be a team that’s competing for a ring, since they’ll already have most of their salary locked into other star players. They would have to take a pay cut to get on that team. So they would go to a team that could pay them.
And, there’s also that rare, elusive, almost unheard of breed of person who actually goes into their career because it’s what they love. I know I love playing basketball and I suck at it. I don’t care if I’ve got 4 teammates who are terrible and suck as badly as I do. We’d play 40 games and maybe only win 1. Doesn’t matter — I’d have fun.
Heck, I know someone who works a dead-end job for about 2-3 months, saves up her money, then leaves it. She gets gets her food from dumpsters behind grocery stores (from when they throw out food), catches rides on trains when she wants to travel, and scavenges everything second-hand. She considers herself successful because she’s happy with life. That’s certainly not my definition of success, but it is hers.
by Tim Rudisill on Dec 19, 2011 8:18 AM EST up reply actions
If that's the case,
Why doesn’t every free agent star just sign with the Heat for the minimum? That will surely get them a ring. Howard and couldve both done it next year if they want to. Obviously, they want their money as well. And obviously, no matter what these players tell you, a ring is not the top priority unless they are on the tail ends of once glorified careers like Baron Davis or Mike Bibby and will sign for any contender for close to the minimum.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 19, 2011 1:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Why would you even bring that other stuff up
Racism, sexism ect? It really had no bearing on your argument. At all. To say I stereotype a player bc they want to win a ring is ridiculous. What was CP3’s first vow after the trade? To bring a championship to the Clippers. Why is Dwight in such a dramatic state? Bc he CAN win a championship with Orl but its more attainable somewhere else. Key point, championship. Why would Chauncey give a warning to teams not to try to pick him up? Championship. Now Alonzo Gee, Jamario Moon, Derrick Brown, Brian Scalabrine may not care that much but the Star player that we are aiming for I would say 97% of them want that ring. And they arent coming to a team in rebuilding stages UNLESS we overpay
And Bush Sr. promised that if you read his lips, we'd get no new taxes.
Clinton then promised that he didn’t inhale.
My point is that if you want to be popular, you say what your constituency/fans want you to say. People lie, yes, even Tim Tebow. Of course CP3 is going to say that he’ll bring a championship to the Clippers. What is he supposed to say? “I promise to all my fans that the injury bug will strike myself or Griffin at the worst possible moment, causing us to always flame out during the playoffs. Or, barring that, we’ll get creamed by the Heat.” No no no — he can’t actually say that. He has to fan the fans passion. How do you do that? By promising things which stir passion. Things like no new taxes or a cigar for every woman.
by Tim Rudisill on Dec 19, 2011 8:26 AM EST up reply actions
But who is saying bring them in like
Its a certainty. We are saying save the cap room for a chance at a star instead of spending it on mediocre talent. If we get that star in the draft, we can then start using that cap room to surround said player with talented free agents. I just don’t understand why you’re so intent on thinking so short term and tying up cap space.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 19, 2011 1:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Melo wanted to
Go to a knicks team that had been significantly worse than the nuggets during his time in the nba just to be closer to home. It does happen.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 19, 2011 12:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah he couldve went to the Wizards
or Bobcats or 76’rs too. But he didnt. He decided to go where Amare was.
And how did Amare end up in NY?
Don’t think it had anything to do with them being the only team to offer that much guaranteed money with his injury history? Like I said, money talks. That is the first priority for these star players. Melo was lucky enough to get his cake and eat it too. Those situations will be few and far between.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 19, 2011 1:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Tim Rudisill and TS Bobcat, prove to me why an elite star would come to Charlotte...
Imagine you are Dwight Howard. You are twenty six years old, and have been in the league for 7 years. You’ve stayed with a middle market team that hasn’t won a championship. When FA hits in 2012, you have no obligations to any teams. And LAL, LAC, BOS, DAL, MIA, NY and all of the big market teams are clamoring for you. You could go live in a worldly and cosmoplitan big city, with enormous amounts of fun things to do, like NY or BOS, or LA. You are also not too worried about money, but desire a championship and success more than anything. Why would DH12, or ANY star for that matter, choose a dinky little metro city like Charlotte and the floundering and despondent Bobcats franchise that has never had a winning record and doesn’t have any championship peices in order OVER LAL, BOS, NY, DAL, MIA, LAC….etc?
Please tell me. Just convince me, and I’ll concede. Why would any star want to come here? We have ZERO selling points other than salary space and money. THAT"S IT.
I'm actually in disbelief that we are in agreement here Focus...
But if you take a step back from it, we really don’t have anything to lure a top tier FA/Star.
Im not saying he would come here now
That is never what I was saying. Im saying if we build a consistent playoff team and have the money I dont see why they wouldnt come here if we have what they want.
Im not disagreeing with what you're saying
but the big “argument” from alot of posters is…“we dont want to be a mediocre/middle of the road team”…but in reality, I feel like if we can build a team a 6-8th seed, then we should. Because a star is more willing to come to a bottom playoff seed team than a “rebuilding” team. That star player can push us into the 2nd-4th seed. Which means we are now championship contenders. But I think when I make a suggestion people think that I mean “its ok to be a middle seed”…thats not what I mean. I mean its more alluring to a star to come to a small market team if they can consistenly make the playoffs already. And I actually think we dropped the ball in this FA period bc this was the FA that we shouldve built an ALLURING team. Williams was a good addition. Brown (although I like him) was a waste. Not using the amnesty to make room was a bad decision. Ely was a bad decision. Waiting on Kwame was a bad decision. Not to be negative but I cant see how we will land any kind of star player in 2012 FA bc of the team we have now. Even if we got a top 3 draft pick, it wouldnt be enough to lure any star caliber player here. I just think we dropped the ball and I cant really see us making it up at this point until 2013 probably. We might get some good players in 2012 FA but we probably would have to wait til 2013 or later to land a star player now. Or hope that one of the decent guys on the roster breaks out WAY beyond expectation
Because you still need the cap room to
Sign a star when you are middle of the road. A star could’ve pushed our playoff team to a top three seed but explain how we would’ve acquired him.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 19, 2011 1:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
We would have cap room
if we let Diop or Maggette go. We would have cap room if we didnt resign Derrick Brown. We would have cap room if we traded DJ for Speights or a player of the like. We would have cap room if we moved Diaw for Beasely. We would have cap room if we moved Tyrus. Im not saying do all of this but it was plenty of ways we could have a young team and plenty of cap room without overpending.
Cap room to do what?
Pay Nene or Chandler 15 million a year? Sign Thornton to an 8 million dollar deal? What would you do with this money?
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 19, 2011 1:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Because there are so many amenities that other places offer.
Stars don’t want a competitive team in a small market. They want a championship contending team in a large market. We are the exact opposite of what big stars desire.
I was born in Charlotte, lived in Orlando, and now live in LA. If I were a NBA Star, I’d choose the contending team LA hands down over whatever team rinky dink Charlotte is fielding.
You dont have to keep saying rinky dink Charlotte we get it you think the city sucks
You do realize that sometimes big market teams dont have the money to sign a FA or just arent inerested.
No, I actually like Charlotte.
But it pales in comparison to bigger and better cities.
Mmmhmm, and it doesn’t matter if 1 team doesn’t have cap space or interest. Another will. You still haven’t given me any convincing reason(s) to believe/understand why a star would come here….
Then dont believe it I honestly dont care
Im not going to sit here and keep giving you reasons that you will shoot down to try and prove your point whenever someone has proven you wrong. I mean I dont care about giving you reasons if your not smart enough to know how FA works.
Wow, so, you are just going to quit and deride my intelligence? Wow!
I asked for you to convincingly persuade me into thinking that I’m wrong. Lay out a case. You havaen’t even BEGUN to lay out a convincing case. You’ve just added tidbits and tic-tac comments that don’t persuade or prove your point. Like I said, lay out a convincing case and I’ll concede. Just do that. It shouldn’t be that difficult.
And by the way, I graduated from UNC Chapel Hill, AKA ‘public ivy’ with a tremendous GPA. So, I’m not a dolt. Actually, that might be you, since you can’t even string together a well-rounded argument.
It's cool dude.
I think we’d be better off to just agree to disagree. We’re both Bobcat fans, and want the same for our team. Here’s to hoping we can someday (soon) win a title!
All im going to say is
That Paul didnt care what market he was in he just wanted to go to a place with a team already built around him because he was talking about going to Golden State so their is always an exception you can never predict what players want. We may never get a superstar in FA but you are an absolute idiot if you dont think we could get a FA like NENE, Gasol, or Chandler and I dont mean to keep naming C but those caliber of players. Those guys are not looking to get into big markets because it would not make them anymore famous take Amare Stoudamire for example you dont see him anywhere in the media since going to NY because he is not a superstar. All star caliber FA are looking for a winning team and money and in a few years that is what Charlotte will have I mean we just got Williams from teams like NY and Chicago and he was a decent sized free agent, do you want to explain why he picked rinky dink Charlotte? Once we draft good players and add good role players and even add some starters in FA then we will get big FA no maybe not Howards or Paul but we will get all stars and then we will have a team to contend. Just so you know if Cleveland and NOLA would have been able to keep James and Paul if they would have tryed harder to put a winning team around them. James left because Cleveland wouldnt put a team around him to win and trust me they could have but they made bad desicions and he went Miami which is only a middle market city it is not up there with NY and LA and the same goes for NOLA with Paul they never put a team around him to win a championship so he had no choice but to leave so its not like all superstars just want to leave there small market teams to go to big ones, Howard even has said he wants to stay in orlando but they have to make changes to become contenders for him too.Also if we are closer to winning a championship the LA or NY and will pay just as much money then they will come here because we give them the best chance to win and that is what most care about but if NY and LA are closer then of course they will sign there.
Ever heard of paragraphs?
They’re great! And they make your writing easier to read by laying out your points. I’d suggest you take a look into it!
it's a blog
traditional grammar applications don’t necessarily apply
look it up!
So do you not beleive when can get any significant FA?
Or just superstars like Howard and Paul? Once we are a playoff team do you not think we can land a FA like Nene and those caliber of FA?
Orlando is a small market team
and it looks like Dwight is staying
so probably our only chance of ever getting a superstar long term is through the draft and then convincing him to stay
At this stage your exactly right
only way we get a superstar at the moment is by the draft.
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But that's the key.
How long do you think the Lakers and Celtics will maintain their contender status? Odom was traded for nothing. L.a. won’t compete for a title this year. Boston is pretty much done. Jeff green is already out for the year and they don’t even have a complete roster.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 19, 2011 1:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
They will keep contending.
Because more elite FA will keep coming. Dwight is probably just waiting out his contract so he can sign with a big market team on his own terms next year.
I don't see any stars moving to any of those teams soon.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 20, 2011 10:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
if boston
lets allen and kg go after this season
i could envision howard signing with them
Possibly.
I think New Jersey is where he will ultimately end up though.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 21, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
it's pretty much gonna be
last season all over again
dwight and deron will end up in the same place
and if they do, i bet they win more championships than lebron & co
They would definately have a better chance.
PG and C are definitely the two most important spots on the floor. The Heat can win a title off of pure talent, but they wouldn’t be built to win like a combo of Howard and Williams would.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 21, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
You are asking me to name motivations for players.
I can’t. I’m not those players. But here’s a list of possible reasons, picked at random.
1. You don’t want to live in a wordly and cosmopolitan big city. (What?!) I know – hear me out. I’m willing to bet that a lot of us on this site don’t want to live in a huge city. Pollution, difficulty traveling everywhere, higher (even if only perceived) crime rates, higher cost of living. A smaller city like Charlotte still affords you plenty of things to do without most of those negatives.
2. They are worried about money. Surprise! If they got paid nothing at all, how many do you think would still be playing?
3. They desire a championship on their own terms. Lebron could have gone down as the greatest player of all time if he had taken that group of scrubs and won a title with them. Now? He’ll go down as the greatest side-kick of all time. (Even if that’s not fair, it’s the perception many will have.)
4. Success is defined in many different ways. See one of my above posts.
5. Some people enjoy the challenge. If D12 comes here and suddenly we became title contenders (even if a longshot) for the next few years? That could change our fortunes. We could become talked about and begin the path to becoming the Lakers. Fans would forget about Gerald Wallace and instead remember Howard as the first great Bobcats player of all time. It’s something a legacy could be built on.
6. Charlotte: the only city where being a Grandmama is cool.

7. I plan on moving away from NC when I get into my career … but that’s tearing me up. I really don’t want to leave my friends behind. If there was a way for me to stay in NC and still get into my desired career, I would. Family and friends matter. If you grew up in NC, they will likely be in NC. People want to stay close to home.
There are plenty of reasons. I’m not saying it will happen next year or the year after, but eventually we’ll get a FA elite player. We’ve currently got an owner who will do whatever it takes to get one and that’s conducive to actually getting one. It’s just a matter of time. It may be 20 or 30 years, but eventually the right set of circumstances will present itself and one will come. If you build it, they will come.
by Tim Rudisill on Dec 19, 2011 8:42 AM EST up reply actions
Well done.
I asked you to lay out a case, and you’ve done that. I respect these points as valid, even though I disagree with them and the thesis. Well done. LOVE the Grandmama reference! Those were the days…
Lol. Before last
Week, the clippers were known as the joke of the league and now they are some kind of free agent destination? Lol. It’s all in the players dude. Blake Griffin is the only reason Paul decided to pick up his option. Blake griffin being with the clippers is the result of them sucking enough to have the opportunity to choose him with the top pick in the draft. I don’t know why you two are trying to make it harder than it is, but that is the plan for us now. No one in their right mind thinks at this point a star would want to come here. But if we get a top pick in the draft and use it on a player who looks like a certified star, Kemba, hendo, and Bismack play their roles well and look like excellent complimentary pieces, and we have a ton of cap room to sign a couple of really good players, explain why they wouldn’t want to come here other than the fact you just don’t think Charlotte is worthy of their greatness.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 19, 2011 1:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The Clippers
were predicted to make a playoff push before Paul, Butler or Billups. Of course their plan was to sign a FA SF but other than that, they were predicted to go with the team they had. So its not farfetched to think they have a better chance now that they have Paul, Billups and Butler.
The Clippers would've still struggled to make the
Playoffs had they not traded for Paul. And the Donald Sterling jokes still exist no matter what moves they just made.
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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 19, 2011 1:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Find me ONE person who thought the Clippers would make the playoffs before they made these moves.
You can say bullshit like “they were predicted” but once again, without any real factual basis, you’re just talking out your ass like usual.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 19, 2011 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
Anybody else wondering why we are not making any moves
Do you think they are just gonna feel the roster spaces with roster invites?
There are no players who make sense for both the present and the future that we're willing to give guaranteed contracts to.
by Panthers FTW on Dec 18, 2011 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
as much as I want us to fill the headlines with topics of trades and pickups, its really no plausible move to make. Unless we are going to grab a D-League player. Summers and Uzoh are the only invite players that make any sense. They actually fill a need. And even then they come second to finding someone to cover some center minutes with Diaw. Cut Diop and pickup a D-league Center or undrafted FA Center. Other than that, just wait it out. We also have 5mil in trade exception money. But even then I say pick up just a cheap capable center. Save the rest for a deadline trade. Wait it out
He is probably imagining those are a pair of breats
And it looks like he is about to motorboat the shit out of those things
If Diaw buys into this
It can actually work. It could be like Troy Murphy in Indy or David Lee (anywhere) with a more complex mechanism. Defensively, it can hurt. Tyrus would have to switch on the center or DJ White on defense. But offensively Diaw could bring a lil trouble to the opposing center. The thing about this is that all of our players would have to focus solely on rebounding. Bc if our center is shooting a long distance shot, there are no rebounders under the net. This could slow down our transition buckets but…if everyone is fully committed to rebounding then this could be the start of something different.
What would be great is if he bought into it...
Started playing like an All-Star, and then flip him for a top draft pick. But that’s just not going to happen…
Probably not
but you better believe teams are going to be payin close attention to such a ridiculous idea of having Diaw playing Center. IF he’s good at center, then he just adds another skill to his repertoire. That will boost his stock if only a little. I can see this being the year of the Bo-Jo…MY PREDICTION: 14ppg 7rebs 5assts…
What pisses me off is this idiot could average 20 PPG
But just because of his play style he refuses.
As Silas says
Diaw will play but he just has to buy into it. He would do magic on a contender bc of his ability. I think sometimes he forgets that this is a competitive sport. And he ends up passing the ball to guys he feels like should take a shot instead of taking the shot himself. I dont think we’ll ever channel an aggressive version of Diaw. We can only hope he shows off bc its his contract year..
I know yal might not like this
But since the topic is about SGs. I say we sign Terrico White. Another young explosive player with an all around game. He isnt great but he’s decent. Plus Kemba needs someone from the bench to grow with. White can jump outta the gym. He can hit the 3 and he isnt afraid to take it to the basket. He’ll also be a good backup to Hendo. So that Williams can just focus on being a SF once he returns. He was cut by the Pistons to make room for the ridiculous contract of Jonas Jerebko. I say we take a chance on him.
Hehehe.
I read “another young explosive player” and I immediately had this mental image of him running into the other teams huddle, taking off his shirt to reveal some C-4 and then blowing up in the middle of the huddle. The crowd then cheers wildly.
I’ve really been watching too much MI-5 recently.
It sort of reminds me of that movie where this one team had the greatest player of all time. He dies in the movie but comes back later. It was revealed that the team had his DNA and a lifetime contract, so they just keep cloning him. Or something like that. I can’t remember what movie that was.
by Tim Rudisill on Dec 19, 2011 8:45 AM EST up reply actions

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