No Love For Captain Jack?
"I wanted out pretty bad. Things were going bad. I was getting blamed for everything. I wasn't seeing eye to eye with the team. I got fined in the preseason, which was ridiculous. It was just a lot of things that I didn't agree with that was going on."- Stephen Jackson on why he wanted out of Golden State
From the outside looking in, I knew exactly where Jackson was coming from when he made those comments to the Associate Press (AP) back in 2009. I had questioned all of the Warrior's personnel moves the months before the trade between the Warrior and Bobcats went down. Although different circumstances led to each player's ultimate departure, I really couldn't see why Golden State had such trouble keeping together a team that had upset the Dallas Mavericks in the playoffs. Jax, Baron Davis, Jason Richardson, Matt Barnes, Monta Ellis, Andris Biedrins, Mickael Pietrus, Al Harrington. I mean, that roster could do serious damage today! But like all of the other good Warrior teams, the organization let the key cogs slip away.
Jackson refused to be a part of a rebuilding mediocre team. Why? Not because they were mediocre. Golden State had been terrible for years before (with 38 being their highest win total since a 50 win campaign in 1993-1994) that ultimate playoff upset in 2007, but because the organization gave off signs that it would never be a winner, pulling off one of the most monumental upsets in sports history only to disband the team months later.
I admit, Stephen Jackson is probably the closest thing to a thug/gangster that you'll ever see in the NBA which even scares some fans from being fans. The strip club gun incident and the Palace Brawl only add to the "Bad Boy" perception Jackson has managed to create through his explosive on the court attitude and tattoos. I probably have a much softer spot for Captain Jack and his antics than your usual NBA fan because I grew up around people that are, well, just like him. And I understand the concern, it's just honestly, I feel like he and people like him are misunderstood. Instead of looking at Jackson as a player ready to explode, I seem him as a player desperate to win. And instead of seeing the Palace Brawl as a thug being a thug, I see it as someone being the ultimate teammate.
When you play basketball, and you're REALLY playing basketball, you get into a mode where nothing or nobody can touch you. At least, I know I do. I'm not talking about your daily shootarounds with the kids or your 3 point contests with friends at the local YMCA, I'm talking about really getting down to business. That I'm going to beat you, and you don't have a chance type of play. It's a mode that sets all-time greats like Michael Jordan and Bryant apart from other greats like LeBron James (so far) and Patrick Ewing. It's a mode that Jackson gets in every time he plays the game. And it's a mode that pushed the Bobcats into the playoffs for the first time ever.
Realize, all of these NBA players are talented, but the amount of confidence each player displays is what really sets them apart. Jack is the ultimate confidence guy, even proclaiming to be better than Kobe Bryant on one particular occasion, and that's why he's so important to the team. He brings a level of confidence to the Bobcat organization that they had never seen before. Is it a coincidence that right after we made the trade for Jackson, we became a playoff contender for the first time in franchise history? I mean, think about it. We had a pretty decent roster in Larry's first year and we were still only able to pull 35 wins out of it (the franchise record high at that point). In some ways, you can attribute the Bobcats being a legitimate team in the league directly to Jackson.
Since Paul Silas has taken over the reigns from Larry Brown, the team is 6-2 and Jackson has lead the team in scoring (21 pt. avg.) every game except for yesterday's victory over the Chicago Bulls and a victory over the Minnesota Timberwolves on January 5th in which he didn't play. A few weeks ago, we all agreed that Larry Brown was the main issue with the Bobcats miserable start, but Jackson is still receiving a lot of the blame as well. Why?
1. Because he argued with Boris Diaw about a pass that wasn't his fault. : Listen, I know that it was completely Jackson's fault for throwing that pass in the first place and his hollering at Boris was totally unwarranted, but why can't we treat that as an isolated incident? There have been plenty of times since then where I've seen Jackson high five Boris for executing on some of his passes and vice versa. Jackson is a good teammate. He's just fiery and can sometimes let his emotions get to him, much like the man he compares himself to, Kobe. Besides, doesn't this look like guys getting along?
2. Because he continues to take jabs at Larry Brown. : Although I agree with you guys that it's probably time to lay off of Larry (I have a soft spot for people who look like turtles), what Jackson is saying is true. D.J. has said it in so many words, Tyrus has said it, hell, even Matt Carroll was said it. it's just a different atmosphere in Charlotte. Even we, the fans can tell. No one around the league is looking at an interview with Jackson talking about how much better life is now and thinking he's going overboard, just us here because we're waiting for Jackson to "explode".
3. Because he took a bad shot to end the Warriors game. : You wouldn't believe how many players have done flat out questionable things to end close games this year. I've seen it myself. From Kobe Bryant, to Andray Blatche, to Monta Ellis, to Zach Randolph, players do dumb things to end the game sometimes and don't use their heads. Sometimes it works, a lot of the time, it doesn't. Obviously, with momentum on our side and the refs calling everythiing on the Warriors, the best move would have been for Jackson to drive the lane and attempt to draw a foul. Instead, he hoists up a 3 point shot with us only being down 1. But I think the fact that even with that let down, the team is moving full steam of ahead is enough to let that one slide. It's not the first time it's happened, and as long as players like J.R. Smith are around the league, it won't be the last.
4. Because, he's Stephen Jackson. : Again, I understand everyone's concern about the man being ready to blow up, but how fair is it to label a man a ticking time bomb when he hasn't really done anything to put off those vibes in weeks. The whole mood of the team under Larry Brown was different, and I'm absolutely sure some of the things that Larry was preaching in practice were getting under his skin. But let's not judge Jax differently because of his history. All of the players were complaining to some extent. Those 3 30 point losses in less than 2 weeks(think about that for a second and say "wow" to yourself) were proof in my eyes that the whole team mentally checked out to Larry. I don't hold it against Jax that he was one of them. The only player that probably misses Larry right now is Dominic McGuire, for obvious reasons.
A trade for Stephen Jackson netting fair value is virtually impossible because he means so much more to us than teams "think" he would mean to them. However, from years of just watching the NBA and learning about player mentalities, I know that Jackson could push a lot of borderline teams over the hump. Which is the same that he does for us. He pushes us from being bad to being decent, and for a team like the Dallas Mavericks, he could probably push them from being perennial playoff contender to being a championship contender.
The fact that teams aren't interested in giving us fair value back to me is enough alone to hold onto Jack. After all, after this year, he only has 2 years remaining on his contract. For those of us worrying about him getting old, all we have to worry about is him not slowing down this year (looks like he's doing fine so far) and being able to put out a decent effort next year (debatable, but I think he can). In 2 years, Jackson will be an expiring 10 million dollar contract and his value will be higher than ever, no matter what decline he suffers. As for the ticking time bomb theory, I'm not worrying about the implosion, because he still has eyes on him...................
Til then, I think we need to think about who gave the Bobcats fans hope in the start by making love to pressure.
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Im glad someone see’s things my way. Good write.
Jax is the only guy on this team that can get his own shot any time he wants. In the Bulls win jax took over in the 4th quarter when our offense had stalled. In the playoffs when games slow down and deffenses pick up we need Jax out there to have a chance to win. As much as Jax’s turnovers and questionable shots can be frustrating He gives us our best chance to win. I have always seen Jax as a great teamate and his off the court issues seem to be in the past. As long as the Good outweighs the bad we should keep Jax around.
Can't really agree with either option
I’m not 100% certain that he’s our MVP with D.J.‘s emergence this season. On the other hand, I definitely don’t think he’s toxic to the point where he must be removed ASAP.
Out of the four reasons you mentioned, the only that really ground my gears was the Diaw incident. It wasn’t even that he blasted Boris so much that he kept doing so, several plays later, to the point that Wallace had to interject himself and tell Jack to let it go.
Other than that, I for one have seen Jax a lot more calm during dubious calls than he has been in the past. He’s simply turned and walked away on a handful of occasions, and during the last few games, one could argue that Thomas was way more demonstrative than Jackson was.
Captain Jack is cool with me. I do still think he should be the first to go IF we’re just hell bent on making a trade, but unless we’re getting a nice return on the deal, I’m just fine with #1 staying in a Bobcats uniform.
Paul Silas FTW!
by Newsinz on Jan 14, 2011 2:23 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I forgot to reiterate
that Jackson is one half of the highest scoring backcourt tandem in the NBA since Paul Silas took over. What’s not to love about Jax in this scenario?
Paul Silas FTW!
Agree, I can't vote either of those choices
The Bobcats seem to have found a new life under Silas. Even if the best the Bobcats can do is a repeat of last season’s playoff sweep, last season was a lot of fun. Unless there is a really beneficial trade out there, they should keep their core (Wallace, Jax, DJ, Thomas) together and make a playoff run. But an aging Jax’s production is likely to decline, while his contract gets more expensive so team MVP talk is too much.
I too am unable to vote for either choice offered in the poll.
I don’t think Jack should be the first choice of our “A” team to be traded. I will always give Diaw that slot until he’s gone.
I definitely feel he needs to be watched closer than anyone else on our team because of his volatile history.
I definitely feel that if we can get decent future value (I’m talking trade picks or young studs with big upside potential) we should be willing to let him go. He may still be an immediate asset, but the clock is ticking and all those 40 minute nights aren’t going to help him stay young. I’m looking at 2014 and beyond here and young talent is the lifeblood of any NBA team that doesn’t want to just be a flash in the pan every 6 years or so.
Should we trade him just to be rid of him? Hell no. He is still one of our best contributors on both ends of the court most nights. The efforts he has made to control his temper (even if they are solely motivated by his wallet) should also be noted and he deserved to be lauded for them. He had an absolutely crap night against the Bulls and like all truly good ballers, he still managed to work through it and make an important impact before it was over as did DJ when he started off cruddy less than a week ago.
P.S. - Is it an interim fling or a permanent bromance?
by Ourdaywillcome on Jan 14, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah...I didn't vote...
I agree he’s an integral part and it needs to take something good to get him out of Charlotte…..MVP? Nah…Integral part.
As for toxic…well Silas took some of the venom out…and the rest remains to be seen…
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For those questioning the poll,
I set it up like that for a reason. Because really, you either feel one way or the other. You either want Jax here or you don’t. There are always third options, and I had one listed at first, but decided to remove it because it was a common sense answer of basically “trade him for a fair package”. Like I say, there is no fair package at this point, so that answer basically had to be eliminated. And I don’t really see what’s so far fetched about the team MVP talk. Wallace has been hurt, Tyrus has been inconsistent (not all his fault), and D.J. is just now starting to turn it on. Jax has been there all year doing what he does.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 14, 2011 4:43 PM EST reply actions
You can't honestly say, "you either feel one way or the other."
1. You can’t know other people’s opinions nor correctly dictate them.
2. It’s as logical as saying, “you can’t have any opinion about Jack other than he’s an MVP or he isn’t.” There are always shades of gray.
One of the reasons the Jack talk keeps lingering is because you’ve refused to accept that any shades of gray are possible. You’re telling us we either love him or want him dead and gone. For many of us, neither is true. Saying it and even demanding people chose one extreme or the other doesn’t make it the truth.
P.S. - Is it an interim fling or a permanent bromance?
by Ourdaywillcome on Jan 14, 2011 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
Like I say, it's much too logical to pick
an answer like “get rid of over 30 year old guard with a temper problem” for a decent return and only a decent return. Everyone would be in that grey area. The thing about this site I’ve learned is that people either are one way on Jackson or the other. There are those that want him gone, there are those that want him here, and then there are those who flip flop on their own thought process after Jackson has a good or a bad game. Those that are firmly in Jackson’s corner, for the most part at least, have no problem classifying him as the team’s MVP because they recognize, or at least also think, that Jackson’s impact is far greater than what the stats are showing. I’m sure some will argue that Tyrus or D.J. should be considered MVP’s of the team, but the bottom line is that neither of those bring or have demonstrated an ability to bring that extra attitude to the game that Jackson does, and that’s what makes him the most valuable to the team. Then, you have those, such as Adam, who have come to the conclusion that Jackson is a pure cancer to the team despite all the good that he brings and wants him gone. Despite our disagreement, I give Adam respect for his views because he doesn’t waver in his opinions on Jackson. Whether he has a good game or a bad game, he wants Jackson out of here, period. As for that grey area, I chose not to deal with it period because, like I say, most of that is dependent on how Jackson does game after game. The poll was really for those who firmly believe in what they believe in, rather than what people believe in a the moment.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 14, 2011 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
Then I guess I'm the exception.
I am neither the site, nor do I believe that the dozens of people that post here are in one camp or the other. If you don’t respect my position that’s okay. I’m not here for anyone’s approval. But I’m also not here to be told what I think or what I have to think. I don’t marginalize or pigeon-hole people, nor do I think any micro or macrocosm can be painted in broad generalization strokes.
It’s really very simple. If Jack plays like crap, or if his temper flares, I’m gonna call him on it. Just like I acknowledge his accomplishments on the nights that he does carry the team. I’ve said it before, I’m a realist. If his negative trends come to outweigh his positives (as I feel Diaw’s have since he came to Charlotte) I’ll call for the trade. I think Brown’s exit may represent a dodged bullet when it comes to Jackson. He’s largely reining in his temper again and focused on playing. But ignoring the potential for that to change if he gets unhappy again is just asking for trouble. He needs to be watched with a close eye.
I have no problem whatsoever with anyone disagreeing with me. I just don’t like it when anyone tries to give me my own opinion and tell me I’m wrong when I say, “no, that’s not how I feel at all.” It’s my brain, not anyone else’s and after 50+ years I’m quite capable of understanding it.
(Oh, and just because it’s easy to misinterpret a person’s emotions in cybercommunications, let me clarify. I’m not in any way angry or feeling aggressive with my comments. I’m just maintaining my right to have my own opinions, as are others.)
P.S. - Is it an interim fling or a permanent bromance?
by Ourdaywillcome on Jan 14, 2011 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
I never said I didn't respect your opinion OD.
On the contrary, if I ran the franchise and had to pick some people off the site to help me run it, you and Procton would be my top advisers to measure the positives and negatives of each decision. However, for the purposes of this thread, your opinion, and those like you, aren’t really as relevant because they go into that gray area I was trying to avoid. Your thoughts on him are that as long as he is producing and on good behavior, we should keep him around……………..which I think we could all agree with.
This thread is solely for those that want to get rid of Jackson for one of a few reasons…………..
1. They are absolutely certain another meltdown is upon us.
2. They feel as though Henderson is ready to start in the NBA.
3. They think Jackson will deteriorate tremendously before his contract is up.
This thread is simply a reminder that……..
1. A lot of those signs of a meltdown can be attributed to Larry Brown.
2. Henderson doesn’t bring the X factor to the table that Jackson does.
3. His contract doesn’t last that long to the point where we can expect him to become useless.
I’m neither trying to influence anyone’s thoughts or tell them how they feel. You’re smart enough to make your own decisions and I understand where they come from. The night Jax made that pass and was arguing with Boris, I was right there along with you guys calling him out on it and saying that if that behavior continues, we should ship him out. And if Jax went 0-8 tonight, 1-9 the next game, and 3-12 the next, I’d suggest shipping him out. But he hasn’t played nearly that bad and haven’t had any implosions.
To be honest OD, I had you in mind a little as I was writing this thread because from what I’ve gathered over the weeks from your opinion on the situation is that we should hold on to Jax as long as he and the team were playing decent and he wasn’t flipping on teammates, but we should consider selling him while his value was escalating again. That’s a strategy I can’t really argue with at all because it’s the same one I would use. However, there are those who want Jax gone regardless of production because of a fear of what would happen and the negative things that have happened. Then, on the other side of the fence are guys like me that like to say, almost guarantee that Jax won’t implode and his production won’t fall off. In the middle, is everyone else.
The overall point of my post is that I think Jax means a lot more to the team’s success than some of us give him credit for and to see how many people feel one way or another, also meaning that even though the thread was to try to give everyone a different perspective on Jax, the poll was more meant for extremist for either side. I apologize if anyone felt that you had to feel one way or another, but it’s not really about that. It was more about seeing how many people felt that one way or another, instead of the gray area.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 14, 2011 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
And I can respect that.
I could kind of tell the parts of the fanpost where you had me in mind. 8-D
Yes, there are people (most vocally, Adam) that want Jackson out no matter what. Before the exodus of the Brown staff I was among them.
But even though it seemed to take Jack a bit longer than the rest of the team to realize that the dark cloud followed Brown out of town, he’s been almost a “model citizen” since.
I truly think we got a reprieve and the Brown firing prevented Jack from blowing up and acting out in frustration. How long that lasts remains to be seen. But he’s once again become one of the pillars holding this team up and even on his bad nights he usually finds ways to contribute. I think right now he and DJ Augustin are the pair that have taken fullest advantage of the new atmosphere. Trading either away right now would be season suicide on Jordan’s part unless they were replaced with an NBA top 3 player at each of their positions.
P.S. - Is it an interim fling or a permanent bromance?
by Ourdaywillcome on Jan 15, 2011 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
There ya go.
And that’s all I’m really saying. He and D.J. seem to be really flourishing under Silas. And we all recognize Jax’ faults. Silas does too. I think after that Hornets game, he was speaking to Jax in particular. I know he was as a matter of fact. But he was also speaking to Crash and Tyrus Thomas about not fussing with the refs and getting back. I love Silas’ approach to the situation as well saying that they’ve already moved on and they will go back with the players and show them how complaining with refs takes their heads out of the game. It makes you wonder if any of the previous coaches ever took the time to emphasize not complaining to the refs. I mean, I know Jax is a grown man and can get emotional about some of those things, but if a coach has never sat down with him and went over game film with him and showed him how his complaining hurt us on getting back on d, then that’s just not good coaching.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 17, 2011 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
I really like the new coaching approach as well.
The Silas/Oakley good cop/bad cop routine is working well even though I’m sure the players are as aware of it as we are.
The questions are starting to come up again regarding Derrick Brown’s playing time and the 40+ minutes our starters are logging, so I guess the honeymoon’s over for a lot of folks. But I look at D Brown sitting on the bench and all I can think is, “well dude, you shouldn’t have done such a crap job the last few times Silas sent you out there.” Brown’s role with this club is all tied to momentum. If we’re surging, he’s supposed to keep it going and build on it. If we’re losing our confidence, it’s his job to go out on the court and inspire the team with his amazing ability to drive the lane and dunk loudly enough that it registers on siesmogaphs at Lake Norman. The last times he actually played he did little but run around on the wing for a few minutes. A little time to reflect is good for Brown’s soul. It’ll make him hungry again – eager to please, if you will. I think it’s about time (with Thomas out today it’s the PERFECT time) for Silas to send Derrick to the starter’s table and end his “timeout” punishment. If he fails to produce after a game or two, hasta la vista baby. We all know what the man can do. If he doesn’t do it, we should send him somewhere else to not do it all he wants.
As for Jack – I can handle the mini-slumps his volume shooting brings here and there. But if he had been the one throwing that elbow into Okafor’s snack dispenser (nose) two things would have happened.
1. HIS fine would have been at least $25K and a week’s suspension without pay. That’s just how the league rolls when it comes to Jackson.
2. The sound of Okafor hitting the floor would have echoed loudly across the league and any value his remarkable skills have had will vanish like ice in a bonfire.
P.S. - Is it an interim fling or a permanent bromance?
by Ourdaywillcome on Jan 17, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Thinking on Derrick Brown...
you think maybe he’s been trying so hard to develop his jump shot that he forgot how he was playing last season, preseason, and the beginning of this season? Perhaps LB took his will to dunk and hid it above a ceiling tile in the locker room…
I really haven’t seen him NEAR the intensity that he was at…and it also appears that Hendo has stolen that intensity and uses it on defense.
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by andrewlail76 on Jan 17, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know why.
Maybe he’s eaten a few too many donutburgers or something. But it’s pretty obvious that he has had absolutely no hunger of late.
Perhaps he’s been sneaking some time on the Segway when Boris isn’t looking, but the past several times he was given burn he’s acted like Mini Diaw, or “Nonchallance 2 – just when you thought it was safe to go back to the Cable Box.”
P.S. - Is it an interim fling or a permanent bromance?
by Ourdaywillcome on Jan 17, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
When you put it that way, then I will say "I want Jax here."
But I will still contend that I neither think he’s our MVP this season, nor that he is a cancer that must be removed by any means necessary. For whatever it’s worth, I’d go with MVP if I had to make a choice.
Currently researching for a way to trade rosterbation threads to another team's blog site while receiving maximum value in return.
Who do you feel is MVP for us at this point in the season?
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 14, 2011 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
I vote DJ
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by andrewlail76 on Jan 15, 2011 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed!
DEEEEEEEEEE-JAAAAAAAAAAY….Augustin!
Gerald Wallace is the way, the truth, and the light
by Air_Bobcats on Jan 15, 2011 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
He certainly deserves a mention and I understand the debate,
but looking over the full season thus far……………
Jax : 18.7 ppg, 4.2 apg, 4.6 reb, 1.5 spg
D.J.: 14.2 ppg, 6.3 apg, 3.1 reb, .6 spg
I think that D.J. is our most “untouchable” asset and think he’s been integral to the team’s success thus far, but not MVP. I think we could get by with starting Livingston at the point for a while, but we won’t get by too long without Jack in the lineup.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 15, 2011 1:17 AM EST up reply actions
Valid
Though I think if you just look post-Silas (which you might as well when talking MVP, because it’s when we’ve started winning) DJ has to be the guy. I mean, I still think Jax would be a close second, so it’s really no big deal.
Actually though, I’d be more afraid to lose DJ right now. It scared the crap out of me when he went down for a second in the game tonight, but then he popped up. It’s a big loss either way, but the way hendo is playing right now, with his impeccable defense and passable offense, I think we’d be OK for a short stretch. I’m not as confident that we could get by without DJ pushing the tempo, initiating the offense, and dropping dimes like he’s been doing of late
Gerald Wallace is the way, the truth, and the light
I feel where you're coming from,
I just don’t see anyone there to replicate Jackson’s output on the offensive in. Henderson has looked pretty decent in spurts, but I just don’t think he’s ready for the starting position. Livingston, I think can operate our offense despite his poor outside shooting. His knee is just the biggest concern. But, ya know, I really can’t debate the D.J. argument too much because if we were talking strictly under Silas, I’d say him. I was just going by who I think has been the MVP over the full season so far. I also measure in Jackson’s cold blooded approach to the game. I think D.J. has it in him because he’s been pulling up jumpshots in people’s faces a lot lately and making it, but I just gotta see him be that confident at the end of the games more often before I think he’s ready to take over on offense, though, he has already finished off a couple of games by drawing fouls and making the free throws.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 15, 2011 1:45 AM EST up reply actions
Yea clearly they both bring a lot
I think our offense is screwed if either of them go away, which is what concerns me about potentially trading Jackson. There is certainly justification for it if we can acquire a quality future piece, but unless that future piece can contribute right away we’re gonna have some offensive issues for the rest of this season for sure
Gerald Wallace is the way, the truth, and the light
Most definitely.
The makeup of this team really hinges on having a player like Jax around, not only to take on the offensive load, but to also inject a “swag” into the team. There aren’t many players in the league that can do that, and most of the ones that are are just out of our price range. I just don’t think we’ll get anything close to fair back for Jax in a return because of all the extra baggage. However, if we’re not looking like we can be a playoff team around the deadline, we should be making plans to deal Jax, Crash, and Diaw and prepare for the future.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 17, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
we all know what i voted
the whole point of the post here Mr. Bobcat can be summed up in one single sentence: Again, I understand everyone’s concern about the man being ready to blow up, but how fair is it to label a man a ticking time bomb when he hasn’t really done anything to put off those vibes in weeks.
The entire point is he was putting off those vibes. I could give a crap about how bad Larry Brown was, Jackson is paid millions of dollars to be our leader and acting like an idiot, regardless of the reason, is inexcusable. Basically, what you’re saying is that it was ok that he was starting to show signs of wearing out his welcome, which he has done to every single team he’s played for, including San Antonio, because we had a moron for a coach?
What happens when we lose some games under Paul Silas, or Silas doesn’t play him as many minutes because Henderson is having a good game? What happens when he has a run in with Oakley in practice?
Silas coming along has given everyone a fresh start, but of all the players, ONLY Boris Diaw and Stephen Jackson have given us reason to scratch our heads already. Boris with his questionable commitment to the game and Jackson with his “bad shot to end all bad shots” and the several other bad shots he’s taken as well.
Jackson compares himself to Kobe Bryant, but in no way, shape or form is he even close to Kobe. For starters, Kobe isn’t a true volume scorer like Jack. Kobe can be hot from tip off to buzzer. And Kobe Bryant doesn’t make stupid passes.
You say take things as isolated incidences, when the reality is, five, ten, twenty isolated incidents no longer are incidents, they’re trends.
But you look at the smallest, simplest things as "trends".
You think Boris Diaw is still worried about Jack doing that? You’re overreacting to small situations because you are waiting for something to happen. The truth is, Jack is the SAME exact player that he was when he got here and he’s been doing the same exact things. He’s always been the type to get techs and he’s always been the type to get overemotional sometimes. Hey, it’s the NBA, I’d rather have someone being emotional rather than care free every game. I really don’t think you appreciate and/or realize the impact that Jackson’s arrival had on this team in the first place. Henderson was here already, as was Wallace, as was D.J. as was Diaw, Derrick Brown, Tyson Chandler, and Raymond Felton. We had plenty of talent, but none of those players were/are able to offer what Jack does and that’s why he’s been so significant to the team. The actual closest thing we had to him was Flip Murray because NONE of these other guys can create their own shots or even force double teams. What happens when Jackson loses some games under Paul Silas? Only time will tell, but it’s not going to be anywhere near as Apocolyptic as you think. The fact that the Bobcats were losing isn’t what turned the WHOLE TEAM off to Larry Brown. Why Jackson gets blamed for the whole team’s trangressions? Idk. And I think you may be confused a little about Jackson’s history. He didn’t wear out his welcome in New Jersey, San Antonio or Atlanta. The only place he really did that was in Indiana and that’s because they felt they had to blow the team up (though Larry Bird said he “loved” Jackson). As for Golden State, you’re forgetting that he was the captain of the team and still loved by teammates and coaches, he just demanded a trade. That’s not the same thing as “wearing out” your welcome.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 14, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
ive never
mentioned the boris thing, as i didn’t think it was a big deal as, say, od did
and yes, jack is the same player he was when he got here, the same player i wasn’t excited about getting here, the same player who i disliked so much i didn’t even get on in the “making love to pressure” jokes
there’s a difference between playing with emotion and playing like an ass… look at paul pierce and kg, both of them are VERY emotional players, but you don’t see them arguing every single call and getting t’d up so many times, it’s because they know how to control their tempers and use it in their games (for the record i also dislike kg)
oh and jackson already started arguing with paul silas today, over some missed screens, but HE was the one who didn’t communicate which is why silas told him basically yo shut the hell up and sit down
Of course he didn’t wear out his welcome in NJ, he was a rookie. But if you’ll remember, he was disgruntled in the resigning talks with the Spurs and that was ultimately the reason they didn’t resign him. I wouldn’t call that leaving on good terms. And as for Atlanta, well, I don’t recall anything official, but I doubt you suddenly trade away your best player who you just signed to a 38 million dollar contract because things are going well. (I say best because he lead the Hawks in scoring post all-star break that season)
and if he didnt wear out his welcome in GOLDEN STATE of all places, then you must’ve not seen the dozens of posts from warriors fans right here on this blog when the trade occured… or better yet, read this http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2009/09/28/stephen-jackson-unplugged-weve-been-taking-steps-back-since-we-beat-dallas/
and make sure to read some of the responses from warriors fans
you seem to think i’m being irrational, but the truth is, until the brown firing, we all knew exactly what was about to happen, and it’s only a matter of time before it happens again
Actually, I do see K.G. and Pierce arguing every call,
they are just considered “superstars”, and don’t get as much hell for it. So do players like Kobe and Dwight Howard. They do a hell of a lot more complaining than Jax do, but don’t catch nearly as much grief for it. As for the “arguing” with Silas, that’s what I’m saying about you being ready for him to blow up. Every little thing gets overstated with the guy. He can’t communicate with his coach at all without it being an argument? We don’t know what was said between the two, and the end result wasn’t Jackson being benched, so it obviously couldn’t have been that bad.
Of course Golden State fans are going to be bitchy towards a player after they choose to leave, but look at the Denver Nuggets’ site right now and tell me how many people have turned on Melo, or look at the Cavs’ site and see how many people hate LeBron. Would you say that either one of them wore out their welcome? You can’t listen to fans when they talk about wearing out welcomes as their comments/opinions are pretty much irrelevant towards the truth. Only the coaching staffs and the teammates can speak on something like that. And throughout all of the bad, Don Nelson, Monta Ellis, and others continued to give him props.
I mean, it’s fine to say that you were never on the Jackson bandwagon, but that’s also you telling me that the franchise’s first trip to the playoffs wasn’t that big of a deal to you. I don’t think you’re being totally irrational. Like I say, I understand your concerns, but good grief. The bottom line is to win games in this league. I’d rather have a team full of dysfunctional players playing for a playoff berth rather than have a bunch of friendly losers (as the Bobcats were for their first 6 years of existence) competing for a higher draft pick.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 14, 2011 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
seriously
you’re not even making sense anymore, warriors fans were hating jackson LONG before he made those comments
there’s a difference between arguing a call and being beligerant arguing a call. and pierce argues calls? look at last night? he almost fouled and and other than showing frustrationg, he never even said more than two words to a ref. jackson, on the other hand, spends 5 minutes arguing a call and occasionally he fails to get back on defense because he’s too busy arguing calls
also, i wasn’t saying that i cared he was arguing with his coach, it was more so that he was arguing about something that was his fault and if you saw the argument, several times silas started to head back to the bench and jackson kept on going
you’re right about the bottom line of hte league, winning is the most important thing, but you don’t have to sacrifice classy play for dysfunction. other than the pistons, can you name any dysfunctional team to have won a championship?
and by the way
You’re the one who posted why YOU thought “we” hated Captain Jack and then told us why “we” were wrong. Guess what? I’m far too intelligent to just make baseless opinions about people. And to that point, it’s my opinion; I have a right to it. You don’t have to agree and you don’t have to force your opinion on me.
Stephen Jackson is a talented player but I have and will always question his head until he proves to me otherwise with any consistency, just like I question Boris Diaw’s heart.
There is one thing I do like about Stephen Jackson and is that he has done a lot for charities but most people don’t know anything about it because he’s not the type to publicize things like that for attention. So for that, he gets props from me. But being a good person off the court doesn’t make him a good person or teammate on it.
And what the hell are you talking about?
Who is making baseless opinions about people and who is forcing their opinion on you? I’m glad you have a different opinion. The world would be boring as hell if everyone shared the same one. You’re going to have to explain, because any hate that I felt from you to Jackson came from your own words, not anything I “assumed” about you or forced on you. Every time I asked what you or a few others what was so bad about Jackson, it was the same things over and over. So for those few responses that I got basically 100% of the time, I gave my feelings on them. It wouldn’t have bothered me if you never clicked on, voted on, or commented on this post, so please don’t think this is all about you.
Like I said, I understand your “worries” about Stephen Jackson, but from the outside looking in, it’s almost like he can do no right to some of you. He can go 10 games straight with no incident at all, and the first time he slips up on anything, he’s the ultimate scapegoat for the team’s problems. Now this my not be exactly how you feel entirely, but from my perspective, that’s how it is. I’m just speaking on things I see. Again, this is not a thread dedicated to you.
And it’s good to see you give him props on some form or fashion and I’m glad that you can have an appreciation for that sort of work that he does. I have no problem with agreeing to disagree because like I said, me being where I’m from, I just don’t see Jax the same way some of you may. And I totally understand that.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 15, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
when you make a post
to go out of your way to tell people why they are wrong about thinking something (and the fact that you had to post those points clearly means you think they’re/im wrong), you’re trying to force your opinion on someone
i mean, you DID initiate this post
i dont care that you disagree with me, i care that you continue to tell me why my opinion doesnt matter (ie continue to say that im taking small things and turning them into big things). A bunch of small things ALWAYS equals a big thing.
Of course, it totally won’t matter in the end. Stephen Jackson will inevitably prove me right anyway. And I won’t be shocked.
And if he doesn’t and hte Bobcats keep winning, THAT’S GREAT. That doesn’t make my opinion of him any less valid because I’ve based my opinion on facts.
Adam,
it’s called writing. I don’t get paid for my writing and I’m not working for a television network or anything so I’m free to have opinionated views on sports. Every article written on this site comes from someone’s particular perspective sharing their opinion. What’s the difference with mine? My intents were not to change anyone’s views on Jackson, just to share mine and kill some free time at work.
Yes, I initiated the posts. I’ve initiated several. Again, this is not a thread dedicated to you.
And I know you don’t care that I disagree with you. I don’t care either really. I think in the end, all both of us want is a winning team, so I don’t feel the need to get into big arguments when we’re aiming at the same goal. We just share different views on how to get there.
I don’t think Jackson will do anything, but I wouldn’t be totally shocked if he did either. For the sake of the team, I’m hoping that he can keep it together. And writing from the perspective I’m writing from, I feel like he has a lot more self control than a lot of people give him credit for.
And I never said your opinion on him was less valid or inferior to mine. I’ve said several times that I understand your concern. But at the same time, I just think you’re overconcerned sometimes and wish something bad will happen just so you can say “I told you so”. Although I feel a certain way about it, that doesn’t make me think of you any less as a person though Adam. We don’t know eachother outside of this site and I would never take any of it to heart.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 17, 2011 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
the last thing i want
is an “i told you so situation”
I want the Bobcats to be a successful team. If that means they need Jackson than so be it, I just feel strongly that they would ultimately be better off without him.
I'm sorry,
I guess I was just ass-uming that you’d rather see Jax explode just so you could be proven right in the end. As far as the team being better off without him, I can agree to a certain extent even at this point that the team could benefit from him not being on the floor. Definitely wouldn’t have as much complaining and it would give the rest of the team an opportunity to open up on offense. I’m not opposed to moving Jax at all. I just want a fair return. And, ya know, considering his age, baggage, and contract, we won’t get anything close to fair. I’m all for getting rid of him if we’re not looking decent by the deadline though. I’m sure Jackson won’t be a part of a championship team in Charlotte (if we ever get one) and sometimes the best way to go is to trim that fat while people still think it’s good meat.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 17, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
What's not making sense?
I can point to web sites that say they hate Kobe, I can point to web sites that say they hate LeBron. Hell, there was once even a website dedicated to hating Jeff McInnis. What the hell does that prove? That the whole fan base hated them? Be serious. That’s just like saying the whole fan base hates Jackson now. Do you not realize that you’re STILL in the minority on that? You expect the whole world to feel the way you do about the man for whatever reason, maybe you feel threatened by him. But that’s just not the case. At all.
If you’re trying to argue Pierce’s complaining to me, that’s not even something for me to debate. I’ve been watching the Celtics for YEARS! One game doesn’t speak to his whole career. There have been plenty of games where Jackson has been close to fouling out but chose to keep his mouth shut this year alone, but you fail to remember those because you don’t want to.
You don’t think Kobe Bryant argues with people for things that are his fault? Besides, how do you even know what they were arguing about? Like I say, all you can do is assume how their conversation went. I choose not to assume anything, because I was always told that makes me something.
And you sound like David Stern with this classy play crap. No one is that bothered by Jackson’s complaining but the refs. Sometimes it has a negative effect when he’s standing back and arguing with the ref while the rest of the team is getting back, but obviously he’s still WAY too important to be benched through all of that. And EVERY team in the league has some dysfunction at some point and time. That’s just another case of you worrying about petty stuff too hard. Every time the Lakers go on a 2 or 3 game losing streak, their dysfunction in the locker room whether it’s between Kobe and Pau, Kobe and Phil, Ron and Phil, Phil and Andrew Bynum, Phil and the owners, it’s always something. Yet, if that was Stephen Jackson in the middle of that stuff, I’m sure you would place all of the blame on him as well. The Celtics are a championship team. Look at all the dysfunction they’ve had over the years. You’re acting like Stephen Jackson beats his teammates up or something. All of these issues you are talking about are minor.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 15, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
i dont think the lakers
would ever run into the stands to fight fans
you realize to this day stephen jackson won’t admit he was wrong to do that? even artest has apologized.
Well, the fact that Ron Artest is a champion Laker
and was the first one to run in the crowd negates that. If it’s true Stephen Jackson doesn’t feel he was wrong, I understand where he’s coming from. He wasn’t the one who got anything started that day. And though Artest has apologized, I’m sure in his mind he feels his actions were warranted.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 17, 2011 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
i understand
i personally don’t feel they did much wrong either, those fans were abhorrent, but the fact that Stephen Jackson doesn’t respect the league enough to at least fake an apology says a lot to me.
Many people respect him for being honest, but I think it would’ve said more about him (in a good way) had he chosen to take the high road, like Artest.
Oh,I totally agree.
It’s like a “customer is always right” type of thing. As a matter of fact, if I was the commissioner, I probably would’ve gave Jackson, Artest, and O’neal lifetime bans after that incident as I had never seen anything like that before and thought that they were all wrong for running into the stands. At one point, it looked like Jax was going to swing on Larry Brown. I think that’s where their beef began.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 17, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
I love Jax as our SF; not so much as our SG...
He brings an element of assasin to our team that nobody does, not Crash, not DJ, not Tyrus, nobody. It’s an on-court leadership that is not measured by how good a guy he is, but how much he gives of himself to win. The bad stuff (not the old incidents) haunts and hurts the team, and holds him back from greater achievements. I’m talking about the jabber, how he loses his cool and focus in those moments, along with the bad shots he takes and poor passes he makes. Still, he can be the overpowering force on many nights, or in many moments, that carry a team to victory. You’ve GOT to have those guys on a team, or you have no chance to win important games. Crash has faded in that regard, which is why I’m all for making a trade with him (but a GOOD deal, not a cash-out for nothing).
I completely agree on Jax.
You got to have those assassins on the team and that’s why I compare him to Kobe. He’s obviously not better than Kobe, but the Lakers could be another mediocre team out west without his presence. Sure, the talent would be there to get back to the playoffs at least, but I think without Kobe and his cold blooded approach towards the game, the Lakers would struggle to even do that. As for Crash, I think it’s only fair to give him a few games under Silas. Although I agree that both are better suited to playing the SF position, I’m not convinced too much right now that they can’t play together anymore. Doing a salary dump for Crash is bad enough. Doing a salary dump with Crash AND a 1st round pick is just totally unacceptable. I would disappear from this site for a few months.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 14, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
Jaxovirus
He has been taking his med’s since Oakley arrived. Expect him to be well behaved through the rest of the season. Go Cats !
by chris in union county on Jan 14, 2011 7:31 PM EST reply actions
Good post CBob
I agree with you. I have a respect for what Jack does and don’t think he’s easily replaceable either. And with the team playing well, I would have a hard time dealing him regardless of the situation right now.
Unless of course, Cleveland offered us a trade exception for him. Sorry, couldn’t resist. :)
Oh no! We suck again!
by Bring Back Primoz on Jan 14, 2011 9:34 PM EST reply actions
Smfh. I'll never forgive Jordan for that move if it ever happened.
Thanks though BBP.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 14, 2011 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
Good write-up
I didn’t vote, because as many have said, I’m not ready to label him MVP…but just b/c I don’t think he’s the MVP doesn’t mean I think he’s some sort of virus that must be eradicated.
I agree that Jax is a good teammate and it seems there has been a lot of overanalyzing of some of his outbursts. Like the other day, a lot of people were saying that there is some sort of issue with Jax and Gerald after the exchange they had when Jax was chewing out Boris. To me, that was simply one co-captain keeping the other in check when he crossed the line…no big deal. The next game I saw Jax and Gerald doing their little handshake and joking around before the game…nothing was wrong! If there was any tension it would be understandable considering the team’s record just a couple weeks ago.
My issue with Jax is not his attitude and leadership but rather his performance. It just seems like he’s having those 4-14 nights more frequently this year and having a hard time getting past people. But at the same time, he carries us offensively just about every other game and I don’t think we’re in any sort of position to get rid of someone that produces as much offensively as he does without our offense really suffering. So I am definitely all for keeping him unless we can get someone who is young AND can replace at least a portion of the scoring void he would leave. I’m not sure that deal is out there, and if it’s not then I’ve got no problem with keeping him
Gerald Wallace is the way, the truth, and the light
My point exactly.
As fans, we sometimes overanalyze things that the players really don’t even think about. It’s an 82 game season. I’m not even sure that Boris was aware that Jax was yelling at him after that pass. And as a former athlete myself, I know how it gets when it’s in play. I was the RB for my high school team and my best friend was the QB. We would argue like EVERY game because of a missed block or he wouldn’t hand the ball off and optioned into another play. From the outside looking in, people would think we hated eachother. However, we’d probably be riding in the same car home and going out to the same places after the game. It just gets like that out there.
Jax’ performance in the past few days has been worrisome, that’s true. We’re always waiting for his age to start catching up with him and him breaking down though. I think we’re a major injury away from that though. He’s bound to shoot himself out of a slump considering not many others on our team put up shots to begin with. I think to offset his slumps though, we need more aggression from Boris. I really think he’s he biggest X factor on the team.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 17, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
Getting more aggression out of Boris is like getting a snail to recite Shakespeare.
All you get for your trouble is minimal progress coupled with even less productive noise.
P.S. - Is it an interim fling or a permanent bromance?
by Ourdaywillcome on Jan 17, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
God, imagine how frustrating that would really be.
Trying to teach a snail Shakespeare. I think I would grow frustrated and just pour salt on it.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 17, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
I just had a major "Flushed Away" flashback! lol
P.S. - Is it an interim fling or a permanent bromance?
by Ourdaywillcome on Jan 17, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Just a tip...
STOP!!!!!
We’re arguing something that isn’g going to make waves one way or the other.
Bobcats Basketball is my only pro sports passion...
What are YOU talking about????
Who are you to say what will make waves and what won’t?
Just because YOU don’t like waves it doesn’t mean we all have to hate them.
You can’t make me hate waves any more than I can wave you over and make you love waves and waving.
Waving is better than wavering which is worse than waffling.
And I think everyone either LOVES Waffle House hash browns or HATES them. Anyone who thinks Waffle House hash browns are just okay obviously doesn’t know what they’re talking about. Just because they got a batch with a bad potato in it doesn’t mean all hash brown patties have to be thrown out you know. And besides, if a Waffle House hash brown waffler wants to wreck a perfectly good thought out post on the merits of unwaffling approval of good Waffle House hash browns, then maybe it’s time for us to scatter, not smother, and go to IHOP instead.
What’s your opinion of the Rooty Tooty Fresh N Fruity?
We need something new to make waves about.
P.S. - Is it an interim fling or a permanent bromance?
by Ourdaywillcome on Jan 15, 2011 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
Love Waffle House hash browns
Hate IHOP pancakes in HKY
Bobcats Basketball is my only pro sports passion...
by andrewlail76 on Jan 15, 2011 11:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I am anti hash browns - It's like the Wave
Rooty Tooty works for me.
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Jan 17, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
On 70
There’s one on 321?
Bobcats Basketball is my only pro sports passion...
by andrewlail76 on Jan 17, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Now that I think about it, it's not an IHOP.
It’s some kind of waffle place though. Not the waffle house or Denny’s, but I can’t remember the name of it. I never ate there. I just remember passing it all the time when I would go visit my girl at ASU.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 17, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
There is one that is where 321 and 70 intersect...
Coffee House…Generic version of Waffle House
Bobcats Basketball is my only pro sports passion...
by andrewlail76 on Jan 17, 2011 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
Yup. That's the one. The damn Coffee House.
Lol. You ever ate from there?
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 18, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
nope
Bobcats Basketball is my only pro sports passion...
by andrewlail76 on Jan 18, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Lol, I don't look at it as arguing.
My eyes don’t get big when I’m typing in capital letters or anything.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 17, 2011 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
Nice!
Bobcats Basketball is my only pro sports passion...
by andrewlail76 on Jan 17, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
I tend to reserve my "big eyed look" at RoF for the Gameday pics of Stacey Dash and the glimpses of Steph Ready.
P.S. - Is it an interim fling or a permanent bromance?
by Ourdaywillcome on Jan 17, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Me too.
I’d marry both of them right now and never tell them about eachother if I could.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 17, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
BTW, the LadyCats swimsuit calendar special just started on SportsSouth.
I was wondering how I was gonna kill time until pregame. Another problem solved.
P.S. - Is it an interim fling or a permanent bromance?
by Ourdaywillcome on Jan 17, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
You're a dirty old man OD. Lol.
I already went over this with Juan in another thread, but do the words Illeal Blue mean anything to you?
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 17, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Absolutely!
Still have my VHS of it, but unfortunately they copy protected it so well I can’t rip it to DVD.
I’ve been told it has a decent story, but for some reason, I never pay much attention to the plot.
And who says I’m old!?!?!? I’m just midway between “old enough to know better” and “leave him alone, he’s set in his ways.” Although last week I sunk my teeth into a big, juicy steak and they’re still there and when I fart dust comes out…
Hmm…
Time for a subject change. Steven Jackson is a poopie head!
(taking a sip from my cocktail and whistling innocently) (mmMMmm Geritol and Maalox!)
P.S. - Is it an interim fling or a permanent bromance?
by Ourdaywillcome on Jan 17, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Your Softer Spot for JAX
I agree with you about about seeing JAX in another light. Playing to win is a mindset. Anything that gets in the way is very upsetting. JAX plays to win. However, JAX is a little self-centered. He wants to put the game on his shoulders. He doesn’t think about his shots, he takes them. They are all supposed to go in. JAX doesn’t think about his passes, they are all supposed to reach their man even if three defenders are in between him and his target.
Boris is the opposite of JAX with playing style. Boris also plays to win, but he does not want the game on his shoulders, thus the nonchalant moniker. He passes because he does not want to be the man. He shoots because he has to.
We need a guy like JAX on the team.
My brother and his friend met JAX while waiting at the Charlotte airport within the last year. They cut up with him and had a good time. Even with the tough guy look and equally tough tattoos, he was a real likable guy.
I have a hunch...
…that he stays and Crash goes…
Bobcats Basketball is my only pro sports passion...
by andrewlail76 on Jan 16, 2011 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
That's exactly Jax' problem.
He thinks he is Kobe in his head and doesn’t recognize his strengths. He should drive a lot more because with his sloppy maneuvering and his headband tactics, he could probably draw a foul on every play. Tyrus should recognize his strengths better too. I think the only ones that truly do what they are only capable of are D.J., Shaun Livingston, and Crash. Everybody else does little weird things that have you scratching your head.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 17, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
I agree Jack should spend more time driving to the hole.
But I think the problem there is, every time he did it earlier in the season he’d get slapped and banged multiple times and get no call to show for it. It was the core of many of his temper tantrums. I really think that part of his “keep it cool on the court” process is staying away from situations where he’s covered with cartoon knots and the ref just shrugs and says, “play on.”
P.S. - Is it an interim fling or a permanent bromance?
by Ourdaywillcome on Jan 17, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Ya know, I actually never thought about that
but it makes a lot of sense. Is there a site keeping stats to show how much someone drives as opposed to taking jumpshots? I remember him from earlier in the season taking a lot of drives but getting blocked at the rim. Not as much nowadays.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 17, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
speaking of officiating
this is totally off topic
BUT man how bad were those refs in the jets/pats game yesterday. i don’t particularly pull for either team, but it was rediculous the number of calls the pats didn’t get… calls they usually DO get. and most of them weren’t “either or” calls, they were blatant PI’s, holds, etc. Most people don’t know this, but NFL ratings are down this year, and I think the league needs the Jets in the SuperBowl. That may have had something to do with that officiating. Of course, the refs had nothing to do with 7 dropped passes, either.
Over the past several seasons my interest in the NFL has really eroded.
I don’t know why. I did read the same article everyone else did where they used a stopwatch to time how often the ball was actually in play. It was like 11 minutes for a Super Bowl game that (counting pregame hoopla) was on the air for 9 hours. After that I guess I just noticed all the “dead time” more. Soccer and Basketball were always my main passions in sports, but I used to love my Sunday afternoons checking out the games. Summer truly sucks for me because I absolutely HATE baseball unless I’m at the actual game. I seldom last past the 3rd inning before falling asleep. When I was a kid I was a baseball junkie and when I wasn’t watching, I was playing. After the two big strikes, I found better things to do.
P.S. - Is it an interim fling or a permanent bromance?
by Ourdaywillcome on Jan 17, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions

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