PBT: Raptors [still] trying to trade for Boris Diaw
Maybe we won't get Jose Calderon, straight up, but I'm also interested in Jarrett Jack.
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I'll believe it when I see it...
seems that’s the way this summer has gone with proposed deals and the Bobcats.
But do we really want Jarrett Jack instead?
My thing is, I’m not sure there’s anyone on Toronto’s roster I’d want….maybe a third team is included to get a PG from somewhere else? I hear the Nets are trying to trade Devin Harris :)
I'd love it if we were able to get another team involved....
If not, I say let DJ do his thing and try to prove his worth. I just don’t see Calderon as a difference maker.
I'm going to have to disagree.
Calderon may not be some All-Star stud, but he would certainly be a difference maker for us. He’s got a career 17.7 PER, shoots a decently high percentage, and has over 8ast per 36min for his career.
by Jake Humphrey on Sep 30, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry but...
For his career Calderon averages 6.6 ast/gm and 9.8 pts/gm.
Last year he averaged 5.9 ast/gm and 10.3 pts/gm…throw in 2 rebounds.
Do we not think that DJ can do the same? I can see DJ turning the ball over more than Calderon, but I just think we should give him a chance before throwing him to the curb.
BTW…I find it somewhat funny that TOR wants Diaw so badly. They can’t hang on to Bosh and Diaw is their “next best thing?”
I'm not using per game, I'm using per 36 minutes.
It sets everything to a even level because not all players play the same number of minutes. And per 36min (a starter’s workload), Calderon has averaged 13pts and 8.7ast for his career. He’s also has a career .496 FG%.
Now you asked if I think DJ can do the same. I think in an absolutely best-case scenario, DJ could score more points (but take more shots) and not be as good of a facilitator as Calderon is. I’d prefer Calderon to DJ.
by Jake Humphrey on Sep 30, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
For the price, I prefer to give D.J. a chance
At least let him play a few games and see if he’s turned it around before you pull the trigger on a deal that pays Calderon 30 mil
The Raptors were calling Higgins over the weekend.
They want to put the kibosh on any deal that would send Melo to New Jersey. If they’re desperate enough to call the Bobcats back after the big pullout Jordan pulled earlier this summer, we should be able to get a pretty good strangle hold on them. But I really doubt the Raptors would want to involve the Nets since their goal is to do what they can to keep the Nets weak. Then again, politics and NBA managers make strange bedfellows, so who knows for sure.
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by Ourdaywillcome on Sep 30, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess the question we should be asking ourselves now is do we want Calderon.
I’m kinda half and half on it. But, if they are willing to take Diaw for Calderon straight up, I believe we have to do it.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 30, 2010 10:09 AM EDT reply actions
Absolutely
Calderon is better than anyone we have on the roster now.
Let’s not look a gift horse in the mouth just because we didn’t get Devin Harris
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by James Dator on Sep 30, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Nice Aussie phrase I'm assuming haha
But yes I would take Calderon in a heartbeat. Anyone who objects is still pissed about cp3 or Harris or has never seen Jose play… He is an almost perfect fit for this team. Combination of size, amazing passing and ball skills, with excellent shooting (something we lack) and he is still young. Yes yes and yes. Add trading dj and acquire a center or 1st rd pick or even a huge expiring and this could be wonderful
GSO
by MikeTrain on Sep 30, 2010 11:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Are you referring to the "gift horse" phrase?
It actually goes back to an employee of Henry VIII and refers to a way of guessing a horses age by how far the animal’s teeth protrude as they age.
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by Ourdaywillcome on Sep 30, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I started to say...
Not a rare Aussie slang…I’ve heard it used and have used it all the time…that said…Diaw for Calderon straight up? Sure…Diaw and Diop for Calderon? I’ll drive them up there myself!
by andrewlail76 on Sep 30, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
They can sit in the back of my pickup...
Not concerned about comfort…just making sure I get the there
by andrewlail76 on Sep 30, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm with you on this.
I’m not a huge Calderon fan, but if we can move Diaw and get a legitimate starting PG in return, which Calderon is, then we have to do it. Even his stats last year, his worst year since his rookie season, are better than anything Felton gave us.
by Jake Humphrey on Sep 30, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Jarrett Jack?
He’d be alright, but I’m not convinced he’d be anything more than a taller version of Ray. He seems to me to be a guy that’s always got the ‘potential’ to become a pretty good player, but potential doesn’t buy groceries.
It buys Larry Brown's groceries though.
Brown LIVES for point guards with unrealized potential and feeds off unlocking it.
My biggest concern about all this noise is that it seems each week brings a new “starting point guard to Charlotte” deal. I imagine both Diaw and Augustin are sitting in Wilmington right now thinking, “Oh brother, here we go AGAIN!”
Just the ticket for a man with confidence issues – another rumor involving his club trying to get someone to play in front of him. I can’t recall a team making such a public display of mistrust in the abilities of one of their starters. DJ’s gotta be getting some pretty big cartoon knots on his chin for all the hits he’s taking.
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by Ourdaywillcome on Sep 30, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Tell me Ourday, what do you think?
On opening night, is DJ going to be our starting PG? I’m not asking for any insider information, just a gut feeling. With all the rumors swirling about, it wouldn’t surprise me to see him not even on the Bobcats by the time the season starts.
by Jake Humphrey on Sep 30, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm really worried about it.
The things I’m hearing (not just the info hitting the media stories) make it seems like the franchise has completely given up on Augustin. It’s to the point where if DJ is the starting point guard on opening day I believe that Higgins, Jordan, and especially Brown will feel they’ve failed. If I were Augustin I wouldn’t believe a single thing coming from Brown and I’d be calling my agent every hour on the hour. No joke, right now DJ could come out and post better raw numbers than Kobe and management would just shake their heads and be convinced that it’s all an anomaly.
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by Ourdaywillcome on Sep 30, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe they've unplugged the wireless connection in Wilmington!
Nevermind, these guys use 3 or 4G I’m sure!
I know at one time many thought Jack would be a good starter for us. He might, but I tend to agree that Calderon has the best set of skills to be a difference maker on this team. We need offensive production and distribution. All this talk of Diaw (Bonnell has been hawking his assets in multiple articles) makes me wonder if the trumpet is sounding to facilitate or sweeten a pending deal. Calderon doesn’t play NBA-level D but it’s every bt the level of DJ’s D.
If we deal Diaw and DJ, any chance we get Calderon and Davis?
Davis? Ed Davis?
I’d like to see it happen, mostly because I’m a UNC fan, but I can’t see Toronto doing that.
by Jake Humphrey on Sep 30, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Bonnell just told me in an email...
that LB will have a cow if they trade Diaw and don’t get something worth while back. I’m not sure what LB’s definition of that is, but I’d say a starting PG with all of Felton’s qualities. I was reading an article (can’t remember where) just this week describing how almost devastated he was when Felton left.
Does this bother anybody?
It’s not like LB is the long-term future of our franchise anyways. It’s great having a HOF coach and everything, but if he’s going to throw a fit when MJ and company is trying to make the team better then he can just go ahead and retire.
by Jake Humphrey on Sep 30, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I tend to agree Jake...
I love having him as a coach because it’s obvious to me he knows what he’s doing, getting this team to it’s first ever playoff appearence last year. I do believe, however, that MJ needs to do what’s best for this team’s future. Let’s face it, LB is done after this year, at least in Charlotte. Can we all agree on that? He may be looking short-term for this year, but I think you gotta trade him for a PG if you can.
I think it depends on the success of the team whether Larry returns or not.
If they can make it to the playoffs and pull out an upset in round 1 and be competitive in round 2, I think Larry would return to see if he can coach the team into the next step. But anything less, and I agree, he’s done in Charlotte.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 30, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe it becomes a 3 way deal with the Nets
Charlotte sends out Diaw, Diop to Toronto and DJ to Jersey
Jersey sends Harris to Charlotte
Toronto sends Calderon to Jersey, Evans and a trade exception to Charlotte.
Sounds like Harris may be ticked off with Avery Johnson now. If that’s a polluted lake, could we pull something like this off?
Except Toronto wants nothing to do with making the Nets better
And the Nets aren’t going to make a deal unless it brings back Melo.
A three way with nets doesn't work
You end up falling off the high wire and things get tangled.
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Sep 30, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Brown's exact words at the media day press conference when asked about Felton leaving were:
I died.
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by Ourdaywillcome on Sep 30, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes LB loves his guys, and Felton was one of them
I can understand why. Not just the Tarheel connection..mostly the attitude and guts Felts brought every night. I’m sure LB felt he could coach him up further to get past the breakdowns that occured in the playoffs. I don’t believe that, but I’m sure LB thinks he could pull it off.
It was obvious that Ray was LB's boy.
It was also pretty clear that Brown felt he could teach Felton to be an elite guard. I recall saying that staying here even for less money was a wise move for Raymond because he had found his Yoda in Coach Brown. Instead Ray believes he’s ready and decided to head for the Cloud City thinking his training was complete. But, in Larry “Yoda” Brown’s mind, “Ready, Felton is not.”
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by Ourdaywillcome on Sep 30, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Would That Mean
That when Ray sliced off Vader’s head in the dark cave, it was Jameer Nelson’s face under the mask?
by djwilliams11 on Sep 30, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm excited to see what Felton can do outside of a Bobcats uniform.
Not like I don’t miss having him here or anything, but you always wonder how good your homegrown product can be on the open market. Like, “could Felton start for the Lakers and lead them to a championship”? Things like that. Obviously, the Knicks aren’t the Lakers, but I always find it entertaining to see how players develop under new coaches in new cities. The only product we’ve had to really see about was Okafor. I didn’t watch any Hornets games last year, but it seems to me that he’s the same player now that he was with us. I wonder if Felton steps his game up or does he “get exposed” like Jameer did him in the playoffs.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 30, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
and 1
I’m glad I’m not the only one who thinks he’ll be fun to watch as a Knick
I'm definitely not going to forget about him just because he's on a new team.
I liked him and admired his work ethic. I’m hoping he takes the lead on NY.
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by Ourdaywillcome on Oct 1, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Trading Calderon for Diaw breaks many principles of the NBA
NEVER I mean NEVER trade big for small (there are a few exceptions of elite guards but nothing we are getting)
We would then have 5 pgs in camp! I don’t want this trade or anything the Raptors have to offer. Calderon may or may not return to previous form most of us are speculating just as DJ may or may not return to previous form if he does we have a much cheaper and better option. Let’s settle down and give DJ the keys and see how he drives…
I absoLUTELY agree with you.
If DJ is a wash we’ll know before the season is 2 weeks old. We can get a replacement in and still have plenty of time to recover from any damage caused. Witness last season’s 3-9 start before Jackson came to town with the roadmap to the playoffs in his back pocket.
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by Ourdaywillcome on Sep 30, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
and he didn't come into to town
he sailed in
and the treasure map wasn’t in his “back pocket”
it was in his booty
and he says aaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr a lot
If DJ doesn't perform, his value is placed into "blue light special" range
Right now people still think he has higher potential than he has shown. That value is strictly speculative value. If he hits the preseason, and then the season, and plays poorly, how do we make any move from a position of strength? Also, fewer teams will be inclined to make deals once the season starts. They will want to ride at least to the quarter turn before making adjustments. Jack’s timing was a unique situation last season.
I respectfully disagree...
He will still have value off the simple fact coaches believe they can get more out of a player than previous coaches. Especially if that coach is LB and the player is a PG. We shall see though
What good is a big that doesn't play big?
Let’s face it, Diaw plays like a mediocre guard, not the PF that he is. And even if Calderon doesn’t ‘return to previous form’, he’ll still be better (offensively) than anything we’ve gotten from PG in years. If the offer on the table is Diaw for Calderon, straight-up, I think we’d be making a mistake by passing on that deal.
And yeah, we’d then have four point guards in camp. DJ can be used in a trade to net us a starting center.
by Jake Humphrey on Sep 30, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm all for that scenario, if you can show me a deal on the table for DJ
that brings us that center. I just don’t see it. OurDay mentionedd some chatter about that kind of deal but the 5 we would get was not a difference maker. No need for that…we’ve already got 3 of those.
If we could combine DJ and Diop (or even Nazr) for a true starting 5 that is not old or a bad $ deal I’m gung-ho. But again, show me that deal…
It doesn't exist.
The names I heard being batted around would have been little more than additional “committee members” like Nazr and DIop.
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by Ourdaywillcome on Sep 30, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Even without a trade for a starting center,
I’m convinced that Calderon is a big enough upgrade over DJ to pull the trigger on the deal. Will there be some logistical problems after making that trade? Yes, but I’m also convinced that the big boys running the show have the ability to make our roster situation work, however that may be.
by Jake Humphrey on Sep 30, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Technically, we can make that go, but DJ will not be happy backing up Calderon
Still, that would make us a stronger team by keeping DJ behind Jose. That also places Livingston as your 3rd PG…overpriced but not having to depend on him.
If it’s Jose straight up for Boris, we could then try to sign Earl Barron to a deal. He would be a good guy to back up both the 4 and 5, especially if we swing another deal by trading away Nazr and DJ for a starting 5.
I don't understand where all the love for Calderon comes from...
Last year DJ was the annointed one
Because DJ let the annointing oil run into his eyes.
Instead of being what everyone expected, DJ shut down and started playing at roughly a third of the ability and court awareness he showed in the final month of his rookie year. On media day he admitted it, Brown admitted it, and no less than 4 of his teammates talked openly with the national press about it.
Last year coach treated Augustin like a narc at biker weekend. If DJ doesn’t produce almost immediately (and the odds are stacked badly against him) he will be playing elsewhere. I’m loathe to say it, but considering the environment surrounding him in Charlotte, he may need to go elsewhere to find his game. The way I’m seeing it play out is that he’ll get traded and then a couple of weeks later Brown will get fired. LB’s final big gift to Charlotte will be to outlast the one man who would most benefit from Brown’s exit.
Then we spend the fall and winter arguing about the curse of irony.
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by Ourdaywillcome on Sep 30, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I'm VERY bullish on the season.
I just think there will be a HUGE amount of drama in the first half of it.
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by Ourdaywillcome on Sep 30, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Good
If you lost hope, the Bobcats society as a whole could be headed for the Bobcapolypse.
ROFLMAO
“Bobcapolypse” is now officially part of the Glossary of RoF original terms!
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by Ourdaywillcome on Sep 30, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I say let the drama begin...
Every year we get a dose of it and it typically messes with out start of the season. We begin in a hole and spend the 1st half of the year trying to dig out. Be nice to make our deals now, resolve them and tune up the new engine a bit before the real games start.
It would be a nice change!
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by Ourdaywillcome on Sep 30, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Can DJ be used in a trade to net us a starting center?
You’re going to have to work to make me believe that
Piece of cake.
As long as you don’t insist on that whole “starting” part of it.
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by Ourdaywillcome on Oct 1, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
5PGs in camp...
I think it is safe to say that Collins…no…why have 2 guys at 5’11"?
so then there are 4…
Crittenton is trying for a spot…
Liv and DJ are signed…
so…If we got calderon…that makes Calderon, Liv, and DJ
We don’t sign Crittenton
That would be 3 PGs for the season that we could feel pretty decent about. Worst case we sign Crittenton, DJ becomes part of a trade down the road, and we still are left with 3 PGs.
by andrewlail76 on Sep 30, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
The only problem with Calderon is the $$$
the Bobcats need to stop taking on future commitments and let the storm settle for a while. I’m glad LB was instrumental in making the trades his has, but he’s tired of the team and frankly I’m tired of him. There comes a point in almost anything you do, you improve, you improve and then you have to take time to reassess yourself to see what it is you need to work on next.
If the FO really wanted to they could have resigned Felton so there must be some type of confidence in DJ and the have reportedly not wanted to include him in a trade for Devin Harris
+1
At this point, I’m ready to see how D.J. can do with the starters. Jackson and Wallace are almost guaranteed to bring their “A” games (All-Star caliber) and Tyrus seems to be buying into Larry’s system (could turn into All-Star caliber). Center by committee (used last year) should have a marginal effect (although we do need more shot blockers). But, I think with D.J. running the first team instead of trying to be the star of the scrub lineup, he could really turn heads. All it takes is a few good games before people jump back on the bandwagon.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 30, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I not only hope you're right...
I’d be openly thrilled to cheer a reinvigorated DJ Augustin all season long.
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by Ourdaywillcome on Sep 30, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm Starting to Envision a Children's Book
The Boy Who Cried Boris – anybody?
In all seriousness, though, as it sits right now, Boris is shaping up to be our sixth man. He’ll be more valuable than most of us think, but not quite as valuable as LB seems to think. If you can flip him (and that $9 mil a year) for an upgrade at the 1 or the 5, you do it. Calderon would be that upgrade. Jack? Eh, I’m not so sure.
Considering Diaw's nonchallance as a starter, imagine how uninvolved he'll be coming off the bench.
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by Ourdaywillcome on Sep 30, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't mind shipping Diaw when we see what we have in camp
but only then would I welcome any trade. I would actually prefer us to hold serve and see a few preseason games potentially.
The article above and on ESPN say nothing about reciprocal interest
It just sounds like Toronto calling us up. Based on the team he’s building, I wonder if MJ cares for Calderon. 2 words describe what MJ has done: long, athletic. Devin Harris fits the mold which I think explains that interest. But Calderon? Is he an MJ or LB type player? I’m not so sure.
Good point on the typical LB player
But I’m not so sure about MJ’s lack of interest in Calderon. That deal was very far along and I doubt it was without some level of ownership blessing at that “near trigger” stage. I think the bigger reason it failed was the opportunity developing related to the Dampier deal on the table (which we took) and the trade kicker in Calderon’s contract. LB might be concerned about Jose’s defense, but I think he’s petrified about depending on DJ as his starter.
I'm down with Jose
He only averages 1.6 turnovers a game for his CAREER! Which I think is a big deal(especially considering we were one of the worst teams at protecting the ball).
Only averages 1.7 Fouls a game for his career as well. Shoots a good FT percentage etc.
Honestly I feel like Livingston is going have a great backup PG style year. Matt Carroll will be the spot up 3pt guy we’ve always wanted. Jose Calderon shoots almost 40% from 3 which isn’t too shabby. We’d have a couple of guys to make up for all the 3’s that Jax bricks. AND we wouldn’t have Diaw bricking 3’s on a regular basis either. We’d have a more pass oriented PG than Dj feeding the ball inside to guys like Tyrus, GW, Hendo, Brown, etc. We’re a very athletic team. Keeping our turnovers and fouls on our PG’s down is kind of a big deal. I think the original deal with Calderon and Evans would work in our favor. Evans addresses a need for another solid rebounder on top of GW and Tyrus. He can also play the Center position due to his width and ability to position for rebounds. Aka SOLID D. I like the deal. I am 100% down with getting rid of Diaw for this to happen. Honestly DJ too. We can waive McGuire(guaranteed or not it’s league min). Keep Evans(GO HAWKEYES! haha) and have 3 PG’s in Jose, Liv, and Crittenton. Doesn’t sound as ideal as it really is, but I think it’ll be a great mix for us. We’d have solid role players. Stars with tons of athleticism, a TON of defensive talent, and a solid future.
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Calderon's % is high but his attempts are low
I want DJ to start and provide our starting 5 with some offense. Our 2nd unit is going to outplay a lot of 2nd units this year.
2nd Unit:
Livingston
Hendo (Carroll only if we are down and need some 3s)
UPS
Diaw or Tyrus
Kwame
That’s a very formidable bench.
Calderon at PG would ultimately provide more offense than DJ would.
Wallace and Jax do, and should carry the burden of the offense.
Over his career thus far Augustin averages (per 36):
14.4 points, 4.7 assists.
Calderon on the other hand (per 36):
13.1 points, 8.7 assists
You lose one point of scoring, but gain 8 in assists… so ultimately having a better distributor and more efficient scorer is better than the alternative.
Sure, DJ will improve over those numbers, but I don’t think he’ll be getting an extra 4 apg.
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+1
Obviously it doesn’t account for the whole difference, but it is definitely worth mentioning. Toronto had a very high number of possessions per game thanks to their inability to play defense and their freelance style of offense.
For the same reason, you have to take a point or two off of calderon’s PPG, which makes the disparity a little larger in DJ’s favor
Gerald Wallace is the way, the truth, and the light
FG% stays the same regardless of offense.
DJ is a career 0.412% shooter and Calderon is a 0.496% shooter
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Toronto has a huge trade exception and available roster spots
What about this trade:
Diaw, Diaw, and DJ for Calderon and a draft pick
Let's try that again
Diaw, Diop, and DJ for Calderon and a draft pick
(Diaw was so valuable I traded him twice)
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Sep 30, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
We could always clone him
and get an extra draft pick.
by djwilliams11 on Sep 30, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
He's the price for us giving up DJ
the pick may have to be 2nd rounder
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Sep 30, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes Diop is a bit radioactive
But I wouldn’t say it’s impossible. It depends on how badly other players are wanted. Colangelo likes Diaw A LOT. Not sure how badly they really want DJ, but they want to move Calderon for some reason. Diaw and DJ would give them the multi-faceted PF they crave, a lottery pick PG who could either back up Jack or overtake him if good enough. Diop, while expensive, gives them a big body 5 they do not have. Now, my deal would be Calderon, Andersen, a pick and the trade exception. We get a clear, young veteran starting PG who will be better than anyone on our roster, plus a slightly better 5 in Andersen, clear cap space now and in the future, sign Matt Rogers, and get to work!
Sick
I’m so sick of hearing about Calderon being traded here. But would like to know a little more about the new guy Matt Rogers that we signed today. Does anyone have any info on him??
I'vw been looking as well.
Division 2 school
Southern Baptist
LB says it is amazing with post ACL from January, just how high the kid can jump off of 2 feet
Looks pretty solid for a C role.
I want more info, and so far, it “sounds” pretty good
by andrewlail76 on Sep 30, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
oh wow
we just got a new guy? Just heard about this.
by Roger, Roger on Sep 30, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Some Matt Rogers Info
Rogers played the last four seasons at Southwest Baptist University in Missouri, where was named Second Team Division II All-America in 2008-09 and Third Team All-America in 2009-10. The 2008-09 MVP of the Mid-America Intercollegiate Athletics Association, Rogers earned First Team All-MIAA honors in each of the last three seasons. Rogers was also on the MIAA All-Defensive Team in all four seasons, ranking in the top four nationally in blocked shots in each of the last three years.
And I’ll add one more: He’ll be cut in a few weeks.
by Bring Back Primoz on Sep 30, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
wait...let me guess...
too good of a risk to actually sign?
by andrewlail76 on Sep 30, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
We have 3 centers and 3 PF under contract
Just no room for him unless someone is moved. Plus I think we’re getting our hopes up a little bit here without seeing the guy play real games. The only thing I’ve heard about the guy is Bonnell comparing him to Voskuhl. Ooooh, I’m giddy ……….
by Bring Back Primoz on Sep 30, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Bonnell
I’ll take what LB says over what Bonnell Says any day.
But I do agree with you. Until we actually see him in action, it is a HUGE question mark. I guess I am thinking if they moved Diaw, they guy can fill in at the 4 and 5, Derr Devil can fill in at the 3 and 4
My entire statement hinges on my trademarked phrase
Wait for it™
We could wind up seeing Diop stepping up as Nazr did last year, and Kwame stepping up and we had no reason to worry about the 5 spot at all.
so in the meantime…all we can do…you know…sing it if you know the words…
by andrewlail76 on Sep 30, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Why are we paying Diop all this money?
I know a guy who knows a guy up in Jersey. First road trip to play the Nets, $5K and Diop never shows up for the game, the flight back to Charlotte, or at any Denny’s for a Grand Slam Breakfast again.
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by Ourdaywillcome on Sep 30, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
clever. clever.
no reason anyone should have to pay so much for a completely good paper weight.
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by HAWKEYESBABY on Sep 30, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I still say we would buy out McGuire and Miles is a long shot...
…if Jolly Rogers looks as promising as LB makes him sound
by andrewlail76 on Sep 30, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Rogers
I’ll bet Rogers will make the roster before Miles, McGuire or Collins. I say that we will keep Critt also.
But McGuire is guaranteed
Not sure the Cats will love Rogers enough to throw nearly $1 million out the window for McGuire. He will have to be really impressive in the preseason games.
by Bring Back Primoz on Sep 30, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Larry Brown loves McGuire hes Stephen Graham 2.0 He will make the team and get mins Lets just hope he can play
Agreed
McGuire will be on the team. Of course Bonnell said he had the worst jump shot he had ever seen. So something else to get excited about.
by Bring Back Primoz on Oct 1, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
That just means Bonnell's never seen me shoot a jumper. lol
We have precious few slots open on the roster. We have quite a crowd of “could be” and “might have potential” opportunities in camp but unless they really come to the fore over the next 3 weeks there will be some hard cuts made.
Of course, we could also reduce the roster by trading several players away at once for one person with a larger upside. We’ve waited for it an entire summer, but Andrew’s repeated calls for patience may still prove to be the wisest course.
Am I saying I know something? I know a lot of things. I know not to draw to an inside straight. I know that no matter how wrong a woman is, she’s always right. I know they made one too many Shreks and will never make enough Pixar movies. And I know not to bring 5 point guards to the first game of the season when it constitutes more than a third of the entire squad I’m allowed to dress for the tip off.
My sources can beat up your sources
by Ourdaywillcome on Oct 1, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Here's a link with his interview and some small highlights...
http://www.kspr.com/sports/kspr-matt-rogers-signs-with-bobcats-09292010,0,4414038.story
He looks like he could be one of the Lopez brothers.
Trust me
Toronto isn’t trading Bargnani. Especially not for Diaw.
by Bring Back Primoz on Sep 30, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
I figured…that’s probably a huge building block
Not Greg Oden huge…but still…sizeable
by andrewlail76 on Sep 30, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard Greg Oden's penis is now listed as one of the 7 wonders of the world
It’s actually bigger than the Colosseum anyway
by Bring Back Primoz on Sep 30, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, it's listed as 2
My sources can beat up your sources
by Ourdaywillcome on Sep 30, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
No, not NUMBER 2 - it counts as 2 of the 7!
My sources can beat up your sources
by Ourdaywillcome on Oct 2, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
The leaning tower of Oden is one spot
nutsack must occupy another spot in the top 7
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Oct 2, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Oops....here's some info on Matt Rogers/interview and small highlights...
http://www.kspr.com/sports/kspr-matt-rogers-signs-with-bobcats-09292010,0,4414038.story
Looks like he could be a Lopez brother.
I thought of a trade
http://www.realgm.com/src_tradechecker/3/
It seems like all teams get what they want
We get a PG and a C and a very good backup SG
Toronto gets Boris
and Denver gets Nazr’s expiring contract and get rid of Smith, maybe throw in D.J. to i checked that and it would work to
I might be wrong and this is a dumb trade though.
I cant tell if the link worked
But the trade was
Charlotte gets:Jose Calderon, Chris Anderson, and J.R. Smith
Toronto gets:Boris Diaw, and Eduardo Najera
Denver gets: Nazr Mohamed (and maybe D.J.)
that seems like
we’d be taking in way too much money.
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by HAWKEYESBABY on Sep 30, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Trying to think of a 3rd team to get into this mix
other than the Nets, whom the Raptors seem loathe to help. I doubt anybody is willing to trade for Calderon so that makes this difficult. Surely some team needs a PG and would send value to us to get Jose while we send Diaw to Toronto?
At this point who has a greater need for a legitimate point guard than us?
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
Golden State possibly, as Ellis and Curry are both SG's in PG's bodies.
The Sixers aren’t particularly strong at point even though they may feel they have their man. The Kings and Grizzlies, could possibly be looking to upgrade that spot as well.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Oct 1, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Good question...
Just throwing out a few teams…Miami, Memphis, Atlanta, and Dallas. The Heat are in worse shape than us at PG. The Grizz are over M.C. Jr. Bibby is ancient and Kidd is pre-historic. Am i leaving anyone out?
here ya go
this is a fun one
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5707260
we’d freakin dominate everybody.
"It's something I think about on a day to day basis: These Colors Don't Run. Love it or leave it USA #1!"-Ricky Stanzi Iowa QB and Patriot
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+12 wins for us and -28 wins for Milwaukee according to ESPN’s trade machine. Where do I sign up for this one?
by Jake Humphrey on Oct 2, 2010 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions
+12 is crap it's be more like +20
just for being awesome. haha
we’d be the best. around. and nothin is gonna ever bring us down!
+1 for anyone catching the song reference i just made.
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