Rumor: Boris Diaw for Devin Harris -- Please let this happen
by David A. Arnott on Sep 24, 2010 1:42 PM EDT
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PrintTo catch you up on the latest rumor emanating from Woj at Y! and Marc Stein at ESPN, the Bobcats would trade Boris Diaw (to Utah, apparently) and end up with Devin Harris. Please tell me if I'm crazy to be thinking:
Please please please please please please please please please let this happen...
Harris is no superstar, but he's a just-sub-All Star type who plays solid defense and is an absolute rocket up and down the floor. More to the point, he'll play 38 minutes at point guard every night, thank you very much. No drama there. The best thing about Harris, and the thing Larry Brown must love about him? He gets to the line. A lot. Per 40 minutes, we can expect Harris to get to the line for between 7 and 9 attempts this season, before taking into account changes in ball distribution. For comparison, Raymond Felton had the ball in his hands a good amount last year, and got to the line for around 3 free throws per 40 minutes.
It also clears up the Diaw-Tyrus Thomas question and leaves only the big man in the middle as an unanswered question, and one much more easily answered when there's no pesky "we also need a point guard" issue complicating matters.
After the jump, how the rotation would break down should we end up with this dream of a trade.
PG - Devin Harris, Shaun Livingston, D.J. Augustin
SG - Stephen Jackson, Gerald Henderson, Matt Carroll, D.J. Augustin
SF - Gerald Wallace, Stephen Jackson, Derrick Brown, Dominic McGuire
PF - Tyrus Thomas, Gerald Wallace, Derrick Brown, Dominic McGuire, Eduardo Najera
Unless I'm mis-counting, that's 14 players, and a full roster. Sorry, Sherron Collins. Don't bother, Larry Hughes. Maybe we'll call you later in the season, Darius Miles.
LINKS
Nets Daily relays that New Jersey won't give up Brook Lopez (duh), and provides this delightfully curmudgeonly bit from Charley Rosen, also known as the guy who told everyone LeBron James wasn't all that.
SLC Dunk says the only reason for the Jazz to do it is a salary dump.
The fine folks at Denver Stiffs are probably reeling from the notion of trading 'Melo for Kirilenko, Favors, and picks, but they should have more up soon.
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I'll pray for this to happen.
No, serious, I will.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 24, 2010 1:50 PM EDT reply actions
I'm with you man!!!
Chris Broussard posted on twitter “talks are ongoing but deal not yet close”
http://twitter.com/#!/chris_broussard
Yes Please!!!
"The cake is a lie"
by mad_dog_maddux on Sep 24, 2010 1:54 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Dear Sweet Merciful Baby Jesus!
Can we please get this done like 5min ago? It would be a perfect trade for us, leaving only center as our question mark.
IF this trade gets done
I would look for Nazr and DJ to be shopped/shipped for a cneter upgrade before the trade deadline.
I'd expect that too.
Hopefully we could pull off another Cap’n Jax-style steal.
BTW, are you an App student? I’m a sophomore up here.
by Jake Humphrey on Sep 24, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, well its always good to "see" some fellow Mountaineers!
by Jake Humphrey on Sep 24, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I spent a weekend in boone a few months ago
shooting guns and getting drunk with my fiance’s dad. That make me cool? lol.
"It's something I think about on a day to day basis: These Colors Don't Run. Love it or leave it USA #1!"-Ricky Stanzi Iowa QB and Patriot
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by HAWKEYESBABY on Sep 24, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I personally like going to the Mountains...
Boone, Blowing Rock…Todd
by andrewlail76 on Sep 24, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
My girl is an App alum as well.
I spent a whole lot of time up in Boone.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 24, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
4 team trade Utah, NJ, Charlotte & Denver
Melo to NJ
AK 47, Favors, multiple draft picks to Denver
Diaw to Utah
Harris to Charlotte
Denver is getting the best out of this deal
if it happens it is apparent that Kiki learned the LeBron James lesson. Something is a whole lot better than nothing.
For Melo DEN might get AK47, Derrick Favors and multiple draft picks. When LBJ left, Cleveland just got f***ed.
It seems to have come around full circle
At the beginning of the summer we had James and ODWC hyping us up about this megatrade that potentially involved Melo. It was so good that the Nets would have offered Harris to us so they could do it instead. That fell through, so now we are potentially involved in a trade involving us getting Harris and Melo going elsewhere.
Man we really don't learn do we?
Boys, get ready to lose your pants because we got a new hope and a wish and a prayer, and maybe a real life point guard if we’re lucky.
Can we go ahead and start worrying about the playoff ramafications if Melo comes to NJ?
a starting 5 of
farmar, morrow, melo, murphy, and lopez does NOT scare me
by weezy21 on Sep 24, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
me either
lacks leadership. they’ll get better in a few years, but I don’t see that being immediate.
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by HAWKEYESBABY on Sep 24, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure Morrow will start
But a front court of Melo, Murphy, and Lopez should worry most teams in the league.
chemistry is the key here
i could see Lopez and Melo not getting along.
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by HAWKEYESBABY on Sep 24, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
You have an argument there
but Chemistry is difficult to predict. At least I think it is. I expect Avery Johnson as the new coach will improve the team regardless. Lopez and Melo could both be allstars next year. I think Morrow comes off the bench and Terrance Williams starts. He can make up for some of what’s lost from the downgrade in PG (ball handling wise). They’ll be a solid rebounding team with Murphy, Lopez, and Will. If Johnson can get them all to play D, which is a reasonable thought, then they’ll be in the playoff picture. That’s all I’m saying.
Quite a volatile team they'll have
More than Carmelo and Lopez, I’d be worried about how Melo gets along with Avery Johnson, a notorious control freak. Either he’ll respond to it and elevate his game to another level, or he’ll struggle with it and be just as unhappy. He seems more concerned with where he lives than who he plays for (another reason Crash > Melo for me… focus and priorities).
P.S. I just want to say it’s great to see the “Wallace is untouchable” in the national media. I can’t imagine how I would feel if I saw that about me in the newspaper, knowing that all my hard work is paying off. A great tribute to a great player.
Well, for what it's worth
drapht00, I wouldn’t trade you for any other blogger out there. You, my friend, are untouchable.
It's been worth it...
The salary research, constantly looking up cap rules. The countless hours spent with in game threads… It was all worth it. I’m on could 9.
Did you mean to be ironic
by saying “Could 9” instead of “Cloud 9”? If so, +1 to you. I enjoyed it. But it was subtle enough that I had to ask.
by Tim Rudisill on Sep 24, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Baby Steps
NJ has to take baby steps…
They get Melo to go with lopez…who is to say that when CP3 foes FA he can’t go there
IMO
Lopez, CP3, and Melo > CP3, Melo, Amare
by andrewlail76 on Sep 24, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
N.J. is setting themselves up to be a serious threat in the east in the coming years.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 24, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
No team can just go from Cellar to #1….
Even Miami
by andrewlail76 on Sep 24, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
hope it happens but...
i think this would be stupid as hell for utah! look at the contracts they would have now
okur- $9 mill (2 years)
diaw- $9 mill (2 years)
al jefferson- $13 mill (3 years)
milsap- $7 mill (3 years)
thats a lot of money tied up to their big’s…unless they plan on starting diaw at SF
Just off the top of my head, I think AK is paid even more
And Utah’s never really been committed too him, seeing as how they’ve signed Boozer, and Milsap, and now traded for Jeff. I think Utah just wants to get rid of AK once and for all.
And all we'd have to give up is Diaw?
I don’t know about Utah, but we would come out looking like Ocean’s 11 if this went through.
We'd get to see Crash vs Melo 4 times a year
And really settle the debate on who you would rather have.
by drapht00 on Sep 24, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think we match up well with NJ if this happens...
the more realistic view for me is both us and NJ knock some other teams out…Like Toronto, Indiana, Philly…
nah
this puts us above The Deer, and I still say the Knicks miss the Playoffs. We’re still #7.
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by HAWKEYESBABY on Sep 24, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I 100% endorse this deal.
furthermore great Americans like Iowa’s Ricky Stanzi endorse this deal.
"It's something I think about on a day to day basis: These Colors Don't Run. Love it or leave it USA #1!"-Ricky Stanzi Iowa QB and Patriot
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dont be scared
farmar, morrow, melo, murphy, and lopez is not a playoff team….but they could be in a couple years…got a lot of money an cap room
Wishful thinking i'm sure
What if the trade on our part is still just jockeying for better position for another trade…wait for it….CP3.
Charlotte gets: CP3 and Okafor
New Orleans gets: Harris, DJ, Matt Carroll, and Nazr
The Bobcats have been stockpiling PG’s recently. Harris, DJ, L’ston, Collins, Crittendon.
NO knows that their relationship with CP3 is going to be over in no more than two years and they would love to get rid of Okafor’s contract.
I still don’t think it is outside the real m of possibility.
Would it be awesome?
Yeah hell it would be, but I don’t think it’s going to happen.
by Jake Humphrey on Sep 24, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope
When NO traded Collison, they might as well have pulled out a megaphone and yelled, “CP3 isn’t going anywhere!”
by djwilliams11 on Sep 24, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
While I definitely do not think we could get CP3 for Harris and DJ
it was RoF where people were saying that “no way does NO trade Collison. He’s young and loaded with potential. Why get rid of the guy that wants to stay to keep the one who is demanding trades?”
So… NO wouldn’t surprise me too much by doing something like trading CP3 … but if any other team did it, my jaw would hit the floor.
by Tim Rudisill on Sep 24, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
GM's just do dumb ish sometimes.
We always give out the “should be realistic” options and then the GM’s show us that anything is possible. It’s almost like living in a cartoon world or something.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 24, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
This all sounds so familiar....
An offensive and marketing juggernaut with a limited all around game being unhappy with the team that drafted him, demanding a trade and ending up in New Jersey, destined to win nothing…. Vince Carter called, he wants his story back.
This will require more than Diaw from us
He may be the principal in the deal but I’ll bet DJ is going too, and possibly another player. We may also be getting an additional player in the deal, or maybe it’s just a trade exception. But IF, and that’s a BIG IF, this goes down, Melo will be going to Jersey, so stop the talk about him going elsewhere. By the way, I’d LOVE to get Harris here, and get rid of Diaw.
Cap room and trade exceptions involved
This is an interesting collection of teams because the Nets have room and the Jazz have mad trade exceptions. So really, we could get involved by sending out Diaw’s $9 million and taking back Harris’s $8.9 million and all restrictions would be met on our end. Take back within 105% of what we send out. The rest could be worked out by the other teams and their exceptions and cap room.
That certainly makes sense
but Jersey needs a PG, so if we also include DJ, what might we be getting back from the Nets in return???
marc stein twitter says...
dj is included in talks to get sent to nets
http://twitter.com/#!/STEIN_LINE_HQ
Looks like NJ has an interesting young guard..
Stephen Graham. I hope he can be included.
by milky C on Sep 24, 2010 3:15 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Can't wait to see our 2nd unit featuring Graham, McGuire and Diop!
Larry wouldn’t really do that would he (shudder)?
Not Diop. Even LB hates him
We need to go out and find a bargain bin, 40+ year old center to be the anchor of that group.
Here's another tweet update...
Al_Iannazzone: There is more to the Melo deal of course. In the proposed deal the Nets give up Favors and the Golden State 2012 No. 1 pick, protected 1-7..
They also send Devin Harris and Jarvis Hayes’ rights to Charlotte and Quinton Ross to Utah and in return they get Anthony and DJ Augustin.
2 minutes ago via TweetDeck
link?
" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius
‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ŕ˛
Latest from Wojo..
Adrian Wojnarowski: Charlotte pulled back on Diaw-for-Calderon deal in July, but are committed to moving Diaw and DJ Augustin to get Devin Harris, sources say.
Very down
The more I think about it the better it seems. Let’s hope ’Melo agrees to that extension in NJ
by bobcatRedemption on Sep 24, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
AW also cautions, based on complexity..
and the fact that Melo must be convinced to do an extension in Jersey. I don’t get his love for the Knicks. I understand the history and tradition, but that team is still not winning the East with Melo & Amare. Granted Jersey is not going to suddenly contend either, but they have a very good young 5 and room to grow.
Good deal.
Only way i could see this getting any better is if we somehow get NENE from denver.
( I know it wont happen, but fun to think about)
We still have that Nazr expiring contract.
If the Nuggets get into rebuild mode, we could probably pry him away from Denver. If not, I’m sure we could get some other C out there that would be better than anything we have no at the deadline.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 24, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Would love that also..
but that makes this deal way beyond doable. 3 team trades are really difficult. 4 team deals are nearly impossible.
Agreed
And the more i think about it, it might serve us better to hang on to Nazr till the deadline. It would really give the FO time to see what or weakness’ are and maybe make a better deal then. plus some teams get desperate at the deadline.
if this trade goes down it is great for the Cats and Nuggets! I hope it gets done to help out my second favorite team in the league. Shit it would also help out my favorite team in San Antonio because it would make the Nuggets a non factor for the playoffs
One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.
Well...
Wow…
I mean wow
And here I was all set for Training camp with what we had. Anyone think this happens over the weekend?
Anyone hopes this happens over the weekend?
ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 24, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
the sooner the better!
One thing i can do...................is FINGER ROLL.
by gunnin' gervin on Sep 24, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
heard the goal is by monday
if not done by then, doubt it happens
We still got 12 minutes until the business day ends here.
GET ER DONE MICHAEL!!! YOU OWE US!!!
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 24, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus, we still won't be in the luxury.
Everyone is a winner here.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 24, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Not even staying still
We shed salary by getting Jarvis Hayes’ rights which will then be renounced. Almost $3 million less.
Deal made no sense for Jazz to me until I looked at my "Insider Rumors".
Apparently, getting rid of AK47 and bringing in Diaw would alleviate the Jazz’s luxury tax concerns. AK is getting paid 17 million and Diaw is getting paid 9.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 24, 2010 4:53 PM EDT reply actions
Denver said they would need young players, picks and cap room
This deal saves them big real money, even if they are still into tax land a little. They get a young stud PF for the future (needed badly) plus Diaw who can fill the role at 4 and 3 as needed for a while. Plus they get a likely lottery pick. Nice.
I thought Diaw went to Utah
Did I read that wrong?
Diaw does go to Utah
Denver get AK47, Favors and picks… which is a fool’s ransom given all they’re doing is passing on a player who would leave anyway.
To put this in perspective imagine if Cleveland had this foresight.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
by James Dator on Sep 24, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Everyone calm down.
It isn’t a done deal until the ink is dry and we’ve all gotten prematurely excited before.
BTW, according to my people (on Wed) this deal is a big’n but the Cats are still trying to squeeze a bit more out of it – not so much to get another player, but to either unload additional unwanted baggage or snap a draft pick. Utah badly wants out of luxury and several people in the talks think the Bobcats have a bit of power to work with here. Without Charlotte the deal collapses and both Utah AND the Nets are hungry to cross the finish line. It’s the kind of situation where Jordan just loves to apply a bit of squeeze.
My sources can beat up your sources
Just so long as they don't squeeze too hard
by andrewlail76 on Sep 24, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Indeed...
I think his poker playing is a little heavy handed. This is too good a deal for us to screw it up.
Oh come on...
We could screw anything up (Sam Vincent)
by andrewlail76 on Sep 24, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure
but if the deal can be made even better? Awesome.
by Tim Rudisill on Sep 24, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I would love to pick up a draft pick
We give them away all the time, it would be nice to take one on. Even if it’s in the second half of the draft, it’s still a cheap asset. Come on Utah, show us some love.
I hear it is a 2028 2nd round pick that is top 50 protected
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Sep 24, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Whoa
That’s a really good deal. I’ve talked to some parents recently who tell me their toddlers are gonna be better than MJ. There happens to be 60 of them and they’ll all be in the 2028 draft. The more picks the better we’ll be.
Heck, we HAVE to do it now.
by Tim Rudisill on Sep 24, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Folks on Jersey boad are all over the place..
they love the idea of Melo but conflicted at giving up Harris and Favors. Many saying one or the other but not both. Then those for it reflect on also getting DJ as OK because of his “potential”. If this goes down and DJ folds to pressure like last season they’ll be pis***.
The one thing to keep in mind...
Jordan is still playing the “I don’t want to make a deal that will put Carmelo Anthony on an East Coast team” card to make it seem like he couldn’t care less. The reality is, he’s keeping the poker face in place but inside he’s allegedly so excited he makes David Arnott’s comments sound like Michael Procton talking about the Okafor trade.
My sources can beat up your sources
by Ourdaywillcome on Sep 24, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
MJ is getting a reputation in trade talks..
If they screw this deal up, how many teams are gonna want to even reach out to us as part of anything? The Toronto thing was a mess, no matter who pulled the escape hatch. I want Harris on this team.
Keep Larry Brown far away from the phone. Get him a bottle of wine and a locked hotel room, and don’t let him out until we can get this done!
Larry Brown is likely to be gone before Thanksgiving.
Christmas at the latest.
The players we’re bringing in and offering invites to camp are only “Brown Ballers” in the sense that they are reclamation projects. Otherwise, if you look closely you’ll notice that they are inviting players with a shoot first mentality that would have to completely relearn the game in order to play within Brown’s sets.
My sources can beat up your sources
by Ourdaywillcome on Sep 24, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Let Brown...
Dismiss him please! LB is the reason why we got stuck with DJ anyway! He wanted to draft him instead of Lopez and now he acts like he hated DJ! I also expect for LB to have a little John Fox in him this season since Jordan didn’t let him outta his contract to return to Philly, so personally, I’ll be glad when he’s gone! I think this team wants to run anyway!Forget half court ball!
It's more about Carmelo than MJ
Jordan only has a say after Carmelo says yes to Jersey… that seems to be a far bigger sticking point.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
Without going into detail James
It seems once again your people are saying the same thing mine have been. (Based on your comment)
My sources can beat up your sources
by Ourdaywillcome on Sep 24, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Indeed.
I think this is more media driven than anything else
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
So you two are suggesting that we don't get too excited about this?
by Tim Rudisill on Sep 24, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I would suggest a healthy measure of skepticism.
What’s greater: Melo’s desire for a few more zeros, or getting to choose where he wants to play?
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
I can see your point
Thanks James! I can really see this deal not going through…I really hope it does, but looking at the broader picture, I’m a little less optimistic now.
I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed. - Michael Jordan
by Cody Ledford on Sep 24, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe if you scroll up just a little you will see my post entitled, "Everyone Calm DOWN"
My sources can beat up your sources
by Ourdaywillcome on Sep 24, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
As easily predicted...
the sticking point is that Melo has to agree to sign long term with the Brooklyn Nets
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Sep 24, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Wojo on twitter:
With Devin Harris going to Charlotte in proposed deal, Nets want DJ Augustin. Yet ’Cats still reluctant to part with PG, sources tell Y!
IMO
If we were to part with DJ, then Liv’s knee failed…that leaves Collins and/or Jarv
This is versus
Having Harris, Liv, DJ
by andrewlail76 on Sep 24, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I can just see this blowing all to pieces...
I cannot believe we would not deal DJ with Diaw to get Harris. My gosh…you’re getting a former all-star PG whos still young to become your starter. DJ has value yes, but to let that become an impedement to doing this deal??? STUPID!
I see what OurDay whote earlier, about MJ trying to play for more, and this just fits right in. I don’t know if I can bear this if the deal is blown by MJ’s heavy handed gambling addiction. This deal gives us a starting PG in exchange for the bloated Diaw (both player and contract) and we also give up a reserve PG who was in the doghouse much of last season. WHAT’S LEFT TO DISCUSS??
This just in the X!
Bobcats willing to give up DJ, but want a little extra in return.
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Sep 24, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd take a conditional second round pick
in the last 3 picks. Whether they get anything else or not, I think this is worth it. Big time.
I agree...
Bassnote, I’d be mad too if Jordan continues to play hardball knowing we need this deal like last year!!
Did y'all ever buy a used car?
Walk on the lot and say, “Oh. MY. GOD!!! It’s perfect! I needs this car! I want this car so badly I don’t care what it costs because if I don’t have this car I’m going to diebecauseit’ssocoolIhavetohaveit!!!!”
Did you notice that when you did that the salesman got this smile on his face that looked vaguely oh… predatory?
The way Jordan can get Higgins to get the best possible arrangement for Charlotte is for him to act in the media as if he’d rather sacrifice his own son on a pagan altar than sign the paperwork.
My sources can beat up your sources
by Ourdaywillcome on Sep 24, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure
As usual, whenever word of a big trade starts leaking out it’s immediately followed by a bunch of red herrings, misinformation, and outright BS to the media so that the particulars involved can at least attempt to keep some of the details private.
My sources can beat up your sources
by Ourdaywillcome on Sep 24, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Huh?
“Another factor making this negotiation as difficult as the aforementioned executive described is whether Charlotte — a team in cost-cutting mode — will be willing to take on Harris and the $26.8 million he is owed over the next three seasons. Harris’ contract runs one year longer than Diaw’s, so the Bobcats would have to get some other form of cap relief to make this work, sources said”
CBSSports
http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/24791989
Clearly more posturing from the bald man at the green table...
Keep going you idiot. See how much further you can push this right to the edge.
No doubt!
Do this and do it today!
I mean really…
by andrewlail76 on Sep 24, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
And once again
The owners have ZERO intention to pay out these big contracts and worry about the luxury cap.
There WILL be a lockout unless:
Players agree to an across the board percentage cut in salary. One way to pressure the player’s union is to play “divide and conquer.” The way it would work in this case is the owners would request that the players with the highest 10% salaries in the league take a cut (say, 25%) instead. When the high dollar (and minority presence) players balk at doing that, the owners will say it isn’t their (the owner’s) fault. “The rich players refused the deal. Now EVERY player will have to take a 10% cut. Talk to Lebron and the others, we TRIED to be reasonable!”
My sources can beat up your sources
by Ourdaywillcome on Sep 24, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Jarvis Hayes is the relief
He is part of the deal and we cut him upon arrival.
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Sep 24, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
COME ON MJ!
Please don’t screw this up! Harris would be a GREAT pick up for us! Throw in DJ if it has to happen! Don’t get greedy and mess it up! With Harris, I see us potentially challenging the East for 5th or 6th seed. Playoffs would just about be guaranteed barring injuries! DO IT MJ! PLEEEEAAAAAASSSSEEE!!!!
I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed. - Michael Jordan
DO IT!
Harris is in his “prime” years and has PLAYOFF experience. He could be what gets us out of the first round this year.
I don't think this is going to happen
As more and more time drags on this seems to be a construct of the media moreso than anything tangible. Everything needs to be first predicated on Carmelo Anthony accepting New Jersey as his long term destination.
I’d love to get my hopes up too… but you’re saying Carmelo would rather go to a decimated Nets team over playing out this year and heading to NY with Stoudemire and potentially Tony Parker next free agency? I don’t think so.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
+1
I don’t think it’ll happen either. Melo signing a longer contract is the key to the deal. NJ won’t want to trade their entire future to rent Melo for a year. And I just don’t think Melo will sign a long term deal with Denver or NJ, b/c he simply wants to be in NY or Chicago.
Hopefully, one way or another, with or without Melo, MJ can figure out a way to seduce NJ into trading Devin Harris for DJ and Diaw…
Of course, nothing is preventing Melo from making "alteration suggetions" regarding the extension offer he signs.
This is not necessarily an overnight deal folks. Take a breath, have a mental marguerita, and watch it unfold. You got something better to do between now and the preseason?
Where’s that guy on the other blog posting his, “I just talked to DJ and he’s been told to get his sh*t! He’s on his way to the Cable Box now! It’s going DOWN babeeeee!!!!!!”
My sources can beat up your sources
by Ourdaywillcome on Sep 24, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Time dragging on?
It’s only been 3 hours for me.
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Sep 24, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Why? Did Eva wear his ass out that quickly?
I have GOT to meet that woman!
My sources can beat up your sources
by Ourdaywillcome on Sep 24, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I really want this trade to happen
I also had to take a deeper look to see why Utah would do this. I knew AK was making a good bit of money, but that’s a lot more than I thought. I remember before he started getting back spasms. He was, and maybe still is when he is healthy, the best defensive player in the league. And wasn’t terrible on offense like Big Ben either. If he’s healthy, he can give Denver good minutes that may not make the team any worse than they were with Melo.
I’ve always liked Devin Harris. Does anyone remember when he was traded in the Jason Kidd deal? Tony Parker came out to tell everyone that it was a load off for PG’s in the west because Harris was such a good defender (it was also a slight to Kidd’s speed). When NJ forced him into the major scoring role he proved he can step up and do it as well, though his defense does seem to suffer somewhat because of it. I can see him being an all-NBA defender with LB coaching him, expecially if he isn’t being asked to carry the load offensively.
Also, as a side note, what would Jordan be trying to pry out of someone? Okur? He’s a decent defender in the post that can stretch the floor. Wouldn’t be my first pick, but I wouldn’t hate him coming here. It seems like Utah is less committed to him as Millsap continues to improve, so I can see him being moved, but he does have 2 years and a large contract on him.
And James, it seems like by the time the press comes out with stories like they have, deals are pretty much done. I’ve almost never seen a trade not happen after the news broke like this. Of course the circumstances are special here. I can see it not happening as well just because Carmelo seems to be set on going to NY or Chicago. I can also see Chicago offering Noah at the last second when they see that this trade is going to happen. Why Melo would rather go to NY is beyond me, unless he really doesn’t care about winning,
Noah isn't going anywhere.
My sources can beat up your sources
by Ourdaywillcome on Sep 24, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think so either
but my jaw wouldn’t totally drop if it happened. Chicago wants Melo, and with Boozer on board, maybe they feel safe enough in the middle let Noah go. It would be a bad move IMO, as they give up a very good, very cheap, still developing player for someone that will play half-assed most of the time and be a defensive liability just because he will sell more tickets. Not to mention they ensure that they will have no cap room to make any moves to get any better. Can you say 4 straight second round losses in the playoffs?
Noah is one of those players everyone loves to hate.
But you’re right. He’s still developing. I predict that within 3 years he’s going to be a top 5 player in the league. He’s also going to be in a Bulls uniform and everyone outside of the Lake Michigan perimeter will STILL despise him.
My sources can beat up your sources
by Ourdaywillcome on Sep 24, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
well, they wont trade him
but the rumors are that his extension talks are having major trouble. And yes, I am one of the people who don’t like him. I watched him play last year and reluctantly admit that he is a good player and still has room to grow. Of course, I dislike pretty much any player that played for Florida.
And James, it seems like by the time the press comes out with stories like they have, deals are pretty much done.
I thoroughly disagree. On draft night Jameer Nelson and Vince Carter for Paul and Okafor was a done deal… and it fell through.
- Us with Calderon
It goes on, and on, and on… especially with this deal the player holds all the power. No agreement from Anthony, no deal… thats what makes this more difficult.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
STEIN_LINE_HQ One source close to the talks in Melo-to-New Jersey proposed four-way deal: “It either happens by Monday or the deal falls apart.”
less than 5 seconds ago via TweetDeck
Reply Retweet
Right about now Melo's phone is blowing up.
Calls from Denver mgmt, calls from NJ wooing/pleading/begging, 600 calls from media reps all with the same question, and his agent who has suddenly developed an odd condition. The sole symptom is that he keeps repeating the word, “KaCHING” over and over. Someone call Greg House.
My sources can beat up your sources
by Ourdaywillcome on Sep 24, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
STEIN_LINE_HQ Another source: Melo warming to idea of Nets, whose planned move to Brooklyn in two years under Russian billionaire Prokhorov is strong lure
less than a minute ago via TweetDeck
Sorry James and ODWC
but as of this twitter, I’m getting excited. :-P Man, if only college ball had the ability to do trades like this. Instead, I’m forced to follow recruiting rumors.
by Tim Rudisill on Sep 24, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
No need to be sorry
I’m excited at the prospect too, and I have my fingers crossed like everyone else.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
Prokhorov will offer the Max
and promise to make a run at CP3 when the opportunity rises.
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Sep 24, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
STEIN_LINE_HQ Problem for Knicks and Bulls, however, hasn’t changed. Knicks don’t have first-round picks to sweeten deal and Bulls will NOT part w/Jo Noah
Knicks have no assets
Not for 6 months anyway, and even then they’re mediocre at best.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
can we call Eddie Curry
the Plump Chip? Nah, I know that isn’t particularly good. Any ideas for a name for his contract?
It's on Sportscenter right now
Marc Stein was on a phone interview and he said the Nets will not agreed to the trade unless Melo agrees to sign an extension. Also, Stein said Melo is hoping that this news will urge the Knicks and Bulls to make last ditch efforts to put deals on the table for Melo’s services. He also said that if this deal is going to happen, it will be completed by Monday.
Latest on ESPN.com (about 15 mins ago)
says DJ is to be included in deal also and we get Jarvis Hayes. Really? Do we really need anothe SF. That can’t shoot?
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Hanlon's Razor
Hopefully, if there's interest
Surely the FO doesn’t think he will help in any other way.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Hanlon's Razor
The link
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5610989
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Hanlon's Razor
His rights, not his contract
Renounce his rights and you’ve immediately shed $2+ million by giving away DJ.
If that's the only reason
we should keep DJ. That sounds like a Bob Johnson move, not a “let’s put a good team out there” move.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Hanlon's Razor
disagree
If it takes DJ to do the deal…and it seems it does…then we do it, no questions asked
by andrewlail76 on Sep 24, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
C'mon man (ha)
If all the other pieces fall into place, the biggest, of course, being Melo agreeing to an extension, do you think NJ is going to nix the whole trade because they can’t have DJ. I can’t believe that.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Hanlon's Razor
any particular reason you want 4 PGs on the team?
Harris, DJ, Liv, Collins/J Crit?
Of those, DJ & Collins can ONLY play point
Are you DJ? Do you not want to leave Charlotte?
2 PGs and a 3rd that could play SG if they had to.
4PGs doesn’t make sense
I’d take the $2mil in space to try and get a C of value, but it’s just me
by andrewlail76 on Sep 24, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Understand your point
but I want to see this team excel as much as possible. Scrap Collins and Crittendon. With Harris, DJ, Livingston (PGs) Jack, Hendo and Carroll there’s no room for more guards anyway. They’re PT would be ridiculously small. There’s only going top be about 10 available minutes at PG with Harris starting anyway. Collins isn’t ready and why even take the chance on Crittendon if we don’t need to. With DJ we don’t need to.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Hanlon's Razor
I'm wrong, he has to sign & trade
Maybe that’s the sticking point. Don’t want to pay him.
Sign and trade =
Nuggets give him max, then move him to Nets
by andrewlail76 on Sep 24, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Marc Stein
On Sportscenter earlier said if the the deal isn’t done by Monday, it probably won’t get done.
If so
I’d like to place my bet as “8pm, tonight.”
by Tim Rudisill on Sep 24, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait...Eastern, Central, or west coast time?
by andrewlail76 on Sep 24, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
If I don't say, that just means I have 3 chances to be correct!
by Tim Rudisill on Sep 24, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
On a more serious note
logically Melo should wait until at least Monday to see if either NY or Chicago come through for him. It probably won’t happen, but he loses nothing by waiting. Unless he’s just that anxious to get off the Nuggets.
by Tim Rudisill on Sep 24, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
This makes te most sense
Problem is, Chicago won’t bite (did anyone see what Pippen said about Melo? Awesome) and New York can just conjure up assets.
World Wide Wes is trying to convince him to take the Nets deal
he better
Bulls won’t budge…and Knicks have nothing to offer
Get your plane ticket now
by andrewlail76 on Sep 24, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
No he shouldn't
He needs to go and go now
by andrewlail76 on Sep 24, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Past in the body instead of the subject
by andrewlail76 on Sep 24, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Their reliable source? Rufus on Fire. They are reading everything we say.
by Tim Rudisill on Sep 24, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Boom
I heard we are picking up Nene for Diop and Nazr
by andrewlail76 on Sep 24, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Now that I could definitely get behind
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Hanlon's Razor
I'm hoping RealGM reads it
and makes it so
by andrewlail76 on Sep 24, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
My sources say that's only our fall-back plan
Our first plan is to nab Oden.
by Tim Rudisill on Sep 24, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Only if the deal
for Howard falls through.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Hanlon's Razor
This sounds a little bit too good
James or OurDay, can either of you confirm this for realgm?
by Tim Rudisill on Sep 24, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
rofl - oh god, it hurts. I've been sick and I just started laughing so hard that I coughed up a lung.
I might be naive, but I can sometimes pick up on sarcasm – even over the internet! :)
by Tim Rudisill on Sep 24, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Tim
was commenting on the RealGM story.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Hanlon's Razor
No, no...
I was just playing along. Apparently my attempt failed worse than an attempt to make Wallace cry.
by Tim Rudisill on Sep 24, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
That "reliable source"
thing is always a little disconcerting for me. But I hope it’s true.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Hanlon's Razor
We all do...
I once saw an interview with “reliable source”
by andrewlail76 on Sep 24, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
If this goes through, and State wins tomorrow
Best weekend I’ve had in ages. Wife and kids are at the in-laws. I’ve got my chipotle and I’m watching football all weekend..
LOL
Nice
Go State
Come to Charlotte Mr Harris
by andrewlail76 on Sep 24, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
What I like best about Harris
He was known as a defensive stopper at Wisconsin and with the Mavs when he was a backup. Speedy PGs can do that
Add in the FT creation and handles… good combo for here!
Yeah, I'm waiting with baited breath
hoping that someone posts an “it’s complete – the trade is official” post since I don’t have a tv.
by Tim Rudisill on Sep 24, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Wojo copied a tweet from some other guy
Nuggets have given Melo an ultimatum: agree to a sign and trade with the nets or stay with the nuggets all year and sign under the next CBA.
you'll be waiting for awhile
if this offseason has taught us anything. best just to get your opinions in, then take the next two days off. Logical thinking might say that Melo should decide so he can party all weekend in NY with Jay-Z, but I think the opposite will happen (sort of). He’ll party all weekend in NY with Jay-Z to think about it.
Okay then
any ideas (plausible ones) about getting a 5 if this goes through?
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Hanlon's Razor
Uh oh. Problem.
Nets and Bobcats still haven’t agreed on DJ Augustin coming to Jersey as part of deal, team sources say. Nets need that in deal.
Haha, I got that update the same time you did
God bless smartphones
True dat.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Hanlon's Razor
If DJ holds this up
Classic case of owners overvaluing their own players. Kinda like how ROF thinks Gerald Henderson is the next Jordan.
I'm not fully opposed to losing DJ
Just not for the crap we’re being offered in return.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Hanlon's Razor
Right now it seems that MJ is holding all the chips
if everything above is true. Denver is forcing Melo into this and NJ and Utah need Charlotte to work this out. I’m betting that he squeezes just a little bit extra out. Do it MJ!
by Tim Rudisill on Sep 24, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Careful.
Last time he did that, he cost us Jose Calderon. Though if he pulls this off, I will gladly forgive him for that.
Your point still stands
You can only push people so far.
At the same time...
I do think we need something else if we are giving up DJ. Doesn’t have to be anything be. Just something.
They say Jarvis Hayes
Completely redundant on this roster.
Throw in a protected 1st round pick
and it’s a deal
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Sep 24, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
No doubt about Harris
but with no DJ, we HAVE to take a chance on Collins or Crittendon. I’d like to avoid that if possible.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Hanlon's Razor
Still not a breaking point though
If we refuse to include DJ, then we’re left in the exact same situation with worse starter
Hopefully MJ is holding out for Brian Zoubek :P
But in all seriousness, I think he wouldn’t be a bad throw in.
Wait - Zoubek?
Wasn’t he that really tall, lanky, goofy-looking center from Duke?
by Tim Rudisill on Sep 24, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
More updates
From Woj
The Nets want DJ Augustin as part of package, but two sources in process say it won’t be a deal-breaker to keep them from getting ’Melo.
From Mike Cranston
Been told we should know by tomorrow if it really is going down
So if it's not a dealbreaker, MJ has no reason to give him up
Crittenton and Collins could be looking for work elsewhere
I think Charlotte only got in on this
b/c Utah doesn’t want Harris, but is willing to dump AK47. They were willing to accept Diaw.
Either that, or Utah didn’t want to give up AK47 plus say Price or Miles in exchange for Harris (or Diaw).
Exactly. Utah got in to shed salary.
They are just as likely to pay the luxury tax as we are. They needed to get under the line for this season. NJ wanted expiring contracts and it doesn’t get much better than AK’s… we got lucky because we wanted something that NJ had to give up and Utah didn’t want
Why couldn't this have gone down
when we still had the dust chip?
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Hanlon's Razor
I was thinking the same thing.
thought maybe we coulda maybe got a legit center or a little more scoring off the bench if we coulda done this then.
I'm curious how everything came about
Did they trade for Damp with high hopes, things didn’t pan out, then they just lucked into Harris (assuming it goes through) while shedding salary? Or did they have some big plan from the beginning?
Don't know
but it smells of pure luck.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Hanlon's Razor
It wasn't luck.
At any given time the Cats (and any other pro team in any sport that allows trades) have multiple trade inquiries in various stages of completion.
This is just one that’s gotten closer to fruition than many of the others.
My sources can beat up your sources
by Ourdaywillcome on Sep 25, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Didn't Need Him, Apparently
Got under the tax and still landing an all-star PG? That’s a win-win.
by djwilliams11 on Sep 24, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Have to agree
If it had worked out getting Melo for Damp, we’d be way over the tax and how much better than a team that still has Crash to go with Devin Harris, a starting Tyrus Thomas, and cap room. I think this could turn out for the best.
Another great aspect: Derr-Devil has to play with Diaw gone.
So awesome!
I got LOTS of faith in Derr-Devil!
by andrewlail76 on Sep 24, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
If we could be on...
“The Ocho”
It wouldn’t be too bad
by andrewlail76 on Sep 24, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
It's the Bobcats.
As far as I’ve been able to tell, ESPN has allergy problems or something. If Charlotte were to get nuked ESPN would report, “80 thousand people died in Charlotte today. Also killed were about a dozen basketball players, but we can’t remember any of their names.”
My sources can beat up your sources
by Ourdaywillcome on Sep 25, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
My thoughts exactly
Like I said earlier, there’s no way I can believe that DJ would be a deal breaker if everything else falls into place.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Hanlon's Razor
Is anyone on our team going to be able to shoot from deep if we lose DJ?
Besides Carroll who probably won’t play. I know Jax will shoot whether he’s hitting or not.
I missed the reply button again
Carroll and DJ will be used as shooters if we keep him (DJ). If DJ goes, Carroll’s role gets a little bigger.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Hanlon's Razor
Carroll will play
for that exact reason.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Hanlon's Razor
Hendo might play for that reason as well...
I hope he worked on that jumper as much as he could…
Guess we’ll know next week
by andrewlail76 on Sep 24, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup
Hendo looked great in Summer League. I know the level of competition, but still.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Hanlon's Razor
He did look good
But not his jumper. That’s the worry.
He can always
just pump-fake then go dunk on someone.:)
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Hanlon's Razor
Only updates so far
Woj
Denver still hasn’t signed off on deal and haven’t shown other teams rush to do so. “They won’t get a better deal,” one involved exec says.
Cranston
Think DJ is gone if deal happens RT @Proudiddy: so does that mean we’d still be getting harris and keeping dj as well?
Damn it.
I'm really hoping for this mega deal to go down
I’ve been looking on twitter and a a few people are already saying that the deal has went through. Do they know something we don’t? James or OurDay, can you confirm this?
I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed. - Michael Jordan
by Cody Ledford on Sep 24, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
You won't get a drop from them...
they got burned too bad the last time
by andrewlail76 on Sep 24, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
That's true...
My bad guys! I’ll keep waiting…like you say andrew. I’ll wait for it.
I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed. - Michael Jordan
by Cody Ledford on Sep 24, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
This isn't their leak
no burn this time
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Sep 24, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I won't speak for James...
But I first heard about this on Wed. morning fairly close to noon. As Andrew said, I’m not revealing a drop of anything I know. I’m not fame hungry and any excitement I had over things earlier this summer got drowned in the sea of criticism. I share my toys, but not my Bobcats info.
My sources can beat up your sources
by Ourdaywillcome on Sep 25, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
No picking to be done here
I didn’t realize it was on. I’m tuned in now. I usually watch shows once the dvd comes out.
my friends give me hell about it.
But thats ok. I fell in love with Star Wars when i was a kid and just cant give it up.
Clone Wars is really well done
That makes it great to watch
by andrewlail76 on Sep 24, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I went to the Star wars celabration 5 in Orlando this past august.
Was one of the best weekends of my life. LOL.
I was supposed to go to that
It was just too far away and too expensive. How was the forum with Jon Stewart? I saw the short clip with the original opening scene for Jedi (not sure I believe Lucas regarding its origin… might just be a publicity stunt)
Too bad my highs chool classmates didn't know that...
Talk about worst 4 years of my life…
It kinda sucks that it's so chic to be nerdy now
I went to Iron Man 2 at midnight, usually reserved for fellow geeks and something I’ve enjoyed since Episode 1 as a chance to be with a bunch of other similar people, and it was full of frat boys and people who had no idea what Thor’s hammer was at the end of the credits.
Amazed that folks stayed through the end credits
I do…for almost anything…just in case
by andrewlail76 on Sep 24, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I still remember the first time I sat through the end credits.
And I still love Monty Python.
by Tim Rudisill on Sep 24, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
You had all the nerds that did
And then all the other people were standing at the doors wondering why all the people with Iron Man shirts were still in their seats.
i had to explain everything
to my friends while watching the movie. lol. i think most the people around me were listening too. lol
My wife and in-laws love nerdy movies
as long as I’m there to explain what’s good about them. My wife wants to do a Marvel Marathon before going to the midnight showing of the Avengers.
If only DC would do something like this… DC > Marvel
they do have superman and batman
but i like marvel better. oh dont know if you knolw but dc is releasing a superman/batman animated movie tuesday
I have all the DC animated features
Under the Red Hood was awesome. Can’t wait for Apokalipse next week.
I used to be a lot higher on Marvel. I just haven’t been impressed with their recent runs.
I've always been a Marvel phreak.
Apart from indie comics, Stan Lee always created the most compelling backstories for the heroes. I couldn’t help but get into the character development. Even the super badguys had interesting histories.
My sources can beat up your sources
by Ourdaywillcome on Sep 25, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I just prefer the tone of DC comics
Bruce Wayne/Batman is the most complex, dense, developed character in mainstream comics. I like Marvel comics as much as the next guy, but DC has a more mature feel to it.
Nerd Chic is almost as big now as Goth and Emo.
A show like “Big Bang Theory” would never have gotten past the pitch stage 10 years ago. Now it’s the breakout smash and the live audience is packed with ubergeeks that laugh at even the most obscure physics reference.
My sources can beat up your sources
by Ourdaywillcome on Sep 25, 2010 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
That'll be the day...
The Old Republic reminds me of Starcraft 2… wait, that came out… keeping my ears open and my eyes peeled…
Hot off the presses:
It was just announced that World of Darkness is making a WoD MMO.
by Tim Rudisill on Sep 24, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Great Pen and Paper System
Hope it translates well to the digital realm.
by djwilliams11 on Sep 24, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Same
although my gut reaction is that it’ll do as poorly as the D&D MMO has. But if they can make it work – I would love to play it.
by Tim Rudisill on Sep 24, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I draw the line
WAY in front of that, my man. lol
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Hanlon's Razor
Dude - if you are in Raleigh, then definitely.
I’m looking for a group. Must be 4e – I quit playing 3.5 when some idiot was working to build Pun-Pun in the game.
by Tim Rudisill on Sep 24, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I have 4 different versions of the original trilogy
THX release, Special Edition, DVD release, DVD Theatrical release. Blu-Ray when it comes out. I have tons of toys from when I was a kid that I kept in the box. I have a jedi cloak I made for movie we made when I was a teenager… Also, I have a display case full of Batman statues.
I'll bail on the Blu.
I’ve purchased the original trilogy in virtually every format since laser disc. He’s gotten enough of my coin. Unless that is, the day comes when he releases the super duper uber double-secret edition with 3.09 seconds of never before seen footage.
My sources can beat up your sources
by Ourdaywillcome on Sep 25, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I had all but 3 of the original He-Man figures...
most of the vehicles and Castle Grayskull
when the new He-Man came out, it killed the value of all of it…
Sold it all for $100
by andrewlail76 on Sep 24, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I had the castle and battle damage He-Man
Amongst others.
Did anybody else watch that show Mask where the guys would drive cars that turned into flying attack/rescue vehicles?
I just recently found out
about the plans to make 3 movies and a TV series (2 seasons) based on Stephen King’s Dark Tower series…. I had to change my underwear.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Hanlon's Razor
For multiple reasons.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Hanlon's Razor
Surely there's another Tower junkie on ROF somewhere.... :)
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Hanlon's Razor
I was a bad Towerholic when King first started writing them.
After about the third book I lost track. When I got divorced 10 years ago I lost my whole King collection including a personally autographed copy of his nonfiction piece “Danse Macabre.”
I’m slowly rebuilding the set, but just to have them. I’m not trying to replace any of my first editions, etc.
I’ll buy the Tower books all at once so I can read them in an orgy of awesome some weekend. About a month ago I replaced the original 5 Bachman books and tore through them. The original edition of “The Stand” (as opposed to the BS edition King threw out later CLAIMING it was the original even though it quoted GNR lyrics that weren’t written until 8 years after the original version of the book) is still my favorite fictional work of all time.
My sources can beat up your sources
by Ourdaywillcome on Sep 25, 2010 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
The Stand
was always my favorite, too. Until the Tower. You’ll love the remaining books. Roland is almost too badass. Randall Flagg fears him (was that a little foreshadowing from me?) ;)
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Hanlon's Razor
I could never get into King
I’m feverish right now, so I don’t feel like doing the research, but when I was younger my friends all said, “You like sci-fi and fantasy? You MUST read King!” So I went to a bookstore and the lady told me, “Also, see those Bachman books? Those are his, too.” Well, I looked at all of them and noticed that there were two books that had the cover of the other one on
the back.
This is where I have to admit to having a really, really bad memory (I’m currently re-reading the second Xanth novel, a book I’ve read twice previously. I don’t remember any of it). I know there was something about a van pulling up and down this street and the story was told from a different perspective in both books. Anyway – I thought it was crap. Garbage. Terrible. “But Tim,” my girlfriend at the time said, “those are not his best books! Read something different and not anything by his Bachman persona.” So I went and picked up … uh … I don’t remember. Yeah, this is how good his books are to me. Hey – I may forget books within 3 days of reading them, but at least I have the courtesy to remember their titles if they were decent.
In all fairness, a few years later I watched this really awesome movie called “Firestarter.” I have always believed that a book is always better than the movie, so if the movie was good, the book has to be. Right? Right? Well, I went out and got it and sure enough, that book was pretty darn good.
That’s still not enough to convince me to read anything else by him. 1 out of 4 is just not good odds. King ranks as one of my least favorite authors for this reason. Oh – and I remember when the Towers books came out. I was fascinated by how he was releasing a book in parts. This guy has some serious pull if he can sell you 1/5 of a book and I admit to having been wowed by that.
by Tim Rudisill on Sep 25, 2010 6:05 AM EDT up reply actions
King's career has had highs and lows.
He went through a period where he knew all he had to do was vomit on the page and it would be a bestseller. As a result there are a string of his books that are absolute garbage. Pet Semetary is a good example. In it the same scene is rewritten and replayed about a dozen times just to fill space.
But when he’s really making the effort, his stuff is incredible! The Green Mile serialization is another example of King at his best.
I loved Anthony’s Xanth books until he said he himself hated them and could crank them out with no effort. An originally planned trilogy now has like 8000 books in it. My favorite of his is “On a Pale Horse,” the first book in the Incarnations of Immortality set. Simply amazing.
My sources can beat up your sources
by Ourdaywillcome on Sep 25, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Oohh - I forgot about the Incarnations of Immortality
I loved those books.
I read the first 6 and then never could find the one about god – so that’s a series I was never able to complete. I should really try to find that last book.
by Tim Rudisill on Sep 25, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Really unique take on the medium
I love it. I see no reason why movies and tv can’t play off each other.
I have an idea to create 1 hour movies for the theatre. So you take a story that can’t fit into a 3 hour movie. Break it into like 5 seperate 1 hour parts. Film them all at once. Release them monthly or bi-monthly and charge $7 per episode instead of $9. Optimized for a big screen and sound system. Watchmen was what made me want to do it. There just wasn’t enough time to fit it all in.
Yup
Watchmen was hard to watch because of the time restraints. They have the ability to do it right with the Tower format. Ron Howard is directing 1st movie and 1st TV season… They guy that produced I Am Legend and I, Robot will be producing the same….. can’t remember his name.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Hanlon's Razor
Movies are too short, TV shows are too cheap
Trying to find a balance, trying to build a balance
Watchmen?
The only thing in that movie that was too big to fit it all in was Greg Oden’s penis making it’s film debut as Dr. Manhattan’s penis.
by Tim Rudisill on Sep 24, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
If it does go down,
im trying to think of a team that has as much lenght and atheticism as the bobcats will have.
Thunder
Westrbook, Sefalosha/Harden, Durant, Green, Ibaka… Yikes.
Let's Hope
That Santa comes while we’re sleeping :)
by djwilliams11 on Sep 24, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn...
I think he may be ready to help Jax make some sweet love to pressure
by andrewlail76 on Sep 25, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Dampier?
Crazy idea: Since Dampier cannot find any takers and the Heat have said no, do you think he would reconsider the 2.2 million offer on the table from the Cats if the other starters are Harris/Jack/Wallace/Tyrus?
by Bring Back Primoz on Sep 24, 2010 10:19 PM EDT reply actions
I read that somewhere
I’ll see if I can find the link and will post it
by Bring Back Primoz on Sep 24, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Here you go
I read this on hoopshype:
With four centers already under contract, the Miami Heat have bypassed the opportunity to add free-agent center Erick Dampier. Despite a Wednesday meet-and-greet with Heat President Pat Riley at AmericanAirlines Arena and despite having ties to the area, Dampier now finds himself with a Miami condo that will not be his permanent address this season. Having signed Dwyane Wade, LeBron James, Chris Bosh, Mike Miller and Udonis Haslem this offseason, adding a 19th player to the training-camp roster hardly was a priority for Riley. —South Florida Sun-Sentinel
by Bring Back Primoz on Sep 24, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Per Hoops Hype:
Dampier has offers from Houston and Milwaukee on the table.
Both are closer to a championship than us, so I think he goes to one of them.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
by James Dator on Sep 24, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
But if he goes to Houston, he’s fighting for minutes with Yao and Miller. And Milwaukee can only offer the veteran’s minimum.
by Bring Back Primoz on Sep 24, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
If we take on Devin Harris and Hayes we can only off the vet min too.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
by James Dator on Sep 24, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't we have 2.2 million left for our MLE?
Getting players via trade doesn’t impact the MLE ….. at least I didn’t think so.
by Bring Back Primoz on Sep 24, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Do we have any of the MLE left?
MLE is $5.7 million this season
Livingston is getting $3.5 million
Kwame Brown is getting $1.22 million
Dominic Macguire is getting $800k
That totals $5.2 million
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
by James Dator on Sep 24, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Only Livingston counts
You can sign as many guys at the minimum as you want. From the CBA:
Minimum Salary Exception: Teams can sign players for the NBA’s minimum salary even if they are over the cap, for up to two years in length. In the case of two-year contracts, the second-season salary is the minimum salary for that season. The contract may not contain a signing bonus. This exception also allows minimum-salary players to be acquired via trade. There is no limit to the number of players that can be signed or acquired using this exception.
by Bring Back Primoz on Sep 24, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotcha
My mistake.
Honestly, Dampier kind of pissed me off when he outright lied to everyone saying we’d have first chance then running to Miami immediately. I’d rather get someone who wants to play here, not a has been picking Charlotte as a last resort.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
by James Dator on Sep 24, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually you were right
Don’t have time to dig up a link, but here’s the deal. A team can sign as many minimum salary players as it wants, but they still count against the cap or exceptions to the cap. So every FA the Bobcats have signed to a guaranteed contract counts against the MLE. To get the most out cap exceptions, a team needs to sign minimum contracts AFTER it signs the more expensive contracts.
Not true
There are lots of different types of exceptions. You can keep signing as many minimum exceptions as you want and that doesn’t impact your MLE. They are separate and signing minimum contracts does not and cannot affect a team’s MLE.
by Bring Back Primoz on Sep 24, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably right
Since it was reported that the Bobcats could sign Dampier for $2.2 million (the value of the MLE minus Liv’s contract), then minimum salary contracts must not count against cap exceptions. They do definitely count against the cap itself, which is what I was thinking of. I couldn’t find anyting in Larry Coon’s FAQ that directly answered this question.
BBP
I was thinking the same thing…especially with Kwame’s ankle deal
by andrewlail76 on Sep 25, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
The only insight I can offer is this:
There are some inside the organization who think they already have Devin Harris in Augustin, it’s just that Deej carries a $8 million lower price tag.
Personally, I think Harris is vastly more talented… but that’s what I’ve heard
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
Probably Larry Brown
Since he drafted DJ over Lopez. I tend to agree with you. I think Harris is a vastly superior player to Augustin.
by Bring Back Primoz on Sep 24, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
What do DJ and Devin Harris have in common? Harris an Allstar DJ a backup who averaged 6 points and 2 assist on %38 shooting Harris a big PG who is known as a good defender DJ a dwarf of a PG and a flatfooted defender DJ and Harris both play PG that is as far as the comparisions can go. This trade is a nobrainer for the Bobcats
All-Star to us... we don't pay the bills
We just learnt with Dampier that the fan’s goals and the team’s are very rarely, if ever in alignment.
You don’t need to convince me. I love Devin Harris, but try calling Time Warner right now because from what I hear there is a strong push from some to pass on this one like they did with Calderon.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
by James Dator on Sep 24, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
The Cats are forgetting something
They found someone willing to take Diaw! So does getting Harris and dumping Diaw really get trumped by the slim chance DJ actually becomes a decent player?
I don’t think so.
by Bring Back Primoz on Sep 24, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
I don’t know of any other deals, but unless they think they can land a pretty decent center for Diaw (which I don’t see happening) then I really don’t know the holdup
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
by James Dator on Sep 24, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Per Chris Boussard
I’m told Denver’s dragging its feet, not sure it wants to go ahead and make the deal. Waiting game from this point
Jeez...anyone coming to that conclusion doesn't deserve their job
Of course, that’s the thinking that prompted them to draft him over Lopez. The worst thing to do when you make a mistake of judgement is to compound it by allowing pride to cloud the reality.
Per 36 their first two seasons:
Augustin: 14.5 ppg, 4.6 apg
Harris: 14.4 ppg, 5.0 apg
Even with Augustin’s slump they’e tracking close enough to warrant the argument.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
by James Dator on Sep 24, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
That is “how much better Harris is”
Come on Bobcats, don’t overthink this deal or get too greedy. Circumstances have put you in a great position. If you blow this, MJ will be second guessed harder than he ever was in Washington.
+1
Not sure if the Jarvis Hayes inclusion is holding it up either, although I imagine his salary in a sign and trade would be very low.
by Bring Back Primoz on Sep 24, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Or that Harris played against starters and closed out games and DJ did not
but on the other hand Harris played for NJ. The other teams may have rested their starters all game long last season.
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Sep 25, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Hell no.
Harris is heads and shoulders better than D.J. when it comes to being a PG. The stats are lying again.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Sep 25, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Is that a height joke?
Since DJ is 5’10"(no way he’s 5’11")
and Devin Harris is 6’5"
by andrewlail76 on Sep 25, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
This from Chris Broussard:
Person close to Melo-trade talks just told me there’s no way this trade happens tonight
about 45 minutes ago
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
Charlotte could still find a way to screw this up... per CBS sports:
sources say the Nets, the team that has been most aggressive in its pursuit of Anthony since it became known six weeks ago he wanted out of Denver, are concerned enough that they are continuing their attempts to pry Augustin from the Bobcats. If they’re unsuccessful, another option would be to try to bring in another team.
Augustin at $2 million or Harris at $9 million?
You better believe there are teams out there with young, promising, cheap point guards that would take Devin Harris for their young guy.
These are the options I see:
- Minnesota with Johnny Flynn
- Memphis for Mike Conley
- Cleveland for Daniel Gibson
- Detroit for Rodney Stuckey
If I’m the Bobcats and a 27 year old all star PG is out there they need to do it.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
Again, if MJ screws this up I am going to literally explode!!!!!
This is a trade that can help us A LOT! It helps placate the lack of getting anything from the dust chip other than tax relief. TIME TO LAY DOWN THE CARDS AND SAY YES MJ!!!!!!!!
If 4 team trades are as difficult as they make it out to be
Then just plugging in a new team shouldn’t be that easy either. If this trade has progressed this far as is it seems like it’s either as is or bust. They say Dj isn’t a deal breaker either.
If the Bobcats include DJ in the deal, they want something in return
He has some value.
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Sep 25, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Devin Harris has a lot more value
Diaw for Harris straight up is very lopsided in the Cats favor. Adding DJ to the trade helps level it out a bit, but the deal is still a great opportunity for Charlotte. New Jersey would never trade Harris for Diaw (or even Diaw and DJ) if they didn’t need Diaw to get Anthony.
Just saw Marc Stein on sportscenter
No mention of DJ but they say it’s looking good.
They showed a 38 win prediction (I’m assuming uncredited from John Hollinger). Anyway… could be sweet. They basically said Carmelo just wants to move to the east coast and he accepts that the Nets are how that can happen.
From what I'm hearing most recently, none of this is really inside info.
Cats are still doing whatever they can to get DJ off the table, even if that means including Hendo to tempt New Jersey.
NJ are still pushing hard for DJ, but don’t want to risk finding a new 4th team and have someone undercut them with a better offer, so they may end up dealing for Melo and looking for a PG later. I also hear they’re trying to see if there is any way they can get Billups from Denver too, but can’t find a way to make the $$ work, because Denver do not want Devin Harris.
My guys suspects (note: ‘suspects’ not ‘knows’) that the reluctance to trade Augustin may be because the Bobcats have another suitor for him.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
Got a brief update: This is the Bobcats trying to strong arm the negotiations
I hope they haven’t misjudged their importance in this trade, but they are putting the ball back in Jersey’s court saying ’You’re really going to kill this over DJ Augustin?’
Each minute that ticks the Nets are wondering if Chicago will change their mind on Noah which would kill any offer from Jersey short of Favors and Lopez.
I don’t know what the Bobcats are hoping to get out of this deal, but the most plausible thing that’s gaining some momentum is that I’ve heard there is one more piece that Denver want from NJ (not Lopez). If the Nets are willing to send that to Denver I’ve heard Chris Anderson will head to Charlotte and the Bobcats will okay Augustin to Jersey. Only player I can see is Kris Humphries… I guess Denver want another big with an expiring contract… who knows.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
I like it
Like I said earlier, I just can’t believe that this deal falls through because of DJ. Sounds like the FO is pretty sure of it, too. We should get the best deal that we can if that’s the case. I would love to see The Birdman rejecting shots at TWC Arena.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Hanlon's Razor
Including DJ in the trade only gives an extra $2.5 million or so to work with when matching salaries
We would be sending out $9 million with Boris and taking back $8.9 million with Harris. So adding DJ Augustin means we’re sending out an extra $2.5 million. We can only take back up to 105% of what we send out. So a maximum of ~$12 million coming back, 8.9 by Harris’s contract leaves just over $3 million. Nobody on the Nets or Nuggets fits that bill (at least not that would be useful enough to send out DJ). Birdman is paid $4.5 million so he won’t work.
There’s a limit to the creativity a front office can manufacture. With no insider information or connections beyond the synapses in my own mind, I’m invoking occam’s razor and saying at most we send out Diaw and Augustin for Harris and some bit piece. Anything more feels like painting stripes on a horse. But all I have to work on is Twitter and espn.com.
It's actually 125%
So sending out Diaw/DJ and bringing in Harris/Birdman would work under the CBA.
by Bring Back Primoz on Sep 25, 2010 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Chris Anderson before and after pictures - How would this go over in Charlotte?
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Sep 25, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Now, now let's not stereotype
The guy had 1 technical all of last season. Do your research, don’t just assume.
Lemonade was a popular drink and it still is,
I get more props and stunts than Bruce Willis
- Guru, of Gangstarr
by Ben Swanson on Sep 25, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I was referring to the new rules
Anderson always emotes when he is called for a foul or he feels he was fouled (raising his arms, pointing, discussing with ref, etc.). Also plays 22 min a game.
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Sep 25, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Not many players don't do that
Lemonade was a popular drink and it still is,
I get more props and stunts than Bruce Willis
- Guru, of Gangstarr
by Ben Swanson on Sep 25, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I can back that suspicion.
I’ve been told the same thing re Augustin. But from what I’m hearing it also involves us getting yet another questionable F/C without a lot of offense in his pocket.
My sources can beat up your sources
by Ourdaywillcome on Sep 25, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Well good grief...
The only F/C I can think of is Nene…
by andrewlail76 on Sep 25, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I like the initial proposed trade of Diaw out and Harris in
The updated proposed trade of including DJ to Nets I don’t like as much (for the reasons stated by others re if Harris goes down we are down to Liv and Crit / Collins running the point) but in the end I would still pull the trigger.
I would also point out that whilst strengthening Point Guard Position, we are further weakening the Centre Position potentially becuase at this stage I see Diaw and Tyrus playing together a whole lot in our line up.
If this deal goes down we definately need to do something about the centre position as Diop / Nazr / Brown will only get us so far imho.
Only thing to do now is sit back and wait to see what happens (if anything).
Tyrus Thomas via Twitter:
tythomas12
Got a lot on my mind and can’t speak it… Sorta like a Gag Order… SMH
No way to know if it’s related to any trade information… but important to note
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
I cancelled my tythomas12 tweets
he posts a lot and usually has nothing to say. Maybe when the season starts I’ll reconsider.
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Sep 25, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
He gets really bored...
The other day he decided to become twitter’s official timekeeper and posted what time it was, every minute, for about 20 minutes!
I don't like the "SMH" part though...
Either he’s “shaking his head” because he doesn’t like the trade or he’s shaking it because he can’t speak about it….not sure.
SMH means shaking my head?
I’m so out of touch… and I’m only 27.
Gee. I thought it meant "soiled my Hanes!"
My sources can beat up your sources
by Ourdaywillcome on Sep 25, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
he's shaking his head
because he realizes he’s F*ing screwed if he’s going to the best big man the Bobcats have on their roster. He may have been before, but christ, the Bobcats just got rid of 3 decent role player big men and hope to pin it on two D-League quality talents? rotflmao. Poor Ty Thomas. Got screwed outta Chicago, new getting screwed in Charlotte.
Who are the d-league quality talents and who are the 3 decent role player big men?
I honestly think you are looking at a different squad.. or just don’t know what you are talking about
Well.. you think that he’s “getting screwed” in Charlotte, so on second thought you really don’t know what in the world you are talking about
GSO
Do you like rumors? Cuz here's something very interesting
On Bobcatsplanet there’s a guy who is the brother-in-law of DJ or something. Regardless, he supposedly is close to DJ. He just posted the following earlier today:
dj is all but gone
Just heard from DJ chalotte has backed off not including him and the trade is now going to happen..
Lemonade was a popular drink and it still is,
I get more props and stunts than Bruce Willis
- Guru, of Gangstarr
That guy again?
Wojo just intimated that wasn’t the case. Nets are trying to find somewhere else to get a PG other than Charlotte.
*shrugs* I don't know, just giving info
at this point no one really knows
Lemonade was a popular drink and it still is,
I get more props and stunts than Bruce Willis
- Guru, of Gangstarr
Hey - who do you trust more?
Some mamby-pamby sports journalist?
Or the brother-in-law of my adopted cousin’s best friend’s uncle Peter who was just in the hospital and saw someone who said they were good friends with the sister of the girlfriend of the person who does the taxes for DJ’s mother’s second cousin’s grandfather from Delaware?
Obviously, you can’t trust the sports journalist – it’s just too far-fetched!
by Tim Rudisill on Sep 25, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
This is the same guy that posted a month ago that "DJ just left to go get his!"
Or something to that effect, right?
My sources can beat up your sources
by Ourdaywillcome on Sep 25, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you saying you can't trust information from a reputable source named BallWhore?
by Bring Back Primoz on Sep 25, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not saying he's a good source, just that it's some info
Lemonade was a popular drink and it still is,
I get more props and stunts than Bruce Willis
- Guru, of Gangstarr
No more than you can trust a schmuk named Ourdaywillcome that flubs a major trade leak.
My sources can beat up your sources
by Ourdaywillcome on Sep 26, 2010 3:58 AM EDT up reply actions
This dude that showed up.
Started making a bunch of noise about inside information and contacts within the organization. He started promising this big trade deal that would change the face of the franchise for years to come and none of it ever happened. He ended up burned in effigy at like 4 different blogs and finally just disappeared. It didn’t matter that in the weeks that followed virtually everything he had mentioned came out in the media and that it got cancelled at the last minute, he was a real jaggoff.
Hopefully he’ll never come around HERE again!
My sources can beat up your sources
by Ourdaywillcome on Sep 26, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard he was secretly a Lakers fan
and just wanted to come by to rub it in our noses that his team is better than ours.
by Tim Rudisill on Sep 26, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I bet he's a Nets fan
and is secretly fanning the current trade rumor “fire” in his underground lair
by andrewlail76 on Sep 26, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I think DJ
would be useful coming off the bench and shooting, that’s why I hope the Cats hang on to him. Am I the only one? As I said before, that’s what he do.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Hanlon's Razor
I don't think anyone wants to give him away
we just don’t want him to be the reason we don’t switch Diaw for Harris.
If it came to that
of course he’s gone. But since that is unlikely I say let him take up 10-12 minutes per game and gives us a spark off the bench. Without the pressure of being the “starting pg” I bet he would blossom. He’s a scorer, we should let him score. Unless there is another trade out there for a good 5 Dampier might be the most sensible move. I know he gave us a small dis by basically putting us on the bottom of his list (like he even deserves a list), but for 2.2m and surrounded by Tyrus, Jax, Crash and Harris that might the best we can do. Carroll and DJ can come in and shoot… then sit back down.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Hanlon's Razor
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