Community projection: D.J. Augustin
D.J. Augustin did not take well to Larry Brown's tutelage last season. As a former point guard, himself, Brown, apparently, has strong ideas about what a point guard should be, which works out well for those guys who aren't particularly efficient scorers, like Chauncey Billups and Raymond Felton, to name the most prominent Brown success stories. That said, what happens when a guy, like Augustin, comes to Brown as a dead eye shooter, but doesn't seem to have much feel for distributing the rock?
Last year, Augustin reduced his shooting all the way around. We saw this with our own eyes, and it was noted in many a game thread, but it still helps to have the data compiled in front of us. Take a look at his per-minute numbers and you'll notice that Augustin:
- Took fewer shots from all distances last year, compared to 08-09.
- Was less efficient at the rim (48.0FG% to 40.7FG%), from distance twos (43.0FG% to 33.0FG%), and from three (65.9eFG% to 49.0eFG%), but more efficient from mid-range (<10 feet: 31.0FG% to 45.5FG%, and 10-15 feet: 30.0FG% to 36.7FG%).
- Improved his assist rate and his turnover rate.
- Was a better defender, it appears, by his increased number of steals, charges taken, and blocks(!). Small sample size theatre, but still...
Taking a look at his Basketball Value page, the one thing that jumps out to me is that Augustin was much better in small lineups than he was with our "big" lineups. In other words, playing alongside Shaun Livingston, or with Boris Diaw at center, might not be a bad idea in sum, given that Augustin seems to prefer playing off the ball and those two guys can do some heavy lifting when it comes to creating offense. Of course, that also kind of depends on Augustin doing what Augustin does best, and not what Brown wants him to do. The more I see him play, the more I think Augustin's biggest problem is that he isn't 6-2, because then he'd be allowed to try being Ben Gordon. At 5-10 (or 5-11, if you're generous), I don't blame coaches for wanting to re-shape him into a true-er PG rather than jigger the roster to get a big PG next to him who can also guard SGs.
I'm going to predict a bench role for Augustin this year, because a healthy Livingston will appeal to Brown's defense-first instincts, and Brown will also be attracted to the idea of bringing offensive-minded players off the bench (Augustin, Diaw) late in the first quarter. So:
1700 minutes
16 points/40 minutes
5.2 assists/40
2.5 rebounds/40
What say you?
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Consider that DJ's
stats were not against starting line-ups during the first quarter or during crunch time when a game was on the line. He played against the other teams second tier on the rare occasion when Felton needed a rest. One would expect DJ to have good numbers against the second string. But were the numbers really good?
I hope he does well next year, but he needs to improve to be an asset.
There will be more trades, DJ is still possibility to land elsewhere.
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Sep 20, 2010 11:39 AM EDT reply actions
I love DJ Augustin.
I had very high hopes that he would carve a niche for himself as a quality starter or a constant contender for the 6th Man Award depending on which team he wound up with.
Last season he seemed trapped in a very long shadow. Oddly enough, it wasn’t Felton’s or even Jackson’s shadow. It was Larry Brown’s. A lot of people have commented on whether or not DJ is a “Larry Brown point guard.” But what exactly does that mean?
Coach Brown builds his teams around defense. In essence “play the right way” means prevent the other team from playing THEIR way. He expects his point guards to be the anchor of the defense and the role model for the rest of the squad when it comes to throwing other teams off their rhythm.
At the offensive end, Coach Brown trains his squads to pounce on fast break and transitional opportunities as they arise but his primary focus is on a very methodical half-court offense. Four passes before the shot, movement without the ball, and a massive number of set plays are all trademarks of LB’s teams. The burden on the point guard is heavier than on many other pro teams because orchestrating and executing such a large number of sets is challenging – particularly for a shoot first guard like Augustin. I personally think there is a basketball player trapped inside Brown’s body and nobody on the Bobcats sidelines wants to be in the game more than the coach himself. I think he hates the fact that he has to live vicariously through the young men actually on the court. Larry Brown is the ultimate armchair quarterback and every single time a play occurs – whether it succeeds or not – Brown can’t keep himself from thinking about how he might have handled it differently had the ball been in his hands. This is why the most common phrase Augustin heard from the sidelines last season was, “Why the hell did you do THAT?”
Coach Brown doesn’t want Augustin to play LIKE Larry Brown, Coach Brown wants to BE DJ Augustin. Last season it was a no-win situation for Deej and as the season wore on the frustration both men were experiencing became fairly obvious. Meanwhile, Raymond Felton succeeded largely because all he needed to do was elevate his existing game rather than adapt his play against his own court instincts.
Although Felton has gone away, the DJ situation has not. From the impressively researched numbers David has provided it’s pretty clear that Augustin was making an effort. This season Brown has little choice but to rely more on DJ to play the one. A good coach needs to adapt his gameplan to suit the skills of his players and Larry Brown is a damned good coach. Augustin tried hard to meet LB halfway last season and I believe his future success with the Bobcats depends on Larry Brown’s willingness to loosen up the leash just a bit. It’s advantageous for LB to do so. If he’s thought it through he’ll realize that he has a real opportunity to present several different offenses this season depending on how well he matches his compatable players up when they take the court. It would pose a real problem for opposing coaches because they can’t focus on defending the Bobcats one way throughout the game.
As the first choice off the bench, DJ could anchor a much more fluid Bobcats second squad and speed up the offense – especially if Derrick Brown continues to develop as a slashing/cutting forward. It would be just enough to catch defenses flatfooted if all of a sudden instead of defending carefully constructed sets they were faced with sharp passing combined with sudden and unexpected shots. A defense settled into a casual zone that protects the paint and expects screens and picks would be slow to recover and move out to the perimeter to handle a threat from a new area of the court.
The big question is, will LB realize this and use Augustin as the flag bearer for that sort of play or will he continue to try to force DJ into a mold he simply isn’t designed to fit into?
We’ll have our answer within 3 weeks of the start of the season. I also think we’ll know by then whether or not DJ will still be in a Bobcats uni the day after the trade deadline.
My sources can beat up your sources
by Ourdaywillcome on Sep 20, 2010 12:20 PM EDT reply actions
I do not think as highly of DJ
He has skills and given the opportunity to play in some other systems he might have greater success, but his limitations will always define him. DJ is not a good passer nor creator for others. It’s not in his DNA. DJ has a pretty good handle and can get on a roll at times relative to shooting and scoring. His defense is perhaps his weakest trait, due to his lack of height and length, along with a difficulty in managing picks or getting a burst from his lateral movement. He would serve as a better asset to a running team as their bench PG, which is why a trade of Boris Diaw and DJ to Golden State for Monta Ellis would seem so natural. The merits of Ellis on this team are certainly up for debate, as he is no more a pure point than Augustine.
Still, LB is our coach, and I don’t think we have a PG on this team to his liking. Livingston could be a good option but we won’t know for a while. Still, the uncertainty at the 1 give me concern for another slow start this season, despite the carryover of many players from last year.
I agree with most of what you said.
I’m not worried about a slow start because Thomas/Wallace/Jackson make a three-headed-beast that may not be as good as the monster in Miami, but they have the advantage of having played together for a while. In the early going in particular, this will give us an edge. The two big questions – what to do at the one and five are what is preventing us from having a prayer at making a deep playoff run but we should be able to survive until management can make some changes. Center by commitee isn’t a long-term solution but it’ll do for a while. Nazr isn’t exactly useless, he just can’t play more than 25 minutes a night for very long.
Our big question is point guard and there’s a lot more weight and pressure on Livingston’s knee than just his upper body.
I think it’s a safe bet that this will be the end of the Larry Brown era in Charlotte. In fact, I’ll be surprised if he isn’t fired should the team have a poor record over the first 20 games. You heard that here first.
My sources can beat up your sources
by Ourdaywillcome on Sep 20, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I don't think Larry's very happy to be here..
seems like he was ticked off having to show up at the pre-draft workouts. His comments about his coaching status were ice cold…
well said OurDay.
it’s got to be somewhat of a confidence boost that the organization let Felton walk & didn’t ship him off. Hope he snaps back into it within those first 3 weeks you mentioned.
I’d love to see him hold a 12 points / 5 assists line if he starts // 10 points / 4 assists if he’s off the bench – if I was him I’d be setting up Jax / Wallace / Carroll in my sleep
by bobcatRedemption on Sep 21, 2010 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Yea let's play D .J. off the ball
because there’s just too many minutes for Jax and Hendo to go around. We need Deej to be a pg. Even if Livingston turns out to be a starter, even if he is a “scoring” pg, we need him to be able to play on the ball, set up plays for his teammates, and try like hell on defense.
Augustin “playing off the ball” doesn’t have to be exclusive to playing Jax at SG. What I’m hoping is that the notion of a “point guard” is secondary to good ball movement leading to scores, which doesn’t have to originate with any one player. Look at Felton last year. Everyone who watched agreed that he was far better than he’d been in any season before, and the numbers pretty much all said he was much better, yet his assist rate went down. We saw him initiating the offense, but he wasn’t setting up plays for his teammates. Furthermore, I hope we’re not abandoning the idea of Wallace as nominal PF and either Thomas or Diaw seeing time at supposed C. I’m a little skeptical that Crash’s injury issues are exacerbated by being matched up against bigger players, because it strikes me that the larger issue is how under control he is when leaping.
by David A. Arnott on Sep 20, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
I think an entertaining 5 would be DJ, Hendo, Brown, Crash, &, Tyrus
by andrewlail76 on Sep 20, 2010 6:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I just can't agree w/ you there DA
Felton’s improvement was coupled by turnovers and bad choices by Jax. Jax makes the team way better for sure, but letting him dominate the ball at every turn is not the best option. What you’re suggesting is that the team essentially play w/out a pg while D.J. is in the game. It may have to be a reality, but it shouldn’t be one that we’re comfortable with.
I, for one, hope we are abandoning the idea of playing Wallace at the 4. Against certain lineups (i.e. when the other team isn’t playing a true 4) it can work, but we know Wallace isn’t going to back down from bigger players. So the risk of injury is still there. I think unfavorable match ups and playing out of control are both concerns.
or maybe playing out of control AGAINST bigger players
that may be a bit of a concern as well
I figure David means...
playing him at the 4 when the other team doesn have the true 4…
Also…We’re playing with a PG that can handle the ball, but he doesn’t have to call all of the plays…a la the “Dallas” play back with LJ and the Charlotte Hornets
by andrewlail76 on Sep 20, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we'll probably see less of Wallace at the 4...
..than we will see of Diaw at the 5.
Barring a trade to move Boris.
ugh...
“wait for it…”
those 3 words both brightened up my July and killed my August at the same time lol
--(insert quote, lyric, or joke here)
by StudMuffin15 on Sep 21, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
This wait for it is a simple one
Training Camp starts This time next week. At that point, waiting is over and we get to see and hear just what we have, which will surprise som IMO.
by andrewlail76 on Sep 21, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he will be traded as soon as LB and the staff realize how much Livingston can play. If the knee is ok, DJ will be gone within the first month of the season. If, however, Livingston’s knee is unable to hold up to the minutes and games needed to make DJ disposable, then all bets are off and he could be with us for some time. I just think LB and the boys are over trying to make him a long-term PG fixture. Just an opinion…
I hope that this is not the case
because I am not ready to give up on him yet.
IF his game is on he can score which is something that this team still needs to be able to do, and I think he still has the ability to learn off LB and become a better passer.
Crittenton
Just read he has a camp invite from the Cat’s. LB loves to bring in broken players and fix them. Sounds like a potentially great oppertunity for both sides. Lets see if he accepts…
Crittenton is one of 3 PGs the Bobcats have their eye on.
The other two are options for trades during the season and are both young, full of potential, and have been disappointments to their teams thus far. No I’m not naming names and no, to my recollection they are not among the names that have been tossed around much at RoF in the rosterbations sessions.
My sources can beat up your sources
by Ourdaywillcome on Sep 21, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks
I don’t want people calling me…and yes, my jersey will be 76
by andrewlail76 on Sep 21, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
We need to have a caption contest for this photo of DJ and Coach Brown.
I’m cracking myself up at the possibilities!
A couple of suggestions.
Sort of as a warm up for the gameday MST threads…
“It’s a hand you schmuck! Now pay attention!”
“You see that round orange looking thing over there…”
“Go ahead, pull it! It’s like a magic trick!”
My sources can beat up your sources
by Ourdaywillcome on Sep 22, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
LB is about to find out if DJ’s armpit is ticklish.
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Sep 22, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Sexual Advice
Just another service LB offers
by andrewlail76 on Sep 22, 2010 6:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hey! No fair repeats!
Unless it’s something like, “Go over to Greg Oden on the next play and find out how big it REALLY is.”
My sources can beat up your sources
by Ourdaywillcome on Sep 22, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I've made it clear I don't care for Augustin that much
I just happen to think that a point guard’s first job is to be a good passer and distributor of the ball. I know that he will never be a true point guard, and that would be fine with me if there was a better reason to keep him on the floor. But unfortunately, unless he’s really shooting lights out one night, I can’t see it. He’s an above average shooter, and a good ball handler, but I haven’t seen that he can either pass well enough or create his own shot well enough to warrant him being a starter in the NBA. Hell, I’d be happy even if he couldn’t but could play good defense. But he can’t do that either. He’s a 5-10 SG with decent passing skills.
I’ve said it plenty, but here goes one more time. Hopefully I’m wrong on this one, and he is able to be a good distributor, or otherwise finds a way to get his shots.
You have valid reasons for your opinions.
But here’s a question:
We all know that DJ is a “shoot first” guard. It’s what he’s good for and he’s on a team that is starved for offensive sparks off the bench.
What good is served by keeping Augustin on the squad when each time he takes a shot and works to get into his rhythm the coach chews him out for it and orders him to pass the rock?
I DO think he is good enough to be a starter in the NBA. But only if he can find his way to a team with a coach that doesn’t share Larry Brown’s definition of guard performance. Deej needs the shooting green light or his entire game flow gets disrupted.
My sources can beat up your sources
by Ourdaywillcome on Sep 24, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm trying of thinking of a spot where he would fit well...
Places like San Antonio, Phoenix, Houston come to mind…
by andrewlail76 on Sep 24, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I suppose...
But the fear is moving DJ leaves us with Harris, Liv(knee issues), and collins or Jarv.
I think Liv’s knee will be fine, but there is the Bobcats luck
by andrewlail76 on Sep 24, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
The Bobcats luck changed permanently about 7 months ago.
My sources can beat up your sources
by Ourdaywillcome on Sep 24, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe you're right
maybe he could be a starter at a team with a different coach. Someone who can find a place for him. I just think he has too many weaknesses. Look at Jamal Crawford. Of course they have completely different styles, but Crawford is a shoot first guard who has good size and athleticism, not too terrible defense, and he can’t find anywhere to start in the league. Nate Robinson seems like the best example because Nate is kind of a better version of DJ. He’s tiny, but finds a way to score for himself, he’s not a bad passer though he still should be considered a score first guard, and even though he can be shot over, he hassles guys enough for his defense to be called “adequate.”
I just don’t think DJ is there. If he has what it takes to get there, someone hasn’t brought out that potential yet for me. I think he could be a 6th man of the year type player off the bench, but I don’t think he could make it very far as a starter.

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