Aldridge: Bobcats were in the mix to trade for Calderon today
by David A. Arnott on Aug 11, 2010 5:52 PM EDT
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PrintNBA.com's David Aldridge reports that the Bobcats were in the heat of negotiations that would have involved them in today's four-way trade between the Nets, Raptors, Pacers, and Rockets, but things fell apart and they were left out.
A league source says the Charlotte Bobcats wanted to get involved as well, using the non-guaranteed contract of center Erick Dampier to try and get a point guard. Under one scenario, Dampier would have gone to Indiana, the team that originally drafted him in 1996, with T.J. Ford going to Toronto and the Raptors sending guard Jose Calderon to Charlotte. (The Raptors had agreed to send Calderon to the Bobcats earlier this summer in a deal that would have sent center Tyson Chandler to Toronto, but the deal was scotched at the last minute by Charlotte owner Michael Jordan.)
But in the end the four existing teams decided to move ahead with the trade. They all had their reasons...
Well, crap. We need a palate cleanser. Check out this appreciation of Shaun Livingston by Holly MacKenzie. (H/T: @jeskeets)
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that woulda been stupid
we would still have diaw AND 3 other PGs…there had to be more to it than that
So basically
We turned down the Toronto trade and did the trade with Dallas. Then we backpedaled and wanted Calderon again, which would have looked like this in total:
In: Calderon, Najera, Carroll
Out: Chandler, Ajinca
When we could have done this:
In: Calderon, Evans
Out: Chandler, Diaw
Doesn’t make our FO look great IMO. I’m hoping we’re missing some additional details here. Plus we would have ended up over the luxury tax with Calderon now when we wouldn’t have initially been over with the first deal.
by Bring Back Primoz on Aug 11, 2010 6:16 PM EDT reply actions
'endgame' in the Dallas trade was getting Paul
That has to be the way you look at it. I appreciate the fact MJ tried to gamble, sadly he lost out… but you can’t ever win if you don’t step up to the table.
I think they truly liked Calderon all along, it was just nixed by MJ in the 11th hour to try and make a big play for Paul.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
by James Dator on Aug 11, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
This is hard to believe.
It was reported that MJ nixed the first deal due to the trade clause that would have increased Calderon’s overall cost so why would that change. In any case, this does not bode well for the ‘Cats. It gives the impression that we’re scrambling and/or desperate. However, I glad it didn’t happen because Calderon is not the answer. I was relieved when we passed the first time if for no other reason than the financial commitment. Yes he’s an improvement to what we have but not that great of an improvement, certainly not worth $30mil plus.
But…at least MJ is trying to improve the team. Uggh this day sucks!
+1
The last thing we need to do is add more long term deals to this team …… unless it’s a home run deal
by Bring Back Primoz on Aug 11, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe MJ got a special copy of NBA 2k11
…and he’s playing it so much its starting to effect his judgement and he can’t tell the real world from 2k world or maybe it was all a ploy to get inside his mind and make him make stupid trades something like the movie Inception.
I'd love that
but I don’t see them giving up Perkins, unless they think he’s gone for the year and wants too much money for an extension.
I was basing it on the number of C's they have
Shaq
Perkins
Wallace
Jermaine Oneal
and they want an extra shooter…
by andrewlail76 on Aug 11, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure
I’ve head on again off again
and that he was going to Tuesday…but I didn’t see that happen yesterday…
by andrewlail76 on Aug 11, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Wallace was bought out today
He is retiring.
by JDuaneHipps on Aug 11, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
don't know how to feel about it
I’m glad to see that it seems MJ is trying to get things done to make the team better, but it also looks like he wont pull the trigger for anything less than him robbing another team blind at this point. Getting an all star for Damp was always going to be nearly impossible. But I’m sure there are fair offers out there. Otherwise, it’s teams trying lowball offers and the last week before that 60 days runs out, the phone lines will be abused.
I'm most curious about Diaw
I’m wondering if they have any standing offers for him, that either deliver us a player or perhaps a trade exception? There’s no way you deal Damp for an average player without getting salary relief via Diaw.
I just can't imagine him on the roster...
especially after picking up Najera and McGuire
unless we cut both and keep him…
by andrewlail76 on Aug 11, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not upset... I'm THRILLED
This clearly gives us confirmation that the Bobcats’ plan is not to merely cut Dampier for cap room, as seems to be the popular line of thinking.
They’re working the phones, they’re trying to make deals and I appreciate that.
Why do I get the distinct feeling either Tayshaun Prince or Rip Hamilton will be Bobcats by the time this is all said and done? Especially with the Pistons signing T-Mac
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they said they dont wanna get rid a of Tayshaun unless he wants a trade
but i dont see how Rip would work unless we wanted him to play PF and Tyrus C and i dont think that would happen
I was wondering about Tayshaun and Rip...
playing Rip at PG and Tayshaun backing up Crash…or Tyrus
Brown backing up Crash or Tyrus…
by andrewlail76 on Aug 11, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
hmmm
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2a67rfn
or
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2fgp9hm
then
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=24fzvxk
by andrewlail76 on Aug 11, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
No Thank You for any of these except maybe Diaw for Prince
The first one leaves us with NO center. Then we have to take a chance cutting Dampier then resigning him for the low. Dampier for Rip? Where will he play we already have Jax at the 2 and Hendo in the wings. If we have another deal ready to move Jax for a position of need then maybe, but we need his outside shooting.
A deal with Detroit makes no sense, they have nothing we need. Rodney Stuckey is a taller DJ. Bynum is a backup point. Greg Monroe is untouchable until they see what his skill set is. Nothing of interest here.
by JDuaneHipps on Aug 11, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Neither of these players fit our team
We need shooting and we need it badly. Rip has a nice mid range game but there won’t be many open spaces on the floor with out team, and MJ already traded him once. Where doesn’t Prince fit in? We’d still be in luxury tax and duplicating arguably our most solid position on the floor.
by JDuaneHipps on Aug 11, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't honestly tell you why it would make sense...
All I know is that two of Larry Brown’s favorite players could be had through trade, despite what Detroit are saying now. They were actively and openly shopping him during the draft and I doubt that would change.
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by James Dator on Aug 11, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not going to look for it but...
I posted a link a while back that Detroit was pursuing a Prince for Tyson trade which we had no interest in. I hope you suspiscions aren’t correct.
Neither Prince nor Hamilton fit
Our two best players (better than either of them) are at the same position. I’d rather let D.Brown and Hendo come of the bench than make Prince or Rip a 6th man.
Detroit is ass and are going to stay that way until Rips deal expires.
I am actually excited for Livingston
The guy still has a lot of skills. Sure, he’s no CP3 but I think he can be a starting pg in the NBA. He’s one of those rare pg’s who’s taller than expected for his position. He also has a great post-game and although he’s lost some athleticism, he’s still agile and athletic enough to get by.
I think finding a center capable of starting 82 games for us is a bigger need. Nazr’s good but he’s another year older and we’re playing 23 back to backs. He’s bound to get injured, leaving us with Dampier/Diop. I like Diop and respect him for his philanthropy overseas, but I’m afraid of putting him in for more than 10-12 minutes a game
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by Ben Swanson on Aug 11, 2010 11:56 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
I’m really not all that concerned with the PG situation. I’m really looking forward to seeing Livingston. Interested to see what DJ does, but I really am hoping that Livingston really gets back to playing well and takes the starting position. He’s just so versatile.
Livs is capable of playing like a starter
but is he capable of playing a starter’s minutes for 80 or even 70 games a season? That’s the question that’s been asked a thousand times. But we’re all asking for good reason.
I still say that Center by committee is a better option than pg by committe.
fabio redux
You know what, I don’t give a rat’s ass what else they do as long as they bring back Fabio. If he’s really coming back to the NBA and he goes to some other team, I’ll be VERY disappointed. Doesn’t matter if Larry plays him or not, and it doesn’t matter if he can still play or not, although it would obviously be much better for all involved if he can still contribute. They just have to bring him back because he was the coolest looking dude in the NBA (and that includes Robert Swift who’s really just more bizarre than cool anyway) and the ONLY guy in recent NBA history with hair longer than mine. Fab-i-o! Fab-i-o! Fab-i-o!!
by bugjackblue on Aug 12, 2010 2:29 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Seems to me...
that we’re either going to get Calderon, one way or another for the upcoming season…or there’s at least another move on the way for sure. We seemed to be somehow involved in every deal that’s been going down lately…or rumored to be at least. MJ and/or LB clearly aren’t happy with the PG situation and want Calderon bad.
Calderon is one of the best PGs in the league nobody talks about...
But, I’m wondering this too. Why are we so hot to get Calderon? Maybe there’s a team we plan to flip him to in 6 months?
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
by James Dator on Aug 12, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
It's probably all about the player mix in the deal...
To get Jose we can’t do it with Dampier, or else we lose our tax break. We want to trade Diaw and DJ. They probably don’t really want Diaw, but may have to accept him. They probably want Nazr as they need a 5 (plus he’s an expiring). We need to keep Nazr for the same reasons. So they keep dangling Jose, waiting to see what better offers they can get.
I’m all for getting Calderon as he’s the best option available at the 1, but we must give up Diaw in that deal to move salary out. Who knows, maybe it becomes some combo deal involving Diop (HA!).
+1
Agreed. We shouldn’t use Dampier to get Calderon but I’d be okay with DJ/Diaw for Calderon. Toronto might do it because Diaw expires earlier than Calderon. Would save them considerable money over the life of the contracts.
by Bring Back Primoz on Aug 12, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
It looks like Calderon will be a Bobcat
as it seems MJ is still pursuing him.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?STORY_ID=17064
Toronto wants to unload his contract. They also want/need a defensive C so they can move Bargnani to PF. Here’s my crazy solution:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yzb53fl
Add a 2nd rounder to sweeten the pot. Toronto and Diop might be a good fit since they need a big body in the paint to block shots and grab a few RBs. Besides, they save money in the long run especially if DJ doesn’t work out. We’d be razor thin at C but you can all but count on Damp ending up in a Bobcat uniform one way or another. I still think he gets traded and then waived but even if we waive him ourselves and save the money, we’ll still be alright provided we can sign him for cheap.
I have stated that I’m not a huge fan of Calderon becoming a Bobcat primarily because I don’t think he’s worth his expensive contract. However, if Diop or even Diaw could be dealt in the trade, then I’m all for it considering how we get to unload in the process as well. I agree that in no way should Dampier be used to obtain Calderon. We would be in luxury tax hell. MJ obviously knows this and doesn’t want to spend the extra cash. I bet they do something quick.
Interesting
I’m not sure the Raptors would take Diop though. If 3 years, 30 million for Calderon is too expensive for them, I don’t think 3 years, 21 million for Diop would be acceptable either.
Maybe this? http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=283wccl
by Bring Back Primoz on Aug 12, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone wants Augustin
It’s as simple as that and it all makes sense now. I still believe the big play was to get Paul and it failed, but I believe with all my heart that there is a team out there who really wants DJ Augustin, and I don’t think it’s Toronto.
I think someone wanted Deej when the original Calderon trade surfaced. Back when I was told the Bobcats had given up on Paul. They focused on getting Calderon and moving Augustin in a second deal until they should Paul was a possibility.
The question is ‘who wants Augustin?’ It was pretty easy… I simply searched ‘interested in DJ Augustin’ in Google and you know who one of the first teams to pop up was? Golden State. The date, 7/31/10
The blogger mentioned a Diaw and Augustin for Monta Ellis deal… but that doesn’t seem realistic or beneficial. The Warriors want to move Ellis, but I don’t see the Bobcats wanting him.
So… here’s what I think could happen:
Trade 1: – Simple, to the point and mutually beneficial.
Trade 2: – Again, mutually beneficial.
Golden State gets rid of contracts they don’t want for shorter, cheaper ones. They get depth and get a backup PG.
Charlotte gets a starting center and gets rid of a contract they don’t like.
New York gets a scorer at SG.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
Curses... links didnt work
Trade 1: http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5663577
Trade 2: http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5663581
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I wouldn't bother with the Calderon trade personally
Now if getting Calderon meant shedding Diop’s salary too then it’s a deal worth making.
I would take Beidrins. Though not sure I believe GS wants him bad enough to give Beidrins up and take on Diop’s shitty contract.. Also, NY doesn’t have to be a team added in that deal.
So would Bojangles
Eddy Curry would eat a lot of chicken and biscuits and his sponsorship would be awesome.
Eddy Curry: Eat like me and your bones will jangle under the enourmous weight of your bobdy.
Yes that is my third fat joke! Watch out Shaq, Sean May, and Eddy Curry! I’m making fat jokes!
Not a joke, but a fact
Curry just recently was issued his second warrant for arrest for sex with an underage girl. Yeah that’s the guy we want associated with our team.
Lemonade was a popular drink and it still is,
I get more props and stunts than Bruce Willis
- Guru, of Gangstarr
Eddy Curry is fail
Not sure why anybody would want him unless they’re trying to get an expiring contract at the deadline.
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