Whats your plan B?
by TS BOBCAT on Jul 28, 2010 5:07 PM EDT
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Anybody got other options
Of course i am rlly excited and rlly pumped about this CP3 talk and ik it is possible. But if we dont get CP3 i was wondering wat everyone thought the Bobcats would do then. I know alot of people think that we will go into the year like this with Liv and DJ with Nazr at center but in my opinion i cant see Larry Brown accepting that. So i wanna hear everyones ideas about any trade combination or if u think we r fine now express ur opinion and try and convice me.
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burned bridges or not
I say we go after Jose Calderon again with Diaw. Hell send Diaw and Naz for Jose and Reggie Evans like we said before. Burned bridges or not, business is business. I wouldn’t mind Rudy Fernandes. I know Dallas is after him though. I know some of you don’t care for him, but I’m absolutely fine with Andre Miller. As far as bigs? Marcus Camby. Pryzbilla. I mean if the Blazers don’t make a move on CP3, and they won’t. They are an ideal trade partner. They HAD one of the best GM’s and have had the worst luck with injuries.
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My plan B also involves the Blazers. I’ve been pushing for a Bayless/Oden deal for a while. Maybe it’s not on our radar or maybe it’s not something the Blazers would even entertain, but that is my plan B. I stongly feel that going after a center is our best move. If we can’t corral Okafor/Paul, then Bayless/Oden looks great to me. The Blazers may want to keep Oden, but they have 2 very serviceable centers in Camby and Pryzbilla. It is the last year of Odens’ rookie contract. If Oden stays healthy, we have a potential all-star. Bayless is atleast as good as D.J. as a shoot first PG. I would even take Miller, if the Blazers wouldn’t part with Bayless, for the short term. Go ahead, tell me what you hate about it…
Oden hasn't been healthy...
but his PER was very high last season and next to Howard he is possibly the best defensive center in the NBA so I doubt they trade.
My plan B is Chris Kaman and Baron Davis if they make us take BDiddy to get Kaman.
I like either of these as plan B
Its a bit of a risk with Oden (well, more that a bit of a risk), but one that could provide a massive payout.
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by amaidendevil on Jul 29, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Baron has 3 years, 42 million left
I will gladly pass on that and I’m hoping MJ will too.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Jul 28, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
So Okafor has 4 years 53 million left
I’ll hope MJ passes on that even if CP3 comes. When he potentially bolts via FA we still have Okafor here
I would take that risk to get CP3. Not for Kaman.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Jul 28, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Baron Davis is an upgrade from Raymond plus for Chris Kaman ill take him. but i still like a trade for Mo Williams and Anderson Varajao or Gilbert Arenas and JaVale McGee
I think a trade for Gilbert & JaVale would be dynomite!
Most athletic team in the Eastern Conference for sure. I would love to send them Diaw and Dampier for those two. To me it makes a lot of sense for both teams. Wizards save money try to get John Wall some help next year and to aid in his progress a point forward. They still have a nice core to retool around.
Then I think wherever our glaring need is come trade deadline we make a move with Nazr closer to then.
I honestly don't think JaVale is on the market
The Wiz may consider it to unload Arenas though, depending on what we send back. If Arenas can intergrate into the 2guard, the Wizards should have the start of something good next season.
Gilbert has the size to play the 2 and he'll help ease the strain on John Wall
by JDuaneHipps on Jul 29, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
If he's playing team ball he will
The only concern for the Wiz should be whether or not Gil is going to be willing to share the ball.
Arenas? I don’t think he has been healthy in 3 years. Furthermore, i don’t think he will ever be the player he was 4 years ago. McGee has a bright future i think. Baron is done. Kaman is a poor defensive player. Big no to the Cleveland leftovers. I would rather cut Dampier than to invest in any of thes combinations. Financial suicide. Hopefully, we have learned our lesson. If there is a superstar sent along with one of these bad contracts (Okafor/CP) it is much more acceptable. These are all bad reaches in my opinion.
I like my Portland play because the reward outways the risk. There would be no overbloated, long contracts to contend with, reguardless if the players worked out or not. Plus both players are very young , so the upside is off the charts. I don’t think the same can be said about any of those other deals.
So everybody here is always CP3 or bust. I'd rather hold serve and cut cost myself but...
Arenas hasn’t been healthy for 2 seasons and this year he was suspended he was getting his form back before that.
Kaman’s defense is underrated he’s a 20/10 guy. I don’t know why people keep saying this about him. How many Clippers games have you watched and how many times have you seen him play? On a good team this guy is one of the top Centers in the league.
well it’s most likely going to be bust. it takes too many assets to get him then in 2 years we’re in the same boat as New Orleans is.
There is no way Portland trades us Oden and Bayless without giving up Wallace just won’t happen. They aren’t pressed financially so where is their motivation in a deal with us?
its a risk
but i think if we cant get CP and then dont make a trade tht puts us back into rebuilding stagr i mean u guys have a reason and shot down every idea out there but with the team we have right now we wont make the playoffs the eastern conference has gotten to good and Charlotte cant afford to go into a rebuilding year with there fan base. ik all u guys think nobody is good enough but the problem is we dont have a choice rlly unless we go back into rebuilding process
How do people feel about a 1 year rental of T.J. Ford?
He’s way down on my list of pgs, but if we can’t work a deal w/ N.O. or the Blazers he would at least be decent for one season. The only way I would do it is if we could pry Hibbert away as well. So we get a short term risk in Ford and long term gain in Hibbert. Not sure Indy would go for it, but it is a plan B worth thinking about.
yea that's the word
but it doesn’t mean Hibbert is necessarily off the table. He’d be difficult to get though.
If they find a buyer for Dunleavy, I'll be shocked
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by Bring Back Primoz on Jul 29, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Another nice Plan B
Ford on a rental and Hibbert. Like the Oden / Bayless or Oden / Miller hopefully we can pull something that involves strengthening PG and C positions.
Please no TJ ford
Livingston’s better in my opinion
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by WhatAboutBob_cats on Jul 29, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Yea when he's on the court, Livs is better
But Ford at worst is an expiring contract. Hibbert is the real value here.
I do not want Ford..
He’s been horrible and Pacer’s fans would be thrilled to see him go. If we take Ford off their hands I would have to have Hibbert as well (although he’s another project and I doubt they trade him). If I could deal Diaw for Ford and Hibbert that’s great but I doubt that happens.
Agreed....
I don’t really want Ford either plus Dunleavy’s contract sucks….he gets $10.5 mil next season so it’s going to be tough for IND to move him.
I think MJ just needs to keep his eyes on the prize and do whatever it takes to land CP3. It’s the only way we’ll compete in the East. Just making the playoffs as a 7 or 8 seed isn’t enough.
Dunlevy isn't part of the deal
Ford is only valuable because he’s an expiring contract who’ll probably be better than D.J.
Hibbert is the only reason I mentioned the deal. But I do acknowledge that it’d be hard to get Indy to go for it.
I know...
I was only mentioning it b/c I don’t think IND is going to move one without the other. It looks like they’re trying to package Ford and Dunleavy together.
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by WhatAboutBob_cats on Jul 29, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
No Plan B
anything short of a massive teaming up of Melo and CP3 or some other mega deal is a waste of time.
If we cant compete with Miami/Orlando/LA, then screw taking on a bunch of salary.
I say stick with DJ/Liv at point, find a center deal or cut and resign Damp for cheaper.
Save our money. and see what we actually have in Henderson, Brown and DJ. I think we can get equal production from those guys for cheap rather than spending a billion dollars on BDiddy and still not make the playoffs. I mean if you have zero shot at competing with the big teams, why spend all that money. Just try and get better through youth and draft wisely.
what?
so ur saying if we vant get CP we need to go into a rebuilding? plus all of the plans people have mentioned will make the team better and possibly make the playoffs eve Baron Davis can help us or Arenas, Mo williams, the portland trade or anything is good enough to me
It just doesnt make any sense
For a franchise as young as we are, to keep buying up these stupid long contracts, just to make the playoffs and bounce out.
Baron Davis, arenas, Mo Williams especially are not gonna take us to the promise land. Why wrap a bunch of money up in them just to get a little better.
If you cannot make the big moves to become an instant contender, then the next best recourse is to spend WAY more wisely.
Mo Williams may give us 3 extra wins over last year. but we cant compete with our division with him, much less the whole NBA. It just doesnt make sense. Better to just stick with the youth players we have and either wait for them to develop or something bigger to come along.
Mo Williams, Bdiddy, Arenas… all not worth the money you have to pay to get them. No one is gonna bust their ass to get to the arena to see that team. So you’re stuck doing what we’ve done every year. Overpaying midlevel talent to at best, get beat in the playoffs.
If you arent gaining ticket sales, if you arent competing for championships and you arent even developing youth, then what the hell are you doing? Wasting money.
why would we want to go into a rebuilding year after we had a franchise best year
that doesnt make since
Who in their right mind
would want to make the playoffs, if you have no chance in hell of winning. Thats what doesnt make sense.
Thats the blueprint of the 80-90s Cleveland Cavafreakinliers. No lottery, so you have no shot at getting better through draft. No exceptional talent so you have no shot at winning a championship. So you sit in purgatory year after year, spending money and losing it at the arena. Its a waste of time and money.
You’re calling it a rebuilding, but its more of a budget thing. We still have the team we have now, (which in my opinion can do whatever a team with any of those other FA PGs can do) so you have Crash, Jax and TT. You are gonna compete for wins and a playoff spot, but still be saving money to be able to buy a free agent or maneuver when the opportunity comes up.
You are suggesting we spend 17 mil (in the case of Arenas) for a questionable point guard who isnt a game changer anymore. Thats crazy talk to me. You say it makes us better, but i just think it makes us poorer.
Who knows Arenas is no longer a game changer?
by JDuaneHipps on Jul 29, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
17 million dollars
17 million a year. Nothing he could do short of scoring 40 a game and a championship excuses that salary… especially with his personality and legal troubles. Its just not worth it.
Arenas is an absolute NO for me.
And who is averaging 40 points a game?
We are talking about plan B’s here. Everybody shoots down everything so lets just go with the team as stat quo.
Nobody wants to take the trash along with the treasure. Nobody wants anything but CP3 and Emeka (who the fans wanted gone before, but now welcome him back)
by JDuaneHipps on Jul 29, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
who doesnt want the playoffs
how can u sit there and say u dont want the playoffs thts crazy and it would bring fans in. wat u do is u make the team better every year lil by lil if thts wat it takes not suck then wait for a superstar then when u dont get him just say oh well and suck some mre. if the bobcats can get CP thts amazing but its stupid to not wana make the playoffs because u THINK we wont contend if we dont get a superstar. ik it has rarley happened to win the championship with no superstars but it is possible so honestly u dont know if we wouldnt contend and dont say u do and everyone knows all of these ideas are upgrades for PG and C last year
I want the playoffs!
thats the point, I think we can make the playoffs with this team currently if we add some semblance of a Center.
But adding a really expensive point guard isnt gonna help us contend for the ship.
Its gonna get us to the playoffs and get us bounced early just like last year. Who wants that? Spend all that money and get the same crap result you get from not spending money.
Arenas isnt the only PG
there are other PG’s up for trade this year u make it sound like if we dont get CP we shouldnt try and make the team better. maybe im misunderstanding u tho
no misunderstanding
Its just a value game. getting better is relative.
I am all for a plan B, if it puts the Bobcats into a better state and doesnt strap us completely for cash.
I just dont think there are many deals out there that make us contenders, and think its best if we cant contend to right the ship financially and be around for the next round of activity.
There are people who don't want Kaman as Plan B
that to me is absurd. No matter what not everybody is going to be happy. I think we make the playoffs with the team we have but barely and probably won’t win a game in the playoffs for the 2nd year running.
by JDuaneHipps on Jul 29, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
i like Kaman
but Mustachio like say u didnt think this team as it is is good enough who would u go after for PG
I personally want to give DJ a shot the first 1/4 of the season
I’m not terribly upset if we cut Dampier then resign him for the MLE or somewhere close for 2 years.
by JDuaneHipps on Jul 29, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed
I think we can make the playoffs as is. Thats the talent level we are at. advancing any further is the question.
Adding Kaman is different. a young big man, is a whole lot different than an aging “name” player like Bdiddy or Arenas. To get Kaman you probably have to take Baron. Id be ok with that, but I still dont think it makes us great, and it probably hamstrings us for making any further moves.
My main point is that I just want us to have some flexibility to get better, if we cant get great right now.
Just playing devil's advocate
I personally want out team to only make minor changes. We haven’t really seen what we have yet. I can say this I’m not sold Hendo is going to be anything more than a bench player but I would like us to give him a chance and see if he is our 2 of the future. Jax isn’t getting any younger.
I’m not even that teased by the rumored CP3 deal. I was however teased by the Beasley deal and Diaw for the TPE. Those two deals were major we wouldn’t have had to overpay TT and Diaw would be gone. I can’t tell people on here how pretty we would be sitting if those two deals went down.
by JDuaneHipps on Jul 29, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Negative
Varajao isn’t a true Center and Mo Williams isn’t a true point.
I at least want any trade we make to get one player at either position playing at his natural spot. Mo Williams is a rich man’s DJ, and Varajao is a similar type to GDub he’s going to get hustle points during the course of the game with us already having our “motor” he’s not going to get a lot of points.
If any trade is made I want a pass first PG or an offensively gifted Center. Iono why people are so worried about defense. Our defense could regress a little and still be top 10. You have 2 exceptional wing defenders and an exceptional weak side defender.
by JDuaneHipps on Jul 29, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Their contracts are quite ridiculous
especially for above average starters at best. My main this is Varajao isn’t a starting Center. He’s yet another 4
by JDuaneHipps on Jul 29, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
i think there both good
but im not very good at figuring out the money side of things but Varajao did good at C coming off the bench for Shaq and so he had to come out alot haha but ik Mo would be worth it he averaged 14 ppg but the year b4 tht he avg. like 17 i think but ik he is an upgrade from Raymond
He's a volume scorer though
Jax has to get his shots so I don’t think they would mesh.
Coming off the bench and playing center and starting are 2 very different things. There aren’t a plethora of legit Centers in the league anymore so there aren’t too many on teams benches. We had half of the “bench centers” on our team last year.
by JDuaneHipps on Jul 29, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
i agree
i think this is a plan for if no other plan goes down but i still like the Arenas and McGee or BDavis and Kaman but will either team let Kaman or McGee go?
Doubtful
As someone stated earlier the more time that passes the less likely anything happens. Only way I can see us making a trade is for CP3 or if we have a backup plan once any potential deal with NO becomes dead.
I don't know how any of it will work...
but I’d rather not get a PG that is a 2 stuck in a 1s body we have that in DJ (even though I think he can be a decent PG for our team) The money owed to them would outweigh the idea of making our team marginally better. I think that’s everybody’s worst nightmare on here is handcuffing our team the next few years when we’re seeing the light from the darkness of all these horrible contracts only to get marginally better and be stuck in mediocrity.
Cutting Dampier isn't the worst thing that could happen
But how do we rebuild? It’s hard to do anything when you have the number of long term crappy contracts that we have. MJ is stuck between a rock and a hard place. I think he’s forced to make some moves. But he should not be taking on anymore long crappy contracts to do so.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Jul 29, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Carrol and Diop are really the only bad contracts on the books at this point.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jul 29, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't disagree
My point is that Carroll, Diop, and Diaw are enough. That’s 20 million a year. We can’t take any more long term crappy contracts (like Arenas or Baron). We’re already near the luxury tax so we can’t afford to get nailed down and lose options/flexibility.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Jul 29, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Pro teams exist for only 2 reasons.
Reason one is to generate money and the cachet of prestige that comes with being among the elite few pro owners.
A VERY distant second is winning a championship. Only 1 team in each league per season wins the big prize. That leaves over 2 dozen other teams in the league empty-handed. In the NBA the odds are even longer for teams that aren’t the Lakers or Celtics.
Every owner claims to be working toward a championship. The reality is though, that every owner is working very hard to convince enough fans that a championship is possible that the arena stays full and the money keeps coming in.
It’s nice to believe otherwise, and having a competitve and hungry man like Michael Jordan in the front office makes it easier to buy into the fantasy, but I can promise you that Jordan bought the team to make money and earn the ego props that comes along with turning a worthless second-tier market team into a profit-making threat. Especially when it’s a team that was written completely off by every single sportswriter and expert covering the sport.
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by Ourdaywillcome on Jul 29, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Missing the playoffs wouldn't be half bad either but I hate it for GDub and Jax
…maybe the balls would finally bounce our way ::cough cough Stern cough cough::
by JDuaneHipps on Jul 29, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Plan B is fading fast...
As I’ve said, the longer this plays out, the less options we have. I’ve speculated and placed trade ideas out there, as all of you have. Fact is, most teams are settling in to the rosters they have and are not looking to make any more deals till after they see the product on the court for a 1/4 of the season or more. Even if you lay something out there that is marginally interesting to the team, they often will pass unless it knocks their socks off. As one NBA columnist recently wrote, “..all the big deals and signings are done for a good while”. I think he’s probably right. If we couldn’t move Diaw during the feeding frenzy of trades he’s not likely going anywhere. Odds are we dump Damp, sign one more mediocre center and ride the sad pony we’ve got until some other option emerges close to the trade deadline.
and as sad as that is
thats the best option outside of a mega blockbuster trade. recoup some money, and prepare for the next opportunity.
Who cares about Hollinger thinks it makes us worse. Just thinking outside the box
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2ff269y
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3xqgv5y
They have Jason Thompson listed as a center and don’t know if he can man the position. I haven’t seen a Kings game since Bibby was there and they were relevant.
I doubt we can get this done though as they don’t seemed pressed for cash anytime soon as nobody will come play there anyways.
How about this....
A 3 way trade between Charlotte, New Orleans, and Indiana
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=27uund9
Then another trade like this to save money and to get rid of Diop….
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2g4vyza
This well help New York save money by waiving Dampier. Also We could trade Curry mid-season. LB will get him in shape lol. Then sign Louis Amundson. LOL then around Sept 13 or later
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=29qvd4t
Also Sacramento would send cash considerations and a future 2nd rd pick.
Here would be the lineup!
C: Emeka Okafor, Roy Hibbert, Eddy Curry
PF: Tyrus Thomas, Louis Amundson,
SF: Gerald Wallace, James Posey, Wilson Chandler
SG: Stephen Jackson, Fransisco Garcia
PG: Chris Paul, Shaun Livingston, Sherron Collins
Except all of these trades fail ...... :)
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by Bring Back Primoz on Jul 29, 2010 7:24 PM EDT reply actions
If you use your brain....
you’ll see that after we trade with new orleans we get rid of diop and dampier for curry and chandler then we get rid of carroll, najera, and brown just for garcia. I think that will put us under the luxury tax.
by Zack Bowring on Jul 29, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't have to use my brain. Trade Machine tells you these trades are BS
These trades would not be allowed under NBA guidelines. The first trade has us bringing on 34.6 million and only ditching 20.4 million. That is not allowed.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Jul 29, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
And
The second trade fails because Dampier cannot be traded with another player. And on top of that, New York would not even consider dumping Curry’s expiring contract for 3 more years of Diop.
Just don’t get the point ……….. although we do need to figure out how to squeeze under the luxury tax unless we land one of the big guns.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Jul 29, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Even if any of these trades were allowed by the CBA...
Dampier + Diop = $19.8 million
Curry + Chandler = $13.7 million
Okay, so New York cut Dampier (though I’m not really sure why then want to cut money when they have the 3rd lowest team salary in the NBA) then it’s $6.4 million vs. $13.7 million.
But look what happens in year two:
Curry expires, Diop doesn’t
Charlotte gets a 15 and 5 player at $3.1 million
New York get one of the worst contracts in the NBA at $6.9 million and have 2 more years of it after that.
I’m all for advocating the use of the trade machine, but the deals have to make some form of sense for the other team. Also, it should be used to check and make sure your work is right, not link failed trades saying they’re possible.
This trade passes the CBA (Unlike yours) but anyone who looks at it knows how ridiculous it is:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3999og4
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by James The Aussie on Jul 29, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
+100,000
Thankfully I’m not the only one who thought that was ridiculous. And I enjoyed being called a moron for it …. :)
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by Bring Back Primoz on Jul 30, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Me too
Sometimes the TradeMachine links just hang forever. But I can only imagine how ridiculous it was. Durant for Diop? I’m anxious with anticipation.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Jul 30, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh it was totally dumb
Charlotte get: Brook Lopez, Derrick Rose, Joakim Noah, Devin Harris, DaJuan Blair and George Hill
Chicago gets: Nazr
New Jersey gets: Boris Diaw
San Antonio gets: Gerald Henderson
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by James The Aussie on Jul 30, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Possible trade which I don't like all that much would make sense for all teams
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2dxcq9c
I am not saying that we should go out and do it today, we might be able to get something better for Diaw and I for one want to wait and see what happens with DJ and Shaun, but it is an option to add some more depth at pg and there is no long term hit.
Indiana gets the point guard they want (granted, probably for more years and at more cost than they want), and Toronto gets rid of 9 mil tied up in a backup pg (since they are going with Jack) and get a versatile players who can play a couple of different positions as well, and at a shorter term than Jose’s deal.
Agreed... that is a good trade.
Only kicker is Mike Dunleavy. Indiana want to package him with TJ Ford in any trade.
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by James The Aussie on Jul 30, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Trade isn't that bad
The only thing I’ve heard is that Indiana is comfortable standing pat and letting Ford, Dunleavy, Foster, Tinsley, and Murphy expire. They will have loads of money next summer and they desperately want to just start over.
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by Bring Back Primoz on Jul 30, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
That would probably make the most sense for Indiana
Get a ton of cap room (possibly → depending on new salary cap), and try and get anther high draft pick this year and some more young talent, and then they can decide if they want to full rebuild or find some free agents (which would be hard as Indiana wouldn’t be that high on the radar for top line free agents).
Really?
You know there is currently a warrant for his arrest…right?
by andrewlail76 on Jul 30, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
And you do know he's a fat lard-o...right?
I understand that expiring contracts are cool and all but still
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by WhatAboutBob_cats on Jul 31, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
if we leave the PG's like this
does anybody have a clue who we are looking at for C or are we just using Nazr?
Dump Dampier then re-sign him becomes the 5 option
It’s a sad starting lineup of DJ, Jax, Crash, T2 and Damp. I will puke if that’s what takes the court opening night.
Would this settle your stomach?
I hear Fernandez is on the block now…
by andrewlail76 on Jul 30, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
im tearing up right now...
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by StudMuffin15 on Jul 31, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
how does Damps contract work exactly
i was wondering if we could ever trade Dampier with another player at some point
Yes...up until 60 days we can just trade him for another player(s)
after that, we can trade him or dump him and the salary
if we trade him, they can dump him too
by andrewlail76 on Aug 2, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought that it was, after the 60 days the money is guenteed so we have to cut/trade him befor the 60 days, and also i would really like to know when this 60 days is up? Anyone know the date?
I win as if im used to it, and i loose as if i like it for a change.
Ay there's the rub
Either we waive the sucker or the money becomes guaranteed and we’re allowed to trade him as an expiring contract. And to answer TS BOBCAT, it won’t be as valuable. An expiring contract of that size will still be valuable to teams that need to get rid of players with big contracts but not as much to teams who want to ensure that they’ll be under the cap asap. Well at least that’s what I get out of this
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by WhatAboutBob_cats on Aug 2, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
someone please correct me if i am wrong...
I was under the assumption Dampiers contract is not guaranteed however it goes into affect on sept. 13th, so we either have to trade him by then, or void the contract as he is not worth his contract.
To trade what looks to be a healthy (i know, shocking) Tyson Chandler for Damp. to only resign him for less would rank up their on MJs all time bone headed moves, similar to Kwame Brown in the ridicule it would bring.
I like Livingston but that cant be the only thing we do in a division where everyone has gotten better.
You cant trust Dampier to resign here either… once his contract is voided he can sign anywhere… he said he would hear CLT’s offer first… but to play here vs playing for Miami or somewhere comparable (considering salary is the same) there is no way he stays put. its a gamble. Should it get to that I would be disappointed that the summer we had such high hopes for ended with my fingers crossed hoping to resign Dampier… god that thought disgusts me.
by Supenusenfone on Aug 4, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
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