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Michael Jordan speaks out about LeBron

I suppose it's on the awesome side of the spectrum when our team's owner is in the news more than any of the players, and he's there specifically so that the writer -- or he, himself -- can point out how awesome he was, is, and always will be.

"There's no way, with hindsight, I would've ever called up Larry, called up Magic and said, 'Hey, look, let's get together and play on one team,''' Jordan said...

Star-divide

From everything we know about him, he's probably speaking his truth right now, but it's just a little unfair to say he wouldn't have done something similar, given the same opportunity. First of all, Magic and Larry were well past their primes by the time Jordan won his first title. Second, MJ's six titles all came with a top-five player as his sidekick in Scottie Pippen, and the last three featured a should-be Hall of Famer in Dennis Rodman, so, for all his greatness, he never won a championship alone the way LeBron James was asked to do in Cleveland.

The implication is that Jordan wanted to beat the best, not just be the best, but I strongly suspect that if he could have gotten someone like Hakeem or Ewing or Robinson to join him and Scottie, he absolutely would have pushed for it. This is the same man who cheated at cards when playing with a UNC teammate's mother. If anything, it sounds to me like he would have stacked the deck in his own favor if given the chance and would have tried to go undefeated.

Don't get me wrong, I love that our team's owner has that mentality, but it comes off as kind of petty to speak ill of James's decision so bluntly, especially when he played a role in making it happen.

Riley really put the plan into action last November. During a Cavs visit to Miami, Riley arranged a get together with Michael Jordan and James. Jordan, who was in town to do some Nike work with Wade, at the time did not own a majority of the Bobcats.

During the meeting, Riley talked to James about how more modern players should pay homage to Jordan. Riley always had led this effort, retiring Jordan's No. 23 in the rafters at AmericanAirlines Arena even though Jordan never played in Miami.

The Cavs knew about it, and while it seemed like it could be classic tampering, they decided not to make an issue of it -- mostly because the meeting technically wasn't about free agency.

[snip]

It was controversial and got headlines. Riley probably didn't care so much about the statement but how his conversation obviously influenced James. It likely gave Riley confidence that he could win James over by playing to his emotions when it came time for free agency. Riley became more dedicated than ever before to trying his grand plan of getting all three stars to South Florida, with poaching James being the grand prize.

UPDATE: Kelly Dwyer also posted on this topic today, at BDL.

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Just curious

anybody else find it funny that jordan was saying how he woulda never did what lebron did by trying to team up with other superstars…blah blah blah, yet cp3 made the same announcement at melo’s wedding for them to team up and all the sudden we are in trade talks to make that happen??

im not saying its a bad thing…id love to have cp3 and melo…i just thought jordan was quick to say sumthin like that when he was trying to assemble another version of the whole miami deal

again, i know being an owner is WAY different then being a player

by weezy21 on Jul 19, 2010 12:37 PM EDT reply actions  

It's different

It isn’t like we have Gerald Wallace going to another team to win one.
Jordan doesn’t have a superstar here. I love our guys, but we do not have the centerpiece.
Jordan wants to bring in some REAL superstar guys and have something to build around.
We have a weak starting 5, and a weak bench. He’s starting from scratch in a sense. Gerald, Jax, and Tyrus are nice to build around, but when you’re missing a PG and a Center…those are 2 key elements that a team needs. We have nothing more than bench guys for either position and they aren’t strong bench guys.
I like Livingston and his game, but the no brainer question that has to be asked is…how’s the knee…
I like DJ, but the question is…do you step up in year 3? It is do or die for him.

At Center…seriously…Nazr…decent off of the bench…Dampier…salary dump…Diop…nothing there…

So for me…Jordan’s trying to get some feet under this team…
LeBron all but picked his team…CP3 and Carmelo…they’re being traded…brought together by management, not purely by choice.

by andrewlail76 on Jul 19, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

GW is a superstar and JAX is close

but it wouldn’t hurt to have one more. Bobcats aren’t weak. We are still a playoff team

by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Jul 19, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

GW is an AllStar

But not even 1st team. He’s still far from Superstar.

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by southtunnel on Jul 21, 2010 12:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Reality Check

Thanks southtunnel
both guys are all star caliber…superstar…nah

by andrewlail76 on Jul 21, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

He said that he, Magic, and Bird never would have or could have done it.

He also said that such a thing is possible today and the Miami Thrice trio proved it. Is Jordan being a hypocrite to attempt to take advantage of any situation – however it may reflect upon the players in volved – if it will bring success to his business venture? The fact is that there isn’t an owner in any professional sport that would refrain from taking the same actions if given the chance that Miami had. Michael Jordan didn’t do it by doing what NJ, Washington, Miami, NY, CHicago (the list is long, no?) did. He didn’t have $$$ freed up in preparation for a move. What he’s attempting he’s doing with his back up against the salary wall and it’s all the more impressive because of it. It may fail. But I don’t blame him in the slightest for doing it. It doesn’t make him a hero or a goat. It doesn’t make him scum or president of the moral high ground either. It makes him a shrewd businessman that hates losing and will do anything legal to avoid it.

Of course that’s just my opinion – and I’m not wrong. (Brazenly stolen from Dennis Miller)

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by Ourdaywillcome on Jul 19, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Teams that stripped all their payroll and hoped for draft picks to rebuild took a gamble

It doesn’t look like it’s going to work our for NJ & NY. LAC and others had similar fates.

If our build through trades system doesn’t work out, at least we still have decent team and didn’t have to endure a collapse of a season. I’m expecting that our way will work.

by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Jul 19, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

My take...

I think Jordan was right on when he said he would never have done that and I really do not think he would have. He is WAY to competitive to do something like that.

HOWEVER

I think his hand is being forced right now because LeDouche has gone to Miami with Wade and Bosh. If teams dont do something similar, how are we expected to compete? One team with 2 of the current top 5 players in the league and another in the top 10?? C’mon… what are other teams supposed to do?

by AnotherRealm on Jul 20, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

There are Melo-to-Charlotte rumours...?

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by Tempestuous Binary on Jul 20, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know why I like this more than anything?

Its shows me that the same competitive fervour that Jordan exhibited as a player is being carried over into the front office.

There is too much evidence to show that Jordan was well aware of the formation of the Miami trio last season, and yet he comes out and says this anyway. Jordan is putting the NBA on notice by saying:

a) The Bobcats aren’t going to lay down for anyone
b) LeBron James is never going to be Michael Jordan, because I did it with anyone the Bulls gave me… he can’t.
c) If you subscribe to the Kevin Durant model (questioning why everyone wants to play in Miami or LA) then come to Charlotte, play for me and you’ll get more than enough shots at the Heat to prove your worth.

Jordan is filling his role perfectly right now as the foil to Miami’s plans. He’s getting the Bobcats’ name in the media, and in this case being an antagonist is the popular choice; most NBA fans detest the Heat now and want them to fail. It’s amazing just how many fans are adopting the Bobcats as their ‘second team’ due to MJ and the team’s attitude.

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by James Dator on Jul 19, 2010 1:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Love it!

There is no greater basketball player than MJ; not Kobe, not Wilt (although he was really good), not even Russell (maybe 2nd or 3rd). Jordan had (and has) a mentality that grabs the game around the throat and shakes it to the core, all while looking good doing it. MJ epitomized the best of the game, rising up in so many key moments, hitting big shots, making big plays, even as everyone threw the kitchen sink at him, trying to stop him. Jordan took everything we ever thought could be done with a basketball in a game, and would find a new incredible way to top it! That’s the attitude of the ALPHA DOG COMPETITOR. Now I see it as our owner, and it gives me hope of this franchise truly taking on the world. I have no doubt MJ can sell his vision to his guys (CP3 and Melo), and you have to wonder if he’s already done this during their Jordan Brand “business” discussions. Either way, he’s not going to be part of some cartoon coronation. Let’s see just how tough “pretty boy” Bosh can be in a dogfight!

by Bassnote on Jul 19, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm in total agreement!

It’s very obvious that the greatest player of all time has taken his “alpha-dog” mentality and extreme competitiveness to the front office of our beloved Bobcats franchise and I am SUPER excited to see where he takes this franchise, and we all know that MJ is always disappointed with anything less than championships! It also sounds like he is VERY engaged in the team and with all these trade rumors (that can still very much happen) around, it sounds like we won’t be waiting long before he assembles a top tier team!

I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed. - Michael Jordan

by Cody Ledford on Jul 19, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jordan and Brown

Agreed. Jordan HATES to lose at anything. Basketball, cards, golf, you name it. Considering he and LB have the keys to the car, it will be a very interesting ride. They will stop at nothing to win.

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by Bring Back Primoz on Jul 19, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Michael's biggest problem will be cash.

He is a wealthy man, but not like the Nets or Magic owners that are worth $4-6 billion. He will have to be more creative and make many little steps to get to the ultimate goal. I would love to see the Bobcats with a new name and a highly competitive team, although the Magic are still my first team.

As for the LeBron comments, I, like Mike, do not understand why these guys don’t want to beat each other and try to prove that they are the best. LeBron should change his name to Scottie, because he is now Wade’s sidekick.

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by NC Magic Fan on Jul 19, 2010 3:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Pippen a top-five player? Hardly

MJ made Pippen.

IF Pippen looked like a top-five player (and that is a questionable if), it was only because he was playing next to arguably the greatest competitor to ever play NBA basketball.

Pippen and Rodman were above average NBA players, and had above average NBA careers. But how much of their on court success was due to playing beside MJ?

Pippen is definitely not Dwayne Wade – not even close. A better contemporary comparison would be Stephen Jackson, actually.

by dudemanhey on Jul 19, 2010 3:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe. Maybe not.

Jax is a good one on one defender, but a great defensive team mate. He and Wallace are really fun to watch if you pay attention to help-side D.

Pippen was a better rebounder than Jax.

by dudemanhey on Jul 19, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

umm

i’m pretty sure 8X defensive first team and 2x second team proves that pippen is a superior defender than jax

jax is often overlooked by his peers as a top defender in the league, let alone a top defender of all time as pippen is in the convo with

by adamcawa on Jul 19, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

MJ made everyone around him better, maybe he shouldn’t have said Magic or Bird but maybe Barkley and Malone, but I still get his point. He didn’t bail on his team the way Lebron is doing. The Bulls were an unknown team not winning a whole lot until MJ came aboard. That’s why I respect him so much more than these musical chair team guys nowadays.

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by D.W.G. on Jul 19, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm sorry

but Pippen was an outstanding player even without Jordan, evidenced by the fact that after Jordan left, he made three straight All-NBA first teams

Michael Jordan has said a lot of things in all of his regal airness and arrogance, but he has never once even hinted that he “made Pippen”. The only thing that Michael made for Pippen was instilling in him Michael’s unmatched work ethic.

by adamcawa on Jul 19, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not quite

Yes, Pippen was good. But not a top five NBA player. And MJ did make his career. After MJ retired Pip was running on reputation mostly.

 Without MJ, Pippen is no better than Detlef Schrempf. And he isn’t Wade or Bosh. More like Jax or Schrempf.

Career PER 36:
Pippen: 16.4 pts 6.6 rebs 5.4 assists, 2.0 stls, 0.8 blks, 2.9 tov, .473 fg%, .326 3p% .704 ft%
Jackson: 17.9 pts 4.4 rebs 3.5 assists 1.5 stls, 0.4 blks 2.8 tov .420 fg% .339 3p% .797 ft%
Wade: 24.9 pts, 4.7 rebs, 6.7 assists, 1.9 stls, 0.9 blks, 3.6 tov, .482 fg%, .279 3p%. 770 ft%
Bosh: 19.7 pts 9.1 rebs 2.1 assists, 0.8 stls 1.1 blks, 2.2 tov .492 fg% .296 3p% .796 ft%
Schrempf: 16.9 pts 7.5 rebs 4.1 assists, 0.9 stls .3 blks 2.2 tovs .491 fg% .384 3p% .803 ft%

Perhaps you (and David) are romanticizing Pippen based on childhood adoration?

by dudemanhey on Jul 19, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not really fair

Pippen’s biggest mistake was not knowing when to hang it up.

From the day he came back after Jordan retired in Portland at age 34 Pippen declined in every way. I don’t think anyone remembers (nor do they want to) the four seasons in Portland or his final sad year in Chicago, so doing a ‘career per 36’ is really unfair to his legacy.

In fact, Pippen’s 94-95 season when MJ only played 17 games was statistically one of the best years of his career.

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by James Dator on Jul 19, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you take each of those 5 players best single season stats,

Pippen still compares more closely to Schrempf and Jax not Wade or Bosh.

by dudemanhey on Jul 19, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

#'s?

cuz based on the numbers i see, wade has pippen in PPG and APG and that’s pretty much it, and Pippen still managed to average 5.2 assists per game for his career, which is fantastic for a forward

i’m not sure you can find any player who averaged at least 15 points .450 FG%, .700 FT%, 6 boards, 5 assists and 2 steals for a career

not even oscar robertson did that

by adamcawa on Jul 19, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lets see how Bosh and Wade perform for the next 10 years before we determine who’s better after 7.

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by James Dator on Jul 19, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not denying Pippen was a good NBA player.

But a top five NBA player? I don’t think so.

And he absolutely did ride MJ’s coat tails. I’m not sure how anyone could deny that much.

by dudemanhey on Jul 19, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember the Portland days. I recall Pippen was a big part of a team that took the Champion Lakers to a game 7 (double Ot i believe). I dont think people remember a whole lot about PiP by the sound of this Board.

by Bcat2.0 on Jul 19, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

As the saying goes...

“I was there and I saw it all.”

Pippen’s presence on the court is what allowed Jordan to post those amazing numbers. During that time Jordan’s “greatest of all time” status was in serious question because of the presence of players like Magic and Bird and Pippen’s name was often mentioned in the same breath with those legends. More than once Jordan said that the only reason people forget about the value of Scottie Pippen is because offense makes the highlight reels even though defense is much more important.

Jordan got the glory, but Pippen was largely responsible for making it happen. Pippen’s number doesn’t hang from the rafters for “coat tail riding.” It’s up there because he made the NBA All Defensive Team 8 times while defending against some of the all time beasts to ever play the game. He was in the playoffs 16 seasons in a row and is still the only man to have won a championship ring and an Olympic gold medal in the same year.
They don’t put people in the Hall of Fame or list them among the greatest 50 players in the history of the sport because they just happen to be on the same team as Michael Jordan.

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by Ourdaywillcome on Jul 19, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, remember the 80's and 90's?! Me too!
They don’t put people in the Hall of Fame or list them among the greatest 50 players in the history of the sport because they just happen to be on the same team as Michael Jordan.

I think, in part, they do.

I see it in the opposite view. Instead of “Pippen’s presence” allowing MJ to do his greatness, i see it more like MJ’s greatness allowed good players like Scottie Pippen to look great.

And as far as “Jordan got the glory” — Pippen got his share too. Dream Team 1 and 2, all of the media and player accolades, the rings, big money, endorsements. But in my view, the vast majority of those accolades would never have happened if he hadn’t been playing beside MJ. Pippen’s number hangs in the rafter’s because he played on 6 world Champion teams. All of which involved MJ.

Do you all really believe that if Pippen had never played next to Jordan his name would be mentioned with the greats?

 I’m not saying Pip wasn’t a great basketball player, i just don’t think it’s realistic to believe his NBA career would have been ANY thing like it was if not for Jordan (who won his share of defensive accolades too).

by dudemanhey on Jul 19, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's just look at Scottie's personal resume and decide his greatness, shall we?

Personal records
1990-91 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
1991-92 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
1991-92 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
1992-93 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
1992-93 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
1993-94 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
1993-94 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1994-95 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
1994-95 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1995-96 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
1995-96 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1996-97 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
1996-97 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
1997-98 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
1997-98 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
1998-99 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
1999-00 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)

All-Star appearances
1990 NBA
1992 NBA
1993 NBA
1994 NBA
1995 NBA
1996 NBA
1997 NBA

League leading
94-95 1st in Steals
94-95 1st in Defensive rating

Personal rankings- NBA history
36th in Field Goals
18th in Minutes played
63rd in 3 Pointers made
38th in Defensive Rebounds
26th in Assists
13th in Steals per game
39 Career votes for MVP

I don’t know how from that resume he isn’t considered a top 50 player

FUN SCOTTIE PIPPEN FACT: The first time Pippen was traded was on Nov. 12th when he was traded to the Sonics from the Knicks for Gerald Henderson Sr. and a 1st round pick

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by James Dator on Jul 19, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks James

even if MJ “made” Pippen, you cant ignore this tremendous resume. you dont see anybody else doing this and winning championships at the same time.

now that LeBron is in Miami, im betting on the fact that his stats drop like a rock. he will never be as good as Kobe or MJ in my opinion, and i honestly think that by 2020, Kevin Durant will be a better player than him.

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by StudMuffin15 on Jul 20, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

im an avid KD fan

mostly because, i too, cant bench-press to save my life.

he gives me hope as “the scrawny kid”

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by StudMuffin15 on Jul 20, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Durant

Was the reason i won my fantasy basketball league last year.

I’d be trailing all day, then Durant would play a late night game on the west coast and i’d comeback and win. He was good for 25 plus a night, plus good %’s, and 3ps.

by dudemanhey on Jul 20, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

There were 12 other players on the team with Pippen and Jordan

There are 4 retired jersey numbers hanging in the Chicago rafters. (Jordan, Pippen, Jerry Sloan, and Bob Love)

Were are the other dozens of jerseys of the players that filled those 12 slots on the squad over the years?

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by Ourdaywillcome on Jul 20, 2010 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Which Bulls players played on all 6 championship teams?

Were there any other players besides Pippen and MJ that played on ALL 6 championship teams?

by dudemanhey on Jul 20, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Doesn't that prove the point?

How many did MJ win without Pippen?

It would seem that both Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen were integral to the Bulls success over the years.

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by James Dator on Jul 20, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree...

with you in that they both were integral to the Bulls success but I think that Jordan would still be Jordan without Pippen. He may not have 6 rings but he would have multiple rings. On the flip-side, Pippen would have been just another good player without Jordan (ala Malone, Stockton, Barkley).

Its funny because I see these guys on TV debating about what LeDouche did and they try comparing LeDouche going to Miami to team up with Wade and Bosh to Jordan getting Pippen and the likes in Chicago. This is like comparing apples and oranges. Pippen was not a star in the league before he went to Chicago, nor was he a top 5 player. Wade and LeBron are both top 5 players and they are killing the spirit of competition by teaming up. You could easily compare it to constructing a monopoly in the business world.

by AnotherRealm on Jul 20, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is a good summary of my point.
On the flip-side, Pippen would have been just another good player without Jordan (ala Malone, Stockton, Barkley).

I just take it a step further, because i’m not sure Pippen is on level with Barkely, Stockton and Malone, Bird or Olajuwan.

What he accomplished on the court makes him a great. But he accomplished all that in an ideal situation — playing wing man to MJ. Pippen’s role was much lower pressure than Jordan’s.

In my own basketball career on various levels of competition i’ve been both the “go-to guy” and the sidekick. And from personal experience i know that it’s much easier to shine when you’re playing a supporting role.

Being in the right situation goes along way in determining the success of one’s career, that goes for all careers not just the NBA.

by dudemanhey on Jul 20, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

you still

keep ignoring the fact that pippen had his best statistical years without Jordan

without jordan and grant, he still took that bulls team to the playoffs and led the team in every major statistical category

by adamcawa on Jul 20, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Best statistical years

but what did that team accomplish?

Plus, i recall some prima dona issues with Pip that year too. He wanted to be the Man and Kukoc was stealing his fire.

by dudemanhey on Jul 20, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

do you not remember

Pippen DESTROYING the Knicks for years to come after this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rhd0ZFrb7y0

thats why theyve been terrible.

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by StudMuffin15 on Jul 20, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

they won 55 games

Pippen averaged 10 win shares in his 10 season with Chicago

By comparison, the GOAT averaged almost 16.

Kobe Bryant is around 10.5, not that far ahead of Pippen.

I admire your tenacity, but the numbers, even advanced behind the box score numbers, are all on Pippen’s side.

by adamcawa on Jul 20, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kobe played with Shaq

Shaq had a 5 year or so stretch that was arguably the most dominant all time in the NBA. Those first three championships the Lakers were the Shaquille ONeil show and before that Kobe was still a kid.

Win shares? ok. I’m not sure you’re math is right on those averages anyway. A quick look at basketballreference.com shows Byant at 104.5 career OWS and 41 career DWS. Pippen at 57.8 and 67.3 respectively. That puts Kobe at almost 10.5 and Pippen at a career 7.36 win share per season. Even if you take off Pip’s last three seasons (his lowest) so he and Bryant both have 14 seasons of data, Pippens TWS per season is 8.36 not the 10 you mistakenly claim.

Per 36 min Bryant has averaged 24.8 pts to Pips 16.6 and higher percentages across the board.

by dudemanhey on Jul 20, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

read again

were strictly his 10 years with the Bulls,

and although i didnt say it, i do wanna point out that the #’s I came up with for Michaels also only the Bulls, and Kobes only the Lakers (duh)

by adamcawa on Jul 20, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

you can't compare careers

to players who have retired versus players who are just now in their primes… Pippen’s 10 years with the Bulls were great, and his 2.8 seasons without Michael were his best seasons, despite not having Jordan or Grant

by adamcawa on Jul 19, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definaly disagree Pippen is one of the Greats of All time he did everything great he didnt need to score 30 to be Great. The 2 years Jordan retired the Bulls were still in the top of the East and Pippen was top 3 in MVP voting. Was the because of Jordan?

by Bcat2.0 on Jul 19, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

i still put Pippen

in my top 50, but certainly not my top 5.

also, Rodman was a bit unappreciated in his Bulls stint. 15 rebounds a game??? thats madness.

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by StudMuffin15 on Jul 20, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

What about this! Hakeem Olajuwon 1989-90

24.8 ppg, 14 rpg, 4.6 bpg

4.6 BLOCKS PER GAME IN AN 82 GAME SEASON

That is just absolutely obscene

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by James Dator on Jul 20, 2010 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol That's not the first time the word "madness" as been tied to Dennis Rodman.

3rd Rock From the Sun and Men In Black BOTH referenced Rodman as a space alien that was “just visiting” earth. lol

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by Ourdaywillcome on Jul 20, 2010 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol

i vividly remember that from MIB. great movie btw.

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by StudMuffin15 on Jul 20, 2010 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

To clarify: top 5 that season. Not all time.

I’m with Simmons (though my order is different): Jordan, Wilt, Kareem, Russell, Magic.

by David A. Arnott on Jul 20, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rodman a bit unappreciated????

I would say he was VERY unappreciated. The man was an absolute beast on defense and rebounding. He didnt score much and not very well when he did BUT they didnt need him to score. They needed him to defend and get the ball off teh glass which is precisely what he did and di it with a passion.

by AnotherRealm on Jul 20, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those Bulls team's with Rodman and Harper...

Were dominant. Superior to the 90-92 teams.

Jordan at his best — after he became a better shooter.
Same with Pippen.

As stated above Rodman was ridiculous.

by dudemanhey on Jul 20, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rodman

SHOULD be in the HOF. but i doubt we’ll see that anytime soon.

but yes, the man was a monster. incredible really.

--(insert quote, lyric, or joke here)

by StudMuffin15 on Jul 20, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

he invented

the falling out of bounds timeout hehe

by adamcawa on Jul 20, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently Magic agrees with Jordan

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5395989

Fans never fall asleep at our games, because they're afraid they might get hit by a pass

by Bring Back Primoz on Jul 20, 2010 7:58 PM EDT reply actions  

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