Shaun Livingston, starting point guard?
by David A. Arnott on Jul 15, 2010 8:00 AM EDT
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Shaun Livingston is a Hardwood Paroxysm favorite, and a favorite of mine, which is why I'm excited the Bobcats got him. The past couple years, the Cats have been the place where mediocre point guards go to get jobs when no one else will have them: Brevin Knight, Earl Boykins, Jeff McMinus (shudder). But Livingston is different.
He'll have an opportunity to start over D.J. Augustin because he's quite possibly the tallest PG in the league at 6-6 without shoes, giving him great wingspan and, thus, a solid defensive reputation. If he's merely an adequate ballhandler, getting the ball into the frontcourt and facilitating offense -- not even creating it -- he'll be fulfilling the Raymond Felton role on offense.
On defense, he can hope to replicate Felton's impact, too. Think about it. With Livingston starting, that's four guys on the floor between 6-6 and 6-9: Livingston, Stephen Jackson, Gerald Wallace, and Tyrus Thomas. Jay Bilas wouldn't be able to contain himself looking at all that length.
Let's imagine, for a moment, that we don't have images of Chris Paul dancing in our heads. According to their M.O. the past few years, what would the Bobcats do? They'd waive Dampier to ensure they're under the luxury tax threshold, and then use some of that money to add depth with two, or three, lesser players who, nonetheless, can play. It's the same mentality that brought in Raja Bell and Boris Diaw. They thought Jared Dudley was filler, so in their minds, they traded Jason Richardson for Bell and Diaw. Larry Brown won a title with Detroit, a team that went five deep and didn't have a "top dog", and he's trying to re-create that here.
The last word? Last season, in admittedly far fewer minutes, so fluky variation is possible, Livingston had the same Adjusted Plus-Minus that Felton had over the past two years. So, combine Bad Felton with Good Felton, find the midpoint, and that's Livingston. Not bad for replacement-level money.
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I love Shaun Livingston's game
His height causes match up problems, he’s quick and his stats from his short lived time in Washington was impressive to say the least:
Per 36- 12.9 ppg, 6.3 apg.
I noticed though that he was 0.000% from 3P… does he never shoot threes?
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by James The Aussie on Jul 15, 2010 8:07 AM EDT reply actions
That's Felton like production for much less money
which is pretty shrewd…
This morning feels like the season 2 finally of True Blood. What the hell happened to everyone and where the hell are my pants?
I have not seen an episode of 'True Blood'
I hear so many good things that I feel like I’m not part of a club, kind of like getting into ‘Lost’ 5 seasons too late.
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by James The Aussie on Jul 15, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
And...
then being so sadly disappointed. LOL suckers born every minute.
It's not like we lost anything from yesterday
It was all speculation, trade rumor talk.
True blood isn't as good as Lost
or great shows like the Wire and Dexter.
It’s more campy fun, but one of the better shoes on t.v. right now. Start watching season 2 and you’ll know what I’m reffering to. Yesterday was a lot of fun.
Dexter is great...
not sure where they’re going to go with this season though.
I honestly can’t stand True Blood
You should check out Forbidden Science
It’s FANTASTIC!
Good looks
Oh I’m a big fan of Fringe also
Awesome show
The end of this past season was crazy.
by djwilliams11 on Jul 15, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Just one I think
I was just kidding about it being good. I stumbled across it last night.
Oh I was going to watch it...not now. LOL
like I said before sucker born every minute
25 games, 18 starts and 2 attempts….
Shoot, Tyrus Thomas had two attempts for us last season
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by James The Aussie on Jul 15, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
before he was injured
his midrange game was supposedly coming around. I still think DJ has to run with the starters especially if he gets his flamethrower back
In his whole career
he has taken a whopping total of 32 three pointers and he has made 6 of those
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by WhatAboutBob_cats on Jul 15, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Could be worse
at least the guy knows he can’t shoot from the outside.
W/ a bad knee and his kind of length, he’ll need to develop a jumpshot though. There’s no excuse not to exploit that kind of heigth for a perimeter player.
Anyone know if Livs can post up?
He has a huge ceiling, the problem is the injury
It is very doubtful that he can last a whole season, much less deep into a playoff run. We are now going to rely on a guy who has played very little ball in 4 years due to injury? I don’t like it.
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It's all about the knee...
Will it hold up for starter’s minutes over a full season. Maybe, but I don’t know that you bank the year on it.
I don't think/hope we won't ask him to play more than 25 minutes each night
I think it’ll be pg by committe if Livingston, D.J., and Collins are all on the roster.
+1
It’s too risky unless we have 2 other solid PG options
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he is nasty though…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW7Kx9-LP1w
That move he made on Nelson..Felton couldnt even dream of doing that during that playoffs
Just now getting around to watching this
I’m surprised to see the explosion he has left. He probably can’t sustain that kind of play, but good to see.
I’m most impressed w/ his passing. Anyone know what his turnovers and defense are like?
Thinking the same thing...
Wow…IMHO…what a PG upgrade…
I hope he can give 8 Min per qtr of that kind of play
by andrewlail76 on Jul 15, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Uhhhh OK!!!
Didnt realize he had game like that. I like the way he gets himself around the rim. I dont think anyone here could see Felton doing much of that. This might be a better acquisition than I originally thought.
by AnotherRealm on Jul 15, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Would be devastated
If all we did was waive Damp. But maybe that’s smart speculation at the moment on this site
GSO
David has held that line all along
He’s remained extremely consistent on that point.
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by James The Aussie on Jul 15, 2010 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Brevin!
That season when he and Gerald were competing for the most steals was so much fun. My fantasy team was unbeatable.
I'm ecstatic about this signing
The guy was young when he blew out his knee so it’s a chance for a full recovery this may be the 1st season he’ll be actually close to 100% too. Livingston and Childress were on our radars before we moved up from 4 in our 1st draft to take Emeka
Knees by committee…
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by James The Aussie on Jul 15, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
What was the reason behind that?
Was it that Miles was too old, or had too many years in the NBA? I’m not sure what the rules are on summer league play
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by James The Aussie on Jul 15, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Coaching staff sat him cuz his knees are terrible
Anyone can play summer league
by Daniel Austin on Jul 15, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
The observer said it was a precaution
Drs didn’t want him to practice much either. I think it was once a day or once every other day.
yeh
once a day and every third day off i believe. so not very confident in him
by Daniel Austin on Jul 15, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
It was reported to be a precaution from Doctors
I’m sure Hanners and LB would have loved to see him play.
Also, it’s my understanding that you can only play in summer league for your first 3-4 seasons. Though Josh McRoberts is still playing. How long has he been in the league?
McRoberts was selected in the 2007 draft
So this would be his 3rd year
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by James The Aussie on Jul 15, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
And we think he can play... why?
For all of Allen Houston’s problems at least he had a jump shot.
I guess I’m not seeing why the Bobcats are interested in a guy with bad knees who’s primary attribute was his athleticism.
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by James The Aussie on Jul 15, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
If it's anything like Larry Hughes...
It’ll turn me into a jumper
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by James The Aussie on Jul 15, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Miles' real strength...
if he ends up being useful, is going to be tough defense and savy veteran play. He doesn’t have the explosion to dunk on people anymore, but I’m sure he has some post moves.
He also, again, has length to play strong defense. He shoudln’t take minutes away from D.Brown though. So he’d be best if used sparingly. Though we all know how much LB loves to play D minded vets.
From Y!Sports article.
"I had a God-gift (talent) and never thought it would be taken away from me," Miles said. "I probably would have never worked on my jump shot. Like never, because I can always get to the basket and jump higher than everybody. But it got to the point where you can’t do that anymore so you’ve got to work on your jumper."
Yea that's what he's working on
but I doubt he’s being brought in for his shooting.
I think he’s George Lynch, but further down the bench.
I agree the injury was bad & disgusting to watch, but he did it at a very very young age. So there is a chance for a better recovery if he was 26 when it happened highly doubtful
Well...
if we trade for Gilbert we got 2 knees between 3 players.
We could have an all knees team
Somebody give Penny a call!
If only we could have Penny in his prime...
That was what Shaun Livingston was supposed to be Penny meets Magic Johnson…lets rekindle that fire
LOL!!!!
Speaking of which…… what ever happened to Penny??? Last I knew he was playing in Phoenix but that was a few years ago, I think
by AnotherRealm on Jul 15, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Hasn't it been like 3-4 years?
Why would it all the sudden be back to 100% now?
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meant to hit reply... It's been 3 years
He completely tore up his knee it was worse than Gilbert’s and look how long it has taken him to get back. It’s like learning to use it all over again when it’s that bad.
from Wikipedia the know all be all of the internet
Livingston injured almost every part of his knee, tearing the anterior cruciate ligament (ACL), the posterior cruciate ligament (PCL), and the lateral meniscus, badly spraining his medial collateral ligament (MCL), and dislocating his patella and his tibia-femoral joint.44 The injury was so severe that ESPNEWS warned viewers of the graphic nature of the video clip before airing it.5
Confirms my skepticism
There’s no way we’re taking this and DJ into the season to manage our team. Either something big has to happen, or we are going into the season with no legit PG or Center. I don’t care how much Jordan saves, another losing season will lose him more than that.
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So you guys would rather build a team to win now trading away any and all future picks and all young talent we do have. Charlotte fans are something else. Want everything now…
Emeka is not the answer at Center. Who was the last team to win without a dominating post presence? (don’t say MJ b/c we don’t have anyone of his or Pippen’s talent level on this team) That is more integral than cp3. Now name the last team to win a championship with a dominant PG. Spurs with Tony Parker…maybe.
I think that a lot of the fan base have little to no faith in the Bobcats ability to effectively draft players.
If there was some sign that the organization’s brain trust could effectively identify and draft talent it may be different, but at this point I think a lot of people would rather we trade away protected first round picks for something that’s more of a sure thing than end up with the next May or Ajinca.
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by James The Aussie on Jul 15, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it's more that
it seems that Larry Brown has control over the drafts and he has always drafted players that fit into his system, regardless of talent.
Well most moves were made to put fans in the seats b/c of Bob Johnson. I think in Henderson we took best available him and TWill are 2 different players. We didn’t take Lopez b/c lets be honest we had a “center” in Oakfor he was our center and everybody knows he can’t play the 4 against anyone remotely athletic. Felton was absurd until last year.
I’m not here to argue facts or whatever the point is good teams are built from the ground up. You don’t get stars without taking on junk and Emeka is just this junk. I don’t think this deal gets done anyways. I would much rather trade for a bonafide center with a back to the basket game. Probably wouldn’t take giving up as much either.
by JDuaneHipps on Jul 15, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you 100%
I’m also a big believer that the Bobcats have been stuck in ‘draft limbo’ for a long time too.
With the exception of the Morrison draft we’re been on the outside looking in at some of the best players. The one draft where we HAD to get a point guard, two teams were ahead of us who needed them too (Williams, Paul) the Okafor draft was exceptionally weak from top to bottom, Henderson was the best SG available, but we missed out on a bumper crop of them who went just before him, likely causing us to take him a few picks earlier than expected.
I agree that building from the ground up is key, but it seems like in the modern NBA either the lottery balls need to bounce your way, or you need to strike gold on a lucky pick (Brandon Roy) to turn your fortunes around.
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by James The Aussie on Jul 15, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes technically speaking...
We have never “won” in the lottery were have always drafter where we were expected or even lower. I’m not for any deal that doesn’t instantly make us a contender b/c we’re probably giving up young talent and/or draft picks. CP3 and Emeka to me don’t bring us a team that will in 3 years win a championship. The window on Jax is closing fast. So I wouldn’t mind us blowing up the team if we don’t win a first round series this year and by the looks of our squad it seems highly unlikely, unless DJ plays at a high level.
Give Hendo some burn this year, let him progress if he doesn’t seem like he’s on the verge THEN trade him. We’re set at the 3 & 4 for the forseeable future. With that being said showcase Derrick Brown for something b/c if he doesn’t show NBA game we won’t resign him it’s win/win there.
by JDuaneHipps on Jul 15, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
but next year
we don’t have the pieces to trade. If a trade is going to happen to bring in a superstar by trade, the time is now, while we have Dampier and a couple other good contracts and talent. The only way we get something out of Diaw is if one of those expiring contracts is included with him. So, if something is going to happen, it will happen this summer
Agreed...
The contract we signed Emeka to is horrendous, but if it’s what you guys want I hope you get your wishes.
If it’s not this I’d have buyers remorse:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2e396q6
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2g7f7c7
and a future 1st to NO is the maximum I’d offer.
by JDuaneHipps on Jul 15, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Would you prefer Shaq at the vet minimum?
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by southtunnel on Jul 15, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Funny you mention Shaq. I was thinking about him coming to Charlotte the other day. He wouldnt need to be the Shaq of old. He could play the way he did in Cleveland and it might work. We would really just need him for the post season and to hold off other teams bigs, ya know?
by AnotherRealm on Jul 15, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Please No
if that’s our options bring on Chuemeka
They've yet to build anything except through trades
I can’t name one single good draft pick… Maybe Okafor, that’s it.
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by southtunnel on Jul 15, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Jury is still out for me on DJ and Hendo…. but other than that, I agree with you.
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by James The Aussie on Jul 15, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Again during the Bob Johnson era...
He cared about his bottom line. Sean May, Raymond Felton & Adam Morrison were all players picked that were fans favorites. He didn’t care.
by JDuaneHipps on Jul 15, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Felton and May, yes... Morrison, no
Ammo was a bust, no doubt… but on draft night it was almost universally hailed as a great pick. He was being compared to Larry Bird at the time, and we needed a scorer.
It seemed like a match made in heaven
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by James The Aussie on Jul 15, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Memories...
I was SO psyched to get Ammo (even though I slightly favored Roy). And despite general public opinion, his rookie season was decent. Not anywhere near what I expected, but there was promise there.
I’ll always believe not playing his sophomore year due to injury KILLED any chance he had of blossoming in Charlotte, and may have ruined his NBA career altogether. Such a shame…
+1
I was excited about his arrival, sickened by his knee injury, and hopeful for a comeback…then nada
by andrewlail76 on Jul 15, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
So much of that had to do w/ LB
Ammo could have been a solid scorer in the NBA.
He just had a lot of things not go his way.
True, and Felton wasn't a flop either
But the guys who have made us competitive recently… Wallace, Jack, Diaw, Thomas, Raja, all better than any draft pick. Why not continue this, since it’s worked?
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by southtunnel on Jul 15, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Jared Dudley?
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by WhatAboutBob_cats on Jul 15, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
I sure was sad to see JD go…I wonder if we would’ve held onto him if we had any idea how much of a beast he would eventually be beyond the arc?
+2
Great guy and I thought he was a steal for us…
REALLY hated to see him go.
by andrewlail76 on Jul 15, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Makes me wonder what Henderson will be like if we end up trading him.
He’s shown some serious promise end of last year and SL this year.
+10
If Henderson gets traded, and a year later he’s lighting up back courts with a deadly mid range jumper, killer slash moves inside, and explosive “posterizing” dunks, I will try my best not to be such a whiny b!tch about it.
That has a lot to do w/ the team he's on
There’s no way he becomes that kind of jump shooter in Charlotte. The Suns make players better 3 pt. shooters.
I’m not saying he wouldn’t of had the potential to shoot like that in Charlotte, I’m saying that the system in Phoenix (and Nash) really brought it out in him.
I agree to an extent
but you’ve still got to have the touch. Like you said though, Phoenix players tend to very accurate with their 3s. I just went back to look at some stats, and Joe Johnson was damn near hitting half of his 3s during his last year in Phoenix (.478). His first year with the Hawks? .356
Part of that is pace...
The up and down pace they plays cause a defense to collapse too much & open up the perimeter. Plus their break is so nice they give all their shooters the green light…or at least did back then. Most ppl in the league can hit and open 3 (except Felton in his first 4 years in the league & apparently Shaun Livingston)
Exactly my point
The Suns play a style that emphasizes the 3. Larry Brown emphasizes trips to the foul line. JD wouldn’t have the opportunity here to shoot like he does in Phx.
For the record, he was a decent-to-average 3pt shooter at BC
So the ability was there, just needed refining, opportunities, and PT.
how many of those do you think there are in the league?
The post up center is almost gone in the league these days. And any decent ones are just not going to be traded. A couple of the young ones maybe. The deal that James mentioned with NJ for example, or Robin Lopez or Hibbert.
As to not drafting Brook Lopez, I think everyone knew that Okafor was always going to be “adequate.” Why pass up on the far superior talent of Lopez to take DJ then? Because he looked like a future all star PG? Who thought that? I didn’t.
I just don’t see the NJ deal because for 1) they didn’t spend their money wisley this summer so why need more? & 2) who is available next year that they really need?
I suggested an earlier trade on another thread of BDiddy/Kaman for Dampier/DJ/Nazr. We could try to make a move for Pryzbilla. Anything that doesn’t involve Wallace.
Hindsight is 20/20 you people are quick to judge. There was a lot of knock on Brook Lopez’ athleticism at this level. He’s shown he can play, but if we had drafted him & he was a stiff people would still complain. There is no winning with this Charlotte franchise.
DJ did however look to be an upgrade over Felton we needed a PG who could hit an open shot Felton’s shot was horrendous his first few years.
We’ve made a lot of mistakes drafting players, but also drafting players and playing them out of position. A la Felton playing the 2 his first 2 years, Oakfor playing Center, We even shortened Crash’s career by all the time at the 4, the list goes on and on. No more small ball with Diaw at the 5, and please don’t put Tyrus there either.
by JDuaneHipps on Jul 15, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't want it
that makes us much less a contender than trading for CP3. Barron is aging, injury prone, very streaky, and doesn’t always play with everything he’s got. Kaman is one of the more overrated players in the league in my opinion. He’s pretty decent on offense, but honestly someone has to score, so he just happened to be it more times than others on the team. His defense is not good either. Why would we trade for that?
And as for DJ, anyone looked to be an upgrade over Felton. I’m not saying he can’t be a starter at some point in his career, but he’s never going to be an all star. And his game is more suited to be a shooting PG that has decent vision. He’ll never be a true PG either. Even if Brook’s athleticism was questioned, the thing is he was still slotted to have the talent to be a potential all star center. And that’s not something you should pass on because there’s a PG that could be “better than Raymond Felton in a few years”
Nobody was talking about Brook Lopez being a future All-Star Center.
Your analysis of Kaman is a little off base. No team is ever going to win an NBA championship with Oakfor at the 5. To each their own though we’ll see what happens I think a trade at this point is highly unlikely. Well a trade for CP3 and Oakfor.
by JDuaneHipps on Jul 15, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
there were plenty of scouts
who thought Lopez had that talent. Yes the athleticism was a question, but there were still people raving about his talent.
Also, I said that was my opinion on Kaman. I’ve watched him play, and I think he’s extremely overrated. His defense is bad, and I think his offensive game is overrated. That’s my opinion after seeing him play. You didn’t really give me a reason why you disagree either. Besides, do you think a team is going to win a championship with Kaman at the 5? I’m really asking, not mocking. I don’t believe they can.
I think winning with Okafor would be easier than winning with Kaman for one simple reason. You can find other scorers. There are much fewer options in the NBA for good interior defense. And that’s something that is absolutely needed to win a championship.
no offense
but you grossly underrate Chris Kaman
injury issues aside, he can rebound, score, block and has good movement
no he’s not the defensive player of the year, but he’s certainly not Al Jefferson
so you disagree
that’s fine with me. And I don’t think blocks=defense. Al Jefferson is one of the worst defenders I’ve seen and he had 1.3 blocks a game last year. I’m not trying to bash Kaman. He’s a good center. But I’ve watched him play, and I don’t think he’s as good as some people rate him. Again, that’s my opinion of him and if you don’t like it that’s not my problem.
You’d rather have a 10/10 guys as opposed to a 20/10 guy. There may be a position in the Bobcats from office for you sir!
by JDuaneHipps on Jul 15, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
no
if it comes down to an argument of strictly Kaman vs. Okafor, I’d rather have Kaman. But if you’re talking about the possible trade, I think it’s rediculous to have Kaman/Barron in the same conversation as a trade involving Chris Paul.
To go further, I think A trade with CP3 that includes Wallace in it = a trade with Baron/Kaman without him. I say that because CP3 is a really special player that would just make the team better by himself. If that was all we got by trading away Wallace, I would be disappointed. I don’t think that makes the team better. But I don’t think it makes the team worse either.
I’m going to get blasted for this I just know it
If you're concerned about being blasted about an opinion...
Just stop talking…
and I’m not picking on you either. I’m just saying that if you and someone have a disagreement on something…each of the parties involved can state the case, but just agree to disagree.
Otherwise I have a bunch of back and forth reading to do…LOL
Plenty o times I’ve just shut up on an issue.
by andrewlail76 on Jul 15, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not
really all that concerned with it. I just figured what I said about Wallace being traded could get me blasted. He is the face of the franchise, and for good reason. Although one of the things I like about this place is that I’ve hardly seen anyone blasted for any comments, no matter what they are. It’s good to have a conversation with people who don’t get pissed just because your opinion varies from their own.
The guy who usually blasts...
hasn’t been here in a while
by andrewlail76 on Jul 15, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Just offering other options...
B/c I doubt a CP3 deal goes down b/c the asking price is much too high it seems. They hold the cards currently that will change near the trade deadline or next summer.
no way
would i want Kaman/Davis over CP3/Paul
I just was saying that Kaman is better than your interpretation of him. (You said his defense was bad and his offense overrated).
I had no opinion whatsoever about the rosterbation, just your evaluation of the talents involved :-D
Oakfor is not that great at altering shots
When you have Tyrus being such a strong weak side defender you don’t need such a strong defender in the post. Scoring to me on the block is going to be a premium. What is Oakfor going to do to take pressure off the rest of the players. Oakfor and Tyrus don’t compliment each other in the least. Tyson either for that matter. I would have even given Eddy Curry a shot (had we traded Tyson to them) if we don’t wind up flipping Dampier for something.
I don’t think Kaman as your main piece you’ll win but I think he’s a perfect compliment to the team.
by JDuaneHipps on Jul 15, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Draftexpress.com Brook Lopez analysis
draftexpress.com analysis of Brook Lopez and they are usually spot on
Best Case: Chris Kaman Meets P.J. Brown
Worst Case: Brendan Haywood
From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Brook-Lopez-545/#ixzz0tlOOMYJr
http://www.draftexpress.com
by JDuaneHipps on Jul 15, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
trust me I’m salty we didn’t get him too, but it’s not a complete missed draft that we didn’t at the time.
by JDuaneHipps on Jul 15, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
It would seem that our “braintrust” has followed hype too much in the past when it comes to drafting. Its not like we picked some obscure guy who no one ever heard of. Prior to the NBA these were legit guys in college… NO?? Okafor with the Huskies, Felton with the Heels. Both winning championships if memory serves. It just seems like they did not do enough homework on these guys and didnt think of exactly how they would impact the team once they got here.
by AnotherRealm on Jul 15, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
eh
I don’t think anyone was saying too much about those particular picks. Both of those drafts were very weak, especially the Felton draft. After the first 4 there was a big drop off in talent, so Charlotte took the next best PG, which they desperately needed. In the Okafor draft, it looked like the right decision. Since then a number of players have looked better. Livingston was actually 4th there, he could’ve gone higher but he was straight out of high school and didn’t have a good jump shot. Dwight Howard was the only sure pick. After that there were some good guards, some good talent out of high school, and Okafor was there too. At that time, no one was questioning the pick. I never had a problem with it, just that they gave him such a ridiculous contract.
just to stir the pot some
I’m pretty sure Channing Frye, Andrew Bynum, Danny Granger, Jarret Jack, Francisco Garcia, Luther Head, Leinas Kleiza and David Lee would disagree with you about the 2005 draft being weak.
or
CJ Miles, Ronny Turiaf, Monta Ellis, Andres Blatche, Ryan Gomes and Marcin Gortat,
or
Marvin Williams, Sean May, Rashard McCants…
OUCH!
Attaboy
RoF Veteran
Circle gets the square
by andrewlail76 on Jul 15, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm talking about
at the time. I agree that all of those guys turned out better. But at the time, Felton looked as good as any of them, and he was a PG, which is what they needed the most. I wont argue with May, cause I thought that was one of the worst picks they made, right away.
To be honest,
from your list only, Ellis, Lee, and Granger have had successful NBA careers thus far. The others are mostly mediocre reserves. Following a pretty quality 2004 draft, 2005 was weak
my point was
that ALL of them are better than Sean May, and all of them were picked after him
Also, Miles, Bynum, Blatche and Garcia are all starters. Frye will be now with Stat gone.
not to mention
i would say that the 2005 draft is overall better than the 2004 draft… the 2004 draft has only had 3 all stars + iguodala as opposed to 5 from the 2005 draft + Bogut
I see
your point but I still don’t think any of the players you mentioned being anything more than mediocre up to this point in their careers. Miles started 26 games last year and has averaged just under 7 pts for his career, Bynum would be a perennial all-star if not for injuries, Blatche showed a TON of promise after Haywood left Washington last year, but before that was less than mediocre, and Garcia started 4 games last year so it might be a little early to consider him a starter.
LOL!!!!!!
Is May even playing anywhere? I know he was having a problem with loving the buffet too much even after we got rid of him.
by AnotherRealm on Jul 15, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
HE IS AVAILABLE...
Please don’t mention him again…
by andrewlail76 on Jul 15, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
There's no other option
The city won’t support team that’s not winning now. And they need butts in the seats to be able to do anything in the future.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
by southtunnel on Jul 15, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Well in a few years when we’re handcuffed… don’t say I didn’t warn you and the fans will comes and go as the team wins. This will never be another Hornets team. Simple as this the Bobcats win the fans will come they lose they won’t. I would rather build a team that has lasting power than a team that’s a flash in the pan then a bunch of crap contracts down the line.
by JDuaneHipps on Jul 15, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd rather have a handcuffed team
Then no team at all
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
by southtunnel on Jul 15, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
You make ridiculous statements. I’m done with this conversation. Ride the bandwagon for a few years and jump back off when the ride ends. All these trades and loss of you talent will come back to haunt us one day if this all goes down like people want or suspect.
by JDuaneHipps on Jul 15, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
you're forgetting
Just like we see in Miami, if you build a “win now” team, you’ll draw other players. Can you imagine the number of vets out there willing to play with CP3 for less money? Or to play for Michael Jordan? You don’t see it in NO because they have the second worst FO in the NBA.
How is that ridiculous?
I don’t think Jordan has the luxury of sitting back and building a product if fans aren’t investing their money into it. It takes money to make money.
What about that do you have a problem with?
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
by southtunnel on Jul 15, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Rather have a handcuffed team than no team at all…
Where do you think our team will be once we are unable to make moves and stuck in mediocrity. I’m not so sure Paul would resign here anyways. Then you’re stuck with no Wallace and no Paul.
by JDuaneHipps on Jul 15, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
It just seems like there's a small window
1. After last year people are getting interest in the team.
2. Plenty local fans might very well be disappointed with the Panthers this season, and looking for something to shift their passion to.
3. You have a hall of fame coach with probably only a year or two left.
A strong team in 2010/2011 team could capitalize on this momentum, otherwise you risk regress… Which if long and deep enough could cost the city the team.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
by southtunnel on Jul 15, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Anyone whose ever started or managed a business understands this
You can’t fund it without making a profit. Even loans eventually run out and money has to come in in order for it to survive.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
by southtunnel on Jul 15, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
cant
ya’ll just agree to disagree, you both have different views on how a franchise should make money
I'll agree to disagree
I said no matter what I’m along for the ride. Also, I think if Jordan really needs money he could brand the team in Jordan branded gear.
by JDuaneHipps on Jul 15, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
No harm done
James can testify that I enjoy the debate ;) This is all speculation on all parts.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
by southtunnel on Jul 15, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Indeed… many a time we have yelled at each other over at the Panthers blog… but its all in good fun
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
by James The Aussie on Jul 15, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not bent out of shape about it. I want the Cats to be great as much as the next person. CP3 just isn’t the end all be all in my opinion…
Now when Steph Curry becomes a FA down the line thats a whole different ball game
by JDuaneHipps on Jul 15, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
3 years ago
He completely tore up his knee it was worse than Gilbert’s and look how long it has taken him to get back. It’s like learning to use it all over again when it’s that bad.
like a PG version of T-Mac
tall, explosive freak athlete that can play 20 minutes a game. Here’s a good video on his rehab:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zBvZH_MEX8
kind of explains why it took so long to get back. Plus, even when he got back on the court, that doesn’t mean he was ready to play a game. He wasn’t ready or wasn’t back to a playing level to be in a game before then. That’s why it took so long for him to get back.
Exactly...
I’m not saying he’s the savior but could be a decent stop gap and based on matchups him or DJ see the floor more. Dude couldn’t even play basketball for a year and a half after his injury. That means he’s seen the floor for basically two years, and played well last year.
by JDuaneHipps on Jul 15, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
none of us here is a doctor
well, I shouldn’t say that. Maybe someone here is, but no one here has seen what his knee looks like, how well it’s healed or anything. I don’t know if he can sustain that game as a starter. If he can, that’s great. He could probably start and be a pretty decent PG. It may be a miracle of the human body if he’s able to do it, but I wouldn’t say it’s completely impossible until I hear a doctor say it that has seen the knee or I’ve seen him given a shot.
It's not whether he is a starter...
It’s whether or not him and DJ can provide a good enough stop gap to get us to the playoffs? They would likely come close to splitting time. At some point the Bobcats have to step back look at their team and pick what pieces we want to build around not just be a revolving door of players.
by JDuaneHipps on Jul 15, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
i'd compare him
more to penny hardaway than t-mac…
ironically
his play was very similar to pre-injury Penny before he got injured and, although it’s a small sample size, the back to gaurd, spin to post game Shaun has displayed on his return is very reminiscint of post-injury Penny
I guess we know where he gets his inspiration
on a side note, Penny was always Lebron’s favorite player
Mine too
I even put a bandaid over my eye when I played one season!
by JDuaneHipps on Jul 15, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
People believe in MJ he wants to win
We have a owner that always needs to win he is winning in bike races people! Let’s give him time we are going to win he is a winner period
I agree
Money is always a factor. But being an ex-player means he’ll probably be more competitive than most. I just hope he has the smarts to do it, or is at least surrounding himself with bright minds. LB was a great start in my opinion.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
I like this al harrington cat
If we could trade Diaw and dump Damps, I wouldn’t mind signing him to a deal. Would be the perfect scorer off the bench.
Harrington just signed a deal with the Nuggets
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
by James The Aussie on Jul 15, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Too quiet on the homefront.
Anyone heard anymore about what’s going on with the Bobcats?!? There were tons of things flying around yesterday but everything seems to be completely quiet now. Has anyone heard if they are still trying to make a huge trade? I’m hoping so.
James hasn't posted anything in a while
last he said, there was nothing new
Could be a cone of silence thing
I would stay quiet after all that has transpired.
Wheels are in motion, and none of the pieces that they had in mind have changed…so we should stay tuned to the TV…watch for the announcement…or lack of one…
by andrewlail76 on Jul 15, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
This!
I’m not saying another word about the information I’m receiving and it isn’t just because of the threat I received.
Rufus blew up this week. It got to the point that there were tweets and comments showing up in other NBA cities that could have very well been based on things reported/speculated on here at ROF. That’s too much attention that could get people in the Bobcats organization wondering where the leaks were. I’m not going to kill the jobs of my friends – whether they’ve been working there a couple of months or started during the construction of the arena.
This is my absolute last word until it’s over:
I promised to reveal the details of both steps that remain unannounced if they broke apart. Obviously if it all happens according to plan, I won’t need to explain anything. I intend to keep that promise. If you haven’t seen a lengthy explanation of things with either mine or James the Aussie’s name on top of it, you should assume that things are still alive in some form fairly close to the information we have been given. I do know some pretty definite things the Bobcats will try if these deals fall through, but I’m not starting all the noise up again because if the original deals happen there won’t be any need for the contingency arrangements the Bobcats have planned. If any combination of the backup options I’m aware of become necessary, y’all will find out soon enough. Make sense?
by Ourdaywillcome on Jul 15, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
PBT link below makes it sound like somethings still in the works
But it’s extremely difficult
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
by southtunnel on Jul 15, 2010 2:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
There are potential ways around the restriction.
For example, cash considerations could be added to make a trade work provided we had a handshake deal with the other team that the money would be returned to us in a second trade that is similarly lopsided the other way a day or so later. It might raise an eyebrow or two, but there isn’t anything I see in the rules against such a thing. Keep in mind I am FAR from being the site expert on such things, so I may still be incorrect in what I said. Just because I don’t see a problem, it doesn’t mean one doesn’t exist.
But my point is still valid. Each team has legal experts on the payroll that earn their green by finding loopholes in the system. The owner/GM picks up the phone to these people and says, “make it so” and they do their Star Trek TNG best. The unstated axiom each time is “work this out so it will get accepted by the league offices.” If the scenario above won’t do it, I’m sure they can find other loopholes that will.
by Ourdaywillcome on Jul 15, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
From what you've heard
how the proposed deals have been explained to you, there doesn’t seem to be any question as to whether they’ll go through the league office though?
I know you're not asking me... but
I can say from my end that everything I have heard checks out in both ESPNs and realgm’s trade machine/trade checker.
Everything works through the CBA and Dampier’s clause.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
by James The Aussie on Jul 15, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
From what others have said, things aren't final until the ink is dry.
Jordan’s about-face with Toronto is a good example of that. So is the whole, “questions about the physical” pullout that’s all over the media today. Charlotte’s GM told the media (in defense of Jordan’s switch) that there are numerous deals in process at any given time and most die without the media ever even knowing they existed.
Everything I was shown worked fine according to the usual yadsicks available to fans – trade machines, etc.
Those that I’ve privately shared things with in the past can verify that these 3 people I’m in contact with have been accurate a high percentage of the time.
I’ve gotten heads-ups for quite a while and have almost never mentioned them except to one or two friends. A quick scan of my posting history will bear that out. What was different this time was partially the scope of the trades, but mostly because when James the Aussie and I shared what we had been told via email it was an almost identical match. We both got excited and I jumped in with both feet here at ROF. I virtually never rosterbate and this was a bigtime first for me. It’s also a bigtime last. It was never my intention for it to get this crazy and it isn’t something I’ll make the mistake of doing again. Things got way out of hand and I was a large part of the reason for it.
I stand by my sources and will trust them in the future. But I won’t “go public” with anything again.
by Ourdaywillcome on Jul 15, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess I should also say...
That I doubt any deals make it to the league office approval point unless all parties are certain they’ll fly through without incident.
by Ourdaywillcome on Jul 15, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Cool. Like I said in my fanpost
That was what made it both exciting and disappointing yesterday, b/c I believe you guys have no reason to lie. The posts you’ve made pretty much solidify that belief. I had said on BP that I thought you guys might’ve gotten bad info from your sources as well, because they may have been given misinformation… But, then again, I don’t know how high up your sources were, so in hindsight, I kind of ‘talked out of turn,’ so sorry about that lol.
But, I’m not sure if I posted this yesterday on BP as well, but I also thought about that Higgins quote when the ‘letdown’ happened yesterday… I thought it was very possible that we were on the verge of pulling the trigger and it fell apart, someone could’ve been unsure, didn’t want to do it, or just wanted time to think about it. So that’s totally believable. And I wouldn’t have even been refreshing ROF all day had your posts been unbelievable like so much of what is posted on internet sites are (I’m looking at you Bleacher Report). Even so-called credible sources – ESPN for instance, put out bogus info all the time, so I am having an increasingly hard time buying into whatever I read upon first look.
But, I had a feeling myself something bigger was coming after the Dallas trade, I just didn’t know what. Then after coming across your site yesterday and reading you and James’ posts, I was drawn in, b/c I don’t think either of you have a reason to lie or come up with stuff for attention. As you said, what purpose would it serve. And I’ll take your word for it, I don’t have to look up your old posts. I just think we all expected something and then you and James having inside sources confirming that to you just made that fire burn that much more for everyone hoping something would happen. I’m still hoping you’re right and although as I mentioned in my other post, I’ve had some bad experiences with ‘insiders’ before whether with the Panthers or Bobcats, I think you guys are a lot more credible than those previous experiences… I just hope you guys sources are right, I’m ready to get excited about something again.
In light of your demeanor above...
I’ll tell you that I don’t have the specifics of why I was told to expect it. I was told (Tues. night) it was being sent for league approval first thing in the morning. Given the time difference in Las Vegas and the fact that both owners are there I assumed it would be around noonish at the earliest that an announcement would be made. I got contacted by my #2 guy saying that Hollinger had made it pretty clear he was on to things and that he’d be the first outlet once it was final – which should be about an hour from that time. That’s when I hit ROF with the “it’s on” announcement. Stupidity on my part for counting my chickens or whichever cliche you prefer. When it didn’t happen I was as bummed as everyone else – a bit moreso because I knew everyone was hanging off the cliff largely because of me. Any time this person has been wrong in the past they’ve given me an explanation asap. I haven’t heard spit from that person explanation-wise yet. My main guy told me that unless I heard otherwise I should assume something close to what I’d been told was still in the works. That’s where everything stands right now apart from some things the Cats will supposedly try if this falls apart. I know better than to disclose anything about that or anything else. I’ve accelerated enough of my friends’ heartrates to last me a decade or two already this week.
by Ourdaywillcome on Jul 15, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
Yeah I understand man, that why I can’t say that I would be able to work in a front office unless they kept a muzzle on me 24/7. For your sake, and ours, I wish your first source would explain what happened. Until then, I definitely hope the 2nd source is right on and we’re just waiting for the other shoe to drop by sun down tomorrow! Thanks Our.
I actually got a message a bit before I posted the above.
I was so frustrated by the silence every time I checked for calls (roughly every 5-10 minutes) that I made myself stop looking. I’m not openly divulging the explanation because I don’t want to start another round of madness. Also, the message made sense, but it didn’t even answer all of MY questions let alone address the questions others here would ask. Don’t get me wrong, it made sense – but it didn’t provide sufficient details for my taste.
My sources can beat up your sources
by Ourdaywillcome on Jul 16, 2010 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Let's go Charlotte!
I’m new to this site, but it’s nice having all the fans on here and to hear all the rumors flying around about potential deals the Bobcats are working on. I have faith in MJ and Larry Brown to turn this team into something great!
PBT's in on the fum
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
by southtunnel on Jul 15, 2010 2:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
The point is...
We would most likely trade him in two seperate trades. Since I doubt we’re getting a max player in return this guy (and Bonnell) aren’t the sharpest tools in the shed. Proposed deal of CP3/Oakfor would be Dampier for CP3 straight up then a seperate deal for Oakfor that wouldn’t include Carroll or Najera for 60 days.
NBCSports hasn’t really made me feel as if them or their writers are more relevant to the sports world. They do major things for television but that is about it.
I don't know why people dump on Bonnell all the time
He’s not caught up in breaking a story as quick as possible, or getting the inside track on secret deals, but there are plenty of places for that. He’s accurate and generally even keeled. It fits for a sports writer for a newspaper though. He just has a different role than all the NBA bloggers.
I'm not hating on him
It’s obvious how this deal would workout. Just saying this didn’t need a call to the NBA office for rules about trading him. Most people already knew about that.
My beef with Bonnell is often in his quest to seem neutral, he writes negative stuff about the Bobcats
He is a local writer and thus does not need to sound neutral about the local teams. The downfall of the Hornets had as much to do with local media as it did with George Shinn or Derrick Coleman or Anthony Mason, etc.
MJ didn’t attend every game the last two years, but he does attend over half of them. Observer writers have a theme that he is a seldom scene absentee owner. Bobcats beat Cleveland 3 times last year. Even after corrections were sent to the Observer, Bonnell continued to report we had beat Cleveland two times.
For the local paper to remain relevant to the local population, he needs to be more positive about the Bobcats. The trade for Dampier was a great, but Bonnell made it sound like Bob Johnson was still running the team.
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Jul 15, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Why can't we have that guy on the Bobcats?
He seems so pensive and sensitive. And we definitely need a guy who can play the piano on the team. Or at least sit by it and rest his arm on it
Lemonade was a popular drink and it still is,
I get more props and stunts than Bruce Willis
- Guru, of Gangstarr
by WhatAboutBob_cats on Jul 15, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
everyone would
see through this as him desperately trying to join a championship team
LOL
I was being sarcastic but this is hilarious. I bet he can shoot… can’t jump tho
He could pose with Gred Oden!
he has a grand p… oh wait, never mind.
by Ourdaywillcome on Jul 15, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Livingston...
I like this pick-up. My only concern is of course how much is he really going to be able to play? His injury was actually considered quite a bit worse than Miles was. If Miles can’t practice or be able to log big minutes, what do we expect out of Livingston?
The difference is
that Miles’ injury happened after he had some NBA miles (no pun intended) on him and he was older than Livingston. Livingston was pretty fresh out of the shoot when he got hurt, thus making it easier for him to rehab. I dont know if you saw any of the video on YouTube regarding Livingston’s rehab but he worked extremely hard on it with every intention of coming back. I dont think Miles had the same hunger as Livingston to get back to playing.
by AnotherRealm on Jul 15, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
In case some people don't see it in the other post
Just wanted to clear some things up for the uninformed here. I am not talking on behalf of BCP or any other group. Just laughing at all the slick little insults I’m getting.
1. I never sent an e-mail to the Ourdays guy, anyone who sends a threatening e-mail over a trade rumor is an idiot. I probably would have sent him an e-mail calling him a troll if it was on his profile but I didn’t see it. Never had contact with this dude.
2. I did send 1 e-mail to James (and a reply) calling him a troll. I don’t think that is a big deal and I would have done it on the blog if I could have. I posted my e-mail on the forum to keep your trash talking replies off the board but apparently it didn’t work and nobody even e-mailed me (not surprising). I never attacked, threatened, or whatever was said to anyone. Just a troll, and maybe a “full of shit.” Nothing you wouldn’t say to your friend at the bar when he starts telling you how be banged this European model last week.
While I agree that threatening e-mails and Facebook harassment is pathetic, I certainly don’t believe Ourdays is a completely innocent victim. Nobody had a problem with anything he posted until the whole “just got confirmation, done deal, turn on ESPN 1 hour or less it’s on like Donkey Kong” junk. When you post something like that you deserve to called out when it doesn’t happen. If I told you a scientist 100% confirmed to me that an asteroid was about to hit the earth and we were all gonna die I would expect to be lambasted when it didn’t happen. In my own personal opinion (which I am allowed to have) the whole pity party thing was a clever way to quickly divert all the attention away from this ridiculous guarantee that never happened, and reaffirm support, Like I said, I never sent this guy an e-mail so don’t blame me for anything he is complaining about.
Will I eat crow if this all comes to being? Well, if we got CP3 I would not eat crow because that has been a rumor for months. If we pull of some “4 point plan” that lands us CP3 and Carmelo or whoever, making us a top 2 team in the east, I will eat every crow in North Carolina and the surrounding states, and when there’s none left I’ll eat all the pigeons just for good measure.
However, I WOULD like to apologize for all the “idiot, dumbasses etc” comments. I did get a little angry when attacks were starting to point to me for what I didn’t do (the Ourdays essay thing). So I am sorry for that and I take it all back. Good luck with the blog, go Bobcats, obviously I hope these trades come to fruition. You are all welcome on BCP anytime.
But hey, what good story doesn’t have an antagonist?
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LOL!!!
Thats awesome! Where did you find it?
by AnotherRealm on Jul 15, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
www.gifbin.com
Just based on the properties of the image. A well placed gif is always good for a laugh.
Another gif site is giftube.com, although it has an “adult” section with…well…adult themed gifs, let’s say. gifbin is much more PG-13 rated.
Your right
I will have to check that out later. Im at work right now. Of course thats not stopping me from monitoring the forum all day, but I wanna look around there. Thanks for the info!!
PS. Nice avatar!! LOL
by AnotherRealm on Jul 15, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe
Maybe we are evil twins of each other???
by AnotherRealm on Jul 16, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
+1 Exactly...who are you?
We’re done on this side…
Quit bringing it up and let’s ALL keep our fingers crossed
by andrewlail76 on Jul 15, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Obviously I should have just left this in the Olive Branch thread
lol. If you don’t know who I am then I am thrilled
CatNation...I'm still a little confused
Did you or did you not have sex with a European model?
Another day gone by, still the same ol' roster
Not at all looking forward to a down season by both the Panthers and Bobcats. I REALLY want to be able to compete with Miami next year.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
This article encourages me about signing Livingston
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/2010-nba-free-agent-update-bobcats-sign-shaun-livingston
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
by southtunnel on Jul 15, 2010 6:00 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Livingston's contract:
CBS Sports are reporting it’s a 3 year deal.
First two years guaranteed, third year partially guaranteed. No indication whether it’s a player or team option.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
by James The Aussie on Jul 15, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I like the move even more
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
by James The Aussie on Jul 15, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
This is good to see...
Brown made a subtle hint that the Bobcats are in the process of negotiating another deal and told the Associated Press the team still has a lot of work to do following the trade that landed Tyson Chandler and Alexis Ajinca in Dallas.
cautious optimism
by djwilliams11 on Jul 15, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
It's from the above linked opposingviews.com article
by djwilliams11 on Jul 15, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
gotcha, thanks...
although I’m not familiar with that writer.
I'm not either...
but he’s quoting LB directly. That’s good for something.
by djwilliams11 on Jul 15, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
If you saw his highlights from last year, I'm encouraged he's
as ‘healthy’ as he ever will be since his injury. And in contrast to Bonnell’s blog about him, I don’t really see a lack in quickness. I haven’t seen him moving laterally a lot in the highlights I’ve watched, which apparently was a concern, but his go-to move appears to be backing smaller guards down to the block and then hitting them with a quick spin towards the baseline – it appears pretty quick to me, lol.
Although I do still worry about his frame holding up. If you saw the initial injury (I was watching the game when it happened) and this highlight of a dunk from last year – he wasn’t injured in it, but it looked a little scary – it’s just always in your mind. I pray he stays healthy and holds up, if so, I think he is gonna be a game changer for us – and that’s not just blind homer talk. Here’s the dunk: It was pretty scary looking how he landed, almost like the first injury, but he apparently was hurt at all: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrEVieqfZRA&feature=related
Some highlights:
Amazing move on D.Williams and dunk on Boozer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTefU7co6Eg&feature=related
and a highlights package:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW7Kx9-LP1w&feature=related
Yes, you should be encouraged. lol
If the knee holds up, LBs going to love this guy
And playing for Brown is probably about the best thing that could have happened to him.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
by southtunnel on Jul 15, 2010 6:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
definitely
I see a lot of flashes of his pre-injury days in those highlights.
i think he could be the key between winning or losing a game in the final seconds…he has excellent court vision which Felton never possessed…Livingston can make that final pass to win the game and with that spin move on smaller guards (which is everyone in the league…he 6’6!!) would make the defense collapse opening it up for shooters
yeah, I was especially impressed
with him doing that to Deron Williams, who is pretty much a bully on that low-block to every guard in the league. Livingston was backing him down with ease and busted that spin on him effortlessly. Dude is stronger than his frame suggests.
Except it doesn't look like he's a great shooter
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
im okay with Livngston
as long as something like this doesnt happen to us:
--(insert quote, lyric, or joke here)
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I'll give it a 9.5
A 1/2 point off for not having both feet down for the landing
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Jul 15, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
i'll go 9
only because he didnt take out somebody on the other end
--(insert quote, lyric, or joke here)
by StudMuffin15 on Jul 15, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
white men CAN jump
with a trampoline at least…
--(insert quote, lyric, or joke here)
by StudMuffin15 on Jul 15, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Our CP3 conspiracy is catching on
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
Sounds eerily familiar
The Bobcats send Dampier (who is immediately cut), Gerald Henderson, D.J. Augustin and Nazr Mohammed to New Orleans for Chris Paul and the regal return of Emeka Okafor.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
so
i’m assuming that this happens in september?
--(insert quote, lyric, or joke here)
by StudMuffin15 on Jul 15, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah he lost me there
He should’ve clarified it would have to be through 2 separate deals.
My understanding is that the Dampier clause negates the 60 day waiting period
The Dampier clause is as follows: The team has 60 days to either trade or cut Erick Dampier or his contract becomes guaranteed.
This is backed up with realgm’s trade checker in a completely fictional scenario:
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5619654
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
by James The Aussie on Jul 15, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
poor Bonnell...
James, you make him feel like this:
--(insert quote, lyric, or joke here)
by StudMuffin15 on Jul 15, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bonnell is right on one thing...
Dampier can’t be traded with any more players.
Also, for a fictional trade how sweet is the above random deal? Yeesh
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by James The Aussie on Jul 15, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Looking back
I wonder if the Blazers wish they would have drafted Conley instead of Oden since Oden wanted him so bad.
I doubt it...
I don’t think they have time to think about Mike Conley with Kevin Durant around.
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by James The Aussie on Jul 15, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey James
I know that Sam Bowie was first who was 2nd in that draft, when jordan was 3rd?
by Jeremy Rabon on Jul 15, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok, my bad
I found my own answer Hakeem the dream was first and bowie 2nd, maybe I have an excuse I was only 2 years old in 1984 :-)
by Jeremy Rabon on Jul 15, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Some excuse...
I was 8…and I couldn’t have answered it..
by andrewlail76 on Jul 15, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
i knew that
that’s why you never heard Jordan insult the player who was unanimously considered the best of that class before and up until about 3 years after that draft :-D
and why Hakeem wasn’t at MJ’s HOF induction
I agree James, that trade would solve both of our glaring needs in one shot!!!
by Jeremy Rabon on Jul 15, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
WOW!!!!
Hey James…. This looks like a great trade for us. Ummmmm…. maybe we could consider this one? Although I cant really see the Grizzlies giving up those pieces right now. I feel like Memphis is part of the way through their “rebuilding” not just starting it and trying to dump salary.
by AnotherRealm on Jul 16, 2010 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions
No way, no how
This was just a random scenario where I picked a team and made the salaries work. It was to show that Dampier can be traded immediately… not to ever advocate that.
I think Memphis’ rebuilding is done. They have all the pieces now, especially with resigning Rudy Gay (even though I think they overpaid him) but they have the potential to be very, very solid for a long time.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
by James The Aussie on Jul 16, 2010 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Haha....
Thats what I was thinking. I thought maybe you had heard something. While the trade is purely fictional, I think it would be a great trade for us!!! It would address everything that we need.
C’mon Memphis!!! Couldnt you use a guy like Dampier???? LOL!!!!
by AnotherRealm on Jul 16, 2010 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Question
I thought non-guaranteed contracts became guaranteed on January 10 of each year. Is there something special about Dampier’s contract or the fact that he was traded?
Not 100% sure
But i think they become guaranteed once the player enters training camp. Thus they would have to waive him before training camp starts in order to have his salary come off the books this year.
Maybe someone here with more knowledge of the rules can explain this better???
by AnotherRealm on Jul 16, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Dampier's contract becomes guaranteed in 60 days
Dallas had to trade or cut him within the first 60 days of free agency, or it would become guaranteed.
Charlotte now has 60 days to trade him, or cut him.
I believe this can only keep happening until the first day of the regular season, i.e. he couldn’t pinball around the league all year.
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by James The Aussie on Jul 16, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
He was really good for the wiz last year
He will start for you guys, the guy still has potential too
This is my sig, what do I do with it?
Hey James....
In your estimation, do you think there is a possibility that we might hear something at some point today about “step 3”?
I cant tell you how psyched I am to hear something…… anything really. The silence is killing me.
I have absolutely no idea. I could throw out an arbitrary figure, but that wouldn’t help you.
Nothing has changed since 30% as far as I know
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by James The Aussie on Jul 16, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Also...
Bonnell posted an article this morning about trading Dampier for an exception. If we did that, does that mean we could package the exception with other players immediately for a trade??
That is correct.
I don’t understand why a team would want to trade us an exception for Dampier though. I don’t get what their motivation would be.
Nobody believes Erick Dampier is worth $13 million, so it’s not for his talent. So any team with an exception would be trading for him to cut.
Only possibility would be a cheaper player (say $6 million) and a $7 million exception… that way they unload a $6 million contract.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
by James The Aussie on Jul 16, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
and what good what that do?
I mean, unless they get a quality player for it, it’s a salary dump, and the better salary dump is to just cut Dampier. Then they could go after a serviceable center and employ a rotation of sorts with Nazr.
From what I understand about all the talks I’ve been hearing, the exception is only really worth it if it is in the 9-10 million range, and no one would give up that for Dampier.
The good a trade exception could do for the Cats is enable them to combine it with a bad contract for someone.
Theoretically a deal that couldn’t be worked out, like say: Diop, Nazr and Dampier for Gilbert Arenas could occur with Diop, Nazr and a trade exception.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
by James The Aussie on Jul 16, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
definitely true
but I’m saying that I don’t think anyone would give up a trade exemption that large for Dampier. a 5-6 million exemption sounds like about the best we could get and I don’t think it would be as tempting in a trade as Dampier would be, even if you have to split it into a separate deal to account for the clause of not packaging Dampier with anyone else Dampier
I saw earlier that some people were making some Livingston-Penny Hardaway comparisons
So here’s your link: Penny Hardaway wants to make a comeback with the Heat
Lemonade was a popular drink and it still is,
I get more props and stunts than Bruce Willis
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by WhatAboutBob_cats on Jul 16, 2010 10:26 AM EDT reply actions
that should
make me happy, but really, it only saddens me
What's behind NO rescinding Luther Head's contract?
Is it b/c they might be getting a PG/SG in a deal for CP3?? Maybe Hendo or DJ? Just thinking…..
The more obvious answer is that Bowers signed Luther and was fired directly after
The front office apparently didn’t want to be on the hook for Bowers’ decision.
Can’t rule out what you’re saying either.
Kinda sounds like...
the right hand wasnt talking to the left hand in NO!!! Not surprising though, ya know, given the genious that is George Windbag Shinn. LOL!!!! What a tool!
by AnotherRealm on Jul 16, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
from everything I've heard
it sounds like they were either not liking the signing or were making sure they had the cap space to do something else. Either way, the guy is royally screwed, because even if he passes another physical, no one will offer him anything resembling a decent contract, so he plays somewhere for peanuts, and if he’s lucky it’s a short enough contract that he can play well and turn around and get a better contract when it runs out.
Don't worry I heard the Bucks want head
err Head I mean
Lemonade was a popular drink and it still is,
I get more props and stunts than Bruce Willis
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by WhatAboutBob_cats on Jul 16, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I can see the blog headline now
“Violent Buck Wants Head”
Seriously, the guys on Y! blogs have been loving on the Buck between his half time shows, the Fear the Deer mottow, and this blog post, which has been one of my favorites that I’ve ever seen from Yahoo:
Not only that but....
If this speculation is true and we are serious about getting CP3, the hang up may be simply b/c NO doesn’t have a GM at the present time and they need time to think this through. The front office over there is in limbo right now….
I hadn't thought of that
If the rumor is true, that’s a reasonable explanation for the hold up.
I doubt it
if the owner wants to trade somebody and the GM is absolutely against it……the owner still wins. So if they are looking to trade Paul, I don’t see why that would stop them. Maybe they want a GM to make the deal because they actually realize they aren’t good enough to do the deal and not get screwed on it. If it’s true that that was the deal in question, then they should also know that there are a ton of other offers for the same deal and if they are a second too late, Dampier takes his 13 million off the books somewhere else.
I don't think you get the point
Of course the owner, who hires and fires everybody, has final say. I think what Paison is saying is that N.O. may need time to get their front office in order before they decide to make a franchise changing deal. That doesn’t mean the owner is waiting for anyone’s permission.
Check out this article...
Not sure what to make of it. Did Bower want to trade away CP3? I thought he was dead against it and was the one that said absolutely not.
Also get the feeling that new ownership needs to happen before Shinn gives it up, meaning the new owner Chouest might be willing to pull the trigger on a deal. Might need Shinn to transfer ownership before something happens?? Not sure what to make of this article….thoughts??
http://www.nba.com/2010/news/07/15/hornet.gm/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt2
that is interesting
but my main point was that they ought to know that they can’t wait too long, otherwise it’s likely that the Bobcats go for another option. From what has been said here, it sounds like other teams that cought wind of the deal were salivating about what Charlotte was offering and were trying to put together some serious offers to contend with what the 4-step plan entailed. Of course no one is sure what exactly that plan had in mind, but my point is that there are now other teams in the running, which would force them to decide sooner rather than later.
Though if the article above rings true, then the main driving force in the CP3 rumors is the guy who doesn’t own the team yet. And as shrewd as Shinn is, I can kind of see him holding up the deal until MJ decides to deal with someone else.
I don’t know what’s been holding Shinn up with the transfer of the team majority. It seemed like that deal was pretty much done 2 months ago, but it still hasn’t happened. Basically what I’m saying is that I’m pretty lost in it and I’m making speculation on everything. It just seems like, to me, that they would have to either press forward or back away soon because of other offers on the table. The fact that MJ went straight into step 3 of the plan makes me feel like he wants to get a deal done ASAP. It just doesn’t feel like he’d wait all that long for anyone to make a decision. Otherwise, they have almost 2 months to take care of Damp’s contract and make some other moves to make the team better or stay below the cap or both. I just don’t see this taking too much longer if it’s going to happen.
On another note, I guess I have a tendency to make what I’m saying sound more concrete than what I mean. A couple ex-gfs constantly complained that I was always belittling their opinion, because I can be kind of blunt and when I say it, so it ends up sounding like I’m stating a fact rather than an opinion. So if I sound like that here, I don’t mean to, it’s just the way I talk.
You could say my general communication skills = Diop’s contract. It’s just that bad.
No offense taken....
I actually value other people’s perspective on things (not saying you don’t) and I welcome everyone’s opinion.
I’m just on pins and needles and have been for the past couple of days since this speculation about CP3 started. Just wish something would happen one way or another….sooner rather than later.
Hoping MJ and the FO get this thing done!!
yeah, I think everyone here is
just chomping at the bit waiting for something to happen. We’ve already seen what happens earlier this week when the tension is too high.
I kind of like to listen to everyone else’s opinion and then draw conclusions based on it. That’s always how I’ve operated. Sometimes I’ll offer speculation before I’ve heard all the other opinions, and like I said, because I tend to come off as being rather blunt, people think I’m completely sure of what I’m saying and don’t offer as much resistance(except for those that are completely sure of what they are saying).
Man, I hope you made some sense of that, cause my other big tendency is to ramble on for a while and get caught in tangents that have pretty much no bearing on what I’m actually trying to say. All my english teachers used to tell me I’m a really good writer, but I just can’t stay focused long enough to write a really good paper/story/whatever the assignments were. In fact I enjoy writing from time to time, and have started a number of stories that seem like they would make great books, but I always get sidetracked on another idea before I can go very deep into it. Then I end up starting a story with a different idea. By the time I come back to that initial idea, I have no idea where I was going with it and it just ends up in the scrap heap with the other stories I never finished.
Wow, I just did it again……
I don't know, I get the feeling that
if the new owner takes over, if we had any shot at getting CP3, we won’t then… Why? B/c you know new front office guys/coaches/etc. tend to migrate towards the star of the team at the time if their hire, especially if it’s a guy that is a SUPERstar like Chris Paul. I can already see the press conference offering Dan Gilbert like quotes, ’We’re committed to winning and bring New Orleans a championship by building around the outstanding pieces we already have.’
I’m sure he’ll tell people he’ll do whatever Chris wants to bring them a winner and the key is to building around CP3, Collison, and Thornton. I actually prefer that Shinn stays awhile longer either without a GM or he hires Pritchard, who I think would be willing to deal for some of the pieces we have.
Shinn
Based on the article, Shinn doesn’t want to deal Paul but the prospective buyer is open to it. But who knows …
by Bring Back Primoz on Jul 16, 2010 1:21 PM EDT reply actions
I think we are over assuming it's Chris Paul
That was James’ original idea, but him and ODWC never mentioned Paul when talking about their sources. Somewhere I think we’ve mentally bridged the two.
All I have heard is that Paul is interested in playing in another dream team like scenario. Meaning when his contract is up, he’s most likely to follow the mold of LeBron and Bosh and leave his team. Unless Jordan’s plan also involves another star in addition to Paul, then I don’t think he’d be happy here. And I don’t think MJ and LB are going to do all this to just briefly have his services.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
by southtunnel on Jul 16, 2010 1:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Maybe..
the fact that Paul and MJ are friends would help him decide to stay together with the actions we are trying to take right now through trades by trying to get higher profile players in Charlotte??? The effort to put a first class product on the floor may sway CP3s decidion to leave when his contract is up.
Of course all of this is assuming that CP3 is who we are really trying to get.
by AnotherRealm on Jul 16, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
I never really forgot about it, but after thinking things through with how NO is trying to cut costs and the idea of a PG/C combo in a trade where one of them is a superstar, the Paul scenario was the one that made the most sense. It could be that we were all completely wrong and there was another one that we didn’t see.
Also, I think it’s pretty funny the way “the next big trio” talk has exploded. I don’t think Melo and Chris Paul are all that serious about going to NYC. Melo would have to forsake his place in Denver, go to NY and slog it out with Amar’e, probably making the playoffs as a 6 seed for a year in the hopes that Chris Paul joins them a year later to make the team a contender. Melo seems to be very comfortable in Denver, and just doesn’t seem all that interested in leaving as far as I can tell. But over the last 2 days, I’ve seen it go from people laughing it off, to people already talking about who else could join them there, who else would be veterans looking for a ring that would sign with them for minimum contracts, and all that.
The media = sensationalism = a good laugh for me.
[of course I’m not ruling it out completely, I just think that it’s just as likely that Melo signs a minimum contract to play for Miami as this happening at this point]
Well...
I would have to say that there is probably some semblence of truth to it somewhere. I feel like the CP3 trade to Charlotte has popped up on the web and Twitter too many times to just be conjecture. I just did a search on Twitter and saw more stuff out there. Granted it is not by GMs but rather normal people, but they have to have heard it from somewhere, right?
I agree, the sensationalism definitely adds comedic value. Kinda funny how ESPN has changed over the years from “reporting” sports news to throwing hype at every little thing to come across the wire. Most stories they run now would be dead long before they currently are SOLELY because of them. They pick something (ie: LeBron’s decision, Clemen’s Steriods, etc) and just keep throwing hype at it until the next thing comes along.
by AnotherRealm on Jul 16, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
you know I actually had an interesting thought on Melo
About Chicago putting together some kind of sign and trade together next summer that gets them Melo, sends Deng and about half a dozen draft picks and cash considerations to Denver. How does that sound? Rose, Melo, Taj, Boozer, Noah…..and whoever they find to play SG, Reddick maybe.
Well....
Reddick is being re-signed by Orlando. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5385470). And I would much prefer to hold the vision of Melo in a Bobcats uniform rather than a Bulls uniform…
by AnotherRealm on Jul 16, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
me too
but like I said, it was a thought, and a not terribly far fetched one(if Chicago could offer enough other incentives to make up for Deng’s contract)
I really thought Orlando would let Reddick go. Did they do it because they’re scared Chicago becomes better than them with that signing? Now they pretty much have no room at all to sign anyone else. So Barnes is gone. That may be Chicago’s next offer. See if Orlando tries to match that one.
You may be right
about Orlando thinking Chicago would be better than them if they allowed Chicago to sign Reddick. They could also be thinking about team chemistry too. It says in the article that Orlando is “even deeper into the luxury tax” with the signing of Reddick. So, I think they will let Barnes walk.
Just a thought:
Does anyone think that Barnes would be a decent pickup for us?
by AnotherRealm on Jul 16, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
decent
He’s a 6-7 SG/SF combo that has good length. He’s a decent scorer, decent rebounder, and an above average defender. He looked pretty good playing for the Magic last year. Isn’t a very good shooter (around 31% from 3’s last year I think), and can’t always beat a guy to the basket, but I don’t think he’s reached his peak yet. He doesn’t make too many mistakes on offense and the rest of his game is solid. I don’t know how well that fits with what we already have(or will have by the time the season starts), so it’s hard to say.
What is the deadline for parts 3 and 4 to happen
Don’t know if there is one, just checking. I fit doesn’t get done today might we be looking for backup deals?
Just a thought
If it is CP3 that we are after, it could all be contingent on whats going on with the ownership situation in NO. Maybe they make a GIGANTIC splash by announcing the settlement of the ownership thing and then trading CP3!!!
C’mon George… YOU OWE US!!!!
by AnotherRealm on Jul 16, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Midnight Las Vegas time is what I've been told.
Yes, there are backup plans… numerous ones, between 5-8 is what I’m led to believe.
I know of one, and will be glad to post it tomorrow along with what I’ve heard. I’m only saying tomorrow because I doubt I’ll be up at 3 a.m to post.
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by James The Aussie on Jul 16, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
James...so are you saying
that we should be looking for something tonight or tomorrow whether it be the big deal or one of the backup plans? I don’t want you to be put in an awkward position like Ourday and get some chump sending you nasty emails, but I am just looking for some clarification.
It could take weeks for backup plans to occur.
The only trade I know of that has a deadline is the ‘big one’.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
by James The Aussie on Jul 16, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
"The big one"....
Just reading that is making me even more anxious!!! Cant wait!
by AnotherRealm on Jul 16, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmmmm
Could what we are experiencing right now be the “calm before the storm”????
Hey James & OurDay… where are you guys hiding? Better yet, why LOL
Friday
Probably just Friday with good weather. I bet MJ is playing golf today anyway …. :)
by Bring Back Primoz on Jul 16, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
he's still in Vegas
I think it’s over 110 there today. Not the best weather for golf.
Could be worse
Could be playing golf in Scotland with 35 mph winds
by Bring Back Primoz on Jul 16, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
and steady rain
the afternoon scores look like they’re in trouble
and sheep
--(insert quote, lyric, or joke here)
by StudMuffin15 on Jul 16, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Like I said from day one...
I’ve been told that silence is a good thing… but that doesn’t mean I’m sweating a little as this gets closer to the deadline.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
by James The Aussie on Jul 16, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
“not sweating a little”
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
by James The Aussie on Jul 16, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I would have to agree
It does always seem like rumors swirl around abotu something happening and then it quiet about it, then it gets announced.
Dear Lord,
Please help your faithful Bobcats fans with some awesome trades that allow us to spank the Tri Lambdas down in Miami out of the playoffs next year. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
by AnotherRealm on Jul 16, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Twitter...
I’m told Hornets see hiring of marquee name like Pritch as means to send message to CP3 that they long to keep him and rebuild around him (Twitter)
-hoopshype.com
The only thing
about that is… who is doing the hiring?? If it is Shinn, it really wont matter once the new ownership takes effect. Know what I mean?
by AnotherRealm on Jul 16, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
Shinn: “We’re never going to trade you. See, we got this nice new shiny GM for you. cough bythewayI’msellingtheteam cough”
Haaaaaaaaa
Yup!!! Sounds pretty accurate to me. Shinn is such an a$$hole. Just thinking about what he did in Charlotte makes me mad all over again. Scumbag!!!
by AnotherRealm on Jul 16, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Whats Up
Hey ROF, I am new here and I post on Carolina Huddle under the same user name as this one. I just wanted to see what time all of us at Carolina Huddle need to have our tv on tonight. Btw way thank you so much James and OurDay for your info the boys at Carolina Huddle really enjoy it and for the rest of ROF you guys are welcome at Carolina Huddle anytime.
by CarolinaPanthers8789 on Jul 16, 2010 3:20 PM EDT reply actions
Got a link
to the Carolina Huddle board?
by AnotherRealm on Jul 16, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Carolina Huddle
Or you can go to www.CarolinaHuddle.com
by CarolinaPanthers8789 on Jul 16, 2010 3:31 PM EDT reply actions
me
@cardboardgerald
Lemonade was a popular drink and it still is,
I get more props and stunts than Bruce Willis
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by WhatAboutBob_cats on Jul 16, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice
I was looking at your layout yesterday (without knowing it was yours, obviously) and I was laughing. I like the cardboard gerald!! LOL Very cool.
Im @Another_Realm
by AnotherRealm on Jul 16, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks! I gotcha with the follow
Lemonade was a popular drink and it still is,
I get more props and stunts than Bruce Willis
- Guru, of Gangstarr
by WhatAboutBob_cats on Jul 16, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Time
Hey Another Realm when James said 5-8, did he mean friday or saturday?
by CarolinaPanthers8789 on Jul 16, 2010 4:42 PM EDT reply actions
He meant 5-8 backup plans, not a time
Lemonade was a popular drink and it still is,
I get more props and stunts than Bruce Willis
- Guru, of Gangstarr
by WhatAboutBob_cats on Jul 16, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
?
That wasn’t time…
I am led to believe there are 5-8 other backup trades that are available. Whether they’ll take any of them, I don’t know.
I know of one backup plan right now, and I’ll let people know that one tomorrow.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
by James The Aussie on Jul 16, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh my bad
Is there a possibility something happens tonight?
I like Bobcats’ Christmas’
by CarolinaPanthers8789 on Jul 16, 2010 4:46 PM EDT reply actions
Silence is good right now for that big deal to go down…remember no one knew anything and all of a sudden Livingston was a Bobcat
You speak the truth
Silence is good. Its not really helping my excitement, but its good. lol
by AnotherRealm on Jul 16, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for everything
Alright, well thank you guys for everything you have done, and if you ever want to, feel free to stop by Carolina Huddle.
by CarolinaPanthers8789 on Jul 16, 2010 4:56 PM EDT reply actions
James...
quick question…in these “back-up” plans we are still keeping Crash right?
The only one I know of does not involve Crash.
I think it’s safe to assume that for someone to get Wallace from Charlotte it would take a significant deal. All talent aside, I don’t think you can find a better level of production v. cost per season in the entire NBA.
Think about this for a second: Wallace is going to make $9.8 million this season, Vince Carter is going to make $17.5…. I know who I would rather for the price.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
by James The Aussie on Jul 16, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Dampier Decision Soon?
Likely reaching but Dampier hinted that he expects to know something this weekend on the Bobcats’ plans for him:
“Dampier said Higgins has expressed interest in possibly re-signing him if they void his deal. He expects discussions to heat up this weekend.”
by Bring Back Primoz on Jul 16, 2010 5:28 PM EDT reply actions
Link about Dampier
btw is it me or have alot of new faces been posting lately? do not recognize alot of the names on the latest threads from our rosterbations earlier in the week
GSO
Was the assumption that these "deals" expire at 9pm correct?
Meaning we only have 2 more hours to get the deal done that’s been in the works?
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
Midnight Vegas time
3 a.m our time.
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
by James The Aussie on Jul 16, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Can you elaborate a bit?
Why is there a time limit at all? What exactly is going on from 9am to midnight? Maybe by midnight Shinn will be drunk and loopy, trading away players like their baseball cards.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
If Shaun Livington can play basketball after his leg came off in that fall
I think Ourday needs to see his Doctor. That doc must be amazing.
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