A trade scenario that would make Michael Jordan a local God!

Personally, I'm over the "Hornets" name

I’m sure some may agree with you, and I might even be in the minority, but I’m quite OK with the Bobcats franchise name and color scheme.

Now, the trade itself? Brilliant. If this is the end result, I’m ecstatic. I for one was quite content with Okafor’s “quiet double doubles,” and even if he hit his ceiling years ago, he’s relatively young, not prone to injury (that yoga has to be good for something), and consistently solid. Also, we keep Wallace, Henderson, & Brown, who are 3 players I’m most concerned about losing (I don’t think Thomas is on the table).

I think the trade itself is sufficient for resurrection purposes.

by Newsinz on Jul 15, 2010 8:32 AM EDT reply actions

I'd imagine most here are over it

I’ll follow the team either way. But our numbers are few. It’s all the people who use to be Hornets-crazy, but now care less about the Bobcats who Jordan would be targeting.

I’ve said it before, nothing sells a sports franchise like history. And we’d have that back.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Jul 15, 2010 8:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions

I'm not one to hold grudges...

But Charlotte Shinn Kickers has a certain ring to it.

Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.

by James Dator on Jul 15, 2010 8:43 AM EDT reply actions

Hmmm

Visualizing what the logo would be puts a smile on my face.

by Newsinz on Jul 15, 2010 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions

That would be an unbelievable trade!

But I do believe NO would want Crash mixed in with the offer. I would hate to see him go, but getting CP3 AND Okafor back would be awesome! Okafor isn’t a bad player at all. Yes, he is over-paid and isn’t a typical Larry Brown type player, but he IS an asset, not a liability. And CP3…what’s not to love!?! I would just hope it isn’t just a rental with the rumblings of him wanting to go to NYC to form a trio of his own…

I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed. - Michael Jordan

by Cody Ledford on Jul 15, 2010 8:54 AM EDT reply actions

And the Hornets franchise would be nice too...

but I think most people are comfortable with the Bobcats now and as long as there is a winning product, most people would be satisfied!

I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed. - Michael Jordan

by Cody Ledford on Jul 15, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions

James,

Have you heard anything from your source by chance? You mentioned something about a play in left field that may or may not explain anything? The party really died quick yesterday…

I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed. - Michael Jordan

by Cody Ledford on Jul 15, 2010 9:09 AM EDT reply actions

I have heard a few things. But I’m being overly cautious now for the sake of my reputation and that of this blog.

I stick by my previous statements:
- I haven’t heard anything is dead.
- If a trade goes through that impacts what I heard I will divulge
- If by Friday night/Saturday morning we’ve heard nothing I’ll create a post outlining what I was told.

Until then I’m waiting and watching like everyone else.

Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.

by James Dator on Jul 15, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions

BTW if you didn't pick up on it

That was me that friended you on Facebook. Put a face with a name the next time we quarrel over Panther stats ;)

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Jul 15, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions

I figured man!

I don’t accept friend requests without a reasonable understanding of who the person is.

Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.

by James Dator on Jul 15, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions

do you have a twitter that I could DM you through? I’m trying to think of ways to find you on facebook so that you don’t have to divulge any personal public information.

Lemonade was a popular drink and it still is,
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by Ben Swanson on Jul 15, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions

@jamestheaussie

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by James Dator on Jul 15, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions

Friend me on Facebook?

You can search the name…I think my pic is of my family and I at my birthday…

by andrewlail76 on Jul 15, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions

Okay!

Thanks for the update, and I don’t blame you one bit for being cautious!

I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed. - Michael Jordan

by Cody Ledford on Jul 15, 2010 9:26 AM EDT reply actions

I doubt

NO would do this, as they’re clearly wanting to dump salary and go young… Dampier’s contract is gold to them, and DJ would work nicely for what they want, but why would they want Diaw? It would almost certainly have to include G-Force or Hendo.

by adamcawa on Jul 15, 2010 9:59 AM EDT reply actions

something I found intresting Hoops World had an article posted about Luther Head. Basically his agent is pissed off because NO withdrew their offer. His Agent said that Head is perfectly Healthy. I guess we all already knew this but shows NO is up to something.

by Bcat2.0 on Jul 15, 2010 12:30 PM EDT reply actions

DISCLAMER: Based on nothing but my opinion

If Head’s agent is being truthful this is a really, really dirty move by New Orleans. If they tried to ‘find’ an injury, just to void a previously agreed upon deal it’s putting the player’s career in jeopardy when he didn’t do anything wrong.

I read a report that the players union would be looking into it, so maybe we’ll know the truth soon.

Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.

by James Dator on Jul 15, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions

thats what im thinking as well,

theres just WAYYY too much stuff going on for a potential trade to go down. James and Ourday were certainly onto something.
theres no way that NO has a day as busy as yesterday (losing their GM; dropping Luther Head; Bobcats picking up Shaun Livingston) and NOT pull something off.
it only makes sense that they dont take Luther Head for a number of reasons: roster space, better talent, and money.

i still say that we be patient and wait for something on Friday.

--(insert quote, lyric, or joke here)

by StudMuffin15 on Jul 15, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions

They turned down an offer of Marcin Gortat + Jameer Nelson + Vince Carter

For CP3, Okafor, and contracts to match. That is two quality all-star starting players and a serviceable starting center plus mega cap relief at the end of this season. Pretty sure he won’t be traded this year, if ever.

by MagicMark on Jul 15, 2010 10:21 PM EDT reply actions

That's a crappy trade

Vince isn’t as good as he used to be, Nelson may be better than Felton but he’s no all star. And Gortat is a decent 2nd stringer.

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by Ben Swanson on Jul 15, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions

Except Nelson was an All-Star. Gortat has per minute numbers that are right below that of Dwight's (in rebounding and blocked shots) but not points.

You aren’t even trading your first or second best player in the deal. Jameer, Vince and Gortat would give them immensely more production value than Augustin and Diaw.

by MagicMark on Jul 15, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm not sure where you're getting any deal from

but there has been no confirmation of any players in a trade to NO. Vince has a few years left and less I forget he shrinks whenever the spolight gets on him in pressure situations. For 16 mil/yr I don’t see the Hornets wanting that. It’s sad that Nelson can be considered an all star pg when he’s never averaged more than 6 apg. You know how many other players had more assists than him that 08-09 season? 67 people. Oh you want to go by assists per game because he only played 42 games? Fine. 22nd. Let’s see who was ahead of him? Ramon Sessions, Earl Watson, Stephen Jackson, Raymond Felton, Chris Duhon, and many more. How many point guards were above him were from the East? And I’m not counting Arenas’ two games. 9 Eastern point guards: Calderon, Rondo, Duhon, Harris, Felton, Andre Miller, Billups, Rose, and Sessions. WHAT AN ALL STAR! Nelson is good, but he ain’t as good as you think. And Gortat is decent but you cannot use per minute stats to support any argument. Example: Ian Mahinmi’s per 36 minutes from 2007-08: 33 points, 6 bpg, and 8 rpg.

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by Ben Swanson on Jul 16, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions

Also...

After Howard bangs the opposing center into the ground…any big body looks OK against another team’s starting center…

by andrewlail76 on Jul 16, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions

Plus per minute stats are terrible

It makes bad players look better in comparison to good players

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by Ben Swanson on Jul 16, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions

So now people are given all-star selections by how many assists they average?

You might have missed the fact that he was shooting 50% from the field and 45% from 3 that season. He was the best shooting guard in the league that year, until his injury. I believe he also had the highest true shooting percentage in the league as well.

by MagicMark on Jul 16, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions

Problem is it appears that season was the exception, not the rule for Jameer Nelson.

Don’t get me wrong, Jameer is a top 15 PG and schooled Felton in the playoffs, but he had a good season at the right time when he made the all-star team.

Is Mo Williams a perennial all-star? Or was his selection a one off?

Of these two players, which one of these players would you want leading your team based on their 2009-10 season (per 36)?

1: 15.8 ppg, 6.8 apg, 0.449 FG , 0.381 3P %
2: 16.1 ppg, 7.4 apg, 0.477 FG, 0.400 3P%

Just tell me, player one or player two.

Bonus cookie for people who can tell me who the players are.

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by James Dator on Jul 16, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions

Bobcats Fan here sticking up for Nelson. Allstar selections have more to do with the Teams success than stats. I think Nelson is more of an Allstar than Mo. If Nelson needed to put up more numbers i believe he could. He is on a team with alot of weapons his stats would be better if he was relide upon to do more.

by Bcat2.0 on Jul 16, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions

I think by now people know Mo Williams isn't that good.

I know Jameer is player #1. Don’t know #2, probably Williams. Nelson also got injured again in the 09-10 season. He spent a good quarter of the season re-aclimating himself. His shooting percentage came back up after getting back into game shape. Most reasonably Magic fans knew that the 08-09 season for Nelson was going to be an extreme outlier. He was never that good of a shooter before and probably will never shoot that well again, but that doesn’t take away anything from what he did that season.

by MagicMark on Jul 16, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions

Player number 2 is Darren Collison, player 1 was Jameer Nelson

All I’m getting at is I don’t really see why the Hornets would want Jameer Nelson, when if they would entertain trading CP3 it would only be because they feel they have someone who could carry the load.

If the supposition is that Nelson will have a statistical improvement being back from injury, then we can only assume that Collison will have an equal or better improvement from spending more time in the NBA.

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by James Dator on Jul 16, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions

Fine whatever

You want to say Nelson is a perennial all star, fine. But no way the Hornets would trade a superstar and a mediocre center for an aging wimp with a huge contract, a good pg, and another mediocre center.

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I get more props and stunts than Bruce Willis
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by Ben Swanson on Jul 16, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions