Who's in charge of the Bobcats' personnel decisions right now?
Thank you, James the Aussie, for this comment:
Riddle me this:
If the two reasons cited for the Raptors/Bobcats trade to be killed were:
- Larry Brown didn’t want to give up Chandler
- Larry Brown didn’t like the idea of a defensively weak PG (Calderon)Then how do you get his blessing to give up Tyson Chandler and Alexis Ajinca, leaving him decimated at center so Jordan can save a buck?
I don't know. They've got to be looking at trading Dampier for a PG or a C, and if they can't they'll just buy him out and take the savings.
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i dont get it
Why would any team trade a star player for cap space, when they can simply trade that star player for draft picks (and thusly cap space and a fresh start) instead?
Dampier’s contract seems worthless to me.
We're not done yet.
Dampier has the most valuable contract in the league right now. Getting it is what made this a fair trade. Chandler is obviously the most talented of the bunch, but Carrol and Najera can both fill roles on the team as 3 point specialist off the bench. Dampier’s contract will be shipped off for a PG and C. Possibly Dampier + Nazr for Gilbert Arenas + Andray Blatche.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jul 13, 2010 5:17 PM EDT reply actions
I guess
People keep saying that the Dampier contract is incredibly valuable and will bring in a boatload of assets, but the best that Dallas could get for it was Tyson Chandler. If they weren’t able to turn it into much, then how are the Bobcats going to have more luck?
The Mavericks were almost able to get Jefferson with it.
Utah was the only team that could put a better deal out there because they could absorb his contract for nothing. Don’t think they got a bad deal out of this. We’re taking on Carrol and Najera’s deals. They are getting a player that they actually need and is still 13 million off the cap. Tyson was very valuable.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jul 13, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Correction... Dallas as able to get Jefferson with it
The Wolves were ready to make he trade for Dampier straight up, but Dallas insisted that Najera and Carroll were included, which killed the deal.
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Well, there ya go.
That shows that Dampier’s contract still has enough value. Like I said, we’re doing Dallas a huge favor in taking Carrol and Najera off of their books. The thing about them though is they actually fill a void on our team. Dampier’s contract was the key prize in this deal. Not Chandler.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jul 13, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
True.
Now we need to find the perfect trade to dump Dampier. Coming soom I am sure.
No way we cut that valuable contract.
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Jul 13, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
they would have to if
this deal falls through and it turns out that MJ did in fact kill any relations he had with other owners.
Alright... I just got off the phone with my guy who is leaving TWC after working 28 of the last 48 hrs
We had a long conversation and much of it was very vague, because either he couldn’t tell me, or he’s not really sure.
So, here’s what I know:
- The Calderon trade is not dead. There is still a possibility he will be a Charlotte Bobcat, but relations are very strained between Charlotte and Toronto. He doesn’t know for sure, but he suspects that Toronto was going to use Chandler to pull the exact same trade with Dallas tomorrow using some of their trade exception to get Dampier, Carroll and Najera. They wanted to cut more cap space and the Bobcats got wind of it, killing the trade and beating them to the punch- Toronto are not happy about this. Again, this is his personal speculation.
- There is a greater trade in the works, but today’s deal gives them more options. The Bobcats needed some of Toronto’s trade exception to pull the deal off, now they figure they can force the issue with Toronto as they have all the pieces the Raptor’s wanted, or work the deal independent of anything with Toronto due to Dampier’s deal.
- Going through the Raptors is not 100% neccesary for this deal to take place, but he no longer has any clue who this deal involves. He said that ‘the number crunchers are in Charlotte and the decision makers are in Las Vegas’.
- The Bobcats have 60 days to cut or trade Dampier.
- MJ, Larry Brown and Rod Higgins are all working together on these roster moves, but MJ and LB seem to be the only one’s really signing off on anything, Higgins appears to be fetching deals.
- He told me he ‘honestly doesn’t know’ if Chris Paul is a target, but those were the water cooler grumblings at TWC today.
- Deals we’re seeing in the day are the product of meetings in Vegas during the night. We’ll keep seeing stuff throughout the day, but most of that will be smokescreens for what we see in the afternoon.
- If everything falls through with all of the trades then Dampier will be cut. He is the safety valve where the Bobcats can still wheel and deal but get close to the cap if the house of cards falls down.
- He reiterated that the team still want an elite PG and an elite C, but the chances of getting both appear slim.
- Everything is going well, and this Dampier trade was not a desperation move on Charlotte’s behalf. It was rushed through the league office to ensure the Bobcats had everything in place to resume negotiations tonight knowing exactly what pieces they have to trade.
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James
youve saved me from a heart attack…. slightly…
i seriously am confused by this week in the FO. i could see there being more moves down the pipeline, but to me it would be all fantasy.
my guesses/speculations are this:
the team will go after a PG before a C, and among the PGs we may be looking at, here are my top 3 guesses (in no specific order)
Chris Paul
Gilbert Arenas
Jose Calderon
the most likely of the three seems to be Calderon, but with Damps’ contract, i could see a massive push for CP3 happening. that very well may be the target, but i always hold my doubts of it actually happening.
it does seem like this is just the quiet before the storm though… lets hope we’re right.
it also appears that Ourday is our other spout of info for the next 24 hours
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by StudMuffin15 on Jul 13, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
If we are going after CP3 of Arenas then why would we need the Raptors for anything? or if we do get Calderon what Big man would we the go after?
the Robin Lopez speculation is interesting
and i would assume that Toronto would give him up to save cap space. maybe then we can give them Diaw while possibly sending Damps contract to Washington. also, Washington may give Toronto a PG.
not sure how everything would work, but thats my rough draft of a possibility. maybe Calderon also goes to Washington.
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by StudMuffin15 on Jul 13, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Calderon
I’m not crazy about combo guards, I prefer pass first point guards.
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Salting the earth:
The Hornets are parted ways with general manager Jeff Bower, according to team sources.
It appears to have been a mutual decision.
For those following, Bower was the only man who said there was ‘no way’ they would trade Chris Paul. Perhaps he got word they’re trading him and decided to leave?
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How this could work:
Keep in mind that this is not a 4 team trade, just adjusted to 4 because the machine isn’t updated and realgm’s trade checker doesn’t include Dampier’s contract provisions.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=249nt4r
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Also, this nugget emerged:
Blazers have been involved in trade talks with teams since the start of June and that has not stopped, even after Matthews offer.
Blazers are operating under the assumption that Matthews will be retained by Jazz. Portland has a Plan B in place if that happens.
Perhaps Greg Oden and Jerryd Bayless to Charlotte for Dampier and something?
That would allow Portland to reduce their payroll significantly
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If we trade for Greg Oden
We can dedicate and entire night’s blog to penis jokes.
Inserted here.
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Jul 13, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
seconded
Lemonade was a popular drink and it still is,
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Wow... this from Hoopsworld via twitter (it should be noted that they've been really on top of this)
With Bower gone, all bets are off regarding Chris Paul. Earlier in the week, there was no chance of Paul getting dealt. Now? Not so sure.
Let’s put our conspiracy theory hats on, shall we?
What if the Bobcats found out Bower was going to be leaving? The only other teams that could offer a better trade package for Chris Paul are Portland (who now have their money tied up in an offer sheet) and Dallas (who no longer have Dampier’s deal, which gave them the edge).
The opportunity is there to make this happen with Dampier, Nazr and Hendo for Paul and Okafor… let’s see what happens
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Let me add that if Charlotte knew the news would break about Bower at 5 p.m. CDT then it was imperative to push Dallas’ deal through ASAP, because surely they would back out with the deal with Charlotte if they thought Paul was attainable.
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How about Dampier, McGuire, and Diaw
For CP3 and Okafor?
Diop too if they want him
by andrewlail76 on Jul 13, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
They wouldn't take Diop... neither with McGuire
Here is the only way I see this going down, and add a 1st rounder to New Orleans:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=264jrua
The only way you could possibly ever sell the fan base on this deal is talking up ‘how you shed salary cap while getting two former first round picks and a 1st rounder’.
Carroll serves as the off bench replacement for Henderson
Okafor and Diop are the centers
You sign a minimum contract player to back up Paul
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Hmmmm...
You are quickly making a believer out of me.
With the return of Matt Carroll and Okafor...
Big things
You know the chemistry that was there with those 2…
Must come away with a PG and a C. Is there another senarior or team, other than NO where both pieces could be gotten in a single deal?
Other possible scenarios:
- Portland for Bayless and Oden
- Indiana for Ford and Hibbert
- Denver for Nene and Billups (gives them cap room to get a max level player for Carmelo in 2011)
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duh?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I like 2 and 3
But isn’t 2 a 1 year rental of TJ?
by andrewlail76 on Jul 13, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think
any of those are terrible
Oden and TJ come with major health concerns though, but when they’re healthy they’re both good players. A risk that could pay off.
I just heard an absolutely INSANE trade rumor... absolutely, wildly, intensely INSANE
From another friend in New York, doesn’t work for the Bobcats but has his finger on the pulse of the NBA.
I don’t want to say anything in case this doesn’t come true… so I will tell you this much:
This deal he heard about through an ‘unnamed league source’ would require us trading Gerald Wallace but I assume you, the payoff would make the Bobcats be relevant and in title contention.
He told me this deal would be ‘damn near impossible’ to happen, but he said that his source tells his it has been mentioned in Las Vegas, and was not shot down immediately. If this is step four, then I tell you I got goosebumps when I heard and will tell everyone later in the week if it doesn’t happen.
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Also, it checks out in the trade machine....
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Thats kind of the point. If my Bobcats source is correct and this deal could be shot down in a second it’s too important to leak early.
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I don't know how I could be more specific without someone working it out...
When he told me I called absolute BS…. but then he explained to me the rationale and it made more sense.
I don’t think there is a snowballs chance, but if there is… wow.
It’s win/win… either the deal is done and you find out, or I tell you Friday what was mentioned. I can tell you that it also solves why the Toronto deal was killed by MJ without the coach and GM knowing… it came up at the last second.
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Yes, it really would.
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I'd hate to see him go
but if the pieces are right, it’d be hard to complain.
Very true
It is a business
and you do what you have to do tomake a business reach the next level, though it would be odd to imagine a replacement to exceed him…
by andrewlail76 on Jul 13, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Like losing Muggsy Bogues
or Dell Curry
by andrewlail76 on Jul 13, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Muggsy didn't have any knee cartilage left
Hornets told him it was time to retire and he went on to play another 2-3 years in Golden State and then Toronto.
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Jul 13, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't forget Gran-ma-ma! Them' were tha days
And I heard an announcer once call Kansas City’s Larry Johnson ‘Gran-ma-ma’. Pretty amazing that Charlotte basketball made such a buzz back then that something like that became so well known.
Memoriessss…
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yeah, but.....
it would suck if the Toronto trade was killed and they get nothing for it just because of a longshot chance ata blockbuster. Still, I guess that’s business. I have to say I’m glad they’re actually trying to get something big.
I agree... but my Bobcats guy said it wasn't necessarily dead
So maybe that’ll be the trade of last resort?
If I see one move that guarantees the failure of this big deal I will let everyone know ASAP
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true
but like you said, aparently Toronto is not happy with Charlotte at the moment, so that could make the trade harder, or make their price go up when dealing with us. I still like the Diaw/Nazr for Calderon one though. Brings in a good PG for a backup C and a player everyone seems to want to be rid of.
I can probably drop one more piece of info that's safe
If this goes through don’t expect to see a 1st round pick in a long, long time
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I can't think of a single person
That warrants GForce and multiple future 1st round picks.
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by southtunnel on Jul 13, 2010 7:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Are we trading for Jesus?
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by southtunnel on Jul 13, 2010 7:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Stallone wasn't too bad in it, but not a favorite movie of mine
by andrewlail76 on Jul 13, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
DAMMITTOHELLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!
James, I was told last night at about 2:30 in the morning that the main scenario had Wallace on the block. It blew my circuits completely and I went to bed in frustration.
I’m getting very scared.
by Ourdaywillcome on Jul 13, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t be…. our day, what’s your email?
Let me run this by you real quick
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James, you on Facebook?
Might be easier than an email
by andrewlail76 on Jul 13, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm opening facebook right now. Bruce Barker - pic is of me and Mugsy at the playoffs.
Come see me!
by Ourdaywillcome on Jul 13, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I just emailed you... sorry didn't get on FB
Feel free to come on here and tell people what you think, but please dont mention any specifics
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Throw me some light brother, I’m dying here.
by Ourdaywillcome on Jul 13, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Ourday...
just connect with him via Facebook
Better than email…
by andrewlail76 on Jul 13, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
wow
I guess it could be more of a reality than I thought. Still just feels wrong to think of the Bobcats without G Wallace.
I know right?
it’s just weird to think about. Like I said before though, if you have a chance at certain players in the league, I don’t think there’s a question of whether you give up Gerald Wallace. It’s a question of how to make the deal work.
I should say
give up Gerald Wallace without gutting the rest of the team.
Crash didn't do a bad job
LeBron hasn’t done well against the cats
They didn’t this past season
by andrewlail76 on Jul 13, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
understood...
I would see moving Jax before Crash
by andrewlail76 on Jul 13, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
but I don't see them
being able to get nearly as much out of S Jax in a trade.
No offense, but I'm still waiting for one of you guys sources to reveal something correctly
It seems like the guessing game right now, and the only guys we got are guys that nobody mentioned.
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by southtunnel on Jul 13, 2010 7:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
that's true
but if James was right, the Dallas deal came because Charlotte jumped over Charlotte to do it. And most of the Free agency trading deals start with blind speculation anyway, or so it seems.
I completely understand
Sadly we don’t have any other sources to cross reference this stuff… but I can promise you that more stuff is flying around that I haven’t mentioned.
I know what it feels like to get innundated with information and have to wade through the BS, but you should know me from CSR ST that I don’t normally blindly claim something unless there’s something to back it up
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I can't find you.
Just riddle me this.
Do you know anything about a very big meeting at a place in the MGM Grand called “The Mansion” taking place at 9 pm?
by Ourdaywillcome on Jul 13, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I emailed you... check it
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GOT IT!
Almost a match. A couple of the names are different on step 3 but the players that wind up in Charlotte are exact matches.
4 is a completely seperate animal from 3 but 3 is the insurance.
by Ourdaywillcome on Jul 13, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
hey in that case I'm in Europe...
can I also get an invite? lol
I work for a company that has a plant in Tijuana...
I can give you a few names of guys you can talk to. They know noting of the Bobcats…but if you’re lonely…you can talk to them…
by andrewlail76 on Jul 13, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Shoot me an email and I'll let you know if my sources match
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My NY source didn't mention it
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I know you're not
Just wish something would go ahead and happen that we can get excited about.
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by southtunnel on Jul 13, 2010 8:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I cant think of anyone that would make us tittle contenders asap...
okay I usually just read comments and barely respond b/c of hectic school schedule…but this blockbuster trade James is talking about it is driving me crazy…James does this trade involve multiple teams?
Seperate trades
It follows the ‘step 3’ then ‘step 4’ idea
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oh okay...thank you sir
would this trade put us right behind the heat or possibly ahead of them?
If this all goes through
our hearts are going to be broken but we are going to become top 3 in the Eastern Conference. Bank that.
by Ourdaywillcome on Jul 13, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I can say that it’s in my opinion that the Bobcats could contend for an NBA title
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Jordan don't play...
Unless winning is an option
by andrewlail76 on Jul 13, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
whats going on I have been on here ALL day...who could it possibly be?
wish I knew what you know :(
Okay I'm now getting super excited...
I hope everything goes according to the plan
oh man
it sounds complicated and with risks of falling through. Would it be really bad if step 3 happened bet step 4 fell through? or would step 3 be something that wouldn’t destroy the team even if step 4 didn’t happen. I’ve seen a couple like that, where several steps are needed, but they don’t all work and a team is left in the dark with one candle that’s got about 3 minutes before it burns out and leaves you in dark and despair.
I can say that step 4 is almost a guarantee if 3 happens, but if it didn’t we’d be happy with 3.
If both fall through it’s not great
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I can also say that I’ve been told:
- Step 3 is about a 30% chance
- Step 4 is an 85% chance if 3 occurs
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Break out the duct tape boys...
Let’s bond this together…duct tape holds everything
by andrewlail76 on Jul 13, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, I just watched a Mythbusters episode on duct tape a few days ago
it’s nearly indestructible
does that mean that the Dallas trade was step 2?
then what was step 1? Man I’m already confused and it sounds like the rest would be even more confusing.
What I heard
We’re either doing the Electric Slide
or the boot scoot boogie…
by andrewlail76 on Jul 13, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
man I need dance lessons
cause I don’t know what that means
And, I can’t dance.
Me either...I just know the songs...
don’t make me learn the steps…
by andrewlail76 on Jul 13, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I can talk about what has happened
Step one was resigning Tyrus Thomas and frontloading his contract
Step two was getting either a trade exception or Erick Dampier
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Step 3 is trading Dampier and G-Force
for Kobe and Gasol.
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Jul 13, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
Lemonade was a popular drink and it still is,
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I can't give specifics. James and I have almost identical information.
Our contacts differ in only minor areas involve one small part of stage 3. He has a minor player and I have “cash or trade considerations”
Keeping my mouth shut is killing me.
Jordan’s ego is a MAJOR factor. If this happens it will be because of it. If it crashes it will be because he reached too far too fast and stepped on too many toes to do it.
by Ourdaywillcome on Jul 13, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes... Jordan has really pissed off some people in NBA circles
I don’t know if bridges are completely burned, but they’re singed thats for sure
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just to ask
if you or James know, is there any kind of backup plan in case “the big one” fails, or is it save salary cap at that point?
There's always a plan B...
See my above offer
by andrewlail76 on Jul 13, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
but do you look good in orange?
that’s my only question
Nah...
I look better in the Blue…
accentuates my eyes
by andrewlail76 on Jul 13, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
Cutting Dampier and getting as close to the cap as possible will be the backup plan.
Possibly a player or two moving, but nothing has been discussed
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I don't know
at that point, using Damp’s contract with Diaw’s would be about the only way to get rid of him. And not many teams would buy it.
And maybe talk of everyone wanting him gone could be that motivation he’s been missing. Either that or he’ll just be pissed and not want to play anymore.
More or less
Jordan is a gambling man, and I like his gamble.
Even if it backfires I tip my hand that he’s trying for this one.
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I just can't believe Barkley wants to make a comeback
by andrewlail76 on Jul 13, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
The Cable Box, it rocks, it rocks
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Speaking of the 5 Bucks Box
Is Bogut going to be OK next season. I don’t like Milwaukee competing with us for playoff seeding.
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Jul 13, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think the injury he had
would slow him down, but he is somewhat injury prone. He has had back spasms a number of times that has kept him out a number of games. Plus with the couple of signings they had already, I think they are at least a 5-6 seed in the east right now.
If this falls apart
Stage 3 we might still finagle stage 4.
If 4 falls through it’s straight money dumping time and we’re wandering in the wilderness looking for the Promised Land.
by Ourdaywillcome on Jul 13, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Curious!
I didn’t know 4 had a shot without 3… wow… still excited
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that would suck
how does another 1st round sweep sound?
Coincedince?
Certainly doesn’t sound like it.
I have about 5 more mins then I'm heading to dinner with the wife
I’ll be on much later tonight to answer any questions and by then I will hope we have some news on step 3
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oh how will our bench look?
is this trade just working for starters or also bench players?
It will contain several chairs...
Some will be filled with guys that shouldn’t be in the NBA, and others that are decent coming off of the bench
by andrewlail76 on Jul 13, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
so shitty second unit..
might hurt us in the finals…okay I think I might be getting ahead of myself
we will talk about the finals after..lol
Why do they call it a bench if it is a bunch of comfy chairs?
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Jul 13, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha!
“Once injuries surmounted they just didn’t have deep enough comfy chairs”
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I honestly can't answer that
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I'll come off the bench...
I’ll even do some Mascott work if need be…
by andrewlail76 on Jul 13, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks buddy for all the info
Enjoy your dinner :)
Wanted to give you a vague update
More elements of this deal are matching up between what I and ourday have heard. Stuff that happened in the past that lead up to this
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If my dirt is correct things are about to go very quiet
Untill about midnight our time. Smoke ’em if ya got ’em boys, and try not to bite off the fingernails.
by Ourdaywillcome on Jul 13, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Indeed
Silence on my end too, but honestly one of guys is at home chilling and the other is probably in a bar in NY.
I’ll definitely be on around midnight to see whats up
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I've now heard from 2 of my 3 people.
One has been home since about 6 but was told to be back in the office again by 11 pm – and leave his phone at home.
by Ourdaywillcome on Jul 13, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I only have one in the Cats... he's pretty low level
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WOW
i keep missing these info sessions.
James + Ourday = THE MEN.
--(insert quote, lyric, or joke here)
If this happens Jordan = THE MAN
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
I also blog the Panthers at Real Bits of Panthers
I can't say
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
I also blog the Panthers at Real Bits of Panthers
its that good eh?
really wish my old season tickets guy stayed with the Cats. he tipped us up on the pinstriped jerseys 2 years in advance.
but alas, i am without a source, and without (part time) season tickets.
--(insert quote, lyric, or joke here)
by StudMuffin15 on Jul 13, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
There'll be a Jordon coronation in the Queen City.
I do disagree on one thing with James.
I think Jordan is napalming bridges
When Charlotte has to rebuild in 3-5 years he’s not going to find many friends to help him.
by Ourdaywillcome on Jul 13, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
3-5 years may equal new owners...
But the world will end in 2012 so this is our 1 shot to win a title…
by andrewlail76 on Jul 13, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I can also tell you that it's probably going to be very quiet on the national front until step 3 drops like a bomb
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
I also blog the Panthers at Real Bits of Panthers
where do you put the possibility of step 3 happening?
based on your opinion.
--(insert quote, lyric, or joke here)
by StudMuffin15 on Jul 13, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
30% is what I've heard
Leaving for dinner now…. later gang
Cat Scratch Reader's resident optimist.
I also blog the Panthers at Real Bits of Panthers
IF we were to give up Gerald,
id die and pull a Cleveland.
but should it happen, the only three players i could possibly survive with are:
Kobe Bryant
Michael Jordan (from a time machine)
Shawn Kemp
--(insert quote, lyric, or joke here)
I repeat - hearts will be broken. But only briefly.
Jordan is going to apologize with a VERY nice box of chocolates and flowers.
by Ourdaywillcome on Jul 13, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
You never know what you're gonna get.
Matt Carroll with a gooey caramel creme filling
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Jul 13, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I assume you mean
the couple of years that Shawn Kemp looked like the best player in the league, not the ones where he looked like he swallowed 2 or 3 restaurants whole
by albesir on Jul 13, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i mean
the Shawn Kemp that did nasty things to the rim.
--(insert quote, lyric, or joke here)
by StudMuffin15 on Jul 13, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Rec'd
That was hilarious
Lemonade was a popular drink and it still is,
I get more props and stunts than Bruce Willis
- Guru, of Gangstarr
I'm going to set the time limit at 11:45pm
after that I’m going to bed
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Jul 13, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
James' people said by the weekend.
Mine said by Wed. night.
But that was before the Toronto thing blew up, so who knows.
We should know something late tonight.
by Ourdaywillcome on Jul 13, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Rufus is certainly on fire
and my brain is in Rosterbation overdrive and is near dethcon 3 level meltdown
--(insert quote, lyric, or joke here)
thats my favorite.
thanks.
--(insert quote, lyric, or joke here)
by StudMuffin15 on Jul 13, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Everyone should just relax in a hot tub.
But don’t use the Spongebob Soappie Sponges. You can’t replace them once their gone.
i didnt think any existed
after the BP incident
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by StudMuffin15 on Jul 13, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
That's where they went
To soak up the mess
by andrewlail76 on Jul 13, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe we can trade
Diop for Kanye, so that he can interrupt people at the free-throw line
--(insert quote, lyric, or joke here)
OR
maybe we can resign Sean May, and then use him to fix the oil spill
--(insert quote, lyric, or joke here)
by StudMuffin15 on Jul 13, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless the oil is actually chocolate pudding
Ain’t gonna happen
by andrewlail76 on Jul 13, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Chocolate pudding?
You don’t think Jordan is selling a piece of the club to Bill Cosby do you?
I could handle me some “Ladycats Pudding Wrestling Night” at the Cable Box!
by Ourdaywillcome on Jul 13, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Dammit...
That was step 5…
I said too much
by andrewlail76 on Jul 13, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I'ma let you finish...
but Gana was the best bench space taker-upper of all time!
by djwilliams11 on Jul 13, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
even Sean May Kanye?
--(insert quote, lyric, or joke here)
by StudMuffin15 on Jul 13, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Per capita, yeah...
May took up a lot more space on said bench. That skews things.
by djwilliams11 on Jul 13, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Guys, I'm powering down until 11 or so.
I’ll be back. I’m gonna eat and then either pray or sacrifice a goat. Maybe both.
sheep are better
IMO
--(insert quote, lyric, or joke here)
by StudMuffin15 on Jul 13, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
James we should meet up at a bar tonight and talk Bcats so I can get the low down haha
Old Town???? (To all non UNCG people: awesome bar in the center of campus)
:)
GSO
If we still want Calderon, Toronto will trade him heads up for Diaw
This trade for Chandler netted:
Pluses: a valuable non-guaranteed 13 million contract and a dump of Ajinca
Minuses: a bad Matt Carroll contract.
Neutral: an OK PF with an OK contract
The Toronto trade would have netted:
Pluses: a less valuable 5 million expiring contract
Minuses: a D-league scrub with a small contract
I think we got a better deal from Dallas. This is probably why MJ pulled the Toronto deal. Again we can still trade Diaw for Calderon if we want him. We can also trade the non-guaranteed Dampier contract for a number of players around the NBA.
This was a good trade and only step one. Najera will be a good back-up for Tyrus. Remember last year when we had Diaw and no back-up. Diaw will still be traded. Dampier is fodder for a blockbuster trade. With these two, we will pick up a coveted Center and PG, and may even dump Nazr’s expiring contract in the process.
I don't know if they would make that trade
at least not straight up. I think they originally wanted Calderon plus a trade exception, but Toronto wasn’t willing to give it up, only an almost bench player that would have meant getting nothing for Chandler basically. Calderon for Diaw sould be a good trade. Charlotte gets the PG they need, Toronto gets one less year of a bad contract, and a player that can play in a frontcourt that basically consists entirely of Bargnani now. Maybe that could be a possibility if nothing else happens, but it sounds like Toronto wouldn’t go for it for some reason.
Whoa
I go to work for 5 hours and come back to see a new post with over 300 comments? Holy balls! I miss an incredibly vague super rumor and I have to spend minutes just reading and digesting the rumors and jokes and awesomeness. Good work all around.
Lemonade was a popular drink and it still is,
I get more props and stunts than Bruce Willis
- Guru, of Gangstarr
Haha me too. Teams might trade players for other players that might make the bobcats better. Good stuff. Good, vague, exciting stuff.
by L'O on Jul 13, 2010 9:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Is that what your sources say?
Why don’t you shoot me an email at My-Cool-NBA-Secrets@aol.com and we can compare notes.
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Jul 13, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
AMAZING! THIS JUST IN!!!
This comment that is, I just wrote it.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
That comment was so 6 minutes ago.
I need some late breaking comments.
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Jul 13, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
However, I just got news from my source
Trade is imminent.
I’m trading my beefy 5-layer burrito for …………………………… a case of SOUR CREAM!!!!!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOO
It works on the trade machine!
John Hollinger’s reaction: This is the worst trade in Taco Bell history.
Lemonade was a popular drink and it still is,
I get more props and stunts than Bruce Willis
- Guru, of Gangstarr
by Ben Swanson on Jul 13, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll trade you a box of Cheerwine Krispy Kreme Doughnuts
for your beefy 5-layer burrito. I’ll also need a $2 trade exception.

by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Jul 13, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd never seen these before
until someone posted a pic of one yesterday. I love Cheerwine, but I can’t imagine this tastes all that great.
I had high hopes for them
but they were as nasty as DeSagan Diop’s contract
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Jul 13, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I am going to be on until I know something...cant sleep thinking what is going on
i am going to lose all sanity tonight
In a vague kind of way, Rod Higgins confirms some things...
Rod Higgins spills the beans
[click on the link]
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Jul 13, 2010 10:22 PM EDT reply actions
Rod Higgins on if he is concerned about the details that got out and that the players were informed
I’ve never talked to Boris (Diaw). No one from the Bobcats talked to Boris about him being in the trade. I can’t speak for anyone else, I can only speak for our organization.

"I could never be a thug, they don't dress this well." - Malice
by Julius Coxswain on Jul 13, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
On the potential Toronto deal that didn’t happen
We had conversations with Toronto – no secret there. At the end of the day, we didn’t come to a deal. It’s one of those things that happen in this business all the time. A lot of times you don’t hear about it, but those things happen all the time.
On if he is concerned about the details that got out and that the players were informed
I’ve never talked to Boris (Diaw). No one from the Bobcats talked to Boris about him being in the trade. I can’t speak for anyone else, I can only speak for our organization.
Interesting notes..
GSO
+1 for the new website though
--(insert quote, lyric, or joke here)
by StudMuffin15 on Jul 13, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Comments continue on the overflow page
http://www.rufusonfire.com/2010/7/13/1568490/trade-speculation-overflow-page#comments
Is this the first non-game blog page that needed an overflow?
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Jul 13, 2010 10:38 PM EDT reply actions
Like everyone else here, I have no clue what James or Ourday are talking about, but here's some guesses...
If we are really going to be losing many many future 1st round picks and G Wallace and this thing is just going to be the blockbuster trade of the century, I really don’t think that there are that many guys who fit this bill. Here’s a couple of guesses who would require this and make us instant contenders:
Dwight Howard
Chris Paul
Kobe Bryant
Kevin Durant
Deron Williams
Al Jefferson
Brandon Roy
Danny Granger
Dirk Nowitzki
Pau Gasol
Kevin Garnett
I mean who else in this league is that elite that would cost us that much and instantly make us a contender?? Who do ya’ll think this prospective trade includes??

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