Chandler-Ajinca to Dallas for Dampier-Najera-MATT CARROLL!!!
by David A. Arnott on Jul 13, 2010 3:08 PM EDT
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Woj drops the bombshell on Twitter.
I don't get it. This would leave the Bobcats with a shaky point guard situation and Boris Diaw as the number one center option. Really?
The only way this works for us is if we have a deal in place to flip Erick Dampier for other assets, because Dampier's deal can be bought out. And if we're stuck with Matt Carroll and Eduardo Najera for the next three and two years, respectively... Again, I just don't get it.
If they're just trying to save several million dollars by buying out Dampier instead of cutting salary by taking Jose Calderon and Reggie Evans, then that's kind of silly, because Calderon and Evans would bring real performance value to the team.
UPDATE: Dampier is likely to be waived, as it's an unguaranteed contract. Now, I'm a little confused as to how this affects our cap situation, because I'm not seeing where anyone's getting that $45 million number that's being thrown around...
1 -- The cap will be about $58 million.
2 -- Going into today, we had roughly $66 million committed to payroll (remember, Tyrus Thomas is getting paid $12.5 million this year, and Dominic McGuire is going to get roughly $1 million).
3 -- Take away Chandler's $12.6 million and Ajinca's $1.4 million, and add back Carroll and Najera's salaries, $7.3 million, and we're at roughly $59 million.
If your math is different, please enlighten me on how this helps the Bobcats pull off a subsequent trade and isn't simply a cost-saving measure after management balked at taking on Calderon and his trade-kicker-laden contract.
UPDATE 2: It's done. We went from getting a PG for Chandler-Diaw to trading Chandler for salary relief to keep us out of the luxury tax zone as we attempt to shore up the bench. Dig up your Matt Carroll jerseys, folks. He'll be sitting on our bench for the next two years.
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MATT CARROLL IS BACK BITCHES!!!!!!
Lemonade was a popular drink and it still is,
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by WhatAboutBob_cats on Jul 13, 2010 3:09 PM EDT reply actions
Najera will be dropped...that's my guess
And Matt may stay…and we still need a PG…
But my guess is it ain’t over yet…
by andrewlail76 on Jul 13, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't get it...
I’d like some clarification on why they’ve done this.
All I know is this:
Best expiring contract in league + Nazr = CP3?
If Woj is correct and the Bobcats waive or buyout Dampier...
They now have one of the best salary situations in the NBA at $45.5 million TOTAL
That’s enough to absorb $12.5 million more than they give out via trade… wait for it
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 3:12 PM EDT reply actions
Really?
Hmmm…so who we looking at for a C?
by andrewlail76 on Jul 13, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I have no idea
You can do what I’m doing, look at teams who have an extremely good center and a contract they want to part with, or an extremely good point guard and a younger player behind them.
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
God I hope not
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Please don't pull the trigger on this one
LOL
Too soon?
by andrewlail76 on Jul 13, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Blatche
Robin Lopez
Brook Lopez
Marc Gasol
Al Hortford
by andrewlail76 on Jul 13, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I know as much as you do...
All I know is that the only reason the Mavericks didn’t trade Dampier to Minnesota for Al Jefferson was because they were holding out hope to land Chris Paul.
I don’t understand why they would trade Dampier for Tyson Chandler… it doesn’t make any sense for a mere cap dump on Najera and Carroll.
Honestly, I could postulate that perhaps the plan all along was for New Orleans to move Paul, but to make sure they did so to the Eastern conference, but that is absolute speculation
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
looking at all the rosters in the NBA only one of them clearly shouts do great PG's and rebuilding and thats NO
only other PG available is monta ellis and hes more of a SG
Where are you getting the 45.5 number? Are you counting Tyrus’s new deal?
by David A. Arnott on Jul 13, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, including Thomas at $12.5 million for this year
If they buy out Dampier entirely… which seems far fetched.
David, do you see any reason Dallas would give up their most coveted contract?
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m seeing way more than 45 million committed for this year.
http://www.storytellerscontracts.info/resources/10-11salaries.htm
by David A. Arnott on Jul 13, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
You're right
I was going off ‘hoopshype’ and their numbers are way off… crap…
I don’t understand this at all. We’re now way over the cap, and if we waive Dampier we have no center, and didn’t get a PG.
I wish I knew more other than ‘theyre happy’
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
How about Dampier and Diaw to Toronto
for
Calderon and Robin Lopez?
No trade exception from Toronto?
by andrewlail76 on Jul 13, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
This is a C that would be a huge impact, a PG we want
and shocking that Phoenix would give up Lopez
by andrewlail76 on Jul 13, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Toronto can get Dampier
and their Trade exception absorbs picking him up
by andrewlail76 on Jul 13, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Lopez
Great #’s for such low minutes (and almost 60% shooter)
But Idk it still scares me, bc i guess i had been hoping for CP3/Jeff
GSO
CP3 and Okafor
Pipe Dream…
Lopez and Calderon are very possible
by andrewlail76 on Jul 13, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I counted approximatly 54 mil there
without adding the contracts just acquired.
In case people were wondering:
No peep from my source in the last 2 hrs… eerily quiet leading up to this
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 3:15 PM EDT reply actions
My last post before lying down for a nap
was that things had gone dead silent on my end too.
I have no idea what the hell is happening. This can’t possibly be the last move, can it?
I haven’t read the rest of the thread yet past this point. I’m hoping something else went down, but the first thing I did was check my email, voice mail, ANYTHING to try to find answers. Nothing – and my buds inside the org. aren’t returning my calls.
by Ourdaywillcome on Jul 13, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm getting worried.
It feels like we’ve got a glimpse of a competent FO and all kinds of wildly exciting speculation, and now we are going back to being poorly run.
I hope so much that this isn’t all there is.
If this is all there is
then I have never gone from complete ecstasy to total despair about this team.
+ too many to count.
I went from groggy to freaking completely out.
by Ourdaywillcome on Jul 13, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't have any idea
what the hell is happening right now. haha
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't think so either... but it does
The trade machine isn’t adding in the $3.3 million trade exception from the Raja Bell trade, that makes it work
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
i heard that we get cash
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by StudMuffin15 on Jul 13, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
: )
That’s what I got in my email box…
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 3:33 PM EDT reply actions
So since two years ago
We basically traded Chandler and Ajinca for a 13 million dollar expiring contract, Eduardo Najera, a 6 million/year paperweight and kept Matt Carroll.
Wonderful
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by WhatAboutBob_cats on Jul 13, 2010 3:36 PM EDT reply actions
that's just the mavs trades, I mean
Lemonade was a popular drink and it still is,
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by WhatAboutBob_cats on Jul 13, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Better than Najera's claim to fame
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM4SjnDJICQ
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by WhatAboutBob_cats on Jul 13, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
This trade realllllllllllllllllllllly frightens me
BC i just dont see something huge coming from this and can see us just trying to get under cap :(
Hope I’m wrong
GSO
+1 for sharing the same fear as me
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by WhatAboutBob_cats on Jul 13, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
We went from dreaming of
a pretty exciting PG and an All-Star C last night to facing the dark reality of nothing but cap relief.
I cannot believe it possible that we just traded away most of our cap relief
These were money options opening after 2 full seasons of making deals while flat broke.
This was our future.
WTF???
by Ourdaywillcome on Jul 13, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Esp bc we traded 2 centers
A sough after contract of a vet C and a young sub 23 center who seemed to be on the cusp of blossoming for…. Damp and nothing
No pick no youth??
GSO
Okay... so here is the complete salary situation as I see it:
Currently the Bobcats are on the hook for $79 million (including the players we just traded for).
We can cut Dampier immediately and cut that figure down to $66 million (his contract is no guaranteed).
So, even as a salary dump it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense, as the Bobcats are still $7-8 million over the cap.
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 3:48 PM EDT reply actions
I don't think that deal is dead
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Me either
All this hype and OT put in by the FO last night…
It can’t be over…
by andrewlail76 on Jul 13, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Pieces are in place...
and with the teams involved Robin Lopez is the C that would be incredible to land…
by andrewlail76 on Jul 13, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
It's time
Gotta start starting at some point…and didn’t he start at C in the playoffs?
by andrewlail76 on Jul 13, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
See...they got Frye...
no need for Lopez…
They are rebuilding
I hope
by andrewlail76 on Jul 13, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
All this does is drop us out of luxury and leave us broke.
This can’t be the end. There’s a VERY big shoe that should still be ready to drop.
It’s all gone FUBAR.
It’s just not possible that Jordan could go from savvy to complete stooge in one night.
Is it?
by Ourdaywillcome on Jul 13, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish Ourday was here... he might be hearing something, anything from his guy....
All I got was a smiley face, and I don’t know what that means
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 3:50 PM EDT reply actions
+100000000
exactly how i feel
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by StudMuffin15 on Jul 13, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm here now guys.
But I got nothing. No messages from any source – just a belief that this isn’t over. Maybe I’m grasping at straws but the continued silence makes me think something is yet to happen. It’ll be something that’s gonna make all the usual reporters and web sites go “holy effin’ crap”
by Ourdaywillcome on Jul 13, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought we were specifically instructed to NOT believe anything we heard from the media today?
Is this Dallas deal a for-sure done thing?
It looks like it's been filed to the league... so yes, it appears to be done
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
i think so
i got a text from ESPN
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by StudMuffin15 on Jul 13, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Just so people understand why Dampier is so valuable:
Because his deal isn’t guaranteed he can be traded to any team and cut immediately. It’s like having an expiring contract that you never need to pay.
I can’t imagine MJ was in closed door meetings last night in Vegas for a cap dump.
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 3:52 PM EDT reply actions
Easy
I swear that we aren’t letting Toronto hang…
The original deal may be dead…but…there can be another…
by andrewlail76 on Jul 13, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I honestly haven’t bought that line.
I think people hold him to a standard higher than others because he made TERRIBLE moves early on (Kwame Brown, trading Rip Hamilton).
Recent history seems to indicate he’s shrewder now.
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I was really thought he had gotten past that whole washington fiasco.
Maybe i was wrong
Bobcats theme song
There’s a battle ahead, many battles are lost
But you’ll never see the end of the road
While you’re traveling with me
Hey now, hey now
Don’t dream it’s over
Hey now, hey now
When the world comes in
They come, they come
To build a wall between us
We know they won’t win
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Also, why the rush to get the trade finalized so quickly?
If all you’re doing is cutting a player and that’s it why make special provisions to get this pushed through ASAP?
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 3:56 PM EDT reply actions
Question I have about getting Robin Lopez:
What does the Suns get out of this?
From what I have read, the Suns don’t need the Bobcats for the Hedo-Barbosa trade to go through.
However, since it hasn’t gone through yet, I guess there’s still hope.
I went from excited for next year, to out right baffled if Dampier is cut or sees court time.
I’d rather have Frenchie.
Two expiring contracts for a pile of shit is where we stand today.
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guess there's always "next year"
Maybe we can sign Melo now…. rolleyes
The team just put out a press release... keep in mind that Ourday's source told him they were writing a press release that may have been BS on purpose:
From Rod Higgins:
“Our main goal this offseason was finding a way to reshape this roster and continue the momentum we have established,” Higgins said. “While it’s always difficult to give up key pieces of your team, we believe this deal will give financial flexibility and the ability to improve our team at the same time.”
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 4:04 PM EDT reply actions
I want give up hope yet!
Given what you stated about Dampier’s contract: that he can be waived and dump salary etc., It could be said that Dampier’s contract is more valuable as a money saver than Tyson Chandler’s.
I’m hoping that Dampier will be traded as part of a bigger deal to get…wait for it….Chris Paul and Okafor.
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5614511
(in the above trade subsitute Chandler for Dampier. their salaries are close enough to work)
Charlotte gets Paul and Okafor
NO gets Dampier, Nazr, Augustin & Henderson
NO gets something for Paul, Dumps Okafor’s contract, waives Dampier and dumps his salary too. Nazr is an expiring. They get DJ too compete with Collison and they get a young talent they covet in Henderson inked cheap.
Sweetening the pot?
This would also help the Carrol signing make sense.
If the Cats ship Hendo they’ll need a SG. We know Carroll is a solid back up at least.
I thought that earlier...
but considering that the Mavs were chasing Paul for months and couldn’t acquire him with Dampier makes me wonder if that would actually work.
The justification I can find for that is the conference
If you’re trying to build a contender why do you trade Chris Paul to a division rival?
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Or if you're just trying to save money...
…it makes you look bad to the fans if you trade him to a division rival that really IS trying ti build a contender.
That press statement is just air.
If I don’t see something else in this thread I’m going to post my fears and inklings based on something I was told last night late. Pray I’m wrong.
by Ourdaywillcome on Jul 13, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Call me an eternal optimist, but isn't this just what the Bobcats would want us to think?
Media sources and the fan base are chalking this up as “Stupid Jordan’s at it again… what an idiot!”
The reality is that Charlotte have the ‘dust chip’, the most important contract in the NBA right now because it’s tradeable… and it’s nothing…
For me, there is too much information that I have been presented with, fed and reading between the lines to believe a cap dump was the plan all along. Ourday was told possibly finalized Wednesday as part of a 4 part deal, I was told a 4 part deal possibly finalized by the end of the week… I don’t know what this all means, but I can’t imagine Charlotte will give up Dampier’s contract for nothing
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 4:10 PM EDT reply actions
seems like a lot of "ifs"
to negotiate a four part deal, what’s to stop anyone from saying… no jordan, suck it, we’re not trading to you you’re stuck with your situation
It may not have been a cap dump at first
but I think MJ exhausted all his plans, threw up his hands, and decided he’d do this.
I sincerly hope this isn’t the case.
I have no information from my source
I hope Ourdaywillcome might be able to enlighten us
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Ummm
So now we have three bad contracts instead of just one. Aren’t McGuire and Najera pretty similar as an undersized power forward? Why include both Carroll and Najera to use the trade exception?
My guess is that Diaw and Dampier are gone. Hopefully we can get something good in return via trade or free agent signing. Najera, Brown, and McGuire are our backup forwards. I guess all three can play both forward spots, but not exactly at a high level.
We still need a PG and now a backup/starting Center. No PG available via free agency (that at least make us a better team) so we will have to trade Diaw and/or Dampier to get one. And we will probably have to sign a Center and a third PG (maybe S Collins).
So if I were to guess: Trade for Ramon Sessions, sign Shaq and Collins
I honestly like
Cald/Lopez… Lopez is a way better fit for us (considering he is a legit 7 fter) and we keep Hendo
GSO
Maybe if we're talking about Brook Lopez
Okafor is superior to Robin Lopez.
Chris Paul is superior to Calderon.
It's less about the players and more giving up Hendo, for me at least.
And I’m not so sure Okafor is better than Lopez.
Okafor and Lopez's Per 36 stats are realtively close Oak + .6 points +3.1 rebs
But Lopez is younger and unproven.
In 09-10 Lopez has plated 1600 CAREER minutes. Okafor has played over 2300 minutes in all but 1 SEASON.
Oak also has a bad contract.
So thus, Robin over him.
Probably Calderon and Lopez
Only because the money is less, and I have a feeling that Paul would bolt in three years
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Paul's desire to make another triumpverate in NY
with Melo/Amare/himself.
He’s been quoted on his desire to do so, as posted in earlier threads.
Its a New York post rumor.
I’ve read it. The quote was supposedly made in a toast at Melo’s wedding. It’s all hype by the POst because NY is pissed they whiffed on LeBron.
The article went on to say that Paul OR Tony Parker would be a good fit. That story is no more reliable than any rosterbation you read on here.
not only that but
Carmello will probably sign an extension before he becomes a FA. I don’t feel like he has any desire to leave, and it would serve no purpose to wait till free agency hits to sign that contract.
Lopez
looks like a potential all-defensive team center with a not terrible offense added in. And I’d like to see if anyone has even tried to teach Calderon to play defense. The rest of his game is good.
weighed against a solid center that can’t actually guard a center, and a superstar PG that is one of a kind and would instantly make the team better.
It’s hard to imagine Phoenix giving up Lopez, and most people seem to see that NO is asking too much for Paul right now. Hard to imagine either trade happening right now, but Paul is one of a kind, and he came from my favorite Demon Deacons, so I’d want him first.
Question
Would this be the first time Mark Cuban has ever done a a trade to save money rather than trying to make the team better? They just resigned Dirk, and have a core of aging players. Is Cuban perhaps giving up on winning a ring with Dirk?
If that was the case wouldn’t one assume that he wouldn’t offer Dirk a giant extension?
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
that's what I'm saying
Cuban has always had the “win now and in the future because I have the money to make it work” mentality. I can’t imagine him doing this trade because it’s pretty much a straight salary dump for his team, and maybe even hurts the team a bit, giving up the best bargaining chip for it. It certainly doesn’t make the team any better, Chandler pretty much =Dampier. Both are good defenders that can’t score, wont be on the floor more than 25 mins a game, and both will likely miss at least 15 games. Chandler’s D is a bit better and Damp’s O is a bit better. So, Dallas doesn’t get better by the trade, they’re still well over the cap, and though they would still have one of the best expiring contracts with Chandler’s, it still isn’t anywhere near as good as the non-guaranteed one with Dampier’s.
He got two expiring contracts and shored up front line help with Chandler’s defense. Dirk is more than enough front court offense and Haywood is starting for that team anyways.
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don't really agree
I gave Chandler’s defense a slight edge, but Dampier is better against the bigger guys as he just wont be pushed around at all. Chandler is underweight for a 7 footer and can be pushed around by some of the better centers in the league. I still like Chandler overall on defense, but not by that much. Plus, Dampier was still the starter most nights if he was healthy enough (no matter how much better Haywood looked and fit into the Mavs style).
Chandler is also more versatile so he can probably be used at the back-up PF spot as well. I think Cuban saw it as an opportunity to wash his hands of Najera and Carroll by receiving a little help with Chandler. If it’s a salary dump play for the 2011 guys it makes sense. Maybe he’ll go sign Duncan. He loves aging vets.
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I guess it's possible
I just can’t see either Cuban or MJ liking this trade. Unless there’s more to it, another trade in the works or something I’m not seeing.
Also, over on the Mavs site they don’t seem do care that much. They thought they could get more for Dampier’s contract, but they also think that the Mavs FO are absolutely tying Carrol’s contract onto Dampier’s, which is why Minnesota backed out of the Jefferson deal. Which made me wonder if the Wolves would’ve accepted Chandler plus something else(a pick, another expiring, or a young player) for Al Jeff.
and I forgot
if they had added another expiring like Nazr’s, that would be in line close with Jefferson plus Sessions, who they’re also trying to get rid of. He’s also a young PG that they felt had talent, but didn’t work out. Yeah, I just checked on ESPN’s trade machine and it works. Still a bit of depth issue at center, but wouldn’t that be soooooo much better?
Okay, two questions that I can't work out and I would love good reasons for:
1. If Jordan is trying to be cheap this year then why front load Tyrus Thomas’ extension to the tune of $12.5 million, rather than backload it when Diop and Diaw are off the books?
2. Why push the Dallas trade through with such expediency if you just plan to cut the main piece?
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 4:28 PM EDT reply actions
I wish I had an answer to the 2nd question.
That’s the only thing giving me hope.
Otherwise, I’d assume all his other plans have fallen apart and he decided to make this move in a terrible way to save face.
We could always trade Jack and Wallace for more expiring contracts
I sware MJs been taking notes from Jerry Richardson this summer. No draft picks and a bunch of new career backups.
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by southtunnel on Jul 13, 2010 4:28 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
From Mac Stein via Twitter:
Charlotte can waive Dampier and instantly save $13 million. But Bobcats expected to look first to see if can trade him to fill another void
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 4:32 PM EDT reply actions
I really, really hope there is more to this trade.
I want public opinion on the Bobs to change.
If it doesn’t, then we are going to be known, per usual, as a terribly run organization and MJ is incompetent.
While public opinion isn’t really that important, I’d like to see some love go the Bobcats way for once.
ive given up
being a bobcats fans… im gonna sell my season tix if something good doesnt come out of all this
i have 2 seats
in the second level, front section, one section off center court, in the second row, two end seats (the end closer to center court)… i bought them during the playoffs when they had the buy one get one sale
seriously, talk to me right around the start of september and we’ll see where it goes (i could use the extra cash, esp. if it won’t be worth it to watch the bobcats)
Just received from my ESPN mobile alert
Mavs acquire C Tyson Chandler from Bobcats for C Erick Dampier, F Eduardo Najera in 5-player trade
…no Caroll? Or is he one of the other 2 players?
Yes
Ajinca and Carroll aren’t mentioned
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Riddle me this:
If the two reasons cited for the Raptors/Bobcats trade to be killed were:
- Larry Brown didn’t want to give up Chandler
- Larry Brown didn’t like the idea of a defensively weak PG (Calderon)
Then how do you get his blessing to give up Chandler and Ajinca leaving him decimated at center so Jordan can save a buck?
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 4:47 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Just so I'm clear:
The common belief then is that MJ would be willing to piss off his head coach and sacrifice the new found success of his franchise to save some money in 2010?
I’m just not buying it.. any of it
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
That's why I don't believe Larry Brown was the reason the last deal didn't get passed.
I honestly hope this isn’t all there is.
I’m just worried that MJ couldn’t get any of his plans done, so rather than sit on his hands, he did this atrocity of move.
However, all the points you bring up are valid, and give me hope for future plans.
I was told that this whole scenario could end up dragging out until the end of the week...
It’s only Tuesday… so if everything remains the same by Friday I’ll be ready to throw my hands up and say ‘Double you tee eff’
Until then, I’ll sit back and see where this roller coaster ends up
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Once you give up hope, we all give up hope.
Lets just hope for the best.
+1
We’re not at the finish line yet. There’s not enough nearly logic in what we know so far for this to be the end game.
this reminds me of.....
playing NBA Live, and offering bad trades to people just to see if they’d accept.
Dampier's contract is more valuable than Chandler's.
I bet that we ship his contract off somewhere else, either for talent, or as a way to get rid of Diop and/or Diaw.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jul 13, 2010 5:12 PM EDT reply actions
I’ll buy a Lopez jersey and grow my hair out
If this happens
by andrewlail76 on Jul 13, 2010 5:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Don't forget, Gilbert Arenas and Monte Ellis are still out there and can surely
be had for Dampier’s contract.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jul 13, 2010 5:14 PM EDT reply actions
Hell, I'll take Gilbert any day. He's still All-Star caliber.
Ellis to me is more of a SG, but I’d let him run point for a year.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jul 13, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
How so?
He’s better than D.J., Raymond Felton, and Jose Calderon. Don’t let the media influence you so much. The guy can still ball.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jul 13, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, for our team.
For any team. The only thing that makes Gilbert bad is he caught a gun charge and makes a lot of money. Other than that, the guy is still a certified baller. I don’t understand how an upgrade in talent can’t be a good thing.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jul 13, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
he's not
a great defender, he’s not bad either, though certainly better than Calderon. Also, he operates in an uptempo style, and that definitely isn’t happening anytime soon in Charlotte. LB’s system works best with a pass first PG as well, and Arenas is not in danger of being called that.
Of course it works better with a pass first PG,
but Gilbert can easily become that if he needed to. He’s never had a coach ask him to fall back. Flip Saunders always encouraged him to take over. Just because he hasn’t had to do it doesn’t mean he can’t.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jul 13, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think he can
some players just have a score first mentality, and that’s what Arenas has. I’m not saying I don’t like his game though. When he’s healthy, he’s likely a top 5ish PG in the league, and definitely one of the better scorers. But I don’t think he’d fit in well, and could ultimately cause more problems than he could help the team.
And for a team severely lacking on offense and missing a starting PG,
how is this exactly a bad thing?
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jul 13, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
In all of this no one mentioned that he's a chemistry disaster.
Arenas and Jax on the same team? I’d be scared for the safety of the young players.
Courtside tickets would be discounted
Fans would put a higher value on the safety of the upper deck.
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Jul 13, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
And you can't say that he can't work in another system.
Bottom line, if there is talent there, they are going to produce. Gilbert’s all-star status is not the product of some system he’s been running, it’s because he’s a good player.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jul 13, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
yes he would produce
and even if he gets 20 ppg and 7.5 apg, does that necessarily make the team better? You can’t just add in a player’s stats and say that the team is automatically better with him there. Especially when you’re looking at a team with a clearly defined system like the one Larry Brown has set up.
I realize that.
But you have to understand, from my perspective, all I’m hearing is that adding an all-star PG with great offensive skills is bad idea when 1)we don’t have a starting PG, 2)our offense is severely lacking. For all the reasons you’re telling me it can’t work, you’re not thinking of one way where it can. If Gilbert Arenas was signed to a 7 million dollar a year deal and never caught a gun charge, we wouldn’t be having discussions about why he’s such a bad idea.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jul 13, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Personally, the only thing I hold against trading for Gilbert
are his injury concerns combined with the length of his contract. That’s the only thing that would make me hesitant to deal for him. It’s pish posh to me to think he can’t fit in a certain system.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jul 13, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand what you're saying....
but it just has very little upside to it. A PG with injury problems, a bad contract, and off the court concerns. It really isn’t just the gun charge either. He was up in several guys’ faces and had some teammates pissed at him. Plus with his reputation, you have an all-star that is nothing close to being a fan draw.
Like I said, I like Arenas’s game, and if he can go somewhere and stick and have no more problems the rest of his career, that’s really great. He could even provide a spark to a team wanting to get to the next level. But I still feel like it’s an awfully big risk.
please don't joke about
getting Arenas. Even if he is an All-Star PG, it just isn’t nearly worth it to have to take on his ego and his off court problems. And I’d be a bit surprised is Monta could be had with nothing other than a good expiring contract, as much as he helps his team.
Wow, one gun charge and he's an egomaniac that can't be controlled?
Gilbert will redeem himself this year, no matter who it’s with. And then, people will be trying to trade for him again. Getting him while his value it at it’s lowest point can turn out to be a steal.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jul 13, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
He is a great shooting PG.
He’s not pass first, but most of our people can’t create their own shots anyway.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jul 13, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
you ever listen to an interview with him?
he does have a pretty big ego. He’s been controlled before…..for a while, but then he does something stupid. Plus he’s also one of the bigger injury concerns among NBA point guards. And if his value is at it’s lowest point, then they should be able to find a better way to get him than trading their best expiring for it.
The same arguments have been made about Stephen Jackson thousands of times.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jul 13, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
yes and.....
I don’t expect S Jax will be quiet for too long if the team doesn’t look like they’re going anywhere like GS did. When he got there, the team was bad, but he was quiet for quite a while before he had enough and started causing trouble. I can easily see that happening here as well. And for the most part, Jackson doesn’t sound like he has a terribly big ego in interviews. He just complains a lot when the team sucks and if he wants out, he will find a way to piss off everyone that has ever been a fan of the team to try to get off the team. And plus, the reason it got so bad for Jackson is because GS wouldn’t lower their price for him for a long long time, so nobody wanted to trade for him.
I like Jackson, but I am very wary of his past troubles as well. I don’t think you can say just because he had a good half season hear without making too much noise that he’s never going to make trouble. He could wake up tomorrow and decide he wants out. And then he’ll make trouble until he’s traded or his contract expires.
WTF IS GOING ON??!!!?!?!?!?
i go out for lunch and uptown Charlotte is in flames.
yes, i am considering what Ourday said last night, but even then, i fear that this may be the beginning of the end. MJ cant count all of his chickens before the eggs hatch.
this move destroys our frontcourt, doesnt answer our PG problem, and is a questionable salary cap move (in my mind)
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He had his chance as PG in Atlanta
it didn’t work
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Jul 13, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
also
what is the reasoning behind getting MORE PFs?
now we got: Brown/McGuire/Dampier (if he sticks)/Diaw/Thomas
doesnt make any sense…. at all…. MJ must be doing his best Dumar impression…
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Najarah too...
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by StudMuffin15 on Jul 13, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Getting Calderon/Evans is much a better deal than Dampier/Carroll/Najera
We are not improving with this trade.. We should get Barea and not Carroll.. This is a one sided trade.. and that means Dallas has a better GM than Bobcats..1 Refrigerator is enough for Bobcats..
But I’m still hoping we can get improvement by trading Dampier and Diaw..
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