Calderon-Diaw-Chandler trade still on hold (update: Bonnell says it's close to dead)
by David A. Arnott on Jul 13, 2010 8:35 AM EDT
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I will be very disappointed if the Raptors-Bobcats trade ends up being just a big tease, especially if we have to take back Boris Diaw and Tyson Chandler after they were convinced they were leaving. Also, because I'd lose my excuse to get a Bobcats jersey with my favorite number, Jose Calderon's number 8.
But in the end, it's not a bad development at all that the trade is on hold. Amazingly given MJ's reputation as a personnel man, if Woj's report (linked above) is true, Michael Jordan is -- again! -- the voice of reason. Why should Tyson Chandler be a throw-in to get a point guard? Why should the Cats give up their best center? Their defensive rock in the middle? Forget Reggie Evans, and forget Chandler. Why can't we make Boris for Jose work?
Oh, and forget about Al Jefferson. He's off to Utah. Unless MJ thinks he can get the Bosh exception and swoop in with a better offer, that's probably not happening. Guess Deron Williams is happier today?
UPDATE: Bonnell says it's close to dead.
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I'm almost convinced there's another layer to this
that we haven’t been able to sniff out yet. Especially after reading some comments from James and ODWC, I can’t shake the feeling that there’s a quality center coming to Charlotte somehow or another, in addition to Calderon and his spot-on Bullwinkle impersonation.
Also, I’m all for Diaw going away, but I actually wouldn’t mind seeing Chandler sticking around. He never quite got a chance to play at 100% over a prolonged stretch of time, and seemed to start finding his comfort zone in the paint towards the closing moments of the regular season.
We all hope you're right
But this is about the point when my pessimism kicks in
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
The more I broke down yesterday's deal the more it made less and less sense
Ultimately, I think we may see Diaw and maybe Nazr’s expiring deal heading to Toronto, but I find it harder to accept that Chandler’s $12.25 million expiring couldn’t net us something better.
Toronto are still looking to move Calderon, because they are small now. The lost Bosh, traded Turkoglu… and now have three PGs.
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 9:00 AM EDT reply actions
Probably
Naz and Diaw for Calderon and no trade exception $…
or about what we were going to get to begin with…I am betting Chandler is removed from the deal completely now.
by andrewlail76 on Jul 13, 2010 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm 100% ok with that
we still have our best option at center. We still got rid of Diaw, and we still get Jose Calderon. Plus we still have our largest expiring contract.
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by HAWKEYESBABY on Jul 13, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm standing by my hunch
Either Toronto gives us some of the trade exception, or they don’t get Chandler.
They can’t have their cake and eat it too. Whatever happens if we’re sending Chandler somewhere we also need to get some benefit that will allow us to go and get a center. If Toronto likes Chandler’s game, fine… but you’re going to pay for it one way or another.
Diaw for Calderon straight up is a mutually beneficial deal. The Raptors need help in the front court, and want to be rid of Calderon’s long term deal. We need a point guard, and want to be rid of Diaw’s contract. Toronto already gets salary relief long term because Diaw expires sooner than Calderon, but getting Chandler too is overkill.
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
The problem is everyone already heard about Diaw + Chandler
And Toronto seemed to be most excited about Chandler. Colangelo would look like an idiot to only get Diaw now. I bet he backs out if Jordan will only go straight up, or probably we throw somebody else in.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
He'll look like more or an idiot if it doesn't happen at all.
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Ya think?
They seem to love Calderon. Giving him up for lesser value might not go over well. If we dont get a better Center then I’d really like to keep Naz and Chandler. But Ajinca or Diop can go with no damage done.
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by southtunnel on Jul 13, 2010 9:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The fanbase know it's not a fair trade talent wise, but from the comments I read they are happy because of the money
Jarrett Jack isn’t better than Calderon, but their fan base isn’t convinced Calderon is $5 million per year better than Jack.
Right now they have $21 million of their salary schedule to go to point guards (9 to Calderon, 7.1 to Barbosa and 4.8 to Jack) that is an immense misstep when they now only have Evans and Bargnani who can play PF and C.
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Side note to your point
Well, they do have Amir Johnson and Ed Davis to think about too.
I don’t think Calderon is worth his contract, but at the same time I would love to see how he would do in Brown’s system.
Good point
I forgot about them
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Chandler is more valuable to the Bobcats now than ever.
One other possible scenario is that Toronto wants Chandler to use the same way we are – as a nice fat expiring that will get them another piece or two. Otherwise they wouldn’t be trying to hold on to that exception so tightly. They’re stockpiling cash for something and want every penny.
For us, that exception is essential in either keeping us well under the cap for trades during the season, or opening up opportunities for us to pick up a long-term starter at the 5 for reasonable coin. It’s fairly clear to me based on everything James and I are getting fed that Jordan has his eye on a specific someone that we’re all just not seeing. SInce virtually all the NBA bigs have been discussed here in one thread or another it’s got me scratching my head. At this point I wouldn’t rule out someone playing strong in Europe that he wants to woo. It’s a wise move on Jordan’s part either way to stonewall for every dime he can manage to wring out of Raptor claws over the next 48-72 hours.
It’s also standing out to me as a huge red flag that the one central thing James and my sources are flatly refusing to disclose is the name of whoever it is that Jordan has zeroed in on. All we know is that it’s going to be a pretty big deal if MJ pulls it off and that it’s not a temporary fix. It’s going to answer our viability question at Center for several seasons. That pretty clearly rules Shaq out and at this point I expect to be dazzled by a hell of a lot more than a bad free throw shooting, clog up the lane, can’t run, old as dirt former Superstar.
by Ourdaywillcome on Jul 13, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
so your person has told you it is a 5?
I mean maybe its not because I just dont see who it can be other than jefferson and kaman
My person also indicated that it is a center
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
The initial goal was getting Calderon and enough of the exception to take us south of the cap.
There was another step after that where the info got pretty vague. But people were called in well after hours last night to work on this extra piece and it centers (no pun intended) around an answer to what we’re going to do the next 3 seasons in the five-slot.
by Ourdaywillcome on Jul 13, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
What about Diaw, Naz and Ajinca?
Too much?
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
the way Ajinca has not developed?
nope sounds good to me. I’m not sold Ajinca will ever be a viable option.
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by HAWKEYESBABY on Jul 13, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it's too much...
Just because we lose two centers… now, I don’t pretend to know what Toronto’s plans are long term, or who they want to build around.
But, I wouldn’t be surprised if Colangelo knows about, and loves Ajinca… he’s one of those guys who monitors Europe closer than most.
If, and it’s a big if… Toronto are in full rebuilding mode and plan to build around Jarrett Jack and Demar Derozan I would pull this trigger on this deal in a second:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=27m9fvc
Keep in mind this fails only because Toronto’s $16 million trade exception from Bosh hasn’t registered on the machine.
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
This would also involve a future 1st round pick heading to Toronto, FYI
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Mehhh
Im okay with calderon but I agree that tyson and diaw is too much, if theres no trade exception $ included. Im still holding on to the little hope i have left for CP3…
CP3 is off the table, not going to happen. No way, no how...
That’s what I’m hearing at the moment
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
:(
That means we will not get the marquee player we all hoped would propel us into the upper echelon of the East :( (Al Jeff or CP3 etc).
Calderon is good, but not enough IMO
GSO
never under estimate
a team with a solid scoring PG and the best D in the league.
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by HAWKEYESBABY on Jul 13, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
That's still not really in line with what I'm hearing
I still don’t have player names, but it may be someone who you wouldn’t think would get shopped.
Let me clarify: My source told me it wasn’t CP3 and now I know it wasn’t Al Jeff… but he still believes whatever this move would make us ‘relevant’ whatever that means.
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
No, nothing
All I can reiterate is don’t believe any news until everything is signed, sealed, and delivered.
That includes Yahoo’s report that the deal is in peril
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Well
Calderon IMO makes us relevant… he would be the perfect PG for us, amazing shooter, great passing skills/low turnover. Only weakness is D which is what we are best at.
To quote weezer
A “Perfect Situation”
But I would love a new Big as well
GSO
i dont know who it could possbily be
I looked at every roster in the NBA and I dont see an impact C that would make us “relevant”. Unless its…..Insert Greg Oden Penis Joke Here….or its just not going to be a center. we do aright with Theo last year.
lol
The Bobcats are becoming the official social rehabilitation center for trouble NBA ballers.
by Ourdaywillcome on Jul 13, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree Mike.
Calderon will develop quickly as a defense-minded guard under Brown and that will make Calderon into an elite at the point. Add in Jackson’s ability to see and spread the floor and we don’t need CP3. I’ll say it again. There is no way in hell Chris Paul is headed to the Bobcats at this point. He has his sights set elsewhere and Jordan is firmly set on getting Calderon signed.
by Ourdaywillcome on Jul 13, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree 100%
I think Calderon is a Bobcat by 5 p.m…. too much of the Raptors’ plans hinge on being rid of his contract.
This could be a very shrewd move to get a lot more out of the Raptors than they ever planned to give up. I’m thinking adding Gerald Henderson into the deal and getting back DeMar DeRozan, who the Bobcats coveted and were prepared to trade up to get.
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Nah...
No DeRozan at this point…Calderon and a bit more Trade exception…for Diaw and ?
by andrewlail76 on Jul 13, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
What I'm proposing is:
Diaw, Chandler and Henderson for Calderon, DeRozan and $8 million of the trade exception.
Colangelo is screwed now with so much of his money committed to the back court.
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont really agree with this.
(Paul) has his sights set elsewhere and Jordan is firmly set on getting Calderon signed.
1) Where have you seen any indication from Paul himself that he is not interested in playing for Charlotte?
2) If MJ was “firmly set on signing Calderon” then Calderon would already be a Bobcat at this point. MJ has not pulled the trigger for a reason. And whatever that reason is, it ultimately has to do with wanting something better (or at least more) than Calderon.
Something bigger than Calderon
Jordan wants a blockbuster. He wants a superstar.
MJ is so competitive he not be able to stop himself from spending whatever it takes to get what he wants and try to build a winner.
But Jordan has enough sense to guard and insulate his wallet.
He’s competitive, but he’s not losing his head in an all out effort to buy a quick run at the title.
These machinations are designed to make the Cats solid contenders for years – at least until Jackson and Wallace are aging past their primes.
by Ourdaywillcome on Jul 13, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
You got it.
Calderon is the middle step in a very big process that MJ supposedly set in motion many days ago.
by Ourdaywillcome on Jul 13, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I have a dream....
I’d prefer to hope that it’s ALL a charade and MJ is working some completely different blockbuster deal to bring CP3 to NC. And until its all official i will continue to hope and share my dream with others here. Maybe if we all collectively hope enough, MJ will make it happen……
Hope in one hand and shit in the other, right?
If you stop believing
somewhere out there a fairy could lose its wings. I got that from a source close to Tinkerbell’s posse.
by Ourdaywillcome on Jul 13, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
wait for it....
Sorry Andrew!
CP3 wants to set up another trio (Miami Thrice Lite) in NY. Please see my post in the other thread regarding that.
Plus, James and I have both been told that if Paul was EVER on the table, it was a dead idea by last Friday morning.
by Ourdaywillcome on Jul 13, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I was told specifically that there was talk of Chris Paul last week but they (Charlotte) were lukewarm to the offer at best because of what it would cost them.
It seemed to me it wasn’t a matter of ‘Paul isn’t worth it’ but ’Can’t we get someone between Felton and Paul talent wise without gutting the roster and losing cap flexibility?’
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe....
MJ is playing hardball with NO with this whole Toronto trade in the first place, and has really had his eye on Paul the whole time.
Just for fun, check out this trade:
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5613220
it works.
NO gets big expiring contracts, cheap insurance at the PG, and rid of their worst salary.
Bobcats get the Elite player and old sturdy back at C.
Its a win-win.
That is the exact trade that I proposed in my fanpost
New Orleans wanted those players, Ajinca, Henderson and two 1st round picks while we took James Posey in addition to Paul and Okafor.
I have that on good authority.
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
More speculation (from myself included)
I ‘ve heard the speculation about Melo, Paul, Amare in NY. But that’s just that.
Knowing CP3 i seriously doubt that he would EVER rule out playing in NC. Especially if he thought the team here was a winner.
And Jordan knows enough about basketball to understand that as it stands now Paul is one of a handful of players in the NBA that could immediately make the Bobcats “relevant”.
With a sweet enough pot NO and Charlotte might go for it.
Toronto
Is this Toronto trade the big one to make us relevant or is your source talking about some other unknown trade that is in the works?
No... both my source and Ourdaywillcome's source are telling both of us similar things:
The Toronto stage is a step in the big deal, but not the big deal itself.. but the major trade may depend of Charlotte getting this one done.
There is a possibility that if this Toronto trade doesn’t happen at all then it means the larger trade fell through.
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Toronto
is really starting to tick me off.
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by HAWKEYESBABY on Jul 13, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
The Bobcats are calling the shots on this one
Toronto is more or less at MJ’s mercy. We could have yesterday’s deal in a snap if we want it, but there seems to be a good reason why Jordan is stalling this one.
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
MJ
Any chance he is holding this up because he is trying to get another team to offer up something better for Chandler, or is he just second guessing giving away Chandler at all.
I don't think there's any second-guessing by Jordan at all.
Best guess based on the data James and I have gotten is that something else big is in the works and getting fair value for Chandler is essential. Either the bigger deal is in danger of falling through (possible) or Jordan sees a chance to really put the screws to Toronto to maximize Charlotte’s bargaining power in the bigger deal (far more likely.)
by Ourdaywillcome on Jul 13, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
reading between the lines
it looks like Charlotte wants that trade exception, and originally the plan was to send the trade exception off to another team (PROBABLY MINNESOTA) for a star
but either it’s come to light that the mystery team will settle for chandler only,
OR, the more likely scenario, it was al jefferson and we’ve realized that without the trade exception, we have no chance at getting him over utah, so MJ is making sure toronto knows it has no chance at getting this deal done without the exception… diaw/chandler for calderon and trade exception is a good trade for us, and since toronto would have to use the exception this year anyway, is good for them because it gives them immediate relief next year
I was told with some certainty that Al Jefferson was involved, but it didn't appear he was going to Charlotte
I have a hunch or two about who it could be after looking at the league’s roster… but nothing concrete enough and god help me if I’ve guessed it because I don’t want to ruin this deal.
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Dangit James.
I was very surprised about Utah’s announcement re Jefferson because he was a peripheral part of this (but like you said, not with him coming here)
We are either both being lied to by our most reliable inside man (men) or there is still something large on the horizon.
Once again y’all – both of us were told to NOT believe anything in the media today. We were told that specifically. We’ve also both been told it may be Wed. or Thurs. before anything is final on any of this.
by Ourdaywillcome on Jul 13, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Dead is Dead
Various sources around the league are saying the deal is dead. I’m personally happy the deal is dead… We were getting ripped off as is.
http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2010/07/bobcats-trade-for-calderon-might-be-dead.html
I was told with absolute knowledge that misinformation would be flying around today
Especially from the Charlotte Observer.
Given that Toronto doesn’t mention a source I definitely wouldn’t consider this as true
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Personally...
I would try to swing a deal with the Knicks. Chandler/Diaw for Chandler/Curry. For all of his problems Eddy Curry is the perfect compliment to Tyrus Thomas.
Oh god no
Curry has only been able to play 10 games in the last two seasons… acquiring him would be a disaster.
I love Wilson Chandler, but I don’t see what role he would play
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
My thoughts are...
Curry has been out of favor with the Knicks. He can score on the block though. It was a rumor a while back we might be interested in him. Tyson and Tyrus can’t be on the floor at the same time is my only point. Two of basically the same player. Where will the offense come from?
by JDuaneHipps on Jul 13, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
If Curry can be healthy I like the combination...
I just don’t know if he can play a 1/4th of the season
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Same problem last year.
But that was the same problem with Tyson last year. Either way he comes off the books as well next year. Plus he actually makes slightly less than Tyson.
by JDuaneHipps on Jul 13, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
No source but...
People on other boards are saying Ajinca’s agent tweeted he’s no longer a Bobcat
Colangelo LOVED Ajinca during the 2008 draft and were prepared to take him #17 until Indiana wanted Hibbert
If Ajinca is going to Toronto we very well may see a larger player coming to Charlotte.
I am wondering now if Bargnani might be on the table (for the right price)
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I could see Ajinca replacing Chandler in the deal...
Diaw and Ajinca for Calderon and Trade Exception
by andrewlail76 on Jul 13, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Very possible too... the money is a lot closer also
Could also be Calderon and Evans for Diaw and Ajinca… no exception
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
CP3 wants...
…to get himself, Carmelo, and A’mare in NY
So that ship has sailed…
Besides, CP3 in Charlotte would never work…Gerald Wallace is #3
CP3 woud have to change numbers…and the nickname
by andrewlail76 on Jul 13, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
It's a stupid nickname anyway
not really a nickname at all. Just your initials and your number. I can’t believe stuff like that passes as nicknames these days. I mean, Iceman, the Pearl, Tiny, Pistol, etc
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by WhatAboutBob_cats on Jul 13, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
…CP3 wants to get himself, Carmelo, and A’mare in NY
So that ship has sailed…
Says who? The NY Post?
Besides, CP3 in Charlotte would never work…Gerald Wallace is #3
CP3 woud have to change numbers…and the nickname
Dude. I had never thought of that. You just blew my mind.
There could be
c3p0
and he could be #30?
or he could be the 03?
by andrewlail76 on Jul 13, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
C3P0
that’s pretty bad ass actually. That’s just another reason for me to hope they land Paul and Okafor back!!
Can you see it?
A stiff moving, gold version of Chris Paul?
Man at the marketing commercials they could run
Once Gerorge Lucas OKd it obviously
and with Lucas’s blessings…all of our games in THX!
by andrewlail76 on Jul 13, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3_HHZFi0As
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by WhatAboutBob_cats on Jul 13, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Very possible.
Ajinca was a HUGE disappointment in Summer Ball. He solved much of his size problem but the extra bulk made him clumsy and foul prone in a big way. If the Cats haven’t lost all patience with him yet, they’re about to. They can only work with a project player for just so long without getting some kind of results. Ajinca is being considered pretty much a wash by the Cats FO.
by Ourdaywillcome on Jul 13, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate the FO thinks of him like that.
What did they expect? The kid is just now 22 right? If they wanted a player to contribute immediately why did the draft Ajinca in the first place?
If it was me (which it obviously is not) I’d still give him time to develop and maybe become a quality center. But since its not me, trading him for a good value might be the best option.
Get what you can for him while you can...
by andrewlail76 on Jul 13, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
If Ajinca had been drfated in the 2nd round by San Antonio...
…or Houston or Toronto…
He would just NOW becoming to the States and being expected to learn the NBA game. Expectations would have been way different.
I like your thoughts...
Ajinca to San Antonio for Parker
by andrewlail76 on Jul 13, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Man...
I was hoping we might have been trying to get Kaman from the Clips, if we weren’t able to get Jefferson…on another note, hey James, have you seen “The Proposition”?, best movie to ever come outta the outback!lol
Yes, that movie is awesome... I highly recommend it
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I loved that movie!
also, Ray Winstone is the man! especially in this movie, The Departed, and Sexy Beast
Here's one for ya...
We have a rapidly growing post…with 2 guys who have inside sources that are telling them to ignore what the media keeps saying, but we keep posting that the deal is almost dead, per the media…
Why?
David has to call it based on the info he receives.
Ultimately, who is he supposed to trust? A couple of bloggers he’s never met or a professional journalist with more Bobcats office personnel on his speed dial than James and I will ever collectively meet?
I’m not saying David disbelieves us, just that he can’t take James and my comments to the bank.
by Ourdaywillcome on Jul 13, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh I know...
David has to report what is being reported…
by andrewlail76 on Jul 13, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I think they were created here
and we’re pushing them towards Charlotte
by andrewlail76 on Jul 13, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
wow....
this got depressing real fast. I really hope this deal isn’t dead.
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Once again my friend:
James and I were both told last night not to buy most of what will come out in the media today.
by Ourdaywillcome on Jul 13, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
so many sources so much mixed info
my head hurts lol. I pray that your sources are correct.
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by HAWKEYESBABY on Jul 13, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I just can't believe it is almost dead...
Anyone got some life support?
by andrewlail76 on Jul 13, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I want Calderon. BAD
I like him a lot, and we need him. SOMEONE PLEASE make Diaw-Calderon straight up work!
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by HAWKEYESBABY on Jul 13, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Furr REeeeallll
But…if the media says it’s almost flatlined…must be…
by andrewlail76 on Jul 13, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
yea well...the media blatently ignores
my Iowa Hawkeyes and my Charlotte Bobcats…so screw them!
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by HAWKEYESBABY on Jul 13, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Who? What?
You probably are not believeing George Steinbrenner is really gone either are you
Jeez, let it go
The media would never report something that is false…
Neither would Tyson Chandler…
by andrewlail76 on Jul 13, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Absotively posolutely.
They’d never disseminate false information.
They almost got caught when they faked that whole moon landing thing at a soundstage near Area 51. Since then, they take no chances and have a fair and balanced view of everything.
by Ourdaywillcome on Jul 13, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
This Just in...
Larry Brown is going to play PG and we are going to send Chandler back to NO for Okafor and Peja
Well LB did hold the record for career assists in the ABA for a while
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by WhatAboutBob_cats on Jul 13, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Hollinger is tweeting the deal is dead.
He also called it the dumbest deal in recent NBA history and said it was a bummer for the Raptors organization.
by Ourdaywillcome on Jul 13, 2010 12:57 PM EDT reply actions
meh he's overrated anyway
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by WhatAboutBob_cats on Jul 13, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I got a txt a few minutes ago:
“Can’t talk… grabbing some food… phew. PR machine is in full force. don’t buy into a lot of what you’re seeing. Things going well. Hope to catch up with you this weekend man!”
Well, you can ignore the personal statements, but you get the drift
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 1:26 PM EDT reply actions
How do you and ourday meet these people?
My biggest insider I knew was Tone, the old hypeman at the arena
“Yo this is Tone, and I’m up in the Sprite Zone and it’s a party up here! Come up here and join us”
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by WhatAboutBob_cats on Jul 13, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I met him at a Christmas party a few years back and he knew I blogged the Panthers and asked if I followed the Bobcats. We’ve become friends since.
I can’t say the department he’s in, but it’s not very high up or glamorous, but a lot of information flows through his department.
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I worked for Novant.
They own Presbyterian Hospital, Forsyth Medical Center and about a dozen other hospitals. The Bobcats partnered with Novant to set up the ambulance services, public treatment clinics, and team medical rooms at Time Warner. I was the purchasing agent that stocked and set up those facilities. I was the Bobcats contact for procurement of supplies until I got disabled. You spend enough time in the belly of the Cable Box, you meet some folks and make some friends.
by Ourdaywillcome on Jul 13, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
My ma works for Presbyterian Hospital, and thus Novant Health!
Small world
Lemonade was a popular drink and it still is,
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by WhatAboutBob_cats on Jul 13, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
my uncle
was for quite some time in charge of inventory at Presby, so I would imagine you two have met at some point, his name is Jamie
The name doesn't ring an immediate bell.
It’s possible that if he runs inventory control at Presby he coordinated all the stuff I bought for their engineering department. He might know my name better than I would know his. I dealt with like 60 guys down there. If he was there 2 years ago, next time you talk to him tell him I’m the guy that set up the Engineering stockroom window down there. He’ll know what you’re talking about. It was a HUGE change for that facility.
by Ourdaywillcome on Jul 13, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
My source says not to listen to the media reports
Oh wait, nevermind. You guys are my source.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
by southtunnel on Jul 13, 2010 1:43 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
One more thing to add about Steve Kyler of Hoopsworld
He was the first person to report that the deal involved Calderon and Chandler yesterday morning, while ESPN still said it was just Diaw. From where I sit he has his finger on the pulse and closest to what I’m hearing from my guy. This is what he had to say recently:
The odds this deal gets done is still pretty high, it’s just going to require Toronto to come out of pocket a little and that may include tossing in some cash.
Also, it’s important to understand the anatomy of a trade:
1) Teams agree to a deal
2) The trade comes across the league’s table where they examine it vs. the CBA and sign off on it.
3) It goes to the owner’s for final approval.
4) When they both sign the deal is official.
Thus, if the owner’s or owner refuses to sign (like it appears has occurred) then the league considers the trade ‘dead’. Once a deal hits the league’s desk it cannot be altered.
So, while the trade that was proposed yesterday may be dead that doesn’t mean an almost identical deal may hit the table in an hour or two, or in a day or two. Each time a change is made the original deal is ‘killed’ and a new one is drafted.
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 1:50 PM EDT reply actions
I'm
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by southtunnel on Jul 13, 2010 1:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm probably the only one who cares about this but...
Is the contract digital? Some type of e-signature? You sure couldn’t mail one back and forth that fast. Or is there some type if witness of the hand signature?
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by southtunnel on Jul 13, 2010 1:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I have absolutely no idea.
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Well... Ask your source!
Surely juicy info like this warrants leakage
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by southtunnel on Jul 13, 2010 2:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
New update!
Just got a text from my source:
loL gettin hammmmerrrred in Tacco Belll prkg lot. Scchnapps and Baja blast= halllucinations! Hope they mesh well with the 6 valcano tacos I jst ate. …uh oh gotta go!
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- Guru, of Gangstarr
by WhatAboutBob_cats on Jul 13, 2010 2:03 PM EDT reply actions
That scenario sounds worse than anything I have ever heard…lol
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by James The Aussie on Jul 13, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
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