Boris Diaw traded to Raptors
by David A. Arnott on Jul 12, 2010 8:08 AM EDT
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Goodbye Boris Diaw. Now that you've been traded to the Toronto Raptors, here's hoping you and Andrea Bargnani won't get utterly destroyed when you try to play defense together. That first season with the Bobcats was a shock to the system, since you -- out of nowhere -- became a monster three point shooter and had your best run of play, ever. Last season, you went back to being the guy you always were, only with more three point attempts, and that guy is going to be useful to NBA teams for a long time to come, but we're better off taking our chances that Tyrus Thomas does more with his gifts in starter's minutes.
The trade also routes Hedo Turkoglu to the Phoenix Suns, and the Cats have received Dwayne Jones and part of the Chris Bosh trade exception. (What? We couldn't get Jared Dudley back?) Jones was with the Cats for a minute or two in 2008-09, and last season was a D-League monster. I'm not making this up: In 48 games, he averaged 17 points and 16 rebounds per game. Discounting for level and per-minute, he's no starter, but he might be a better rebounder than Tyson Chandler right now, which would make him an attractive candidate to soak up 10-15 minutes per night.
As for the exception, the original report doesn't say exactly how much it is, but if the Cats don't want to use it to sign someone (and luxury tax-ize themselves), it could be a good trade chip.
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What? Is this true?
No PG, just a D leaguer and a trade exception?
+1
I can’t find it on NBA.com, yahoo, or ESPN…
And I’m hoping this isn’t what I was “waiting for”
by andrewlail76 on Jul 12, 2010 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions
What???
I have been hoping and praying to see Diaw moved. However, I had thought he was one of our more tradeable assets (he actually has game). Did we get nothing back or what? What happened to the CP3 talk? We just traded away our bench leader/2nd team commander for Dwanyne Jones? WTH?? Really? Dwayne Jones? Sounds like he did alright in D-leauge….but honestly, my down syndrome brother who stands 6’3" could rip about 10 boards a game in D-League.
I feel like we have been hustled!! Here I am, sitting and waiting to be impressed by the FO and their moves. Only to get Dwayne Jones. Nice. So now we have 10 centers on the roster that can’t stay on the court and off the bench. 10 D-leaguers. Also have NO PG (sorry DJ) and a 2nd unit that looks like a summer league team. I am starting to think we may be in trouble. Haven’t felt that yet, but this news this morning has me worried!
Trade exception
We still have the Chris Paul talk… Diaw never figured to be part of the equation in getting a superstar PG, a trade exception does.
You put it best (with a bit of hyperbole) ‘we have 10 centers on the roster’. Why do you think we’re stocking up on them? Only logical reason is that the expiring contracts of Chandler and/or Nazr are going to be moving somewhere.
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by James The Aussie on Jul 12, 2010 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions
that is exactly what im thinking
something is going to happen and hopefully something big…i shall still wait for it….
Diaw would've been a tradeable asset next year when his contract was expiring,
but not this year. He’s not worth half of his salary. I’m glad Toronto is panicking to fill Chris Bosh’ role.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jul 12, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
I think we actually got lucky that he could even be traded
I sound like a broken record but... something is up
If the Bobcats wanted a PG and Toronto wants to shed cash then why didn’t we get Jarrett Jack in this deal?
Calderon and Barbosa are more than capable to run the point for the Raptors, furthermore if they like Jack more than Calderon then we could have gotten Jose for Boris straight up.
Toronto now has three excellent point guards, why?
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by James The Aussie on Jul 12, 2010 8:25 AM EDT reply actions
I agree, there's obviously something else going on
I just hope it works.
apparently my NUM LOCK button is off. 14 mil for the trade exception
by Ball Above All on Jul 12, 2010 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Holy crap... that is a MAMMOTH trade exception
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by James The Aussie on Jul 12, 2010 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe the FO listened to you James
and Okafor and CP are comming are way…
I still think it’s too good to be true, but who knows?
the way its worded it doesnt look like its all coming to us but i didnt know you could send "part" of a trade exception ...
“Jones would then get to sent to the Charlotte Bobcats along with “part of their $14 million … trade exception” to get forward Boris Diaw".
by Ball Above All on Jul 12, 2010 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I was wondering about that
Likely $9 million to make up Diaw’s contract
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by James The Aussie on Jul 12, 2010 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions
aight I'm going to make myself look stupid
could someone please explain what exactly a trade exception is? what it does? obviously it’s a good thing and to get one for Diaw is great, but what all does this mean?
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Okay, here's the deal
If ‘Team A’ trades a player who’s salary is $10 million and ‘Team B’ trades a player worth $8 million then ‘Team A’ gets a $2 million trade exception.
What this means is if ‘Team B’ want to acquire a player down the road but don’t have enough cap room or contracts to make the numbers work they can add the previous $2 million to help the deal goes through. This exception lasts for one year.
Basically what it means for Charlotte is that they can now trade and take on $14 million more in a trade. This is absolutely mammoth. As Charlotte is so close to the cap they wouldn’t be able to trade say Tyson Chandler and Nazr Mohammad for Chris Paul and Okafor because Chandler and Nazr = $18 million and Paul and Okafor = $25 million… this means the Bobcats can use $7 million of the trade exception to acquire the players.
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by James The Aussie on Jul 12, 2010 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I should have used real terms
Paragraph 2 should read ‘team a’
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by James The Aussie on Jul 12, 2010 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions
nah it's cool
still slightly confusing, but I get the general idea of it now. thanks a ton! awesome. awesome, and more awesome. Something big is going to happen and I am losing my mind till it does.
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by HAWKEYESBABY on Jul 12, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Basically it means if you give more money that you get then you can use the leftover money to complete a later trade.
The exception is just a bank where any remaining money sits until you make a trade.
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by James The Aussie on Jul 12, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
If those salaries are right and were getting at least 9 mil for diaw...
wait i dont wanna get too excited here.
by Ball Above All on Jul 12, 2010 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Does it feel like waiting for Christmas morning?
Still won’t believe it until it happens.
Here are the exact salaried (per Hoops Hype)
Chandler: $12.75 million
Nazr: $6.88 million
Total: $19.63 million
Paul: $14.94 million
Okafor: $11.54 million
Total: $26.48 million
Trade exception needed: $6.85 million
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by James The Aussie on Jul 12, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully MJ is thinking the same as James the Aussie
We are getting better in clearing salary cap.. Well done MJ..
We are having so many options now on getting the starting PG and in case we don’t get CP3, Ridnour is still there and could be cheaper.
ESPN scroll mistake
the bottom scroll on on the 8:00 AM sportscenter this morning said the Bobcats traded for Dwayne… WADE!
I almost crapped myself. They have since removed the scroll, I assume for editing.
if i was at home
i would’ve been able to use my DVR… but im at work
New rosterbation trade scenario
Works for all the teams involved. Notice it fails in the trade machine by $8.45 million, but keep in mind this hasn’t been updated for the trade exception.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2boauky
This is a ‘salt the earth’ approach for New Orleans.
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by James The Aussie on Jul 12, 2010 9:09 AM EDT reply actions
Why would the Knicks want another power forward?
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by WhatAboutBob_cats on Jul 12, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
D’Antoni routinely used A’mare as a center in his run and gun small ball lineup.
I’m basing this idea on the notion the Knicks will use this lineup:
Felton/Gallinari/Randolph/West/Stoudemire
With Azibuke, Turiaf and Douglas off the bench
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by James The Aussie on Jul 12, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I'M SO CONFUSED
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by WhatAboutBob_cats on Jul 12, 2010 9:14 AM EDT reply actions
Useless now
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by WhatAboutBob_cats on Jul 12, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Lemonade was a popular drink and it still is,
I get more props and stunts than Bruce Willis
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by WhatAboutBob_cats on Jul 12, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I think I may make it into another Bobcats player
but it’s already shaped to Boris’ physique. I want to make it into Tyrus but we’ll see
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by WhatAboutBob_cats on Jul 12, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
You'd have to change the face completely in that case.
Get out the olive/tan markers. I think you may need to make a cardboard cutout of a spainard in the near future.
Also +100000000000000000000 to David
For the fitting usage of “nonchalant” in the picture caption
Also, I’m going to miss Diaw. Maybe not because of his play the past season, but what his arrival signified. He was the last remnant of the trade that led to the Bobcats rise in popularity and eventually our first playoffs. His first year with the Cats was great and he was fun to watch when he was “on.” I’ve never seen a power forward make layups from such inconceivable angles. He had good passing skills as well. That said, I hope he does well in Toronto but moreso I hope we can turn this into a big trade.
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by WhatAboutBob_cats on Jul 12, 2010 9:48 AM EDT reply actions
Also, trade not done
Been told this #Bobcats trade with TOR thru PHX involving Boris Diaw is more complicated and involves more pieces. Still working things out
-Mike Cranston’s (AP sports writer) Twitter
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by WhatAboutBob_cats on Jul 12, 2010 9:50 AM EDT reply actions
STEVE NASH TO THE BOBCATS!!
Just kidding… hope I didn’t give anyone a heart attack
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by James The Aussie on Jul 12, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
oh come on...
we don’t need that. he’d only be good for a few years. then again…what great years they would be.
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by HAWKEYESBABY on Jul 12, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd be golden with Calderon, Barbosa or Jack...
A little crestfallen that it would mean the death of a CP3 trade, but turning Diaw into a starting PG is fantastic
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by James The Aussie on Jul 12, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I feel if we got
Calderon/Barbosa
I would open us up to Al Jeff talks again..
C/B-Jax-Crash-TT-Al Jeff… I am a huge fan of that lineup
GSO
I hope you're right
you too, James
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by WhatAboutBob_cats on Jul 12, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Big targets
CP3 or Agent Zero?
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by WhatAboutBob_cats on Jul 12, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
yea i'm not down with that
when there were top draft picks involved THIS year…maybe, but not now.
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by HAWKEYESBABY on Jul 12, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I still can't believe that CP3 is a possibility
I mean, I’m allowing myself to dream, but it’s just a dream.
I'm not going to use the bathroom either
not until we see what happens next!
there's too much sitting on the table right now
I can’t take the pressure. We have 5 Centers. We have two with decently sized expiring contracts. We have a LARGE trade exception about to be at our disposal. I don’t even know what to do with myself right now. I like Calderon…don’t mind Jack. Barbosa is good, but I’d rather not get him because that would limit Gerald Hendersons PT. You guys think we’ll get Amundson too? I honestly don’t want him that much. Great hustle, but kinda dumb.
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If this ends up being the last trade we make here is how I would hope it goes down:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=24rq5dl
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by James The Aussie on Jul 12, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I am totally down
with that trade. Lopez has room to improve. He has a chip on his shoulder after roughing around with the Lakers’ bigs this past playoffs. Could learn a lot from LB.
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by HAWKEYESBABY on Jul 12, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
me gusta tambien
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by WhatAboutBob_cats on Jul 12, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd take Robin Lopez over any other center that we have on the roster already
I really wanted us to draft Robin Lopez when we had the chance (before I knew Brooke was going to be available instead).
Interesting news; truth remains to be seen, though
Yesterday the Raptors shipped off Hedo Turkoglu to Phoenix and got Leandro Barbosa in return and have a deal that’s likely to drop today which will return Boris Diaw for Jose Calderon and Tyson CHandler for the trade exception the team obtained from Miami in the Bosh sign-and-trade deal.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=16779#ixzz0tTfdMDd0
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by WhatAboutBob_cats on Jul 12, 2010 10:27 AM EDT reply actions
so wait....ANOTHER trade exception?
So we’d get Calderon, and a trade exception…how much is the one with Bosh worth though? I’m cool with that, but that’s a little underwhelming unless we’re planning on making another move. Which seems likely.
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by HAWKEYESBABY on Jul 12, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
If that's the case then I think we might see Al Jefferson as a Bobcat
If we really are getting the full trade exception from Toronto for Chandler then we can send Nazr Mohammad and something to Minnesota for Jefferson, with the exception filling the salary gap.
As mentioned before a lineup of Calderon/Jax/Wallace/Thomas/Jefferson would be very, very deadly.
FYI, for those not familiar with Calderon’s game… he’s one of the most underrated PGs in the east (per 36)
14.2 ppg, 7.9 apg
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by James The Aussie on Jul 12, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Would Minn take just that for Al Jeff?
If so then I love this.
And I’ve been a huge fan of calderon for years!
GSO
gives em what they want
cap space
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by HAWKEYESBABY on Jul 12, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Just seems sad
He is a great player, one of the top talented C’s in the league and is young… trade him for cap space????
GSO
calderon is an improvement over felton
maybe not defensively but he pass like crazy and has a much better shot than felton
all these scenarios
are making act like a child! that starting lineup would be AWESOME!!!!!!!!
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by HAWKEYESBABY on Jul 12, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I like the Thomas Jefferson back court combo
We can go all declaration of independence against opposing teams. Whatever that means.
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Jul 12, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Is it possible to have CP3 and Al Jeff?
Calderon/Al Jeff or CP3/Okafor? If CP3 and Al Jeff is not possible I will choose CP3/Okafor
Honestly believe we could beat the Heat ANY year
with that lineup
LeSuck already struggled most against us. Bosh will be handled in the most IMO, TT will swat most everything, crash/Jeff will rebound the rest.
Dwade may score 35-40 (as he usually tears us up), but that is fine with me
GSO
cept when Jax got him into foul trouble
here in january and we beat them by 39. boosh!
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by HAWKEYESBABY on Jul 12, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i think the media is buliding up that team too much
bosh cant play defense at all and like said above we had been stopping Lebron…crash out played him when we beat them silly. Remember team USA had EVERYONE including these 3 douches and the could barely beat spain which only really had Gasol and some other good but not GREAT players
biggest wins over the so called Miami thrice
Vs Toronto 116-81, Cats win by 35
Vs Cleveland 110-93, Cats win by 17
Vs Miami 104-65, Cats win by 39
Combined, cats win by 91. That is how much I am predicting we will beat Miami by each time we play them
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by WhatAboutBob_cats on Jul 12, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
But because we only score like 85 a game
the score is going to be Bobcats 85, Heat -6
THAT’S RIGHT WE’RE GIVING THEM NEGATIVE POINTS
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by WhatAboutBob_cats on Jul 12, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
CP3, Jax, Wallace, TT, and.....................
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The Heat until they get some better role players.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jul 12, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
damn, I forgot we got Okafor out the deal.
CP3, Jax, Wallace, TT, and Okfaor >>>>>>>>>>>>Fisher, Wade, James, Bosh, Shaq.
I like our chances of Jax, Wallace, and TT against their big 3, but CP3 would push us over the edge.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jul 12, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I just know we are going to get something good
you know MJ HATES to lose so he will do anything to win. Thank goodness for an owner like that.
Honestly, as much as I love the CP3/Okafor deal Calderon/Jefferson may be better
Look at their combined per 36:
Paul/Okafor: 30.6 ppg, 10.96 apg, 15.07 reb
Calderon/Jefferson: 32.7 ppg, 9.8 apg, 13.1 reb
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by James The Aussie on Jul 12, 2010 10:47 AM EDT reply actions
if any of this happens we have to give MAD props to Jordan, LB, and the front office
Bobcats squad in 2007-2008
1 Derek Anderson G
11 Earl Boykins G
7 Primoz Brezec C
33 Jermareo Davidson F
4 Jared Dudley F
20 Raymond Felton G
24 Othella Harrington F-C
5 Walter Herrmann F
15 Ryan Hollins C
0 Jeff McInnis G
6 Nazr Mohammed C
50 Emeka Okafor C-F
23 Jason Richardson G
3 Gerald Wallace F
POSSIBLE squad 2010-2011
21 Alexis Ajinca C
14 D.J. Augustin PG
4 Derrick Brown F
Jose Calderon PG
7 DeSagana Diop C
15 Gerald Henderson G
1 Stephen Jackson SG
Al Jefferson C
12 Tyrus Thomas PF
03 Gerald Wallace SF
PLUS MORE?!?!
Look at the difference in potential between both lineups and thats with sucking monkey balls in the draft
+1
Every since Larry has become our coach, they’ve done a helluva job of assembling a more talented team.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jul 12, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I would anticipate Calderon's apg to increase
His assissts took a dip this year w/ the addition of Hedo (not to mention just a shitty season in Toronto). The two years prior to that he avereaged over 9 per 36min. Since we’re trading Diaw, I imagine Calderon to take over the primary facilitator role, while Jax can focus on scoring and wing defense.
Absolutely
Not to mention Calderon is an extremely efficient scorer.
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by James The Aussie on Jul 12, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
yea...i think he was injured last season too
but in LB’s system he could probably put up around 10 assists if Felton could do 6
True, he's a better all around shooter
He’d be a reasonable option to take a 3 as well.
You guys have no idea how excited this makes me.
DING DONG! THE WITCH IS DEAD!!! Bring on CP3 or Tony Parker.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jul 12, 2010 10:56 AM EDT reply actions
Or hell, even just Dwayne Jones.
Lmfao. I’m glad Boris and Raymond are gone. Check the posts. Those are the two players I’ve been lobbying to get out of Charlotte since the playoffs. Now, all we need is to find their replacements.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jul 12, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Though Jefferson doesn't really fit the roster
since he’s a 4 and not a 5. A starting front court of TT and Jeff is better than anything else we could put on the court next season.
Regardless of what happens with this trade exception, getting Calderon would be a real coup for us. I’m sure jose would be happy to play for LB as well.
Jefferson was actually better defensively at C than at PF
Though his scoring was worse at C in 2009, he rebounded slightly better.
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by James The Aussie on Jul 12, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
with JAX, Crash, and TT
we might have more than enough scoring options. We need a good rebounder and low post scoring threat and Al Jeff fills that. Now thinking about it I know CP3 is a beast but jose/al jeff is better because we get that low post threat we sorely need when we cant hit a jump shot and we all know okafor looks like robocop in the post
I think his slight improvement in some numbers while playing C
is more an artifact of where he’s standing on the floor while at the 5 vs. where he is while at the 4.
I still see him as a 4 who’s asked to play out of posistion like so many other bigs.
82 games has his rebounding rate as being 13.7 per 48 for both PF and Center
That’s for the 09/10 season. For 5 man units, the Jeff/Milicic unit seems to be better defensively than the Love/Jeff(at the 5) units as well.
My bad
I was looking at the opponent’s rebounding rate
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by James The Aussie on Jul 12, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
now getting CP3 and AL jeff would be ideal
but it could never happen
As much as I'd love to get CP3...
I still don’t see the Hornets trading him. Now the Calderon/Al Jefferson possibility makes me giddy as a little school girl. Dear God please let that happen.
Wait for it...
oh shit, you beat me to it andrew.
Still nothing but player exits
It’s just like the Panthers. Cut a bunch of vets and do nothing but sign special teams… Or in this case, bench hopefuls.
I’m really hoping this accumulates into a big bang, but there still is the possibility we are just trimming fat. Seems to be a trend around here lately.
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by southtunnel on Jul 12, 2010 11:42 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Did you see that the trade involves Jose Calderon per one source?
That is a significant upgrade at PG, even over Felton.
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by James The Aussie on Jul 12, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Not exactly the splash I was hoping for
Not even sure if that makes us better than last year. The best part for me is still getting Thomas in the starting lineup.
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by southtunnel on Jul 12, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Calderon is much better than Felton
He’s a more efficient scorer, a better passer…
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by James The Aussie on Jul 12, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't have the numbers in front of me...
But isn’t he like 35% 3p? 45% FG? How is he “much” better?
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by southtunnel on Jul 12, 2010 1:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Calderon is a career 49% fg, 39% 3p
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by WhatAboutBob_cats on Jul 12, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Felton is a career 41% fg, 31% 3p. I think that’s ‘much better’.
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by James The Aussie on Jul 12, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus, Calderon's 3p% is skewed downward
because of an outlier 1st season.
He’s been a fairly decent option behind the arc.
I'll take your word on it
How’s his assists?
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by southtunnel on Jul 12, 2010 1:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
5.9 assists in 26.7 minutes last season, but he took a hit with Jarrett Jack starting at the point and Toronto being in flux.
In 2008-09 he averaged 8.9 assists as a starter.
The Spaniard is a stud
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by James The Aussie on Jul 12, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
A few more things that may excite you ST
This is from last season, in limited time per NBA.com:
- 12th in the NBA in assists per game
- 23rd in the NBA in three point percentage
- 1st in the NBA in number of assists (404)
- 3rd in the NBA in assist to turnover ratio
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by James The Aussie on Jul 12, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice
Does he also make tapas?
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by southtunnel on Jul 12, 2010 1:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
LOL
I don’t doubt it! Tapas is the bomb… when I was in Madrid three years ago I lived off tapas and paella.
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by James The Aussie on Jul 12, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
He's also shot 90% from the foul line for two season
and his assisst numbers are better.
He’s not going to score more than Felton (he won’t really need to), but he will be more efficient, and generally run the offense better.
May be a let down on defense and is probably over paid, but he still makes the team better.
Sorry, the CP3 talk was just a delightful fantasy, it was never going to actually happen.
So are we taking Diaw back?
because I was happy that he was gone for the past 15 minutes. I cant stand to watch another game where he ends it with 0 rebounds.
I read that Chris Paul was predicting a Super Team with the Knicks in 2012 with himself and Melo joining Amare. Mabey Paul is a Diva like Lebron and only cares about playing with other “superstars” You would think playing close to home and competing for a Championship would be more appealing.
I read that
I don’t know how much of that is a fleece job by the NY Post, but the report I read said that this was more of something the Knicks were floating and Paul was interchangeable with Tony Parker.
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by James The Aussie on Jul 12, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously, WTF?
Lemonade was a popular drink and it still is,
I get more props and stunts than Bruce Willis
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by WhatAboutBob_cats on Jul 12, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
but you know what
this is gonna make working class players like Crash and Jax come out and punch these superstars in the mouth even harder.
Crash owns Lebron
Lol, I always like to look at what's going on on the other side of the fence.
Just visited the Raptors fan site, and they hate the deal. Lol. SUCKERS!!!
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jul 12, 2010 12:36 PM EDT reply actions
I feel bad for them... they're dilusional
Chandler would be a nice piece. He’s that rebounding grit we need at C.
- We must have missed that part of his game.
Diaw is oe of those multi-tool point forwards that BC loves, can guard four positions and is able to slot anywhere into the lineup.
- Standing and watching someone school you doesn’t really classify as ‘guarding’.
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by James The Aussie on Jul 12, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I can guard all 5 positions then...
6 if you count the coach
by andrewlail76 on Jul 12, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
RIck Bonnell reported the deal was for Calderon with us giving up diaw and Chandler. Calderon is no chris paul but i will be Ok with it if we can get Jefferson
Adios Diaw and Chandler
Thats what happens when you mess with the Bobcats and dont give your best effort. We send your asses to Canada. haha. They were the weak links all of last year and I am happy to see them gone.
Calderon was injured last year though and had a severe drop in assists and slight drop in points per game. I still think its a good move and I see him improving under LB.
Do we need a center now? Jefferson would be my first choice but if not, Is Brenden Haywood still out there? He was very nice in fantasy last year.
Haywood re-signed with the Mavs I think
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by WhatAboutBob_cats on Jul 12, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
The news is the Mavs want the Twolves to take on more contracts than just Dampiers. They want them to take Matt Carroll or Stevenson along with Dampier. Mabey we can get something done with Mini.
Can't hurt
And the fans really liked him
by andrewlail76 on Jul 12, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Matt Carroll was deadly. The problem was we tried to really make him a part
of our main rotation. About 8 minutes a night, and he’ll be hell.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jul 12, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Carroll may be less use to us than Diop
But his contract is easier to digest. Burp!
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Jul 12, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
WTF?
Carroll would be more use…We don’t really need an anchor to hold the bench down
Carroll could easily come intoa game and serve a purpose
by andrewlail76 on Jul 12, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
With Chandler gone, Diop is temporarily part of our plans at Center
Carroll would end up as third option at SG.
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Jul 12, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Diop is an integral part of our plans for Center. Absolutely essential.
For at least the next couple of days or so.
by Ourdaywillcome on Jul 12, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Not entirely
The Mavs weren’t willing to give up Dampier’s expiring, which killed the deal.
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by James The Aussie on Jul 12, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Dampier's contract for this year
isn’t fully guaranteed, which is why the Mavs are trying to hard to hold on to it unless they get a great deal.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jul 12, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
Personally, Dampier for Jefferson classifies as a ‘great deal’ to me… but I’m not Mark Cuban
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by James The Aussie on Jul 12, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that's a "wonderful deal" to me.
Idk what Cuban is smoking on down there. I want some though.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jul 12, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
They want to rid themselves of guards... they don't want another one.
Jefferson can be had for Nazr’s expiring and the trade exception. They were willing to part with him for just Erick Dampier’s expiring contract.
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by James The Aussie on Jul 12, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
If we can make it work for just Naz that would be great. Seems like one of the more onesided trades to ever go down. But then again the Lakers pulled off Gasol
It is one sided... but Minnesota are desperate
They ruined the market by asking too much and now they’re going to get almost nothing
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by James The Aussie on Jul 12, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I am wondering why the reports are Diaw and “mabey” Chandler going out. Do we not need Tyson for the Jefferson deal or is the Trade exception more valuable to us?
I think it’s because Toronto don’t want to give up any of the trade exception. There is no other player who Charlotte would want that could make up the difference in dollars.
That being said, if we just traded Diaw for Calderon outright the Bobcats just robbed the Raptors blind.
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by James The Aussie on Jul 12, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay, so from comparing both the Bonnell article, ESPN and an article in Toronto here's what we believe:
- Charlotte will be getting Jose Calderon (both sources)
- Charlotte will be getting Dwayne Jones (ESPN)
- Charlotte will be getting another ‘unnamed player’ from one of the two teams (Bonnell)
- Toronto will be getting Boris Diaw and Tyson Chandler (both sources)
- Toronto will not be giving up any of the trade exception (Toronto source only)
The last bullet point doesn’t make any sense. Toronto can’t take on $21 million in salary from Charlotte without sending some of the trade exception down here.
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by James The Aussie on Jul 12, 2010 1:18 PM EDT reply actions
yeah im confused....
this mean we are not getting al jeff? :(
Highly dependant
As far as I see it there are two ways to get Al Jefferson:
1. Trade Tyson Chandler’s expiring contract to Minnesota
2. Trade Nazr Mohammad and part of Toronto’s trade exception to Minnesota
The Toronto reporter hasn’t done his math. It just doesn’t make any sense for Toronto to get Chandler without sending the exception.
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by James The Aussie on Jul 12, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok heres an Idea the “mabey Chandler” part of the deal might include a 4th team mabey the Twolves sending us Jefferson and another player to Toronto and Twolves get Chandler. I mean why would the Raptors want Chandler they just paid Amir and they have Rasha.
Definitely a possibility.
I didn’t rule it out.
Minnesota want to trade Ramon Sessions, but I don’t know if that’s a player Toronto would want.
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by James The Aussie on Jul 12, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
F it.
Just scrap the whole deal altogether. Lol.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jul 12, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I would rather have calderon than diaw though
But not if thats the only key player we get this offseason
GSO
This is GREAT
I have practically been glued to this thread all day.
Did anyone see that Calderon was 151 for 154 at the charity stripe during the ‘08-’09 season, good for 98%? That’s gotta be a record, right? Did he not shoot the minimum requirements to qualify? That is uncanny…
Uncanny is right
Though he doesn’t get to the line as often as one would like
I actually like it
I’d rather the PG be a spot up shooter and let the lane driving fall to Jax and G-Force.
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by James The Aussie on Jul 12, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
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