Maggette traded to Bucks; more Warriors players on the move?
by David A. Arnott on Jun 22, 2010 8:52 PM EDT
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PrintI know what the Warriors are doing, but what are the Bucks thinking? Why don't they understand that Corey Maggette is a final piece, not a building block? Why don't they understand that an isolation scorer-only type won't mesh with Scott Skiles's style unless something major changes?
The most interesting bit for Bobcats fans in that Golden State of Mind post is that Andris Biedrins is the next most likely to be traded. Once Nazr Mohammed exercises his option, he can be traded, and the Cats can offer him with Gerald Henderson (provided Hendo is still in Larry Brown's doghouse). Talent-wise, I'd rather have the big Latvian than most of the chaff that'll be out there in free agency this summer, especially if Tyson Chandler opts out, like he's rumored to be leaning towards doing, but since Biedrins is signed through 2014 at Boris Diaw money, it's not necessarily the best idea to take on his contract.
Would you rather have someone like Biedrins, at $9 mil per year, and try to trade Diaw for something? I don't think we're ever going to convince the Bulls to part with Hinrich, but that's one we've long sought. Or would you rather trawl through veteran debris and hope Brad Miller or someone reasonably decent signs for a pittance?
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I'd love to make a deal for Biedrins now we have confirmation Tryrus Thomas wants to stay (see my fanshot)
I’d rather not give up Hendo if possible, but I guess that really does depend, like you say, on whether Larry Brown sees a future with him in the NBA.
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Agreed. Henderson shouldn't be discarded like Jordan Hill.
Biedrins wouldn’t bring anything special to the Cats.
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by Julius Coxswain on Jun 23, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
What's the point of keeping him if your coach will never play him?
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
There you are!
What’s shakin’ man…been a LOOOOOOONG time
by andrewlail76 on Jun 23, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Ill answer questions about the team if you want
When I get older, I will be stronger.
They’ll call me freedom, just like a Waving Flag
Who would you consider to be ‘untouchable’ at this point on the Warrior’s roster? Steph Curry is a given, but who else?
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Whom they're ready to trade like, yesterday.
Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Ellis would be really hard to get as well as Randolph, everyone else is available
When I get older, I will be stronger.
They’ll call me freedom, just like a Waving Flag
I never really liked Ellis
Sure he can score, but he just doesn’t seem to make his team better.
Forget about Biedrins
We need a pg. What can we do to trade for Collison and NOT take Okafor back?
Not much
There are more rumors today about Chris Paul being moved, which would only happen if New Orleans likes Collison, which they do.
I love Collison’s game, but they want to shed contracts and if Okafor’s is sent to whoever gets CP3, then they’ll be wanting someone to accept Stojakovic’s deal or James Posey’s contract… both of which are poor.
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by James Dator on Jun 23, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
A team in their situation is never trading a player like that.
He’s good, cheap, and controlled.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 23, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Well...Collison will never start in front of CP3
and after last season he’ll deffinitely be attractive in trades w/ other teams. So in their situation I can believe NO would be willing to trade Collison for serious cap relief and decent talent coming back or a little cap relief and good talent coming back.
Having a player like that might well force Jennings to be more of a distributor.
Further, no less than Steph Curry has raved about what a good mentor Maggette was. As for Biedrins, I’d take him in a heartbeat. He’d give us the double-double machine we lost when we picked up Mr. Glass (albeit without the defense, which wouldn’t likely please LB.)
Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 23, 2010 10:03 AM EDT reply actions
Isn't Biedrins injury prone?
Or was last season just a bad season for him?
Also…with NO not playing that great…I didn’t hear much on the Okafor front. How many double-doubles did he rack up this season? I saw that this season is avg rebounds was under 10…so I was just curious how he fared…
by andrewlail76 on Jun 23, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
He was played fewer minutes
I think that made his numbers dip. The knock on Okafor is that he’s overpaid, which is the Bobs fault, but no longer their problem.
What do you guys think about the Bobs trading for Collison and Okafor and sending NO cap relief++ in return? I think NO would swap Tyson for Okafor back in a second given their respective contracts. And we solve our pg dilema.
Maggette also played for Duke...
which is known to put out future NBA cham… oh shucks…nevermind.
What else is Curry going to say?
He’s a very nice kid and definitely isn’t going to badmouth a teammate to the press. Come on what does that matter?
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Douglas-Roberts to Bucks for 2012 2nd rounder
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5317950
I wouldve thought hes worth more than that. He was tearing it up for a while last year in fantasy.
The Nets are going batshit crazy to try and get Chris Paul because they believe it's the way to Lebron James
The Hornets already turned down Devin Harris and the #3 overall pick, but maybe they’re clearing more space to accept Okafor’s contract, which seems to be the kicker in getting Paul?
I agree though, CDR was a 13.6 ppg scorer per 36 on 0.445 shooting. He was a steal in the 2nd round when he was selected, so flipping him for a 2nd only makes sense if it’s part of a bigger plan.
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by James Dator on Jun 23, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know how I feel about it yet, but how would people feel about a Gerald Wallace or Stephen Jackson for Al Jefferson swap?
Several outlets are saying that if the Timberwolves are able to draft Demarcus Cousins they will be looking to trade Al Jefferson for a wingman (enter Wallace).
Like I said, I don’t know if I like the idea or not but Jefferson is young, pretty durable and is a legit 20 and 10 guy when he has a little help.
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I'd trade Jax before Wallace
I also wouldn’t trade a wing for a big unless the Bobs had some other deals in the works. Jefferson just doesn’t fit the roster if you give up either Jax or Wallace.
Trading Crash is like selling your soul to the devil. Anyone that plays that hard, you cant put a pricetag on even if hes not as talented as other players. Anyone else on the team is fair game though.
Also, whats up with Jeffersons dropoff from two years ago to last year. Something to worry about?
He had a knee injury...
That’s something to worry about, but I haven’t read anywhere that he won’t be back to 100%
Jefferson played and started 76 games last year.
His knee injury was in 2008-09 where he missed 32 games, but it seems to be fine no judging by his 17.1 ppg and 9.3 rpg season. He also set the Wolves franchise record for rebounds with 26 this last season.
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Still not sold on him if it means giving up Jax or Wallace
Not unless we make other changes to the roster.
yeah but
whats up with his 6 ppg dropoff.
23 ppg 2 years ago
17 last year.
Does it have to do with Love taking more of his touches? If we are trading Crash or Jax, I feel like we need a 20+ppg player.
We need Jax for his playmaking.
Unless we have something better at PG coming down the pipe.
You need to look at their per 36 minute stats to accurately compare players. Wallace and Jackson are higher because they player more mins
Gerald Wallace: 16 ppg, 7.9 rpg, 2.0 apg
Stephen Jackson: 19.3 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 3.3 apg
Al Jefferson: 18.9 ppg, 10.3 rpg
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Hit post too early.
As for the drop off, Jefferson went from playing 36.2 mins per game to 32.4 mins. This explains most of the drop. The Timberwolves experimented with some small ball that took away his chances
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Still not loving him
You’re not looking at big differences in point total from one player to the next. Jeff gets more rebounds that Wallace, but Wallace is a small forward and is the heart and soul of this team.
I stand by what I said before about Jax.
I'm not advocating one way or another, like I said, Im not sold one the idea
I do know though that it’s more difficult to find a 20 and 10 big man than a wingman.
I don’t believe they should tinker with the team too much and ruin the chemistry, but I’m also trying to take emotions out of the equation.
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I know we have never had a post player of Jeffersons calliber on this team
I would be willing to trade Jax but not Crash. Who knows, maybe Hendo would step up if one of them got traded though. Diaw would have to do more playmaking unless we trade him for a pg.
I guess the ‘chicken and the egg’ question then becomes:
“If you have a post presence like Jefferson do you need to rely on your other players to be such playmakers?”
I don’t know the answer, but I do know that a scoring big man is the ‘easy way out’ when the rest of your guys can’t get something going.
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I argue yes
You still need wings who can make plays.
Jefferson still doesn’t fit the roster. If we traded for him, we shouldn’t make the QO to Thomas. Then leave Diaw as the 6th man. Then overpay for Felton or find someone else to play pg. Either way, you lose a little overall as a team. I’m saying as a team decision, it’s not a good one unless there are other major moves to go along w/ it.
That's not a bad plan although I wouldn't write off Thomas
Why don’t you think Jefferson fits the Bobcats’ roster? He looks like a great fit to me and would instantly become the scoring big this team has never really had.
He's a really good player...
But we can’t have Diaw AND Thomas coming off the bench. Maybe try and trade Diaw and sign Thomas instead of what I said above, but still, teams will know we’re desparate to move Diaw.
If we traded Jax, our starting back court would be ?????
Maybe DJ and Hendo… Not a pretty sight regardless of who you put up front.
I said it above, we’d have to have some other deals coming down the pipe to make this one attractive.
I agree the Bobcats would need to trade for a playmaking SG in that scenario. Ideally, they would use Diaw to make that trade, but they wouldn’t have to trade Diaw. As a backup, Diaw would pick up minutes at SF, and Thomas would play some C depending on matchups. That’s not ideal, but IMO it could work, and it would hopefully help limit the minutes the starters play.
Associated Press (via SI) are reporting that the Bobcats are involved in several scenarios
After working out dozens of draft prospects in the past few weeks, the Bobcats have been talking deals with numerous teams in the past few days. Potential scenarios include something as big as a multiplayer trade that nets a first-round pick to something as simple as purchasing a second-round choice.
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/basketball/nba/draft/06/23/bobcats.ap/index.html#ixzz0rhRslv7a
I wonder what multi-player trade could be available? Pacers are wanting to get out of the 10 spot and get an established PG, so perhaps a sign and trade with Felton?
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I like Felton to Indy for their 10th pick
Maybe get a year long rental on Ford and take Monroe or another PF at number 10. Then we def have to trade Diaw.
Me too
Chicago still want to move Hinrich according to their newspaper. So, I would love to see us send Nazr’s expiring and something (to make the $$ work) and use the #10 overall to draft a guy like Cole Aldrich for a 5 spot.
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Tyrus wants to be here long term, and there are servicable PFs in free agency for cheap
Thomas has young legs and could give us 35 mins per game.
Then you can go for a guy like Udonis Haslem or Amir Johnson with an MLE to cover the other 13 minutes.
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Great deal for the Bobcats
But I doubt Felton is worth the #10 pick. At any rate, he can’t be signed or traded until July 8.
With a #10 pick we can pick another Gerald Henderson
Is this worth losing Felton?
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Jun 24, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Felton is likely gone anyway
And Charlotte may well lose him for nothing.
Damn that is right...forgot about that
No Hope for us…
by andrewlail76 on Jun 27, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Celtics shopping 19th pick
http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nba/news/story?id=5318897
the picks are out there.
The might like Felton to backup Rondo
Possibilities abound, and surely Felton is starting to realize that outside of playing cheap for the Bobcats it’s unlikely he’ll land a starting job somewhere.
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I think the prospect of picking up Jefferson would be great This team with a post pressence would be dangerous. I think you have to keep wallace though. He does so many things for this team a stat sheet cant tell the whole story. I like Tyrus as a starter playing with Jefferson. I think we should trade Diaw and Hope Chandler Opts out. I think Jax can be replaced with a spot up shooter or a cheap guy who gets his offense like Flip. If we had Jefferson our offense could run through him. Im guessing he turns the ball over less than Jax and shoots a far higher fg%.
There goes Miamis draft pick
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2010/news/story?id=5320725
Miami trades 18th and Cook to Thunder for 32nd pick…Geez Im gonna be so disappointed if tommorrow is over with and the Bobs are still the same.
Couldn't have had that pick
A shooter and a pick would be nice, but they didn’t want to take back any salary and we don’t have room to add any without giving some up.
Boston and Indiana are the ones to keep an eye on. Possibly Minnesota and Memphis (too many picks) and don’t be surprised to see OKC drop one (they have 3 now, all in the same range).
Hinrich to Wizards (or Kings, we'll see July 8)
No Kirk for us.
I hope this means we're pulling the trigger on a trade
My mind can’t comprehend us not making this deal otherwise.
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