Diaw for Turkoglu -- Would you make that trade?

by Charlotte Bobcat on Jun 1, 2010 9:37 AM EDT

(DA: From the FanPosts)

Trade was mentioned on ESPN's Insider Rumor.

How do you guys feel about the prospect of this trade? Hedo Turkoglu, another player I had in my top 10 players likely to be acquired list, has fallen out of favor in Toronto. But, everyone knows that I've been wanting Boris Diaw out of Charlotte all year. His non-ability to take, or hit, a big shot has been frustrating all year. I know Turk has gotten in trouble a little bit this year for various blunders, but I think he's far superior to Diaw on the court. The one thing that would have to happen though is Turk would have to turn into a 6th man, as I wouldn't trust him as our starting PF. But, I think if we could do this, our team improves by a little at least.

(DA again: This was batted around among SB Nation hoops bloggers on our email list, and here's what I wrote about it.

The folks over at Rufus on Fire have battled and battled over guys like Hedo, because the Bobcats are capped out and the FO doesn't believe they can afford luxury free agents, anyway. So, the thinking goes, the Cats are willing to take on other teams' "bad" contracts and reap the rewards the talent brings because we have no desire for cap room; we only care about the bottom line and, by extension, the luxury tax. (See: Stephen Jackson)

So, in other words, if you want to trade Hedo and Jarrett Jack for Diaw and DeSagana Diop, MJ would be strongly inclined to sign off on it, contingent on our ability to re-sign Tyrus Thomas. Hedo would probably be our starting PF. Don't know if you'd take that, but it's the most talent we can offer back, and even though both those guys have long contracts, you're out from under Hedo sooner. If you want shorter contracts, then you can't have Diaw, and we'd give you Nazr Mohammed and Alexis Ajinca with Diop, instead. Hedo's deal is so many years out, this is the sort of thing I think you'd be able to get for him.

To sum up, I think it's well worth exploring, but I agree that playing Hedo at PF won't exactly produce a Larry Brown type of defense.)

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Anything is an improvement over Diaw.

If they take Diop too I see no reason why not to pull the trigger. Especially if they include Jarrett Jack, which would sweeten the deal. I think it could even be prudent to assess Toronto’s interest in Raymond Felton and include him in a sign and trade for say… Marco Belinelli

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by James Dator on Jun 1, 2010 11:01 AM EDT reply actions

I see a reason

Hedo’s not a pf and we’re thin at the pf if we trade away Diaw.

Here’s another: Hedo isn’t going to start over GW.

He either starts at the 4 or comes off the bench. Either way he’s out of place.

Having said that, I do acknowledge the potency on offense that he can bring.

by and1droid on Jun 1, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions

Diaw himself is thin at PF

Granted, we would need to get a backup for Tyrus and trading is entirely predicated on him resigning long term but realistically can Boris Diaw match up with Kevin Garnett any better than Turkoglu could at the position?

I’m not advocating that Turkoglu would be played at PF, but he gives us the 6th man and much needed scoring infusion off the bench.

With the money off the books from Diop and Diaw we could sign a mid level PF.

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by James Dator on Jun 1, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Realistically, yea Diaw is a much better match up for most any 4 in the league.

I just see Hedo as a lateral move if you look at the whole picture.

Hedo’s better on offense, but you’re trading a starter for a 6th man? Is Tyrus ready to start? Maybe. But we’re still woefully thin at the pf spot if we make this move.

by and1droid on Jun 2, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions

Ditching Diop and adding Jack make this a trade a bargain

For me, adding Diop and Jack pushes this deal over the top, and I probably wouldn’t be in favor of it without them included in the deal. Turk isn’t close to worth his contract, but sending out two bad contracts would compensate for that. Turk would get manhandled by some of the bigger PF’s so Charlotte would definitely need Ty Thomas or another traditional PF to make this deal work. And Jack would be a great addition to Charlotte who should be able to fill Felton’s role well. This deal would benefit Charlotte enough that I’d be willing to throw in Hendo if necessary.

by ClipCat on Jun 1, 2010 11:30 AM EDT reply actions

Give Thomas more minutes at the 4 and the problem is solved.

They don’t need to take on anymore horrible contracts.

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by D.W.G. on Jun 1, 2010 12:58 PM EDT reply actions

+100

I don’t trust Hedo. That whole “I’m sick, guys – see ya at the club tonight!” incident left a bad taste in my mouth. Just put Diaw on the bench, and make him compete with Thomas’ production to earn his playing time back.

by Newsinz on Jun 1, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions

+7

by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Jun 2, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions

Charlotte's got some nice clubs and bars,

I’m sure Hedo will enjoy them, although I don’t know how they compare to the ones in Toronto.

Dude, if we can ditch Diop as well, I say go for it, lol.

by Roger, Roger on Jun 1, 2010 1:19 PM EDT reply actions

Getting rid of that cancer of a contract

in Diop makes it a great deal. And ive been tired on diaw’s on and off play and turk is just as good a passer as diaw just not as good a defender.

by Fonz21 on Jun 1, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions

if it is the only way to get rid of Diop contract I will say Yes

I say NO if Diaw and Turks is the only player involve in the deal coz Turks stats are all going down this past 2 seasons and he is not a defensive player that LB wants but if we can include Diop contract in this trade, that will be a big YES..

by mjfan on Jun 1, 2010 2:36 PM EDT reply actions

I don't really know if it's fair to say 'Turkoglu's stats are all going down the past 2 seasons'

In 2009-10, definitely… but 07-08 where he averaged 19.5 was clearly the exception, not the rule. He’s consistently averaged between 13 and 17 points and shot slightly over .400.

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by James Dator on Jun 1, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions

As I think most of us are thinking,

I don’t like Turkadodo’s attitude and between him and Boris, I’d take Boris…….buuuut, getting rid of Diop and his contract would be awesome.

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by Ben Swanson on Jun 1, 2010 4:13 PM EDT reply actions

i dont make this trade

because of the D.

and i STILL think that #2/Brand trade is the best thing for us since sliced bread.

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by StudMuffin15 on Jun 1, 2010 10:33 PM EDT reply actions

+1

Getting rid of Diop’s contract would be nice, but Turkadodo is a nono for me

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by Ben Swanson on Jun 2, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions

Hold on......my house is on fire. Oh, is Turk is holding a bucket of water? I still would not trade for him.

by Aisander D on Jun 2, 2010 2:03 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs

Giving Tyrus the starting job

and letting Diaw come in and be mediocre off the bench is a much better plan. I’m a heavy advocate for giving Tyrus what he wants and working with him on what he can do better. I’ve seen it with my own two eyes. When the kid wants to. He IS going to score in the post. Develop his post moves. Allow him to shoot SOME. Tyrus needs freedom more than criticism. He just wants to know he’s valued by his team and coaches. The rest will follow. Bulkin up the Derr Devil and gettin rid of Diaw might be a pretty likeable situation. IF we could get LB to pay more attention to the young guys. Gotta be honest. The best trade situation I’ve seen so far has been the Arenas one proposed by Bobcats Baseline. It makes sense. Well…as long as his knees hold out.

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by HAWKEYESBABY on Jun 2, 2010 8:58 AM EDT reply actions

getting Arenas in a trade like that would be great...

but I am not sure if the wizards would accept that trade that the baseline offered while giving up a promising center and a 1st round pick. I know they might want to get rid a Arenas but not that bad I think…although they did give up jamison for nothing but cap space but we wouldn’t be giving them cap space like that since they would get Diop’s horrible contract. I still think they would ask for Chandler’s expiring and probably hendo or brown to get something promising back from losing McGee and a 1st rounder. I think washington still believes Arenas has plenty of value because he did average 22 points and 7 assist before his stupidity kicked in and if JAX got a second chance and still has value at his age then I am sure Arenas does too…his injuries are what hurt his value the most.

by Fonz21 on Jun 2, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions

risky trade

Risky trade, but for me I will still take that risk of taking Arenas contract rather than taking Diop contract. And even we lose Chandler we still have a good future with McGee. And if I will choose between Hendo and Brown, I wil choose Brown to stay and give Hendo to Wizard.

by mjfan on Jun 3, 2010 5:32 AM EDT up reply actions

The Wizards wouldn't dare accept that deal

that Baseline proposed. First of all, you’re losing Gilbert, who could very well return to All-Star form any given time, McGee, who has a bright future in the league, and a sure to be very high first round pick? Once Gilbert gets back on the court and shows that he’s still one of the top PG’s in the league, his trade value will rise immensely. They aren’t going to trade him for anything just for the sake of trading him.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Jun 3, 2010 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions

exactly what im thinking

by Fonz21 on Jun 3, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions

This trade also fixes Charlotte's hole at PG

If Thomas is signed and the rest of the core remains, then the luxury tax will likely mean the end of Ray Felton as a Bobcat. Including Jarrett Jack in this trade would give Charlotte a very solid replacement. He would be just about as important to the Bobcats in this deal as Turkoglu. Put another way, Turk and filler for Diaw and Diop is just a lateral move, while Turk and Jack for Diaw and Diop would be a creative way to potentially improve the Bobcats without exceeding the luxury tax.

by ClipCat on Jun 2, 2010 12:14 PM EDT reply actions

Raymond can sign for the mid-level.

He doesn’t deserve anything more than that.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Jun 3, 2010 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions

Agree

However, the issue is that the Bobcats aren’t going to pay the luxury tax to sign Felton. If the Bobcats were to sign both Thomas and Felton to contracts starting at $6 million, then they would owe around $4 million in luxury tax AND they would lose their portion of the luxury tax to be paid by other teams (not sure what that will be, but it’s significant).

This trade would effectively give the Bobcats two fringe starter/rotation players for the price of one (plus a 3rd string center). That’s a huge benefit to a team that can’t realisticly afford to sign or replace both of its key free agents.

by ClipCat on Jun 3, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions

+1

Which is why I’m already done with thinking that Felton will return. I still have hope for Tyrus since he’s an RFA, but I think it’s pretty safe to say Raymond has played his last game as a Bobcat, unless “this is the where he wants to be” like he keeps saying. And, I’m really at peace with it. You never really knew what to think throughout the season, but after the playoffs, I’m fine with him leaving. Ultimately, I think this team will make all of it’s improvements through either a Diaw trade or one of our expiring contracts. I think Jax and Wallace are pretty much the only that’s a lock to return next year.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Jun 4, 2010 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions