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Top 5 Reasons We Should Trade for Elton Brand and the #2 pick

A quick analysis of reasons why I think the Bobcats should make the move.

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Top 5 Reasons I think we should trade for Elton Brand. As always, I'm open to hearing other reasons why we should or why we shouldn't make a move for him.

 

1. Elton Brand is still a decent player. I don't care what anyone says, he's been hurt, but he can still contribute in a big way. Playing under Eddie Jordan and his Princeton offense pretty much hurt everyone on the team. After sitting out with injuries for most of the past few years, Brand was able to stay relatively healthy last year but appeared mediocre under Jordan. I don't think that would be the case in Charlotte, as the offense would probably flow through him a lot more considering we have almost no post game.

2. Elton Brand fills a position need. The Bobcats made a desperate play at the deadline for Tyrus Thomas in shipping off a 1st round pick, Ronald Murray and Acie Law, but still face the prospect of losing the restricted free agent. Although he did fairly well in his stint (so far maybe) in Charlotte, he didn't really fill the role I wanted from a new pf, a low post banger. He took as many jumpers as Boris Diaw. Brand doesn't do that. He's a classic PF that plays down-low and tries to get the easiest baskets possible.

3. Elton Brand's terrible contract fits into the Bobcat's "plan" for the future. The summer of 2013/14 is really going to be the year that the Bobcats have a shot at signing a major free agent with how the team is currently constructed. The only players that year so far are Gerald Henderson and possibly the last year Diop's contract (I hate him). Even if the Bobcats won't have room to maneuver in the short term, they would still be on the same path they are pretty much now. I mean, that's only a couple of years. We can play through that right?

4. Elton Brand is a Duke boy. Everyone knows that fans of North Carolina teams are a lot quicker to embrace hometown heroes than a lot of other fans. Him being here, he'll have a ton of support from the fan base and can possibly get back to being half of the elite player he was when he landed the contract. I think, even now, a lot of fans want him to succeed just because of his well-natured character. I know I do.

5. WE GET THE NUMBER 2 PICK!!! I mean, are people not realizing this? This pick could actually turn out to be John Wall, depending on what the Wizards choose to do. I mean, even if Wall doesn't fall, that's still the chance to either draft Turner or Cousins, two players the Bobcats could desperately use and could possibly turn into franchise cornerstones. I really don't see the harm in this other than having the guilt of knowing you're overpaying for Brand. If he stays healthy, it's well worth it.

 

What do you think ROF fans? Should we dangle Tyson Chandler's expiring deal for Brand and the pick, or should we pass on it?

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ooh!

Let’s get another “damaged goods” player
We took a chance on Chandler…why not go with Brand too.
We may have enough for 1 guy…if we put all the damaged parts together…
Or we dump Chandler for Brand…then we just swap for another guy that is iffy…trying to find his game again…
Would getting Brand mean we would get to see Hendo on the court with him. Maybe 2 Duke guys on the court at once is a good thing…of course I want a push to get Boozer and Reddick as well then. Hell why not Sheldon Williams too.

It would be the ultimate change of face…Go with a starting 5 of all Duke guys.
They should mesh well because Coach K hasn’t changedd the way he coaches…maybe we could even replace LB with Coach K…finally lure him away from Duke.

by andrewlail76 on May 23, 2010 8:46 PM EDT reply actions  

I think you put a little bit too much stock into player's pasts. I mean, by that,

we could also call Amare Stoudemire and Baron Davis “damaged goods” players as well. Elton Brand played in 76 games last year so his health shouldn’t be the real concern, but rather whether he can rebound from his injuries or not. Plus, I think you’re forgetting the bigger part of the trade, the number 2 pick. Those damn sure wouldn’t be “damaged goods”. And, I really don’t give a damn about Duke. I’m a UNC fan. I just needed a number 5 reason.

by Charlotte Bobcat on May 23, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

#2 pick and that HORRIBLE contract

Don;t think i’m forgetting a thing…especially with the PT a rookie will get.
And we’d probably take that #2 and draft Yo Beem…or his less apt brother…for a project

You guys have to remember how successful we are with a draft. Us with a draft pick is like playing Russian roulette…with a bullet in every spot. We’re sure to shoot ourselves…

by andrewlail76 on May 23, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s one thing to have a low teen draft pick and screw up, than to have a top two draft pick. I don’t think it’s possible to screw up with the second pick with Evan Turner, Derrick Favors, DeMarcus Cousins, etc. This seems to me to be a pretty deep draft

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by Ben Swanson on May 23, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doubtful. But there will be a lot more pressure on Larry to

play this guy considering it’s a number 2 pick. I mean, you think Larry would sit John Wall?

by Charlotte Bobcat on May 24, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

And there was zero pressure to play Hendo?

Or Derrick Brown…DB actually was showing promise.

by andrewlail76 on May 24, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think I need to tell you the difference

between playing the number 12 pick and a 2nd rounder and the overall number 2 pick in the draft. Unless the guy turns out to be Adam Morrison 2.0, they will see playing time. Especially if it’s Cousins, who would instantly be the best big on the roster.

by Charlotte Bobcat on May 24, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

All I know is that we were think at SF and at SG

and there was NO interest whatsoever to so much as “try” them in their positions during the season.

True that a 12 and a 2nd rounder are not the same thing as a #2 overall…

neither is tying up more cash…unless Brand can really give us that boost…

Also…a question…if we did this…no need for Tyrus?

Are we able to fill the need at PG…I won’t call it a hole since everyone would think I am pro Felton

by andrewlail76 on May 24, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know what the hell was up with Larry's rotation last year

but, he did have Flip Murray, Larry Hughes, and Stephen Graham filling in those roles last year as well. I don’t know if he really thought like they were better than Hendo and Derrdevil, but, I’ll just assume that their lack of p.t. can be contributed to a little bit more than Larry’s hate for rookies. I mean, this is the NBA, the pick can also be an asset that Larry uses to package with another player like Diaw or something to acquire a good veteran that he can trust (maybe even Tony Parker?).

I don’t know about Tyrus. Right now, I’m just under the assumption that one of the teams that strikes out on signing the major free agents is going to overpay for him. Same with Felton. However, before making the trade, we could possibly get one or both of their situations resolved. But, you’re right, this trade does make a Thomas return less likely.

by Charlotte Bobcat on May 24, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol, you talk as if you have to pay Elton Brand's salary.

Chandler makes roughly 13 million this year, Brand makes about 14. You really trying to tell me that you would rather have Tyson Chandler than Elton Brand and a number 2 pick? I mean, are we worried about team salary or making the team better now? Seems to me that you would rather hold on to Chandler’s expiring deal to team with Nazr’s to have room next year to sign a middle of the road free agent. Michael Jordan and Larry Brown have consistently said and demonstrated that they will try to improve the team with trades. If you’re waiting on free agency, you’re basically in rebuilding mode. Is that anyway for a team coming off it’s first playoff appearance to operate? Like they need to start all over? Our salary cap space is shot anyway for the next few years, so we may as well pick up a decent starting caliber PF (which we need) and a high draft pick. ( I mean, with all the bitching ROF fans were doing about trading away the number #17 pick, you should be ecstatic we have a chance to move back into the draft, especially at number 2. There are no Adam Morrison’s this year to confuse GM’s. You will get a legit player at number 2).

by Charlotte Bobcat on May 24, 2010 6:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also, don't forget,

in two years, Brand’s deal is going to go from the most un-tradeable to one of the most desired as it will be an expiring 18 million dollar deal.

by Charlotte Bobcat on May 24, 2010 6:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

So what's 2 more years of waiting...

Wait…what kind of shape will Jax and Crash be in when 2 years are up?
Surely by then we’ll have the team right where we want them…right?

by andrewlail76 on May 24, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sure Jax and Crash will be fine in 2 years.

They are not on the edge of their careers. Jackson is still in his prime and Wallace is just entering his. 2 years is only long in the mind. And the team will be able to compete, next year. That’s the focus right? Or are we still under the notion that Charlotte will land a big time free agent that will save the franchise as soon as we get cap room? Throwing all of your eggs into the basket to cash in on free agency RARELY results in instant improvement. With Crash, Diop, Jackson, and Diaw on the roster alone, enough cap room for a max player is already out the question. So what are you really waiting on? You don’t even have to tank a season (which many teams do) to grab the number 2 pick. It’s right there.

by Charlotte Bobcat on May 24, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously?

This was the first year that Crash started having injuries that weren’t due to “Crashing”

Hamstring
Ankle

Jackson…could he move any slower?

I agree that trades will make the team better…not just free agents…

we have to diversify…but…will a rookie get any PT?

by andrewlail76 on May 24, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Having Gerald Wallace

on your team is always a risk because of his playing style. He and Dwayne Wade are the same way in how they just attack the basket with reckless abandon. The good thing going for Gerald is he’s still only 27. This was his first year completely healthy, but it was also his first all-star berth. I’m just thinking he can improve. As for Jackson, I’m not really worried about him too much because not much of his game depends on his athletic ability. He’s never really been the type of player to move up and down the court like that, so, I really don’t see how much his game can fall off in a couple years. And, hey, whose to say that we can’t trade them to a team trying to get over the hump at the deadline if we’re not contending? Remember the salary cap nightmare New York had? There are ways to get out of it, if needed. And, I yeah, I think if we drafted a rook that filled an actual hole in our roster, Larry would let him play some. If not, I’m sure MJ would have something to say about it. Especially if the team struggles with him on the bench.

by Charlotte Bobcat on May 24, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Personally, I don't give a crap where a guy went to school.

Damaged or not, Brand averaged 13.1 ppg and 6.1 rpg…. Boris averaged 7.5 and 5.0

It’s a talent upgrade.

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by James Dator on May 23, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see...

Well…would you want Dudley and Richardson back for Bell and Diaw?
Was that chance worth it?

Talent upgrade…how about getting VladRad…want Shannon Brown back?

Seems like we get good guys that tank when the plane touches down in Charlotte.

by andrewlail76 on May 23, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, that chance was worth it

It wasn’t about Jared Dudley and Jason Richardson for Bell and Diaw at this point, the trade has to be looked at as follows.

Was it worth trading:
- Jason Richardson
- Adam Morrison
- Shannon Brown
- Jared Dudley

for
- Boris Diaw
- Stephen Jackson

I think the answer is a resounding YES. What did we do with all those outgoing players? A whole lot of nothing. Stephen Jackson is the reason we made the playoffs.

As for the ‘get good guys who tank in Charlotte’ comment:

- Richardson: Arrived averaging 16 ppg, averaged 20.25 in Charlotte, now averaging 15.7
- Radmanovich: Arrived averaging 5.6 ppg, averaged 6.6 in Charlotte, now averaging 6.6
- Diaw: Arrived averaging 8.8 ppg, averaging 13.2 in Charlotte
- Jackson: Arrived averaging 16.6 ppg, averaging 21.1 in Charlotte
- Nazr: Arrived averaging 3 ppg, averaging 5.3 in Charlotte

Only player who hasn’t panned out is Tyson Chandler… other than that we got great value, made players better then traded them and they became worse.

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by James Dator on May 23, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let me add one final note

If this modus operandi continues we should expect to see a net improvement of 23.3% in statistics (an average of all the above mentioned player’s improvement, and Chandler’s drop off).

This makes Elton Brand a 16 and 7.5 guy

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by James Dator on May 23, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's no reason to think that will happen

All the players you listed, J Rich, Diaw, Nazr, Jax, Rad, all saw their roles increase as the came to Charlotte. Rich in particular went from a Bobcats team that couldn’t buy a damn bucket to playing along side former MVPs and all stars. Yea his numbers dropped for a reason.

Should we expect to see Brand increase his role as well? Jax and Wallace own this team offensively. Where is there room for Brand to score more than about 15 per 36 min? Like I said earlier, Brand would be a bit of a lateral move talent wise.

by and1droid on May 24, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Diaw had 773 attempts in 82 games, 9.4 per game

Brand had 858 attempts in 76 games, 11.2 per game

With a less than two FGA difference between the two it appears that there is such a diminished role for the PF in the Bobcats offense that Brand couldn’t find a home, particularly since he has a post game (which Boris doesn’t have).

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by James Dator on May 24, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't say Gerald owns the team offensively.

He has no problem going stretches with taking few shots. He does whatever is best for the team. Jackson, on the other hand, constantly forces shots but that’s pretty much his role. I’m sure Brand would have no trouble fitting in and maintaining or adding to his scoring from this year.

by Charlotte Bobcat on May 24, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree that Brand can fit in

But he’s not going to add to a 23.3% improvement in production like James is claiming.

You’re right about Wallace. My only point is that Brand isn’t going to come and and be somehow significantly better. He’s going to be a 13-15 point a night guy

by and1droid on May 24, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

23.3% improvement to his production

Thats only a couple of extra points a game. I said 16 and 7.5, you’re saying 13-15… is one point really that far off?

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by James Dator on May 24, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I said that based on the statistical improvement of 23.3% past signees have had...

Brand’s ppg would be 16.15

You said there was ‘no reason to think that would happen’ then claimed you saw Brand as a 13-15 ppg guy.

My question to you was: Is there really that big a difference between my statistical inference of 16.15 ppg and your claim of 13-15?

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by James Dator on May 24, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm actually not too big on Shannon Brown

Yup, we all know he can jump, like, really, really high and dunk, too! Other than that, he’s not much of a basketball player. It says on espn that he’s a point guard, but we all know he’s a 2. Yes, I understand a sg doesn’t have to get a lot of assists but only 1 per game when you have Gasol, Odom, occasionally Kobe, and Bynum to dish to? meh. Ballhandling – suspect would be an appropriate description. As some Lakers fans said on another forum:

I cringe whenever i see him dribble
His handles are shaky at best.

Shooting – Not so hot. He forces some contested jumpers and his 3% is pretty awful. 32.8% this season. Bobcats who shot better 3% than Shannon this season: DJ, Raymond, Crash, LARRY HUGHES, Stephen Jackson. Just missing the cut by .8%: Boris Diaw and STEPHEN GRAHAM. I understand there’s going to be some problems with that set of comparisons, but listen to this: The 5 man unit with the 4th most minutes of the Lakers is Farmar-Brown-Bryant-Odom-Gasol. With Gasol in the paint and Kobe and Lamar Odom stretching defenses, Shannon is going to be open A LOT, which has happened. But he can’t make the open threes.

Frankly, he’s a decent basketball player, at best, who just has insane hops.

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by Ben Swanson on May 23, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Like I said, Shannon is doing a lot of the same stuff in L.A. as he did in Charlotte. I don’t think any loyal Bobcat fans were ever surprised to see Shannon get a lot of glory for his play making ability in L.A. He did the same thing in Charlotte. But all of that was always based around excitement and athleticism, not winning and pure skill. Shannon is shining playing a few minutes with a hall of fame caliber team, but if depended on for long stretches, he’ll look just as lost as he did a Bobcat.

by Charlotte Bobcat on May 24, 2010 6:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

The only thing that changed for Shannon is being on a huge-market team.

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by Ben Swanson on May 24, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

And there Shannon goes proving my point last night

1 of 7 fg and 0 for 4 from downtown for 2 whole points while amazingly racking up an impressive 21 +/ in only 14 minutes of playing time. Yes, I know the plus minus stat is not such a great statistic to use. But, when your team is outscored by 21 points while you’re on the court, and for only 14 minutes to boot, as a player you’re doing something wrong.

In game 3, he wasn’t much better. 2-7 fg, 1-5 3p, 5 points.

Games 1 and 2 of the series were considerably better for Shannon, thanks mostly to shooting a combined two 3 point attempts and 9 total fga, not to mention Kobe and Pau having their way with the Suns.

Once again, Shannon Brown the dunker = cool, Shannon Brown the basketball player = meh

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by Ben Swanson on May 26, 2010 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lol.

Hell no, I wouldn’t take Richardson and Dudley back for Bell and Diaw or Shannon Brown back for Vlad. There are reasons for them excelling after they left Charlotte. Those reasons? Amare, Steve Nash, Alvin Gentry, Kobe Bryant, Pau Gasol and Phil Jackson. Richardson and Dudley are flourishing in the same free flow offense that Bell and Diaw did. Their problem? They couldn’t play defense, and still can’t. Brown is doing the same things in LA as he did in Charlotte. Just on a more national stage so people are starting to take notice. He’s still a very flawed player. They all will probably see big pay days result from their play with their new teams, but trust me, once they are put in a position where they aren’t surrounded by Hall-of-fame caliber players, they’ll look just as bad as they did in Charlotte, just a little better because young players improve over time anyway.

by Charlotte Bobcat on May 24, 2010 6:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

James, your numbers on Boris are off.

He averaged 11.5 and 5, kicking in 4 assists per 36 minutes as well. Brand averaged 15.6 and 7 with fewer assists but more blocks.

Both players shot practically the same % last year. The difference? Boris took more jumpers and way more 3s. Brand has lost a big step. He may be better than Boris (only because Boris is Charlotte’s resident tin man), but bringing in Brand’s salary for his talent is a bit of a risk.

Regardless, the #2 pick does make this kind of trade intriguing. All we lose by bringing in Brand is money. He’s a bit of a lateral move talent wise.

One thing a lot of people aren’t recognizing is that he really doesn’t fit the LB mold for a big. Brown seems to be going for athletic, long big men right now. The most important question we should ask ourselves is “does Larry want Brand?” If not, then that’s 14 mil on the bench every night.

by and1droid on May 24, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

My bad, I realize that

NBA.com defaults to showing playoff averages where I got those numbers.

I question whether Brand has really fallen off as he has, or whether he was simply a horrible fit in Philly.

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by James Dator on May 24, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

And that is the question...

Has Brand really fallen off as he has, or whether he was simply a horrible fit in Philly?

Will he fit better in NC?

by andrewlail76 on May 24, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I honestly think it's a little bit of both.

I don’t think Brand will ever return to the level he was before his injuries, but I don’t think he’s as bad as he looked last year. I mean, even then he averaged 13.1 points, and Philly was a mess the whole year. I think he can still average up to 18 ppg if given consistent pt though. He still has good footwork.

by Charlotte Bobcat on May 24, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Im all for this...

I wrote my elaborate scenario in another thread, but if we got the #2 pick and it was Wall or Turner a ridiculous bidding war would ensue for a team like Sacramento or Minnesota who need a SG and Turner would fit the bill!

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by James Dator on May 23, 2010 10:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh yeah, I've been reading ESPN and they've been talking about how much

the Wolves are in love with Turner. We could get into discussions with them if we pulled the trade off. I think you said Rubio in the other article. You think he would object to playing with us? I don’t know how we would feel about the hispanic population in Charlotte.

by Charlotte Bobcat on May 24, 2010 6:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know if Rubio knows exactly what he wants at this point.

At first it was just about playing in a big market, but then it became more about Minnesota drafting two top 10 PGs.

If Larry Brown stays I think the possibility of him coming to Charlotte is greatly increased, furthermore, it’s an area where MJ’s influence is a major shot in the arm.

That being said, the soonest he can come to the NBA is for the 2011-12 season but to his current contract in the Spanish league. He’d still be 20 though when entering the league.

The Hispanic population would have no bearing on his decision because he’s Spanish, they share linguistic traits only.

I’ve been following Rubio’s game since he was 13 and mark my words he’s going to be a very, very special player when he makes the jump.

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by James Dator on May 24, 2010 7:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rubio has a fairly sweet deal in Europe right now

Charlotte isn’t really incentive for him to leave. If we knew we could trade him to NY or NJ and get some solid pieces back. Maybe Harris?

by and1droid on May 24, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

For him it's about marketing potential

Billboards with him and MJ? an almost guaranteed Nike and Team Jordan deal?

The Euro players want big markets so they can get lots of endorsements… Jordan is the marketing X-factor that make Charlotte more appealing than other small markets.

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by James Dator on May 24, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who wouldn't want to be in Charlotte?

Other than a high school age Kobe…
or
Ricky Rubio

by andrewlail76 on May 24, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

or Vlade Divac

He threatened to retire before he came here.

by and1droid on May 24, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

About Rubio

Would I want Rubio to be a Bobcat? Hell yeah. Will it happen? Doubt it.

Rubio was in a very interesting situation last year. A lot has been said about him not liking the Twolves because of the “small market” but I think in many ways it has more to do with how the Twolves handled their draft, especially when there was great interest in him. Notwithstanding, while I think it is stupid the Twolves drafted Flynn as well, I can’t place too much blame on them. Because of his contractual clause, as well as the limit that NBA teams can pay for purchasing rookies, it was basically impossible for Minnesota to buy out his contract.

FC Barcelona was able to do so, and hence Rubio left DKV Joventut, going on to play a very successful season thus far (ACB is currently in the early play-off stages, although FC Barcelona won the Euroleague a few weeks back).

Rubio has one year left on his contract with FC Barcelona, and again, his buyout clause is way too much for the Twolves to handle. So he will continue to play in the ACB next season, although he will surely come to the NBA the following year, the 2011-2012 season. What will the Timberwolves do with him? They insist they’re still interested in him, but this is a franchise that has been thoroughly confused for years, and my guess is they’re probably going to use him as trade bait, a mistake IMO.

As for Charlotte, I think there could be great appeal for Rubio. It’s not exactly a “big time market,” but Charlotte is well enough known in Europe, more so than Minnesota. The Charlotte Hornets were also very popular in Spain, and even though this is a different franchise, it’s still the same city/area. Now that LB is coach of the Bobcats, as well as being owned by MJ, I think it may be something that will interest Rubio. Remember folks, whatever team will land Rubio will instantly be raking in tons of cash with merchandising in Europe, particularly Spain.

I know there’s a lot of Rubio haters out there, most I think are a result of people’s inherent bias in European (or International, on a more broader sense) basketball players, which I think is a damn shame. I’m not saying Rubio is going to be the super awesome player some say he will be—-take in mind the kid is VERY, VERY young still——BUT, he will no doubt be a good player, a special one if you will.

He has great court vision, and perhaps surprisingly, I think operates on a higher intellectual level (in terms of bball skills and strategies) than most do, if you know what I mean.

I like and am open to the idea of him coming to CLT. I can dream, right?

by Roger, Roger on May 24, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know how much dreaming it would be

If the bobcats got the #2 pick I think it would happen.

The Wolves have been getting low ball offers for Rubio, and Evan Turner is a much bigger prize than what they’ve been offered.

If Johnny Flynn had a bad season, then I’d say chances are slim to none… but he looks like the real deal.

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by James Dator on May 24, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

like ive said before,

i like this deal because of the flexibility we get with the #2 pick.

we can draft high, trade down, sell it, or trade it all together. i mean, of corse Brand’s contract is garbage, but there is no way it’s as garbage as Diops. i mean, talk about inefficient…. jesus….

anyway, getting Brand would be like having Mek all over again—except that this Mek can actually guard bigs like Howard and Shaq.
thats another spot that Brand can contribute to. if he can score 15 a night, grab some rebounds, but play STELLAR defense, we got ourselves a steal.

ANNNNNNDDDD, we get the #2 pick. THE SECOND OVERALL PICK. come onnnn!!!!!! Wall, Turner, Cousins. out of those three, i like Turner the best—Cousins needs time to develop his game, and i do believe that Wall hasnt hit his celing yet, but imagine this:

(given Felton is out)
PG: Turner/DJ
SG: Jackson/Henderson/Turner
SF: Wallace/Diaw/D.Brown
PF: Brand/Diaw/D.Brown/Ajinca
C: Chandler/Brand/Ajinca/Nazr/Diop

thats a very flexible, defensive, and big team. also, getting Brand allows us to make Diaw expandable. now we can play him between the SF and PF—maybe sitting him some nights against big teams, but starting against smaller teams.

i’d say this deal would be a lock-up if it wernt for the money.

--(insert quote, lyric, or joke here)

by StudMuffin15 on May 24, 2010 12:46 AM EDT reply actions  

+1

It also takes away the worry we would have to face in overpaying Tyrus Thomas and Raymond Felton.

by Charlotte Bobcat on May 24, 2010 6:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Evan Turner? At PG?

He’s not suited to the position. He’s a 6"7 SG (think a taller Brandon Roy). I don’t think he’s a fit at PG at all. Furthermore, you can’t have Chandler on the roster, as he would be vital to taking on Elton Brand’s contract.

If I ran the circus I would continue the dealings sending Nazr to Chicago for Hinrich (sans my crazy Rubio scenario) and have:

PG: Hinrich / Augustin
SG: Jackson / Henderson
SF: Wallace / Diaw /Brown
PF: Brand / Thomas
C: Cousins / Diop

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by James Dator on May 24, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that's still a pretty good roster.

We need to do something about Mr. un-Clean Boris Diaw though.

by Charlotte Bobcat on May 24, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I bet D'Antoni would take him back in a heartbeat.

He hasn’t hidden his desire to get back some of his old players.

Getting say, Eddy Curry for a year would get us some cap relief in 2011-12 and New York isn’t needing cap space past this off season. It would help offset Brand’s cost.

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by James Dator on May 24, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Curry...

Another Cap relief body?

Only if they take Diop with him…

by andrewlail76 on May 24, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

They won't take Diop.

But Curry has a monster contract coming off the cap next year and could probably get on the floor in Charlotte.

by Charlotte Bobcat on May 25, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think we could play him at PG

he would throw off some matchups (say Derek Fisher; Jameer Nelson) and provide more solid defense at the position than DJ.

and even Brandon Roy plays PG at some points. i’m not saying he’s our designated starter or future at PG, but he would be an excellent option to have at PG.

im a cynical when it comes to Cousins however. i think he will be good, but i also think that hes a good 2-3 years from it.

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by StudMuffin15 on May 24, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Brand comes then we would have to get rid of Diaw for a good decent center

since we wouldnt have Chandler and no way in hell Larry starts Diop and Ajinca really has no defensive presence. This is if we pick Turner. But then again we would need a PG too. If we pick Cousins. Blake could also be a solution but Larry would not like 2 PG’s that can not really defend in Blake and DJ. I think Watson would be solid as the PG. Can the Bobcats sign and trade Thomas for someone?

by Fonz21 on May 24, 2010 1:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Denver love Tyrus Thomas... but how much do they love him?

Enough to package Ty Lawson and JR Smith for Thomas and Augustin?

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by James Dator on May 24, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't like that deal at all

It all depends on how else the roster shapes out given the massive rosterbation, but Thomas is a piece I want to keep. JR is a piece that wouldn’t really add anything. We have Jax and Hendo (possibly Turner given the current scenario). We should go for another big.

by and1droid on May 24, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like him, I want us to keep him... but does he want to stay?

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by James Dator on May 24, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

ugh JR

Dude brings in results, but he’s way too erratic for my tastes. I’m just not a huge fan of his overall character either.

Lawson to the Bobcats? Heh, me thinks that would definitely bring in some more Tar Heel fans into the fold.

by Roger, Roger on May 24, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

No thinner at PG than if you lost Felton and just kept DJ

Furthermore, we’re predicating all this discussion on the idea of getting Elton Brand from Philly.

So, this lineup with Brand in the fold and a trade to Denver would be:

PG: Lawson / ?
SG: Jackson / JR Smith / Henderson
SF: Wallace / Brown
PF: Brand / Diaw
C: Nazr / Cousins

That question mark is there regardless of who’s #1 if we lost Felton

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by James Dator on May 24, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was my point...

no first option at PG…

Let’s get Hendo a basketball. He is dribble everywhere he goes until Summer League starts…

by andrewlail76 on May 25, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would jump at that trade

but I doubt that denver would go for it. JR would give us that needed scoring punch we lack and a deep threat the bobcats lack and fill out the other PG with watson or blake. We would need a backup PF though, I would think Bass would want out of Orlando since he rarely got PT and the way the Magic’s season ended I think a lot is going to change with that team. But what can the Bobcats offer? Or is there another backup PF that we could get via trade?

by Fonz21 on May 24, 2010 2:34 PM EDT reply actions  

steve blake at PG and Haywood at C

PG: Blake/DJ
SG: Jackson/ Turner / Henderson
SF: Wallace/ Brown
PF: Brand/ Diaw/ Ajinca
C: Haywood/ Diop / Ratliff

I would like to sign David Lee instead of Brand but I dont think NY will let him go.Turner will be one of the best SG in 2nd or 3rd season. How about that…

by mjfan on May 25, 2010 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

David Lee will not be a Knick next year.

They are targeting the best free agents available, and simply don’t have him as a top priority. They want to bring him back, but he is an unrestricted free agent. He may sign back for a sign and trade, but his future in NY is pretty bleak.

by Charlotte Bobcat on May 25, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trade Diaw for David Lee and sign Tyrus Thomas

I’m sure D’Antony still love Diaw and sure NY will like this trade. David Lee can give us low post plays and Tyrus Thomas will be a solid back up.. Lee can also play center if our centers have injuries..

by mjfan on May 26, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd love to have David Lee.

He is the exact type of banger we need. I was upset when we didn’t capitalize on the opportunity to trade Felton for him a few years back. But, from this end, right now, it looks as though LeBron is running the summer. If he takes a long time to make his decision and keeps NY waiting, David Lee may not wait for the sign and trade opportunities that present themselves to the Knicks, and maybe signs a free agent deal elsewhere. The benefit to him waiting for a sign and trade though is that he can make more money as NY will still be able to offer him more money than anybody.

by Charlotte Bobcat on May 26, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

David Lee would be nice...

but like most of our banter…probably just another pipe dream

by andrewlail76 on May 26, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. It's amazing the ideas we can think of that GM's

just don’t pursue at all for any reason. I really think I could win GM of the year if I had the job. I know that’s a lot easier said than done, but I’m for real. Lol.

by Charlotte Bobcat on May 26, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

And I could EASILY win coach of the year...

1 year with LB and I could do what he does…only better…

Now let me tell you my easy solution for the cleanup for the BP disaster and how to close that oil leak…

by andrewlail76 on May 26, 2010 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you...

Now I can focus on coaching. I wonder when LB will want me to come in and “shadow” him

I figure I can learn the playbook in about 1 hour…and that is wih taking breaks to play P-I-G with Dell Curry and MJ

and I should have everything else picked up in 5-7 calendar days

But I refuse to move my family to Philly and keep everyone in the dark as to whether or not I want to move up there with them and take a coaching/GM/VP of Operations job…

by andrewlail76 on May 26, 2010 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

While we're rosterbating and I'm throwing the Wolves name out there...

Word is that Minnesota are entertaining offers for Al Jefferson.

If we do the above proposed deal and trade the #2 overall for Jefferson, then we have a true 17 and 10 guy at center, with Brand and Tyrus at the PF position.

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by James Dator on May 25, 2010 5:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I still think the Wolves are leaning on getting rid of Love more than Jefferson,

but I would LOVE to have Big Al here. He’s the real kind of PF we need. Him, or Boozer, or Gasol, or somebody like that. Diaw gets on my damn nerves.

by Charlotte Bobcat on May 25, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I haven't hearf Love's name in any rumors.

They seem to really like him at PF… Jefferson is the one all the rumors are surrounding. Maybe they want to cut some cap space?

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by James Dator on May 25, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

If...

If were able to have a frontcourt like that, man we’d be unstoppable down low! Now all we would need to do is find a way to trade Boris’s sorry ass, then we’d be okay! maybe we could trade Diaw for a point guard or a 2nd round draft pick.

by jah p on May 25, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Way ahead of you...

Diaw to Chicago for Hinrich

PG: Hinrich / Augustin
SG: Jackson / Henderson
SF: Wallace / Brown
PF: Brand / Thomas
C: Jefferson / Diop / Ajinca

That’s a lineup that would not only make the playoffs, but cause a lot of damage in the East. A total pipedream, but still.

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by James Dator on May 25, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

we will be paying luxury tax with this line up

great line up but it will be more than $70M. This will not be possible..

by mjfan on May 26, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

True

It would require dealing Nazr or Diop.

The thing about the whole ‘dont spend over the luxury’ thing… wasn’t that a Bob Johnson thing?

I know it’s unlikely MJs ownership group would put themselves in the top 16 payrolls, but you never know.

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by James Dator on May 26, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

MJ doesn't want it unless we are championship caliber after going over...

and Nazr will go before Diop ever will.

If I was Diop, and I was in his shoes…I would go to the front office, apologize for the crappy contract I was in, and try to come to some sort of buyout agreement.

I would know I was a cancer on the team’s roster and I personally would not be able to sleep at night knowing I was such a clog on the advancement of the team…

by andrewlail76 on May 26, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

ZING!

Difference there is that to my very small knowledge…Diop doesn’t owe millions of dollars to anyone…

by andrewlail76 on May 26, 2010 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I understand what you're saying...

but nobody asked Desagana Diop to get paid what he’s making. The league set his value and we traded for it, we’ve made our bed now we’re laying in it.

He was averaging 1.6 ppg before we traded for him… I know we were desperate, but jeeez… really? His CAREER high was 3.0 ppg and 5.2 rpg in 17.2 mins.

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by James Dator on May 26, 2010 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

flabbergasting, really

I’ll never understand who in their right mind even thought that that trade would be a remotely good idea

by Roger, Roger on May 26, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Better still...

Why would a signing like that EVER happen?

by andrewlail76 on May 26, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

A desperate coach who craved veteran help over common sense who convinced the front office that he was failing due to a lack of big men.

Couple that with a head of basketball operations intent to redeeming his reputation and a GM afraid to stand up to said head of basketball operations and you have this situation willing to happen.

I don’t want to make it sting any more, but it has to be mentioned:

Per 36 stats (2009-10)

Ryan Hollins:13 points, 6 rpg, 0.558 shooting
DeSagana Diop: 4.4 points, 8.9 rpg, 0.517 shooting

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by James Dator on May 26, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was referring to Diop's contract...

We didn’t make the horrible contract…who did and why?

We were just the fools that took it from the Mad Scientist that made it

by andrewlail76 on May 27, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dallas did the deed on that one.

Pretty much the same reason Marcin Gortat’s on a $33 million deal right now, desperation and a lack of big men in free agency made Dallas grossly overvalue Diop.

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by James Dator on May 27, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

well Gortat is probably worth that contract

but the Diop literally wants to make me throw up every time I see it

by Fonz21 on May 27, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

correction

but the Diop contract I mean.

by Fonz21 on May 27, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you are right for both...

Him as a player and his contract make me throw up a little…

by andrewlail76 on May 27, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

You really think Gortat is worth that money?

He’s making almost equal to what Diop is making, and for what?

3.6 ppg, 4.2 rpg in 13.4 mins

He’s making twice as much money as:
- Chris ‘Birdman’ Anderson
- Luis Scola

And he only made $600k less than Charlie Villaneuva

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by James Dator on May 28, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, the thing with Gortat, as a lot of NBA analyst say, is that

the only reason he’s not playing a ton of minutes is because he’s behind Dwight Howard. It’s really hard to gauge a man’s value until they get into the starting line-up and show how consistent they can really be, but at times during the series against the Bobcats, I actually thought the Magic worked better as a unit with Gortat on the floor. He’s very active, and sets a lot more pick and rolls for his teammates than Howard does. Their offense runs a lot more smoother when he’s on the floor. IMO.

by Charlotte Bobcat on May 28, 2010 7:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

When Gortat enters the game

the announcers always say he could start for any other NBA team. Just like Nazr, Tyson, & Theo started for us. He is OK, but the announcers overrate him. He definitely is paid too much.

by Ft.Mill Bobcat on May 28, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd do that...

 
 I do think the #2 pick is too much to just give to Minnesota, they’d have to give us Jefferson and Flynn also to sweeten the deal or another draft pick this year!

by jah p on May 25, 2010 6:37 PM EDT reply actions  

We wish

They just took Flynn with the 4th overall last year and he was great. No way they trade an allstar and their starting PG for a #2 pick

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by James Dator on May 25, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brand and the #2 for Chandler is an easy decision,

But why would the 76ers even consider that deal? Chandler would have little value to a team that already has an expiring Dalembert and Speights at center. Philly would just become a highly paid but still terrible team with no hope for the next season. With the #2 pick, they have a future star to build around and at least a chance at the playoffs going into next season.

I’d have to think Philly wants a talented, young (cheap) player back in any trade for the #2 pick and Brand. They may need to cut salary, but they also need something to show their fans that they’re not just tanking next season, too. For the record, I’ll be shocked if the 76ers trade the #2 pick, but if they do, I expect them to trade with one of the teams who has cap space and can absorb Brand’s contract without sending a lot of salary back in return.

by ClipCat on May 26, 2010 12:05 PM EDT reply actions  

What if we take Dalembert, Brand and the #2

for Chandler, Diaw and Sign & Trade Felton…
math probably doesn’t work out though…

by andrewlail76 on May 26, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

A couple other scenarios

New Jersey is the team I could see dealing for Brand – Brand and the #2 for Yi, Kris Humphries and the #3 – New Jersey puts a pretty solid team together with Harris, Turner, Brand and Lopez, a very nice destination for LeBron or Wade.

How about this three way deal for Brand? I believe it would work if the Clippers first renounced some of their free agents.
Charlotte gets Brand (and actually saves a little money next season)
Philly gets Augustine and #8 pick (from Clippers)
LA Clippers get #2 pick, Diaw and Diop

by ClipCat on May 26, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

What do we do at the PG position?

With Felton likely gone and Augustin being traded to Philly we have no PG.

Also, in your scenario the Clippers are moving up 6 spots, and getting Diaw for nothing more than taking on Diop’s contract.

Here’s what I would do to modify your trade slightly:

Charlotte get: Elton Brand from Philly, Devin Harris from NJ
Philly get: Boris Diaw from Charlotte, #3 overall pick from New Jersey
New Jersey get: DJ Augustin from Charlotte, Tyson Chandler from Charlotte, #2 overall pick from Philly

- Philly rid themselves of Brand’s contract without relinquishing a high pick and have a cheaper big man with a shorter deal

- Charlotte get Brand and a starting PG. And clear two large contracts in Diaw and Chandler

- New Jersey get a cheaper PG, either John Wall or Evan Turner and the billionaire Russian can buy out Chandler and make a serious run at Carmelo Anthony to bring him to Brookyln and back to the state of NY

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by James Dator on May 26, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

What's the incentive for NJ and Philly to include Charlotte?

In my trade scenario, the next move for the Bobcats would be to sign Ray Felton to play PG (and let Thomas go). This would be more realistic since Charlotte would open a little more space under the luxury tax in the deal. And from the Clippers perspective, I saw them as willing to absorb the contracts of Diaw and Diop in order to move up to #2. They would be giving up the cap space to make the deal happen and would forgo a shot at one of the major free agents this season. For the Clips (and most other NBA teams), Diaw would be an expensive 6th man, useful but not worth his contract.

Your deal would be much better for the Bobcats, but it wouldn’t seem to offer much benefit to NJ and Philly compared to the 2 team deal I suggested. Philly would probably draft Favors as their starting PF at #3 and would likely prefer the expiring contracts of Yi and Humphries rather than Diaw. For NJ, both deals cost them substantial cap space. However, Brand and the #2 pick gives them two starters for next season in exchange for that cap space, while the Charlotte deal substantially weakens them at PG without providing a PF. To be sure, Chandler and Augustine would come off the books sooner than Brand, but at least for this year, the Nets would remain shorthanded.

by ClipCat on May 26, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

The motivation for NJ is cutting enough money to offer a max contract, or two in 2011-12

Philly wants to shed space… they’re the team who wants to deal so getting Yi and Humphries expiring gives them too much given they’re the one’s wanting a deal.

New Jersey doesn’t want to absorb that much money. It would cost $50 million to buyout Brand compared to $13 million to buyout Chandler, and you’re asking them to lose two expiring contracts?

Granted, they’re somewhat weaker at PG but that’s also assuming that Washington are 100% going to draft John Wall, which seems to be up in the air right now. If the Wizards buy out Arenas why wouldn’t the Nets offer him a deal?

You shorthand godawful… could they really get that much worse? Devin Harris didn’t exactly help them win.

Jersey wants a youth movement, Brand doesn’t give them that.
Philly wants a youth movement, they can buyout Boris for cheap.

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by James Dator on May 26, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

But if NJ’s primary motivation is 2011-12 cap space, then I don’t think they do any deal at all seeing as they already have that cap space now. They (and any other team) would only trade for Brand if they think he can contribute on the court so no buyout with that much money left on his contract. I don’t see the point of buying out Chandler either since that still counts against the cap, and he’s got no reason to leave money on the table. That would be a very steep price just for moving up one spot in the draft and DJ.

If Wall slipped to NJ’s pick, then Devin would become a valuable trade chip with such a weak group of PG’s available in free agency. He ought to return a solid starter. NJ needs to show prospective free agents that they have at least the start of a decent core. And if NJ just wanted him gone for 2011, I doubt they’d have any trouble giving him away for nothing to a team under the cap that misses out on signing one of the top free agents.

I agree Philly wants a youth movement, and that’s why I wrote in my original post that I’d be shocked to see them trade their pick. But if they did move it to get rid of Brand’s contract, then Yi and Humphries are both expiring contracts who together earn less than Diaw. So while Philly may not really want Yi and Humphries, they would want Diaw even less. Why would Diaw be cheap to buy out with 3 years left on his contract at $9 M per year? I really can’t see him getting more than the MLE on the open market, and even that’s a risk.

by ClipCat on May 26, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

NJ have the space for one max level contract, but trading Harris and buying out Chandler gives them the ability for two

Say… Tony Parker and Carmelo Anthony.

Being able to bring in two all-stars will be a greater boon than being able to hang their hat on the stability of the worst team in the NBA.

DJ Augustin isn’t chopped liver in this whole deal. Granted, he’s not Devin Harris but he could definitely fit the bill for a season if needed.

The ‘Diaw for cheap’ comment is relative to what it would cost for them to buyout/ pay Elton Brand.

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by James Dator on May 27, 2010 7:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

After rereading your previous post, I misunderstood what you wrote about Philly. While Diaw is definitely cheaper than Brand, I’m skeptical that Philly really is desperate to deal Brand. I’ve read a couple rumors to that effect including the RealGM link at the top, which in my mind is about as reliable as the trade ideas we come up with. I’m sure Philly regrets signing Brand, but there’s a decent chance that he rebounds next season under a new coach. Philly will make a deal to avoid paying the luxury tax, but they don’t have to move any of their big contracts to achieve that.

I may be valuing the #2 pick higher than you. I see it as a franchise changing stroke of luck for Philly in a draft where the talent drops off quickly after the #2 pick. Philly may be inviting teams to bid on the pick, but I really don’t see them pulling the trigger on a trade unless they are getting a very good deal.

by ClipCat on May 27, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see what you're saying

Everything I’m saying is predicated on the notion that the 76ers really are entertaining the idea of trading the #2 overall pick just to get Brand off the books.

Maybe they have severe financial problems? Maybe they want to get rid of him like Okafor before getting a new owner? I really don’t know, but if they really are that desperate at least they’re getting the #3 pick instead of losing it outright.

It seems insane to me that Philly would abandon a franchise changing player because of money, but crazier things have happened; look at the Pau Gasol trade.

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by James Dator on May 27, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

I agree with that. I don’t think they are as willing to move Brand as reports have suggested. I know we’ve come to a point where salary cap space is important for a team’s chance to rebuild through free agency, and as a way to possibly help with a franchise losing money, but selling the number 2 pick for it? I think it’s dumb on Philly’s behalf to even consider that. I seen an article the other day talking about how happy Brand was they he now gets to play for Doug Collins. Maybe Collins shares that sentiment and wants to see what he can do with what he has now before making any moves. That’s what I’d do. Philly doesn’t have that bad of a team. Their biggest error was letting Andre Miller go. He provided a veteran presence and stability to the team, nothing that Williams, Holliday, or anyone else on their roster at the PG position is ready to provide. Combine that with the fact Williams got hurt, and the whole Allen Iverson thing never worked out, and this team was destined to lose. However, a number 2 pick and an upgrade at PG is enough to get this team in the playoffs. I say, they probably sign Felton or Steve Blake, draft Turner, and you’re looking at a line-up of Steve Blake, Evan Turner, Andre Igoudala, Elton Brand, and Samuel Dalembert with Williams coming off the bench ready to go for 15. I think that line-up can beat the Bulls from this year, who made the playoffs with pretty much nothing imo.

by Charlotte Bobcat on May 28, 2010 7:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

as i continue to think about this trade

there are really 3 people we should take a good look at with the #2 IF WE GOT IT.

1) DeMarcus Cousins
2) Evan Turner
3) Greg Monroe

out of those three, i do believe that Turner will have the best career of all of them, but i threw in Monroe because i think that Cousins is too far away from being the talent he can be—i’d be that by the end of his rookie contract, he’d have it figured out.
but that could be awhile.

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