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Charlotte Bobcats make the playoffs, achieve their highest goal for the season

We've known for a long time that the Charlotte Bobcats were a playoff-caliber team. We weren't sure the Cats would actually make the playoffs, but virtually every personnel move the franchise has made since hiring Larry Brown as coach has been aimed at making the playoffs sooner rather than later, and with little regard for longer term planning.

Here's the thing. All of those moves were successful in the sense that they ultimately achieved the intended goal.

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The only major move that went against the grain was trading Emeka Okafor for Tyson Chandler, and that's worked out about as badly as the crowd expected, in sum. They've been roughly as productive as each other when they played, but Chandler's only played 47 games and Okafor is on track for his third straight 82-game season. More and more, in retrospect, that looks like an aberration, and its effect was dulled by a shockingly effective half-season from Nazr Mohammed.

Based on previously-established talent, we were watching a 36-38 win team. But then Gerald Wallace decided to kick it up a notch and become an All Star. And Raymond Felton decided to stop shooting (he'll have his fewest shot attempts this season since his rookie season) and bring his PER up to league average. And Stephen Jackson was an upgrade on Raja Bell. And Nazr Mohammed decided to play his best ball since... well... ever. And adding Tyrus Thomas and Theo Ratliff mean the Cats have, potentially, the best defensive front court rotation in the NBA playoffs. And that leaves the Cats with a 4-7 win upgrade for the season.

We'll worry about 2011, and 2012, and everything after some other time, because nothing's changed on that front. The Bobcats have made the playoffs. It's gravy time. Give 'em hell, guys.

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I totally disagree with your assessment.
We’ll worry about 2011, and 2012, and everything after some other time, because nothing’s changed on that front. The Bobcats have made the playoffs. It’s gravy time. Give ’em hell, guys.

Look at the roster – how it’s constructed, who is inked for multiple additional seasons, for how long and at what cost – the Bobcats are sitting in a spot to be perennial contenders for at least the next three to five years. They have a solid core of Wallace, Jackson, and Diaw inked for several more years. A plethora of big-men with expiring contracts next season. Three promising young players (that essentially will be like rookies (except much better) again next year in lieu of the draft picks that have been traded): D Brown, Henderson, & Ajinca. DJ will be a Bobcat next year and he is just starting to come back around. Signing Raymond & Tyrus are the two biggest things for the Bobcats this off-season.

So you can do your best Procto impersonation, and insinuate that this season’s playoff run has come at the cost of future successes if you want to. But i assure you, that you will be proven to be absolutely wrong as time passes (not unlike before this season when the old ROF gang continued their stupid Felton bashing …remember how that
turned out?).

Also, after last night’s game It is time to admit that the Chandler/Okafor trade was a monumental SUCCESS for the Bobcats. Chandler is just getting back into healthy order and dominated Okafor last night. I always liked Emeka, but after last night’s game i am reminded of why LB was so eager to deal his over-priced, unpassionate game.

Go Bobcats!

by dudemanhey on Apr 8, 2010 10:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Agree with you dude. We are now playoff contenders. Signing Ray and Tyrus should be our number one objective. I love the little sly remarks about Ray. He has been a much improved player this year. He is having a career best in 2 point fg percentage and 3 point fg percentage, career best in steals, and blocked shots. He is a lockdown on the ball defender. So the remarks about him having stopped shooting is a good joke. He has better shot selection. I am with you dude, Go Bobcats!

by etothet on Apr 8, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

David never liked Felton anyway

But it’s times like these when you throw in a DJ Augustin joke and tell Dave how much of a complete PG Augustin is compared to Felton.

It’s hard to see Augustin sticking around if we keep sign Felton for a long term. Obviously, DJ will never start ahead of Felton and I’m sure he doesn’t want to come off the bench all his life. Next season could be the best time to deal him to some team.

by Shockers on Apr 8, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I tried to get a "most creative excuse for D.J.'s shit season" contest going

but not many people really played along.

I still think it’s crazy that the same people who spend so much energy bashing Felton spend an equal amount of time trying to convince themselves that D.J. is a superior player regardless of his performance this season.

by and1droid on Apr 8, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

It probably would have won but sadly I have no prizes to offer

I also liked my excuse that D.J. met Kazaam when he was 12 and wished to make it to the NBA. The only problem is that he forgot to wish to be good.

by and1droid on Apr 9, 2010 7:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Signing Felton and Thomas

Isn’t a realistic possibility without dumping at least one major contract (Diaw, Jackson, or Wallace) in trade for nothing. The Bobcats are in a terrible cap situation in which they can’t even sign just Felton without paying the luxury tax, and Jordan has said they won’t go there. So celebrate this season’s playoff appearance, but don’t knock DA’s words just because he isn’t wearing rose colored glasses.

by ClipCat on Apr 9, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Felton can be signed with the Bird exception.

It’ll be a bit tricky, but doable. Tyrus Thomas will be a lot tougher. He’s the most likely cap casualty on the roster. I do think there’s a fair chance there will be teams willing to trade for Tyson Chandler because despite the size of his paycheck, his expiring contract will have more than a couple of owners drooling. That’s the key to opening up a little room to go shopping, in my opinion.

by Ourdaywillcome on Apr 9, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, Felton can be signed with the Bird Exception, and the Bobcats have the right to make Thomas a Restricted Free Agent and pay him as much as they want, too. But as I previously explained, the Bird exception and Restricted Free Agency don’t exempt the Bobcats from paying the luxury tax. Depending on how much Felton gets paid, the Bobcats could very well need to dump another contract, and there’s no way both Felton and Thomas will be signed without another team under the cap taking on the contract of one of our higher paid players (likely Diaw) in a trade for pretty much nothing.

by ClipCat on Apr 9, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Bobcats will dump Nazr & Tyson either before the season

or before the trade deadline. This should take care of the luxury tax.

by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Apr 9, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

As long as the salary is dumped before the end of the season. The luxury tax wouldn’t have to be paid.

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by maverick24 on Apr 9, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would require a team or teams with cap space to take their contracts off our hands without dumping their own problem contract on us. IMO that’s wishful thinking. Just can’t see any team taking either of them unless they are getting rid of a player they no longer want as part of the deal.

by ClipCat on Apr 9, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

So ditch Diaw for two Rotation players and start Tyrus.

As much as I love Diaw you have to break eggs to make an omelet.

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by maverick24 on Apr 9, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

That could be a good strategy, but it wouldn’t be easy to pull off. The Bobcats will have to wait and see which teams aren’t able to use their cap space on stars and then hope one of them wants to take on Diaw’s contract. In the mean time, Thomas will need to be patient with Charlotte, who probably will not extend him the Qualifying Offer during free agency. It could happen, but everything will have to unfold just right.

by ClipCat on Apr 9, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

Diaw is the only expendable Big contract we have due to the fact that no one will take Naz or Gana’s contract. Diaw is a good fit for a team that needs a utility player to put them over next year. Sort of what Antawn Jamison was to the Cavs. Keep in mind I’m not saying BoDiaw is Jamison incarnate, I’m just saying that would be the best scenario IMO for adding him to a team.

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by maverick24 on Apr 9, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good analysis. Not sure the Bobcats under Larry Brown will value Thomas above Diaw, but if they do, I agree this could be Charlotte’s best shot at keeping both Felton and Thomas without paying luxury tax. And if they pull it off, credit will be due to the front office.

by ClipCat on Apr 9, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

This scenario..

Is good barring the fact that we get a solid enough rotation player with an expiring deal. Or two. Someone to replace Diaw as a backup to Tyrus (and I wouldn’t expect anything more) and maybe another rotation player at a position we’re hurting at. Sadly we won’t know what position that is until the offseason.

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by maverick24 on Apr 9, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

The reason I hate talking about the next season

while we are getting ready for the playoffs is we have to start talking about the realities of letting some of the 2010 heroes go. It’s bad timing to do that. The reality is that JAX was a one year rental for us. I hate to lose him, but he is the cog that makes the next season cap work.

by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Apr 9, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not so sure.

I think that Diaw gets traded before Jack. The front office would have to be dumbasses to get rid of Jack after the year he has shown us. Unless we can get an upgrade for him (doubtful with his contract), I believe Jack stays.

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by maverick24 on Apr 10, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well look who it is...

did you bring your buddy Procto with you too?

by dudemanhey on Apr 9, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

So nobody thinks that Chandler's 13 million dollar expiring will attract attention?

This won’t be the only year teams will be looking to dump big salaries for cap space in the Free Agency.
Trading him away won’t solve all our problems, but we should be able to improve our situation regardless of what he take on in return.

by Ourdaywillcome on Apr 9, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you to an extent.

Chandler’s contract will have a lot of people wanting to make moves but trading him away will further hinder our cap flexibility. At least that’s what I think.

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by maverick24 on Apr 10, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chandler's going to pay off big time in the playoffs!!!

He was nasty against the Hornets… he also made key plays the last couple of games that kept us in the game.

by Shockers on Apr 8, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you Dudmanhey somebody needed to say it. The fact that this team the way it has been constructed has had so much success realy upsets some people. (you know who you are) This team for the first time is taken seriously. I have heard many anaylst pick us as a Darkhorse in the Playoffs. The fact is we have not had that credibility before Larry asembled this team. Have you been to a game at the Cable Box latley the crowd and energy is something we never dreamed of a year ago. Give credit when credit is do Larry and Jordan are doing a great job. I know criticism is easily thrown so how about throwing out some praise even though it isnt the way You would have built the team.

by Bcat2.0 on Apr 8, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I kinda sorta almost somewhat agree with you to a point.

Yeah, David and a few others have some prejudices player-wise. So do I. So do we all. For example:
When Felton started displaying his remarkable improvement I cautioned that it will take more than a handfull of decent games to prove the performances weren’t an aberration. It turned out that Ray was the real deal. Davids’ acceptance of that fact has been slow and grudging.

But there is no way that I agree that it’s time to call the Chandler trade a “monumental success for the Bobcats.” I’ve always said it made financial sense. But the same rule applier to Tyson Chandler that applied to Felton – a few good games does not mean a thing. Every person at this site knows I’ve been mocking old “balsa wood ankles” all season. I’ve also been cheering loudly at his performance since his return. Maybe we’ll be lucky and this DOES represent the new and improved Tyson. But he’s always been injury prone. He may be bringing a double-double skillset each night now, but if he gets hurt again that won’t matter squat. All we’ll be able to do is look behind the bench and say, “look at that wasted talent. He was doing so good too.” I expect this is a temporary manifestation of talent and his game will soon fall back to earth. Like I said, we all have our player prejudices and Chandler is definitely mine.

I do believe that this is just the beginning for the Bobcats – especially if we can get Felton to ink a contract with the Bird exception.
We have expendable bigs available for trade bait and we should have no problem picking up a decent backup for Felton if Augustin feels he can do better than play second-fiddle. What he has shown the NBA thus far is great potential and even greater inconsistency. He’s showing indications that he’s breaking out of his extensive sophomore slump, but he’s “blooming” at the same time this season that he did last. If he comes back next fall and starts off slowly I say we cut bait and get whatever we can for him.
And I’m the guy that named DJ the potential team MVP in one of my very first posts at ROF.

I’ll be watching very closely to see which Cats opt in to play summer ball. If Mr. Augustin wants to prove himself, he would be wise to take advantage of the opportunity. Derrick Brown and Gerald Henderson may well have their entire professional careers riding on the Summer League. All three have something to prove to Larry Brown and it’s something he didn’t see during the regular season. Some months ago Michael Procton educated me on how difficult it is to play at the one if you’re a shooting guard. If I were Henderson, I’d be looking at the landscape though. Summer ball is the perfect place for him to see if he can make that transition. With Augustin in LB’s doghouse, Gerald could get himself some solid minutes behind Felton. Certainly more than he’ll get behind the other shooting guards on the squad. It will also increase his value in the markeplace if he can become a competent backcourt swingman.

by Ourdaywillcome on Apr 8, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

The thing about the Chandler trade...

It was a risk going in. We all knew that he probably wouldn’t be healthy the whole season. We also knew that when he is healthy, he’s just as good as Meka and his contract is much better. The Bobcats got about what the could have hoped for from Chandler this season. Some call it a failure because Tyson didn’t play nearly as many games as Okafor. Some call it a success because Tyson really makes the team better when he’s healthy. I call it a draw because we lost some productivity but gained some much needed cap flexibility.

Even steven. No reason to cry. No reason to gloat.

If Chandler’s healthy going into the playoffs though then we should be in great shape in terms of front court depth.

by and1droid on Apr 8, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

What?

No, we didn’t know that Chandler is just as good as Meka when both are healthy. With Okafor, this team could have been the 5th seed with a real chance to advance past the 1st round. Okafor is and has been by far the better overall player as demonstrated by both players’ past production. And Okafor is by far the more durable player as this season has once again shown.

The only “advantage” to the deal for Charlotte is cap flexibility. But even if the Bobcats let both Chandler’s and Nazr’s contracts expire, they won’t have any significant cap space to work with unless they also let Felton and Thomas walk this season. And that leaves a team with no frontcourt and only DJ at the point.

by ClipCat on Apr 9, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Okafor trade was nothing more than buyers remorse.

Johnson signed that monster contract and then balked.
Next season the financial benefits of carrying Tyson Chandler kick in.

Could we please at least enjoy the playoff seeding before starting up the gloom and doom predictions again?
The hundreds of “sky is falling” predictions that cluttered up every Charlotte Bobcats blog last pre-season were all wrong. Why start regurgitating the same negativity now? We have at least four months to moan and gnash our teeth AFTER the playoffs. Right now it’s time to feel good for a few weeks.

by Ourdaywillcome on Apr 9, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t make any predictions in that post. I just pointed out the obvious – the Chandler for Okafor deal was a terrible decision, hurt the Bobcats this season and doesn’t open up enough cap space to sign a free agent even after Chandler’s contract expires. I do agree with you that the deal was a case of buyer’s remorse.

by ClipCat on Apr 9, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

bullshit

go pull for the Clippers

by dudemanhey on Apr 9, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

How could I argue with that intelligent response! I first liked the Bobcats because they share many traits with the Clippers. The Clippers have also had successful runs accompanied by unrealistic expectations, and soon enough both fan bases will have had their hearts broken by Larry Brown.

by ClipCat on Apr 9, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly it DIDNT hurt the Cats at all.

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by maverick24 on Apr 9, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure but his system has worked ....AGAIN.

I mean the dude is a playoff genius. Say what you want about future cap flexibility, LB builds winners, sure the aftermath isn’t pretty but this organization is so bad off right now that we NEEDED these playoffs more than waiting a few years at the cost of possibly losing ANOTHER franchise to say….Seattle?

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by maverick24 on Apr 10, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

"that leaves a team with no frontcourt and only DJ at the point."

Nope, no predictions or speculations there.

And if we trade everyone but Henderson and Brown away for some towels, cash, and some used Keds and Fruit of the Loom britches we’ll only have 2 players and a pissed off owner. And LB STILL won’t start them!

If portents of doom hold you in their sway
Feel free to enjoy your dismay.
But the Bobcats blew all their critics away
I’ll just smile and enjoy their postseason play.

by Ourdaywillcome on Apr 9, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Clip Cat

I’m not going to go through all the stats (key word being “all”), but there’s a pretty even comparison between the two players. Okafor has been a consistently better scorer, but that’s offset but some of his short comings. I know you won’t agree, but they’re arguably similar players in terms of helping their team win. durability is the issue, and the only issue.

You can’t really say that we’d be a 5th seed with Okafor. I’m not convinced we’d be any better having him around. One thing for certain is that we weren’t worse.

by and1droid on Apr 9, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Clipcat - I posted this on a more recent page with more detail, but I think it is needed more here.

If LB had not made the Okafor/Chandler trade, the Bobcats would not have traded for JAX. BJ, MJ, & MJ would not have taken on JAX’es long multi-year contract if Okafor was still on the roster. Therefore, if we had kept Okafor we would not have the 5th seed with a better chance to advance past the second round. The center by committee and playing small ball in the 4th worked well all year long and we were able to take on the big JAX contract.

by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Apr 9, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is complete conjecture. I have never seen any quotes or stories even from anonymous sources linking the two deals. How do you know the Bobcats wouldn’t have taken on Jackson’s contract without trading off Okafor? The Bobcats probably could have traded Okafor for Jackson had they waited.

by ClipCat on Apr 9, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

And your theory that we would have the 5th seed with a real chance to advance is not complete conjecture?

Okafor for JAX sounds like a realistic possibility until you look at how the season would unfolded up to the JAX trade.

If we had kept Okafor, I suspect after 12 games of the season he would have been starting and playing most of the center minutes and we may have had 4 or 5 wins instead of 3. LB would not have know that Nazr was a viable option at center since he would still be deep on the bench. Ajinca was not an option at that point and Diop was out of shape at the beginning of the season. Therefore I don’t think LB would have traded our only real option at center for a guard with a checkered past.

by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Apr 10, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

What made the Okafor/Chandler trade a success.

Not just on court production, but the fact that the Cats were able to rid themselves of one of the worst contracts in the NBA is monumental success in itself. Next year when Chandler has an expiring the fruits will be ripened even more!

by dudemanhey on Apr 8, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

FWIW, I’m not the only one who happens to think the Bobcats completely sold out their future to get the 7 seed. SI ee the most recent ESPN Future Power Rankings put the Cats dead last.

I won’t fully rehash my position on this, which I assume you’ve read, but no one denies that the Bobcats are in position to contend for the 6, 7, 8 seeds while Wallace plays as well as he has this year and Jackson doesn’t fall off. However, the argument is that they’ve given up their 2010 first round pick (Ajinca), and their 2012 first-round pick (lottery-protected,Tyrus), and they’ve locked in their roster such that projecting anything beyond 6, 7, 8 before another rebuild is wishful thinking not grounding in reason. If you want to map out the game plan for continuous contention, I absolutely welcome it.

by David A. Arnott on Apr 8, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

<blockquoteand they’ve locked in their roster such that projecting anything beyond 6, 7, 8 before another rebuild is wishful thinking not grounding in reason. If you want to map out the game plan for continuous contention, I absolutely welcome it.>

They’re only a couple games from 5th, they haven’t played a full season together, the Celtics are getting older hourly, and Joe Johnson may well be leaving the Hawks. That could easily put the Bobcats in position to host a series next year, but hey you hate this organization anyway so why not just make things up. I came back to your site hoping that with the team’s success you would have changed your tune, but sadly you find more joy in being critical than you do in being accurate.

by ASDCatfish on Apr 8, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

ESPN are idiots.

What is it going to take for you and them to realize that this team will only get better? They’ve been put together on the fly and haven’t had the luxury of playing through a full training camp together. Their position is just as good as Atlanta’s (who may lose Joe Johnson), Cleveland (who may lose LeBron), and Boston (who are getting older and older). Orlando is really the only team built to last, and even they aren’t really that dominant. Meanwhile, Charlotte has no cap room, but has locked up a very young roster. They aren’t going to get old in the next 1 or 2 years like the Celtics did this year.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 8, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

LeBron isn't going anywhere

As far as ESPN goes, I wouldn’t call them idiots. Their analysis is pretty good. The problem with these evaluations (and they state this) is that you have no idea what will really happen. No way last year they could have predicted us having a roster like we do. That being said, Orlando isn’t going anywhere but up as stated. I don’t see any way for Boston to stay afloat. Cavs aren’t going anywhere. Don’t sleep on the Bucks or the Nets (yeah, I said it… John Wall or Evan Turner + Brook Lopez + Courtney Lee + Terrence Williams + Devin Harris + a bagillion dollars = potential).

I don’t see the Bobcats going higher than a 4 seed in the next 3 years, but we’ll see.

by drapht00 on Apr 8, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, ESPN are idiots.

They write some of the dumbest crap that you could ever imagine. Part of their basis for having the Bobcats so low was also based on management and team finances.They talked about how the team was losing money without taking into account the common sense added interest in the team with a playoff push. The arena is always rocking now, and merchandise sales are climbing. Regardless of what happens in the playoffs, the Bobcats will be on a national stage for the first time ever. Hollinger didn’t take that into a account when he wrote his POS article. He’s going to have to re-evaluate again. 30th team in the league? Really? When the Timberwolves, Warriors, and Nets are out here running around? Smh.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 8, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Care to back any of that up with facts or substance?

You say the Bobcats are a young team – based on what? The only young players on the Bobcats are guys who rarely play. The youngest starter is Felton, and he may or may not be back next year.

I’m no fan of Hollinger, but his rankings were based on the future prospects of each team. The TWolves, Warriors and Nets all have young up and coming players, high draft picks this year, and cap space (Nets and TWolves will be under the salary cap this season, while GS can be next year after VladRad’s contract comes off their books). The Bobcats rated low because they traded away two of their next three 1st round picks and probably won’t be under the salary cap until at least 2012. And they don’t have any highly regarded prospects (at least in the eyes of non-Bobcats fans). I challenge anyone to name one NBA team who has done more to mortgage their future than the Bobcats.

by ClipCat on Apr 9, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

drapht00

The fact that you can reasonably mention the Bobcats as a possible 4 seed and not get laughed off the internets is reason enough for me to be happy with the team as is.

by and1droid on Apr 8, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the issue for me is...

That we could either play for the 5,6,7,8 seed for the next few years, which is somehow not good enough, or we could continue to hope to get lucky in the draft.

I’d rather watch games that matter than spend the next few years hoping for the next LBJ. Those who disagree will disagree, but I’m going to enjoy the success while it lasts.

by and1droid on Apr 8, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

When I first discovered this place everyone was complaining that the Cats couldn’t make the playoffs this season and wouldn’t for at least 3 more to boot.

Now we’re in and the roster looks able to keep us going back for the next several seasons and people are complaining that it isn’t good enough.

I’d like to see a championship as much as the next fan. It isn’t likely to happen any time soon. But the progress that has been made defies every single prediction the media “experts” made about this team. If 100 out of 100 predictions are proven wrong it’s either the result of a miracle or some damned smart decision making and I haven’t exactly seen the hand of God hovering over the practice court at the Cable Box.

by Ourdaywillcome on Apr 9, 2010 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I mean we're really one trade away from a top four seed.

Who knows if another Jack will fall into our laps and we get him for a deal?

Crazier things have happened. Like Jack coming to Charlotte.

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by maverick24 on Apr 9, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

One note about that 30 ranking:

The Bobcats have been at the bottom tier of that ranking forever. The ranking is based on us losing Felton, potentially losing Thomas, and the belief that the rest of the squad is going to be too busy booking their residency at nursing homes. Oh, and the fact that as a minority owner MJ was only a part-time presence and an ussumption is made that he’ll be a no-show as the actual owner.

It could go down just that way. I think it’s far more likely that some of those things will happen and some won’t. I don’t see us streaking up into powerhouse status – not even close. But I do see us continuing to make slow and steady progress. The trades the team pulled off this season were incredible and they were achieved at a time when every single “expert” in the press saw no way out of the Bobcats doldrums for at least 2 more seasons. Somehow the “incompetent” front office I heard about constantly when I first arrived at ROF got us into the playoffs by all but robbing other teams of some damned fine ballers while giving up next to nothing in return. You outlined those advantageous deals yourself earlier today. I have faith (based on the prescedent set by this season) that we’ll see some more of the same from the management next season.

by Ourdaywillcome on Apr 9, 2010 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, we've reached the limit then haven't we?

I don’t know what basis people use for determining what teams are powerhouses, and which ones aren’t, but I look at wins and losses more than anything. The Bobcats started 3-9 and have an opportunity to finish with 46 wins, and probably will. So, taking all of that into account, there is no reason for me to not believe that this team could’ve easily one 50 games had they been together the whole season. Right? Well, look at the standings. Neither Boston nor Atlanta have reached that point yet either. They are both at 49. Cleveland and Orlando have separated themselves from the rest of the pack, but after that playoff series against the Magic last year, who cares about how good the Cav’s regular season was? They need to win in the playoffs. The Magic have been pretty good too, but I need to see them over a 7 game series with Vince before I think they are ready. The Bobcats are far from the greatest on paper, but as a team, they are not that far from the “powerhouses” that have been established. They are probably just a training camp away. Losing Felton or Thomas (I doubt both will be gone) will hurt, but they are replaceable components in Larry’s system.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 9, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Robbing other teams of players?

I don’t think the Bobcats have made a single trade in the last two years that the other team in the deal would like to undo.
J-Rich and Dudley have played great for Phoenix.
Dallas has to be pleased to be rid of Diop.
The Lakers haven’t missed VladRad one bit, and Shannon Brown has contributed for them.
New Orleans wouldn’t take Chandler back.
Golden State desperately wanted to get rid of Jackson and wouldn’t want or need him back.
The Bulls are glad they got a future 1st round pick for Thomas while they could.

by ClipCat on Apr 9, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whatever

That’s why Okafor is being shopped.
And I’m certain Golden State was just thrilled to see Jackson lead a team into the playoffs in return for a guy who stepped off the plane and announced he’d decided to have season ending surgery.
And the Bulls are too busy fighting for their very playoff lives right now and watching the Bobcats continue to rise to be glad they traded away a guy that would have helped them clinch a berth by now.

My point is it cost us almost nothing (a future first round pick) to build this team into playoff contenders in less than one season.

by Ourdaywillcome on Apr 9, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll agree that a couple of these deals worked out well for both teams (Phoenix and GS deals), and I supported the Phoenix deal. But none of these trades was robbery. And the bad trades made over the last two years have cost us a great deal in players (Okafor and Dudley), draft picks (forgot to list the Ajinca deal) and opportunities (cap space).

by ClipCat on Apr 9, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bah. The Jackson deal WAS a robbery.

Regardless of whether or not he wanted to be there.

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by maverick24 on Apr 9, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Felton Bashing

DA wasn’t bashing Felton when he wrote that “Felton decided to stop shooting.” Obviously he meant that Felton stopped taking as many bad shots as in previous years, which is backed up by the fact that he’s taking fewer shots overall. I’m neither a Felton basher or supporter, but that’s exactly what I’ve always felt that Felton needed to do to improve. And anyone who is familiar with his game should be able to agree. You may want to read into the story that Felton’s being bashed so you have something to argue against, but that’s not what was written.

by ClipCat on Apr 9, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

See I think David has a valid point on certain a level.

I think he’s bummed about the lack of player development for G Henderson and D Brown. And to some extent I agree with him. I think the playoffs are a big step franchise wise and are to be celebrated. I think we’ll see just how effective the young players are next season, and certainly the decision by the franchise to field a summer league team is heartening to this end.

Weather we agree or disagree about the future, for now……GO BOBCATS!!!!!

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by Aisander D on Apr 8, 2010 11:34 AM EDT reply actions  

Henderson Brown Ajinca

Where we really differ is this: In my view, actual game time does not equate to player development. It is certainly a part of it, but there are many other aspects to how a player develops and whether or not they become solid NBA types.

You can’t tell me (and make me believe it) that Henderson Brown and Ajinca have all somehow not developed. Just because they’re not logging 10-15 a night in the rotation doesn’t man that they are not gaining valuable experience. And if a player is unable to get better by just working hard and practicing for/with a hall of fame coach, on a team that is coming into it’s own and getting better in its own right, then odds are they don’t have what it takes to be a key player at this level to begin with.

Playing the rooks is always a fan favorite, but the more prudent coaching decision is almost certainly LB’s method. The learning curve is slower but in the long run it probably is a better situation for both the team and the individual players. Henderson and Ajinca are younger than DBrown and all of them now have at least 1 full year of NBA experience under their belt before ever having to deal with the pressure of being a contributor.

I may be wrong on this, but i believe that ultimately LB has lots of confidence in Henderson & DB being able to progress into players sooner than later. Flip, Hughes, Graham; they all have one season inexpensive contracts. Stop gap measures to get the the team established as playoff material and by next year Henderson Brown & hopefully Ajinca & Augustin along with Tyrus Thomas will be part of one of the deepest and talented 2nd strings in the NBA. If that is the case, then the Cats really should a have a legitimate shot at a conference and/or NBA title.

by dudemanhey on Apr 8, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we’re talking about Henderson’s development perhaps he shouldn’t have refused his assignment to the D-league. That’s an ego play, and well egos don’t play with Larry.

by ASDCatfish on Apr 8, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw this too

No proof to back it up, but he said he’d rather play in practice and sit games than go to the D-League.

by drapht00 on Apr 8, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Never saw it in writing, but heard it directly from people in the organization.

by ASDCatfish on Apr 8, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Hendo said that, it may not be based on vanity like you suggests

but it definitely means that Hendo should be o.k. with being on the bench, which it seems like he is.

by and1droid on Apr 8, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not questioning your comment but

about a month ago I saw Larry Brown lament that he wished he’d decided to send Henderson to the D league along with Ajinca.
On the surface Brown’s comments seem contradictory to what you’re saying.
If both your statement about Henderson’s refusal AND Larry Brown’s statement are true it indicates to me that regardless of any player complaints, LB makes the final decision and ultimately opted to keep Henderson on the active squad.

by Ourdaywillcome on Apr 9, 2010 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea but Henderson could have talked LB out of it.

Maybe that’s not a realistic thought, but Maybe LB was lamenting that he wasn’t more forceful with his decision.

by and1droid on Apr 9, 2010 7:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Considering LB's trust in rookies.......

does it seem likely Hendo talked him out of anything besides throwing away his Mah Jong set?

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by Aisander D on Apr 9, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

proof? I vaguely recall the comment, but I remember the context being different as in, I wish Gerald had gone, not I wish I would have sent… Not disputing, just asking.

by ASDCatfish on Apr 9, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Contradictory post...

The whole thing laments the “future” of the team, but then randomly hates on the Chandler/Okafor trade. If we’re talking about the future, then this trade is a win. Tyson’s deal is a year shorter than Okafor’s. That’s $10 million less than what was on our roster before. $10 million is more than either of them deserve, so I’ll take the shorter contract. Plus I just love Tyson’s energy. Okafor was boring. Productively boring. After we beat the Bucks Tyson was going crazy with the fans. It seems like he ran the entire courtside row of seats giving high fives. The Hornets thrived on enthusiasm back in the day. I love it.

The Jax contract is a little scary because it’s so long and he’s already 32. Diop’s contract is horrendous and long.

by drapht00 on Apr 8, 2010 12:07 PM EDT reply actions  

It will never cease to amaze,

how much Diop’s contract is horrendously over bloated and that we actually brought him on abroad.

I weep at night thinking of such things.

by Roger, Roger on Apr 8, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

but...but he's our mvp!

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F*** Clay Bennett. And Charlotte thinks George Shinn is a douchebag.

by Ben Swanson on Apr 8, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Diop is without a doubt the worst paper the Bobcats hold.

If MJ can find a way to get us out of that contract I’ll hail him as a modern miracle worker.

by Ourdaywillcome on Apr 8, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

On what, the nickel slots?

That’s about the size of the marker they’ll give him when they see that contract. lol

by Ourdaywillcome on Apr 9, 2010 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve been consistent with this, I’m pretty sure. Okafor’s contract is no bargain, but it’s worth what he produces, and he produces a lot. Bigs and points are more difficult to acquire than swingmen, so when you get an above average one who produces to, or above, his contract, you keep him. We might get a better center than Okafor after next season, but for these two seasons with Chandler, if he stays, we’re paying him more than Okafor makes, and probably not getting his total production.

by David A. Arnott on Apr 8, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okafor is not worth that contract at all.

The Hornets even tried to shop him this year when they realized what they really got. It’s plenty of other young talents out there that can put up the numbers Okafor puts up and are on far more reasonable salaries, i.e. Luis Scola, David Lee, Andray Blatche, Marc Gasol, Carl Landry. I didn’t mind having Okafor around, but that contract is crazy for that dude. Tyson doesn’t deserve nowhere near as much money as he’s getting, but the thing is, we don’t have to live with it for long. He’s been doing well the past couple games, and maybe he can keep it up and stay healthy. The more he gets adjusted to the system, the better he’ll be. So we have a good center, on an expiring deal next year. Plenty of teams are going to be going after him in trade deals, on the fact that he has a huge contract coming off the books alone. So that gives us the option of keeping him, and resigning him for a lower salary or trading for an even better player. The Hornets have absolutely NO flexibility with Oak right now, and are out of the playoffs. (Guess the upgrade didn’t do enough). We got the better of the deal.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 8, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair, those guys you named are the bargains. The average is what it is because of the likes of guys of varying abilities who are way overpaid, like Diop, Al Harrington, Brand, Jermaine O’Neal, Kenyon Martin, Rasheed, and so on. Okafor is paid right about the fair market rate for what he produces, though I admit I probably think more highly of him than the average person who reads this site does.

by David A. Arnott on Apr 8, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

EO was the last “star” to sign before the economy collapsed. His contract cannot comprise nearly 20% of your salary cap if you hope to be successful and that’s exactly where it would be by the end. The team traded him before his contract became a complete albatross, but again, facts getting in the way.

by ASDCatfish on Apr 8, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

If what you wrote is a fact, then

How did the Bobcats make the playoffs while paying Chandler, Nazr and Diop more than $24 million this season? Now that’s an albatross for ya.

by ClipCat on Apr 9, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Diop is a loser contract for sure.

But that’s 3 players. Okafor is 1. Nazr gave us the best numbers of his career before he got injured and he’s coming back just in time. Chandler is playing beast-ball right now.
Nobody is going to make you enthusiastic about the Bobcats. But you aren’t going to convert anyone to cynicism either. I believe this is a good old fashioned stalemate.

by Ourdaywillcome on Apr 9, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d definitely prefer Okafor, a couple minimum salary backups and $11 million in cap space. My point was to show the inconsistancy between Catfish’s statement and the reality of this year’s team.

by ClipCat on Apr 9, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is no inconsistency in my statement. Both Nazr and Diop were on the roster before the trade, so they have no relevance to my point. EO’s contract is 3 years longer than TC’s with all 3 being at or above the price of TC’s contract. TC’s overpaid as well, but his contract ends next season. Much easier to get out from under an expiring contract than an undersized center making 12.5, 13.5, and 14.5 million when the cap is under $60 million. The move allows the franchise much more flexibility and with that ability to improve.

by ASDCatfish on Apr 9, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

The inconsistancy is that a team definitely can make the playoffs with one player earning 20% of the cap. Paying big money to star players is a winning strategy so long as you aren’t also paying big money to lousy players. The Bobcats made the playoffs this season with three mediocre centers earning nearly half of the current salary cap and representing over a third of the total payrole. Okafor’s contract was only a problem because of the terrible trades that saddled Charlotte with Nazr and Diop.

by ClipCat on Apr 9, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

The recession has caused teams not to gamble so much on players like that nowadays.

I have no idea what Detroit was thinking giving Charlie V that contract, but I think in the future, we’re going to see more of the haves and have nots as far as player salaries go, meaning players like LeBron, Kobe, and Wade will make millions, while essential pieces to the team like Matt Barnes and Flip Murray will have to probably play out the rest of their careers on one year contracts. The league is just now recovering from players like Brian Cardinal and Marko Jaric, but they are setting themselves up by giving Okafor and Luol Deng contracts like that.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 8, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

This

The owners are already seeking much shorter contracts (I think 3 year FA, 5 years re-signing). Rumor has it that the guys like LeBron, Wade etc. are just going to continue signing short contracts so they can always go where they want. The NBA is going to change a lot after the lockout.

by drapht00 on Apr 8, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is about to be a war between players and ownership

And the trigger for it is the over-inflated contracts and the way they conflict with the salary cap system.
NO TEAM in the NBA can afford to pay 1 player 20% of its cap and hope to contend without a willingness to pay the luxury tax. Either the big money – long term contracts become extinct or the entire cap system has to be completely retooled to allow the big paychecks to continue.

The players going Free Agent next season (with a couple of notable exceptions) are going to be in for a big surprise. I’m expecting the owners to make a statement by offering much less than the players are expecting to get. It will be the first big salvo in the war and both sides will quickly resort to name calling and accusations. This coming CBA negotiation will be based on what the market will bear and the owners will spend vast amounts of money trying to prove that they don’t have vast amounts of money.

by Ourdaywillcome on Apr 9, 2010 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah. I see that storm brewing as well. I think a lot of these big name

free agents are going to disappoint a lot of people, and sign right back with their clubs (Wade, LeBron.) However, I can picture a few jumping ship, like Bosh, Stoudemire, and Johnson.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 9, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ownership will win again

These are guys that make their money from other businesses and own teams as a hobby. For the vast majority of the players, this is their only source of income. The big names have all their movies and endorsements to fall back on, but that’s just the cream of the crop. The players are in no position to make demands. Players are notorious for wasting money. Some ridiculous number was reported about how soon players are bankrupt once their career ends.

by drapht00 on Apr 9, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup yup yup

Nobody blows money quicker than somebody that is suddenly handed a huge wad of it.

by Ourdaywillcome on Apr 9, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why is Okafor playing the fewest minutes of his career

when he’s on a team that has some of the worst front court depth in the league?

This may be for some unknown reason. Or it may be because he’s just not the guy you need in the game anyway. A double double is sexy. But he’s averaged about the least effective double double you can possibly have. Meka is an average player. No more.

by and1droid on Apr 8, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

+50

Drew Gooden can put up consistent double doubles. He’s a much better value than Oak. I don’t know why the Hornets really thought that trade would help.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 9, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

From ESPN - the 25 Worst Contracts

Take a close look at #3 on the list. Even if Chandler never played another game, he is a valuable expiring contract next year. Okafor will still saddle N.O. with 4 more years all all-star money for play that isn’t quite up to that level. The Chandler/Okafor trade looks to be another brilliant move by LB.

25. Jose Calderon — four years, $37.6m
24. Andrei Kirilenko — two years, $34.3m
23. Jason Richardson — two years, $27.7m
22. Corey Maggette — four years, $39.8m
21. Peja Stojakovic — two years, $27.6m
20. Kirk Hinrich — three years, $26.5m
19. Matt Carroll — four years, $16.4m
18. Rasheed Wallace — three years, $19m
17. Andres Nocioni — three years, $21m
16. Charlie Villanueva — five years, $40m
15. Jason Maxiell — four years, $20m
14. Luke Walton — four years, $21.5m
13. Francisco Garcia — four years, $23.2m
12. Hedo Turkoglu — five years, $53m
11. Baron Davis — four years, $53.7m
10. Boris Diaw — three years, $27m
9. Richard Hamilton — four years, $48.5m
8. Richard Jefferson — two years, $29m
7. Michael Redd — two years, $35.3m
6. Ben Gordon — five years, $55m
5. Desagana Diop — four years, $26.8m
4. Rashard Lewis — four years, $80.4m
3. Emeka Okafor — five years, $63m
2. Elton Brand — four years, $66m
1. Gilbert Arenas — five years, $96m

by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Apr 8, 2010 4:15 PM EDT reply actions  

He almost completely ignores defense in making that list. Hinrich, for instance, doesn’t deserve to be there, either.

by David A. Arnott on Apr 8, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which is why the Bulls have been trying to trade him for 3 years now and can’t get a buyer… Defensive guards are a dime a dozen. Matt Barnes, Dahntay Jones, Trevor Ariza, Ron Artest, Aaron Afflalo, Mikael Pietrus, Richard Mbah A Moute, Thabo Sefalosha…. These guys are all right around the MLE. You think Hinrich’s defense is >$3 million better than these other guys? You need to put personal bias (e.g. Okafor and Hinrich) aside if you’re going to analyze basketball. For what Hinrich brings to the table, his contract is insane. Especially with his inability to shoot the ball the past 2 seasons. I like Hinrich a lot, but I don’t like him $9 million a year.

by drapht00 on Apr 9, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

All-Defensive PGs who are talented enough offensively to swing to the SG and do it without complaint are hardly dime a dozen. None of the people you mentioned is a PG, whereas Hinrich is. He’s playing out of position so that Rose can play.

by David A. Arnott on Apr 9, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

All of the guys I named can guard anything from a 1-3 while playing the 2.

by drapht00 on Apr 9, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, Hinrich has made ONE All-Defensive 2nd team 3 years ago. Once. 3 years ago.

by drapht00 on Apr 9, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

This thread makes me think of Talladega Nights

If you ain’t first, you’re last!

Maybe it’s a little cynical to be ok not winning championships, but I’ve been an NC State fan my entire life so I’ve learned to adapt. The Bobcats won’t win it this year. They probably won’t even get out of the first round. But it’s been fun as hell watching them. You never know what’s going to happen. Beat the LeBrons? Check. Take down the Lake-Show? Check. Neutralize Dwight Howard? Check. Make the playoffs? Check.

Is anybody NOT happy having invested in this team this season? That’s really what matters. Now obviously, a championship would be the most fun. But a season is 82 games plus the playoffs. Plenty of fun to be had over that time. All I ask is for progress and some loyalty to the fans from ownership (eff George Shinn). I can’t wait to watch a Bobcats game on TNT and hear the announcers talk about this team. It’s just fun.

by drapht00 on Apr 8, 2010 6:28 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't think too many people learned anything from last year.

You get in the playoffs, pressure burst pipes. Winning over a 7 game stretch involves depth, coaching, and good defense. I’d take Orlando to go to the Finals again before I’d take Cleveland. Boston and Atlanta are out of the question.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Apr 8, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which is why people are handing it to them

Orlando is the deepest, most complete team in the NBA. They have a stingy defense, a plethora of shooters and a major (possible) X-Factor in Vin-sanity. They are head and shoulders above everyone else in the east in a 7 game series.

Cleveland has LeBron. He can’t be stopped by anyone but his own overconfidence in that ugly jumper of his.

by drapht00 on Apr 8, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I watched that for 30 seconds

I felt a little scared, I think someone is watching me now……………………..

The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience.

by dubzfan on Apr 9, 2010 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

JUST WANT TO ADD ABOUT FELTON

He’s having his best season ever, but it’s also a contract year. Not necessarily an indication that he’s better than ever as much as it could be that he’s just not been playing as hard as he could.

If we resign him and he continues to perform well, or if he goes somewhere else and performs well, when I say well I mean at least as good as he’s playing now, then you can say he’s a good player. Personally, I think he’s just playing harder for more money and then once he signs the contract that he wants (but probably doesn’t deserve), he’ll be back to the same Ray we all know and love. You know, the one who shoots the ball without any rebounding help, turns the ball over trying to make an unnecessary extra pass, plays defense about 1/2 the time, and calls WAY too many one on ones where he ends up getting blocked by the help defense.

by adamcawa on Apr 9, 2010 10:12 AM EDT reply actions  

I think the "new and improved" Felton is the result of Larry Brown's coaching.

There’s real manlove between the two of them. This season Ray changed the way he plays his position in some fundamental ways and it made him into a quality PG. I don’t see that changing. I don’t know how much he’ll be able to build on that under another coach, but I don’t see him backsliding. It would involve throwing out everything he’s learned. If he’s in Charlotte, Brown won’t stand for it. If he’s elsewhere and reverts he’s someone else’s headache, not ours.

by Ourdaywillcome on Apr 9, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Larry Brown is notorious for getting the best out of his point guards who WANT to learn how to play good PG ball. He doesn’t hold the ABA record in assists in a game for nothing.

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by maverick24 on Apr 9, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

LB got DJ off the draft hoping to replace Felton. But everyone loves (except David, and MP.. and adamcawa) Raymond, and Brown fell in love with Raymond’s intensity, versatility, and the willingness to learn.

There’s no question that Felton loves the game. I personally go to the gym he plays summer league at, and if you’re making millions, there’s no need to go to some local YMCA to play ball with bunch of peasants. If there was any contract issue last season, it was between his agent and the team.

And I don’t remember Felton making defensive plays 1/2 the time. You must have been watching D.J. Augustin.

by Shockers on Apr 10, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

ive been watching

the bobcats since their inception and felton since he was in college

by adamcawa on Apr 10, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me too

And I still think he was a great pick up in that 2005 nba draft. nothing we could’ve done since we took the next best guard available. and I’m glad he’s been paired up with Larry Brown.

And I still don’t remember Felton making defensive plays 1/2 the time. You must have been watching D.J. Augustin.

by Shockers on Apr 10, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

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