Reaction to Bobcats Loss to Clippers
Trying something different due to the late night combined with an early start at the day job. Straight from my RSS reader to you: links for the Clips game last night.
Charlotte Observer: In order to lose to the team like the Los Angeles Clippers these days, something bad has to happen. Something did. Stephen Jackson shot 1-of-16 from the field. And predictably he lost his temper. And then he fouled out.
DA -- Most of what I read around the Bobcats-osphere is positive about Jax, but from a coldly rational point of view, we've all got to admit something like this -- certainly not this bad, but similar -- was bound to happen. Shooting 1-16 from the field is exceptionally difficult to do for an NBA player, just because anyone left in the game to shoot that often has got to be pretty skilled in the first place, but it's not exactly unheard of for a gunner like Jackson to fall into that kind of a funk. Jax is a pro, and I'm sure he understands that he's got to move on, but next time the shots just aren't falling, I'd love to see him turn it up another notch on defense, leap just a little higher for rebounds, and make his passes just that much crisper, all to stay productive.
Bobcats Baseline: The fact that Jackson’s stinker came a day after his "tired from fatigue" comments doesn’t bode well for a team that has no real backup at the shooting guard position. Hopefully the coaches will stop rubber cementing Gerald Henderson to the bench from this point on. One positive note from this development: It did seem as if Jackson’s frustration came from his inability to help his teammates when they needed him, rather than some ego-fueled scorer’s rage. You like to see that in a player.
DA -- Free Gerald Henderson.
Queen City Hoops: Boris Diaw nearly had the Bobcats first ever triple double, finishing with 20, 9, and 9 in points, rebounds, and assists. He did it while shooting 8 of 13 from the field, but did have 5 turnovers. He seems to have a bit more life to him following the addition of Tyrus Thomas - and that is a very good thing for the Bobcats going forward.
DA -- Could this be a somewhat unexpected result of adding Tyrus Thomas? While Boris probably does need to rebound more, and I've advocated that he play more power forward-ish, that's mainly because it's the role he'd been thrust into with the addition of Jackson. However, with Free Money on board (background on that nickname for TT) to take on some rebounding/defense load, Diaw has more leeway to just be himself.
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Diaw's Rebounding
The addition of Ty Thomas does seem to have coincided with better play from Boris Diaw. But we’ll have to see if it’s a trend or just another peak in a streaky season. Charlotte as a team was still outrebounded 48-34 by the Clippers. His impressive rebound total could also be partly explained by playing next to Old Man Ratliff, who managed only 2 boards in 31 minutes.
Amen to getting Brown and Henderson into the game. It just seems so obvious. A less credentialed coach wouldn’t likely get away with playing his starters such heavy minutes for the whole season. I want the Cats to finish strong and make the playoffs. But if they fade down the stretch for the second season in a row, it should become obvious that Brown’s rotation is the problem, not the solution.
I wouldn't say Jackson's contributions were totally empty.
6 boards, 5 assists, 4 steals, and 2 blocks would have been enough to support a nice night out of an SG if he could have managed even 15 or so points.
Also, I hope we’re not going to use Jackson’s performance as the only excuse for this loss when everybody was fully willing to ignore Jamison’s nightmare game in our “dominant showing” against Cleveland.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 23, 2010 10:45 AM EST reply actions
Yeah, it wasn’t like Jax just took the game off. He just had a (very) off night and faced some tough, spirited defense from Baron, who matches up with him very well. In the end, the Clippers just outplayed the Bobcats last night. Gerald Wallace may have been the best individual player on the floor, but the Clips were the deeper and better team. The Bobcats need to forget about this game because the schedule only gets tougher. They’ll be the underdog each of the next 5 games.
It's been very interesting (and scary)...
to see our playoff chances having dropped from 95%-ish to below 75% in just a few days. One of the things this team has done well is avoid extended slumps. Well, I hope we’re not seeing the beginnings of one.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 23, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
hey I m a bulls fan
and I am glad you guys got Tyrus. Maybe now that he is with a coach who can actually teach he can reach his potential. I really feel that LB should start Tyrus and bring Diaw off the bench that way you guys can make up the points you lost with Flip and also strengthen your bench production.
You pointed out something I've been thinking about David.
You mention the arrival of the man of many nicks (TT, T2, multiple configurations of Taz, Free Money) coincides with the uptick in performance from Diaw. Others are wondering if this is a temporary upswing from Boris who has had more ups and downs in performance than a high-priced escort.
Well, I’m a big believer in synergy when it comes to team sports. When Stephen Jackson arrived the entire team dynamic changed – largerly for the better. I think we all agree that he became a catalyst for most on the team. The notable exceptions were Henderson (it’s hard to say if he’s doing a better job warming the bench since Jax’s arrival) and Diaw. Boris seemed to struggle to find a place to fit and perform around the roles the other starters fell into.
So two more players have arrived in town and the synergy and team dynamic has to change once again. While it seems that, at least initially, Boris is benefitting from the arrivals and getting into the flow with both Tyrus and Theo, I’m noticing something else that isn’t as exciting for Bobcats fans.
Once again, this is only an initial evaluation and it’s far to early to even begin to compile a permanent opinion, Stephen Jackson seems to have a problem. I don’t think it’s coincidental that Jackson’s fatigue comments arrived at virtually the same Theo and Tyrus did. I write from time to time about the psychology of the players – usually to the great mirth of people that don’t think I know what I’m talking about. But to paraphrase Silent Bob, what you don’t know about me would just about fill the Grand Canyon.
Anyway, Jackson has been the big dog since his arrival in Charlotte and a lot of ink has been spent praising him as the primary reason for the Bobcats’ succcesses this season. Now we have another player coming in to much the same fanfare, both positive and negative, that Jax received several months ago. Thomas is a trouble player. He is SO good, but he has an attitude. Other players love him but his coach couldn’t control him blah blah blah. In short order Jackson established himself with his teammates and earned the respect of Coach Brown. Now Thomas is getting all the same exact attention and notice from the team, the media, and the fans, that was once his alone. If you’re hearing the old Eagles tune, “New Kid in Town” in the back of your mind, then you’re catching what I’m saying. If Jax is going to start acting out, this is historically how it happens. First we get (with apologies for sniping David’s Felton analogy from earlier in the season) “bad Jax” on the court. His play get erratic, he starts mouthing off at the refs with more intensity and anger than usual, and he starts racking up the technicals as a result. Next, he complains to the press about the way coach is using him. After that comes the oncourt flare-up with teammates and the coach during games. Finally, we have the full force circus that made him Mr. Gethimouttahere in his last location.
Again, it’s WAY to early to say if this is what’s happening. But in the 2 games since Theo and Tyrus arrived and became the “new big thing” in town, we’ve had examples of “Bad Jax.” He fumbled a dribble late in the game on Saturday that cost us the win. Then last night he spent the night shooting like Ray Charles, fouling like a drunken Chandler, and then finally fouling out in true “Bad Jax” fashion. If you didn’t see the game you missed his refusal to leave the court after the sixth foul and Brown all but having to come out on the court and pull Jackson to the bench by his ear. It wasn’t pretty and it was the first time he’s shown real signs of the temper troubles that have haunted him since before he put on a Dubs uniform.
Two games is not enough to pass judgement on. But it is enough to send up a red flag. This bears watching – and closely. At the very least, the honeymoon may be over with Stephen Jackson. At worst, we know from his past that he has the capacity to blow a team apart just as quickly as he can pull one together around him.
by Ourdaywillcome on Feb 23, 2010 1:22 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Just give it some time
Anytime you add new players and lose players who play significant minutes, the team needs time to adjust. Tyrus is playing well. JAX had a bad game after scoring 35 the previous game. Tyrus is an upgrade to Flip, but we are missing what Flip did for the team. This road trip will be rough, but Bobcats should be OK once back home.
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Feb 23, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
"First real signs of temper troubles?"
Please. Jackson bitches and moans every time he thinks he’s gotten a bad call made against him.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 23, 2010 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
But not like he has been during the past 2 games...
But the losing like we have since the break just doesn’t make good sense. We have upgraded and something just doesn’t add up. Jax may be using psychology of some sort to push everyone to play like his 35pt performance was. Remember earlier in the season when Jax and Crash were carrying the “losing” team…a comment was made about everyone not pulling their weight…then Crash sat out a game, then our winning ways began…
Could this be that with Jax as the “tired” one?
by andrewlail76 on Feb 24, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
let me say this about this game
The clippers are in no way a great team. But when their best players are their point guard (who we contained well) and their center (who we did absolutely nothing in containing) and we did not really have a defensive force in the center, I am not shocked we lost the game. other than jax making a brick house that game, the real problem was lack of rebounding. Just watching the game and seeing how often the clips just went and got rebounds was rather sad seeing we have a top 10 NBA rebounder on the team. For the love of god please give some of ratliff’s minutes to thomas. I’ll take the very minor decrease in defense for the upgrade in offense (more like opening up the lane so GW and Jax can drive).
The top 10 rebounder thing is kind of a misnomer.
Wallace is a great rebounder for his size and position, sure, but one of the reasons his numbers are so high this year is because the rest of the team is so awful in the department.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 23, 2010 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
Big man injuries don't hurt [Wallace's rebounding stats] either
A lack of a truly healthy center allows Gerald to pull down numerous rebounds over Boris playing the undersized center. For an example, against the Timberwolves. Nazr pulled down 20 rebounds as compared to Wallace’s nine. And that was against Al Jefferson and Kevin Love who both average around 10 a game.
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Yeah, but let's not pretend this is something new.
Even when Chandler and Mohammed were both healthy, Wallace was still putting up ridiculous rebounding numbers.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 24, 2010 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
I don't really believe Chandler was healthy towards the beginning of the year
and Nazr was getting pretty inconsistent minutes. Not to say you’re wrong though, because this team’s big men certainly aren’t rebounding wonders
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by Ben Swanson on Feb 24, 2010 12:49 AM EST up reply actions
give me a rebounding metric that accounts for "unhealthy centers" and "lack of a true center"
then I will stop saying wallace is a top 10 rebounder. Every other person considered a good rebounder is so because they ARE a center, save a few. Wallace is a top 10 rebounder this season because he is in the top 10 of rebounding. Please show me a stat that says otherwise.
Who said he wasn't?
I simply said it was a misnomer given he was never able to do that when we had a legit center here in Okafor. Really, what else has changed? Do you think Wallace is really “hitting the boards harder” in some demonstrable fashion?
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 24, 2010 2:21 AM EST up reply actions
When was Chandler healthy?
and productive?
by andrewlail76 on Feb 24, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
He was "healthy" for the first couple months of the season.
Productive is another matter, and that’s kind of the point.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 24, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Well it's nice to say "Free Gerald Henderson"
but he is done for the season. He’s worthless we all know it. We may as well cut him and leave an empty roster space.
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I say cut him and get the Wolves to drop Darko Milicic so we can sign him
As I always say, “nothing like getting underwhelming big men at the cost of promising young talent!”
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Boom Roasted.
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it will help get the Howl-meter higher than ever before
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Play The Kids
Lb is one selfish SOB! He’s gonna blow this thing at getting Charlotte in the playoffs for the first time. Talk about needing a SG, what the hell did they draft Gerald Henderson for. This writer talks about not trusting players on the bench, if hes such a great coach, then play the damn kids. How eles are they gonna get experience. The Bobcats are not playing for a Championship. LB coaches like he this is the Conference Finals. Play more than 8 guys and he will began to get better results from his starters. 48 to 45 mpg is ridiculus for Wallace and Jackson. At this point in the season, Henderson has lost most of his mojo, who’s fault is that? That dummy, LB. Give Henderson a shot, what do you have to lose. At the rate he’s playin SJ & GW, something bad happening is inevitable.
by LBhater on Feb 23, 2010 9:56 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
What do we have to lose at this point by playing Hendo?
maybe a playoff spot? Hendo needs some time in the D-league.
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Feb 24, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
A Playoff Spot
A Playoff spot !!! That’s all you want, A Playoff Spot. Like so many other Bobcat fans, don’t short change yourself. Don’t be led to believe that a first round exit is something to look forward to. Demand more. DEMAND A TEAM. Having a deep bench has so many more options. Who cares who lost in the first round of the playoffs. You may be right about the D-League for Henderson to get his MOJO back, but talent wise, he can play on this damn team!
Procton? Is this you with a different alias that is much angrier?
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by Ben Swanson on Feb 24, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
I hate to say this...
but I’d rather see us get stronger as a team as well. Though a playoff appearance would be nice this season, how excited would we be to be eliminated in the first round, with none of our young talent developed. I’d like to see some Hendo…I’d like to see some Brown. I’d like to see the chance for a second string to be able to come in and hold their own and not look like a bunch of goof balls that their primary goal is to run the clock down. I’ve seen our bench come in and it looks like we picked 5 lucky fans to come in and run the clock out. You don’t build a playoff team in a year. It takes time. LB has been working with this core group…oh wait, we haven’t had a solid core yet. Scratch that statement.
Let’s make our guys better. By next season, we would be talking about more than a 1st round ass whipping. We’d be talking about past the 1st round…possibly a 2nd round steal…
I want to talk about having a solid team…not what we have now.
by andrewlail76 on Feb 24, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Yes.
This has been my point all along. Making the playoffs is nice. You get at least two (likely) home sellouts and a few nationally televised games (unless, of course, they’re on NBATV.) However, if we blow our wad to do that and flame out in four or five games without any thought or effort put forth towards building this team for the future (and as I’ve also said, this isn’t exactly Brown’s concern, since I see him here through next year at most and no longer), what have we really accomplished?
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 24, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
For once (maye twice?) I agree with you.
And this is why I post in nearly ever pre-game and post game thread, “Would really be nice to see (have seen) some Gerald Henderson and Derrick Brown during this game.”
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I want my Hendo...
and I love that others are using my Hendo pic…it brought a tear to my eye
by andrewlail76 on Feb 24, 2010 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
Actually I've been pushing for reaching the Eastern Conference Finals
How is playing Hendo going to get us to the finals this year, next year, or five years from now? Even if he improves his game, he would be role player. He may evolve into a lesser Raja Bell or Jared Dudley.
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Feb 24, 2010 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think that's a valid.
Henderson may very well turn into a borderline All-star caliber player, but we don’t know yet. Not every valuable player in the league came in as a sure thing, a lot of guys got opportunities and developed into solid, even spectacular players. So let’s not write him off yet.
Also I don’t think that playing for anything less than a Championship is a good goal. Obviously you want to build something and not be a continual doormat year in and year out, but I don’t think that playing nothing but veteran players and neglecting to develop our drafted talent is a good tact. If you want to win Championships, and hell even get out of the first round of the playoffs, you need to grow your own players. The most successful franchises in the history of the NBA have been those that take young guys and give them opportunities and grow them into long-term, excellent players. (See: Lakers, Spurs, Pistons, etc….)
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I'd like to see Hendo prove himself as a borderline D-league All-Star first
I’m not writing him off, but I don’t think he is the key to increasing our chances for a deep playoff run now or in the future.
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Feb 25, 2010 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
Really?
Would you have demanded that out of Rajon Rondo? Glen Davis? Tony Parker? Just checking.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 26, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
What?
We’re not going to reach the second round, much less the Conference Finals. And how the hell do you know what Henderson will or will not evolve into? He is an above-average on the ball defender, a good rebounder for his size, and had one of the best and most well-developed midrange games in this year’s draft class. Raja Bell was far less accomplished and skilled when he entered the league.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
Thank you
I won’t pass jusdgement on anyone until I can SEE what they can do in the NBA.
Say we take Derrick Brown at face value…
2nd rounder…bury him on the bench.
No, he actually looks like a guy that I think could come off the bench right now and give starters a rest…and with increased PT…become a real solid bench guy…and possible starter for some NBA teams. That will mostly depend on his ability to add size and strength to play PF, and how his overall “game” improves with that
I wouldn’t write Hendo off. It ain’t like he was a Duke scrub…and wasn’t a 1st round pick for no reason.
by andrewlail76 on Feb 25, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
You seem to know exactly what Hendo will evolve into
Sorry that my opinion differed.
by Ft.Mill Bobcat on Feb 25, 2010 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
That wasn't MY claim
And I’m not arguing
by andrewlail76 on Feb 25, 2010 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
But I just saw where he #2 pick was D-leagued...
SO I understand to an extent your argument
by andrewlail76 on Feb 25, 2010 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
We should note, however...
that the vast majority of draft experts said that Thabeet was a bigtime long-term project who wasn’t ready to contribute in much of any way at all. Henderson was viewed as a player who was ready to step in for 10-15 MPG while playing solid defense and not screwing things up too much on the other end if he played within himself.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 26, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
I certainly didn't make that claim at all.
But he will certainly help us more by playing than by, you know, not playing.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 26, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
LB MUST GO!
AMEN !!! Finally I hear something worth discussing on this board. If Jordan is not successful in buying this team, look forward to watching the LB show again. If this man can’t win with that Olympic team that he had, what is he going to do with this team. LB is outdated, this slow-ball crap that he coaches is something in the past. You need to put 2 units on the floor and run., every opportunity(made or missed shots, push-it). Hell, you got 24 seconds, if nothings there, call a play with 18 seconds remaining. Oh no, not LB, if he can’t call a play or has control of every possession he’d have a heart attack. Let the players play, this is a case of over coaching. Players win games. never seen a true coach make a pass or a jumper. Aisander D, no other NBA team in history has won a championship by changing pieces the way LB does it. Build a team, mix in the young guys(energy) with the vets, play you starters 35 mpg(tops), keep them fresh and add pieces as you go. This is not the formula to win Championships, this is a formula for a 41-41 season at the best.
Wrong.
If Jordan doesn’t get the team, Brown is as good as gone. Shows you where his loyalty lies.
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by MichaelProcton on Feb 25, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
So what's the word?
Air Cats or Postolos Pussycats?
by andrewlail76 on Feb 25, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
My bad Procton
I meant to say that if Jordan get the team, LB would be here for only one more year. THAT’s A fact !!!

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